arms

[icy mulch]

And most of us are crazy.

[tacit crystal]

its fine because ^

[brittle fiber]

Honestly as a man if your thighs and glutes are small you’re doing something wrong

[boreal quartz]

all my muscle went into the ball

😔

[strange perch]

good idea is a good idea

[latent moss]

[strange perch]

Karloball

[slow saddle]

Mount team + texture team have been cookin

[buoyant cargo]

With this build: Do we spam execute below 20% and press OP without rage or is MS worth bc of battlelord and exhilarating blows?

[halcyon valve]

You dont execute at all

[sweet kindle]

Merry Xmas everyone! Would you rather pick the Rasha'nan HC back or a Mythic Shoulders that i can upgrade to tier set? I dont mythic raid, but i do +10 keys.

[dim basalt]

Mythic shoulders

[quaint otter]

I mean why would u ever consider a 626 back over 639 shoulders 🤔

[minor gust]

Give back spell reflect on intervene. Fuck the pvpers

[dire torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-6163789505474400991

But seriously why they put the change both in pvp and pve instead change them only in pvp

If I make sense

[minor gust]

because blizz always forgets they can do pvp modifiers only

[dim basalt]

Lots of people overestimate the effects

[slow saddle]

Yes u execute

Instead of slam

If u col exe still gives stacks

[quaint otter]

Oh insane 2000 avoidance proc

[dire torrent]

Sometimes, when I don't have a button to press, I use slam, but my basic rotation is thunder c > overpower > cleave > mk is that ok ?

[dire torrent]

I don't use skull on m+ with colossus

[minor gust]

if you dont thats fine

[dire torrent]

I used the point for improve strikes

[minor gust]

thats just ur aoe priority as col

[dire torrent]

I use skull on slayer but that build is very single target

My full rotation on m+ is charge > avatar > thunder> raveger > dragon roar and just the basic rotation with sweeping strikes

[minor gust]

thats not a great opener its pretty out of order

[dire torrent]

Sometimes I use thunder > roar to avatar combo

I'm trying combo's to see what works out

[minor gust]

this works just delay demolish till 10 stacks

instead of double op put an MS in for fast 10 stack demolish

[naive sage]

Charge
Rend
Roar
Avatar + colossus
Bladestorm (on slayer you don’t use Ravager)
Mortal strike
Skullsplitter
Normal prio

[dire torrent]

U use normal colossus smash I use warbreaker

[minor gust]

for M+ no ignore SKS and imagine CS is WB

[slow saddle]

And hokd rac and avatar

For hmm id say 5 globals

So avatar + rav overlaps big col

[minor gust]

charge > TC > cleave > Roar> SS > Rav > Ava + WB > cleave/MS till 10 stacks > demolish

[dire torrent]

Hmm I will try it 2

Ty for your time 🙂

[minor gust]

oops forgot sweeping

idk I dont like holding rav for SS

[slow saddle]

Thats early rav id say u wont have, col + rav up samd time

[minor gust]

you hold rav so long

[slow saddle]

I like the 10m cleave

But playstyle sure is bad

[minor gust]

you still get a colaterall with ava and demolish buff

[slow saddle]

I advocate removing the capstone all togwther

[minor gust]

with this opener

[slow saddle]

But not 50% more dmg buff

[dire torrent]

In my head I hold them back to throw out the cheap dmg and use my big cds

[slow saddle]

Which is quite big

[dire torrent]

Is slayer also good in high m+ I use sometimes but my dps is a bit low

I prefer colossus because I'm doing more dmg and the 10 stack demolish is noice on bosses and big trash pulls

[minor gust]

nah that feels awful not worth to hold rav that long

doing on dummys

[slow saddle]

Rav prob is though

Its 5/6 globals

Is all

[icy mulch]

While you don't need to hold ravager till SS falls off, it is worth it to delay so you have it up when Collateral is active.

[slow saddle]

It slaps at least

In a 10 or lower just send pull

12 + hold

[icy mulch]

With all the testing I did on training dummies and in some keys, it's a big difference.

It's just such a degen playstyle.

[minor gust]

im getting very lil difference so far

fat cleave does look nice tho

[brittle fiber]

do you have one like this for slayer or is colossus doing better in keys atm

just did a m+10 at 1million dps overall @ 620 :/

ty

[minor gust]

easier to see

[brittle fiber]

where is this from?

[minor gust]

Tmys discord Warbreaker

[dire torrent]

Colossus is easy to to show me your talent tree ?

[minor gust]

they add pictures which makes it easier to see for some people

[brittle fiber]

you recommend colossus or slayer?

i guess your name is colossus slot machine

[minor gust]

both are good and have their place

whats more fun to you. and what do you want in your grp

do you want big aoe play colossus do you want more ST in your grp play slayer

[dire torrent]

I believe colossus is better at m plus but get it with caution because I suck at the game goatsman

[naive sage]

I realized I don’t like playing around making the biggest cleave possible

Personally I like slayer more

Slayer with s3 DF tier set would be goated

[boreal quartz]

Truly unfortunate

[minor gust]

sorry we dont get interesting stuff for arms

we get talents split in half

looking at you strength of arms

[boreal quartz]

SoA vs strong dn

Was cool

[naive sage]

They are happy with how warrior is now

[steep osprey]

We need S3 DF tier set

[boreal quartz]

Like df dn

[minor gust]

insane to think this is worth a talent point

[boreal quartz]

Was fucking OBSCENE

[minor gust]

yeah dn needed nerfs

[steep osprey]

Not this much but yeah

[boreal quartz]

Which wad ok and correct

[slow saddle]

Df3 should be a talent po8nt

[brittle fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/black-spiderman-spectacular-spider-man-venom-symbiote-spiderman-gif-25981988

[boreal quartz]

Bro dn was doing same dam as cleave

Ignoring op and mp

That shit was UNFAIR as fuck

[steep osprey]

Since Havoc gets s3 tier set as talent

it's our time

[minor gust]

lol

nah

[brittle fiber]

oh DN is a spell

i thought it was a bait

[minor gust]

their gonna cut EB in half

[slow saddle]

Dn was insane!

[minor gust]

1 for MS 1 for cleave

and then rework an awesome talent to being useless dogshit like SOS

[slow saddle]

The fact that sd procs doesnt count towards am
..

Is just disgusting

[minor gust]

doesnt count towards tom aswell

[brittle fiber]

can't wait for the gargalon artifact power from Strom Kar to come back

[slow saddle]

Iknow

[minor gust]

unfortunatly we are in a good place

so we dont get nice things

[slow saddle]

If we are fury we are

Arms needs god

[minor gust]

arms needs to be nuked

reworked to look and sound like POE2 warrior

tyvm

[slow saddle]

Revert to legion arms

Fixxed

[steep osprey]

My main issues are rage economy during execute

[slow saddle]

Nah

Thats a tiny issud

[naive sage]

I liked it tbh
Wasn’t it similar in SL? Especially s1

[slow saddle]

At least in slayer no issues

[steep osprey]

Some talents should be baseline or higher up

like Critical Thinking

[slow saddle]

I mean idont think so

Not until u remove juggernaut

Its a clear talent branch atm

[steep osprey]

Remove Jug and buff Execute

[slow saddle]

100%

[minor gust]

True and real

[steep osprey]

Actually, maybe make Jugg reduce the rage of Execute per cast

idk

[minor gust]

The execute video has ruined arms

[slow saddle]

Yup

[minor gust]

Wasn't even arms in the video once again arms suffers for furys sins

[slow saddle]

But for real, arms is so easy to fix from a gameplay style

Make mp gone or 1 stack. Buff ms // cleave op accordingly

Remove either col or ravagers interaction with cleave

Replace juggernaut, with season 3 tier

[dire torrent]

I say if the made to generate more rage and to be 20 rage the MS than 30 it would be a nice change for me

[slow saddle]

Fix warlords torment to actually work with cs again

[naive sage]

Real

[minor gust]

I don't mind execute fantasy and the good feeling you get from rising to top of the meters, because boss is in execute range, so it feels like go time. But Jugg ain't it

[dire torrent]

Anyway goodnight boys and girls have a nice new year

[minor gust]

Ik some ppl hate execute fantasy because we have to be tuned around it but is what it is in my mind

[slow saddle]

Its our niche

Thats fine, we just need to be better at it

Or well less clunky

[minor gust]

Then you get ppl like ohhh I can't parse boss dies to fast I'm bottom meters

[slow saddle]

Iftk makes 35% feel good

[quaint otter]

No. Execute just bad rn

It was great in s3

[slow saddle]

Who cares

Thats hc parsers

In mythic realisticly on prog u slap

[minor gust]

I don't I just said I like that 35% niche but I can see why ppl hate

[slow saddle]

The hate was prob more coz of jugger stacks

If u have 15 stacks into execute on hc it feels great

Now if u have 0 boss prob gone b4 we slap

To me thats the issue

[minor gust]

Yeah

Jugg is a big issue

[naive sage]

Crits provide 2 stacks instead
Easy fix

[minor gust]

Was gonna say change jugg to 5 stacks and buff the dmg per stack but Slayer could prob keep that up the whole fight

[steep osprey]

I think MP is fine

there should be some sort of reset mechanic interactivity

for some excitement

using MS on cd isn't exciting

[minor gust]

We do have reset mechanics tho

We just don't take the talents

[naive sage]

In key you do I think?

[minor gust]

Which is the issue why arms especially Slayer feels so fucking bland

[steep osprey]

I don't like the fact that colossus can't use execute at all in m+

because of the shitty rage economy

[minor gust]

Col keys yeah you can but never in raid or as slayer

[steep osprey]

I wanna use execute

there shouldn't be a punishment for wanting to use exeecute

so much rage

[minor gust]

its fine with critical thinking as colossus which begs the question why not just make the exe refund part baseline into exe

[steep osprey]

yep exaclty

[brittle fiber]

is there a particular reason why we cast cleave on opener before blade storm for deep wounds when blade storm procs it anyways

for aoe ^

[halcyon valve]

guessing because cleave applies deep wounds and can trigger reap the storm, both of which make bladestorm do more damage from the first damage tick?

[minor gust]

BS applies DW before the dmg

you cleave intially for the roar dot

[brittle fiber]

Warbreaker also applies DW

[minor gust]

since your not bladestorming right away

Slayer doesnt usually take warbreaker in keys

[brittle fiber]

Imma have to do some revising tomorrow

Coming back to arms since the start of dragonflight

[quaint otter]

Arms was nuts in df...

[brittle fiber]

Yea…

Getting annoyed with monk so tryna figure something else to play

[minor gust]

arms had a whole mess of issues in DF but it was more fun to play

[quasi torrent]

arms fucking sucked in DF
but it just sucks even worse now

[minor gust]

well yeah comparing arms to when it was peak DF blows but compared to TWW I rather just play DF arms again

[hazy flower]

Make s3 tier a talent

[rare kite]

"we feel that warriors are in a good place overall"

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-tweaking-animatronic-tweaking-scary-robot-tweaking-meme-gif-5488640650850926689

[quaint otter]

Monk is depressing...

[brittle fiber]

Im currently juggling between rogue DH or warrior

[quaint otter]

Why every spec who gets rework going broken and monk went shit

Sub feels ok to play but numbers not that big

Surv should be cool atm

[paper gulch]

Merry christmas to all my fellow ragemonsters

[balmy kindle]

sub does a ton of damage

but it has ALOt of downtime

[brittle fiber]

Outlaw and sub’s tier sets look decent for next season

Havoc’s set seems eh

We’ll have to see in PTR

[slow saddle]

What if arms set was 15% per stack?

So it hit reset faster?

Less rng, still sad ofc

[quaint otter]

A set isn't the main damage source so i wouldn't care really

[slow saddle]

Well atm its vert volatile

Id prefer less volatile

[brittle fiber]

More so fun of set and comparative class performance tho

[icy mulch]

I hope the set is so bad we don't even bother with it.

[slow saddle]

Then they 100% buff it

[shadow ibex]

There's a world where set bonus is good and we go back to sl exe

Where exe is rage drop and we sending ms on CD and reset

Only had 1 charge of OP in sl tho

So just never munched it

[slow saddle]

2 charge is ok, just remove mp!!!

[shadow ibex]

No MS resets either back then

[slow saddle]

Just exe-exe-ms

All da way

[shadow ibex]

If it played as if EP didn't exist and just cool when you got x1 or 2 stacks

That would be close to SL ish

[slow saddle]

I know

Sl was ok, in season 2 onwards

I never disliked borrowed power, but it was very unpopular

Also it deffo put to much strain on em trying to make something brand new all the time

[shadow ibex]

I wouldn't mind if exe was just mashing ms and OP cuz the reduced CD on it and bl/eb

With exe whenever other 2 aren't available

That's just SL really

[slow saddle]

True

I still think sl was better play for arms

[naive sage]

My opinion on DF vs TWW arms is the following: this 1st TWW season was the one and only I mained another char since I started playing wow

[brittle fiber]

Bfa arms 🙂

[naive sage]

The fact is, as I said before I am too tired to keep struggling to get invited in pug, even for a lower key and playing meta specs is the best option for this reason only

[quaint otter]

Well had to reroll in df cuz glowstick didnt drop

[shadow ibex]

It's been the same basic shit since bfa

Spec is ass

[naive sage]

Still the thing that bothers me the most is the (bad) opinion people have on it

I could cope with its gameplay problems

If I didn’t have to wait 45min to get invited for a random key

[shadow ibex]

I've never had a problem but only do weekly 10 and 11s for vault

But I get invited to most any grp I apply too and I'm picky cuz I look for monks or shaman

[minor gust]

pugging issue is a massive issue that has a lot more to it than just whats meta

[tough tangle]

I enjoyed how arms played during legion in tomb or Antorus

[latent silo]

And besides maybe one to two classes meta changes so much

But for example you play priest and don’t mind healing then you had a class that been kinda meta from s3 of sl to now

But in that time frame warrior hasn’t been considered a meta pick and it something they need to look at

[naive sage]

Don’t want to repeat myself but
I can’t remember a single BTM edition which didn’t feature arms warrior

[latent silo]

Yeah bottom line is it’s due for a tune up or rework

[sullen moat]

hmm. looks like the skipper gem have had some change sneaked in? i have been hitting a dummy to see how much i get those sweet overlaps with stats and in 15 mins i did not see any overlaps. that can't be rigth

[rare kite]

everyone did... then blizzard made bfa arms and after this expansion we will have had that for 8 fucking years

[slow saddle]

Hmm key invites are more down to lack of tanks. So way less keys run?

[sullen moat]

there are no tanks

[slow saddle]

Yeah coz being tank is harder

Than before

[naive sage]

Understandable, I could never, it’s just not my cup of tea

[sullen moat]

i kinda liked beeing tank. but this season is meh

[slow saddle]

Exactly

Was chill in 10s

Now its never truly chill

Unless u can play

So actually tanking is on the level of playing dps well now

[untold trench]

10s are chill if your group does the work - keys atm even the low ones can go south fast if people don't interupt and stop

Tank feels more dependent on DPS doing their things right, than themselves.

[slow saddle]

Tbh if stops interrupted

It would be golden again

[untold trench]

"But that would be too strong at the 0.1% level! "

[slow saddle]

Just make em stun immune fastet

If all u could do was 3 stop

Then the longer they lived the mpre kicks mattered

[untold trench]

I honestly don't mind if interupting is easy to get done. Just lets me play and have fun, it a lot more chill

[sullen moat]

ye. would be nice with alittle more chill

[slow saddle]

Coz it changes nothing in organised grps

But fucks pugs so badly

[sweet kindle]

what discord is that?

[quasi torrent]

arms ability name EWWW

[shadow ibex]

Warbringer

[hushed pine]

Gross

[woven wasp]

warbringer

[shadow ibex]

Warbringer

[gaunt owl]

Warbringer

[steep osprey]

Warbinger

[naive sage]

The bringer of war

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-coffin-coffin-dance-funeral-funny-farewell-gif-16737844

Gone but not forgotten.

[halcyon valve]

Warbricker

[soft sigil]

Has anyone tested the Windsinger procs from Legendary Skipper? I think at least some of them are bugged. When I proc haste from it I get way more (~1650 more stats) than if I proc crit or mastery. Don't have the gear setup to test vers unfortunately. CC: @smoky kayak ? Apologies for the holiday ping. Attaching some screenshots to show the tooltips (and the tooltips are correct, checked that too)

[shadow ibex]

I'm really sad no one with a big internet presence never called them out on doing this twice

Especially after we are happy with warrior

Not happy enough to learn the names of talents tho

[naive sage]

Tried a key as slayer without deft experience

Huge no no

[weak rain]

Wow, does fierce followthrough and torment(over uproar) sim better than opportunist and uproar for some?

on st

[boreal quartz]

ff is better if u have enough crit ye

[weak rain]

some top logs on kyveza/sikran run torment over uproar too

[shadow ibex]

Makes your 90 sec dmg profile better I guess

[boreal quartz]

it does sim better for me too

im the rare tormet + opp

[naive sage]

What about m+?

I just prefer slayer idk

[shadow ibex]

slayer aoe makes me wanna die

idk i havent anything but colossus in m+ for months now

with court prog been a cpl weeks since i even played slayer period

buff fatality so i dont have to run ravager and im happy with next tier. been playing col in raid so much at this point

[icy mulch]

Slayer seems to be all of one crap of the other. So pick either aoe or st.

[shadow ibex]

give a fatality rework that lets colossus run p much DF talents

aka just throw number at it and/or also affect MS sub 30% so it does something then too

hasted ppm MS also does X% AP bleed dmg sub 30

(so it gets boostdd by BB and arterial )

[naive sage]

As I said, I don’t like making my gameplay work around getting the biggest cleave possible

Which is cool I mean 25m cleave is fun

But the buildup is irritating to me

[shadow ibex]

I don't think colossus is about that just something u can do

[livid cloak]

^ agree with this

man i am trying to gear an alt

these suck

they are the worst idea

[tacit crystal]

🙂

i forgor to respond to you

[old urchin]

I finally managed to break 2 mil. 11 NW.

[quaint otter]

[hushed pine]

[plucky minnow]

So sorry if this is a stupid question... Last time I played warrior was S3 dragonflight. And I'm on the dummies after levelling this alt. I destinctly remember warrior cooldowns lining up very nicely? now this could just be low stats but my cd's on dummies are very desynced it seems. Is taht just ILVL?

[dull siren]

Just don't AoE

[hushed pine]

Our cools are desynced like that

[plucky minnow]

Oh, damn. so its not the nice 30 second warbreaker into 1 min avatar + bladestorm anymore?

[latent moss]

wise words pauck...

[brittle fiber]

How do we access your cute discord that has infographics

[hushed pine]

30 sec Warbreaker and Bladestorm, yes, if you play Slayer, since you get BS quite often. But no Avatar after Bladestorming or BS when using Avatar

[plucky minnow]

This is actually kinda depressing. NGL I always thought the cd's always lining up like that was extremely fun.

So reading the guides (this is an alt so I have to relearn a lot lol) the guide says to only push execute at 2 stacks of sudden death? why is that instead of just whenever possible if you have the ability to?

[hushed pine]

Execute is not very strong by itself. Your priority is to press it when target has 2 or 3 stacks of Marked by Execution (assuming you're playing Slayer) to benefit from the higher crit chance and damage.

[plucky minnow]

Oh I was just reeding tooltips and it seemed like it was the highest

but I mean I get waiting for more marked by execution, but the guide specifically says sudden death

well "...or 2 stacks of sudden death"

[hushed pine]

I reckon that's for getting stacks of Imminent Demise + Executioner's Precision.

Imminent Demise makes your BS hit extra multiple times depending on stacks, and that's where most of your damage comes from

So I'd say, use when available, but prioritize Sudden Death for when there's stacks of MFE (Marked for Execution) on the target

[brittle fiber]

Tbh i think it’s just op having such a high priority now ruining the cd lining. I dont ever remember pressing op as much as we have to now

[plucky minnow]

Is thats what is making the CD lining up bad?

at least from what I remember in DF s3 and what the PVP video said to do the rotation was like Mortal strike into OP into thunderclap and back across

and everything lined up really nice

[brittle fiber]

would probably have to ask someone who’s played it longer because i stopped at s1 DF starting in legion

Youre right that it definitely felt better but yea it feels really shit to me

[plucky minnow]

I mean I know they changed the rage spent per CDR from Anger management

and then reduced rage costs so IDK how that washed out

[hushed pine]

The problem imo is Martial Prowess. We're too dependant on it.

We wouldn't be pressing op as much because of it. Sure, filler, but imagine giving it the taste for blood treatment

That'd make Rend worth keeping up at all times beyond just damage

[latent moss]

i disagree

imo the issue lies in slam

it feels like a last resort filler

it has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of our kit

yet we press it often

[quaint otter]

It procs tactian 😎

[hushed pine]

If you had something like that azerite power then MAYBE it'd feel worth pressing

[quaint otter]

Lol

[latent moss]

yeah crushing assault big ass slam wouldnt be bad but

we lack buttons

in st

[quaint otter]

Iirc the azerite power made slam insanely big

[latent moss]

we have so many yet so little

[hushed pine]

I'd rather go back to CS resets, op from taste for blood, big Slams in between mortal strikes

[latent moss]

same

[hushed pine]

I hate CS as it is currently

It feels BAD when it's not up

[latent moss]

we have been telling blizz to go back to legion but

no success as u can see

apparently we are in a good spot

i think cs is fine as it is we just have to move from overpower

we need interactions with bleeds

we need big numbers

[hushed pine]

Buff fatality or remove it

Bring back taste for blood

[latent moss]

like imagine being able to send a 130 rage execute every 30s

and having cold blood on it

[hushed pine]

Make execute great again

[latent moss]

playing around that 130 rage execute would be so good

i thought slayer would be that ngl

[hushed pine]

Yeah remember when Execute would spend ALL rage to do huge damage? Good times

[latent moss]

avatar transforms execute into something stronger

imagine u can send execute regardless of enemy hp during avatar

[latent moss]

fatality is just boring

and annoying

[latent moss]

and furys execute consumes rage during avatar

and exe crits enrage u or something

berserkers torment infinite reck execute spam as fury big damage

[brittle fiber]

Revendreth execute would be good for current slayer tbh but SD procs every other second anyways

I cant stand fury because i hate the idea of abilities generating rage

[latent moss]

or like during avatar u gain access to all execute threshold modifiers

like iftk increased haste

pi on fury would go hard asf

and on arms

[hexed saddle]

ahem ʰᵃˢᵗᵉ ᵒⁿ ʳᵉᶜᵏ

[brittle fiber]

Bring arms battle cry (arm’s reck) back

[latent moss]

good yap sesh xantage

[hexed saddle]

thank u

[latent moss]

we need one on arm too

[brittle fiber]

Arms yap session:
EP sucks MP sucks, high overpower reset procs sucks, AM not compensating for new rage costs sucks, BS cd reduction sucks

[plucky minnow]

Yeah! ( i got no clue what yall just said LMAO)

[brittle fiber]

Mortal strike buffs suck

Slam sucks

[plucky minnow]

As an enjoyer of 3 button specs (fdk, devestation, aug, every healer doing dps) I hate pushing slam, rend, and skull Splitter

Love execute tho

good button

feels nice

[magic canopy]

SkS dogshit button bleed dam isnt fun

[hushed pine]

Only good thing about it is rage generation but yeah screw SkS

Bring me back my 6 button arms

[brittle fiber]

I love rend tbh

Sks sucks ass though

[quaint otter]

Agree

[brittle fiber]

It’s sad because vanilla arms plays more fun than current arms

[quaint otter]

Maybe if it increased bleeds on all targets not only ones it hit

[plucky minnow]

Ngl, I took skullsplitter off and the rotation became way more fun.

I guess at the end of the day its a game and gotta do whats fun.

Also would be more cool if cd's lined up lol

anyway thanks for the help

[brittle fiber]

Im a meta monkey

If best build has sks then im running sks

[livid cloak]

ran a trial build just feeling out some different stuff

sv 12

sv is a good blademaster torment dungeon, so may be a bit skewed

but messing around with some no uproar no BB builds

[quaint otter]

Therefore u dont arms

[brittle fiber]

Nah arms will top dps next season

[calm hollow]

If we have only ST fights, maybe

[brittle fiber]

Arms is ahead on most fights aside from brood and queen atm

[calm hollow]

Well I’m not playing arms until sks is removed from the rotation, thats for sure

Played whole DF as arms, I have to vomit from the sks playstyle

[gaunt owl]

wait you guys still playing ?

[calm hollow]

Why wouldnt i?

[brittle fiber]

Im likely to drop wow once i start my master’s

Even with premade i have little interest doing 8 dungeons on top of uni muay thai and work

[quaint otter]

LETS GOOOOO

[slow saddle]

Whats with the sks hate?

Its a decent button?

Gives rage pairs with roar

[brittle fiber]

15 rage

on a class that's currently rage starved for 2-3 minutes max

[latent moss]

0 synergy

its just a press on cd for more irrelevant damage

[slow saddle]

= roar + sks

[latent moss]

u dont notice ever

[slow saddle]

Bring back old sks

[latent moss]

u dont have to hold at all

just perma send

[thick kelp]

only thing I notice when pressing sks is having to refresh my rend randomly mid CS

[slow saddle]

That clapped

[latent moss]

imagine it didnt actually fucking consume ur dots but just increased their damage

[slow saddle]

I mean sks was lit before

[brittle fiber]

just did a key with this build and my god it feels so much nicer, no EP is super weak in boss fights though

[latent moss]

too hard to implement

[slow saddle]

When it could burst down shit

Actually prefered the full consumd

[thick kelp]

Just give me this instead of bloodletting

[slow saddle]

Just make ms give dw b4 calculating dmg

[thick kelp]

Cata arm so much better to play

[slow saddle]

Fury has this now

[latent moss]

dot speed scales with mob hp

cleave applies rend

[quasi torrent]

bro SOD 2h fury plays better than arms

[latent moss]

[quasi torrent]

SOD phase 2 arms that didnt even have the whole kit plays better

[latent moss]

cant even disagree

[thick kelp]

What iteration of warrior doesnt play better than arms

[quasi torrent]

early wod arms

[thick kelp]

Nathria release maybe and that

[quasi torrent]

(pre hfc)

[brittle fiber]

sod phase 1 arms

blizz

[latent moss]

8.3 tom ww spam deep wounds all damage

early cn

[quasi torrent]

"early on"

that was all that tom ever was in bfa 8.2+

[latent moss]

cn

[slow saddle]

Played ok, dmg was just a total bust

[quasi torrent]

me when i do tank dps

[latent moss]

nathria

[quasi torrent]

until lucid in exe

[latent moss]

early castle nathria

[thick kelp]

i think early castle nathria

[latent moss]

deadly calm ravager

signet

hope for reck

[slow saddle]

I liked.it

[latent moss]

94 condemns in a row

[slow saddle]

Condemn was awesome

Simple yet slamming

[latent moss]

[thick kelp]

condemn

is like

the reddit spell

if we had to put one spell as one that reddit lovs

[latent moss]

condemn was so ass

[thick kelp]

Condemn BatChest

[silk spade]

BatChest

[latent moss]

did less than regular execute in 9.1

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/jhnnycrwsh-forsen-nymn-batchest-twitch-gif-24086134

[latent moss]

bbbut mah shadow damage

condemn fury with double leggo was goated in 9.2

deathmaker was awful tho

[brittle fiber]

my dad be ventyhr arms warrior condemning (whipping) sire denathrius (my ass) with his belt (stoneborn goliath's cleaver)

[latent moss]

remornia

[brittle fiber]

oh yeah forgot about that one

[balmy kindle]

Bruh wasn't condemn dogshite

Pretty sure on S1 it was fairy or blue soy

Venthyr and maldraxuss being bad was so shite for SL

[naive sage]

Necrolord was good wasn’t it?

I used night fae though

[radiant cape]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/draenor/gadje?boss=2898 is anyone able to tell me what’s wrong with my latest sikran kill? Feel like I’m doing decent damage but the blue log scares me

[icy mulch]

Night Fae had First strike, which was massive. The mastery on Ancient Aftershock was also great.
Lots of ppl went venthyr cause of marketing.

[latent moss]

pvp yeah

after 1284th rework

where they made it so u can carry it on yourself

it was good on prot in s3/s4

and it was looking insane for fury in s3 but then

xeoswonka moment

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-spongebob-get-out-gtfo-mad-gif-15004072870832782483

[balmy kindle]

Lol by the reworks SL was dead

[icy mulch]

Yeah, took a lot of fixes and a whole lot of lack of self respect to run banner in pve. Druids basically turning them into buff bots for their cool downs.

[balmy kindle]

It was night fae or bastion

But warrior bis should had been venthyr or necrolord

[icy mulch]

I used Night fae till it was free to swap between, so I collected mog and mounts. Bastion wasn't bad, and Bron WA did lots of heavy lifting.

[halcyon valve]

Necrolord chads rise up

[quaint otter]

[quasi torrent]

man SL truely is fucking dogshit

[minor gust]

SL classic on its way

[halcyon valve]

shadowlands classic could go hard if they fix the issues the expansion had from the start

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520

[halcyon valve]

season 1 with unrestricted covenant swapping and no torghast requirements

do it for denathrius

also if they buffed necrolord

[icy mulch]

Even buffing Necrolord, you were still used as a buff bitch for other classes. Hence why that meme was created.

[halcyon valve]

suggestion: necrolord only buffs other warriors so you stack warriors

[naive sage]

This gif will never not make me laugh

[strange perch]

Not true

[livid cloak]

Drop ignore pain and massacre. Without ep you only push execute as a slam replacement so massacre is doing nothing for you here

Put it in sks or battlelord. Or take ep instead of massacre

But massacre by itself is worthless

[brittle fiber]

yea true, i wanted to try it without SKS so might put it in BL or back in EP

i wanted to balance it between ST and AoE (not that i accomplished that) so im curious if i just return massacre talent point to SKS or go a bit more ST and do EP

[quasi torrent]

Its fine to be wrong
actually in this case it isnt

L

[naive sage]

Good times

[sullen moat]

i use this build as i dont like tclap on arms atm and im old. you can change EB to rend if you are a clapper

[livid cloak]

That point in critical thinking

Instead of rend

Whew i can't imagine that's any good

Also why even take thunderous words without rend

[minor gust]

Bleedless arms what a wonderful sight

[strange perch]

You live in a delusion but that is okay i will not judge we listen but we dont judge

[fresh spire]

Bloodletting when no rend you mean

[sullen moat]

i just told you. i dont like clap on arms ?

[livid cloak]

Oh god ghat too

[fresh spire]

Tbh I found some rend builds for slayer being marginally behind in keys

[fresh spire]

Like some no rends

For 11.1 current stuff

Was like 1%

[livid cloak]

Bloodletting and thunderous words without rend

Its too early for this

[fresh spire]

For the sake of hating clap at least before 11.1 it will cost you quit a bit of damage both for St and aoe

Not even hating clap more of man hates rend if anything

[strange perch]

Thunder... clap???😰

[sullen moat]

dosent matter for me. i do max 12 keys and i really dont like how tclap is on arms, just change EB to rend and tada you got a clap build

[livid cloak]

Its not that

Bloodletting literally does nothing

Without rend

So no need to talent into it

And thunderous words buffs your bleeds, and you don't have rend

So no need to talent into ut

[sullen moat]

ofc it does it gives more crit on bleeds

try sim it

[nova marsh]

What bleeds

You dropped rend

Dws damage is pathetic

[sullen moat]

deep wounds a roar?

and

[nova marsh]

Sure you boost roar and that's cool, but rend is the main benefactor

[halcyon valve]

i felt inspired to just yolo my own take on a rend free build

[sullen moat]

and deep wounds. its up to peeps to use tclap with EP out and in with rend. i just dont like tclap

the main think is you get alot of single target also

thing*

[nova marsh]

Why? You press it like 2 times in a fight and don't even have to use rend as a keybind

[minor gust]

thats wild to hear tbh

[sullen moat]

i just dont like it

[nova marsh]

So just say you dislike rend

[sullen moat]

i like rend, just not the way we have to apply it

[livid cloak]

I have to think using spear and battlelord is better than troar and bloodletting

Without rend

I mean we're lost in the sauce here rn but still

[halcyon valve]

not too surprising tho tbf with thunderous words and bloodborne getting nerfed

[fresh spire]

With the nerf to bb and thunderous bleeds lost a little value in slayer . Moment you don't use sks rend goes to shit

[livid cloak]

I ran a no bb no uproar key last night and it felt pretty solid

[nova marsh]

So next patch we get bleedless arms at least

[minor gust]

this isnt a real talent dont fall for it

[halcyon valve]

ik probably lose it for fervor of battle, but idc

helps with colossus execute rage management

[strange perch]

Toletole this looks really cool keep it up can you make it clesve free aswell please

[halcyon valve]

no

[nova marsh]

Oh BTW guys is arms saved yet

[strange perch]

Yeah

[minor gust]

never will be

[fresh spire]

Colossus 11.1 begs to differ

[halcyon valve]

2h weapon spec is getting increased from 5% dmg to 6%. we are truly saved

[fresh spire]

Lemme get the deft screenshot out

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[fresh spire]

Pure nightnare

[strange perch]

Fishy what would you prefer arms stays the way it is forever or 1 night with turla

[fresh spire]

Merry christmas guys

[fresh spire]

[halcyon valve]

hmmm today i will stack fatality

[fresh spire]

[halcyon valve]

cant wait to proc it and do 1% of my overall damage

[fresh spire]

2.1%

Still seems so small. Hits 12m ish

[minor gust]

[strange perch]

Good capstone

[sullen moat]

yeye. mock me, but as i said. Just change so you get tclap...and then sim it with your chars 🙂

[strange perch]

Hi balotus

[halcyon valve]

fatality just needs some big soundeffect and/or visual when it does damage
saved spec

[fresh spire]

True I need a huge explosion sound

[brittle fiber]

tclap has been on arms since vanilla....rend tclap since cata

[fresh spire]

Need to find weakaura for that dopamine

Huge font with the damage hit

[halcyon valve]

1-5 stacks: bloop
6-15 stacks: bang
16-25 stacks: pow
26+ stacks: BOOM

[minor gust]

need a loud sound of a guillotine falling

[sullen moat]

yes, but it dosent change how i feel about it atm ?

[fresh spire]

I need a fart sound when it's like 2 stacks

[halcyon valve]

water droplet

[brittle fiber]

what other classes do you play

[halcyon valve]

now this is inspired

[sullen moat]

atm i also play frost dk as Rider

but for the most part i like warr

[halcyon valve]

50 stack fatality procs
entire raid gets a cutscene

[strange perch]

I main survival hunter but since tww the opener is very bloated and feels kinda bad

[quasi torrent]

I dont talk to SL revisionists

[strange perch]

Very unlucky

Hello anda

Andy

No please talk to me

Please

Shafowlands bad shadowlands bad

Please

😢😢😢

[fresh spire]

Holy

Cinema?!

I miss mortal combo

Remove bl for combo

[halcyon valve]

[fresh spire]

Probs better

[nova marsh]

Better idea

Remove arms

[halcyon valve]

honestly a better capstone would be the sl legendary that random procs cs from ms

[strange perch]

I liked the one where rampage put on the siegebreaker effect

[nova marsh]

If i wanted to play a casino spec I'd just play outlaw or enhance

[halcyon valve]

wdym, we LOVE gambling in here

big cleave 🐒

[sullen moat]

here it is with tclap. Critcake play it like this https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOAUVFRFQhUVKSUFBBOVVEVURFFUlFQFQCBFAA

cos it was a build i made for him 🙂

he change it over to rend cos he do higher keys and stuff

[strange perch]

Outlaw is actually so cool now just wish the other herotalent was playable

With killing spree

[sullen moat]

then see your single target. it goes up!

and your aoe is also good

ow i forgot to fill colossus out 😄

[brittle fiber]

New outlaw tier set actually looks fun

[strange perch]

Fr

[sullen moat]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOAUVFRFQhUVKSUFBBOVVEVURFFUlFQFQCBFEFVVUBR

there

[strange perch]

Also only spec where that casino stuff is actually fitting

I mean the tiersets (most) seem good but i dont fw the idea just yet idk

But we will see

[halcyon valve]

😔 critcake still hasnt done all keys as arms

[strange perch]

@daring heron please do keys as arms

[sullen moat]

naa, some keys are deffo better as fury

i think he hates arms atm 😄

[minor gust]

Critcake and Arms arent dating anymore

[halcyon valve]

😔

[sullen moat]

nope

if he could slap it i bet he would

[brittle fiber]

Im very close to forcing myself to learn outlaw but i dont want carpal tunnel on prog

[daring heron]

i did a lot of arms pugs on stream

just havent posted them

[halcyon valve]

0 city of threads or grim batol as arms tho 😔

[sullen moat]

it aint that bad is it ?

[brittle fiber]

Need arms feet build

[sullen moat]

thats fury no?

fury got no arms

[rare kite]

city of threads not bad as arms. big damage on 2nd and 3rd boss. tho any pure phys spec does big damage on 3rd boss

not tried grim batol as arms

[livid cloak]

City is a good arms dungeon. Spell reflect mitigates orbs first boss. 2t cleave 2nd boss. Physical dam and second wind value huge on 3rd boss

Last boss isn't great as arms

Arms is pretty solid on the 3 pack trash and the bigger pulls at start and before 3rd boss too

[halcyon valve]

Ik

[latent moss]

11.1 spoiler

[dapper juniper]

guys

[minor gust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[dapper juniper]

i saw some warriors playing mastery not crit for raid single target

whats happening

[minor gust]

secondary stats dont matter

[viral locust]

Probably play m+ and just swap a few things for raid

[livid cloak]

Based

[verbal marten]

Guys

I just wanna say

Fury > arms

[lethal acorn]

I like Arms more as a class fantasy, a great general / tactician who hits meaty, precise strikes rather than a boring berserker that just flails wet noodle hits

[wheat lagoon]

The fantasy of both is just swing around big sticks

[weak rain]

arms = old kratos with an axe, fury = young kratos with his blades of chaos

[minor gust]

Arms hasnt been slow chunky tactical hit fantasy in a long ass time

it has no fantasy right now

[weak rain]

arms is chill guy fantasy rn

[wheat lagoon]

Swing big sticks

[minor gust]

Arms is fury with 1 2h instead of 2

[strange perch]

get back to reddit. arms fury prot are bros against all odds

[hushed pine]

As an Arms main, Fury is in a better place right now

[wheat lagoon]

Defensively yeah they’re better

Dmg is about the same

[potent ledge]

Guess this comes up alot but here it goes. Is slayer better or is colossus better in m+ or are they basically equal or not far apart? Cus ive tried both a few mists with same tank(same pulls etc) and didnt feel any overall change. I might just suck at one of them idk haha. Any feedback on this?

if feedback is possible on my mumbo jumbo*

[wheat lagoon]

You just lose a lot of ST with colossus over slayer, makes for longer boss fights most of the time

[potent ledge]

Ah, yeah thats where i felt a change at least

[tacit crystal]

colo also can just cds whenever

[potent ledge]

but didnt think much of it untill you said it haha

[wheat lagoon]

Yeah colo just does A LOT of AOE

[strange perch]

slayer all the way

[potent ledge]

Hardcore! 😄

[strange perch]

synergy + consistency

[untold trench]

Just play Vers/Mast Col, pray for the Demo to crit, profit

[strange perch]

look, all spec builds have been solved already. WoW does not support drastic build/rotation varieties. WoW is not PoE.

if ones is struggling with rotations, train with HEKILI.

[potent ledge]

Yeah thats why i was asking for feedback so i dont make the mistake of choosing a bad route in my m+ life haha

Ty everyone

[strange perch]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715

[potent ledge]

i like the human touch.

conversation and what not

[thick kelp]

Conversations here include worrying amount of missinformation

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[potent ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/safuu-degens-safuu-army-pump-army-gif-25593529

[slow saddle]

Colo can do quite a lot more

But u do want way more crit

[tacit crystal]

what a surprise

[dire hinge]

I miss when I had infinite time and would just put on backup gear that had the stats people would say, then demonstrate the differences

[dim basalt]

Colossus still does pretty decent ST, like 1 to 1.2M depending on the fight

Which puts it close to other non-meta specs

[strange perch]

but is it consistent 1.2M?

[dim basalt]

What else

1.2M burst would be a bad joke

[wheat lagoon]

I hold 1.2-1.3m on slayer, I’m barely holding 1.1m on colo through my experience. Could be stats, not sure.

[dim basalt]

It does a bit less than Slayer but it's not worth talking about imo

Colo does decent enough ST and way more aoe

[slow saddle]

A lot of crit makes .col play way better

[potent ledge]

How much crit % would be a good start to play more colo?

[thick kelp]

anything from 25% ngl

you should have enough

if you have geared for arms

and not fury

[slow saddle]

Feels a lot better at 35++

[verbal marten]

fury > arms

[brittle pelican]

Calm > legs

[gaunt owl]

you dont have to show your insecurities to everybody

[halcyon valve]

Massive cope, fury doesnt even exist

[paper summit]

does anyone know if the gems and ring are simming correctly in raidbots? or do they just kinda suck?

[dull dock]

What is a good stat weight mix for arms?

[quaint otter]

Colo more crit slayer more haste

Sim it

[rare kite]

[stuck ruin]

Are arms and fury gear completely different stats this season…..? Making it impossible to swap back n forth.

[minor gust]

dont worry about stats they aint real. swap whenever you wanna swap

[silk spade]

you have a lot of sparks and unlimited crests rn

you can craft multiple crafted pieces of the same slot

[sullen moat]

well, arms also like crit mastery and haste. so making a mix so it fit both should be fine

[rare kite]

nahh, fury stats for arms is fine. arms stats for fury not so much

[slow saddle]

Arms - slayer yes

Arma collosus is rough with super low crit

[old urchin]

Yup

I'm at 34-20-23 and it feels amazing

[slow saddle]

Collosus kind of crit

[stuck ruin]

Thanks!

[rugged jasper]

Is it beneficial to stack Executioner's Precision?

Like ideally, have two executes, use them both then mortal strike

or just execute, to get off marked for execution stacks, mortal strike, normal prior until you hit 3 stacks of marked for execution again

or need to use it to not waste / refresh ashen juggernaut

I guess really I'm just curious about free execute usage, should you be trying to save it, or just spend it and get the BS cd benefit

[livid cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/rhoa-sassy-sass-nene-leakes-read-gif-5384736

[fringe moon]

it's strange....sims have the +stat gem simming higher, but thunderlord performs way better

is thunderlord bugged or not simming correctly?

[tacit crystal]

save me

[thick kelp]

Are u just feelycrafting it performing better

and looking at details breakdowns

[fringe moon]

not feely crafting....

we're progging queen and my DPS by intermission is consistently 100-200k higher

nothing changed

started the night with the +stat gem...doing 1.1M by intermission (we cheese all the webs, so no padding). Immediately after swapping to the thunder gem, I'm doing 1.2-1.4M, sometimes 1.5-1.6M by intermission

[thick kelp]

thats feelycrafting

go sim it

i think its even mentioned in wowhead to sim your gems but the ones there are bis for the bis profile

[fringe moon]

I already told you...sims show +stat gem higher

but in practice, thunder is outperforming for me

[thick kelp]

go hit a dummy for 3mins no raid buffs enabled and sim quick sim 3min target dummy

and compare the breakdowns with damage gem

[fringe moon]

damage gem doing 40k more DPS on 3min target dummy

I'm telling you....at least 20 pulls tonight with 10 hitting P2. After I swapped to the thunder gem on pull #12, DPS instantly 100-300k higher per pull by intermission

not really a coincidence

[tacit crystal]

what if we hit the dummy

[thick kelp]

did any of your healers run this gem by chance

[fringe moon]

nope

thunder gem consistently doing 4.5-6% of my damage too

[thick kelp]

link your quick sim

and the log

of your pulls

[fringe moon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QnC4b9GVcxYPy3DH

my log

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/49kNJ5U9nZAeX1FqRd4Kyp

sims where I simmed multiple gem combos

I started wearing the thunder gem starting from pull #12

[thick kelp]

can u get me details ss of 3mins in combat with target dummy

no food no flask etc

[fringe moon]

I can’t arm. Already logged off. But my dps on 3 min was 1.03M with stat gem and 1.07M with thunder after combat ended and details stopped registering. Dps for the thunder gem was 43k

[thick kelp]

happen to remember the %

of your damage that was from gem

[midnight mural]

Thundergem is pure st right ?

[fringe moon]

4.3% or something

[thick kelp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6YHG3Wi1YBmMjzYszA6cQ2

even underperforming vs a sim

[trim arrow]

gnome warrior damn

[fringe moon]

When I stopped combat at 3M my dps was 1.1M. By the time details stopped counting, my dps stopped at 1.07

[trim arrow]

the ring is so rng a few pulls wont tell the full story

[fringe moon]

Only swapped to gnome for queen as an emergency web break

[trim arrow]

you have so many outs

as this class though

[fringe moon]

Yes, but it’s just an in case

[trim arrow]

yeah idk couldnt pay me to pay gnome ever

[thick kelp]

Comparing a quick patchwerk 3min sim vs your logs

your ring somepulls does the same or less

[trim arrow]

ring is so rng

[thick kelp]

and some pulls does 1% more

its just big rng coinflip

[trim arrow]

sometimes you proc 2 stat effects during cds

[thick kelp]

Biggest difference I could notice was sim 4.1% vs your 6% on log

but you got like 10more procs than the sim kek

[fringe moon]

I get that the sim shows the stat gem being higher. But on 18 pulls or so, my dps was consistently higher with the thunder gem. My spot on the dps meter was a few slots higher

[thick kelp]

Maybe there is some broken interaction in a raid where theres alot of people so it procs more from heals etc,

but comparing a dummy sim vs dummy ingame it performs the same

so keep playing ig

nothin wrong

[fringe moon]

Without the thunder gem on the dummy, I did 40k less dps

[trim arrow]

too small a sample

[fringe moon]

Yeah.

But from raid, I could see a difference which was odd

[thick kelp]

thers maybe some interaciton that the sim is not accounting for

cuz it requires external players

so just keep playing the damage effect gem ig

nothing wrong with it and in a sim its barely behind the stat effects anw

[brittle fiber]

What about mechagnome

[obtuse copper]

How about €7000

[trim arrow]

even worse

[brittle fiber]

HEY YOU TAKE THAT BACK

[trim arrow]

diaper baby

[naive sage]

The bot does something like 180000 iterations (random number) just saying
But as other said, it’s not wrong to use it, so go ahead

[halcyon valve]

Ill take you up on that offer

I need more money for gambling

[naive sage]

Based

[modest marlin]

I like my gnome warrior but I get it's not for everyone who wants the Unga Bunga me strong fantasy.

[minor gust]

No shot you wasted money for another get out of web break when your playing a class that has 4 buttons to get out of web break

[hazy flower]

💀

[steep osprey]

oof

[halcyon valve]

💀

Cooked him

[livid cloak]

Tbh its not wasting money if he gets some enjoyment out of it

[peak jacinth]

Skipper's Citrine says it boosts the "EFFECT" of another Citrine. The other recommended Citrines are flat-stat boosts, not effects. Does it boost them anyway/ semantics?

[halcyon valve]

legendary citrine triggers any random citrine effect at 150% effectiveness, no matter what other citrines you have socketed

so it can proc damage, it can proc healing, or it can proc stats that have (i think) 15 seconds uptime per proc

just as a buff/aura

[peak jacinth]

So it's semantics. It DOES boost flat-stat, even though that's not technically an "effect" the way they're all worded. ty!

[halcyon valve]

as an example, this guy has stat gems and skipper, but procced all the different healing gems too

and here are procced stat buffs

but yeah the procced stats give a higher amount than the gems, which is the 150%

[peak jacinth]

Just not getting how: I have a Mythic Key to the Unseeming = 4817 Haste (along with so much else).

I'm supposed to replace that with 472 Haste (708 WHEN it procs), and some Mastery? Even with 100% uptime, I'm losing 4100 Haste, let alone everything else.

Just on the face, I'm not understanding how the new Ring performs so well.

[halcyon valve]

dmg procs aswell

[peak jacinth]

Recommended Rings are: all stats, Mastery, and Bonus.

What dmg procs?

[halcyon valve]

theyre not much, but they do matter

[peak jacinth]

Is that... showing a bonus from someone else's Ring? How are you getting 4 effects from a Ring with 3 slots? lol

Again, hard to imagine a 0.09% bonus from someone else is better than the 4100 Haste I just threw away, along with all the other stats on that Ring.

Players better than me are using it and wouldn't be unless it was better. Just ... it doesn't make sense to me.

[halcyon valve]

legendary skipper procs all gems that exist, it does not interact with the other 2 gems you equip

[halcyon valve]

as mentioned above, this guy has stats, stats, skipper
and it procs damage and healing

[peak jacinth]

ooohhh that makes more sense. Do you have to have them in your bank/ bags/ or literally it just procs out of thin air?

[halcyon valve]

aswell as bonus stats on top

you dont need to have them at all

[peak jacinth]

It "just works." kk tyvm

[halcyon valve]

it just procs one of the 11 possible effects that exist

[fresh gazelle]

For arms focused in m+ its better colossus or slayer?

[hushed pine]

Colossus

Slayer is more ST oriented

[severe haven]

Is arms popping off statistically now?

What the hell is going on

[rare kite]

not really

[severe haven]

Why are all these sites ranking it in S

When stats show it's kinda middle of the pack

[minor gust]

[rare kite]

idk, but also i don't really check tiersites xD

[manic river]

So I wanted to ask, is our next season tier set bonus kinda shit? I mean compared with Fury where he gets to use his rng bonus to a couple of different skills we get chance to consume rng bonus with op to get better op? : /

[eager sigil]

Might be good might be bad

Noone knows

[rare kite]

i can tell you fury has the worse tierset. by alot

design wise

[tacit crystal]

frost

at least its nuking their broken spell

[rare kite]

dk or mage? not really looked at other classes

[tacit crystal]

dk

they have to press frost strike

[serene hollow]

idk if this was answered, but legendary skipper can proc any other gem at 150% effectiveness

hence why you see all of the damage proc gems without having them

[teal fossil]

imo arms is worse design wise

fury is worse numbers wise

the fact that your tier set is kinda disabled in execute is cringe

[tribal kindle]

MM got passive sweeping strike before us 😞

[steep osprey]

We had one in Legion so that's untrue

[modest marlin]

Honestly Hydra is pretty bad unless you're only ever hitting 2 targets

[steep osprey]

Yeah it's trash

[eager sigil]

I mean that's what it's for

Sweeping strikes would be ass too if cleave made your next mortal strike hit 5 enemys

[manic river]

I think that too, Fury may not be very good but ours is just bad design I think, why center everything, both the generator and expender, on our fucking free filler skill? it's like the most flacid and unnexciting thing

At least the aesthetic is slightly better than first season and those plain recolors

[fresh sierra]

Anyone else thinking about swapping mains for s2 I’m pretty doomer about arms in tww

[minor gust]

if you find another spec/class more fun play it thats all that matters

[rare kite]

idk fury will probably insane variance from pull to pull. i think arms will have a tierset in execute, just in a cursed way. you probably stack up the tierset up to a certain amount to make overpower worth pressing

[teal fossil]

the thing is that we dont even know if the damage stacks

i dont know if theyll allow nuclear OPs

if only duration stacks then itll be horrible for execute

if its nuclear ops then its fine

[rare kite]

oh yea that's true, i just can't imagine it not stacking

[teal fossil]

it doesnt sound like it

because that also implies the CDR stacks

which means after a certain stack you are going to be pressing OP for the next 10 gcds

200% additional damage and 750 recharge speed on op

which is literally every gcd

[rare kite]

tru

[fresh sierra]

Why can’t they just change the 2 set to overpower since it’s our rage generator and make the 4 piece about execute or mortal strike so it doesn’t feel like doodoo I don’t understand

Frost dk, enchanc shaman and arms got cucked on their tier sets

[halcyon valve]

overpower
rage generator
Nice one

[quaint otter]

[fresh sierra]

Well ig the talents for it generate rage but w.e

[smoky kayak]

there are two different interpretations of how the set works:

• it stacks value, giving +20-200% Overpower damage and +75-750% for 2 seconds based on # of Winning Streak! stacks
• it stacks duration, giving +20% Overpower damage and +75% recharge rate for 2-20 seconds based on # of Winning Streak! stacks

Data doesn't indicate either way right now, and the set isn't available for testing yet

• The first should be a good set bonus pretty much all the time, granting a single big Overpower which more or less instantly refreshes
• The second is much more mediocre, especially in Execute, giving a small buff that's unlikely to make Overpower a high priority button and lengthy CDR that heavily devalues Deft Experience

[naive sage]

Betting my left nut it's gonna be the second one

[fresh tide]

The second is my interpretation but who knows

[steep osprey]

Thoughts on fury tier set?

[void sigil]

Just find it odd they specify moving a little bit away from OP-buffing MS/Cleaves to then announce a Overpower-centric 4set... While it's not exactly that cut'n'dry, if they shifted the 2 and 4-set around I think it would be more exciting. Proccing a window through Winning Streak! with shorter MS / Cleave CD and more damage - making you also forego stacking OP-buffs would make more sense to me..

But it would probably make Colossus super busted, so idk

[shadow ibex]

Second interpretation is most likely imo

But also super stupid because they just designed a set that does nothing in exe

I wanna give them benefit of the doubt because surely that can't be the right reading considering the execute phase but this is blizz