the rest were hella mid
#arms
median scroll
steep osprey
Elegy?
icy mulch
Right, the only reason I remember it was cause running it so many times with guildies.
Man, I'm really torn about next season.
icy mulch
It's gonna be a feast/famine season. All the RnG stuff is either gonna be super OP or just suck.
latent moss
Elegy?
sigil
massive vers
and refreshes ur covenant ability
movement*
covenant movement
like door of shadows
steep osprey
ok
icy mulch
I don't think Anyone actually used it by choice.
Overwhelming power crystal, puzzle box, and a few others outshined it by miles.
woven wasp
You used it on anduin because you could double on use the intermission
boreal quartz
Sigil + pot + bl was cream
halcyon valve
You used it on anduin because you could double on use the intermission
Sigil + nf ability for enhance did a shit ton of damage
Progging anduin as enhance with that trinket was dumb, perma guaranteed top dps in intermission
naive sage
did they just accidently nerf ms?
No they nerfed martial prowess
rain halo
yes but it still hits for 130 instead of 160 after 2 overpowers
and 15% buff looks like they thought it would recompensate that change
chrome frost
it’s a buff for one stack but nerf for two stacks
rain halo
how is it the buff for 1 stack tho
chrome frost
Do math
chrome frost
1.15x1.15=1.3225
plucky fern
its 2.5% buff at one stack, and ~11% nerf at 2 stacks
overall i'd still consider a nerf
yeah
thick kelp
its only first round of changes guys
plucky fern
most of the time currently you send 2stack ms
rain halo
yeah design wise its better
its just funny how it looks like they thought
it would compensate the change
plucky fern
its only first round of changes guys
copium
we all know they will not spend a minute more on warrior
ench needs its 10th rework
no time for browns
naive sage
its only first round of changes guys
Rework incoming for sure this time 
strange perch
Rework incoming for sure this time <:copium:839076283467431956>
Prepare to Enjoy cs+op+ms+renderino for next 5 yearrs.
Learn to live in the MAZE
strange perch
i think you forgot something
Dont rub the salt please
Give warriors evoker mechanics
strange perch
channeled spells?
Yes
plucky fern
at first i though 'well thats a dumb idea', but then i realised that if demolish actually worked like evoker empowered spell it would probably be much better
like the more you hold the bigger the damage, and if you release early it will still do like 70% of its dmg instead of hitting the ground doing nothing
strange perch
Also make multi target damage automatic
We are swinging with blades they must strike all enemies in the cone.
regal wharf
Imagine if we got CDR on sweeping strikes
regal wharf
boreal quartz
imagine passive sweeping strikes instead
i dont mind active SS
more nuance with cs cd n shit
plucky fern
i wouldnt mind it if we didnt have 20 other buttons to press
thick hamlet
give ss activation damage that does 1 billiob
plucky fern
so basically a blade flurry from rogue
thick hamlet
yes but bigger number
naive sage
Evoker charge spell mechanic but you hold mortal strike for 3 minutes and delete boss
plucky fern
delete the game* rather
thick hamlet
ok colossus doesnt root you or even channelling
it is now off the gcd and actually gives you a flying buff
halcyon valve
Evoker charge spell mechanic but you hold mortal strike for 3 minutes and delete...
Bonus points if it steadily increases your size, and makes your hair glow a bright yellow
naive sage
Bonus points if it steadily increases your size, and makes your hair glow a brig...
I remember that one video named “E X E C U T E” lmao
halcyon valve
Yes
Of course
New talent: skull splitter bonks your enemy so hard they are plunged into the ground with only the head sticking out, dealing extra damage and stunning them for 5 seconds
regal wharf
They also now have three stars and 8 birds rotating around them
Which give a ramping dot to the enemy
halcyon valve
Shockwave replaced with Power show:
you oil up and start flexing, leaving your enemies flabbbergasted
regal wharf
Ok but im gay so if my blood elf does that I might get hit by an AOE
halcyon valve
balmy kindle
tuning and more design changes still otw
We are losing him doc, increase the dosages
dreamy sandal
i wouldnt mind it if we didnt have 20 other buttons to press
Imagine a world where sweeping strikes activated passively whenever you press cleave or something, good times
plucky fern
i'd be happy with either passive ss or merging cleave and ms into a single button
boreal quartz
that sounds ass
manic river
I'm reading the new changes... it's odd
balmy kindle
Some yay some nay 
manic river
Also the new tier set like, who thought on giving you a small buff that just improves op and can stack up to 10 times but then you can loose it at any time using the filler you cast all the freaking time
minor gust
atleast every dps is playing slots
fickle dock
livid cloak
I'm looking forward to the changes
Ms and cleave base dam is good, extra stamina and avoidance is incredible
There's more I want of course, but overall I'm happy
If we can drop bb and gain ep and massacre basically for free, that would be nice
And with the op reduction from tier set, battle lord resets and rage Gen could be nice
Will have to see how it all plays out
minor gust
In m+ air, do you pop ss before bladestorm, or after it's over then op and Ms?
Depends if your playing blunt instruments you sweep before. If you play Warbreaker you sweep after
cloud gyro
11.1 gg or bg
floral ledge
maybe we can do this no ? with the tunderous words nerf
teal fossil
Spear+roar seems like the way as of rn for arms
floral ledge
bb is also nerf so
plucky fern
either this or pick all 2/2 talents
plucky fern
well 3 of them yes, not sure about cruel strikes
needs simming
i'd bet on spear+roar pulling ahead
thick kelp
cruel strikes is the least important but
teal fossil
Spear+roar def would pull ahead in m+
teal fossil
all 2/2 is very big for arms
This would be the most cursed timeline
If filler talents somehow become our best talents
thick kelp
most likely for ST without any simming
can move cruel strikes to warlords + uproar
doubt we are touching spear
maybe some insane lineup with spear + demolish (court example)
floral ledge
they should just but at old, casting warbreaker use temerity
plucky fern
might be same damage as a single ench tempest
thick kelp
might be same damage as a single ench tempest
not even
I saw non crit ele blast on mists first boss do 32 million
plucky fern
well that shits gone 11.1
wolves nerfed hard
just looked zorthas video on incoming changes, ench dead
plucky fern
its funny that in patchnones theres 200 lines of buffs and a single line that nerf them so hard that new buffs cant compensate even half of loss
bleak fog
Time for War again (or WW monks).
floral ledge
just looked zorthas video on incoming changes, ench dead
thanks blizzard
bleak fog
Just come home from work and saw the changes.. Looked in the updates and so on.. But general feeling, good, bad or we dont know yet?
plucky fern
Just come home from work and saw the changes.. Looked in the updates and so on.....
neutral
floral ledge
nerf warrior blizzard
plucky fern
we get what we really wanted (survivability) but in current build looks like we lose a bit of damage
still theres some copium for more changes coming
floral ledge
seem really logic
vernal crypt
Deadge, reroll or uninstall, completely unplayable
bleak fog
😄
plucky fern
also idk about whats happening to fury but some people are crying fury is dead
cuz of ra changes
i wouldnt believe that tho, probably will just play am
teal fossil
Ra has potential to have insane burst
quasi torrent
Or be turbo F
limber cove
is arms turbo nerfed next season?
thick kelp
yeah its unplayable
fresh spire
I just got word in arms has been removed
Arms has been renamed to fist
It's now a punching spec
plucky fern
renamed to legs*
to walk around dornogal while waiting in 4 hours queue for one m+ dungeon
naive sage
I just got word in arms has been removed
Been waiting for this for years finally free from this prison
naive sage
On a serious note do you think roar + spear can become an option?
livid cloak
Spear seems very underwhelming
fresh spire
Currently outlook is colossus will use uproar and warlords>cruel strikes
livid cloak
Outside of a 10 second window or whatever
fresh spire
Then slayer will drop those for cruel strikes
livid cloak
I'm having a brain fart
What does the recklessness part from warlord do?
Small rage Gen and is it crit chance?
fresh spire
20% crit chance and 25 more rage gen
livid cloak
Is that just to fish for big demo crits?
fresh spire
There is some interactions that still need updating
But we won't use spear and roar currently
Was like 50k dps loss in current setup
naive sage
Was like 50k dps loss in current setup
halcyon valve
We should be able to pick someone up and throw them
We are called Arms after all
Toss the dwarves
naive sage
Having to use roar and spear would have been so shit
25% crit damage tho
plucky fern
spear tuning is just not there
on paper it kinda makes sence to use reck torment and spear, for 6 seconds you get 20% crit, 25% crit damage, spear inself will also do its all damage in those 6 seconds...it all makes sence but it doesnt do damage
maybe if both torment and spear had 8 seconds duration it would be viable
naive sage
Yeah duration is shit for sure
plucky fern
you can literally fit 3 abilities in this window
maybe 4 with lust
but they cant inscrease duration of spear because fucking pvp
fresh spire
This is where op does 20% more damage and cdr per stack not just cdr
fringe moon
Blizzard really needs to remove parry from the game. How the F is queen parrying with her butt?
fresh spire
So op is a galactic missile
naive sage
This is where op does 20% more damage and cdr per stack not just cdr
Well, considering how often we cast overpower, the chances of getting to 10 stacks are suboptimal imo
teal fossil
who knows
there can always be some degenerate optimization
also its 15% chance to remove a stack
if you play like EB+BL you can probably get winning streak far up there without op removing it
if lucky
fringe moon
It’s the DF tier set all over again. The one where we’d never get more than 1 stack of MS damage in raid
teal fossil
s2 tier was entirely passive
teal fossil
It’s the DF tier set all over again. The one where we’d never get more than 1 s...
you just have to realize a lot of "stacking" buffs in this game isnt stacking for your benefit
its stacking so it doesnt overcap in case things happen
EP is the biggest example
or SD stacking to 2
naive sage
you just have to realize a lot of "stacking" buffs in this game isnt stacking fo...
True, still the average stacks we will stay at seem pretty few to me
teal fossil
yeah probably few
fringe moon
Yeah…like 4-6% buff
teal fossil
but like i said
it could go pretty high
its just that execute will be very awkward
teal fossil
True, still the average stacks we will stay at seem pretty few to me
depends on PPM of 2p
you can very well go pretty far without pressing OP once
or that it doesnt trigger
its only 15% per OP
so expected value is that every 7 ops it clears your streak
that being said 20% on op isnt a lot
fresh spire
Ppm seems to be 15 on average per min
teal fossil
This is where op does 20% more damage and cdr per stack not just cdr
ngl they should make it this
just make your next OP hit like a truck
instead of having 8-10 seconds of OP buff
that you dont press in execute
fresh spire
Guess we will find out when ptr goes up for testing how it works
Not sure if the data mine has flags on how it stacks
fringe moon
Wonder if this will make slayer even better than it already is for raid. Opportunity cost of casting demolish
teal fossil
eh not really
dim basalt
just make your next OP hit like a truck
Or even better...MS 
dim basalt
Think thats fne
shadow ibex
Ultimate gamba
During my win streak my BL gave me 5 MS resets and you got 2
I'm excited for colossus with this
teal fossil
owned
halcyon valve
Blizzard really needs to remove parry from the game. How the F is queen parrying...
Fucking season 2 dragonflight… rashok parrying you with his fucking toes
dim basalt
Fucking season 2 dragonflight… rashok parrying you with his fucking toes
Ovinax parrying with his fat
halcyon valve
Literally a worm
simple grotto
fringe moon
parry should just be removed already
dire hinge
parry was neat when the only mechanic was "dont stand in the dragon's frontal!" lol
naive sage
At least don’t make our most important spell parriable
thick hamlet
nerf warrior blizzard
why did enhance getting massively buffed again
naive sage
why did enhance getting massively buffed again
Don’t blame enhancement, remember who our real enemies are (mages-retri-rogues-DH)
young pewter
Is season 2 gonna be a arms > fury ? Set bonus looks pretty good but my knowledge of arms is pretty mid
silk spade
🔮
young pewter
75% reduction of overpower for 2 sec per stack looks kinda good no?
teal fossil
75% reduction of overpower for 2 sec per stack looks kinda good no?
no not really
teal fossil
75% reduction of overpower for 2 sec per stack looks kinda good no?
its not 75% reduction
its charging 75% faster
which puts it at about 6.875s instead of 12
and 20% isnt a lot and this bonus gets really awkward in execute
young pewter
Oh so that’s not that good thanks
Much more helpful than prot war side of things where they’re ready to burn the world down
teal fossil
fury tier honestly better
young pewter
I main fury but it looks rly rly bad
teal fossil
having things trigger on op just creates problems down the line
young pewter
Especially since we use rampage every 4-5 gcd that 15% scares me bc yk unlucky
teal fossil
losing your tier set in execute is also bad
teal fossil
Especially since we use rampage every 4-5 gcd that 15% scares me bc yk unlucky
you do realize clearing winning streak is an upside
not a downside
teal fossil
they can always tune it
thick hamlet
Don’t blame enhancement, remember who our real enemies are (mages-retri-rogues-D...
im not blaming enhance, it just seems mega weird buffing enhance this much
young pewter
There’s no bonus with 4 set for losing the stacks like for example assa rogue
teal fossil
for fury its more of a numbers issue
thick hamlet
at least from m+ PoV
young pewter
im not blaming enhance, it just seems mega weird buffing enhance this much
Someone has a hot e girl they like
teal fossil
unless you are saying that its not significant
teal fossil
im not blaming enhance, it just seems mega weird buffing enhance this much
its not a buff
its actually a pretty big nerf
thick hamlet
it is?
young pewter
unless you are saying that its not significant
I’m saying to get to high stacks as fury it is gonna be hard and require good rng which imo is never good to leave it up to luck
thick hamlet
can you explain more?
teal fossil
I’m saying to get to high stacks as fury it is gonna be hard and require good rn...
not a lot of spec is designed to go high in stacks
everyone has a mechanic to clear it and get a buff somewhere else
like i said, for fury its a numbers issue
young pewter
I’ll have to read again but I’m pretty sure losing the stacks doesn’t reward much of anything if nothing at all
teal fossil
for arms is a mechanical issue
teal fossil
I’ll have to read again but I’m pretty sure losing the stacks doesn’t reward muc...
it buffs BT or RB when you clear your stacks
rn its 25%
but they can always tune that to 50 or even 100
if they want to
but for arms there are issues
like your 4set is just shit in execute
young pewter
(2) Set: Your spells and abilities have a chance to activate a Winning Streak! increasing the damage of your Rampage by 2%, stacking up to 10 times. Rampage has a 15% chance to remove Winning Streak!
(4) Set: When you gain a stack of Winning Streak! you have an even chance to either cause your next Bloodthirst to deal 15% increased damage and have 25% increased chance to critically strike or cause your next Raging Blow to deal 15% increased damage and generate 2 additional Rage.
teal fossil
sorry yeah 15%
young pewter
We benefit from having a lot of stack and losing them is rly bad so if ppl are designed to not get stacks that much
teal fossil
and yeah i read that wrong
tribal kindle
The problem is execute. It’s holding arms hostage for long time
teal fossil
thats on me
young pewter
So fury is gonna ramp hard but you need to hold stacks
thick hamlet
its actually a pretty big nerf
mind explaining this one to me?
young pewter
We can prolly delay rampage but need it for enrage
teal fossil
mind explaining this one to me?
i dont play a lot of enh you probably should go into their discord
to read it
thick cairn
im not blaming enhance, it just seems mega weird buffing enhance this much
it's ok, i have confidence that if enhance is overperforming vs every other spec, that blizzard will bring it back, like they do absolutely everytime.
thick hamlet
I've tried, but they're very antagonistic and defensive
young pewter
it's ok, i have confidence that if enhance is overperforming vs every other spec...
Better hope that e girl breaks some devs heart bc they’ve been steadily getting buffs
silk spade
Better hope that e girl breaks some devs heart bc they’ve been steadily getting ...
what are you on about my guy
latent siren
So fury is gonna ramp hard but you need to hold stacks
That is the thing tho, you dont need to hold stacks if they just tune the 4p, which is most likely gonna happen. For arms the 4p is problematic
silk spade
i skimmed through it so not sure
not that tuning matters aat this point
it's about design
thick hamlet
good point
silk spade
they will or can tune later
worrying about numbers right now is just not the way to look at this
thick hamlet
well
young pewter
At the top end this stuff sucks but I see many FOTM followers not have a single clue what they’re doing
Also seen non meta ppl that know what they’re doing absolutely nuke meters
thick hamlet
worrying about numbers right now is just not the way to look at this
im planning on trying out some 2h enhance next patch (i know copium) and im reading the patch notes as a pretty significant buff and that worries me
don't want another ele shaman rollercoster situation
young pewter
don't want another ele shaman rollercoster situation
Only way I’d do ele is if they shared secondaries with resto so you can flex easier
thick hamlet
mainly concerned with m+ btw, which enhance happen to dominate in a big way
silk spade
they can nerf enhance in any way and make it the worst m+ spec overnight
stop worrying about what will be meta
theres a long way to go
naive sage
im planning on trying out some 2h enhance next patch (i know copium) and im read...
You can’t
Stormstrike needs an off hand
The notes are misleading
gaunt owl
at dying ? 😄
slow saddle
At doing dmg
olive nest
I want arms to be omega SS++ galaxy tier
slow saddle
I just want not to be dog tiet
gaunt owl
Infinite rage op Ms spam machine
they need to remove the rage idea for Arms
its just not working
olive nest
Yes man!! Totally!!
gaunt owl
old ass ressource design that had to be toned down all the way
slow saddle
Combo rage!
gaunt owl
Rage for fury make sense
Arms need tactical button smashing
the idea of the templar strike but with multiple ability
so you combo them to do different stuff
if do you X->Y->Z or Y-X-Z will do different dmg profile for the situation
more ST one on
more AOE for the other
i wish blizzard had good dev
gaunt owl
thats my drunk idea of the night
i uninstalled the game 3 weeks ago
cant have that abusive relationship anymore
olive nest
I lack to much brain to design a spec
olive nest
Wow warrior does that to a person
gaunt owl
be careful its contagious
dreamy egret
so we are getting our bleed dmg nerfed?
dreamy egret
quaint otter
And its for 11.1 so not soon and mught be changed
terse osprey
Do most ppl run Colossus or Slayer more in dungeons?
dreamy egret
.....
terse osprey
i havent done any M+ just curious
quaint otter
Colossus for arms looks better in m+
minor gust
cant have that abusive relationship anymore
They always come back
dreamy egret
This is a great change, what are you complaining about
going from 30% down to 15% dmg bonus is a good thing ? lol
smoky kayak
these changes are not indicative of overall tuning
this is how it always works in major patches with a lot of reworks - first they do targeted changes to get specific spells/talents where they want them to be, then they do broad tuning to get the spec where they want it to be
minor gust
change things forget to tune a classic blizzard patch cycle
rare kite
going from 30% down to 15% dmg bonus is a good thing ? lol
Yes, means ms is less reliant on modifiers to do damage
quaint aspen
Colossus for arms looks better in m+
meh, slayer is more fun
quaint otter
meh, slayer is more fun
i like huge cleaves and demos very arms vibez
quaint aspen
and then wait for some rage on a boss fight )
quaint otter
yes and
sturdy chasm
I know a lot of things are preliminary but are we expecting a battle lord or exhilarating blows build to be become more viable?
halcyon valve
meh, slayer is more fun
No
teal fossil
I know a lot of things are preliminary but are we expecting a battle lord or exh...
they are becoming more viable yes
whether they are meta is another question
shadow ibex
cant have that abusive relationship anymore
fresh spire
oak kite
guys, i have this strange problem? do you guys see the demolish effects for arms? like when i saw the visual on wowhead i thoguht that was very cool actually but i have never seen in the game. the visuals do not appear. first 2 hits feels
they are there, but the last hit, is like fizzled spell
no visual
chilly isle
if MS reset talents arent good then the entire "make MS good again" thing they wanted to do has failed horribly
minor gust
guys, i have this strange problem? do you guys see the demolish effects for arms...
sounds like check your settings
look for stuff like particle effects/spell effects
teal fossil
if MS reset talents arent good then the entire "make MS good again" thing they w...
EB was never that good in the first place even when MS hit hard
battlelord is a bit better though
vestal smelt
I'm reading through the 11.1 talent changes for Arms and seeing a lot of nerfing to our bleeds. Do you think there will be a world where dropping BB and TR completely would be a thing? Or would it still be too strong in AoE?
strange perch
I'm reading through the 11.1 talent changes for Arms and seeing a lot of nerfing...
Rework is not happening buddy. Bleed is here to stay.
cosmic fossil
\
smoky kayak
I'm reading through the 11.1 talent changes for Arms and seeing a lot of nerfing...
BB maybe, TR unlikely
vestal smelt
Would we take TR nake without TW?
brittle fiber
vast surge
I’ll never give up thunderous roar! You can’t make me.
Foos roh dah for life!
lime plank
has anyone gotten this gem yet
the event is semi-bugged. the boss is not allwoed to get near the cave entrance. due to charges it's hard. just force taunt it constantly to the edge of cave and it'll work. got mine earlier today
weary hull
thnx valxa u the goat
strange perch
Gamble Strike!
weary hull
when can we get this
alpine falcon
Is the event for stormbringer's runed citrine bugged?
killed the boss twice at the event, no gem...wtf blizz
karmic sun
im thinking of switching back to my warrior for the remainder of this season and for s2 is arms or fury looking the better spec?
dim basalt
im thinking of switching back to my warrior for the remainder of this season and...
Better in what regard?
DPS? Arms slightly better in pure ST, altho some rng invovled, Fury is better at bursting aoe
In M+ you most likely wanna play Fury
And for S2 we dont have a lot of information right now + there will likely be a lot of tuning
karmic sun
ill be doing m+, is arms a similair playstyle to df or is it completely overhauled?
dim basalt
Cant tell because I didnt play arms in DF unfortunately
karmic sun
ahh ok np
dim basalt
But if it helps, not many are happy with the state of Arms right now
MS hitting like a wet noodle and requires a multiplier stacked upon a multiplier stacked upon a multiplier
Which is getting slightly addressed with S2 though
karmic sun
ahh ok
i mean i dont tend to do really high keys
fury seems a massive burst of aoe where as arms seems to have faster cds
dim basalt
You can definitely do keys as Arms just fine
But Fury is noticably tankier
And you will prob get some more invites as Fury lol
slow saddle
who had a Sudden death when to use WA ?
minor gust
rare kite
im thinking of switching back to my warrior for the remainder of this season and...
On live fury, nobody knows for s2
naive sage
I think there's a solution to the shuddering hollow bug
you need to take the boss outside and make it reset and go evade
the event will reset and the 3 min cd must be triggered again
and it SHOULD work
just an hypotesis tho nothing sure
naive sage
it drops or it doesnt
No it's a bug
the bonus objective disappears
it's not luck
it's a bug
minor gust
I can assure you it has nothing to do with the boss position it works or it doesnt
naive sage
i didn't talk about positioning
dim basalt
Hm yeah doesnt seem like pulling it to the wall or something does anything
I got the impression that the event disappears as soon as he dashes once
slow saddle
hmm
so let me get this straight the Stats one = st the Spell dmg = aoe ?
Stormbringers runed citrine vs thunderlords crack
weak rain
What is scaling on mastery bonus for that mastery citrine, is it huge diff ?
I barely have any mastery
midnight mural
So this might be nothing, but. After like 10+ attemps at getting the fathomdweller, i relogged my alt, entered the isle and did the "i have done this before" skip, went to kill boss and he dropped the fathomdweller first try.
slow saddle
😄
where did u kill him
at the entrance to the cave
or way back ?
did he charge into walls or ?
balmy kindle
damn the 642 ring with best gems is 1.7-1.8% better than my 636 crit haste craft 
livid cloak
damn the 642 ring with best gems is 1.7-1.8% better than my 636 crit haste craft...
Yeah mate, it's only 6 ilvls higher
And it's not a legendary item
balmy kindle
insane actually
halcyon valve
the bonus objective disappears
this
strange perch
small indie company
Resources went into 90 mount please understand siir
strange perch
are always good
Disney flight … dragons were too cute
slow saddle
Disney flight … dragons were too cute
disagree
strange perch
Too many soft features
slow saddle
lol
strange perch
strange perch
i think u need to get ya eyes checked
strange perch
i think u need to get ya eyes checked
There was official dev memo or blog post describing that good dragonkin characters need to have soft features while bad sharp and angular
slow saddle
well that does make sense no =?
slow saddle
i mean its the same thing they do in movies
halcyon valve
what is the bis gems for arms now?
or just sim it yourself, raidbots can sim all the gems
pearl nymph
cool thanks
sand summit
Hey Warriors! I cannot remember... Do sweeping stikres still trigger mortals strikes form unhinged talent?
naive sage
Hey Warriors! I cannot remember... Do sweeping stikres still trigger mortals str...
No, initially it cleaved with SS, then they removed it
Everything fun we have they take from us 👌
bleak fog
Aint it funny how all know how to get the damn gem from Stalagnarok still no gem? :).
Do this do that stand here stand there be in group, be in raid...
strange perch
I noticed that you can get citrines from event only if you contribute >30% of its cost
midnight mural
I noticed that you can get citrines from event only if you contribute >30% of it...
False
midnight mural
Yea
halcyon valve
I noticed that you can get citrines from event only if you contribute >30% of it...
False, i got half my citrines from events i contributed 0 to
strange perch
fresh spire
halcyon valve
finally got the stupid gems for the ring
ivory plover
even with the unhappiness towards arms, is the gameplay loop fun? I have been on an absolute mission trying to find something new to main for next patch, and nothing is feeling satisfying lol
naive sage
even with the unhappiness towards arms, is the gameplay loop fun? I have been on...
Personally I had more fun in DF
ivory plover
Personally I had more fun in DF
is that because of gameplay, or damage? I am okay being slightly below people, as long as the gameplay is fulfilling
rare kite
Gameplay
ivory plover
in the updates tab, it says thunderlords/stormbringers, is it a just sim it situation to decide which you want?
halcyon valve
Think so
For some specs thunderlords proc dmg is worth more than the stats
ivory plover
okie dokie 🙂
naive sage
is that because of gameplay, or damage? I am okay being slightly below people, a...
Both
nova marsh
To me both hero trees are a dissapointment
halcyon valve
Colossus would be such a banger if demolish didnt cancel itself when the main target is 2 cm too far away
ivory plover
trying to find a group for low m+ is harder then solving the worlds hardest puzzles lmfao
minor gust
Because the game is dead rn will fill back up in 11.1
smoky kayak
To me both hero trees are a dissapointment
some people are just impossible to please!
ivory plover
I think after a few dungeons, I like the play of arms more then fury, hitting those big mortal strikes, and cleaves feels NICE
nova marsh
some people are just impossible to please!
Tbh slayer is more so because blizz was wayyyy too harsh on it and I liked it in keys
And now it's just...kinda shit in keus
plucky fern
slayer is one of the worst hero tree designs, literally doesnt introduce anything to class, just a bunch of passive random damage and bladestorm cdr
im happy both warrior specs have a good alternative which is better
nova marsh
And I like that?
plucky fern
good for you then
nova marsh
Colo is a letdown because it's just janky
plucky fern
whole arms is janky
nova marsh
Yeah that's why I rerolled 
plucky fern
i mean its not colossus as a hero spec's fault, its just the class by itself
and colo as a hero tree is decent
alters gameplay, has both defensive and offensive stuff
smoky kayak
slayer is one of the worst hero tree designs, literally doesnt introduce anythin...
calling it "worst design" is a bold claim when it's simultaenously been one of the best received 
almost like preference is a thing that is subjective
mortal rivet
I like slayer and mountain thane. I wish colossus felt better
raw hollow
I wish they'd just made blademaster work
wicked aurora
@olive nest AM fury good in keys?
olive nest
<@224952758808215555> AM fury good in keys?
Yeah it can be good, am can do more aoe since you can get reck/ravager every 30 seconds
wicked aurora
Yeah it can be good, am can do more aoe since you can get reck/ravager every 30 ...
I honestly can't wait for a non ravager season
olive nest
Yeah I’m not a fan either I like spin war
proper grail
@smoky kayak is the non bleed build gonna be better in 11.1 like spear and non skull spilter
smoky kayak
there's not really any such thing as a "non-bleed build" for Arms - you'll always have Deep Wounds and you'll always take Rend, so at best it's a "half bleed build"
- You may drop points from Bloodborne for EB/Finishing Blows
- You could take Spear, but it's not particularly good for Arms; Might's buff window is too short for anything except Demolish (which is a major coin flip)
- Even if you wanted to drop all of the bleed talents, it's not particularly feasible since you'd run out of non-bleed talents to take
chrome frost
I heard that the balance changes for the Warrior were designed by the Paladin designer. Is this true?
plucky fern
yeah the main issue with 'non-bleed' theories is that theres literally nothing else to pick except bleed
its not like rend is a good button, more like what else are you gonna pick in that tier, its all dead talents
minor gust
remove bleeds all together add some brand new talents and abillitie
WW monk just got a plunderstorm abillity we need that whriling fire axe shit
brittle fiber
Because monk needed another animation locked ability
plucky fern
idk people who want bleeds to be removed should just reroll ret
gaunt owl
even Ret has many bleeds 😄
minor gust
holy bleeds
naive sage
Add poisons
minor gust
I piss on my sword for extra poison damage
brittle fiber
remove bleeds, bring back stance dancing and allow arms warrior to have a skill ceiling again
😎
naive sage
remove bleeds, bring back stance dancing and allow arms warrior to have a skill ...
It still had rend though
Cata warrior arms
brittle fiber
Yea you pressed rend once and focused on the rest of your rotation
I personally just hate skullsplitter
naive sage
Yea you pressed rend once and focused on the rest of your rotation
In ape you still had to press thunder clap but whatever
chilly isle
I dont mind pressing rend once in a while, the button i hate is Skullsplitter
And Skullsplitter becomes less nice to press when it makes you press rend more often :D
The only problem i have with arms right now is that the MS cooldown reset talents make the spec so much more fun for me, and we dont play either of them
Best moment with arms in Dragonflight for me was Kurog in season 1 where you put up SS and could luck out like crazy and get to press MS 5 times in a row during your opener
slow saddle
ye which is what we might have in season 2
slow saddle
i managed to get it
but its still bugged
just slightly less
by taunting him into the back of the room 24 - 7
and him not charging in a bad spot
or it might be luck gods know
eager bridge
Guys and gals , can u answer me a question please. How does a single Mortal strike hits 3 or more targets???
eager sigil
it shouldnt
fresh spire
At least from current nerfs things I've managed to test with current setups while nothing is perfect . Eb likely takes the spot of bb2 in both specs finishing blows takes bb1 in colossus if playing bl on St. There is still a small gap between jug and battlelord around 14k in current gear so depends how the next tier impacts it. We don't take any cruel strikes points taking the other 2 pointer nodes and uproar and Warlords
Ofc all this could change in a heart beat but it's what sins are showing from early 11.1 stuff.
eager bridge
It doesn't is the answer. However with the new Reap the Storm hero talent, the damage procs from Mortal Strike and cleave hit 3 or more targets. For cleave it works , but for Mortal strike it doesn't
fresh spire
Guys and gals , can u answer me a question please. How does a single Mortal stri...
Mortal strike can only hit 1 extra target when sweep is up
Cleave hits 3
You miss understood the change. Ms can still proc it but cleave requires a minimum of 3
eager bridge
Mortal strike can only hit 1 extra target when sweep is up
We all know this but seems blizz made an oversight with the new reap the storm
eager bridge
You miss understood the change. Ms can still proc it but cleave requires a minim...
Ok I will read it again
Ok its semantics issue. Mortal strike has a 20 %chance and cleave when it hits 3 or more targets has a 20% chance. Ok my bad excuse me for wasting anyone's time
boreal quartz
@fresh spire Is cleave 20% per target if >3 tho
Like it is rn
Or did they kneecap slayer passive aoe
woven wasp
🔮 let me check the 11.1 ptr
woven wasp
i think they killed slury with the SD change 💀
sullen moat
i really really hate thunderclap on arms with rend 😦 so i made my own build. gave it to critcake. he liked it. but it sims alittle higher with rend so thats what he is running with
sullen moat
i just dont like it. it feels clunky to me.
boreal quartz
i think they killed slury with the SD change 💀
Inshallah
woven wasp
ST wont take a hit but aoe is getting stretched for points
fresh spire
<@140264255302664192> Is cleave 20% per target if >3 tho
huh?
the calculation for reap proc remains the same
just it has 0 chance to proc with cleave unless it hits 3 targets+
slayer will play exactly the same
cleave was alreayd ass on 2 target even with fob/sweep
my guess is that it was added just to make it consistant with colossus cleave cap too
What it does give though is more room for them to tune reap without worry that if reaps good cleave wont be used in st/2 target to keep forcing it
still fox
is the ring good for arms?
still fox
kk ty , how long time i need for the ring?
fresh spire
its worth using already if you go get the gems, but it gets better every week
still fox
and how long is the quest line? to get it?
fresh spire
to get the actual ring like 5 mins flat, to get the gems depends how much the rock in the cave bugs
naive sage
and how long is the quest line? to get it?
20 mins at most
fresh spire
stupid boss drops no gem if it touches a certain part of his arena
still fox
okay and there are different stones which 3 do I need?
still fox
ah merci ❤️
minor gust
This channel has everything you need friend
livid cloak
The only problem i have with arms right now is that the MS cooldown reset talent...
I play both of them in keys
It makes it very fun to play
brittle fiber
Thought of a fun tier set idea where it keeps the winningstreak/jackpot mechanic but the jackpot makes slam consume double it’s rage and hit like a truck one time
dapper juniper
what gem is good
minor gust
The yellow gem, the sparkly one, and the sweet gem
fresh spire
Thought of a fun tier set idea where it keeps the winningstreak/jackpot mechanic...
we still need clarification on the 4p do we get extended op duration or the 20% overpower damage stacking.
if it does stack damage slayer going to do meteor level overpowers with opportunist
minor gust
Highly doubt the dmg will stack it will just be duration increase per stack
misty bridge
if it does stack damage slayer going to do meteor level overpowers with opportun...
fully stacked colossal might and that procc
teal fossil
if it does stack damage slayer going to do meteor level overpowers with opportun...
I hope it’s gonna be damage stacking
But it sounds like duration stacking
Because each stack is 2 second
fresh spire
We don't know until we can test 😦
teal fossil
Just doesn’t sound right for it to stack damage
fresh spire
Depends if it stacks for a single overpower and only 2 seconds duration. Can be precieved a few different ways.
datamine doesn't really show its intended playout but:
- It stacks (20-200%) for a single overpower and the recharge is 75% for 2 seconds
- It stacks (20-200%) for a single overpower and the recharge is (75-750%) for 2 seconds
- It stacks 20% for all overpowers and the recharge is 75% for (2-20) seconds
time will tell when we get PTR after new years and we can see how it works
livid cloak
The last option is how I read it
Where you'd just be spamming op and ms presumably with battle lord
fresh spire
My first assumtion and a few others was the last one, but we don't know for sure
livid cloak
Yeah
teal fossil
1 is the least rotationally intrusive and best for execute
fresh spire
first one has interaction with execute
teal fossil
3 is essentially textless for execute
latent moss
Where you'd just be spamming op and ms presumably with battle lord
colossus hold demolish
for 50% op damage
fresh spire
probs would send the nuclear op before demolish cast if it did stack
steep osprey
probs would send the nuclear op before demolish cast if it did stack
What if the the set buffs DN?
fresh spire
Whats dn
fresh spire
:kekw
teal fossil
Hopefully it buffs dn
soft gust
I hope it works, would be fun
shadow ibex
datamine doesn't really show its intended playout but:
* It stacks (20-200%) for...
Gotta be the last one right. But how do you make a set bonus that does nothing in execute
fresh spire
Gotta be the last one right. But how do you make a set bonus that does nothing i...
you feeling cursed enough today
have some ptsd
real jumpscare :spookie:
shadow ibex
All 3 capstones buttons me gag
fresh spire
:kekw
fresh spire
wanna see a real jumpscare
its kinda viable
:ohno
no bleeds as in roar no talents
just roar
shadow ibex
Idk why winning streak can't be on Cs casts when it's like every 23-25 seconds
And do something good in exe also
fresh spire
it does depend how that 4p works
as if it does stack up a potentially 200% op and have more reset speed
shadow ibex
It reads like super frequent OP
shadow ibex
200% no way tho
200% for 20 seconds what does that even look like to play. Just hard react to any tact proc
fresh spire
would likely be a single op cast and the recharge lasts either 2 seconds or more
🤷♂️
ptr in like 2 weeks then we find out
shadow ibex
All I want for Christmas is no ravager on col
fresh spire
never going to happen
shadow ibex
If they can do that idc
fresh spire
they have to overkill unhinged
fresh spire
more ms buffs unhinged.
shadow ibex
Idk why they don't remove it
Happy with warrior well what about this shit in the corner
chrome comet
tacit crystal
the ones the robot says
astral talon
@boreal quartz I AM FREE
bitch is dead
i died twice cuz no healing on dashes
but we gucci
boreal quartz
bitch is dead
Gz
boreal quartz
rogueor wha
steep osprey
blizz keeps hitting the mark with outdoor sets
regal wharf
i just had an awful experience in an 11 mists
its going ok then near the start of the maze
the hunter goes afk for almost the whole section
his friends say its a bathroom break and im fucking pissed
then they start insulting me because i mess up like 2 mechanics because im so angry
then when i fire back i get a whisper saying im gonna get reported
i hate this game man
pure otter
Im suprised u didnt elave
regal wharf
i was desperate for vault
cosmic fossil
surreal rapids
do you press cleave in st?
rare kite
do you press cleave in st?
if you have collat stacks yes, if not no
boreal zealot
Is it true that thunder is better than stormbringer if I am not max ilvl?
rare kite
🤖
brittle sentinel
Hello! I have a Arms Warrior crafting related question. I've looked at the recommendations for Embellishments, and I think I'd like to attempt going toward the Double Duskthread route. I don't have the cloak or wrists, but the question I have is what should I use for a Charged Claymore itself?
I'm considering the Blessed Weapon Grip Embellishment, but have eyed the Captured Starlight.
trim arrow
blessed weapon grip takes an embellish slot
if you use it you can only use one dawnthread
brittle sentinel
Ahh, I see that, bit of an oversight on my part. In that case that makes the choices easier, thank you!
silk spade
Hello! I have a Arms Warrior crafting related question. I've looked at the recom...
you can only have 2 embellishes
you can have more crafted pieces without embellish on them
brittle sentinel
Yup! I see that now
strange perch
@tacit crystal
regal socket
i just cant make this work on any char thats not an orc
sigh
might switch to a sentinel mog or something
regal socket
i need to be orc pilled
regal socket
Is your problem with it the shoulder?
yeah it just doesnt loook quite right
on anything but orc
xd
regal wharf
i just cant make this work on any char thats not an orc
Yeah the tusks are for orcs only
still fox
Any M+ Slayer enjoyer here? 😊
lethal acorn
Any Raid Colossus enjoyer here? 😊
Also, I feel like I made tusks work for an undead, it matches the bones
vocal gust
Whats your build for Raid Colossus? I've been wanting to switch to that instead of Slayer.
stone marsh
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GO3HsM8XYAAjTCG?format=jpg&name=medium
Raid shadow legends?
strange perch
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GO3HsM8XYAAjTCG?format=jpg&name=medium
HC or Normal? What build are you using!
slow saddle
Any M+ Slayer enjoyer here? 😊
Yes that fat st dmg is nice
Ngl ring is booring as arms, we dont even take the lightning bolts. Just stats
lethal acorn
HC or Normal? What build are you using!
HC
still fox
Yes that fat st dmg is nice
what talents you play?
slow saddle
what talents you play?
Hmm just the standart m+ build from mmo-champion
minor gust
well good news it might be a colossus tier next patch
strange perch
well good news it might be a colossus tier next patch
Transmog-wise yes. Build-wise not so sure. I would still bet on slayer.
slow saddle
Hmm everytime they buff ms
And reduce mp
My money goes more to col
They should just put dmg changes live now tbg
strange perch
Hmm just the standart m+ build from mmo-champion
Except no cleave (((
minor gust
yee baseline MS buffs is much stronger for col
slow saddle
Always cleave
minor gust
nerfed bleeds means can take EB too
strange perch
nerfed bleeds means can take EB too
But what about the mastery?
tired sinew
i mean my tusk mog is more like this. but typically works more with female cause of the half armor chest
slow saddle
i mean my tusk mog is more like this. but typically works more with female caus...
1 axe to many to post here!
tired sinew
just imagine its 1 axe lesser.. hahah my arms morg is little more low fantasy wanted to save the gold
fresh sierra
i mean my tusk mog is more like this. but typically works more with female caus...
drop mog list?
buoyant cargo
Did the incapable devs finally fix shuddering hollow? Im too lazy to login and try myself
dim basalt
Did the incapable devs finally fix shuddering hollow? Im too lazy to login and t...
It is not even Monday for them lmfao
And they're likely on vacation
tired sinew
drop mog list?
fresh sierra
are u able to get the axes still or nah?
steep osprey
are u able to get the axes still or nah?
You are
You’ll always be able to get those
steep osprey
what do u have to do for it?
strange perch
what do u have to do for it?
You need to be exalted with Valajar for reagents to drop.
(fyi)
tired sinew
but wrong channel cause here arms hehe
strange perch
can we see logs?
thick kelp
2 deft sims higher than a point in sharpened blades
quasi torrent
this is 100% ass btw
World boss spawns are random :))
steep osprey
yeah I know, took me a while back in the day
slow saddle
man arms needs god
the fact that demo is fun to play
but i need to just sweep until its spend up
then send all cds
is just so fucky
sullen moat
so...whats up with rare's and blue loot boxes drops ring upgrades? anyone know if it is intended or ?
midnight mural
but i need to just sweep until its spend up
Thats not the play right ? Cant be
slow saddle
Thats not the play right ? Cant be
well do u want a 10m Cleave crit
or a 4m cleave crit
slow saddle
Thats not the play right ? Cant be
so all depends, if u play a
lets say 10
just send all
if u play a key where shit actually live im pretty certain its better the other way
midnight mural
i doubt holding cd's for 15 seconds upon a new pack is the play
slow saddle
it is
quaint otter
fresh spire
2 deft sims higher than a point in sharpened blades
Not for long
The cursed 0 deft fatal
quasi torrent
just start over
iteration can no longer save warrior
we have successfully gotten stuck in a local extremum
shadow ibex
But we are happy with warrior
quasi torrent
the only thing to be happy about with warr is moment to moment flow of fury
shadow ibex
quasi torrent
everything else is dogshit
minor gust
We are happy with the overall state of warrior
slow saddle
armses current execute rotation is a joke
u should always MS with 2 x ep up
has to be balanced so thats bis
candid pecan
u should always MS with 2 x ep up
that's getting fixed in season 2 right? by unequipping the S1 tier set 
slow saddle
that's getting fixed in season 2 right? by unequipping the S1 tier set <:ratge:8...
i actually have no ide
thick kelp
in s2 u always want to have 2x ep for ms
slow saddle
i thought 4p bonus let us PRESS ms at all
fresh spire
livid cloak
i doubt holding cd's for 15 seconds upon a new pack is the play
you are correct, holding everything just to wait on sweeping to end to get one good cleave gcd at the expensive of having all of your burst lined up is just
no good
slow saddle
you are correct, holding everything just to wait on sweeping to end to get one g...
we agree dmg is good though ?
livid cloak
it is, which is why what you suggest isn't good
b/c you sacrifice so much other damage for 1 big cleave
that may or may not even be relevant due to target count at that point in time
it's better to try and game collateral stacks at the end of a pack on the last 2-3 mobs, and take that into the next pack
and open with clap, 2x op and then send everything to open on a new pack with all abilities + a big collat stack there
slow saddle
i mean, all depends, but thats what i do on some packs,
livid cloak
that doesn't make it correct
slow saddle
but i reckon on most sending sweeping strikes if u know they gonna live
and holding it into next pack
halcyon valve
rancid
slow saddle
isnt happening in most keys
as u wont have up ravager then ?
and u end up with a lesser cleave
slow saddle
which i reckon is the issue
livid cloak
again - trying to game so many things that sacrifice your overall damage just to gamble on one big cleave will cost you so much damage
slow saddle
ravager imho, should give buff like bladestorm AFTER
but sean it does not
u delay 14 seconds on first pack of pull
livid cloak
delaying 14s on 1st pull
slow saddle
after that it seems to align decently
livid cloak
is atrocious
slow saddle
again depending on dungeons and level
livid cloak
with lust + all cds + pot
slow saddle
when u add a + 12 its worth, but u do you,
ive had some keys where it seems to be big bonk
livid cloak
if the pack will live long enough for you to delay everything that long, then you can just get a 2nd sweep at the end of the pack and carry the collateral dam stacks into the 2nd group
anyway - ive gotta go to work, but don't delay all of your aligned stuff at the start of a dungeon to gamba on a big cleave, when you can just get big dam anyway. it won't be worth on the overall, but you could take a ss of a big cleave
midnight mural
it's better to try and game collateral stacks at the end of a pack on the last 2...
Exactly.
icy mulch
I've had the most output by delaying things so everything overlaps together. It's super hard to get Overpower stacks to line up, but when you get 3-5 9mil crits it's golden.
You don't delay the whole SS, only enough to ensure you get avatar, CS, and ravager together.
steep osprey
Rework
dim basalt
MM needed it tbh
That spec was in shambles because Blizz didn't know what direction to go
steep osprey
slow saddle
Making ms better
Makes arms better
Remove col dmg
Or remove ravagers interaction with cleavd
dim basalt
Oh not saying Arms doesn't need god
slow saddle
Dude we need.more
dim basalt
But I can imagine that it's on their radar
slow saddle
Arms just have to many modifiers upon modifiers
steep osprey
I think they should have buffed MS more than they nerfed Martial prowess
if it was 15%, it should be 20% MS buff
fresh spire
15% off the buff to have 15% on the base is more
As many ms you send is without mp
Like eb mortal strikes
It's OK. Tier is so good guys we stop playing deft and play Fatality instead
steep osprey
That's a good point
I think it's game breaking that we need talents in the capstone to help with our rage gen
I'm baffled they still haven't done something about that
They tried to reduce rage gen coming from DF but they made it all so messy - they didn't finish their job
steep osprey
oh we will?
slow saddle
I mean isnt main issue executie costing 40 rage?
steep osprey
even in M+?
fresh spire
Bb kinds got slapped
This is the best tree so far without apl changes using new tier
steep osprey
Yeah, Execute should be 30 rage
fresh spire
Bl is 1% behind
steep osprey
Nah fuck BL
steep osprey
What about AoE setting?
The main issue is rage gen during execute in m+
Idk about pure ST
fresh spire
Not really dug to much into aoe