One more point to use
#arms
minor gust
minor gust
why not make em all 1 pointers then so you can just grab everything
latent moss
baseline or what
balmy kindle
Ye s
chrome frost
I remember that we can take the Uproar without dropping any point
minor gust
latent moss
hoooly
chrome frost
Oh wait, two hands have two point now?
latent moss
blizzard cooking?
balmy kindle
Partly
dim basalt
Not cooking, putting the food in the microwave
runic tundra
Eh
dim basalt
Altho they absolutely burned the food with our tier
latent moss
yw tier sounds weird
balmy kindle
TBF all the tiers are kinda lol
dim basalt
Prot is kinda nice
thick kelp
baseline or what
arms now has 9% passive DR + 10% stam + 10% armor from reinforced plates
We are actually very tanky now
runic tundra
TBF all the tiers are kinda lol
Nah unholy tier is actually wicked
balmy kindle
Add colo passive
runic tundra
We are actually very tanky now
On a scale of Monk to DK
balmy kindle
Nah unholy tier is actually wicked
Hmm since rngseus as hell too
runic tundra
Where do you think it lies?
thick kelp
On a scale of Monk to DK
Close to dk post nerfs to their survivability
balmy kindle
I am pretty sure if this goes through it's going to be near DK
runic tundra
Hmm since rngseus as hell too
Every DT is a massive steroid
That doesn't lose jackpot no matter what
For 30 secs
It's quite decent I would say
dim basalt
Unholy will ramp like insane
chrome frost
I don’t think 10% stam really helps for survivability. But it’s better than nothing
balmy kindle
Ah lol only read 2 set
Yeah BT gonna be nuts
10% stam be big with all the Dr we have
chrome frost
hope that they will change 2h wep back to 1 point. That’s will be much better
balmy kindle
Yeah but from a balance stand point that means we can take 3 cap stones
thick kelp
yeah
balmy kindle
Oh I meant if 2h wep is 1 point , we can take 3 cap stones at the bottom for sure
latent moss
arms now has 9% passive DR + 10% stam + 10% armor from reinforced plates
whays that passive dr
is that from weapon spec
chrome frost
That’s fair. Arms won’t be too strong even if have 3 capstone point
thick kelp
yh
tacit crystal
🙂
thick kelp
no rason to pick them
tacit crystal
ik
chrome frost
the ST of colossus is still terrible though
balmy kindle
Idk, hopefully ms is strong though to negate
tacit crystal
cinema
balmy kindle
Yeah
tacit crystal
it feels so bad having the crit/execute one there
latent moss
nah bro they cooked
with this one
overwhelming rage
1 point
thank god
we just got 1 extra point
balmy kindle
There's some really good changes but some are kinda partial
Lose cruel strikes, gain spear and others
chrome frost
That looks good since execute is useless for colossus
tacit crystal
i was tinking more so the crit
thick kelp
no longer gives colossal might <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
new tier pushes blord
slow saddle
Wait so we can fuck our execute?
balmy kindle
Yes
latent moss
bro
slow saddle
Isnt it 100 equally bad
latent moss
colossus
thick kelp
might be cook
latent moss
no execute
balmy kindle
No more execute on colo
latent moss
is cooking
thick kelp
cinema
slow saddle
Even st build?
latent moss
with next tierset
balmy kindle
Yes
latent moss
blord exhil ms spam
slow saddle
Hmm
balmy kindle
Ms
latent moss
martial prowess nerfed
thick kelp
stonks
balmy kindle
slow saddle
So no difference if boss has 100% or 35%
Thats a bit sad
Do we even ep?
I hate jugger but love ep
balmy kindle
Fatality gaming 
latent moss
and has a very high tactician reset chance
balmy kindle
Nah probably still take EP
latent moss
i doubt we dont
slow saddle
its still a massive
So still in slaya
balmy kindle
Based
slow saddle
100%
minor gust
it is pretty crazy how boring slayer ended up being
balmy kindle
Same, slayer prog was painful
minor gust
shit got stale so fast
latent moss
it is pretty crazy how boring slayer ended up being
it was interesting to me until aagard came up with the idea of a weakaura telling u when to sd
minor gust
huh just dont use the WA then xd
latent moss
and then i made it
slow saddle
How.much better is that?
latent moss
u can turn off ur brain
slow saddle
Still bad luck follows me
balmy kindle
Never touched slayer after prog, boring and having damage tied to SD procs 
latent moss
damage tied to will u enter execute with 12+ stacks of jugg
chrome frost
I don’t know why they nerf martial prowess
latent moss
good
minor gust
to make MS better
slow saddle
But jugger should last 30 sec
slow saddle
I don’t know why they nerf martial prowess
Ye why nerf if u can remove!!!
balmy kindle
I don’t know why they nerf martial prowess
So they can juice MS
slow saddle
Mp is fuckin dumb
latent moss
now both blord and exhil blows are stronger
balmy kindle
Get rid of modifiers, make MS great again
balmy kindle
You just want legion arms 
chrome frost
I mean you can just buff the dmg of MS without nerfing martial prowess
slow saddle
I mean you can just buff the dmg of MS without nerfing martial prowess <:okayge:...
No
We want less of, avatar-cs-mp-ep-trinket. No crit get rekt
weary hull
bruh who let them cook
slow saddle
A drunk mofo prob
thick kelp
you guys are missing the vision here
balmy kindle
Why, changes are kinda ok ?
weary hull
i dont wanna play demo in st
balmy kindle
now if you like slayer arms then oof
slow saddle
The new demo might be
tacit crystal
@latent moss hi
latent moss
we shouldnt
chrome frost
Honestly, arms seems to have never been SS tier since the mythic+ was established. That’s fair to let arms op just one time
slow saddle
I presume 15% cleave + 30% mp reduction is a loss
slow saddle
Honestly, arms seems to have never been SS tier since the mythic+ was establishe...
We wont be
thick kelp
Honestly, arms seems to have never been SS tier since the mythic+ was establishe...
brok skipped legion
latent moss
idk maybe but we can play blademasters now
slow saddle
idk maybe but we can play blademasters now
That i would love
Feels so bad skipping torments
chrome frost
brok skipped legion
Just few weeks
slow saddle
Can blizzard cook up a new st torment pls
balmy kindle
New talent has slightly more ways to cook
Roar and spear or roar and torment will be a thing
Can even go both roar talents with blade masters
balmy kindle
Yeah but since it's 5% it stings less ( as per archis remarks)
waxen elbow
@latent moss @warped plume @strange perch @waxen elbow @finite mantle hi
tacit crystal
<@692035495718551564> <@224911589763973120> <@456226577798135808> <@21950023588...
you didnt say hi
chrome frost
Feels like Warriors get nerf immediately every time when it’s op.
plucky fern
does someone has a slight idea why the fuck is bloodsurge nerfed
this talent was so bad already
plucky fern
great changes to class tree honestly, 10% stamina and 4% avoidance gain + access to torments now, everything we wanted from class tree kinda, but all the other changes doesnt make sence, just straight up small nerfs to talents that nobody used anyway
slow saddle
Ye bloodsurge why😁
chrome frost
yah only good
plucky fern
bloodborne nerfe also why, in latest arms build you didnt pick that anyway just had no spare points for that
but maybe now you dont pick execute talents now because of colossus nerf idk need sims updated to know
slow saddle
Its coz of collosus buffs
plucky fern
which buffs
slow saddle
But if they just fix class three im quite happy
plucky fern
its only nerfs, execute now dont give a stack of colossus might
slow saddle
which buffs
15%dmg to baseline ms
slow saddle
Dont matter
plucky fern
but again need sims to know
plucky fern
what do you mean dont matter xd
you cant just spam ms you know buddy it has cd
thick kelp
dont expect sims before like february xdd
candid pecan
dont forget this is 6% dmg increase, up from 5%
plucky fern
you press OP more than you press MS
minor gust
what do you mean dont matter xd
you cant just spam ms you know buddy it has cd
blord and EB have something to say here soon
plucky fern
first of all even if you win slot machine and get resets you just run out of rage
slow saddle
Send ragaver
Get more ms
Also we do habe decent amounts of rage with bl
And skyfury
plucky fern
some copium theorycrafting right there
plucky fern
go run a sim with ep and bl and check now many overpowers it still presses
chrome frost
I thinks the real problem is the tierset of arms
slow saddle
Nah its better than current
slow saddle
Ye
plucky fern
yeah good talk not gonna continue arguing, if you really belive that its buffs let it be, but you are high on copium
slow saddle
Still a tier of demo as bis i love
slow saddle
Of slayer and demo demo will win in st i reckon
And in m+ i reckon its good as well
That current m+ build will be closer to raid build🤣
plucky fern
Of slayer and demo demo will win in st i reckon
after that message im sure you are just trolling at that point
slow saddle
For real? Its allready decently close
balmy kindle
Slayer Sims significantly higher but it's assuming alot of perfect shit
Surely I can hold that 15 stack
slow saddle
Before 35%
chrome frost
The logic of tier set looks weird. Op have 15% chance to remove the Winning streak. And the 4 sets make the frequency of Op increase since it reduces the cooldown of op. Wouldn't this make it more difficult to stack the winning streak?
thick kelp
Guys opinions on 11.1
balmy kindle
TBF it's the first announcements surely blizz will notice
plucky fern
yeah tier set looks trash
slow saddle
Realisticly we will prob still only use op to reset ms
plucky fern
kinda sadge
slow saddle
U just dont run out of op procs in winming streak?
plucky fern
you will still use your normal rotation
thick kelp
holup bad screenie
latent moss
Guys opinions on 11.1
highest simming talent tree ye[
plucky fern
but dps will be a slot machine
thick kelp
highest simming talent tree ye[
Check the bloodsurge tech
since it only procs from DW now
slow saddle
Guys opinions on 11.1
No avatar kek?
plucky fern
cursed
balmy kindle
No avatar
chrome frost
The frequency of op is already high in this season
thick kelp
sks makes your DW tick more = more bloodsurge rage
plucky fern
ravager->bs and we have a deal
thick kelp
- it generates 15 rage
plucky fern
and dance of death bis
thick kelp
im not picking it for bleed dam
plucky fern
dont forget
plucky fern
you get it that bloodsurge is nerfed? its still 10% proc chance, but only from dw now (was all bleeds) and 3 rage instead of 5
thick kelp
Yes
plucky fern
classic blizzard shooting dead talent in its head
thick kelp
but
plucky fern
to make sure its dead
slow saddle
Hahh
thick kelp
on the rend rage gen from bloodsurge
slow saddle
Theres no way we dont take avatar though
plucky fern
no bleed builds would actually be viable if there was a single good talent to pick instead of bleeds
thick kelp
protest by not picking it
plucky fern
but theres literally nothing
you can drop rend yeah but theres nothing else to pick
dead talents all over
slow saddle
Make rend baseline
empty sluice
its gonna be sad if they dont change anything in arms tree
thick kelp
and bloodsurge is big rage gen
slow saddle
I mean fatality still is bad as well dmg wise soo
plucky fern
the biggest joke is that blizz really think that 'arms is in a good place'
because its somewhat playable in raid
thick kelp
Fatality is actually decent but its overshadowed by how we cnat afford to take it due to how OP unhigned is
plucky fern
on 2 bosses
slow saddle
Nono they didnt say that
minor gust
fatality and wrecking throw much deserved buffs when
plucky fern
latent moss
arms peak
minor gust
depressing to read isnt it
plucky fern
the guy writing that probably last played wow in vanilla
or otherwise i dont know what kind of bullshit is that
dim basalt
slow saddle
Arms has caught fury strays entire expansion
dim basalt
Pwar was in a good place
slow saddle
Fury is good though
dim basalt
Emphasis on "was"
slow saddle
Nah fury is good
plucky fern
mediocre m+
dim basalt
Fury is all numbers
slow saddle
Arms problem isnt numbers
dim basalt
Arms and now pwar have different issues
balmy kindle
Fury 5 T cap is not fine
plucky fern
in a game where tier s classes all have uncapped shit
balmy kindle
It's so dog when you can't do anything on big pulls
balmy kindle
Prior damage when everyone is blasting uncap 
slow saddle
Have good st
dim basalt
M+ is mostly about prio damage though
plucky fern
idk why people think current fury design is fine
5 target caps, one big burst then 90 seconds of nothing, meh
slow saddle
it would be fine
Its numbers though m8
latent moss
the fact that fury loses to uncap classes
slow saddle
That can be tuned
waxen elbow
you didnt say hi
Hi
balmy kindle
Like every time I have to play fury in keys I cringe due to 5 T cap
slow saddle
But its always good. So baseline in medium keys fury slaps
balmy kindle
Once the survivability is not required it's balls
slow saddle
Does outliers slap more yes
balmy kindle
You only play Thane fury though and it's mostly because you don't die while doing ok damage
slow saddle
Once the survivability is not required it's balls
Which is always needed in m+🤣 and prog
plucky fern
But its always good. So baseline in medium keys fury slaps
'fury good' yea go try to join a pug key if fury is good
balmy kindle
Yes but bruh it's pain
plucky fern
slow saddle
'fury good' yea go try to join a pug key if fury is good
I do quite easily in the vault weekly keys
chrome frost
That’s stupid too. I don’t get it. Fury have 5t limited and still can’t win with some classes in 5T situation
slow saddle
If u want above 11s it gets rough fast
plucky fern
who cares about +10s we are talking about actually playing the game
dim basalt
Sure
slow saddle
Its good
plucky fern
if you are carried by better classes
slow saddle
Outliers are better
slow saddle
If u want meta, play what ever is meta
plucky fern
its outliers, THEY are good, not their classes
slow saddle
Well the point is sev solutions
To the same fights
Meta is just what ppl presume tbh
chrome frost
But dmg warriors have never been the meta
slow saddle
To an extend, but u will be stopped by ya own skill before furys limitations m8
plucky fern
i love when people say ' well but theres noxiv/banshers/whatever else outlier and he pushes 18'
yeah and theres 100000 people playing that class that cant join a +12 ever because nobody needs you
slow saddle
Thats nothing to do with warrior
balmy kindle
If getting invited is what you wish aug voker is the best
And good they are getting banished
dim basalt
Yeah thats not a warrior issue
plucky fern
i with to play the game with a class i enjoy
slow saddle
Make a team
plucky fern
not being a fucking support lizard
slow saddle
For real
dim basalt
With other words you just want warrior to be op so they get invited
slow saddle
Crying about pugs
dim basalt
But guess what
That does not guarantee you invitations
Because you will compete with hundreds of other players who also play the op spec then
slow saddle
At any push level u need to build at least a network of players
plucky fern
im just making a point about 'warrior good' lol
dont think that im crying about pugs here i have a team and i kinda can play the game, but the situation with balance is cringe
plucky fern
the only way to play is to find an off-meta team which is not that easy
balmy kindle
Desper does have a point though, pugs are miserable
chrome frost
Legion arms
Focused rage got nerf immediately in legion.
plucky fern
99% of players looking for m+ group want 'aug disc ppal ench fdk'
meta slaves everywhere
slow saddle
Desper does have a point though, pugs are miserable
Puggin above 11 is
balmy kindle
Yeap, NGL it's why I stoped at 11s
dim basalt
Oh even below 11
slow saddle
But puggin in 10-11 is fun
dim basalt
I tried to join 7s with my ele yesterday
Took forever
Just for the ppal to int the first boss on NW
balmy kindle
Even healing has pugs picking
plucky fern
well yes i guess the game is great if you just chill and do weeklys, everything works here
balmy kindle
Gl finding lobbies as resto druid
chrome frost
yes arms players need to pick the shields so that they can join
plucky fern
yes arms players need to pick the shields so that they can join
not anymore, you can sit in a queue for hour as pwar as well
because your name is not pink
slow saddle
High level content requires highlevels of dedication
balmy kindle
Pwar kinda struggling too
chrome frost
not anymore, you can sit in a queue for hour as pwar as well
That’s true
balmy kindle
Even pink tank needs his disc buddy to play higher keys
chrome frost
Everyone wants paladins
chrome frost
And prow got nerf hard in next season
slow saddle
Then class diversity will risr
dim basalt
The way to fix it, is to make more rewards from 10-15keys
It wont fix it
slow saddle
Atm only degens go above 12
dim basalt
The fix is to not make keys deplete
slow saddle
Nah
balmy kindle
I think it will help tho
slow saddle
Deplete = good
balmy kindle
Anything that rewards more is good
plucky fern
ok i guess the conclusion is arms great in +10 keys everything else doesnt matter stop complaining warrior nerds
🤓
dim basalt
More rewards mean nothing if the content becomes substantially harder
= higher chance to deplete
slow saddle
ok i guess the conclusion is arms great in +10 keys everything else doesnt matte...
Arms is actually better at 12
dim basalt
And dont get any rewards at all
slow saddle
Deplete does nothing though just go again 11
balmy kindle
Honestly idm they do either, just increase player participation
Instead of discouraging
slow saddle
Honestly idm they do either, just increase player participation
U need rewards for that
balmy kindle
Yeap I agree with you as well on more rewards for sure
slow saddle
Hmm i reckon mby not loose key lvl if u complete key
dim basalt
or that
slow saddle
But if u dont complete de9letion
slow saddle
Reward ppl sticking through and learning
plucky fern
the problem is not keys being able to deplete, its how EASY its to deplete the key in this season
slow saddle
If not pugs will leave any high key 1st whipe or go again
dim basalt
the problem is not keys being able to deplete, its how EASY its to deplete the k...
And its getting worse next season
balmy kindle
the problem is not keys being able to deplete, its how EASY its to deplete the k...
Easy to deplete + no incentive to learn = really bad
plucky fern
if keys wont deplete it removes the trill of running a key, it doesnt matter if you die because you dont lose the key, just reenter go again, idk if thats what we need, probably will become boring
but yeah they need to do smth with keys being depleted after a single wipe
slow saddle
At a 15 im fine with it
But spawn locations
Just remove those 15 seconds or we spawn b4 spot we died
plucky fern
the changes they introduce doesnt matter, they are targeted on 'weekly runners', 12 and lower cant deplete but anyone who tries to do harder content will still suffer
its like blizzard is forcing players to become casual
imagine doing that as game dev lmao
dim basalt
The thing is
12 and lower cant deplete if you have the av
Which is at 2850
At which point it doesnt matter
slow saddle
🤣🤣
plucky fern
yeah true
dim basalt
Its soooo stupid
slow saddle
But some pain is needed
plucky fern
better nerf bloodsurge
dim basalt
yes
plucky fern
bleed nerfs dont make any sence at all
its just randomised changes by ai
im sure nobody at blizz actually works on warriors
slow saddle
Unless u want spear
chrome frost
yes i think so
chrome frost
I sure that the designer have never played warriors
chrome frost
I thought the situation would get better after Microsoft acquired Blizzard. And it’s not true
plucky fern
everything that microsoft touches goes to shit
chrome frost
They don’t even have dedicated designers for each classes
slow saddle
We could use warrior dev ye
I still thini just hire like archie or one pf those players
halcyon valve
plucky fern
its really funny that blizzard intended to give us an option to pick torments
and yet nobody still gonna pick them because the problem is torments are not worth a point even if you have an extra one
slow saddle
Some1 who can look at overall playstyle
slow saddle
its really funny that blizzard intended to give us an option to pick torments
an...
They gave us 1 torment
chrome frost
classes without designers are like children without a mother
slow saddle
And burned the other1 down
chrome frost
No one cares
halcyon valve
The real torment are the slams we pressed along the way
plucky fern
your standarts are very low if slam is a decent filler
literally worst spell in the game, vanilla level of design
slow saddle
NOT having to spend 4 talent points for it to be good
slow saddle
Ye i mean desper just go play ret or something
plucky fern
bonk the target do zero damage, 0 interactions with other abilities, just barely beating rend as a filler
yeah decent i guess
plucky fern
look at other classes fillers
slow saddle
By the love of god i dont want slam to buff something
Main filler is op
It does something
void sigil
By the love of god i dont want slam to buff something
Never, never would I ever want this to happen
chrome frost
Just delete slam
slow saddle
How is that no interaction
slow saddle
Coz my guy wants slam to have more interactions
plucky fern
yeah idk if the only interaction you can come by is 'buffing something'
then as someone said you really lack vision
slow saddle
But it has interactions
I gave u 2 things?
Cd reduction
Op proc
It does plenty
void sigil
But it has interactions
It does indeed have interactions, which is true, but I do audibly "ew" every time I have to press the button still
slow saddle
It does indeed have interactions, which is true, but I do audibly "ew" every tim...
I mean pushing it thrice suxx
chrome frost
It does indeed have interactions, which is true, but I do audibly "ew" every tim...
true
slow saddle
Pushing it 1s or twice is fine
void sigil
I mean pushing it thrice suxx
slow saddle
Its like pushing ww on slayer
chrome frost
disgusting ability
slow saddle
In st
plucky fern
'reducing cd' is not really a slam interaction, its tactitian doing that which is a different ability
its a rage dump but a very bad one
brittle fiber
noticed people saying arms struggles with survivability, but i've been running this build in keys and i haven't been dying.
halcyon valve
Give proc that makes slam nuke a target
plucky fern
bring sos back thats a slam interaction i want
brittle fiber
i've been kicked from a few keys, but i think the tanks didint know what they were talking about. the mobs running away from intimidating shout means less damage
halcyon valve
noticed people saying arms struggles with survivability, but i've been running t...
💀
void sigil
noticed people saying arms struggles with survivability, but i've been running t...
What the hell is this
brittle fiber
my max survival build
brittle fiber
yes but it's also staying alive
halcyon valve
Should take arterial bleed for more fbv healing
brittle fiber
true, but i saw it's when ytou haven't taken damage which unfortunately isn't possible in a key
so i decided to put that in crackling thunder to slow down any melee mobs to save my tank
brittle fiber
i've never gone below 35%. That's what bitter immunity is for
dim basalt
With that build any tank would outdps you in keys
So might as well play a tank spec
But I assume its a ragebait
plucky fern
are people really thinking its a serious build hes just trolling
dim basalt
ye
naive sage
noticed people saying arms struggles with survivability, but i've been running t...
There is literally 0 reason not to pick avatar and to choose spear over roar
chrome frost
arms will be tanky enough only if you keep the defensive stance
brittle fiber
There is literally 0 reason not to pick avatar and to choose spear over roar
don't need avatar if the mobs are pinned to the floor
naive sage
don't need avatar if the mobs are pinned to the floor
Ok it’s trolling, fair
steep osprey
Arms might be a lot more tanky with new talent rework
brittle fiber
come on you really expect someone to have an answer for every talent like that
if they weren't trolling
chrome frost
You don’t care about the dmg anyway.
void sigil
the best part of this build is jugg
^ its marvelous
brittle fiber
i thought about going into fatality but that may have been too obvious
oh wait i forgot battle lord and finishing blows which gives more rage gen for ignore pain dump
dim basalt
come on you really expect someone to have an answer for every talent like that
I have seen unholy things before
brittle fiber
serious question though: is fast footwork really that necessary in a raid setting
brittle fiber
thinking if fast footwork is worth dropping for spear or cruel strikes
in the new talent tree^
plucky fern
how the hell is that a decision
brittle fiber
im returning to warrior after 3 years man
chrome frost
arms actually need an ability that consume rage without gcd. The rage spending is a problem too. It’s almost impossible to spend all the rage now. That’s disgusting to use slam to spend rage
brittle fiber
so cruel strikes then?
plucky fern
focused rage 🙏
thick kelp
no
steep osprey
You guys happy with the changes
plucky fern
You guys happy with the changes
slam is still in the game so no
plucky fern
to drop any of those 4
i bet spear > cruel strikes
halcyon valve
I certainly love having 4 2 point talents in my capstones after they were removed or reduced to 1 pointers for many other classes
thick kelp
pain and gain is not a real node as its healing is not noticeable really
but u can drop honed reflex point and put that anywhere u like
plucky fern
both spear talents are like 5% dps gain, i doubt 2% crit will do the same
thick kelp
same with the leap followup node
chrome frost
Focused rage was disgusting too in legion since rage gen is low at that time. But now rage gen is huge, I think it is a good timing to add back the focused rage
brittle fiber
there is whole tree
i'm guessing this is thane?
thick kelp
i'm guessing this is thane?
slayer and colossus
plucky fern
they actually made our rage econ real
yeah but a good spender will do that
brittle fiber
why intervene over storm bolt?
plucky fern
how else you fix rage econ
brittle fiber
enjoy your orange parse nerd, i'll be pink parsing 😎
thick kelp
strange perch
arms actually need an ability that consume rage without gcd. The rage spending i...
Remove slam
strange perch
Better yet, make slam reduce cd of colossus smash
plucky fern
make slam actually slamming the ground with your fat body like we are mma wrestlers
10/10 design
chrome frost
In dragonflight, arms can use ignore pain and big whirlwind to spend rage in order to reset op and reduce the cd of CS
deft dew
I am very interrogative of the 4set point to reduce 75% of the cd of an ability that already have a chance to reset its cd in the base kit. Am I the only one?
plucky fern
peak blizzard at best
wouldnt be amazed if this tier set reduced the cooldown of slam
chrome frost
I am very interrogative of the 4set point to reduce 75% of the cd of an ability ...
Yes that design is problematic
plucky fern
but jokes aside, 4p bonus i guess expects us to 'spam' op in those proc windows
with x% damage bonus
chrome frost
I don’t know why some people think that’s good
dim basalt
Who thinks its good
plucky fern
nobody thinks its good
deft dew
but jokes aside, 4p bonus i guess expects us to 'spam' op in those proc windows
would be nice if maybe Op could stack to 3 or 4, but with 2 stacks buff... meh
chrome frost
And they nerf martial prowess too
brittle fiber
better yet get rid of overpower and slam, just give us mortal strike and execute
fuck it
plucky fern
nah overpower is fine button
brittle fiber
If Slam has a million haters I'm one of them. If Slam has one hater it's me. If Slam has 0 haters I have died. If the world is against Slam I am with the world, if the world is for Slam I am against the world.
chrome frost
Every arms player hate slam
brittle fiber
i actually think it's fine it just needs something attached to it
plucky fern
chrome frost
That prove that the designers have never played arms
deft dew
nah overpower is fine button
It is fine, it's just, if we are not rage starve already, why do you want OP to proc more? Wouldn't it be better to make OP procs more relevant like it buff MS x% more? Idk
plucky fern
well we are still not sure how exactly it works
it says 'op buffed by 20% and recharges 75% faster for 2 second per stack'
but what exactly is 'per stack'? is that damage or is that duration
if its damage then lets say you consumed 10 stacks, op deals 200% more damage
yeah id want to spam it
fresh spire
Stack of the ms buff
plucky fern
yeah i know, i mean what increased per consumed stack
damage or duration
of op buff
fresh spire
Imo when you proc the set. You behave faster cooldowns for 2 seconds x stacks and 20% damage flat
So you basically ms and op weave faster and never slam
Wanna see my true fear of 11.1
weak rain
told you, that the fact that we have 2 talents in 2hand specialization will result in skipping 1 talent elsewhere
weak rain
fuck
fresh spire
Freeing that single point from two handed has sorta made an awkward situation where
fresh spire
If we don't need wild strike/cruel. We can take uproar AND Warlords now
But. Spear
deft dew
So you basically ms and op weave faster and never slam
the point is, your MS cd isn't 75% faster, so are you really weaving? Or just overcaping on OP buff?
fresh spire
Battlelord resets
1n slayer i imagine it's just a full slam replacement and you go ham with op when no ms
deft dew
Battlelord resets
Yeah, feels really gambling but I guess it's the patch fantasy
plucky fern
well if it works like that im down
fresh spire
Likely will still play 1/2
Unless finishing strikes becomes a hidden goat with set bonus in execute
plucky fern
execute stocks should kinda rise up with the nerf to mp, and buff to baseline ms, EP is now stronger isnt it
you want exe-exe-ms now
fresh spire
Ep always been strong
Was just ms had less value vs execute in slayer
Ms was already neck and neck with execute in colossus
chrome frost
well we are still not sure how exactly it works
it says 'op buffed by 20% and re...
Should be the duration
If you have 10 stacks, the buff of op will last for 20s
plucky fern
would be nice to know proc change of lucky draw
is that possible to see decent uptime on that OP buff or no
thick kelp
strange perch
@latent moss @warped plume @strange perch @waxen elbow @finite mantle @tacit crystal hi
plucky fern
so like 13-15 stacks for minute
thick kelp
around so
chrome frost
Someone said that it is not ppm of ending the stack
deft dew
Imagine OP has Actually a chance to reduce your next MS damage
thick kelp
kino
plucky fern
well if 'OP recharge' buff will have less than 50% uptime then the whole idea of 'no slam' is dead
this tier set really looks trash then idk
thick kelp
cinema spec when my op makes my next MS do 20% less damage
strange perch
Packleader rework looks so cool hope it will be good!
chrome frost
never consume stacks keep that 20% ms buff <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
Make sense
chrome frost
They nerf martial prowess so I think it’s ok to not press the op during execution period
slow saddle
new meta arms rotation
U mean charge
plucky fern
oh yeah charge weaving is back
slow saddle
If this is live bis spec imma laugh my arse off
chrome frost
jugg enjoyers rise up
This build don’t require 4set anymore
plucky fern
probably a slayer build tbh
deft dew
never consume stacks keep that 20% ms buff <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
well OP buff is 30% MS buff per stacks so it will be anyway better to have 1 OP buff than 10 2P stacks, but it's just boring
chrome frost
I miss the double MS in shadowland
plucky fern
well OP buff is 30% MS buff per stacks so it will be anyway better to have 1 OP ...
15% per stack they nerfed mp
deft dew
15% per stack they nerfed mp
oh my bad y
weak rain
well OP buff is 30% MS buff per stacks so it will be anyway better to have 1 OP ...
It should've been nerfed long ago
slow saddle
But almost ye
weak rain
op buff giving 30% is jsut stupid imo
slow saddle
Ye
chrome frost
well OP buff is 30% MS buff per stacks so it will be anyway better to have 1 OP ...
15% per stack now
slow saddle
15% shouls only stack once
naive sage
Blizzard stop making overpower so important
slow saddle
No 2 stacks
chrome frost
Op is just another slam if they nerf it hard
plucky fern
for this tierset to be good they have to buff OP baseline damage as well
so its an actual button
now a better slam
latent moss
colossus arms never press demolish
sit on 10 stacks of colossal might
for more op damage
slow saddle
The fear
thick kelp
🎦
chrome frost
I think they should reduce the cd of MS otherwise it’s difficult to spend more rage
plucky fern
kinda
but again it will still be rng
you might not hit that 15% for a minute
and still will be slamming
halcyon valve
Making up in my mind that our rotation will be exclusively op and ms
2 button spec here we go
slow saddle
Rets of wow
weak wave
sit on 10 stacks of colossal might
Is this true or just trolling?
candid pecan
i don't fully understand the 4 set.
If overpower removes 1 stack of Winning streak, then Overpower deals 20% additional damage and recharges 75% faster for 2 seconds.
if overpower removes 10 stacks of Winning streak, then Overpower deals 20% additional damage and recharges 75% faster for 20 seconds?
slow saddle
Is this true or just trolling?
Prob trollin unless they buff op to much
thick kelp
i don't fully understand the 4 set.
If overpower removes 1 stack of Winning st...
2nd one
most likely
dim basalt
i don't fully understand the 4 set.
If overpower removes 1 stack of Winning st...
Exactly yes
candid pecan
Making up in my mind that our rotation will be exclusively op and ms
same here, if i'm not mistaken, the 75% faster recharge will make overpower have a 3 second cd . (not to mention tactician + EB + Battlelord). 2 button spec lets go
dim basalt
Inb4 they make Jugg also Buff OP
halcyon valve
More realistic that the sub 35% op gives rage gets back the op dmg it had before that talent was split in two
chrome frost
I have checked other class’s tierset. Only arms use filler to end the winning streak. That’s stupid
halcyon valve
does the buffs to MS/cleave open up any new builds
I doubt it tbh
Maybe youll take warlords torment again for reduced cleave cd?
During avatar that is
quasi torrent
cant sim yet
just use overrides buddy
halcyon valve
Because buffed cleave with 1x martial prowess does more than before
But at 2x martial prowess its worse
thick kelp
Only thing over rides tell us is that exh > 2/2 bb
quasi torrent
Manually give things according to talent tree changes
thick kelp
and thats the only change for both specs
quasi torrent
(real and viable and time efficient thing to do)
thick kelp
(real and viable and time efficient thing to do)
what better way to spend christmas and ny
steep osprey
when is christmas
quasi torrent
yes
halcyon valve
They still didn't fix execute rage economy for colossus
I love getting 3 eb procs in a row and then being out of rage for 10 seconds
quasi torrent
just proc the windfury thing
woven wasp
quasi torrent
Or is wep dmg
woven wasp
He is unaware of weapon damage scaling
quasi torrent
in it too now
thick kelp
quasi torrent
im not going on simc github rn
quasi torrent
it is in simc for sure for real
thick kelp
it could be that buffed IP is 3 million shield per cast or 30 million per cast
quasi torrent
in the player module somewhere surely.... maybe engine
thick kelp
(its 3 million after reasonable math)
woven wasp
thick kelp
<a:chatting:1266019851743399996> https://www.wowhead.com/news/battle-for-azeroth...
@calm vessel
math dropped
quasi torrent
(Primary Stat + Weapon DPS * 6) is now referred to as "attack power".
Unless i read past something useful, this is what u were looking for
steep osprey
does raid have 1.5m str cd
quasi torrent
do we know that yet
steep osprey
Well, some people are linking some trinkets on other discords so I assume yes
there's one
candid pecan
surely, maybe the new dungeon will have 1.5m strength trinket, or we're stuck with 639 transmitter
steep osprey
It has to
If it doesn't then it's a big gear design problem
HOLY
THE WHOLE CREW??
GOON??
Gooner squad
dim basalt
Surely they did that on purpose
candid pecan
summon the goon squad during cds
halcyon valve
ATTENTION: CALLING ALL GOONS
steep osprey
icy mulch
Oh man, I can tell you're all young. Goon use to mean thug, big dumb and strong, willing to hurt ppl for fun.
steep osprey
steep osprey
Unfortunate
dim basalt
3 min is better than 2 min
steep osprey
Hoping the new dungeon has 1.5m
woven wasp
Batchest we love 3m trinkets
steep osprey
I mean, the lightning blast looks insane
ngl
almost half a mill
and each subsequent gets buffed by 100%
that's pretty big
woven wasp
On a 3m cd when you'll be doing over 2M dps?
steep osprey
The fact that it gives less str than Transmitter is cursed
icy mulch
Just means we'll be able to use two on use trinkets.
woven wasp
Well you're looking at a 623 item
boreal quartz
@thick kelp holy fuck im glad im prolly not playinh next tier
woven wasp
Yes, because of the game
thick kelp
<@865605822638063647> holy fuck im glad im prolly not playinh next tier
why
why are u glad
woven wasp
And it'll give less because of the lightning blasts
steep osprey
I think it's cool
woven wasp
Just means we'll be able to use two on use trinkets.
No? What?
thick kelp
i looooove gambling
woven wasp
you don't equip a trinket just to hold it for a minute to use it with cds
(Unless it's fight specific like broodtwister)
thick kelp
plucky fern
Surely new dungeon has 1.5m str
new trinket mark of gooners
steep osprey
we used a 3m cd in df and it was fine
icy mulch
No ... for good reason.
Wasn't there a really good trinket from ToP?
I remember puzzle box from da other side.
woven wasp
anyone remember shadowlands 5min trinket
We loved aligning 30% vers trinket with anduin intermission