#arms
boreal quartz
dull siren
xdd
strange perch
why is tee uhm why here
dull siren
ur old
dull siren
i was competing with my own parse on ansurek and i lost 15stacks of jugg as we pop BL
silk spade
i was competing with my own parse on ansurek and i lost 15stacks of jugg as we p...
me when SD doesnt proc and slayers strike doesnt proc and jugg falls off and SD doesnt proc and slayers strike gets parried and SD doesnt proc and execute gets parried and slayers strike doesnt proc and BS doesnt come back up in time and reap the storm doesnt proc SD doesnt proc and slayers strike doesnt proc and jugg falls off and SD doesnt proc and reap the storm doesnt proc
dull siren
me when SD doesnt proc and slayers strike doesnt proc and jugg falls off and SD ...
real
@silk spade
Ansurek
the fkin drop in the end xdd
silk spade
tragedy
silk spade
ty
floral sierra
for da speed and da heal
both weapons with lifestealing
basically put lifestealing on both and just go whirlwind straight into TW dungeons lmao
with full build youll be zooming through at 191% speed + nitro boost(309%)
naive sage
me when SD doesnt proc and slayers strike doesnt proc and jugg falls off and SD ...
You forgot colossus smash parried
rotund hinge
hey i just came back since dragonflight s1, i really really enjoyed arms in m+ back then and just wondering if it is still similiar
rotund hinge
still playing double bladestorm?
nova marsh
Double bs no longer exists
Blade masters got reworked to ss
And bs is kinda phased out in general for keys cuz slayer is dead as fuck for keys
teal fossil
Arms has truly given up on st
astral yarrow
arms needs god
quasi torrent
arms needs god
fax
shadow ibex
Surely more gacha caching weakauras in 11.1
WEAK AURA TIER FTW
brittle fiber
🤦♂️
returning to arms warrior, dont mind me
does someone have a WA for it?
otherwise i'll quickly look online
brittle fiber
i use khakhan's WA and don't see the tier set in there
are we allowed to tag theorycrafters in this server?
/ weakaura makers
halcyon valve
Ngl having done those 12s and 13s on saturday, i must admit, tho enemy health n damage is much higher, it feels very relaxing not having to deal with the seasonal affix at all
You kinda just vibe
balmy kindle
boreal quartz
pushing 40
Pushing P
Pushing Pauck
boreal quartz
i was competing with my own parse on ansurek and i lost 15stacks of jugg as we p...
Bro my court wouldve been freaky, rolled a 10 into execute for i2 onwards
And then like 2nd pull Queen i get 13 stacks until we wipe, spent all rng on her ig
tacit crystal
wicked aurora
ya boi was proccin
tacit crystal
are you playing eb
wicked aurora
are you playing eb
nah
or I don't think so idk
just the standard slayer singlr target build
boreal quartz
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1174909633777913936/1318080784980119663/i...
Pls zoom in ur sks and bs a bit more
Look at the edges
Tiny white pixels
wicked aurora
idk I didn't make the WA fam
tacit crystal
hi phl
i cant go night night
@wicked aurora your raid should be put in prison for not letting you kill with that pull
wicked aurora
<@133532617940140032> your raid should be put in prison for not letting you kill...
real and true
tacit crystal
would be a turbo r1
boreal quartz
i cant go night night
Try sts2 trailer analysis
tacit crystal
too depressed to think
i did like 3 keys
0 thoughts
pure zombie
saw a bit at the game show awards wtv thingy looked pog
fresh spire
thick kelp
strange perch
Pushing P
Pushing Pauck
Lol
slow saddle
hmm just did my first 12
12s are more fun than 10
s
i was kindda suprised ngl
no affix to suddenly fuck you over
halcyon valve
yeah its chill
oh lmao just noticed im right behind artji on the arms m+ score EU leaderboard
1 spot behind, exactly 1 rating lower
strange perch
Pushing Pauck down the stair
STOP
STOP
CAN YOU STOP
i uninstalled league of legends sorry.
boreal quartz
CAN YOU STOP
That was cruel of me i apologize
I wish we can play many more jhin karma games
strange perch
no we can't
because i uninstalled league of legends
but
you can stream league of legends on twitch okay
like the website
i'll be watching
and i'll type
let's go phil
and then you are like thanks
boreal quartz
Okay
viral locust
someone maintains the wowhead guides here? - the colossus build for M+ when you click preview links to a slayer build
icy mulch
There is a Colossus one as well.
regal wharf
Bro my court wouldve been freaky, rolled a 10 into execute for i2 onwards
Mfs when I pull down my pants and show the court real silk
halcyon valve
because i uninstalled league of legends
proud of you
viral locust
There is a Colossus one as well.
i mean when you click the colossue "preview" link it takes you to a slayer talent build
icy mulch
Hmm, thar doesn't sound right.
boreal quartz
Mfs when I pull down my pants and show the court real silk
Holy
regal wharf
male nerubians
astral yarrow
i mean when you click the colossue "preview" link it takes you to a slayer talen...
can you link the page specifically
found it
smoky kayak
fixed
viral locust
Nice ty
viral locust
Will get buffed so you feel forced to do content no doubt
No way it lasts 1 week without getting tuned some heroic 626 rings are beating it for alot of specs
paper gulch
I mean they would have to do some serious work to it
The way I'm reading it says The stat weights gained from the A tier gems still dont even come close to a 636 crafted ring with the two stats of your choice (~3002)
thick kelp
They buffed it already and at max ilvl its like a 1% upgrade from a bis 639 ring
sacred zodiac
just go and grab it if you care about making early hc clears and early m prog easier
remember there will be no hc week
paper gulch
They buffed it already and at max ilvl its like a 1% upgrade from a bis 639 ring
I'm sure I'm going to grab it but where is the info that its 1% from a bis 639 ring? What gems were placed in the ring?
icy mulch
https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-good-is-cyrces-circlet-in-patch-11-0-7-353411#c...
Hmm, so it ends up just being a stat stick instead of something cool? /yawn
paper gulch
Hmm, so it ends up just being a stat stick instead of something cool? /yawn
I mean i Hope i'm interpreting this correctly but if the stat sticks are considered A tier and three different colors are available, and the other ones are B and C tier, why would I choose those?
Unless the scaling from the mastery gem is THAT good but then why keep the procs rated so low?
fresh spire
When I check colossus last night it was like .69%. Slayer was around 1%. Fury is closer to 2% as the stats match its wants
icy mulch
By the looks of it, you'll just take the mastery stat, the mastery buffing one, and something.
paper gulch
When I check colossus last night it was like .69%. Slayer was around 1%. Fury is...
That makes sense since mastery is desired more for fury than arms
but I mean, even if I take all 3 stat sticks, I think i'd still rather use two crafted haste rings @636 and get 3002 of each
fresh spire
You get more stats from new ring total but you lose two sockets for em. It's still more but less desired for arms.
paper gulch
Do you have access to a sim that shows the gain in power?
icy mulch
Oh, yeah the crafted stats Arms uses will be better. Hell, using a Binding band might be the play if you play with someone else that has it.
thick kelp
Do you have access to a sim that shows the gain in power?
@fresh spire do u still have it
fresh spire
Uh
fresh spire
While I have the sims the accuracy of then won't be proper until mimiron and raidbots sync tomorrow
As mimiron is missing the .5 week 2 hotfixes as they never went onto ptr
So may change
But rn its around what I said
Likely more when the buffs we got last come on top giving that little extra scaling factor. But still likely going to be under 2%
paper gulch
Do you mind if i get the simc line for it so i can do my own comparison
icy mulch
Except it's what, 6 weeks to get it to 639?
icy mulch
Nothing beats my dancing fox lust wa!
tacit crystal
what audio
boreal quartz
spec fucked
sullen plover
Just don’t use the ring, if it’s not good for us
We need crit more than mastery
Time gate of 6 weeks for it to be competitive (for other classes, not even arms smh) is a terrible idea
icy mulch
Yeah, but they also want max length out of the new area.
gaunt owl
blizzard knows how to milk their audience
hexed saddle
<@137363315817971712> your video was too long
was always gonna be long
shadow ibex
when unhinged casts reduce CD of demolish while im casting demolish
feel like seeing thru the matrix
icy mulch
What would folks here think about an ability for Arms warrior that charged like Dragon's breath charge?
gaunt owl
Demolish is exactly that
bleak fog
Problem with the damn ring is, it will be OP as fuck at some point.. Bliz will sort that
eager sigil
idk not really a problem since everyone will be able to get it
gaunt owl
that's one way to make boring content done
shadow ibex
just give me a ring with crit mast haste that i level up
none of this bullshit put this gem here nonsense
granite night
when playing arms colossus with unhinged plus ravager, do you avoid casting mortal strike before ravager expires ?
same as fury when ravager is up you dont click bloodbath
strange perch
boreal quartz
when playing arms colossus with unhinged plus ravager, do you avoid casting mort...
Nop
Just send it and in execute spam execute
granite night
Does unhinged send mortal strikers either way ?
boreal quartz
Ye
boreal quartz
It does consume ms buffs
boreal quartz
am i tripping? why is stat prio for arms in murloc io versa
Isnt that a pvp site
Xd
tacit crystal
it can filter for all pvp and m+
granite night
can any of you link me an adequate arms aoe/st rotation
cant seem to find one
all i learned is setup all your dots and then send it
tacit crystal
its good
granite night
Arms vers build inc? lol
i was on the pvp page sir x|
sullen plover
It’s ok
quasi torrent
yooo new @hexed saddle video i wont watch
hexed saddle
yooo new <@137363315817971712> video i wont watch
i dont want ur viewership anyways 🥱
quasi torrent
i dont want ur viewership anyways 🥱
🪞
molten zodiac
what sims can take into account slow fingers? i do 20% more as arms than fury in m+
naive sage
i realized i fucking despise arms in m+
Colossus is op
sullen plover
what sims can take into account slow fingers? i do 20% more as arms than fury in...
Same bro
Not just that though. Fury hits like a noodle when everything is on cooldown and mob pulls aren’t big enough to maximize your GCDs in pugs
Colossus sweeping strikes cleave almost always up
And the numbers are even more nasty when the pulls are huge
Chefs kiss when that Demolish goes in
Fury isn’t bad now but definitely felt better before all the nerfs
fringe moon
11.07 updates are disappointing....would've been notice to had some buffs to colossus so the ST was comparable to Slayer.
teal fossil
true lets make slayer irrelevant
nova marsh
They're already close to just killing slayer
And I'm at the point where I aay good let that rng fest DIE
fresh spire
they shot Fury in the back
arms was punished for furys success (what success)
warrior overall in raid is pretty ok tho
we could still be in a way worse position again
sullen plover
Arms always catching strays for no reason
Warcraftlogs taking out all the add damage gives less validity to fury nerfs
slow saddle
I mean the rng fest of slayer... bad rng no juggy into execute
So easy.to fix either remove jug// let it je only 5 stacks
nova marsh
Slayer is dead anyways
halcyon valve
Slayer is dead anyways
good
halcyon valve
Fury is 5 why arms needs to be 15
because arms execute is that much stronger because of it
silk spade
i mean that doesnt change anything
for the moment
oh wait i misread
i am fucking dumb
halcyon valve
mindblowing, they would buff the thing to be bis, after they said their goal was to make it bis for everyone
silk spade
i thought it still started at 619
halcyon valve
actually great change that it starts 639 and ends at 658
halcyon valve
from doing stuff on the isle
halcyon valve
gems drop from the events, storyquesting, worldquests
tacit crystal
halcyon valve
you should be able to get the gems fairly quickly, and once you get one, its available on a vendor somewhere for all your alts
the currency you buy them with then is accountwide so you just send it to your alt and boom done
fresh spire
mgiht end up stackin a little mastery in slayer to push the ring more
paper gulch
take this with a grain of salt
I'm curious what the comparison would be if you had one or two rings crafted @636. For me it was a 0.7% and was equal to the crafted 636 ring, actually a 200 dps loss.
stray crypt
take this with a grain of salt
is this max ilvl?
halcyon valve
658 yes
after current buffs
my own rings were on better than the ring at 639 before
shadow ibex
almost got to dodge dumb open world shit for power this christmas
viral locust
https://pastebin.com/raw/0ZZmfTBh azor shared this one go ham
if you don't trust a rando link
arctic scroll
umm im normally fury and im switching to arms just to do break the meta keys
and why cant i find whirlwind in the arms abilitys to put it on my bars?
latent moss
make cleave apply rend idc
latent moss
me when the execute spec has 0 execute in aoe
ep on cleave
ep personal buff
shit game
reef glade
i did say itd be cool if like the cleave talent just changed ms into a fury ww basically on MS
MS still does full dmg single target but also cleaves damage on aoe to stuff like cleave
trade off would be hitting slam more but eh
who care
shadow ibex
MS and cleave already replace eachother and becomes each other version of slam
depending on how many targets are there
reef glade
like i wouldnt mind if instead of cleave replace ww
shadow ibex
already replace slam with cleave in ST in some cases if u want to min max during MBG and stuff
reef glade
cleave gets built into MS when talented
and you keep a sos ww
cuz its not that bad if you hit it every like 10sec or whatever
some extra circular aoe
shadow ibex
they just need to do shadowlands alpha cleave
if u hit 3+ with WW = you can cast cleave
only make it so 3+ with WW = big frontal MS
ez done
balmy kindle
take this with a grain of salt
Hmm well guess it will replace one of my 636s for sure 
shadow ibex
colossus would feel lack of both MS and cleave with generating demo stacks
but we also abusing a bug to make colossus aoe better so
reef glade
what that the like ravager thing or
shadow ibex
yea
x2 stacks
idk how much % it is but it def makes bursting as colossus feel better
imagine getting x10 stacks without it
no thanks
on court rn and with sweeping ravager i get demo CD down to 36 seconds while casting demolish animation
cuz ravager casts during it add to CDR as if it had max stacks
smoky kayak
imagine how much nicer it'll be once Ravager is no longer bugged! 🙃
shadow ibex
yea i also imagine a world where they identify why its so fun and give max stacks of demo on a button like avatar 
balmy kindle
Why not allow might to stack to 20 stacks in avatar
weak rain
whats the best combination of gems on the new ring ?
sullen plover
Ring starts at 639 and will reach maximum ilvl of 658
Have we discussed this yet or am I missing something haha
Just seeing Daddy Dratnos video now lmao
balmy kindle
Based
plucky fern
oh nice another batch of dk changes in patch notes, but warrior only exists in pvp section
hazy flower
smoky kayak
and pin it here
it's already in guides, there'll be an updates blast tomorrow with all the .07 stuff
smoky kayak
oh nice another batch of dk changes in patch notes, but warrior only exists in p...
War got most of its changes via hotfix over the last few months, and it's in a fairly decent place atm so shouldn't expect much anyway
vale lodge
hey noobish question, im playing slayer and basically every cooldown desyncs, so you just send every cooldown as it comes up (hold for a bit if theyre coming up together)?
tacit crystal
brittle fiber
oh nice another batch of dk changes in patch notes, but warrior only exists in p...
you still maining the dk?
i regret playing monk but i have a feeling it's going to be strong next season
quaint otter
i regret playing monk but i have a feeling it's going to be strong next season
Cope get sp buddy
Or mage
brittle fiber
Cope get sp buddy
range dps 🤮
brittle fiber
yea fire does look fun
quaint otter
Only downside is ure literally nothing outside of combust
Unlike monk and arms who do decent pump anytime
balmy kindle
All mage specs are kinda like that
Do many DPS in cd windows, do f all outside of that
brittle fiber
most range specs seem like that tbf
i mean more or less every class has a burst window now adays, arms pumps but that's because colossal is on such a short cd
balmy kindle
PTSD playing mm hunter and only getting to enjoy the game when true shot is up
quaint otter
Do many DPS in cd windows, do f all outside of that
Frost does alright outside of icy veins
balmy kindle
Oh is it, TBF most frost kinda suck so
balmy kindle
Sorry no trust in mages over here
quaint otter
Well true
Personally i prefer to pick something like woyers and rets to my weeklies
plucky fern
you still maining the dk?
i never mained dk really, was playing this as a second char at start but then i rerolled ench and abandoned dk
brittle fiber
i never mained dk really, was playing this as a second char at start but then i ...
i tried enh but i do not like casino simm
plucky fern
dk felt way too slow, hate being immobile
plucky fern
i tried enh but i do not like casino simm
yeah i can feel that, casino gameplay is what annoys me as well, but at least the gameplay is fluid and mobility is there
plucky fern
War got most of its changes via hotfix over the last few months, and it's in a f...
idk maybe in raid its that way, i dont raid this exp, but in m+ unholy already performed better than both warrior specs, and they got an option to respec frost and become s tier, so arguably in much more 'decent' spot than warriors and still getting changes
other buffs in patch i dont mind, all the other specs needed attention
smoky kayak
"decent" spot means exactly that - decent. It does not mean they are best or that other things aren't circumstantially better
Also keep in mind that just because something is necessarily better doesn't mean it shouldn't get changes; it doesn't really work that way
Keep in mind too that these are targeted changes, not generic +3% auras
plucky fern
yeah i guess you are right, im just disappointed that arms gets nothing this patch, but probably was silly from me to expect anything, knowing blizzard the next arms update is next expansion
at least we got 2.5% dr in a hotfix that changed so much (no)
boreal quartz
11.2 arms rework
smoky kayak
the DR changes are nice, the Demolish bonus in particular often goes overlooked
balmy kindle
at least we got 2.5% dr in a hotfix that changed so much (no)
Idk for the key levels I am doing the Dr increase can be felt
boreal quartz
I mean you cant hold demo for DR unless you turbo die without it
Or rather it's very bad to do so
plucky fern
its nice for sure, but still far behind fury in tankiness
i'd love to see some huge buffs to ignore pain, or buff for avoidance passive from 5 to 10 something like that to be on the same level as fury, so you could play arms and never think that you are griefing because you died but could play fury and maybe survive
smoky kayak
I mean you cant hold demo for DR unless you turbo die without it
Nobody is suggesting holding Demo specifically for DR, but 10% DR for 10s every ~30s is still not a bad bonus
smoky kayak
most combat has some form of unavoidable/rot damage going out, and even if it's not necessarily the life threatening one-tap kind, just having some passive DR here and there is always nice
thick kelp
11.2 arms rework
13.0 arms rework
balmy kindle
Like the survival issue is not a problem unless you are pushing into 16+ though, I am happy doing 10-11s
plucky fern
its already an issue in 14th
balmy kindle
well Thane fury does have around 15% more passive DR for sure
naive sage
Like the survival issue is not a problem unless you are pushing into 16+ though,...
How you do it
I mean being happy with just 10-11
Genuine question
balmy kindle
Get stronger gear with minimal effort and just play other games
Like I am not gonna spend hours pushing an arbitrary score when there's no incentives
naive sage
Got it
Probably it’s my fault for being competitive and ambitious while not having the means to it lmao
balmy kindle
I mean you are not wrong but if you really wanna pump Io score it's 
Life for sure
I just wanna play what I like so
hexed saddle
I mean being happy with just 10-11
treat m+ as a vehicle to get gear for the real content like it was meant to be treated
thick kelp
:baseg
plucky fern
prots are not great for pushing now as well, not playing prot myself but talked with a prot player the other day, its the same queue simulator as for dps war
everyone wants paladins, meta slaves being meta slaves that will never change
and even if you get invited to a key, prot war starts struggling hard at 14+, incoming damage gets to a level where you really struggle to keep up with rage gen to spam that IP
balmy kindle
At that point it's pretty much reroll to X spec
Tbh if you wanna DPS and still get In keys fast in spite of performance I think aug is the best
naive sage
I mean you are not wrong but if you really wanna pump Io score it's <:Protection...
I may be mediocre/decent at doing dps but I really am dogshit at tanking
naive sage
treat m+ as a vehicle to get gear for the real content like it was meant to be t...
Eh
I have a controversial opinion on raiding
plucky fern
At that point it's pretty much reroll to X spec <:deadge:900279927138578432>
yes, unless you are playing with a group that doesnt care about meta which is really hard to find, i've tried for this entire expansion to find a good group where i can fit as dps war, but eventually just gave up and rerolled shaman, waiting for better times 
balmy kindle
TBF wouldn't shaman struggle as well since they are kinda squish? Think at those key levels DK is probably the best
plucky fern
as shaman you have a luxury to use group externals for yourself
naive sage
yes, unless you are playing with a group that doesnt care about meta which is re...
Same
Tbf enha has always been one of my favorite alts so I don’t think I qualify as fotm
thick kelp
survivability is no problem when you have aug, disc + prot pala in grp
u have like 6 externals to rotate on the enha
plucky fern
its a common sence to use sac or spell warding on your shaman as prot pally, pugs even got used to it to a point that you dont have to ask, you just get extenals from people automatically on group aoe abilities
balmy kindle
Lmao shaman privilege for sure
plucky fern
and when you are warrior, well, you survive yourself or else why you are even in a group
balmy kindle
Tbf, rerolling to sham is probably still worse than playing prot war / pal due to tough competition from DPS
Anyone doing push levels are probably close to 639 or mid way
plucky fern
definetly a better option that prot war
and yeah if you have a prot pala and a desire to play that class, then sure its better to reroll ppal
easiest life in pugs
balmy kindle
I think they are marginally better than other tanks outside of protection pal no ? I can be wrong
plucky fern
invited everywhere, can run your own keys, everything in your hands
balmy kindle
True, but it's still pretty funny when inexperienced prot pal brick pulls
plucky fern
I think they are marginally better than other tanks outside of protection pal no...
well its hard to say, basically the meta is ppal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>everyone else
but if you compare to other tanks, even there id say pwar is not the 2nd best, because the higher the key the harder its to maintain IP, at some point you will just ragestarve to death, so other tanks might pull ahead
balmy kindle
I see, I don't play at those key ranges so I still think prot war has an edge due to block
plucky fern
ive seen a few high rio bears and monks, even some chinese dh
but if you check raiderio theres literally nobody playing pwar in high keys
pwar definetly best tank at like 10-12 ranges, you are immortal
the higher the key the worse they are
balmy kindle
Probably because war has like negligible buffs as well
Bear brings motw while DH has mark
I do think ppal at push key ranges is heavily reliant on having disc priest for sure
Pain supp is too good
At key levels like 18, survivability is more of how many juice you can squeeze from specs
plucky fern
yeah, baseline i think ppal is squishier than war, but he just got more and better defensives, combined with two ps charges you live for a minute which is enough for any size pull
balmy kindle
I can be wrong, but I do think Pwar does significantly less damage as well making them less good in higher keys ( cough prot pal dmg)
brittle fiber
11.2 arms rework
11.1 shaman tank spec, 11.2 aug rework, 14.0.5 Arms rework
plucky fern
wow 2 arms rework
fresh spire
Aug removal*
icy mulch
Got it
Probably it’s my fault for being competitive and ambitious while not havi...
That's a fair point. I'm starting on 14s now, and the biggest hurtle is getting invited.
bleak fog
Lets just hope some ppl will come back when .7 hit us..
As for now its kinda dead game 🙂
plucky fern
Lets just hope some ppl will come back when .7 hit us..
they will not, .7 doesnt bring anything to the game, just a slight power up in a ring
no significant balance changes, no new content (boring isle with boring quests just to get the ring doesnt count)
quaint aspen
Currently 3072
Started 1month ago, actually came back after shadowlands. I hit a wall as arms, currently @2.4
Although I’m usually not doing too bad as dps in keys, I hardly get any invites.
To farm crests, had to go prot
icy mulch
Started 1month ago, actually came back after shadowlands. I hit a wall as arms, ...
I played Prot for awhile, then switched to Fury ~2500 range.
quaint aspen
It doesn’t matter, same stuff as fury
I do better as arms with my current gear (crit optimised).
icy mulch
Both Warrior dps specs have a bad community perspective. Not much can change that until Blizzard shifts the meta.
quaint aspen
Fury started good, now it doesn’t look very promising.
Arms output ain’t bad, but it’s a bit dull
naive sage
Both Warrior dps specs have a bad community perspective. Not much can change tha...
This
I can’t remember a btm without arms featuring
daring heron
I can’t remember a btm without arms featuring
it's part of arms' class fantasy
naive sage
it's part of arms' class fantasy
Real (we are cooked)
icy mulch
it's part of arms' class fantasy
bleak fog
I started season as fury but recrafted all my gear to arms..
Enjoy arms more then fury
foggy quiver
i think arms does slightly more dmg in m+ right now
cunning jewel
Fury was impressive in aoe in the beginning of the season in MM+ and raids but i prefer arms too
halcyon valve
it's part of arms' class fantasy
Everybody loves a good underdog story
icy mulch
Well, if they didn't reduce our AoE cap Fury would still be way ahead of arms. It's roughly equal now as far as output.
silk spade
it's part of arms' class fantasy
naive sage
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046046500578406479/1268595618625093682/D...
Lmao
fresh spire
Demolish unironically feels good now
Doesn't help the reset of the spec plays poop though
Only took 4 buffs
When it crits insane dopamine
When it don't crit. Insane bruh
naive sage
Demolish would be great if it didn’t hit for 1.4m non critted
fresh spire
Wouldn't mind if they normalised it's damage
So crit chance was just flat damage and it couldn't crit etc
So it was consistsnt
livid cloak
Currently 3072
Huge. I'm still at 2960.
Only done 1 13 so far been very close on 3 more but just not enough to get across the finish line
On arms
So I've been working on a blood dk alt to get the high of IO gain again lol
Was so close on a gb13 but we wiped on last boss and key bricked
Heartbreaker
Blood is fun though. I'm hoping to hit 3k on the old arms before end of season
strange perch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046046500578406479/1268595618625093682/D...
cringe gif
icy mulch
I want Arms to be the better, but until some things get a rework or talent pruning etc. it won't happen.
icy mulch
cringe gif
It's not wrong though
silk spade
cringe gif
ok
strange perch
I want Arms to be the better, but until some things get a rework or talent pruni...
Arms is great, it just needs more cleave and mortal strike buffs.
Single hit of MS must deplete 25% of target's health bar.
frigid spoke
Anyone know the best rotation for damage ?
livid cloak
And execute talents rework
silk spade
delete jugg and mp
livid cloak
Cleave bloodletting
strange perch
All WoW classes and specs suffer from FOTM build and rotation designs.
Talent trees are good, but provide no functional diversity in their end-game format, even with extra sub-classes (e.g. colossus. thane, slayer).
Rotation are destilled into "obey the sequence and perform well" or "deverge from sequence and fail".
dim basalt
And it will never be any different
strange perch
I am not advocating for button/skill bloat.
strange perch
And it will never be any different
It can be. Looks at Age of Conan and their combat system.
dim basalt
"Look at <game that literally nobody knows>"
In theory you can achieve that, but its practically impossible
thick kelp
old talent trees were better
dim basalt
Thats how minmaxing works
strange perch
Having 2 talent trees per character (class + spec) was a very good move, so perhaps another solution is to trim amount of points allowed to spend in each tree.
strange perch
not if trees are redesigned.
dim basalt
silk spade
not if trees are redesigned.
then what would change
naive sage
remove stupid talents like two hand specialization and overpower damage increase into hero tree
dim basalt
A redesign will do nothing but bring up other issues
Because balance cannot be perfected
frigid spoke
I just want to maximize my arms damage output - I think I’m severely lacking in that area
strange perch
Nobody cares about balance.
dim basalt
Same applies to design anyway
strange perch
I just want to maximize my arms damage output - I think I’m severely lacking in ...
stack overpower, stack executor, press ms/cleave
maintain bleed
In worst case train with "Hekili" addon
frigid spoke
Thanks! I look into that and see where that takes me. I’ve been doing mythic+10 for the last few weeks and dang. Was able to beat timer on everyone but it was a struggle
strange perch
Thanks! I look into that and see where that takes me. I’ve been doing mythic+10 ...
gear up and pay attention to key buffs and debuffs - mainly those that you apply yourself.
There are lot of buffs that trigger automatically either from talent trees but you dont have any control over their triggers.
frigid spoke
Maybe a dumb question but Crit would be the most important stat to look for in gear ?
dim basalt
I think youre better off reading a guide
If youre lacking the complete fundamentals
Either wowhead or icy-veins are a good start
frigid spoke
I think youre better off reading a guide
Yea probably so
teal fossil
All WoW classes and specs suffer from FOTM build and rotation designs.
Talent tr...
Every pve game will have an optimal rotation
The only time where it won’t is if there are lots of damage amp phases
In which case your rotation outside of the amp phase literally doesn’t matter
naive sage
The only problem with the concept of FOTM is that there are specs which are never or almost never FOTM
If there was a well made rotation of FOTM it would be ok
Arms specifically has shined in raid only and sporadically
Afair
teal fossil
That’s why I don’t HATE enhance being fotm rn
brittle pelican
passive sweeping strikes when
naive sage
That’s why I don’t HATE enhance being fotm rn
Facts
Also enha is very funny and complex imo
I always loved it as an alt
teal fossil
Or arcane
But if fire mage is meta it pisses me off
Ret used to be a meme class until df
dim basalt
Didnt arcane become really simple tho
And the only reason it was considered "complex" was because you had to learn a spreadsheet as your rotation
Which consisted of like 50+ actions
dim basalt
yuup lol
teal fossil
But they aren’t really meta often
tranquil cradle
have they fixed the execute damage number coming in late and not having goof sfx feedback?
ebon fern
Not gonna lie, i think that arms would have been more fun if they kept it basically the same as df, and added ravager, that's it.
I think it's a bit bland
It's not bad though
silk spade
opportunist should die in a fire
I think part of the problem is ms being so shit
if ms wasnt so bad it wouldn't feel this wrong
naive sage
Delete overpower altogether or make it similar to the Cata one
(Taste for blood)
Idk random ideas
astral yarrow
How about we copy Legion arms 1:1
olive nest
astral yarrow
grand idea i know
olive nest
Also yes!
astral yarrow
you can all be me mindblown now
give me permanent sweep talent, give me weight of the mountain talent
olive nest
legion.arms_revert=1
naive sage
give me permanent sweep talent, give me weight of the mountain talent
what was it?
I didn’t play legion
astral yarrow
arms had permanent sweep but it only applied to MS and execute
weight of the mountain was a legendary that made your heroic leap impact apply colossus smash in aoe
naive sage
Sorry, I wasn’t clear, I meant weight of the mountain
naive sage
weight of the mountain was a legendary that made your heroic leap impact apply c...
bro what
astral yarrow
it was really only actually used on 2 boss fights over 2 tiers, but might've been played more if arms was favored in antorus
it would probably be a little too good if unchanged now because of evoker time spiral tbh
naive sage
Yeah it would be something like perma cs effect in aoe considering anger management
astral yarrow
Yeah you would be able to do some shenanigans for sure, but the impact of it wouldnt be that crazy if the CS didnt apply IFTK or ToM for example
ebon fern
I want the s3 df set back
I really liked clap on sudden death
Also very powerful in aoe
And made execute useful
If there is a set i wanna see back it's that, i was not happy with s4 set selection
But yea, in general i think s3 df arms was the most fun, slap ravager on top, and i would have no complaints for arms, it wouldn't be my favorite melee, but it would be among the top
halcyon breach
@astral yarrow Pile ||Dn||
halcyon breach
ohhh thats a hard one
Gotta iterate on it once in a while
astral yarrow
what if all talents were pile on
daring heron
they misunderstood and piled on with modifiers to MS
halcyon valve
Just one more MS modifier i promise arms will be saved then
halcyon valve
Nah
shadow ibex
I fucking LOVE tracking 3 buffs until my core rotational button is worth pressing
LETS FUCKIN GOOOOOOOO
wicked aurora
Idk maybe I'm playing wrong but it doesn't seem that insane
silk spade
Its not that deep
you can ignore or pretend stuff doesn't exist
that doesn't mean it actually doesn't exist
dim basalt
If all you track is rend Im 99% sure youre not doing as much dps as you should
teal fossil
Technically don’t need to track until execute
halcyon valve
you can ignore or pretend stuff doesn't exist
Idk but it really doesnt seem to be a big deal whether or not you track a million things if you just play the game
teal fossil
Ye playing the game is more important
halcyon valve
You can of course track everything at all times, but its not a necessary requirement for doing well
silk spade
Idk but it really doesnt seem to be a big deal whether or not you track a millio...
sure but some people actually care
some people min max everything and just cause most people don't it doesn't mean the design is not shit
dim basalt
I mean, it depends on what you call good I guess
If 90 is good for you then sure, thats enough
naive sage
If all you track is rend Im 99% sure youre not doing as much dps as you should
Can you make a list of things you think should be tracked while playing arms?
halcyon valve
The goal is to have a good time playing the game, not to stress about taking things to the extreme and only do the absolute most optimal thing you could do
silk spade
The goal is to have a good time playing the game, not to stress about taking thi...
people have different goals
surely you understand that
dim basalt
Can you make a list of things you think should be tracked while playing arms?
rend, tier set, sudden death, jugg
silk spade
the more you care, the more evident the problems with design are to you
halcyon valve
I do but its silly to say its all garbage when the percentage of people obsessed with perfect min maxing is miniscule
naive sage
rend, tier set, sudden death, jugg
They’re not that many and easily to setup though
Also sd is tracked by default ui
dim basalt
Default ui
naive sage
Default ui <:keks:936231610850897992>
Isn’t it though?
teal fossil
Tier set is passive until execute
dim basalt
I never said you need to track a lot of things
teal fossil
Jugg is also basically passive
dim basalt
But rend alone is gonna take away a lot of dps in execute
naive sage
But rend alone is gonna take away a lot of dps in execute
You basically refresh it with your rotation more or less
dim basalt
Jugg is also basically passive
You definitely do care about it tho
silk spade
I do but its silly to say its all garbage when the percentage of people obsessed...
the people that discuss problems with the spec care more than most
that's why they type that stuff in the first place
I don't think caring more than others is silly
teal fossil
You definitely do care about it tho
But you don’t need to track it
naive sage
So while it’s important to track it you keep it up most of the time
silk spade
some people still have fun caring even less than you
dim basalt
But you don’t need to track it
So youre just gonna drop it despite having 1 instead of 2 stacks of SD?
halcyon valve
But rend alone is gonna take away a lot of dps in execute
Funny fact: the only reason i even have the rend tracker is because i kept forgetting to reapply it during primalist council in vault of the incarnates
teal fossil
You gonna cast sd passively anyways
dim basalt
Yeah but you dont know if you have to send it early
If youre not tracking jugg
Thats the point
naive sage
Funny fact: the only reason i even have the rend tracker is because i kept forge...
Bad times ngl
halcyon valve
Yeah that boss sucked nuts
naive sage
No bloodletting
teal fossil
Funny fact: the only reason i even have the rend tracker is because i kept forge...
Too much target swapping
halcyon valve
dim basalt
Or the things enh could have done there
silk spade
Imagine if we had Colossus for that fight
I was thinking the other day
imagine fury thane on that fight
holy
wicked aurora
If all you track is rend Im 99% sure youre not doing as much dps as you should
I mean realistically what else am I tracking besides SD/Jugg stacks and making sure you get 2 tactician reset buffs + 2 EP before sending MS in execute?
And the later you don't even need something to track
halcyon valve
Cooldowns 5head
halcyon valve
Ravager? 🤨
silk spade
marked for execution
wicked aurora
Why would you track both slayer's strikes and marked for execution
silk spade
if you have slayer strikes on 2 you know you're gonna get SD soon when you proc another one
wicked aurora
which isn't a problem unless you're sitting at 2 stacks of SD....
silk spade
Ok but you don't need to track that
you don't need to track anything yeah
if you're target swapping or targets are dying you cant really keep up with the free SD by looking at marks
wicked aurora
you're never sitting on 2 to begin with
This is kinda my point
silk spade
you need to look at strikes
wicked aurora
I don't just track rend tho 🙂
silk spade
that's kind of he point of tracking more or less stuff
naive sage
Solution is not to play slayer in keys
wicked aurora
Idk but it really doesnt seem to be a big deal whether or not you track a millio...
I think more to the point is that people get a bit hung up with how much there is to "track" and some of it is mostly superfluous.
halcyon valve
Solution is not to play slayer in keys <:xeos:945501697847992341>
Colossus gang 
wicked aurora
As seen here
silk spade
the point is how much you could track
if you want to min max
not how much you care enough to track
wicked aurora
¯_(ツ)_/¯
It's not like Arms itself is a super complex spec in and of itself so imo asking someone to check a couple buffs isn't a huge deal
My point is really just that there isn't that much to actually track
halcyon valve
Tbf i was a bit reductive - i do actually track
Rend uptime, sudden death, rage and swing timer
halcyon valve
Deez nuts HAH
silk spade
My point is really just that there isn't **that** much to actually track
yeah I guess it's a matter of perspective also
some people probably don't know what lb is
and can still perform well
naive sage
Swing timer is very good to track imo
shadow ibex
Don't let the clowns who complain about add-ons for bosses near this spec
They would break
naive sage
Is it now?
It’s not like pre-wotlk but yeah it is good to know for me
silk spade
I think last time I cared about tracking my swing timer was SL
don't remind me
wicked aurora
don't remind me
I’m gonna be honest, I liked pre DF arms more
silk spade
I hated DF arms
quaint otter
s2 arms was peak
wicked aurora
Like genuinely liked tracking swing timer and having to actually manage my rage
silk spade
I didn't play sl enough to have a real opinion
shadow ibex
It's been the same ish shit since bfa
quaint otter
s3 good too
wicked aurora
It's been the same ish shit since bfa
Minus the whole rage economy lmao
halcyon valve
I think last time I cared about tracking my swing timer was SL
Mine is literally a 2px thick line thats glued onto the rage bar lol
Its nothing i really pay attention to unless im feeling sweaty and dont want to lose multiple swings for rage to using demolish at a bad time
shadow ibex
Bfa yes sl no df yes tww no
silk spade
I like current arms aside from slayer and jugg rng shit
halcyon valve
Season 1 arms was stupud
Gamble whether you proc recklessness at pull and can just spam condemn for a minute straight
naive sage
Lukewarm take Arms is stale and should be reworked from scraps
silk spade
Lukewarm take Arms is stale and should be reworked from scraps
below zero take
halcyon valve
Take: arms is an overall neat design that still has unexplored potential to be better
halcyon valve
I wouldn’t really want Arms to be heavily reworked
Same
silk spade
mp and jugg have to go
halcyon valve
Changes need to happen, but the core of arms is good
shadow ibex
I wouldn’t really want Arms to be heavily reworked
At this point I think just not enough eyes on jt
Why rework a spec 6 ppl play
naive sage
It’s stuck on the same mechanics since ever, always keeping dots up and playing around tactician, therefore it’s stale
silk spade
I think arms is a very cool concept but some key mechanics are very annoying currently
shadow ibex
I mean they just need to go back to the drawing board
halcyon valve
the rework might make more people play it
To be real for a second
What it needs to be played by lots of people is to be meta
As if thats ever gonna happen 
shadow ibex
Natural warrior who is good at hitting things is just silly in a universe with titans and shjt
Combat got a face-lift to outlaw etc
halcyon valve
Natural warrior who is good at hitting things is just silly in a universe with t...
I like hitting things with a big stick
I ooga, i booga
silk spade
arms should be a slower spec with big hits
shadow ibex
That's every plate dps
halcyon valve
Not really no
Dk is much more magic stuff
Paladin has ranged abilities
Theyre very much different
Warrior is just "guy who trained so hard he got the strngth to kill god" rather than "guy who uses magic diseases or light magic powers"
silk spade
bl can die in a fire
safe spoke
Warrior is just "guy who trained so hard he got the strngth to kill god" rather ...
charges to his death for 1 extra early gcd
silk spade
bro I am not playing outlaw on 200 ping
silk spade
every time I fucked up crackshot I wanted to shoot myself in the knee
tacit crystal
nah its fine
silk spade
I played it in DF tho idk if they changed anything about crackshot
tacit crystal
all i know is that im playing am 2.0
tacit crystal
ret prison it seems
shadow ibex
bl can die in a fire
Best part is they said they are happy with arms warrior class fantasy in beta
No idea wtf that fantasy is besides MS modifiers and crit amp in our class and spec tree
But they proud of it so
gaunt owl
thats the Focusing Rage legacy
silk spade
ret prison it seems
ret is simple and predictable
teal fossil
Truly hekili optimal
ebon fern
A bit too simple, it's almost great but it's missing a little something to make ret really fun
naive sage
Ret exists to remind me it’s my fault because I chose the underperforming and slightly more complex spec as my favorite while I could smash my head on the keyboard and make things explode
silk spade
ebon fern
I want the seraphim proc on art of war back, and i want a pseudo woa reset proc back, they could bring back exorcism, when you proc art of war you have a 50% chance to make your next blade of justice become exorcism, dealing significantly more damage and generating 1 more holy power
silk spade
https://tenor.com/view/hank-explode-gif-5592816
@magic canopy
ebon fern
I could understand removing seraphim the ability, but removing the proc itself was kinda absurd, it was litererally a passive proc that gave you tons of secondary stats with pretty high uptime, who doesn't like that?
steep osprey
ace + crackshot is very fun
boreal quartz
wicked aurora
I guess with this 8 hour maintenance now would be a great time to install my 9800x3d chip
teal fossil
I could understand removing seraphim the ability, but removing the proc itself w...
That makes secondary stats from gear less valuable
A part of the reason why “pally don’t scale”
wicked aurora
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
I just want good raid performance man
tacit crystal
my poor 13100f suffers playing wow
gaunt owl
one day they will optimize the game
when wow2.0 comes out
or they just finish it for good like OW2.0
halcyon valve
Wow2.0 is something that will never exist
Wow is a ship of theseus situation
ebon fern
No it doesn't, that's not how it works
If anything a proc that gives you extra stat would make secondary stats scale better especially haste in this case
Becuase more procs=more stats
What makes stats scale badly is interactions like sudden doom, because it lacks the crit damage component, therefore it devalues crit for unholy, or lack of interactions like for outlaw
tacit crystal
what
ebon fern
Ret was probably the best scaling spec with all those things, that's not the reason they got rid of it, the reason was becuase people didn't like seraphim, but specifically the ability itself which consumed holy power and a gcd
Actually, forget the probably it was the best scaling, tied with frost dk
barren ivy
Not gonna lie, I get a little jelly over the ret attack animations.
Like we had condem, now everyone gets a version of it.
ebon fern
It's overused
magic canopy
ebon fern
I honestly have no idea why they removed the sweeping strikes animation
Literally insane
shadow ibex
i didnt like the ss animations
Faster than condemn
So not affected by stupid bug from df
Don't need to worry about boss moving during exe animation if it's sweeping instead of overhead
silk spade
i thought they fixed that in tww
dark kindle
The animation I miss is the overpower animation in legion
When we shoulder checked fools hard enough to hurt
sullen plover
When we shoulder checked fools hard enough to hurt
Ong
sullen plover
We really gotta grind some open world bullshit
There’s catch up, keep your head high king
What you miss rolls through
shadow ibex
I did 1 slot this week
Only item is a myth version of sac but using myth egg ovinax trinket anyway
silk spade
erm
ivory harbor
Can someone pls share what does cbt mean?
silk spade
Can someone pls share what does cbt mean?
it's a meme dont worry about it
ivory harbor
Ah ok, thank u
silk spade
i was trying to say that it's annoying to use
shadow ibex
ovi trinket is cbt
It grew on me
Besides sac has stinky haste
Walking around with 17% haste in colossus set
36% crit
silk spade
It grew on me
nice stockholm syndrome buddy
silk spade
i got rash neck on vault and im gonna craft 2x dawnthread
im gonna have 9999999999 crit
shadow ibex
I been with rash neck
Passed on versi proc
Fuck that shit get outta my face I want that purple stuff
sullen plover
Happy for you king, wish we can all get the same success
I had to pass on rash neck in my vault previously 😭
shadow ibex
If I had another myth raid weap I would probably craft x2 dusk
sullen plover
this place is korthia 2.0
😞
livid cloak
Nope not until you level up the ring I'm pretty sure
shadow ibex
lmao
sullen plover
I think you unlock flying second to last, so in the 5th week
Someone can correct me on that though
dire hinge
not yet no
fresh spire
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=228639/fathomdwellers-runed-citrine
THINK ITS QUEST
caps
acutally, dont think what i said is correct
wowhead post just came out with 4 of the gems found, imo they will update as they find them
first 2 are pretty solid ones to start with
plucky lily
halcyon valve
Yes pls
Nothing worse than a boss just fucking parrying your main dmg cd with his toe
nova ruin
why is it we thunderous roar then warbreak/colussus rather the other way round?
minor gust
because the intial dmg on TR doesnt really matter just the dot so you wanna maximize your globals inside of cds
mild nymph
can you not fly?
There’s a quest
That gives u pseudo flight
As an item
Peak precision
cosmic fossil
silk spade
<:pipes:584999586809118733>
quasi torrent
just crit
dreamy egret
man they fixed the master hammer being able to repair armor
fucking cant have shit in this game
brittle fiber
this place is korthia 2.0
mechagon city 3.0
tropic mortar
One message removed from a suspended account.
old urchin
You have to do the quests.
old urchin
I lose so much crit equiping this ring
Yeah it’s ducking awful.
shadow ibex
man they fixed the master hammer being able to repair armor
WHAT
i was getting so many free repairs from my DF hammer
granite coral
ya prob not worth wearing the ring until those other gems are aquired
its like 9% less crit, bananas
smoky kayak
it's mostly the fact that the only blue gem we have atm is a healing one
the other two are not bad, but the ring is still only at (more or less) 2/3 power
shadow ibex
yeah it fizzles now
No fun allowed man
old urchin
Looks like the gem that gives highest secondary stat doesn't account for talents maybe? I had to take off sacbrood cause it kept giving me haste instead of crit
shadow ibex
talents dont give rating and its probably drawing from rating
old urchin
Ah so it checks the rating and not the percentage. Got it
balmy kindle
Is the ring better than a 636 crit haste craft
sullen plover
Ah so it checks the rating and not the percentage. Got it
Usually the case. Like beledar bounty food buff is based off rating
old urchin
Bloodbound Horror. Nice chuck of dam from the crackling citrine. 3:15 kill time.
minor gust
yeah because Blizzard loves making bad decisions
balmy kindle
Bloodbound Horror. Nice chuck of dam from the crackling citrine. 3:15 kill time.
Wtf 3% lol
old urchin
Yep. Hugest ever
strong tendon
do we have to do the intro quests on all our alts to get the ring?
shadow ibex
it has no secondary so the 3% isnt a vacuum. you could gain 3% from the stats on a normal ring for example
minor gust
ring is a downgrade rn
balmy kindle
Can't wait to get home , do quests and ask Mr robot
granite coral
do we have to do the intro quests on all our alts to get the ring?
the quest to get the ring is really short
and the gems are warbound
and cheap to buy additional
signal oriole
The entire island drops a crazy amount of warbound equipment. Looks like gearing alts is going to be a big thing.,
granite coral
its mega cheap to just buy a full set too
signal oriole
Yea you get an insane amount of the island currency as well doing regular activities.
But considering the time gating so far, there might be a reason to save it. Never know.
bleak fog
Are the ring from campaign or the island of doom?
odd palm
I know it is suboptimal, but if I want to play Arms (Slayer?) without SKS talent, where does that talent point go in single target build? Finishing Blows, Exhilarating Blows or Bloodsurge? cant put it in Deft Experience because of point restrictions in upper tree.
boreal quartz
EB is fun
slow saddle
man they fixed the master hammer being able to repair armor
YEAH MY FREE repairs gone !
mortal trail
nooo
oak flame
are we timegated from get the other gem ? and it's a weekly ? daily ?
weary hull
any new ring sims
halcyon breach
any new ring sims