I like the gameplay of arms rn, I just wish ms wasn't so reliant on mods, and that execute felt like a good button to push without a 5 point talent investment
#arms
dim basalt
I dont think a 5 point talent investment is much of an issue, but we dont get as much out of it as we should
Because without them execute is completely useless
dim basalt
But it works if the payout is worth it
livid cloak
Absolute piss design
dim basalt
Which is not really the case atm
rancid solstice
Also, slam is actually like “FML man this the only button I got rn”
livid cloak
Slam is fine to me
Idm slam at all
Its a decent filler button, which we need
Jugg duration is so bad, crit thinking should be baked in
dim basalt
Jugg ramp time is also pretty bad
rancid solstice
Jugg duration is so bad, crit thinking should be baked in
Or at least moved to class tree in some form
Shit could probably put jugg in the class tree too
slow saddle
Sim
naive sage
Shit could probably put jugg in the class tree too
All three specs have it in their spec tree
naive sage
Also give us s3 df in tree
Dream
rancid solstice
All three specs have it in their spec tree
Yeah exactly might as well move it to class tree
warped ether
I feel like if they made it so it doesn’t drop in combat and the cd timer starts when you are out of combat it would have been a lot smoother
Idm having to farm stacks to do huge executes
silk spade
Jugg needs to die
so real
halcyon valve
Colossus could benefit from slightly higher tactician proc chance to reduce the chances of running both out of overpower charges and rage at the same time
slow token
Just let me play nyalotha haste god arms again and I’ll die happy
acoustic jay
guys its only me or arms really sim low on single talent with aoe build? looking for break the meta but single looks terrible
teal fossil
That’s just how colossus is
acoustic jay
so its better to go slayer for m+?
spring pilot
My understanding is Colossus is best for M+
teal fossil
I’m assuming fury is considered meta
rancid solstice
Fury seems to be a key level higher consistently at the top end, but if you’re doing anything under 15 they’re both effective, colossus is best for arms m+
teal fossil
He’s looking to do break the meta
rancid solstice
Oh ok I don’t even know what is
regal socket
hey do yall know if the rag piece of thunderufry is 100%
i just got my other binding 😄
after yeras
safe spoke
this
You guys got haste corruptions? I just got a single little tentacle boy the entire patch and way too much devestation
Though that little tentacle boy netted me a 99 parse on heroic n’zoth thanks to godlike timings of psychus windows
nova marsh
I love how blizz has removed the crest capp
naive sage
You guys got haste corruptions? I just got a single little tentacle boy the enti...
I played s4 bfa on a popular private server and I had a lot of haste corruptions, it was very fun
halcyon valve
Theres little need for even more catalyst charges tbh
Your alts will be at 8 by now if you havent used any
Thats plenty
livid cloak
Agreed
silk spade
I played s4 bfa on a popular private server and I had a lot of haste corruptions...
lowkey would enjoy playing bfa s4 private sv
fresh spire
buff bladestorm :o7
make bladestorm fat as fuck again
blade storm itself is alright for class fantasy, but it's damage feels damn poor when you factor channel time/damage output vs fury channel time vs damage output. if we are going to spin for much longer wasting valuable CD uptime on CS/Avatar it should show by actually doing damage (more so in aoe)
fresh spire
Just did a 10 stone core, yoinked 5 buffs to try hit the fattest demolish on shield boss
slow saddle
Make ms hit hard!!!
fresh spire
didnt crit 😦
fresh spire
just in a weird spot rn, when you compare the freedom of ravager and how it shakes up your rotation being able to use it as an EP expender vs just being stuck in a what almost 4 second channel? feels sad when fury feels half that.
if we gonna at least be stuck there put some more damage into it for aoe
fresh spire
thing is ravager does feel good interms of shake up for colossus
silk spade
delete mp delete jugg
fresh spire
when its down you prio 2x ep then if you have you that you can op
let unhinged ms consume
fresh spire
delete mp delete jugg
real
rapid bronze
do we like oppressive larynx at all as arms? I have a myth track mark and heroic sacbrood
rapid bronze
I see, is it worth getting larynx for raid in that case?
fresh spire
even then i think mark is better
rapid bronze
gotcha, thank you!
silk spade
I see, is it worth getting larynx for raid in that case?
i dont think larynx is good in a practical scenario
pretty mid and 2 min cd
rapid bronze
sadge I like those big damage trinkets just for the hilarity of it
naive sage
lowkey would enjoy playing bfa s4 private sv
They're at DF now
shadow ibex
i dont think larynx is good in a practical scenario
the buff on the uptime isnt awful tbh
the dmg being split is omega useless tho
i had am ythic rank version of it for like first 1.5 month and would always have like 98% uptime on the buff
halcyon valve
Larynx is decent if you dont have better trinkets
minor gust
Ayeeee massive Silken Court nerfs right after we killed it
@boreal quartz you guys got this
minor gust
Good timing because we're doing a reclear this week
latent moss
time traveller: what you playing
me: cs on tactician arms warrior
time traveller: cs on tactician arms warrior what it is
shadow ibex
fathom shoal
Did we receive a finery raid buff this week? or is it capped out now?
dire hinge
cap should be 11% i believe
silk spade
ye 11
spring pilot
For Arms rotation, should I always be saving one charge of OP?
shadow ibex
no
fathom shoal
cap should be 11% i believe
ok thx
sacred ore
Anyone else having problem with their Avatar macro. I just have my trinket macro with it but anytime I try to use the macro my trinket gets used. For Avatar it says spell not learned yet for, I tried re-writing it but the same thing is said.
dire hinge
can you paste the full macro here?
this is what im rocking atm, doesn't have any issue, just for transparency
/cast Avatar
/cast [known: Recklessness] Recklessness
/use Blood Fury
/use Berserking
/use Ancestral Call
/use 13
/use 14
I just got a Warband version of Ansurek's ring. I imagine this is strictly worse if my rings are 623 even if they're not BIS?
dire hinge
you can always Sim it for questions like that, makes for an easy and correct answer
spring pilot
Ok, this ring is kinda busted holy moly
I didn't think it would be slightly better DPS being that low ilevel
dire hinge
no mainstat helps a little if you're okay with the stamina tradeoff
spring pilot
I think the main thing that changed for me is haste vs crit. My haste was at 34% and now my crit is 31 and my haste is 25
silk spade
this is what im rocking atm, doesn't have any issue, just for transparency
```#s...
don't you get more rage if you put reck before avatar
dire hinge
don't you get more rage if you put reck before avatar
i haven't played fury in years, i can't speak to its optimizations
silk spade
i'm pretty sure you do but i might be getting a mandela effect
dire hinge
i think ideally you break it out and cast it, then charge, and avatar later, but idk
silk spade
i think ideally you break it out and cast it, then charge, and avatar later, but...
depends on your talents
balmy kindle
Got 639 shoulders but Poe 2 is too good 
earnest imp
i wish critcake did silken court on arms so i could copy him
quaint spindle
guys, stupid question - when does AOE rotation for colossus and slayer applies? On 2 targets?
thick kelp
2 target if ss down
3-4 target if ss up
quaint spindle
thanks
real birch
Heya 🙂 want to switch to arms for a few keys. Wowhead say go slayer for m+ archon say go colossus?
minor gust
pick your favorite both are good
naive sage
Heya 🙂 want to switch to arms for a few keys. Wowhead say go slayer for m+ arch...
Colossus imo
dim basalt
havent played both. prop going slayer because raid is ayler as well
Slayer does more ST while Colossus does way more aoe
And colossus is actually bearable in keys, Slayer feels so bad there
real birch
Love the playstyle with demolish ngl o:
First key without really the knowledge how to properly play colossus. It felt waaaay wore than it was 😄
But in ST fights i was just around 800k-1M dps :C feels a bit weak. But prob because I dont know how to play
slow saddle
And colossus is actually bearable in keys, Slayer feels so bad there
Fact
slow saddle
But in ST fights i was just around 800k-1M dps :C feels a bit weak. But prob bec...
Nah that is decent
1m that ish
Dependin on boss ofc
slow saddle
Very boss dependant
dim basalt
ye
slow saddle
Mainly like when mofo tank moves.out when i demo( must be his bad)
edgy solstice
rough pewter
Oi Bros, could you help me out please with logs? What number is relevant the left or the right one? Its not like its super important im just curious
tacit crystal
neither
rough pewter
oh fuck
hardy cliff
It’s an m+ log, none of the %s or ranks really mean anything
rough pewter
i see thanks
lost violet
Any good videos of M+ arms in keys that I should watch ?
viral locust
Oi Bros, could you help me out please with logs? What number is relevant the lef...
left one is vs ALL keys so completely irrelevant, the right one is vs keys at that same level perhaps slightly better to look out but still very flawed as not many people log keys. If the right one is low though it just means you can improve usually but dont take number to seriously
If you mouse over you can see what they mean
viral locust
np but compare that to a boss with like 50k logs this isn't really accurate number to look at to compare yourself against the top dpser etc but a semi good indicator
dim basalt
Inaccurate would be if there were only 1000 parses or so
18k is definitely a good number
silk spade
Oi Bros, could you help me out please with logs? What number is relevant the lef...
do not look at m+ logs
irrelevant and innacurate
lapis geode
im stepping into a +13 cot as we speak
first time arms
i aint got time to look at no guides
silk spade
i aint got time to look at no guides
ok?
naive sage
im stepping into a +13 cot as we speak
I don’t think that will be that funny for your party mates ngl
eager sigil
m+ players deserve it
latent moss
preach
edgy solstice
hows midnight waiting room
quaint otter
first time arms
So how it went
lapis geode
So how it went
shit, healing department was lacking
couldnt heal damage from 3rd boss aoe
dps overall was 1,5M tho
idk if thats good on arms or not
unborn canyon
Really good for first time touching arms
quaint otter
Its fury
quaint otter
Crit way too low
lapis geode
yeah im fury
quaint otter
Got a juicy 639 gun this vault gotta roll fury for this week 
fresh spire
insane
shadow ibex
Until chaos changes to mast
unborn canyon
Lmao
shadow ibex
fresh spire
yo thats me
gaunt owl
yo thats me
are you good bro ?
latent moss
are you good bro ?
fresh spire
are you good bro ?
slow saddle
Why are rogues always cookin in raid?
edgy hemlock
bcz small stick funny
gaunt owl
they work smarter not harder
latent moss
sandbagging is the most cringe shit ever
imagine hiding shit so you can deal more damage than others
in a video game
thick kelp
tell that to warlocks
latent moss
its so pathetic its unreal
they should get a treatment of 2 expansions
every single patch
worst dps by a mile
turn all gameplay into pure kanker
gaunt owl
we cant turbo blast
see how dirty they did Fury this tier
its still pure insanity
how they nerfed Fury when it did 0 ST
but dmg profile was golden
silk spade
slayer fury is disgusting to play
boreal quartz
i have a comment
in court i1
this rat cleanses debuffs idk 5 secs in
INCLUDING MY CS
YOU FUCKING VILE CREATURES
daring heron
huh
does it
are you sure you're not just hitting anub and the intermission starts and the only target is now the caster boss
boreal quartz
are you sure you're not just hitting anub and the intermission starts and the on...
p1 intermission
it ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY does
EAT the rend/dw
CS too
(i am going crazy i did rewatch)
idk how i managed to lose a cs thoi
eager sigil
https://tenor.com/view/smoke-smoking-itsjadeyanh-jadeyanh-gif-155488193003520644...
i love her so much
dim basalt
1st night of court: wow this encounter is kinda nice
2nd night of court: GET ME THE FUCK OUT
And many more nights to come...
astral talon
i have that with kyveza now
and every wipe is like 1-5min
so we just STACK wipes
54 tonight XD
boreal quartz
did you get the debuff 3 times
yes
but its a good sign
it was killable tn
instead we are turbopepegaing
boreal quartz
1st night of court: wow this encounter is kinda nice
2nd night of court: GET ME ...
220 pulls in now :DDDDD
boreal quartz
so we just STACK wipes
ye shes fast asf
dim basalt
220 pulls in now :DDDDD
I believe we are like 70 pulls in and barely see I1
If we do, only with like 15 alive
dim basalt
Still so many Betrayal deaths
halcyon valve
WE KILLED THE FUCKING WORM
dim basalt
WE KILLED THE FUCKING WORM
Now get ready for the real fun
silk spade
Brutverderber
twilit burrow
halcyon valve
halcyon valve
84 overall parse
18 boss damage 
eager sigil
120 pulls now
dim basalt
I also tried Colossus on court but it feels whack
halcyon valve
oh yeah
we only played 7 sets
were about to pop 8th set, but lead called not to pop because boss was at 3%
420k demolish dps on adds. funny number
boreal quartz
Bait
boreal quartz
is it particularly good? nah
does it align with add spawns? yuup
Yes but u also have CDs for 400 years after
Not especially great
halcyon valve
🤓 its exactly 45 seconds
I will not let anyone shittalk spiteful serenity now that i am the only one who has ever used it on a mythic kill
halcyon valve
Boss dead, its a W
tacit crystal
this is illegal btw
quaint otter
astral yarrow
this is illegal btw
during s2 of DF before SKS was changed, having 0 points in BB was actually optimal
which i agree is criminal as fk
fresh spire
this is illegal btw
:sus:
halcyon valve
It is a bit fucked, but collateral / eb were simply more valuable than the bb points, and sks simply feels good as a generator to smooth out the rotation
astral yarrow
SKS felt horrible in DF, because you had to reapply DW and Rend, but i mean, it kinda had a purpose. Now its just a mediocre button making your ST feel weird
astral yarrow
it actually felt better in execuyte since MS reapplied Rend, but then you'd be sending a 2x EP buffed MS into no mastery amp
all around a mess of a spec
still is
halcyon valve
Nah sks is pretty neat, just has less impact than in df
Generates 15 rage (sometimes you need that, especially as colossus)
Direct hit for 340k average this pull, and the additional bleed ticks you get from it realistically add >800k to it
Its a good filler even without taking bloodborne or arterial bleed
shadow ibex
idk how we played this class in early DF
before bloodletting applied rend
lmao
what the FUCK
what the fuck were we playing man
halcyon valve
Plus using IP and 70 rage whirlwinds to dump massive excess amounts of rage into tom/am
it was kinda fucked up
I dont even remember what the spec tree looked like back then
silk spade
@visual fern nice sikran bud
visual fern
W
knotty marsh
if i was going to not use skull splitter what would i take instad to keep damage somewhat comparable
knotty marsh
tru that
minor gust
man first rekill of Silken Court only took us 4 pulls thanks to the nerfs xd
decided to do it as colossus now that its not prog and hot damn colossus really does just feel so fun on that fight. got a double demolish in 1 cs window during dmg amp with lust
I creamed
silk spade
if i was going to not use skull splitter what would i take instad to keep damage...
second point on DE probably
tacit crystal
or that
teal fossil
before bloodletting applied rend
people asking every week whether to rend in exec
minor gust
good times
dim basalt
man first rekill of Silken Court only took us 4 pulls thanks to the nerfs xd
That much easier now?
boreal quartz
That much easier now?
U dont rlly die to orbs anymore
Rlly hard to
(i managed to anyways)
dim basalt
I see
minor gust
usually a first re kill for us is a 1-2 hour adventure
killing Silken in 4 is a surprise
viral locust
Learning arms - what's better for keys Slayer or Col? I see guides recommending mainly Slayer but see alot of high dps keys with Col is it just padding or what? (I'm aware fury is better for keys)
viral locust
aight been trying them out don't see much difference yet lol
empty pike
morning/night folks, I'm back to playing arms on kyveza prog and I've been encountering a lot of trouble with spending my anger. I only have the MS and slam for constant use. Is it valid to set ignore pain when there is nothing on the priority list to use or even when using a mechanic?
wicked aurora
morning/night folks, I'm back to playing arms on kyveza prog and I've been encou...
Press your buttons better
No reason to use IP on that fight imo
FBV is a lot more value since there’s just constant ticking damage
empty pike
OK, my problem is the MS CD window. In some cases, slam is the last in priority and it has happened a lot. Basically I never run out of rage.
dim basalt
OK, my problem is the MS CD window. In some cases, slam is the last in priority ...
That's every raidfight though
empty pike
OK, my problem is the MS CD window. In some cases, slam is the last in priority ...
using ms on cd and slam when without SD proc and overpower
dim basalt
I never run out of rage except in execute
dim basalt
^
boreal quartz
morning/night folks, I'm back to playing arms on kyveza prog and I've been encou...
Rage doesnt matter until execute
It's ok if u cannot spend it all
empty pike
I understood. Thanks guys.
icy mulch
Learning arms - what's better for keys Slayer or Col? I see guides recommending ...
Col Arms, you get massive trash damage and Ok boss damage.
Slayer you have to choose; shit AoE or shit ST.
naive sage
Damn arms is so great 
wooden obsidian
Whats the stat prio for arms in keys? Wowhead says crit then haste but it seems like most are haste then crit
boreal quartz
Whats the stat prio for arms in keys? Wowhead says crit then haste but it seems ...
Sim urself
Equip ilvl
wooden obsidian
Crit mast is what it wants...probably because i have a butt load of haste
livid cloak
In general crit haste and mastery all good for keys, ilvl is king. Sim yourself
wooden obsidian
Yeah im like 635 so def wearing ilvl gear but been prot all season and branching out
boreal quartz
Crit mast is what it wants...probably because i have a butt load of haste
Sounds good
Sim is King
subtle cloak
hey guys, coming from prot and wanna slap around the big sword in 10+ dungeons. anyone can help me decide between colossus and slayer ?
tacit crystal
flio a coin
dim basalt
Colossus kinda is the favourite imo
dim basalt
Col Arms, you get massive trash damage and Ok boss damage.
Slayer you have to ch...
This sums it up pretty well
Demolish is also fun to press
naive sage
so there is no clear favorite there ?
Go colossus
subtle cloak
okay thanks guys
Colossus Talents - strong and spikey, but less predictable, this one i guess (the first in faq)
icy mulch
Colossus for sure, great trash killing, ok boss damage.
Slayer you kinda have to pick which to be good with and suck at the other.
Slayer at least feels a little smoother, since most things die super fast.
viral locust
after trying col bit more since i posted earlier I'm liking it
icy mulch
Colossus needs a little build up before decimating things.
viral locust
seems good for pug runs, maybe you'd go slayer ST prio if your group has mass aoe already or AOE if they have good prior
if I can't decide ill just go col lol
latent moss
ye but unlike slayer it actually decimates
subtle cloak
anyone can explain to me, why the faq skills blunt instruments and not warbreaker for dungeons ?
subtle cloak
colossus
tacit crystal
i would not recommend that
subtle cloak
CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYmZMjZmZmFLLLjZAAAAYw0wYYZYGYsMMzYxMDjZMMDDAAAAAAAmxsNGDwWAwmZMsADMj2oBwC
is the recommened build :/
viral locust
warbreaker probably higher keys when things live longer?
blunt for lower maybe if smashing 10s quick
popping a warbreaker and things dying in less than 10s gona feel bad
hazy flower
really doubt stuff can die in 10 sec
viral locust
in a 10 all the pad will
hazy flower
hi
subtle cloak
we press slam at least a bit or never ever in m+ ?
limber cove
Hey guys what talent u run for 12+ I find a lot build around top arms m+ players but dunno what to take even see a chinese running slayer
naive sage
Hey guys what talent u run for 12+ I find a lot build around top arms m+ players...
Ignore him
subtle cloak
we press slam at least a bit or never ever in m+ ?
Anyone on this ?
empty pike
Guys, do you already know which gem will be best for the warrior? of the new patch.
naive sage
Guys, do you already know which gem will be best for the warrior? of the new pat...
There is an article on wowhead ranking the gems iirc
dim basalt
Which is gonna be mid anyway
naive sage
Not specifically about warrior tho
empty pike
Could you send me this link? I'm reading the effects here but I haven't seen this ranking yet.
empty pike
halcyon valve
Guys, do you already know which gem will be best for the warrior? of the new pat...
When i simmed on the beta build of raidbots yesterday, the best gem combination at max ilvl was 6k dps loss compared to my current rings 
dim basalt
When i simmed on the beta build of raidbots yesterday, the best gem combination ...
6k isnt even that bad
The stamina loss tho
halcyon valve
Wdym not that bad, its worse than what i have rn and one of my rings is only 626
halcyon valve
Tbf it is a really good ring with lots of crit and some haste but still
halcyon valve
Would be nice
mild nymph
Which is gonna be mid anyway
Yeah ok
Me when it gets an 800% buff Wednesday after release
mild nymph
I’ll remind you that onyx annulet was also similarly shit before release
And most people wore it because it got buffed
warped plume
tacit crystal
hi @ everyone (turla)
warped plume
hi gio57
tacit crystal
i cant wait for it to be worse than crafted ring
or the progress of ring not transfer across warband
!
shadow ibex
i could do without the finding gems or w/e the fuck and having to get the bis combination
ngl rather just have some dumb heart of azeroth type with a bunch of every secondary stat and just gains ilvl from doing w/e content you do no bullshit lightning bolt proc or necrotic wound blah blah
latent moss
secondaries are always fun
warped plume
secondaries are always fun
silk spade
rare spawn
a turla made it to the water
mild nymph
hi @ everyone (turla)
Gn
tacit crystal
no way
wicked aurora
I don't suppose anyone has done sims on the buffed racials yet?
woven wasp
i can tell you they havent been buffed enough to be the best
sullen plover
^^^
woven wasp
vulpera and lightforged draenei were ~0.2% ahead of not having a racial at all
sullen plover
Currently the ring coming out Tuesday will be slightly weaker than a ring with equivalent ilvl. It will absolutely need to be buffed
It will also take 6 weeks to get 639 ilvl, which is diabolical
woven wasp
public is worse than what i had
sullen plover
Definitely won’t be mandatory but can suggest to keep up with the ring chores so when it does get buffed by week 6 (6 weeks absolutely feels bad) you can just swap it in
fresh spire
https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-majin-vegeta-dragon-ball-legends-dragon-dragon-bal...
stop tweaking out lil bro
warped plume
stop tweaking out lil bro
fresh spire
tacit crystal
viral locust
Am I being dumb is this how charge supposed to look in log or am I spamming it twice some how
Same on pull
halcyon valve
Charge is supposed to be like this
Its two separate effects that show up as two different casts
boreal quartz
Use and hit i think
viral locust
Ah ok, I was going mad thinking I'm double smashing it or something, thanks
icy mulch
ngl rather just have some dumb heart of azeroth type with a bunch of every secon...
The big laser was kinda neat for what it was.
empty pike
guys, can anyone help me by analyzing my log?
Damn, I already have some tries done on the kyveza but I'm not able to perform in any way. I know that the part that I'm going to hit the hardest is in the execute phase but until I get there I'm making a lot of mistakes in something that I can't identify.
dim basalt
Am I blind or are you not using Avatar at all?
fresh spire
Blind
dim basalt
😦
fresh spire
dim basalt
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WALXKY3ajyQ6FtDP?fight=35&type=damage-done&...
Not a pro log analyzer but I can quickly see that youre not doing the opener perfectly, your Juggernaut uptime also looks scuffed and makes the impression you press Execute whenever its ready?
empty pike
I went to check the macro and with a loaded gun in my hand I already
empty pike
Not a pro log analyzer but I can quickly see that youre not doing the opener per...
that's right
dim basalt
Well, dont do that
empty pike
I do it when I have more than one stack of sudden death
So the idea is to leave the Jurg up for as long as possible?
dim basalt
absolutely
There are a few conditions for Execute
- 3 stacks of Slayer (forgot what its called)
- 2 stacks of Sudden Death
- Jugg is about to run out
This is your Jugg uptime
Thats mine on the same fight (ignore the end, I died lol)
dim basalt
oh ye
dim basalt
It makes a big difference
fresh spire
Looking at your end of yoeu chart would make me think your messing up execute a little
dim basalt
Other smaller things would be avoiding using things like rend, SkS or roar after using Avatar, try to do that before you pop it if possible
On another note, why are you frequently using Storm Bolt
empty pike
I'm reading
empty pike
https://wago.io/9n9GqeQ6-
I can't see it now, but it warns me when I have to use execute?
empty pike
On another note, why are you frequently using Storm Bolt
I use it when I'm not BS or when I don't have range
fresh spire
Never press it when you aren't bladestorming and are in melee
Any other button is significantly better.
empty pike
does kaching when its good to press execute
wow, this is going to save my life
thick kelp
free damage is free damage
empty pike
Using Storm Bolt when not in range is some insane minmaxing
man I'm trying, I want to be really good
empty pike
Dude, do you think improving Jurg uptime has already solved my problem?
and use execute with 3 slayer stacks
dim basalt
Possibly yes
empty pike
man, is it possible that such a small detail will make such a difference? this game is crazy
dim basalt
Execute makes up most for our damage at the end of a fight, because of Juggernaut
When comparing my log with yours I did about 40M more damage with execute by minute 5
empty pike
did you reach 35% with 15 stacks?
dim basalt
Uhh, where do I check boss hp at a timestamp
Got it
Nope, I only had 2 stacks of Jugg when Execute started
Dropped my 15 stacks right before it...
Now I remember how tilted I got at that moment
Also mentionworthy, it would have been possibly more than 40M if I hadnt been wearing queen trinket
So yeah, big diff
fresh spire
It's overlooked but it's the 3 stack marked hits going into that jug is why it's powerful
empty pike
It's hard to lose 15 stacks before the execution phase.
fresh spire
With jug more often than not you will drop it
dim basalt
Not dropping it is rare ye
latent moss
i started seeing wa's that almost tell u what to press next
dim basalt
But unless youre unlucky or have insane downtimes, you dont drop it more often than 2-3 times usually
In a pure ST / patchwork fight
empty pike
Damn, but I'm really an idiot. I've been playing fury a lot because of the idiotic meta and when I go back to the good spec, I forget that my damage comes down to MY DAMN NAME. "EXECUTE"
naive sage
But during execute spamming phase you can’t get to 3 stacks
empty pike
During the execution phase it's another game
icy mulch
https://wago.io/9n9GqeQ6-
I'll have to try this.
empty pike
in the execute phase I will only use ms with 2 stacks of execute and 2 Lethal Blows?
fresh spire
Yeh or to rend
dim basalt
ye
fresh spire
And sks when you need rage
latent moss
But during execute spamming phase you can’t get to 3 stacks
sd doesnt play a role in execute phase
u just spam it
until 2 lb 2x ep and then ms
or for rend
fresh spire
Weakaura spec
naive sage
The thing with slayer is
naive sage
Sometimes execute is the only thing you can press >35%
latent moss
the entire thing with slayer is optimizing ur SD usage
naive sage
Isn’t it?
latent moss
Sometimes execute is the only thing you can press >35%
i havent played the game in a while but im 99.999% sure sending a single stack sd unless its falling off or jugg falling off is never worth it
sure its more damage atm but it could cause jugg to fall off if u get unlucky
and then its a massive dps loss
empty pike
sorry, what is SD?
empty pike
oh k
naive sage
Ye but should I just press slam instead just because I don’t have 3 MfE stacks?
latent moss
yeah
u slam if u dont meet any requirements for sd
3x mfe 2x sd jugg falling off or sd falling off
naive sage
Ok nice
And the weak aura (which I have) covers all of these 4 conditions?
I’ve been just playing colossus lately so I can’t remember really
latent moss
And the weak aura (which I have) covers all of these 4 conditions?
yep
naive sage
Ok nice
slow saddle
For real with all the modifers arms have tier should just be passive
Like season 1 set😄 df
halcyon valve
the entire thing with slayer is optimizing ur SD usage
SD?
halcyon valve
Ah
fresh spire
DN
balmy kindle
when the weekly provides 
now wheres this rng during prog
empty pike
bro, please, change your espec before send print
balmy kindle
Trying to clear muh 10s fast and its easier with the dumb 2 sword spec
empty pike
I have changed the spec within the key
balmy kindle
not gonna risk getting kicked man, being on oce its alr pain to find lobbies
bleak fog
<:sadge:820202363359854633> Trying to clear muh 10s fast and its easier with the...
As do the key faster or get an invite? 🙂
balmy kindle
get an invite sir
bleak fog
Sign as Fury come as Arms!
"I forgot my 2:nd sword in town"
Or just roll with MDI-specc! 😛
livid cloak
tank was a chad, i was taunting to spell reflect anima slash
with 0 warning
like an idiot
and he just rolled with it
got 5
tender pecan
634 ret 635 mage
I never trust a mage when im putting in my key lmao
naive sage
I never trust a mage when im putting in my key lmao
Facts
candid pecan
pvp buffs....
naive sage
Nah they hate us
sullen plover
I never trust a mage when im putting in my key lmao
10000%
80% of mages in my groups are doing close to tank level damage with io considerably higher than most
Yet they are the ones being invited over most dps
fringe moon
Yeah, where pve buffs
slow saddle
I never trust a mage when im putting in my key lmao
Ye i inv shaman // lock // hunter above mage these days
eager sigil
if you worry about shit like that you need help
tender pecan
Ye i inv shaman // lock // hunter above mage these days
Hunter is the same dont trust those man either 
slow saddle
I mean hunters are hunters
🤣
Dmg baseline way higher than mage
But.might also be mega shitters
eager sigil
buff arms now just to get shot in the head in 11.1
candid pecan
S2 tier set bonus will buff us
and they're surely cooking up some big trinkets for melee with 90 sec cd, all that good stuff
shadow ibex
Colossus with DF set would be unreal
candid pecan
holy
shadow ibex
Instead we get fuckin weak aura set boni
serene hollow
anyone know if the ring next week is actually strong
I need to be told, can't think for self
tacit crystal
as of now slightly worse than equal ilevel ring
remember it takes 6 weeks before its even comparable
serene hollow
those are both rather unfortunate things
tender pecan
remember it takes 6 weeks before its even comparable
wdym whats the wait for
minor gust
Ignore that shit like a good boy
sullen plover
They buffed the previous onyx annulet to the point of meta. The new ring is weak at the moment but history points towards the repeat happening
I’m pretty sure the onyx annulet with certain stones at one point was also absolutely jacked and they actually had to tune it down
The 6 weeks to 639 ilvl is bad. You could craft a 636 ring in a few hours with all the crest changes
nova marsh
I’m pretty sure the onyx annulet with certain stones at one point was also absol...
It had to be tuned down in s2
Like a month in
Cuz it was still bis for some specs
mild nymph
fwiw
i dont believe ring has stam on it, blizzard is certainly incentivized to buff it to the point of it being able to overcome the stam loss in keys, as well as the obvious wanting people to play gam
nova marsh
If it dosent have stam it can fuxk off
We've been over stam loss items like sark cloak
They kinda just suck...but like shit like necrotic wake makes me rather die then take that this season
teal rampart
no execute build actually fun
Can you link build? Pls and ty
livid cloak
Can you link build? Pls and ty
teal rampart
Cheers
fresh spire
If it dosent have stam it can fuxk off
Think raidbots tooltip has stam
balmy kindle
Yet they are the ones being invited over most dps
It's the classic failing upwards
sullen plover
It's the classic failing upwards
100p
torpid jackal
So I just tried some fancy lil trick i saw somewhere and leaped dark exile, absolutely pogging cuz i get to continue dps, and then the next guy goes down and I just fall over dead D:
ornate relic
anyone who can craft 2h sword on tarren mill ?
midnight mural
So I just tried some fancy lil trick i saw somewhere and leaped dark exile, abso...
Yea you get a debuffs when you do that, and when it runs out you die. So unless boss is very low and you are going to kill it soon, you will be using a CR if you do that 😄
torpid jackal
Yea you get a debuffs when you do that, and when it runs out you die. So unless ...
TIL. All i knew about it before doing it was "be leaping when the projectile hits you"
naive sage
Yet they are the ones being invited over most dps
Fault is mine for not making a mage or a retri
slow saddle
What if Mythic+ Used Deaths Instead of a Timer?
Id fucking quit
Instantly
Ive timed 10s with 10-16 deaths
gaunt owl
mplussing is so stale they trying to flip flop it til its hot again
brittle pelican
What if Mythic+ Used Deaths Instead of a Timer?
what if they gave you choice when inserting key
viral locust
like this?
kek biggest change for M+ give us this
now
system already in place just add keys here
halcyon valve
What if Mythic+ Used Deaths Instead of a Timer?
it would suck
as the wowhead article discussed, yeah youd just wait for cooldowns before pulling a difficult pack. that would be lame
viral locust
yea it would be so dumb
Death penalty needs removing though, you already lose alot of time by dying, running back or dying with cds/bl up etc it's like you get punished twice
halcyon valve
just to BL every single pack
lmfao
worlds first +21 done like that in the new system because you lust every pull with full cooldowns
viral locust
if there was no timer and bl every pack think you would see alot higher than 21 lol
dim basalt
Just limit BLs and that problem is solved xd
halcyon valve
Death penalty needs removing though, you already lose alot of time by dying, run...
yeah tbf, they should rather move around to rewards for good play, not punishment for bad play
give people extra score, extra loot, whatever, if they complete a dungeon without deaths
snow flame
Long time no see
viral locust
Yea deathless run 623 instead of 613 would be sweet
or at least +1 level up loot
like how you got that extra item level for deathless DOTI
snow flame
So I just tried some fancy lil trick i saw somewhere and leaped dark exile, abso...
You got 30 seconds to kill boss if you do that
Or you die
snow flame
Damn that sucks
floral ledge
buff arms please " sv 11"
dim basalt
We're both shams afk or what
slow saddle
Prob just on aoe packs🤣
slow saddle
Point is if they could play, it woulndt look like that🤣
bleak fog
But 2,6 aint small
slow saddle
Nah its very big, but requires rest to do shit🤣
bleak fog
Depends on some stuff ofc but... 🙂
slow saddle
Atm col u sweepin first then cd into 1 omega cleave, means shit have to live a lot of globals😄
dim basalt
Depends which pull it is in SV
On the big pulls 2.6M isnt a lot
I do more than that on prot
slow saddle
I 100% presumed its overall?
chilly coyote
If you don't do 9b damage in a pull you're not pulling enough mobs 🤓
dim basalt
facts
midnight mural
Arms fucks very good in keys.
midnight mural
634 ret 635 mage
How was your boss damage ? Whenever i play without execute i feel like my boss damage is lackluster
dim basalt
How was your boss damage ? Whenever i play without execute i feel like my boss d...
1M to 1.2M is doable, can compete with every spec except enh kinda
quaint otter
^
quaint otter
1M to 1.2M is doable, can compete with every spec except enh kinda
Monk does some nuts st too
livid cloak
yeah about 1m to 1.2 is right, except for mistcaller for some reason
mistcaller and the 1st boss in dawnbreaker for w/e reason i do shit dam
😦
wooden sandal
as a arm do we use Slam often or never ?
quaint otter
as a arm do we use Slam often or never ?
If u have nothing to press mostly happens in st scenario
wooden sandal
If u have nothing to press mostly happens in st scenario
okay thank you ::)
slow saddle
mistcaller and the 1st boss in dawnbreaker for w/e reason i do shit dam
Every1 does
1st boss dawn u fly away
Mistcallet u gotta kill copies
midnight mural
oh lawd.... just had 21mil demo crit, 22mil MS crit AND and 16mil cleave crit on first boss on mists ahahaha - DELETED 
quaint otter
💪
slow saddle
oh lawd.... just had 21mil demo crit, 22mil MS crit AND and 16mil cleave crit o...
Now never play again🤘
This will never happen again
bleak jasper
quick question since i know nothing about arms
what do people usually play in keys
the slayer spec or
midnight mural
Now never play again🤘
it will with 40% crit 😄
silk spade
oh lawd.... just had 21mil demo crit, 22mil MS crit AND and 16mil cleave crit o...
I had a 19m cleave once
ive never gotten one so high again after doing the key a couple more times 
midnight mural
silk spade
maybe i had a monk or something, i dont remember
tacit crystal
@silk spade @reef glade hi
fresh spire
Hopefully spider dies tomorrow for us ready for christmas
Had around a 13% wipe. Need to get over that 2nd wave and boss dead asf
shadow ibex
i think we coulda killed court before change
but we had people who deadass thought blue always ran thru on pull
just straight up not being bothered to watch a video
like come on bro its week 3 and you say i thought blue always runs ahead on the pull
dim basalt
like come on bro its week 3 and you say i thought blue always runs ahead on the ...
Had something similar on Kyveza, after like 60 pulls our holy pally asked if we are actually supposed to drop the orbs on the markers
And we had been wondering why we get orbs insanely close to the melees sometimes
(nobody bothered to check logs)
halcyon valve
i won the pug lottery
started with a 11 grim batol, and we just did more keys afterwards???
so anyway i made 100 score tonight and finally got the ara kara trinket. this is HUGE
half vine
On Tuesday, is this ring going to be even worth a damn?
halcyon valve
Not yet
It might be worth in 6 weeks once you get it to max ilvl :^)
Unless they buff it some more
eager sigil
On Tuesday, is this ring going to be even worth a damn?
depending on the rings you got
mild nymph
it once more got buffed
livid cloak
i won the pug lottery
started with a 11 grim batol, and we just did more keys af...
huge
green tundra
how often/should i at all be using slam on single target or in cleave situations?
cinder marsh
What will be the ilvl of the new finger?
reef glade
how often/should i at all be using slam on single target or in cleave situations...
It’s relatively common
In single target at least
tacit crystal
reef glade
if in aoe and ur specced into cleave u prolly gonna hit it less cuz you got more buttons to hit but I mean if you’re down MS/OP and no sudden death procs and stuff you just fill with slams
Almost a real button now after getting buffed like 200% since last xpac
hushed pine
in AoE situations you press Slam automatically when spec'd into Fervor of Battle
reef glade
tacit crystal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/902189324341227562/1238500126994202655/11...
bro ive been so tired
reef glade
same, which is why bedge imminent 
tacit crystal
i believe sickness has begun to leave body
reef glade
poggers
tacit crystal
but sleep schedule might be ruined
sullen plover
Feel better bro!
brittle fiber
why are top parsers running thunderclap on pure ST like sikran?
boreal quartz
Pathing in the tree
Also if u dont eat the aoe (noob move) you can slap out of range for cdr
boreal quartz
slap out of range for what
Meant clap but yea
If u have a charge and cant spend rage
You can thunderclap
And cry about it
fresh spire
wild kernel
fresh spire
halcyon valve
I just cba binding two things for the same purpose
If that misses me some damage so be it
Its a sacrifice i am willing to make
tacit crystal
@boreal quartz
magic canopy
same, which is why bedge imminent <:wicked:937093876857045012>
What is your sleep schedule doin if you about to bedge man
Oh this was 2 hours ago I'm cooked
magic canopy
I legit clicked on the arms channel and that was the first thing I saw
Thought it was after noon it's over
reef glade
that my message was sent in the afternoon
or its afternoon right now
cause it is
that msg was 1 am 14 hours ago
magic canopy
Oh 1am I thought it was 1pm
reef glade
blud tweakin
magic canopy
reef glade
magic canopy
halcyon valve
TC applying red is UNNATURAL
slow saddle
Claps so hard it rends space
make it stop
silk spade
is your ret ok?
boreal quartz
idk i just want out
this boss is dogshit and i get to take break from wow once its dead
but it refuses to die
FFREEEEEEEEEEE
woven wasp
yeah quick one bang shouldnt take too long
boreal quartz
surely you also do queen
no
i got a 55 log on kill cuz i trolled p3 but idrc
ngl
eager sigil
FFREEEEEEEEEEE
killed 15 minutes after you o7
boreal quartz
You skipped court to kill queen?
no
i killed court
and will not play ayn longer
i just had to finish this boss for guilds sake
graceful light
what spec you guys like to use in bigger aoe dungeons like NW? slayer or colossus?
dim basalt
Colossus all the way
latent moss
and will not play ayn longer
based
boreal quartz
release me brother
i am free
i can now play league and all the actually fun games
whenever i want
regal wharf
i can now play league and all the actually fun games
league
fun
regal wharf
Anything but wow rn kan
Honestly like
I started WoW as a side game to 14 but fuck me wow is just so unfun
Like
eager sigil
quit
regal wharf
What good are fun classes when the content is just miserable
astral talon
Is it normal that I have to use dbts, ddtance, spell reflect, and still have to use either pot or healthstone to not die?
eager sigil
Is it normal that I have to use dbts, ddtance, spell reflect, and still have to ...
on what
astral talon
Yep
eager sigil
dstance and reflect
halcyon valve
Shit hurts
eager sigil
then pot/ healthstone usually for me
astral talon
I use that, jump away when it's like 3s away from ending, and I still die 😦
halcyon valve
Use tank trinket if you have any lol
foggy quiver
hello fellow arms brothers. as a Demolish m+ arms, do we press execute in execute phase at bosses?
or we stick with MS?
boreal quartz
Im at like 4 years of wow now
silk spade
Im at like 4 years of wow now
noob
boreal quartz
Thisll be first extended break from ce ish raid in 2,5 years
strange perch
Thisll be first extended break from ce ish raid in 2,5 years <:gladge:9639701377...
what now?
league ranked push?
astral talon
Thisll be first extended break from ce ish raid in 2,5 years <:gladge:9639701377...
Poe2 time
Join us
astral talon
play diablo in WoW
Nah
Poe2 more fun
Just don't make barbarian phil
Leveling on it sucks ass
Mercenary is fun and unique
dull siren
Just kill it
silk spade
first time i made a twink in WoW tbh
is there a bis list with enchants and shit anywhere
dull siren
is there a bis list with enchants and shit anywhere
somewhere yes
floral sierra
xpoff website
but u have to kinda look for it
just run hellfire ramparts + underbog
and slave pens
in tanaris u can buy Twarped items for marks of honor + badges(cheap)
like 10 pieces at ilvl54
eager sigil
Just kill it
he did
boreal quartz
league ranked push?
Idk yet
boreal quartz
<@653287531038900236> did u parse
Dogshit 55 cuz i killed myself in P3
And im 632
Cuz i refuse to play the game