arms

[dim basalt]

Average is still like 80 to 120 afaik

[olive nest]

How long was princess?

[dim basalt]

Close to 150

[eager sigil]

thats fine aswell

[olive nest]

Hmm and princess is also a positional boss

Like court

[dim basalt]

But thats also because we couldnt raid 2 nights so we had to re-learn

[olive nest]

Sounds like you guys will be fine

[eager sigil]

i left my guild after 250 wipes on princess

[olive nest]

Just have to learn the dance

[dim basalt]

I hope so

250 jesus

[eager sigil]

they killed yesterday i think after like 350

[olive nest]

My longest prog boss was Tindral 582 pulls to kill

[tardy crag]

[quaint otter]

I can't stand 2-3 wipes in pug and the man casually chills 250 wipes

[eager sigil]

it was just the same 4 people dying in p1

[boreal quartz]

250 wipes is whatev

[boreal quartz]

i did 560 on sark

[quaint otter]

[olive nest]

Yeah 250 is reasonable imo

[boreal quartz]

guild did 700 on tindral (didnt kill) but i left at 250 ish

[olive nest]

That’s what like, 2 days a week for 3 weeks* roughly 250 pulls

[olive nest]

700!!

Bless

[quaint otter]

💨

[boreal quartz]

to never kill it

quite funny

[quaint otter]

Good experience tho

[olive nest]

Oh man that feels turbo bad

[tardy crag]

They disband after that?

Would be soul crushing

[olive nest]

Waste so much time to get nothing

[boreal quartz]

no

but they bled a ton of actually competetent players

[tardy crag]

I guess to be fair lot of tindral wipes ended in first 1min so there's that

[boreal quartz]

im not one of those but i did leave

[boreal quartz]

they did not pass p3 first beams once

700 pull 3 nerfs in

2nd tindral lobotomy didnt help

[tardy crag]

[olive nest]

Really damn I thought p3 beam 1 was the easiest part of p3

[boreal quartz]

idk man p3 was like 1 mechanic set

i did frank and then rekill tindral is 🤷

[olive nest]

It was the collect seeds after first beam that murdered us

Damn gamers wouldn’t do the job

Like bro go grab a seed!!! Ffs

[dim basalt]

We had that with one person and after replacing them it only took like 30 minutes for the kill

[eager sigil]

yea our issue was never replacing them

[dim basalt]

I mean replacing 4 people is rough

[eager sigil]

also our healers were pretty ass
queensbane meant i had to sr dstance + healthstone or pot

or i died

but they killed after i left so maybe i was the problem

who nose

[olive nest]

👃

[rare kite]

👃

[sacred zodiac]

idk thats a fine defensive plan esp as arms on kyveza

if u play intermission properly w/ iv parry and sr you wont really need pot or stone during intermission

and statistically you'll get skipped by one of the 3 phases once so you'll be fine

[dim basalt]

For Queensbane I usually just used dstance + IV

Tried to keep everything else for intermission in case something sketchy happens

Worked fine for me

[thick kelp]

For Queensbane I call BoP

worked fine for me

[olive nest]

Our 3 paladins are wicked they just yolo those bops onto melee they see with queensbane

May or may not have wiped us a handful of times shooting orbs too soon

[thick kelp]

just pre bop lol

wont shoot orbs

at all

[hazy flower]

ye

thats why I love getting the first queensbane

It'll probably get bopped

[visual fern]

Its on bro

[raven ivy]

WHERE CHRISTMAS

SERVER ICON

[olive nest]

Yellow name does something to brain

[naive sage]

Still better than brown name

[dire hinge]

become the icon you want to see in the world

[finite mantle]

no more Christmas

cause of woke

[silk spade]

what are the wcl polls about

I can't open it on my phone for some reason

[finite mantle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1131163849685487707/1314299974065852476/image.png?ex=675344bc&is=6751f33c&hm=a27056e8e1c542d8a0a5c3186cb1bc6363fef787c2c3e32709de4d288da27af9&

[olive nest]

Why do they do this

[silk spade]

holy

[olive nest]

Just punish aoe specs

[silk spade]

based

[olive nest]

Hmm I could see tombs I guess

[silk spade]

parsing being so comp reliant is cringe as fuck

[olive nest]

No way ulgrax adds it’s literally part of the fight to kill them

[silk spade]

still padding and making people go aoe builds on a mostly st fight

when you can't even cleave the boss during intermission

[olive nest]

Hmm

Yeah I guess so

I guess it just feels bad for fury since we don’t do ST

[silk spade]

and if you have multiple omega burst specs you can't play the game

[finite mantle]

just implode fury problem solved

[fresh spire]

aint no way they trying to remover add damage again

[thick kelp]

implode fury +1

real answer row is 3,2,3

btw

[eager sigil]

only damage that should count is boss dam

[gaunt owl]

Based

[finite mantle]

only damage that should count is my dam

[eager sigil]

also true

[naive sage]

Real

[naive sage]

Real pt. 2

[naive sage]

The only thing that I could be fine with would be one big prio add

[livid cloak]

Just delete warcraftlogs.com

Problem solved

[naive sage]

Details addon too

[livid cloak]

Only screenshots of details allowed

[naive sage]

Just make it like Diablo

Once in a while you see like 680M damage for your dopamine

No more bigger dick competition

[livid cloak]

I made a blood dk alt, and have intentionally been avoiding dk discord and avoiding reading a lot for guides

Just vibe

And it's a lot more enjoyable

https://tenor.com/view/tangled-flynn-rider-i-dont-sing-swords-gif-7186585

[naive sage]

I don’t want to repeat myself but

real

[obtuse copper]

Nuts

[marble cosmos]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825250935001055252/1170591318511202404/speed.gif

[shadow ibex]

I leveled my enhance alt and just playing it like s2 df enh

Pretty much more well designed fury

Crash lightning is ww feral spirits has AM type cdr

during avatar rb or bt auto cast rampage is p much ascendance

[boreal quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[olive nest]

Haha size gap

[naive sage]

Don’t

[dim basalt]

I kinda like court P1

[hidden oasis]

Hey Guys, when I use Heroic Leap on the final boss at ara kara, I sometimes just get stuck on the boss, what am I doing wrong?

[dim basalt]

Jumping too early

You have to jump when the timer of the cast is on 0.9 seconds (left)

[hidden oasis]

ty mate, thought 1-1,1 was ok

[dim basalt]

At 1 she does a pull kind of a thing

[livid cloak]

You could also be in a puddle that was under the boss

That happened to me before lol

[shadow ibex]

I hate primordial wave but that's it

[summer quartz]

I've done the heroic leap at the right time thing, but can't do it consistently, so now I just leap to the safest puddle. Rather stay alive.

[astral yarrow]

when you char does an involuntary jump, you leap

[river lichen]

Guys

is this true

for normal raid

Warrior top 3

[tacit crystal]

what is the context

[rare kite]

yea but it's normal...

[tacit crystal]

mutou

you handle this i cba

[rare kite]

like it's not a great way of measuring a specs performance

[sacred zodiac]

what the fuck warrior needs to be nerfed immediately

its topping in normal

[rare kite]

wanna know something even crazier spongus???

it's top 2 in heroic

insane

[sacred zodiac]

wtf?

thats only cause of tomb damage !1!!

[rare kite]

basically meta spec, needs a nerf for sure

[silk spade]

surely wcl gets a grip and deletes tomb damage after the poll

[tepid hull]

At 15 stacks of juggernaut, you only press MS to refresh rend right?

[tepid hull]

I understand the existence of that talent

[inner terrace]

[shadow ibex]

x2 EP and x2 4pc

[lime ruin]

How do you guys go about your rotation/build in silken court? I want to swap arms just for a change of pace but I don't have the impact like I do on Fury.

Mythic court

[lime ruin]

at max jugg exe phase I press MS after I eventually get 2 overpower stacks

Tends to keep rend up comfortably

[shy dove]

Any deeps wanna hit up some 10s ara kara for gilded and vault credits 631 tank

[fallen copper]

Fervor of battle slam when you are buffed with sweeping strikes also hits the secondary target?

and, if that's the case, in two targets close enough to be cleaved, inside the sweeping strikes it's more valuable to hit mortal strike or cleave?

[boreal quartz]

It does

[boreal quartz]

On 2 ms is still better

But you do fill with cleave

[fallen copper]

Hmm, thanks for the info sir/lady

[balmy kindle]

vaults filled for the week, time for POE 2

[dim basalt]

Surely it will be playable in the first week

[balmy kindle]

[fresh spire]

Unfil vault. Poe2 anyway

They already said expect queues

D4 players about to see a real game

[thick kelp]

Cant wait to sit in login Q for 3 hours

[fresh spire]

Play phasmo while queue

I'm fine with that

Or watch alkaizer

[astral yarrow]

imma be at a work party thinking of PoE 😦

[thick kelp]

use remote controll to start the Q

[astral yarrow]

im home tomorrow

[thick kelp]

Just dm tmy to drive from sweden to open your pc

[astral yarrow]

worst part is, gf is also at a work party until past midnight

its full despairge

[thick kelp]

its over

might aswell wait for fullrelease now

you are ognna be so far behind

[astral yarrow]

its just more fun being there when everything happens

[thick kelp]

[astral yarrow]

but not often you get to get drunk with the CEO paying

[thick kelp]

Most certainly not

free boose is free boose

[marble crystal]

hi all

[astral yarrow]

hi rob

[marble crystal]

I try play warrior better

[astral yarrow]

thats good

[marble crystal]

these are my logs

is this ok for Ilvl 620

[astral yarrow]

pretty good

m+ logs are irrelevant

[marble crystal]

thanks but is it good for ilvl 620

[thick kelp]

m+ logs are irrelevant

[marble crystal]

ah why is that ?

[astral yarrow]

its a combination of metrics that is largely irrelevant

raid logs are more useful to compare

but logs also differ from details breakdown after the run, which makes it more confusing

[marble crystal]

ow but i never raid 😉

i only push m+

[astral yarrow]

im sorry about that

[young meadow]

Do we have an idea how strong the upcoming ring is going to be?

[steep osprey]

No clue but it should be stronger than normal rings

[slow saddle]

what demo build would we use on ovinax ?:D

[naive sage]

If you played df s2 I think it’s comparable to the forbidden shore ring

[thick kelp]

whats your goal

just mongo aoe blast

[slow saddle]

well

its just hc

so ehm...

ETHICAL AOE

😄

[thick kelp]

just drop sks for cleave

and thats it

[slow saddle]

so its the ST build ?

[thick kelp]

yeah

[slow saddle]

from wowhead?

[thick kelp]

sure

[slow saddle]

coz i gotta be honest havent tried it ever 😄

its called 2 target raid?

[thick kelp]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOBUUFUFQiEVKSUUBQOVVERURBlUmFEEQCEEEFVVUBV

[slow saddle]

Fr not sharpened blades?

this does seem kindda weird ?

isnt it made before they buffed ms ?

theres no way 1 more in deft is worth it?

[latent moss]

sb is kinda shit still

[latent moss]

u underestimate the power of more tactician procs

[balmy kindle]

LOGIN

[fresh spire]

LOGIN

Working till 4:30

Get gome and download intime to queue

Good times

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/poe2-login-poe2-gif-17607649316887088565

[balmy kindle]

Preloaded and took leave

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/poe2-login-poe2-gif-17607649316887088565

[daring heron]

has it begun

[fresh spire]

D4 players about to have such a delight

While.poe1 players are scared their games ruined

(Poe1 isn't impacted by poe2 btw)

(Poe1 league delayed for poe2 btw)

[astral yarrow]

poe1 players thinking it isnt the smart the decision for a company to delay league for poe2 successful EA

[fresh spire]

Real and true

It's just the statement of. It won't impact and it immediately did

Like I'm not even annoyed league is delayed. Just need to make sure when it does come it's a fucking banger

[astral yarrow]

yeah it wasnt the smartest move lol

PR team a little too fast for developers

[balmy kindle]

Time to play while watching clown69 in the other screen

"chat I am immune to physical damage ! " Proceeds to get splatted

[slow saddle]

Man fury and arms ST is close atm

in raid that is,

why would u bother with arms then ?

[eager sigil]

No fury rings /neck

[slow saddle]

true. hmm im simmin within like 50k i think

but more rings are prob better for fury

only thing is fury is so much more tanky that its dumb

and it seems arms logs are pretty dependant on gettin a lucky streak with Juggernaut so its stacked for last 35%

[halcyon valve]

because arms is the objectively better spec, fuck fury /spit

[sacred zodiac]

me when devaluing the meaning of the word objectively until we need a new word to mean the same thing

[halcyon valve]

i did a survey and it came back with 100% votes for arms 0% for fury

[halcyon valve]

fun fact, some dictionaries have "figuratively" as a definition for "literally" because of exactly that

[balmy kindle]

Because holding 2 weapons looks dumb as hell from a RP pov

Also I like

[halcyon valve]

[slow saddle]

If it hit hard

Then id love it 2

[balmy kindle]

Every time I play fury on ansurek/ keys I just cringe inside

Nothing beats hitting crits on MS and demolish

[shadow ibex]

I don't mind fury but only reckless

Otherwise bt and rb just feel like ass

[halcyon valve]

fury does many small numbers but i want to see big number

[balmy kindle]

Fury on reckless .

Fury outside of reck

The only thing I like about fury is bladestorm and

[latent moss]

JA CLAPPA

[balmy kindle]

Also on fury I miss

When you hit that 20+ stack collateral

[halcyon valve]

b i g n u m be r

[shadow ibex]

Just crit

[livid cloak]

Because you like it more

I can't imagine any other reason why someone would be playing arms so far this expansion other than they just like it

[slow saddle]

True, i mean i do enjoy it more. But the difference in survivability...

Not even having ip as arms is rouhh

[livid cloak]

What content are you doing? Arms has done all mythic raid fights and up to 16s in keys

[slow saddle]

Just mythic prog

And ofc it can

Its a non issue, but proggin, you do feel the difference quite a lot

In m+ i almost only play demo🤣, but i just play 1s

10s

[balmy kindle]

Isnt the difference mostly with living though, with enough gear and good play it's probably a non factor

[slow saddle]

Ofc but, i mean if arms doesnt do more dmg, u are in theory straining healers

And like kyveza

For reclear ill arms all the way

[thick kelp]

you are letting your healers parse

by giving them more to heal

[livid cloak]

Also the difference is so slight in st. You will do better on what you're comfy with

[dim basalt]

Hard to not be comfy with fury

[livid cloak]

I just dislike fury

So i don't play it lol

[balmy kindle]

Hurts to say that it's easier to do your vaults with fury though

[livid cloak]

Nah

[balmy kindle]

If I apply to 10s on arms there's a good chance it's declined

[livid cloak]

That's bc of your io and ilvl

I'm 2950 and never get declined from 10s for vault as arms lol

[balmy kindle]

2950 is near title though and you are probably 639 or near

[livid cloak]

635

But even before that still wasn't an issue

[balmy kindle]

I do play on OCE so that's a debuff as well

[livid cloak]

12s were my only big barrier as arms and they are still goofy even though I have them timed

Title is like 3300 rn I'm pretty sure

[balmy kindle]

Am at 2696 now, still trying to get all 11s

Not gonna bother pushing outside of weekly vaults, juice ain't worth squeezing

[livid cloak]

Yeah make a 10 key and you'll see tons of 3k people applying for vault keys

[balmy kindle]

Depends on time for me, OCE can cause alot of issues for native NA players, mainly ping

Na is playable for me at 150-190 ms but it doesn't warrant buying a transfer to tichon yet

[dim basalt]

I wish that was close to title lmao

It's like 3260 or so

[balmy kindle]

3260, that's like 18s all ?

[dim basalt]

3k is barely all 12s

3260 is all 15s I believe

[balmy kindle]

Oh wait time taken to clear gives more Io too

[dim basalt]

That doesn't matter much

[livid cloak]

Low 2900s is all 12s

3k is 3 to 4 13s

[dim basalt]

Which is nothing tbh

With current gear

[quaint otter]

Giga hard in pug...

I cant remember a season being so scuffed

[naive sage]

True

On my enha I am like 2960 with 2 13 timed
But it is really hard to do anything in pug

[dim basalt]

At that rating people still don't know half the mechanics

[teal fossil]

It’s a tough game man

[misty yew]

This build best for AoE M+?

[quaint otter]

drop massacre for bb

[boreal quartz]

Swap mass for EB if based

[misty yew]

bb?

im already in bloodborne..

[quaint otter]

eb*

[teal fossil]

Can you do bl instead

[livid cloak]

Get rid of ignore pain

Take fueled by violence

[tacit crystal]

swap dn

or ill give you dn

[quaint otter]

True

Dn us shit

[finite mantle]

there’s supposed to be a penalty not an incentive

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-yippee-gif-yippee-cat-gif-12933084691297211872

[chrome comet]

hey guys

can someone link me an m+ talent?

[tacit crystal]

#1273899844599283733 message

[chrome comet]

bro think i didnt check that

[tacit crystal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/254170190621835264/1113105101675036732/dratnos.gif

[plush belfry]

Can't decide on BL vs EP for colossus arms. Any thoughts?

[balmy kindle]

almost beat the ret

[halcyon valve]

The 10m hit not critting is unlucky

[balmy kindle]

ikr

[radiant gale]

whats the pref talents for mythic + when doing +10 keys and up ?

[eager sigil]

prot

[radiant gale]

ty for sarcasm 🙂

[eager sigil]

np

also thats what i do

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/poe2-login-poe2-gif-17607649316887088565

Soon

1 hour to game. 4 hours of queues

[shadow ibex]

I swear skarm is bugged

Never gotten crit on absorb shield

[radiant gale]

all good my g 🙂

[shadow ibex]

With demolish

Every time I kill it every single demolish is normal hit never crits

[eager sigil]

thats how shields work i think

[silk spade]

https://tenor.com/view/poe2-login-poe2-gif-17607649316887088565

[shadow ibex]

What is the point of living? To drink all this water and piss

[balmy kindle]

LOGIN

[dim basalt]

born to live, forced to shit

[fresh spire]

Born to shit. Forced to wipe

[teal fossil]

Crits don’t show on absorb shields

Been like this forever

Is your other abilities critting on shields

[balmy kindle]

10 M on skarm is pog tho

[finite mantle]

🫡

[balmy kindle]

Steam patch LOGIN

[tacit crystal]

LOGIN

[manic river]

Rets starting to sweat when they see that

Bro finally POE is updating for me

[balmy kindle]

cant LOGIN yet

[manic river]

Yeah mine doesn't log in either

[manic river]

Realm in mantainance, rip

[fresh spire]

its time

LETS GO

https://tenor.com/view/poe2-login-poe2-gif-17607649316887088565

[balmy kindle]

its 4:30 am here time to and wake up 6 hours later

[tacit crystal]

you gotta sit in queue

[finite mantle]

get your ass in that queue soldier

[steep osprey]

What server do I go on

Least ping?

[fresh spire]

https://imgur.com/a/QguFU5J

[fresh spire]

QUEUE IS MOVING

[steep osprey]

Bad day to have eyes

[fresh spire]

goated take

[tacit crystal]

[finite mantle]

who knew his writing was this fire

[tacit crystal]

something somethign his chat made him tweet

[steep osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

I'm in this screen where the 2 grinders are moving around

hello

[tacit crystal]

i got removed from queue

everyone get kicked out?

[tacit crystal]

inb4 servers exploded

[fresh spire]

i was making my character

getting database error

[fresh spire]

we're so back

[tacit crystal]

wtf

how i buy the stash tabs with the 300 points i got from the ea key

[steep osprey]

ingame

[fresh spire]

spam enter

repeat

[steep osprey]

no

too far

[tacit crystal]

like that?

[steep osprey]

This error seems to be unexpectedly occuring a lot

[tacit crystal]

one more time wouldnt hurt right

[steep osprey]

Do one push up for each unexpected error

[tacit crystal]

i would be skinny instantly

ive spammed like 500 times

every minute

might have been 60 minutes

[steep osprey]

Might as well restart the client

there's no way this is gonna change

[tacit crystal]

im going to go do something i said i was going to do today

going to play next week anywyas

[steep osprey]

hmm

[manic river]

Europe servers are completely trashed

[balmy kindle]

[fresh spire]

too good to be true

almost got into town this time

[tacit crystal]

i got

Gioxx

so powerful

[latent moss]

@strange perch hi warlordsofdraenor

[steep osprey]

mercenary is cracked

[dim basalt]

Its wild that some play HC right away

Absolute madmen

[quaint otter]

Actual gamers

The challenge is not to get mad due to losing to a tech issue

[fresh spire]

roll is a little sus

feel like sometimes its super forgiving with pathing through mobs other times i feel like im just rolling into a wall, count boss was annoying with wolves

roll and get pushed right back from middle to edge because of a mob

[summer meadow]

anybody able to help a new warrior? playing wow/classic for the first time and am struggling to understand stat prio (specifically weapons) and if bonebiter is better or Grimlok's charge

[tacit crystal]

fishy

[summer meadow]

bonebiter has more damage, but grimlok has more DPS and better stats

[tacit crystal]

what warrior build did you cook

[fresh spire]

for colossus?

[tacit crystal]

no

poe

mr staddy

[fresh spire]

oh im playing poison ranger rn

[tacit crystal]

you might want to check out the classic warrior discord

google fight club wow

!

[fresh spire]

didnt really make a build just logged in and winging the fuck out of it

ill look at build guide on 2nd character

[tacit crystal]

err

actually go here

https://www.wowhead.com/discord-servers

fair

im not going to actually play until next week

so i was just in discord with friends for a bit

then went to do something else

[wild kernel]

God bless the arms prio change for sks

Trying to be <85 rage before using it was awful

[strange perch]

Hello

[tacit crystal]

pauck

did not respond to me

!

@strange perch

why mean

[quaint otter]

[south frigate]

Arms better for keys or raid at the moment ?

[quaint otter]

Both good at avg level

Different playstyles tho

Slayer for raid
Colossus for m+

[south frigate]

When would u pick arms over fury ?

[tacit crystal]

never!

enthusiast spec

[quaint otter]

[tacit crystal]

im not lying

[quaint otter]

Well fury is better in raid just becuz million adds fight

[lime ruin]

Idk if I'm just better at arms but for ST fights like princess, and Sikran, or exe fight like Rashanan I perform a lot better as arms

Ulgrax doesn't really need you to go AoE unless you want to parse

This is mythic btw

[quaint otter]

💪

[slow saddle]

I sim within 40k pn both specs tbh. So i thinks gear dependant more than anything else

Unless u gog abnormal long execute phases🤣

[wintry arch]

I don’t remember the stats off the top of my head. But you want to compare top end damage and a slower swing timer is better. (Assuming both weapons are within reasonable dps range of each other). The other stats really shouldn’t be a consideration since most of your dmg comes from white swings.

Also if you’re arms spec you should use axe specialty and take bone biter.

[odd iron]

do we have a dispell or a cleanse?

i genuinely have no idea

[minor urchin]

You can talent Bitter Immunity but it’s a 3 minute CD

[odd iron]

so this affix is rough then

[minor urchin]

It definitely helps but I’d prefer if they dropped the CD to 1.5 and reduced the healing it gives as a trade off

[odd iron]

any insight on what i should replace for it?

[odd iron]

could i drop rumbling earth?

[naive sage]

Impending victory is nice especially if you have hots on you which will finish the job

[odd iron]

what is hots

[naive sage]

Heroes of the storm

Jk heals over time

[odd iron]

lol oh i gotcha

i can survive the affix its just more or less taking strain off healers and letting me get the damage buff

bitter immunity is the only cleanse?

[minor urchin]

You could swap it for the improved leap depending on how reliant you are on it

[naive sage]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1fz5f2q/list_of_of_who_can_deal_with_affix/?rdt=57305

[odd iron]

actually really helpful thank u

and thank u sir liam

[naive sage]

[elfin violet]

I think this col build for 12's for some more ST is legit, like around 4-5% aoe loss for 8% ST gain from the standard

[wintry arch]

I’m not sure how much critical thinking is helping you there

[wintry scroll]

How does the break the meta stuff work

Is it like per person score or per team group key done

[elfin violet]

well i mostly simmed it against 1 point bb and it performed better

[hushed pine]

Day 404 of asking Sweeping Strikes to be off gcd

[tacit crystal]

he left

[strange perch]

Any build is viable as long as you pursue casual level content.
Unfortunately meta is meta for a reason.

[livid cloak]

This won't help as much as you think. You're basically gimping what you do best, which is solid aoe damage every single pack, to make what you do worst (boss st) slightly better

Just lean into the big consistent aoe

It will help your group the most

Swapping bb for exe talents, and losing mbg for crit thinking is just not anything I would ever recommend

[elfin violet]

yeah i mean i get it, just trying to find a sweetspot build where i ll gain some st without sacrificing much

[livid cloak]

Just take soa and battle lord

I've been running no mass no ep for a couple of weeks now and it hasn't affected my boss damage much and is just solid consistent damage and gameplay

Especially with how many boss fights have adds to cleave down

Or just play slayer

[elfin violet]

yeah thats the one i ve been running

[strange perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYS_qFWx7-M @latent moss found the song you were looking for hope you enjoy

[latent moss]

fuck is this warlordsofdraenor

i will give it a listen ty for the suggestion

[odd leaf]

hey why does archimtiros guide on icy veins recommend haste flask but on wowhead recommends alchemical chaos?

[elfin violet]

if u using tempered pots go alchemical else go crit flask

[odd leaf]

oh ok thanks!

but what pot should i use if crit flask?

[latent moss]

sim

sim everything

u might be very low on haste

so haste flask is better

[strange perch]

Simming is only for big nerds i would recommend just doing whatever you feel like is cooler

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-crash-out-gif-2849954226247434587

[naive sage]

90% crit

[strange perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9uTScSgzrM

[strange perch]

With "new" "illusion of choice" trees you wont find a sweet spot suitable for all cases (e.g. same build for mazes and all raid encounters). It is not Path of Exile.

[teal fossil]

It’s all subjective after a certain point

You can gain 5% st but how much aoe are you willing to lose in aoe

3%? 5%? 10%?

[latent moss]

arms has a lot of flexibility in m+ builds

its just that everyone does everything now

[elfin violet]

when MS cosplays demolish in Ingra

[icy mulch]

Has anyone else played that slayer build the Rank 1 Chinese player is running? What is the point of intervene? That's just going to kill you if you try to reflect something for the tank.

[reef glade]

rank 1 in what

and i mean theres like 2 extra talent points in the tree that are completely useless no

intervene can just be used for extra movement

[halcyon valve]

well, you simply do not intervene the tank

[dim basalt]

Is it still the boosted CN warrior

[livid cloak]

Yes, ignore that warrior

He does tank damage

[shadow ibex]

Playing colossus on court prog feels like home

No dumb BS cdr

Short demo cast inside dmg amp instead of forever duration bs

[livid cloak]

I tried a generic slayer arms build in a gb12 yesterday

No thank you I did not like it lol

[shadow ibex]

I haven't played slayer outside raid since heroic dung farming

Still no fury

Cept fuckin brood but thats actually a super fun time

[livid cloak]

Colossus feels really fun to play

[dim basalt]

Indeed

Wish it was good on ST too

[livid cloak]

If cs gave reck again or there was some bonus rage generation during execute phase it would be nice

Or if ms just didn't hit like shit

Without mods

The gameplay feedback with battle lord and exhi blows feels good

Imo at least it feels rewarding to play

[shadow ibex]

Its a p low bar tbh since arms without it is just MS filler filler filler MS

But yea getting the MS reset is def fun

[icy mulch]

Yeah, it felt shit in AoE and Shit in ST.

[livid cloak]

Yep

I did not get the 150k dps st bump as expected

It felt the same lol

[icy mulch]

I don't totally hate Col Arms, I just dislike how janky it is to get the mega burst.

[shadow ibex]

Playing colo with spear on court rn

https://tenor.com/view/roll-the-dice-king-cuphead-gif-23368960

[eager sigil]

is that more roll the dice than slayer execute fishing?

[shadow ibex]

with spear i think for sure

have avatar reck tho

so maybe just about equal level of gamba

[minor gust]

Everything about arms is a gamba. Crit or no crit that's the life

[halcyon valve]

you miss 100% of the big hits you dont gamble for

always keep gambling

[shadow ibex]

rather gamba on demo than spend dmg amp window spinning

[livid cloak]

Man

Engineering tinkers are so bad in season 1

[shadow ibex]

feel like last time engi loot was useful was BFA azerite gear helmet craft

[livid cloak]

No sprint belt

No brez bracers

[shadow ibex]

those nitro boots

well mop classic is coming back

engi will be great again

and skinning for extra crit chance

worgen fury warrior 1% crit chance into 2% crit chance on BT since it has x2 crit

i miss that era of wow

[fresh spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[minor gust]

If court doesn't die tonight I'ma be a really really sad man

[shadow ibex]

i believe

i think we can kill it next week

no way tonight unless just amazing prog tn

[boreal quartz]

same

[minor gust]

We had a 5% and a 3% last raid night

That last bit of the fight is crazy

[boreal quartz]

yea

idk if itll be dead this reset

just starting p3 really

but its low as shit already

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/sadcat-gif-6770984209275368356

[boreal quartz]

im playing based shit

at least

[minor gust]

It's the second half of P3 just dealing with the constant mechanics and all the shit going on at once

Just need to get to that last dispell with everyone alive

And fight is over

[minor gust]

I was playing colo for like the first 100 pulls and just switched to no OF thane shit just feels really good and consistent for that fight and my raid grp

[shadow ibex]

we dont have a dk or i'd be more interested in hitting adds

that + web duty means chasing them is

nah sorry buddy

[minor gust]

Yeah we needed more add cleave and I didn't want to take cleave on Colossus arms just for adds

[shadow ibex]

if one gets close enough to hit without scaring other grp color i hard focus to get exe demo stacks

[minor gust]

Plus getting the swarm when your breaking webs fucking murders so fury was just nicer

[boreal quartz]

cursed colo

tbh

but its most fun

[minor gust]

I was playing Krisps build for court

With spear EB and BL

Didn't have a problem with demo timings even with the low crit.

[shadow ibex]

got scallywag ring last week

like 30% crit or smth

if only we could tkae 2/2 CT

[boreal quartz]

this is so disgusting

[boreal quartz]

im not playing spear

rest is same

[minor gust]

I liked spear was fun but def felt like ok colo in general and spear is something I should just do on farm because it's just gambling on dmg amps.

[boreal quartz]

i mean with my crit

spear wont beworth

[minor gust]

I think I'm at 30%

In arms gear

[shadow ibex]

avatar reck helps prop spear up i guess

[minor gust]

Also the shit that really annoyed me about arms on court is the beginning waiting for the bosses to get together.

Yeah I ran warlords torment with spear

[boreal quartz]

yes holy shit

[shadow ibex]

yea i want to like the fight

2 target cleave as arms

but got some shit that sucks

[boreal quartz]

i like how all arms fun bosses

court

council of dreams

expriments

are all cancer

for arms

[shadow ibex]

fuckin god experiments

trying to teach dumbass ranged not to charge the boss to africa

jesus fuckin christ please dont make me think of that

god i hate range players

[minor gust]

Dude especially with spear. Having to send 1:30 CDs at a certain time but then the other boss refuses to join together so you have to send spear and ava early is a big sad

[boreal quartz]

ye with roar u sometimes snipe both

[boreal quartz]

echo was fun on arms thjo

at least

happy i did last few that tier as arms

[minor gust]

Any fight that lusted in execute was so much fun as arms

[boreal quartz]

sark on arm very fun

bro hc boosts for sark

boss in exe for p3

[minor gust]

Loved Echo

[boreal quartz]

with 10 stack and BL

annihilation

[eager sigil]

good raid for arms

[minor gust]

The begining of the fight for Echo sucked tho

[eager sigil]

wasnt too bad as melee

only 1 spot to learn

not like 4 per circle

[minor gust]

Yeah that was fine I just didn't like how the fight was played also having to stop dmg before P2 ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[boreal quartz]

my fave was fated where he went immune p2

and u just got 15 stacks into p3

and oneshot him

[minor gust]

Yup

[slow saddle]

Arms was better in df as a spec

[shadow ibex]

rage was dumb

dumb now but for new reasons

[slow saddle]

Rage was fine

Overcappin was non issie

🤣

But it felt less clunky

Fuck tom

[minor gust]

I still think they shoulda kept rage where it was at and just give us better ways to spend it

And just delete TOM instead of killing it

[slow saddle]

Meh just reduce the spike

25% rage increase not 100

And we would still have burst whem pressen wb imto demo

[boreal quartz]

i liked old ww

[minor gust]

It's ok one day Blizz will hire a dev that plays warrior and we'll hit a new golden age

[shadow ibex]

just knee jerk reaction

[boreal quartz]

slowly going crazy

[minor gust]

Knee jerk reaction was killing SOS instead of just nerfing the rage cost

[boreal quartz]

ye

[minor gust]

SOS was the coolest talent we got in DF

Big WW

[shadow ibex]

i mean u can just look to current sos to know they dont plan any of these changes just throw nonsense at the wall

heres 30% chance to get a free cleave yippy

but none of them told the others they made it cost 20 rage and so why the fuck

[minor gust]

Oh boy a free cleave I saved 20 rage OMG the talent is amazing!

Yeah the beginning of alpha was infuriating none of the changes had thought behind it

[fresh spire]

blizzard going to take our current talen t set up

and run a randomiser on it

and then post it for 11.1

[minor gust]

Shockwave now back on the bottom of the tree

That shit was hilarious. After 2 years they finally listened moved shockwave up and made everything else worse

The class tree is dog

[shadow ibex]

playing enh alt and looking at class tree

lmao

can get everything at the bottom

[slow saddle]

Big gripe is torment havent been reverted! Its a fuckin crime also remove 2 handed spec and aura buff to compensate

[minor gust]

Torments for arms needs a redo

Warlords made press CS feel good

You felt that rage steroid and it felt great

[slow saddle]

Keep buffing ms as well!

[quaint aspen]

hello z-tier fellas

[slow saddle]

Arms talent tree is a complete mess

Only "rework" that made class worse🤣🤣

[slow saddle]

Was to muvh but just.nerf the rage gain 50%😅

Imagine if mage shield was as bad as ip it wouldda been fixxed!

[minor gust]

Yeah a 50% rage nerf would of been fine as long as reck is still tied to CS and not fucking avatar

[slow saddle]

Ofc!🤣

[eager sigil]

colossus arms on silken feels kinda ass if you lose any uptime

[boreal quartz]

Eh works out fine

Esp if u play no jugg

[minor gust]

yee no jugg and using BL and EB makes it no big deal

[dull siren]

Yeah but slayer just feels good

[regal socket]

Listen up I don’t think you understand how hard it is to play Ret [Retribution Paladin]. All this talk that we are “busted” and “constantly complaining for more buffs” just doesnt make sense. We are one of the few classes that FINALLY get to shine after all these years (looking at you MAGES ). Rotationally, its very complex for what we have to do to do “good” damage. Not only do we have to keep our Holy Power in check , we ALSO have to make sure our Final Reckoning AND our Wake of Ashes is in the perfect spot to do ANY damage. We lose everything if you guys move at all. Classes like Mage and Enhancement Shamans don’t have to worry about these issues like WE do. On top of all of this, the apm it takes to play Ret [Retribution Paladin] is more than any other class has ever been. We are constantly getting FLOODED with Holy Power and if we ever overcap, its gg (that means good game). When I’m playing Ret [Retribution Paladin], I’m never not pressing a button while mages get to sit there and hard cast Pyroblast (3 [three] second cast btw [by the way]). I’d like to see other people even try and compete with me as a Ret [Retribution Paladin] because they would crumble under the weight of all the responsibility, apm, and mental pressure it takes to pull off what I can do. Whatever, I’m out, I gotta go do some high keys now, pushing for that 2k (2,000 [two thousand]) rating, later nerds.

[nova marsh]

This is how half of all ret paladin's think

[regal socket]

We are constantly getting FLOODED with Holy Power and if we ever overcap, its gg (that means good game)

[regal wharf]

colossus arms in keys is super fun

[static grove]

Real or sarcasm?

[regal wharf]

Real ‼️

[golden anchor]

Let him cook

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-very-poor-choice-words-gif-22861860

[icy mulch]

Most of the ones I play with, all realize how simple it is. One even said they play it cause they can do watch anime or Netflix while doing keys.

[nova marsh]

They're the other half

[strange perch]

Sunbeams go boooooooom whroooom shooooooom wruuuuuum boooom! And Sometimes hammers go bonk.

[strange perch]

Ret. ..... hard ...... LMAO

https://tenor.com/view/rock-garrosh-gif-24848307

Ret will never experience bliss of Bladestorm.

[icy mulch]

Lol, all I picture is some Ret paladin sitting there playing with toy trucks.

[regal wharf]

first 11 done

didnt time it but!

[gritty ginkgo]

There is nothing special about skullsplitter now right? i just use it? I dont have to line it up with CS or anything?

[icy mulch]

It's a start! Congrats

[livid cloak]

Use it on cd, sweep it if you can, use it with troar

If you use it on cd every 3rd will line up with troar

[gritty ginkgo]

ok, so no need to try and line up with cs

[livid cloak]

Troar buffs the bleed dam, so it helps a lot

No you use it after roar then you send it on cd

[gritty ginkgo]

o7

ty

[slim cypress]

this is always the metric im most proud of

even more than damage done sometimes lol

[regal wharf]

10 GB timed

[tacit crystal]

nice

[minor gust]

@boreal quartz Big booty Judy is next

[regal wharf]

Would you rather fuck queen ansureks pussy or her web hole

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520

[tacit crystal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[hexed saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-brick-parry-gif-27597104

[astral talon]

both

[balmy dew]

[thick kelp]

My wife keeps grouping with a dps warrior

I'm leveling as prot. I want to play warrior how it should be played: tanking dungeons and smashing heads with my shield. I'm solo self found, so it's a bit tough & I've fallen behind a few levels. I enjoy being able to play with my wife's mage. I thought playing together would bring us closer.

She met a friend while leveling in higher level zones. He only plays DPS warrior. She keeps insisting he groups with us. I can hear her laughing at the stuff he whispers to her while we're dungeoning. He was able to level more quickly than me because he kept getting the best 2h weapon he could find and killing mobs. It's especially annoying because he constantly pulls mobs off of me. I tell him to wait for threat, but he says stuff like "the honeybadger pulls when he wants!" and just uses the rage from their attacks to do even more damage. He constantly talks about his Mercedes and goes "Mind if I roll NEED" in a goblin voice whenever tank gear drops.

After we do dungeons together, my wife will often go in a private "DPS only" call with him to compare their meters. Sometimes she will stay in that call for an hour or more. She locks her door while she's in it. I baked cookies for us and tried to share them. She told me to just slide them under the door one by one. I felt pathetic doing it.

Does anyone have any tips on how I can catch up in leveling? I want to be high enough level to not worry about this stuff anymore.

[fresh spire]

When ever I see people like this I always think you should go for the high score

[fresh spire]

New lore just droppe

[naive sage]

as an Italian, nice pasta

[weak wave]

Nice Fairy Tale 🙂

[lost violet]

Hi could someone help me? Do we just send Ravager on CD and demolish as well? Or do we delay

[boreal quartz]

Ideally sync with wb/cs

But more uses is generally better than good uses

[lost violet]

Thanks!

[silk spade]

sync with dn

[fresh spire]

What's dn

[silk spade]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-laughing-gif-4061075348667817765

[white condor]

Plz tell me we are better than fury now been playing classic fresh and coming back

[dim basalt]

About equal

[teal fossil]

If you aren’t enh or Aug you are equal to everyone else

[tranquil sundial]

arms or fury for queen prog?

for effective dam

not roots or skitterers

[empty sluice]

if 1 warr in raid, I would say fury

if 2, you can go 1 and 1 tho

[naive sage]

I lost a bit track but aren’t new patch notes for 0.7 coming? It’s been a while

For sure they’re cooking arms rework

[misty bridge]

12.0 for sure

[fresh spire]

Fury to delete small adds

And intermission. Boss damage is getting irrelevant with the raid damage buff going up

You keep p2/3 clean by deleting adds the stress of raid drops heavily

[thorn token]

as a second italian, ma che stracazzo stai dicendo

[naive sage]

Suca

[thorn token]

no tu

[sacred zodiac]

jilken jourt

[slow saddle]

Id say overall worse, small higher dmg, but jugger can be volatile

[gaunt owl]

better need to be defined

its like using viable or word like this

the question is always what does your raid team needs

[dire hinge]

good boss dam

[sly venture]

Fury is better. It's like asking "Are women better at making babies?". Ty all, end of story.

[shadow ibex]

[minor gust]

idk I feel like I could make a pretty mean baby

[shadow ibex]

Read berserk for tips on how to make a mean baby

[rancid solstice]

Fury warriors are a bunch of women confirmed
Edit; pregnant

[nova marsh]

At least fury is a tier

Arms is f tier swamp ass trash

[shadow ibex]

What

[halcyon valve]

arms is either A or G tier

A for Arms
G for Gamble

[shadow ibex]

Pinnacle of moment to moment gameplay for war is playing colossus and getting many EB

[halcyon valve]

[shadow ibex]

I love arms but if u told me least played dps I wouldn't bat an eye

[halcyon valve]

smh critcake hasnt even been in every dungeon as arms 😔

[slim cypress]

Never tried fury and this my first season playing arms, is fury harder or easier in m+? I find colossus arms pretty simple

[quaint otter]

Fury is kinda easy

[terse osprey]

Fury war ez af

[halcyon valve]

I have played a grand total of 0 hours of fury this expansion

[silk spade]

fury is easier

[terse osprey]

Do yall run Colossus or slayer for delves?

[slim cypress]

from what i gather its just ST stuff with whirlwind mixed in, using improved whirlwind/meat cleaver to cause your stuff to cleave?

or do they replace whirlwind with thunder clap entirely

[rancid solstice]

Thunderclap if thane don’t need it as slayer fury

[terse osprey]

Ravager or BS for pve?

[silk spade]

colossus uses rav and slayer uses bs

[terse osprey]

Dang i prefer BS more lol

Been running Colossus

[fresh spire]

Colossus gains more from being able to execute spam to spend ep in unhinged

Slayer likely would have been same if the whole hero tree wasn't forcing bs usage

[regal wharf]

first 11 timed!

DB

[manic river]

[wicked aurora]

bs is dope tho

[shadow ibex]

BS builds demo faster cuz its not 9.5 second duration

[regal socket]

can anyone ID these pants?

their armor is changed on armory

[boreal quartz]

Probably some DK pvp set from wrath

[dire hinge]

#transmog might be able to help

[slow saddle]

i cant believe it, i actually responded to a forums comment..

his main concern was we didnt do enough dmg... i mean fuck dmg. ill take our current level of dmg, every day of the week, if they made arms NOT clunky AF

and our class tree equal to what DKs have

[bleak fog]

I might be.... But I enjoy arms more then fury

In m+

[slow saddle]

I mean me2

but arms is still clunky AF

the class tree is silly

[empty sluice]

Thane arms when👀

[slow saddle]

Thane arms would be so much better than slayer arms

100%

it would work

[empty sluice]

Bake df s3 set into that tree

[slow saddle]

lightning Mortal strikes

100% niool

replace juggernaugt with that

and buff baseline execute to fuck

it would open up so much

Critical thinking or wtf its called should be 1 talent or higher up in tree

Ideally baseline as well ofc, seeing how they murdered our rage gain

Warlords Torment needs to be remade to provide recklessness on CS so CS feels better

[dim basalt]

Complaining about our current damage is so delusional

I wanna read that thread tho

[icy mulch]

What I dislike the most about Arms right now is that you get more dps out of not combining SS with cooldowns than you do waiting for SS to give collateral.

Kinda bonkers that were just playing around collateral more than CS.

[tacit crystal]

i dont even think about how horrible it feels to play arms because then I would perma tilt

i just turn brain off

[icy mulch]

Lol

[bleak fog]

Just smash on cd... zugzug

[tacit crystal]

mmm

nah

[bleak fog]

Yeh

😄

[slow saddle]

hmm i always cd with Sweeping

cba to play the other way

[icy mulch]

So you let SS cook a little before you use the rest of your cooldowns. That way you when you pop ravager as SS ends, cleave is gonna rock the meters.

Then nothing ever lines up again. Lol

[slow saddle]

hmm but

dont u wanna Ravage to get demo stacks?

or are u talking in slayer cleave ?

[icy mulch]

Col m+

You don't want ravager to eat overpower stacks. So the last two globals of SS is overpower. Hit ravager, and massive crits. 7-11 mil on all 5 targets.

Here is an example

[slow saddle]

Ye i guess i need to run bigger keys

In 10s this is a dream scenario to work

[icy mulch]

Oh, yeah... nothing survives long enough in less than 12s for this. Lol

[slow saddle]

But what if first hit is ravager, ah wait i forgot ravager, gives 50% cleave dmg

[icy mulch]

Yup

[slow saddle]

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/a-frustrated-warriors-perspective-a-call-for-change/552404

[slow saddle]

Ye ravager should prob do same as bladestorm?

So after ravager was done u should get the buff?

Would help with, logic at least

[icy mulch]

It would help, but wouldn't fix the over all situation.

[slow saddle]

Ofc not

Just remove collateral

Worked with ww, doesnt work when we have to many multipliera

[icy mulch]

That is kinda the issue with Arms. Too many micro buffs. Avatar and CS is 50% damage right off the hop.

Then you have x stacks from collateral. 2 from overpower, 50 from ravager/bladestorm. Whatever from trinket, and deep wounds.

[tacit crystal]

and desync

[icy mulch]

Our problem went from fitting everything into CS windows to how can we overlap multiple windows.

[halcyon valve]

no
i love big number

[icy mulch]

Both the OP and your comment are accurate though.

[empty pike]

guys, in the kyveza fight I see a lot of people using thunder clap for no apparent reason. Does anyone know why? Wouldn't it be better to use lace which causes more damage on contact?

[rancid solstice]

Lace?

[empty pike]

rend, sorry

mb, i'm using a translator

[rancid solstice]

You’re right just use rend. Some people have a habit of using thunderclap probably. The difference is minimal damage wise, but you could you that extra talent in the class tree elsewhere

[empty pike]

in a defensive, for example

[rancid solstice]

Actualy nvm you need that talent to get down the tree anyway

[slow saddle]

I just read we were promised burst... we have a lot of burst. Thane has sustain. Slayer arms is still decently burst aoe roar + bladestorm aint baf

[rancid solstice]

It’s just a habit probably that people use thunderclap to apply rend

[slow saddle]

Demo has good sustain aoe with cleave

[rancid solstice]

Yeah colossus feels pretty good in aoe pulls. But the globals when you’re hitting natty mortal strikes and slams in ST and you can just feel how weak you are without stacked mods

That’s the feelsbad part

[strange perch]

Targetted by mechanic/moving out of melee range

might as well reapply rend through thunderclap instead of doing 0 gcds

[slow saddle]

Stacked mods are the bane of arms

Remove mp from op

And c arms shine

[slow saddle]

I still think multipliers are fun, but we just have to many

Deep wounds avatar cs mp ep, and if cleave build col + ravager timings

Oh ye juggernaut stacks in raid

[rancid solstice]

Lethal blows

[livid cloak]

Lethal blows

What a shit tier set lol

[rancid solstice]

Yeah unforch