arms

[gray herald]

here

[gaunt owl]

the cursed DN

[tacit crystal]

idk why

but i swear i feel cosmetic as arms in keys

[teal fossil]

Isn’t battlelord better than eb or can you not fit it

[boreal quartz]

he can fit but didnt chose to

idk

[tacit crystal]

surely this is playable

[gray herald]

idk I don’t even remember where I got these talents from

[shadow ibex]

BL feels better but idk if actually is

[silk spade]

massacre omegalul

[shadow ibex]

2nd bb should be better in aoe

[gray herald]

I dont play arms I just enjoy colossus in keys

[teal fossil]

Bb is broken

[wraith reef]

yo guys, wanted to ask, if arms is viable for raiding and m+? been playing fury sicne release of TWW and i'm not enjoying it so much as when i played arms for the last season of dragonflight

[halcyon valve]

yes it is

better than fury tbh

[wraith reef]

my heart is full of joy while reading your message

[manic river]

In prolonged fights like that arms slayers is good

[elfin violet]

you ll have a lot of fun and do dmg. (just dont look at the damage meter when doing bosses)

[quaint otter]

depends on what level u aim i assume 10-12s its fine

[wraith reef]

now im getting scared again

[wraith reef]

is it that bad?

[quaint otter]

?

[boreal quartz]

from 52% to this

[quaint otter]

[wraith reef]

yeah, i aint hearing good things about arms atm

[trim arrow]

I mean, any spec is”viable”

[quaint otter]

its not

[olive nest]

Arms is not bad but to add 2 cents from someone who also enjoyed DF arms very much it is just not the same

I do not enjoy demolish and I do not enjoy the rage changes

[quaint otter]

i like both df and current iteration

[olive nest]

Cooldowns do not sync well and do not flow well anymore

[quaint otter]

df s2 with aug 💪

[olive nest]

Hell yeah DF arms was so damn good

I loved op spam Ms resets

Execute rotation was perfect

[shadow ibex]

it was cursed in s2 cuz it was just spammed exe again

i think that was season where we wanted x2 ep and x2 mp

[olive nest]

Well yeah but it was situational you had to know when you could execute 7 times in a row lol

[shadow ibex]

idr which season that was but was one of em

[halcyon valve]

lets agree on one thing: arms owns

[quaint otter]

s2 numbers btw

[olive nest]

💪

Take me back

Idk why the s2 dungeon pool just doesn’t exist in my memory though lmao

[quaint otter]

cuz s2 was shit overall

aug sp mage

[shadow ibex]

i think it had the gnoll one

[quaint otter]

yes

[olive nest]

Oh yeah bracken

[quaint otter]

the screen is from brakenhide tho

[olive nest]

That’s why

God forbidden hell hole

Hated bracken personally

[quaint otter]

pad heaven

[shadow ibex]

i think underrot too maybe?

[quaint otter]

underrot was cool

[olive nest]

Such good pad but dodge floor insanity

[quaint otter]

the dig thing was the worst

[shadow ibex]

i played a dk and enh alt in s2

[quaint otter]

uldaman

[olive nest]

Fucking uldaman

That place was ass two

[quaint otter]

ye i had haste build frost dk back there

[shadow ibex]

and fury before sp aug bullshit

[quaint otter]

2min syndragussy

[shadow ibex]

having cds every pack perma reck etc

[quaint otter]

based

am thane can do it now too tho

[silk spade]

shit dungeon for weeklies
no one kicks anything

[olive nest]

I don’t think I touched fury once in s2 DF tbh

Sounds like that was peak though

For DF

[olive nest]

Real

Nobody kicks now either

[shadow ibex]

ravager reck every pack p much

[olive nest]

Lmao

[olive nest]

Fury am thane feels good

I’ve been vibing with that a lot the past month

[quaint otter]

yep im pullin decent numbers even tho i have full arms build 2k mastery only

[olive nest]

I’ve achieved a few 2m+ overalls without an Aug but I’m only doing weekly’s right now idk if that counts

[quaint otter]

💪

[olive nest]

It cranks though

Feels wicked

[shadow ibex]

i thought about playing it for queen

court i mean

our adds kinda live long but also balance been out

[olive nest]

I’m playing it on court

It feels good

[shadow ibex]

ill probably try it this week

[olive nest]

We make it to p2 and wipe

And I’m top damn a majority of pulls so far

[shadow ibex]

i may recraft embellishments also

[olive nest]

Our adds live a while though

[shadow ibex]

to x2 crit thing

or w/e stat it is now

[olive nest]

I played around with holding CDs to align better with the p2 burn after first dispel but I found in my group that sending on pull, they’d be back up for the adds that spawn after first big move around 1:35ish and then I just hold until the p2 dispel burn

Not to many people blasting in my comp at 1:35 im a loan warrior

[shadow ibex]

yea i was sending on pull as arms and lined up with second webbing

[olive nest]

So I get to just crank that add set

[olive nest]

I was debating this if I can get a second weapon

Kinda shouldn’t gimp all boss damage though

Specially not prog lmao

Even though it’s tempting

[shadow ibex]

yea forgot i never got a second weapon

well non crafted

[olive nest]

Same I’m rocking crafted offhand too

Took 9 weeks to get a myth weapon

Felt like it anyway idr exact week count

Around 9 I think

[hushed pine]

It feels so jarring to play Arms after playing Fury for too long

[olive nest]

Fury is definitely the easier of the two haha

[chrome bramble]

hey folks, overall dps, what are the two embellishments to run for arms ? i currently have my 636 wep with depths

reading a lot on contradicting stuff

[olive nest]

What is your primary goal as arms dps, raid or M+?

[chrome bramble]

im doing both

more raiding id say

[olive nest]

I’d probably just go double dusk thread if you do both

[fossil thistle]

I simmed 639 weapon with 2x vers crafts vs 636 crafted with band and it was ~650 dps difference

[quaint otter]

Shocking

[chrome bramble]

650?!

so go double dusk all the way huh.. hmm going to have to work with the weapon situation then tyvm for the info

[manic river]

I got my crafted bracers 636, what do you guys think about evasion vs speed for enchants, I'm guessing speed is not really prefered by many?

[halcyon valve]

Evasion good

[verbal marten]

anyone got colossus talents?

im going to try it

for m+

[wicked aurora]

Arms is giga fun rn

[sacred zodiac]

wrong + thats your opinion + valid

[wicked aurora]

you no like?

[sacred zodiac]

idk are u talking abt colossus cause i havent tried that

[hushed pine]

Can't say I disagree tbh

[sacred zodiac]

in ST its horrid

mm yes trying to maintain a juggernaut throughout the entire fucking fight 👍

execute is based on janky overpower resets that you need specific weakauras to properly play

i personally couldnt make it work on court but thats more of a me issue than arms

[hushed pine]

Fury normally has buttons that feel satisfying to press, and you're always doing something

Arms feels uhh

Not good

[sacred zodiac]

not like fury is much better

[wicked aurora]

idk I kinda like it

Also execute isn't that difficult

certainly doesn't require any WAs unless I'm missing something

[sacred zodiac]

idk since u need to look out for overpower resets not MP stacks its really annoying if ur rage capping

[wicked aurora]

It's just MS on 2 tact stacks from set and 2 EP or if you're about to drop DW right?

[sacred zodiac]

ye

[wicked aurora]

Ye no need for WA

[sacred zodiac]

sec

ya true iirc you'd overpower over ms if u were low rage

this is very easy if u dont have to do that

[wicked aurora]

I'm sure there's a lot more I need to do to refine my gameplay but I do be 80ish parsing when just picking it up

[sacred zodiac]

idk i got these

not too bad but itd probs be better if i played exe better

[wicked aurora]

And that was me not playing around jugg stacks

i.e. not properly holding SD procs

[sacred zodiac]

fuck playing around jugg stacks man

actually terrible

[wicked aurora]

Idk rest of the rotation is simple

feels fine to have something to have some skill expression

[sacred zodiac]

ya something being rng is not good

u can play perfectly and drop jugg on the fight that matters shrug

[wicked aurora]

Yeah that I do agree with

sometimes flooded

[sacred zodiac]

also deeply dislike current sks

[wicked aurora]

Sometimes nothing

[fossil thistle]

Has anyone tested 11.1 rings yet on PTR?

erm 11.0.7

[balmy kindle]

Fury feels like repeatedly scratching your opponents to death

[olive nest]

I want to like it arms is such a cool identity

Maybe I’ll give it another go

[balmy kindle]

Colo is fun in keys if you are not pushing super high

[shadow ibex]

hunter got mcd on grim batol trash

ate my demolish

[visual fern]

@fresh spire WHO?

(I don't have this weeks finery) (court)

[silk spade]

9% is the current cap

[visual fern]

O

I was told 10.x

Wait that doesn't even math out

10 not divisible by 2.25

[visual fern]

I DIDN'T POT

🪦

[silk spade]

https://tenor.com/view/im_in_unbearable_pain-gif-19322763

[wicked aurora]

Bad fight anyways

[visual fern]

Nah I have fun on court

As arms at least

Fury is

[regal socket]

might be a dumb question but.. on what race are the t3 boots NOT stretched on?

like the face

is it only normal on humans?

[spring vessel]

do you guys prefer warbreaker or blunt ?

for m+

[visual fern]

Col WB
Slay Blunt

Idk if that's right, just what I like (not a big keyer)

[fiery ember]

Hello all.
I've recently been practicing arms in order to improve my ST in raids, and i was just wondering when you guys actually use skullsplitter?
Is it only timed with the usual Thunderous Roar + Avatar + Colosus Smash > Bladestorm > MS > Skullsplitter (meaning you hold till all CD's align)
OR do you use it outside of the CD window?

[gritty ginkgo]

I am getting ready to prog mythic ky'veza. Should i bother swapping to arms, or is fury ST enough to handle that kind of prog?

[balmy kindle]

For SKS I think you can just use it when up outside of exe phase

In exe phase you can use SKS to get rage back up for more exe

[late crow]

is fury still better than arms in m+?

[silk spade]

what garms said

[nocturne thistle]

If you survive to the end of the fight with everyone alive, the boss dies

[astral yarrow]

if you are getting to kyveza now, you have the damage but living is gonna be the harder factor

living is just easier as fury

[spark mango]

guYS

the rank 1 arms who plays slayer in keys

does something intresting in Execute phase

he plays massacare without EP and completly ignores mortal strike. he executes>consume opportunist and thats it

and his St damage is very high

he doesnt press Ms even once after 35% on bosses

[fiery ember]

thanks man

[dim basalt]

Isnt that some boosted CN player actually

Who does tank damage overall in the dungeon

[boreal quartz]

this is why i do not put pot on unitframe anymore

[astral yarrow]

[boreal quartz]

since i forgot too much

[visual fern]

Nah we just pushed so fast my CDs werent what I expected

So I stunlocked myself thinking I fucked up

[astral yarrow]

i've done that 3 weeks in a row now

@visual fern i 🐱 'ed out and played fury last night

[visual fern]

We have no mage so I'm playing fury

🪦

[spark mango]

oh is that true? makes a lot of sense then because it was puzzling my mind

[astral yarrow]

we're just doing splits, so i wasnt sure the damage share would make sense with no other warrior in raid

checked Taiste's log on p3 adds and he does like 40% of what i do as fury lol

i chained rank 2 and 3s yesterday

im so mad

[visual fern]

I'd gap if I remember to pot

[astral yarrow]

bro im 14k dps and 4 PIs off rank 1 queen

[boreal quartz]

i had this on the blord+eb build

where i could get in a full demo before the charges in p1 with ravager

got INCREDIBLY confused initially

[visual fern]

Yah playing bl/eb is part of it

I had everything up at 630 when I usually have to dry send rav

And dont have demo

Was like "wait what"

[visual fern]

4 PI

[boreal quartz]

that build is fun a fuck

since im 99% sure the unhinged ms with sweep turbo giga reset EB

even tho the damage doesnt sweep

like 5+ ms back to back during rav

[astral yarrow]

had 3 pulls back to back at 1.95m dps before lust and 3rd p3 adds a couple of weeks ago and on kill pull end up with a rank 3

[visual fern]

Fury or arms

[astral yarrow]

fury

[thick hamlet]

why ep without massacre

[latent moss]

cause massacre is stupd in m+

proven time and time again

even in world first keys

(look up critcakes videos)

[gray herald]

yep what he said (idk as I said I just copied talents from somewhere)

[latent moss]

drop ep for battlelord

peak gameplay

[gray herald]

will my boss damage be even worse

[latent moss]

no clue honestly

i never played ep colossus

and never will

i cannot imagine

the cbt of pressing execute

as colossus

oh my i got lucky with tactician procs! i have 110 rage!

2 executes

30 rage

and u are not getting that 80 rage back ever

uhm akshually its 38 rage cause arms execute refunds 10% baseline 🤓

[thick hamlet]

not that i completely disagree, but without it and sudden death u get very little out of ep

hence the question

[latent moss]

exe on colossus is just shit in general

i would go full no execute with blord

over ep

i dont think its a loss at all to go blord over ep on m+ bosses

like drop sd drop everything

[thick hamlet]

i would go massacre without ep

[latent moss]

why

exe does 0 damage as colossus

and just eats ur ragebar

when u could play exhil blows or blord and get more mortal strikes

which actually deal damage

[thick hamlet]

you're underestimating the value of demolish stacks execute contributes on aoe with ss up

it gives double stacks like ms

[latent moss]

you are underestimating the power of getting a single exhil blows reset during mbg

let alone more than 1 reset

and ms resets

[astral yarrow]

doesnt seem smart to send demolish when pack is dying in 3 sec rather than sending on next pack

[latent moss]

and by that time u have 10 stacks anyway due to ms / cleave spam

execute is just ass on colossus

we simmed everything

50 times

[astral yarrow]

you just forgo MS entirely and play slayer

[latent moss]

slayer

[grim mortar]

Blue notes said taht they buffed Colossus just for pvp. why bother try colossus?

[thick kelp]

missing a few zeroes

[latent moss]

peep dms

[thick kelp]

:looking:

[gray herald]

yeah I definitely don’t feel the need for more demolish cdr than I already get from resets

I’m big noob doing big damage

and it’s just up at the same time as warbreaker and ss

and I just go

and execute does fuck all really

[balmy kindle]

Yeap leaning more to ditch EP my self in keys

Marginal boss dmg increase at best, annoying rage management at worst

[fresh spire]

My mannnnnnnn

🤝

[visual fern]

Forgot 2nd pot

I'm just a boy

[astral yarrow]

just need the walli WA

big moan when pot ready

[fresh spire]

Hes a chill guy

[thick kelp]

intrested

[steep osprey]

pls bring back

[slow saddle]

Fierce follow through or oppotunist

in raid?

• brutal finish vs bladestorm ?

[astral yarrow]

just a sim question

[slow saddle]

so its that close

thats an answer in itself 😄

[astral yarrow]

just play fierce and spit on opportunist

[empty sluice]

You wont notice difference

So whatever

[astral yarrow]

one is slight dps gain to play around optimally and the other is completely passive and very close

[latent moss]

and feels amazing

big ms

amazing could be an overstatement

[steep osprey]

lmao

[astral yarrow]

nothing about arms feels amazing tbh

[empty sluice]

“big” ms xd

[latent moss]

stop it guys

let me enjoy my fictional world where arms feels good to play

[latent moss]

they removed the only part that felt good in df

and that was massive tom+cs overlaps

[empty sluice]

Alright buddy, have fun

[latent moss]

with avatar

df s3 arms was infinitely better than this :caught"

[naive sage]

Real

[latent moss]

on st

colossus is a lot better than s3 arms in m+

[naive sage]

I loved the tier set ngl

[latent moss]

of all the things

u want this

[latent moss]

peak tier

unfortunately

same with furys

[naive sage]

Thunder clap was giga

[latent moss]

furys tier would go so hard currently

[visual fern]

Colarms on court feels amazing

Stop cap yap

[astral yarrow]

but then theres the issue of not lusting 3:30 that doesnt feel amazing

[gray herald]

real real real

powder that makes you say real

.gif

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[steep osprey]

lmfao

[quasi torrent]

real

[astral talon]

real

[turbid plinth]

What would be the least worst embellishment to put on a ring?

[brittle pelican]

the lack of one

[fresh spire]

Then you play queen as colossus and it feels ass. And slayer feels ass

Then ur sa

[rancid solstice]

This cap or nah? I’m back to progging court tn and cooked up a colossus spear build for it

[gray herald]

it is not cap

[visual fern]

🤫

[visual fern]

Pipes

[rancid solstice]

Bet

[visual fern]

Played arms twice, r1/r2 (didn't r1 twice cuz I forgot 2nd pot 🪦 )
Slayer bait af @fresh spire knows

You have demolish every burn, execute and MS do big dam

📈

[rancid solstice]

I think SkS is bait too, even with arterial bleed

[fresh spire]

Real

[visual fern]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[icy mulch]

Sometimes I wish I raided more than pugging first 4 mythic.

Than I remember the amount of time commitment and degen hours it usually is.

Not a lot of Atlantic time zone guilds.

Or any really

[fresh spire]

:bro:🤝

The crits with spear are pretty fun.

Ran it with eb as I had low crit which helped cycle demolish a little cleaner for amps

Also played some cursed battlelord which felt fucking amazing

I bet if I still played like I did in 1/2p and didn't execute unless it eas to replace slam I bet I would have been higher

[visual fern]

Nah EB even midroll on a burn

W

Esp since it resets off rav

[fresh spire]

Did less dps on p3 than 1p/2p

Fucked my cds up and over pressing execute rage starving

Ngl

When you have sweep up. And you get like 5/7ms back to back snd demolish zooms off cd

Best feeling in the world

When you demolish as adds spawn

Such bs rng

Bonk those little fuckers

[visual fern]

Is it MS prio

Or 2 exp/lb mix

[fresh spire]

I did ms>op>thunderclap

Until execute

[visual fern]

In exe I mean

[fresh spire]

In execute lb stacks is like 3k dps

In colossus I fully ignore lb and 2xexe ms

But I didn't have 2 points critical which drained my ass

Probs would have done more if I ms>op>execute

Gonna try it next time forcing execute as a filler and going full sod mode

[visual fern]

Yah I think exe spam only during rav

[fresh spire]

Sod arms owned

[visual fern]

I did 2.4 in exe

[tacit crystal]

so jugg is bait

[visual fern]

2 in p1/p2

[fresh spire]

Jug is good

Bl is closer in colossus to jug than it is in slayer

[visual fern]

Prob wouldve done like 2.6-7 if I potted

[fresh spire]

Like 40k behind

[visual fern]

But still

[fresh spire]

If they flip the rage refunds around on tree it's like 15k

Pls bliz

[icy mulch]

Just bring the rework already.

[tacit crystal]

i was playing eb on kyveza

gambad 9 stacks first minute

[fresh spire]

.1 we believe

We cope that is

I play eb over bb in colossus in st

Like 4k dps loss for interactivity or something

More stimulated when you get resets than just having 0 variety in rotation

[visual fern]

Think EP might be fake

Tho

[fresh spire]

I'm convinced I can kill ep still

[visual fern]

Errr EP*

[tacit crystal]

eb?

[fresh spire]

Sari brought up something I have yet to add to sim for colossus

Been busy and not cooking

It has checks for ep for mortal striking. But execute has no check for ep jug

Sorta done the check backwards

Slayer had it fully sending sd regardless if you had jug or not which was an issue

[visual fern]

Wonder if you can get

Bleed rage somehow

[fresh spire]

Tanked sims like 110k St when not taking jug. While that's fixed as the severity of it I've not recooked colossus mainly as we are due the ptr any time

Legit ptr next week Surely

Arms will be fixed surrly

[visual fern]

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/fingers-crossed-for-you-gif-22356936

[fresh spire]

Ngl

Most fun I've had in raid so far was this

Though didn't play rage node as didn't feel needed

[visual fern]

O yah I tried your build last night

[fresh spire]

It's cooked

[visual fern]

Big fan w/ us not lusting double burn

[fresh spire]

Ye

[visual fern]

If we got lust value at end I'd prob still play my version w/ jug

[fresh spire]

Got max power for it as no execute range

[visual fern]

But boss dies in the dispel burn before the double stack now so

[steep osprey]

Can we have more rage refund on execute

[visual fern]

WAIT

[steep osprey]

Baseline

Please

[visual fern]

I could maybe play jugg

And stack during intermission

🤔

[steep osprey]

I feel like a major part of that spec can be fixed

[fresh spire]

I think one pull I ended p2 like 2.3m

As I had ungodly resets

[steep osprey]

If they let us use execute

[fresh spire]

You can stack during intermission yep

[steep osprey]

Without running out of fuel

Immediately

[fresh spire]

Our kill he was 32% onto ring intermission

Popped full cds and just send it

[steep osprey]

Fishy

[fresh spire]

Halo

[steep osprey]

Do you think st in m+ could be fixed if they made CT baseline or easily accessible

Or some more rage refund idk

[fresh spire]

St just needs jug either weaker or ct nuked snd refund baseline/else where at 1 point

[steep osprey]

I say refund baseline

And in the place ct one node

Maybe remove jug and buff execute

[fresh spire]

Depends on what blizzard does with feedback from forums/other avanues

Most want am/ct dead

Most want other changes

Depends what blizzard does with it

[steep osprey]

I think am shouldn’t be dynamic

Just straight up reduces cd

By 30 seconds?

Idk

[visual fern]

Every color represents a diff desync

🙂

[steep osprey]

Remove cds

We have too many

I think thunderous roar needs removal

Spear too

[thick kelp]

Avatar too

[steep osprey]

No

[thick kelp]

yes

[steep osprey]

Avatar is fine

[thick kelp]

no

[empty sluice]

Yes Lets keep only slam

[steep osprey]

Actually you could remove avatar and make CS our big cd

But non parriable

Like wake of ashes

[steep osprey]

Hey did you have a wishlist

Or is it just legion arms

[thick kelp]

for christmas?

ah

a wishlist

yes

[steep osprey]

Idk if this is a good idea but they should make War breaker baseline

With cs and wb different spells

[thick kelp]

thats just legion arms

[steep osprey]

But using one makes the other unusable

So you don’t get 12 second 2x cs back to back

Using cs makes you proc avatar

[empty sluice]

Give me call of the ancient as torment to avatar from d4

So it at least does something

[steep osprey]

Thoughts walhe

It’s now 45 sec with no am

Duration of avatar is same as cs duration

[thick kelp]

been tinkering about no am

arms

[tacit crystal]

?

show cook

[thick kelp]

talent tree

not real gameplay

[tacit crystal]

[teal fossil]

You doubled the duration of avatar this way

I think that’s way too much

I get your logic but you’ll have a 50% uptime on avatar without am

With am it’s about 66%

[fresh spire]

Hey we used to gain reck for a good duration of cs

[empty sluice]

Not that long ago xd

[fresh spire]

Now it's like 1%

Killed the most op thing in spec

While leaning rage issues for execute to fester

[woven wasp]

classic box take
might aswell just kill it and make cs stronger then

[fresh spire]

Make avatar unique again

[silk spade]

that sounds so ass 🔥 🔥 🔥

[icy mulch]

That would be nice. Or at least make Avatar actually feel like you hit a button.

[young raft]

Should I always cast execute when sudden death procs or wait for the slayer stacks?

[fresh spire]

Am dies while making every other cd actually meaning full while retaining means to obtain cdr through things like slayer strikes or other new talents

Problem is with am it feels good but when cs and bladestorm feel ass they can't buff them since it inadvertently buffs anger management. Any choice node it fights against for playstyle updates or changes instantly get fucked

[steep osprey]

I’m removing avatar

The on use one

[steep osprey]

In this hypothetical I am killing avatar

[teal fossil]

What’s the difference between having avatar applied with cs and just making cs 20% stronger

It’s all semantics at that point

[fresh spire]

Ends up forcing full rage spending builds again if they amped cs that hard

But they could if am didn't exist

[steep osprey]

Yeah I don’t want am either

[steep osprey]

It’s just a way to make cs the main cds

[teal fossil]

Then you can just make cs a 50% amp instead

[fresh spire]

Imagine am didn't exist and they reverted the nerfs to avatar torments

2x bs would go hard for slayer

[teal fossil]

Ngl I think am should just be a node under bladestorm that reduces bladestorm

[fresh spire]

This is sorta what me and walhe put in our wishlist

Situational cd not permanent

Like we don't need to spin we don't need the cdr erc

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-heart-cute-motivated-gif-11954637

[teal fossil]

Yeah if you have something permanently you become balanced around it

[fresh spire]

Having extra bs casts from taking a node for some cdr vs always having faster cs/bs/ravager just crushes any designs

We're already forced into these 2 nodes perma because unhinged is just good and slayer must take bs

[teal fossil]

Or they need to make some cracked option to replace serenity

[fresh spire]

Killing am makes stuff like that good though

[teal fossil]

I think fury did an okay job of having something competitive against am

The playstyle of Ra is a different problem

[fresh spire]

You could have longer cds and lower amps and faster duration cds with higher amps

So you either do nuts burst or just better sustain

Means you play what a fight copes with more

Like avatar 30 seconds long 15% damage vs avatar 15 seconds long 30% damage

Can't get gameplay like this when am exists

Spiteful is a step in the correct direction

But when you get "longer cds" while you can just use them twice as often it's just killed instantly

[latent moss]

if the -40% damage part didnt exist sure

but

long cds arent exactly fun

either

[teal fossil]

Ye I would not like long cds

[latent moss]

cds that already feel fake

(avatar)

[fresh spire]

Yeh but that's what I mean

[thick kelp]

fight like Court is prime example why long lasting dps cd is bad

[fresh spire]

You either have more burstier cds as a boss encounter has amps or downtime. Or longer cds as boss always active

Your cds always fit the boss needs

[thick kelp]

big burst is arguably the best kind of profile to have

[fresh spire]

Need to explode big add in 6 seconds can go bursty cds

Etc

[fresh spire]

Let's call it

Self cs

[thick kelp]

furious cry

empowers the damage you do by 25% for 12s

[fresh spire]

Give dbts retaliation back

Taunt boss for infinite rage

[quaint otter]

🤧

[icy mulch]

Oh damn, how long has it been now?
Shit we might as well bring back the CS reset instead of MS.

[fresh spire]

I think we had some wants for cs resets as well as 2 charge ms returning on our list

[visual fern]

cs resets
Legion arms

[latent moss]

Legion arms

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866699859813859352/1246457163426172981/melon.gif

[visual fern]

All roads lead to legion

[latent moss]

all roads lead to reverse devoker mastery

[icy mulch]

Pfft, Cataclysm had CS resets, and I have more fond memory of Cata.

[shadow ibex]

Stuck with this OP reset ms buff spec since bfa

How many years now

[rare kite]

wait grams are you saying legion arms was boring?

[tacit crystal]

grams

https://tenor.com/btWxE.gif

[visual fern]

#arms message

[rare kite]

yee i saw that as well, just confused by the emote i guess

[visual fern]

"Hey arms would be better if <insert legion design>"

Same song

Every time

[rare kite]

for a reason tbf

[latent moss]

(replaces Skullsplitter): Mortal Wounds additionally accelerate Rend and Deep Wounds based on the current health of your target. At 20% they tick 100% faster.

this with reverse devoker mastery

and mortal wounds on cleave as well

imagine 10 targets ticking for infintie damage

[visual fern]

Nothing like 10 stack CD being useless cuz the fresh add wave has no deep wounds

-30% for free

[latent moss]

thats why u have reverse devoker mastery and u dont need an annoying debuff on the target

[visual fern]

If you think about it like that, WB is actually +60% damage mod

Holy

[steep osprey]

You deal 10% increased damage to targets with Mortal Wounds

[latent moss]

hoooly

[latent moss]

:hmm:

mortal wounds is healing debuff

[steep osprey]

I know

they need to giga buff rend

bring back legion rend

that was huge

tbh it was only on one target tho

F

revert TC

remove aoe rend

[latent moss]

@visual fern Rivers of Blood: Cleave applies Mortal Wounds and Rend to all targets hit. imagine arms overalls tho

Rend Cleave DW MS

hoooly

that would actually be peak

bleeds would actually be interesting

[steep osprey]

True remove TC

and rend actually

make Deeep Wounds do 100% more damage

[visual fern]

TC rend cap at 5 is 🪦

[steep osprey]

so it gets compansated for loss of rend

like why do we need rend

fuck that

DW is enough

[silk spade]

i love casting tc every 4 seconds batchest

[steep osprey]

Yeah remove TC/Rend

useless

Your main AoE is Cleave spam

and deep wounds a bit

[latent moss]

bro the issue is

bleeds

[rare kite]

i'd rather they remove deep wounds and keep rend. hate our stupid mastery

[latent moss]

are completely disconnected

from the spec

also

remove massacre

[steep osprey]

true

[latent moss]

make me an actual execute spec

boss isun der 20%?

explosion incoming

[steep osprey]

Bloodsurge should be baseline

[latent moss]

irrelevant ahh

talent

[steep osprey]

to make arms have some funnel

[latent moss]

finishing blows ahh talent

[steep osprey]

big aoe spam execute

[latent moss]

nice funnel

surely

[steep osprey]

[latent moss]

bloodsurge is more than

0.0000000000045 rage

per hour

in aoe

[steep osprey]

can fix it/buff it

[latent moss]

can just remove it completely too

[steep osprey]

Thoughts on Warbreaker baseline

[latent moss]

and replace it with something impactfuk

[latent moss]

good

remove cs

make wb baseline

[steep osprey]

or make them 2 diff abilities

you can't use WB if you've used CS

vice versa

so you can't send back to back CS

[rare kite]

2 diff abilties was very nice, with cs reset but not wb reset

[latent moss]

legion was good yeah

the only thing i dislike about legion arms

was the tactician fishing

[steep osprey]

Idk what the devs were thinking with arms

[latent moss]

ww/rend/hamstring w/e

[steep osprey]

like why make it worse in bfa

when it was almost perfect

in legion

just go back to that and you'll fix it

[woven wasp]

pretty much every spec in the game

[latent moss]

what we need

is

Slam reduces the cooldown of Mortal Strike by X seconds.

[woven wasp]

neuter interactions and put everything on the gcd

surely thatll make the game more fun

[latent moss]

fantasy is gone

in this game

[steep osprey]

buff Slam

[latent moss]

yeah this is how u can buff it

[steep osprey]

100%

[rare kite]

we still have that version of arms, at the end of this expansion it's gonna be 8 years with overpower tactician. overpower resets do not feel good

[steep osprey]

nah it stil does poop damage

[latent moss]

no one cares

its shit anyway

[steep osprey]

I do

[latent moss]

it has 0 interactions

[visual fern]

Wrong

I still daydream about the day they fix arms

[latent moss]

gnorW

[visual fern]

[latent moss]

...

one day..

[rare kite]

it's good you have enough hope for the rest of us

[steep osprey]

I think they need to make overpower resets more impactful

Shattered Defenses

[latent moss]

shattered dn

[steep osprey]

crit chance one

[silk spade]

i thought this was german

[rare kite]

i mean martial prowess is kinda like shattered defenses in a way, just a way worse version. idk i can't think of a way to make overpower a satisfying button to press

[steep osprey]

Forgive me for this but Martial Prowess needs to have this to be more impactful

[latent moss]

martial prowess is dn

remove it

now

[steep osprey]

20% chance per stack

2 stacks 40% crit

easy

[fresh spire]

Just what we need more amps for ms

[steep osprey]

yes

[fresh spire]

Just make ms good

Sheeesh

[steep osprey]

no

if you make ms good nothing is gonna be interactive

on it's own

[fresh spire]

Let's add like the 10th source to make ms good instead of just buffing ms 30% and removing half of them

[steep osprey]

I think we should remove some of them

but martial prowess and EP should stay

[fresh spire]

The Interactivity should be resets not amps

[thick kelp]

die mp die

[steep osprey]

Yeah but resets help the interactivity

what are you gonna have if yo just reset OP?

[fresh spire]

If ms had a high chance from op to be reset and then it just fucking trucked

[steep osprey]

no amp?

[fresh spire]

Life good

[steep osprey]

just a reset

that sounds bad

[fresh spire]

35% damage amp and pushing the button again are basically the same shit

[rare kite]

remove jugg, remove deepwounds,remove martial prowess,add cs resets, add shattered defenses(1 stack) that works for either ms or exe.

[fresh spire]

Expect people want to press ms

Not op

[steep osprey]

what is it rn

maybe they need to make tactitian rarer

it's still common

[silk spade]

based hoooly

[fresh spire]

Yeh its coming on a reset filler than just fills gaps until ms is pressable again

[steep osprey]

ok i'll go with your idea

buff ms to hell

remove all these amps

[visual fern]

What if MS was really strong and the amp from OP was relevant and you had an offglobal way of spending rage to fish for the OP reset amp

[steep osprey]

make Slam reduce cd of ms by .3 seconds

lets say

[thick kelp]

Hmmm

[fresh spire]

Ms should truck. It should be the Burton we want to press its always up

[steep osprey]

that's a good one, no?

[thick kelp]

Heroicstrike.org

[visual fern]

[steep osprey]

Isn't it?

[fresh spire]

Imagine it being so bad with 4 damage amps it's still not worth pressing until you got 2 set bonus on top

Even if you had 2xep and 2xmp it's still a damage loss to press it over execute in slayer

[silk spade]

i just want to press ms on 2 ep

is that so much to ask

[fresh spire]

Lb is the changing factor because of crit chance

[latent moss]

yes

[thick kelp]

i just want

1ep

[fresh spire]

So buffing ms would make us

[latent moss]

thank mp

[fresh spire]

Want to press it

[latent moss]

remove mp and buff ms

[steep osprey]

why aren't they reworking warrior

[latent moss]

u are NOT pressing slam over op

[steep osprey]

only class that needs one

[rare kite]

because they don't know how to

genuinely

[thick kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1075592481665716265/arms_rotation.gif

[steep osprey]

why am i playing

[silk spade]

remove mp and make op just an off gcd filler or some sshit

[visual fern]

Okay banger

[steep osprey]

just play legion ig

[fresh spire]

I desire one thing

[rare kite]

stockholme syndrome, we're too far gone

[latent moss]

im sure we didnt send like 40 manifestos full of complete rework ideas

[steep osprey]

Real breakdown

just get more cs resets

[rare kite]

ye ikr, people even made custom trees. now i'm not saying to copy those trees fully, but they should give some ideas of what would be good. the worst part is the trees are mostly built from old abilties or different versions of what we have now. can't believe how stale arms is atm

[visual fern]

Banger colossus or what

[thick kelp]

sks

[latent moss]

sks

icant

[visual fern]

The point has to go somewhere

[thick kelp]

Finishing blows

Bloodsurge

fatality

[latent moss]

finish ma balls

[rare kite]

fatality xD

[thick kelp]

within variance inside 5t sims

becareful what u say

[latent moss]

pretty crazy with the cleave spam :caught:

[rare kite]

🙂

[steep osprey]

delete fatality

[thick kelp]

mop classic soon

pain over soon

[latent moss]

facts

ms generator

[rare kite]

looking forward to it, heard warrior was fun in MoP. was one of the few classes i did not try bback then(i was big noober)

[steep osprey]

3m dbts

was FoB better than rend ravager

[wintry scroll]

how do u guys use treacherous mid way throught the fight

any tips ?

[rancid solstice]

EP wouldn’t it since you’re taking Sd and massacre. SkS is aight tho I guess

[visual fern]

Was trying to lazily remove EP

[slow saddle]

Press it

[rare kite]

EP without critical thinking

[livid cloak]

look at this symmetry

2.22 2.22

sugoi

[quaint otter]

the game

[livid cloak]

oh the dungeon must have ended on like a perfect 60 interval in combat or something

everyone's is like that

[olive nest]

Arms blastin!

💪

[olive nest]

Damnit is this the 90s again!?

[quaint otter]

Not again

Its still

[gray herald]

it's kinda beautiful

[livid cloak]

after further investigation - it was exactly 1000 seconds in combat

[minor mica]

The orb / circle will always pop 3 meters to the top-right corner of where your character is facing so aim to have no puddle there when pressing the trinket

[raven ivy]

@visual fern where is the fucking CHRISTMAS ICON

[fresh spire]

[fresh spire]

Shaman get down

[raven ivy]

Im gonna freak the fuck OUT

[fresh spire]

Sean is here

[vocal gust]

Holy shit is this true?

[steep osprey]

Secret boost run

[livid cloak]

I wish, I could use the gold

[rare kite]

yeah

[sacred zodiac]

go try it

[rancid solstice]

1oclock pop

Maybe 130

[vocal gust]

Damn, I should have never vendor'd that mythic transmitter then.

[silk spade]

yeah probably shouldn't vendor your bis trinket

[balmy kindle]

pretty sure your disc be like, omg i need to PI this brown class if there's any hope

[livid cloak]

Its funny when you start getting pi halfway through a dungeon

[teal fossil]

Time for item recovery

[quaint otter]

I often get PIs dunno why

Guess white ladies like me

[balmy kindle]

I mean, i dm getting it, PI = crazy stacked cleaves

[quaint otter]

And i never ask

Just getting it

[balmy kindle]

Do well = get PI

like the disc knew who to pi so the key get timed ^^

[quaint otter]

Arms feels ok for pi in keys i guess

U always have damage buttons

[balmy kindle]

with our colo build we do get demo and warbreaker up really fast too

so PI just feeds it even harder

[teal fossil]

One of my friends guild pi the fury in raid

Because rhey “top dam”

[dim basalt]

Which is correct

Youre supposed to PI your best players, not the ones that get most out of it according to sims

[fresh spire]

Rank 1 Queen log has 4 pi

This is true

[teal fossil]

Yeah you pi your fury

So they can do their 4 gcd burst faster

And go back to doing piss damage asap

[dim basalt]

Dunno if fury gets any damage out of PI tbh

[teal fossil]

They don’t

That’s my point

[dim basalt]

Theres no spec I care less about

[teal fossil]

But the fury still get pi ed because they are topping meters

[fresh spire]

Whole guild must be worse than the average parsing fury warrior on boss dps

I'd be worried

[quaint otter]

I have the same mental players in my guild atm

Cant prog over 4/8

[teal fossil]

Well it’s not boss dam

[dim basalt]

Im also top 3-5 outside of execute in my guild

[teal fossil]

They just see fury on the meters from popping adds

[olive nest]

I was getting pi in heroic at raid release week but that was just for fun raid once mythic started pi goes to best target no matter what

[dim basalt]

I also dont get aug'ed until execute

[olive nest]

Oh yeah Aug I was getting 100% Aug too

Lmao

We no longer run an Aug though

[dim basalt]

I should be getting 100% aug too

Considering Im also one of the best dps outside of execute lmao

We for some reason still run 2 augs

[olive nest]

Well, you might be on top of the details Meter because you bursted adds well but that doesn’t make you the best Aug buff target outside of your burst

[dim basalt]

I dont pad ever tho

Padding as arms sucks

[quaint otter]

[olive nest]

Oh right we’re in arms channel

[dim basalt]

ye

[olive nest]

I’m thinking fury

[dim basalt]

Padding as arms is nearly impossible

[quaint otter]

Yesterday I had every bs lined for adds on rash

[olive nest]

Winning

[dim basalt]

Every?

Usually it lines with every 2nd

[quaint otter]

In hm

[dim basalt]

oh

[quaint otter]

Cant get into myth as woyer

[dim basalt]

Meanwhile we have been looking for a 2nd woyer for ages

Cant find one

Well finding people in general has been rough for us

2/8 andys wanna get into CE only guilds

For whatever reason

[quaint otter]

[dim basalt]

With 60% parses

Its so ridiculous

[olive nest]

I’m loan warrior too unless a guild friend fills when we need a body

[quaint otter]

"look im good i been pugging so bad parse"

[dim basalt]

Meanwhile we could get CE if only we had 1-2 more peeps

After like 3 months people just disappear until next season

[olive nest]

More court prog tonight hopefully learn 1st* dispell and maybe see i2

[dim basalt]

We gonna start court tonight

[quaint otter]

3 months is kinda late yeah

[dim basalt]

How far can you get on court with just 2 hours

I1 if lucky?

[olive nest]

First phase is the hardest to learn I’ve been told

It’s a lot of movement

And every single raid memeber has to figure out there specific positioning

It’s kind of a lot tbh but it’s doable

[dim basalt]

mhh

[eager sigil]

we reached i1 once in our first night

expect a fiesta

[olive nest]

I think Tindral was easier to understand the only exception is Tindral would fuck you with bad lazer beams

[dim basalt]

It will be a massive fiesta

[olive nest]

Oh yeah you guys will probably wipe in the first minute for 2 hours

Unless you’re like giga brain learners

[dim basalt]

Honestly dunno

[olive nest]

Wicked good raid planning etc

[dim basalt]

We killed Ovinax in only 61 pulls

Which is pretty good

[olive nest]

That’s great prog yeah!