arms

[boreal quartz]

No dont think so

[quaint otter]

around target i guess

[icy mulch]

To fix Arms?
Less requirement for bleeds.
Less useless talent nodes in both class and spec trees.
Our cool downs to actually feel impactful.
Our target caps to be in line with everyone else.
Less of a degen play style. Yeah, Collateral is great and all but I feel like waiting to pop cooldowns after a cool down is dumb.
We need something in order to be desired in M+ groups. Be it utility, broken OP dps, something. I should not have to tank to get IO before getting invites as DPS.

[wintry scroll]

do u guys cleave in ST when Merciless bonegrinder is up ?

[teal fossil]

Over slam with no mp stacks

[quasi torrent]

surely with MBG its worth even when u munch MP stacks

[icy mulch]

If you're going to lose the buff anyway, yes. Better to spend than lose it.

19 mil on Ingra during the burn phase is a perfect example of a food use of it. Lol

[teal fossil]

You mind just screenshotting slam ms and cleave for me real quick

I’ll just do quick maths

Can run it through sims later

[quasi torrent]

bro i literally

in a train

with dogshit Internet

[teal fossil]

Sadge

[quasi torrent]

idk all i can do is get the Ap values off of wowhead
but there's so many mods that that is kinds useless innit

[tacit crystal]

me too

😦

i was perma dcing trying to watch aram

[wintry scroll]

what is mp

[teal fossil]

The buff that op gives

[wintry scroll]

🫡

[quasi torrent]

its MEGA POWER

[teal fossil]

No it’s multiplayer

[wintry scroll]

i sure do need mega power cuz every time i play arms in keys i get tilted

[teal fossil]

Like how wow is a multiplayer game

[wintry scroll]

in mists

[shadow ibex]

Iirc I think cleave is better even no mbg buff as long as mp isn't consumed and during mbg MP gonna be consumed anyway by free MS from ravager

I really wish they didn't take sweeping unhinged cuz having your x2 EP get eaten by unhinged on 2t with sweeping feels gross.

Esp with how bad col exe rage is

[soft viper]

Martial Prowess

[slim cypress]

Are we cleaving in 2t? Does MS take priority in 2t or cleave?

Little confused I think the wowhead guide just has “multi target” prio list

Unless they are meaning everything 2t +

[shadow ibex]

you cleave in 2t yes

and still send MS as well

reap procs/colossus stacks

idk which has prio over other at 2t but since they both have a CD and do more than slam not gonna be super relevant which is over other

since you gonna be mashing both

[hoary olive]

So I have been hitting a single target dummy for 24 mins. Got 1.13M overall. Does this feels right? Having difficulties topping my Fury ST (Not on Dummy, but raid bosses) Sikran, Ky'veza particular.

Sim: Patchwerk 1 boss 5 mins gives 1.148M and Execute Patchwerk 1 boss 5 mins says 1.403. Didn't use pots or consums except Algari Mana Oil ***

[tacit crystal]

what does your target dummy sim for

[hoary olive]

945.913k Think I were close to that before Execution phase

[tacit crystal]

also arms is punished on those 2 bosses if you drop jug for any second

i think you should be fine

maybe reviewing prio a bit more and ig consistency

[hoary olive]

Are you able to maintain close to 100% uptime before execution phase? Mine always drop off around 5-6 stacks. Maybe I am miss using my free executes

[tacit crystal]

no, you could also get turbo unlucky

i think the move is to greed execute to maintain jug

[silk spade]

🎰

[tacit crystal]

amen

[slim cypress]

I mean I quite often have both coming off CD at around the exact same time

[hoary olive]

Pre execution? And what does ig mean :3

[tacit crystal]

i guess and i mean being able to do rotation without thinking

have conversation

go discord with friends talk shit and hit dummy

see why you can do when you are not entirely focused

[hoary olive]

I see

[sacred zodiac]

:3

[naive sage]

:3

[wintry scroll]

3:

[slim storm]

I´m staring with the arms, what talents do you recommend for M+?

[rancid solstice]

colossus

[steep osprey]

colossusy

[shadow ibex]

these new masks are kinda perfect ngl

[wintry scroll]

i tried moging them with something and i just couldn't

to the point I got tilted

[shadow ibex]

i been bugging DF s3 set

if you put pieces on from different difficulties the colors get weird

[rancid solstice]

lets see it

[slow saddle]

Im kindda curious as well

[shadow ibex]

i dont own the LFR set at all but managed to get the mythic set to turn white by mixing pieces

thats why boots are blue/white

[wintry scroll]

that shit is not matching

[shadow ibex]

instead of pure white

[rancid solstice]

oh yea thats the color the pvp elite set is lol

[shadow ibex]

the dk class set goes with the white s3 set p well

i was tryin to make a skull knight mog

he's so dreamy

[cunning jewel]

Colossus for more aoe, slayer for more single target

[silk spade]

good set for colorblind folks

👍 👍 👍

[shadow ibex]

df s3 is great

just dont put on the hat

[slow saddle]

Collosus or fail, slayer arms is sadly lacking

[rancid solstice]

I kinda like the juggy set I just don’t have all the mythic pieces or I’d rock it

[shadow ibex]

from legion?

[rancid solstice]

The amirdrassil set

[silk spade]

slayer is fine for m+

[solemn finch]

my highest dmg so far, Necrotic +11

[slow saddle]

Not rly

[halcyon valve]

that moment when youre top boss dps during execute phase, so you get instantly targeted and clapped as soon as the tank dies 👍

[slow saddle]

Dbts

[silk spade]

idk what makes you say that

but people are timing 15s as slayer arms

[slow saddle]

Carried or not

[silk spade]

?

[slow saddle]

Coz chinese guy did less than aug

[halcyon valve]

how tf do you expect someone gets carried in a 15

[silk spade]

if very high keys are being done as slayer it's probably fine for a random player to do weeklies as slayer

[halcyon valve]

but of course, colossus is still the correct choice, because big number

[silk spade]

colossus is better ofc

but slayer is fine

[slow saddle]

But if slayer is what u want do fury.tbh

[shadow ibex]

i hate the helmet but gloves/boots are perfect

[hazy flower]

Very easily

Some keys easier than others

[regal wharf]

this has to be the worst season of WoW I've played yet

started at S3 DF

and jesus christ this is just agony

[minor gust]

Bludds only on his 3rd season and he already hates it

[regal wharf]

i just wanna get my portals and stop

i only have COT and NW left

[still fox]

slayer is fine / think same as colo around 1-2%

[regal wharf]

i dont even know if ill be able to get a 10 in my vault this week based on how things are going

😭

[shadow ibex]

i think the rotating weekly affix is great idea

my favorite season of m+ by far besides tanking in BFA as prot and just soloing reaping waves

[eager sigil]

how

[slow saddle]

No way on overalls

[still fox]

sure i play both, its the same, and raidbots say the same slayer st litte more and colo big packs littel more over all 1% the same

[halcyon valve]

finally got the proper enchants instead of the cheap crap, guess that makes the difference

[boreal quartz]

nice gz

[slow saddle]

Hmm ok, ive never been able to hit the same closeish overalls as slayer in +10keys

[ornate eagle]

Y'all get to play dps in keys?

[eager sigil]

no

[regal wharf]

THATS FUCKING RIGHT

[boreal quartz]

surely transmorpher

not bad race choice

[astral talon]

I get to play corpse on kyveza

Can't beat that

[boreal quartz]

@astral taloncourt does not die

i go crazy

[astral talon]

We had 2nd raid on kyveza

[boreal quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

we had last wed canceleld

[astral talon]

Orbs go through the middle

[boreal quartz]

last sun cancelled

[astral talon]

EVERY PULL

[boreal quartz]

so we legit have not played boss in 10 days or so

and its full p1 reprog

[astral talon]

Lmao

You know what I noticed

I kinda like boss fights

But I absolutely hate class design

And how every spec has some stupid cd reduction

[boreal quartz]

i dont wanna play anything but ansurek to be done

[astral talon]

Oh nice I got 50 sudden deaths on pull, 20s cd bladestorm lets go

[boreal quartz]

yee

[astral talon]

I think its a terrible design now

Way too many cd reductions

To the point where you cant reliably hold cds or pop them whenever you want for max dps

You can't really optimize your rotation for max dps

You just gotta send and pray for best procs

[minor gust]

We're finally getting some p3 prog court should die for us tonight or next week

[boreal quartz]

i pray

we saw p2 again passed dispell

maybe its unfucked

[minor gust]

I don't like court at all. The fact there's a stop dmg moment too makes it even worse

[boreal quartz]

me neither

i just wanna do ansurek

so tier ends

[quasi torrent]

do not the spider

[boreal quartz]

make the tier end

i dont want to play wow anymore

[astral talon]

You can't stop us

[shadow ibex]

progging court rn

on web duty

[minor gust]

On web duty as a melee

[shadow ibex]

p much

my thoughts

[boreal quartz]

ât least im not

[shadow ibex]

idk how

have x2 melee

both wars

idk how hunters avoided doing it

they arent in bait grp

[minor gust]

Same and that's all that matters

[shadow ibex]

[magic canopy]

Colossus Season 2

the Fishining

[astral talon]

Colossus should get a rework for s2

The other talent on choice node with AM desperately needs a rework too xD

[latent moss]

what other talent on choice node with am

[astral talon]

Ye, exactly

Never seen a node more dead than that lmao

I'd love for our cds to not be fucking 30s, and do more dmg

I somehow had 25s cd bladestorm today

Not even in exe phase

In fucjing opener

[latent moss]

its actually better than tom last time i simmed it

like spiteful serenity over am was a smaller loss than tom over iftk

tbf that was without tom optimizations

maybe like building tom with demolish for fatality is worth it idk

i dont wanna know

[shadow ibex]

yea can probably optimize more but its been written off for like 5 months

i still think they were p kneejerk dumb when they changed rage cost of everything

[astral talon]

Demolish needs rework to be good on ST

[shadow ibex]

should just be chaos bolt vs primary target

and crit roll vs everything else u hit

[astral talon]

10 stacks to use, 3spell combo like full moon

Never ending rotation

Of 3 abilities

Every time you get 10 stacks

[minor gust]

Demolish needs to be a 100% crit chance on third hit with extra crit being converted to crit dmg

And change the sound effects and animation to be louder and more explosive

[teal fossil]

Not really they already have a tuning lever

[minor gust]

Arms is already enough of a casino with did my mortal strike crit or not we don't need to add demolish to that list

[teal fossil]

They can buff the first 2 st hits only

They just choose not to

[astral talon]

Fair

[minor gust]

To be fair they have buffed the first two hits twice now

Still just not enough

[astral talon]

I still think 3spell combo would be the best

[teal fossil]

They can buff the op node

There’s so many things they can buff

[astral talon]

New demolish, half demolish, full demolish

[teal fossil]

3 spell combo would make demolish cost 3 gcds to use

[astral talon]

Yes

[teal fossil]

Instead of like 1.3 rn

[astral talon]

One every like 20s or so

More often in aoe

[teal fossil]

How does that solve your st

We have so much tuning levers that they choose to not use

[astral talon]

It would solve the issue of channel being terrible and clunkiness of use

3rd hit could be a frontal cleave, so it keeps the aoe component

[teal fossil]

So you aren’t pressing your aoe component until 30 stacks in

Mobs are dead by then

Or it’s grossly misaligned with cds

[weak rain]

I feel like just colossus might mechanic on st is pretty shitty

[teal fossil]

Having your first demolish per pack be shrimp damage does kinda feel bad yeah

[minor gust]

Feels good on aoe at least because you can build a 10 stack demolish and send it before CS falls off

[shadow ibex]

Avatar should give 10

Exe needs to tclap for big dam so I can spam it in aoe with ravager

[teal fossil]

Agree that avatar should give 10

[shadow ibex]

Instead of seeing my ep get consumed with sweeping up and not hitting a second target

Because unhinged is a thief

[shadow ibex]

Also would let you get creative with the cdr

[teal fossil]

Ye

[shadow ibex]

Cs reck would also feel really good

Idk why they do that shit. Assuming we did the same exact dmg as now cs reck + demo would just feel better

Even if details was same exact at end of dungeon cuz tuning etc

[astral talon]

Could have it start with the big one, then just use two small ones as a way to get additional dmg and faster rotation back to the big one

[teal fossil]

You are thinking way too hard to balance something that can be tuned with existing balancing levers

[teal fossil]

Also that only works for the first pack

[astral talon]

Gotta keep the rotation going

[teal fossil]

Now you walk into the next pack on the wrong cast of demolish

Now what

[astral talon]

You keep doing your rotation

And rotate back to the big one

[teal fossil]

Then you miss out burst on 1/3rd of the packs in the dungeon

[weak rain]

They just need to rework reck proc from avatar, its so pathetic

[astral talon]

You'd do full rotation or two evrry single pack my guy

My idea relies on not having cd on your ability

Only need stacks to do demolish

[shadow ibex]

The world if we got a hero spec focused on ravager casting what the warrior uses

[astral talon]

So you'd do one ability every like 6 globals

[shadow ibex]

[weak rain]

also they should buff tom by like 300% with current rage regen(also make SD procs count as 40 rage spent)

[astral talon]

Fuck tom

[teal fossil]

Fuck Tom

Hate flat damage profiles

[astral talon]

Tom had its moment in nyalotha

[shadow ibex]

That's what arms has been

Even in SL with no tom

[teal fossil]

That’s ebs fault

[weak rain]

funny, I feel like nyalotha dmg profile with insane execute fits arms better

[teal fossil]

I guess blizzard said no burst on st

[shadow ibex]

Is it not flat now?

[teal fossil]

It’s less flat now

With iftk

[shadow ibex]

I don't feel it

[weak rain]

it's still flat af

[shadow ibex]

Feels flat as ever

[teal fossil]

It’s still pretty flat yeah

The last time it wasn’t flat was korayn m+ shadowlands

Arms has never bursted that hard since then

Actually maybe df s1 with puzzle box

[weak rain]

nyalotha 20% boss hp KEKW

[teal fossil]

Execute profile is so based

You can just volunteer for every mechanic pre execute

[quasi torrent]

yeah i can

[minor gust]

Wild that tier set didn't get added anywhere

[shadow ibex]

It screams colossus

Big man stomps

Idk man I really don't

[minor gust]

Nobody thinks pressing clap to refresh dots is fun

[shadow ibex]

Yea cleave should also get bloodletting ms application

Or idk just make Ms frontal because why does it have to be separate since they just replace slam for each other in aoe or st

[weak rain]

How about they just remove stupid rend or smth and compensate dmg loss by buffing deep wounds by the same amount

and replace rend talent in arms tree with execute clap tierset or smth

[minor gust]

Idk if anyone would be upset if they removed bleeds from arms

[weak rain]

I just feel like rend serves no purpose, it's jsut bleed for the sake of more bleeds

maybe if it at least increased crit dmg or smth liek it used to in SL

[astral talon]

If blizzard didn't want me to do that they wouldn't have given ansurek such dumpy

[quasi torrent]

7

[astral talon]

No clue what that means

[shadow ibex]

rend is class fantasy

the end

arms warrior bleeds stuff why idk but its what warriors with 2h weapons do in wow according to blizz

only way bleeds go anywhere is if they change their mind about that and at that point its rework and rework aint happening in tww

[minor gust]

make warrior fantasy like lost ark zerker plz

[astral talon]

Lost ark slayer

Big burst then slow chill rotation

Till cds are back

[quaint otter]

U invented RA fury or sub rogue i guess?

[astral talon]

More like reinvented arms xD

[random salmon]

Is skullsplitter an absolute must in ST to take? Or is there something else that is close enough?

[shadow ibex]

not really many more ST dmg increases

we kinda take em all

[subtle brook]

??? the one time I decide to hold ravager I get these resets??? (also was I better off using Overpower for cleave buff or was spamming cleave the play here?)

[shadow ibex]

i mean if u sincerely hate it you can take fatality or something i guess. not gonna make or break any boss kills but it is worse

[chilly sparrow]

Hello! Asking for a friend cos we just experienced something in a +13 NW. Can warriors parry proc on a Heaving Retch from Blightbone?

[rancid solstice]

what was that azerite neck power that gave you insane rage gen, thats when ToM came online

in eternal palace

[polar solstice]

Lucid Dreams

Good times

[rancid solstice]

ahh yea

lady ashvane gets a full HP shield while in execute phase... hoo boy

[shadow ibex]

demolish should be on lorrgs

[manic river]

Broooo

Which addon are you using to show your pressed skills?

[subtle brook]

https://wago.io/b9euX-znp

[strange perch]

Another day of waiting for Colossus overhaul.

[summer shore]

colossus is fine

[balmy kindle]

Lull period, time to do weekly 10 clears and play refantazio

Also, POE 2

[slow saddle]

Tbh col has better, gameplay than slayer

[balmy kindle]

Ever since h is on farm mode I am just padding parses as Colo, CBA with slayer

[summer shore]

this works well for me in m+

[boreal quartz]

IP

[latent moss]

IP

[summer shore]

ip isn't too bad

one cast is like 450k

[thick kelp]

not even that

[balmy kindle]

The thing is IP doesn't really help lol

[summer shore]

it does

[thick kelp]

Just spam cleave

[boreal quartz]

450k in a 4.5 mil HP World

[quasi torrent]

IP is fucking doodoo

[halcyon valve]

Fueled by violence heals that amount every 3 seconds in aoe

[thick kelp]

but my absorb shield

[halcyon valve]

IP is only ever useful if you need to have more effective health to survive something

[quasi torrent]

every 3?

fbv has the same hps as IP if spammed on single target

[thick kelp]

for free

[quasi torrent]

IP is ONLY useful if theres a big hit every 40s and no residual dmg in between

its so fucking undertuned

[thick kelp]

wouldnt even matter when we lack the rage to use it 35% of the fight

[quaint otter]

give 30% stamina talent baseline wtf

[quasi torrent]

but living > dps, me chum

[thick kelp]

[steep osprey]

Walhe

Where arms wishlist

[quasi torrent]

start over

is the wishlist

[daring heron]

best wishlist for arms

[cunning jewel]

Hey all ! Does someone have the wa for tracking colossal might stacks ?

[thick kelp]

In the kitchen

spoiler: its alot from legion, wod, mop, cata

One thing from dragonflight

(you will never guess what

[steep osprey]

t3 SD?

[thick kelp]

Clap sd

[steep osprey]

yeah so i guessed it

[thick kelp]

bro

t3 sd

wtf

[steep osprey]

that's tier set

sudden death clap

[thick kelp]

t3 got me confused man

[steep osprey]

from season 3

sorry mb

[thick kelp]

s3 sd

[naive sage]

Once I made a wishlist thread too

[raw hollow]

is fervor a big difference dps wise compared to sudden death for m+?

[tender saddle]

On arms slayer mm+ builds, i don't understand why Blunt Instruments is prefered over Warbreaker, especially when Merciless Bonegrinder is talented. Can someone explain it to me ? (sorry if dumb question, just started playing war)

[raw hollow]

i think theres a threshold whether its 5 or 8 im not sure where warbreaker takes over

[tender saddle]

hum, ok, so really dung dependent i assume

[raw hollow]

yeah i've seen a few streamers running wb on high keys

[tender saddle]

Thanks for the answer 😄

[raw hollow]

nws 🙂

[median scroll]

can I add merciless bonegrinder from SL

oh wait we are in #arms

[wintry scroll]

does FOB count towards Collateral ?

[rancid solstice]

Yes

[slow saddle]

This to replace jugger

[fresh spire]

Wb has way more value in colossus for aoe potential where blunt has less due to the burst window of slayer being generally weaker. Blame bladestorm.

Thought you can easily run either of your choice

I'm a warbreaker gamer in both specs for keys but generally feel slayer in keys just feels clunky without blunt.

[thick kelp]

maybe maybe not

[slow saddle]

Also ofc buff normal executie

[slow saddle]

Which keys do u slayer arms in gen

I keep decently bettrr numbers as colo

[livid cloak]

Yes you can parry heaving wretch with die by the sword and take 0 damage

[tacit crystal]

XD

[icy mulch]

Slayer Arms m+ I guess is more ST focused. Though it's a lot of gambling for procs.

[misty yew]

what is the best M+ build

is there one that's been agreed as the one

[livid cloak]

Probably an enh or frost dk build

Colossus arms has some points you can throw around for personal preference

That don't change much. I've been doing no massacre, with ep 1/2 bloodborne, battlelord, soa, and exhilarating blows with bonegrinder and it's the most fun to me

So I play it

[fresh spire]

Tbh I've not played slayer in keys in forever. Colossus has taken over my heart

Secretly wish it was a little stronger for St in raid

Surely some day

🙏

[balmy kindle]

Either DKs

[fresh spire]

Frost breath. Obliterate

[balmy kindle]

In heroic I am enjoying it though

Fk slayer since no more peog

[fresh spire]

I played it on council and it felt fire

[misty yew]

either dks?

[fresh spire]

Now progging Queen it feels sad back to slayer

Bladestorm just feels fucking asssssss

[balmy kindle]

Unholy and frost are pretty neck and neck

[balmy kindle]

Both dps specs are really good at higher keys

[balmy kindle]

Progging mythic as arms 👀

[slow saddle]

Ye more big st.. tbh keep buffing ms and we will get there!!!

[balmy kindle]

They can buff demolish more

Wanna see some fat numbers

[naive sage]

I was so happy when slayer was announced

[fresh spire]

Playing fury if you have plenty of other good aoe classes feels a little wasteful. Rsther just explode the boss

Instead of mega overkilling adds. Though if we have add issues later on I will just swap but we seend to platform 3 in intermission and its not felt an issue there. More about p3

[balmy kindle]

i wished i can do arms on my farm guild group

they still need warriors doing fury janitor duty

[slow saddle]

Slayer rocks for furu

And slayer fix is simple. Make ravager work intead of bladestorm

But they wont

[naive sage]

Fury? What is that

[slow saddle]

The spec made for slayer

Ideally imho mountain thane was arms

[naive sage]

It would have been so cool, but in the lore the mountain thane is dual wielding iirc

[slow saddle]

Ofc but from a playstyle

[naive sage]

Smf to arms asap

[slow saddle]

And saying a thane can 2h wield is not impossible

[fresh spire]

Smf thane would go hard

Sad smf is just shit

Should have gave smf baseline and added modifiers to thane to make it balanced with smf

[woven wasp]

stop cooking krispi

thats the exact thing blizzard wanted to avoid

[naive sage]

I would go full apeshit and give arms 1h dual wield and fury 2h single wield

As options

Just like Classic

[balmy kindle]

thematically it makes little sense tho with arms' theme

[wintry scroll]

why would u wanna sweeping strikes with demolish

i don't understand the logic behind it

[thick kelp]

the two first hits sweep

[wintry scroll]

i see and the aoe is it a circle or a frontal ?

like op

[fresh spire]

Could have easily balanced smf in thane around weapon swings procing lightning strikrs

So one handers proc more to cover the damage dif

Wtb sd rend

The dream

[balmy kindle]

walmart enh

[fresh spire]

Rral

[naive sage]

Awesome

Ngl mountain thane had me for a bit

[fresh spire]

Thane owns

[hexed saddle]

is it april fools and fury and arms just swapped or what

what the hell is going on

[icy mulch]

You're the mod you tell us. Lol

Fucking autocorrect.

[shadow ibex]

i wanna level an enhance but also wanna just play other games

https://tenor.com/view/first-world-problem-gif-9909275

[icy mulch]

I wonder is warrior will ever be in the state of shaman. All three specs are meta, and get treated like gold.

[dim basalt]

Well start of season we had 2/3 meta specs

[shadow ibex]

i'd say since BFA more often than not both were good as eachother, just being good as eachother doesnt mean much in a tier like CN or daz

CN both specs were probably on par with one another just on par meant fighting for last place

daz arms was p bad except super early jaina before elemental lost health

and fury wasn't anything special beyond being its usual durable self

[halcyon valve]

Arguably all specs were kinda great at the start
Then the nerfs came

[shadow ibex]

fury got gunned down

[dim basalt]

great =/= meta

Afaik arms was only used for princess during RWF

[halcyon valve]

Being great is good enough

[shadow ibex]

fury was p meta for rash and brood i'd say

[dim basalt]

Fury was super strong in general

[shadow ibex]

rash early so w/e may not care but early prog that stuff matters

[dim basalt]

Especially Queen

[shadow ibex]

and brood it was def relevant

[halcyon valve]

They should just make intervene give a small absorb to you and the player you cast it on
Gg

[shadow ibex]

ill take indomitable

all i want as arms

give me that and frontal MS and i be good for about 3 years

[icy mulch]

Yeah, but none of that is meta for content like Shaman this tier, or Aug most of Dragonflight.

Maybe Legion was the last time we got the VIP treatment, sort of.

[hushed pine]

The right answer

[halcyon valve]

Thats cleave

[shadow ibex]

yes

cleave doesnt pop EP tho

and animation with fob sucks

still dont know why we had to lose sweeping animations

[halcyon valve]

💀 imagine if it did that on top of collateral, lethal blows, martial prowess, and merciless bonegrinder 💀
Infinite damage cleave

[slow saddle]

Would be almost mage level good

[shadow ibex]

i would prefer big blasting frontal MS instead of 17 modifiers

[icy mulch]

That's the gimmick right now that feels off about Arms. Balance collateral, with CS window, with Avatar, and trinket. Then Ravager on top. We should be able to do more damage in SS, Warbreaker, Avatar, than in let SS end before sending all other cool downs.

[chilly verge]

Hello, I have a question for you all since I'm tracking down a bug in the Monk class. Your bladestorm is a cast-through channel, correct? As in, you can press certain other abilities while channeling without interrupting it?

[shadow ibex]

no

while using BS you can only use defensive abilities kick and stormbolt

[chilly verge]

That's what I meant exactly, yes perfect

[halcyon valve]

There are only a few abilities you can press during bs, as schrodinger said

[shadow ibex]

they are specified pretty much

[halcyon valve]

(Defensive abilities does not include impending victory and potions)

[chilly verge]

Monk has two channeled abilities like that that allow stuns, interrupt, teleport, etc but we also suffer from them randomly getting interrupted for unclear reasons. No button press, just randomly they stop channeling early

Does that ever happen to you?

[shadow ibex]

BS isnt so much a channel

[halcyon valve]

You need to cancel aura to stop bladestorm

[shadow ibex]

as it is a cast that causes loss of control

there isnt a bar that empties over the duration

[halcyon valve]

Well, there is

[chilly verge]

So you don't actually get a channel bar?

[shadow ibex]

no

[halcyon valve]

I think

[shadow ibex]

i think maybe in wrath and such

[halcyon valve]

Or there was once?

[icy mulch]

Some add-ons give a channel bar.

Default will not.

[chilly verge]

Thank you, not related to our monk bug then. Unless you do get it randomly stopping early sometimes?

[shadow ibex]

since it isnt a channel with a bar we can jump during it and such

nah the only way to stop it is to cancel the bladestorm buff

[thick kelp]

It is a buff

when u channel bs

[chilly verge]

Mmk, different from ours. Trying to find any other class with a cast-through channel

Thank you!!

[shadow ibex]

even demolish isnt a channel in that sense

but its closer to a conventional one than BS i guess

[icy mulch]

I think something like Druid's convoke would fall into the same category as what they're talking about.

Or DH eyebeam.

[shadow ibex]

yea

we just dont have anything like that

built dif

[quaint otter]

? u cant kick or use cc without braking fists/crane channel 🙂

[chilly verge]

You cannot use other abilities during fists. Conduit and sck allow very specific ones

[quaint otter]

sck was nerfed and doesnt allow too

[chilly verge]

You can interrupt and do anything that doesn't heal or deal damage during conduit, sck you can still do non damage abilities only like interrupt and roll

They took away the ability to weave in damage abilities

[quaint otter]

kick will break channel

roll either

[quartz cedar]

Question about crafted 2 handers. Though they all have the same DPS, there are differences in the damage spreads. For arms, is it better to have higher top end damage for crits, or higher low end damage for auto attacks?

[shadow ibex]

only thing that matters is weapon dps

[zenith warren]

is it even worth to run non ST talents on court now?

[eager sigil]

wdym now

[quartz cedar]

@shadow ibex I thought so too, but my sims are telling me that a crafted 2h mace would give me more DPS than either the sword, axe or polearm. Just wondering what the math was

[hazy flower]

is it within the margin of error

[zenith warren]

how much

[eager sigil]

thats just sim variance

[quartz cedar]

Hmmm, ok

[fossil thistle]

Please don’t craft a 2h mace.
It provides intellect. Don’t be this guy

@thorn token

#neverforget

[teal fossil]

He’s scaling

[silk spade]

there is a 2h str mace

[thick kelp]

How is it always zen

[silk spade]

that guy is just special

[thick kelp]

first person i expected ngl

[fossil thistle]

Oh.
Well, still.

I also don’t know why the image is so low resolution

[thorn token]

mistakes can happen

[thorn token]

cuz its cropped ?

[fossil thistle]

No i remixed it from fury channel 😂 prob just low quality discord shtuff maybe.

[thorn token]

i answered you

because its cropped

it's a snip shot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1310985226935337070/image.png?ex=674f1ea3&is=674dcd23&hm=be4952ec883b92f95c993845a82167ffb8a7b46a223678f01a4fdccb181d329a&

here's the original

[fossil thistle]

Aah okay 🙂

[thorn token]

fyi

mace can also be strength

it's just i chose the wrong one

also exists

mace axe, whatever weapon. I chose the wrong stat, crafter overlooked it

not first, not last to happen to

it's just that some goblins love to dig and latch into shit

[fossil thistle]

Probably not, but still funny and I’ll continue using your example 🤣

[thorn token]

ye cuz a group of goblins in skyhold are on my d on whatever i say or do so

[fossil thistle]

Tbh, I always worry about wrong crafts as I did it once to myself early DF.
I always double check everything now out of habit

[thorn token]

thing is hwen i looked at replay

i did hover over the right weapon

but clicking i somehow clicked too hard and moved mouse to below one

:))

gg

fast orc fingers

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-garrosh-gif-24848307

Looks good to me

[latent siren]

Why do we press MS over Execute during Sweeping as Colossus?

[gaunt owl]

MS give more stack of Colossal Might

[fossil thistle]

MS provides more might

More might stacks is more CDR for demolish

[latent siren]

oh cuz of Precise Might gotcha

[shadow ibex]

using execute without critical thinking feels also

[fossil thistle]

Critical thinking
Unga bunga

[latent siren]

pressing ms makes me sad too

[fossil thistle]

Press it

this too

[slow saddle]

Execute when u dont play ep

Rough

Also for the love of god let slayer use ravager as arms

[zenith warren]

going from kyveza to court is very anticlimactic

[shadow ibex]

rotate

rotate

rotate

https://tenor.com/view/what-else-what-more-huh-anything-else-jon-taffer-gif-16535543

rotate

[random ibex]

so barely been following the raid this tier, and just got a trial with a 4/8M guild. What spec is going to get the most longevity out of it? i understand they are both really close, but at the end of the day is arms better on more fights than fury or the other way around? or is it completely dependant on what your comp needs?

[quasi torrent]

Fury

on the fights where fury is ahead its ahead

on the others either is fine.

[daring heron]

anyone got any arms m+ cook builds

[halcyon valve]

Spiteful serenity + arterial bleed + 45s roar

[daring heron]

overcooked

[halcyon valve]

Or can i interest you in the „i hate doing damage and want to feel miserable“ build

[marble lotus]

What is that

[halcyon valve]

(Spiteful serenity bleed build actually does alright, but loses even more single target on bosses, its got real good aoe tho)

[daring heron]

that's a big number

[marble lotus]

who needs damage anyway

[halcyon valve]

This is refusing to take talents that do damage.
Highlights: no martial prowess, no avatar, no roar, no 2h weapon spec

+sks but no rend

Also colossus with bladestorm

[astral talon]

Battlelord and eb, play spear, try to get the BIGGEST cleave on the planet

[daring heron]

that sounds like a cook

[astral talon]

Without spear, pot, avatar, skarmorak, I had 9.7mil cleave

With all of those

20mil is 100% possible

Remember to pop dbts before the cleave

[halcyon valve]

I had 12 mil on target dummy once

[shadow ibex]

going into a pull with ravager and 12 stacks of CD

knowing yea if i press these buttons

im gonna die

[halcyon valve]

You mean 15 stacks of cd

[astral talon]

You mean 18 stacks?

[halcyon valve]

21

[astral talon]

Go in, full pop, warbreaker, demolish, ravager, cleave before ravager eats 2x 4set and 2x op buff, hit 20mil dps for half a second

Life is good

[halcyon valve]

[astral talon]

Let's not forget spear too of course, before wb

@daring heron make a clip or sth when you hit that BIGGEST cleave

[shadow ibex]

gonna try spear in this 10 rq

[daring heron]

i forgot to demo

and also dummy wasn't in exe range so i didn't get iftk bonus

[fresh spire]

need to find priest for PI

then stack max master/vers instead

[solemn finch]

lool

now hop over and give Crit a like

[halcyon valve]

We love to see it

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[daring heron]

WE DID IT

i did it without lust again

[halcyon valve]

LETS GOOOO

ARMS W

[wispy kettle]

[hushed pine]

[finite mantle]

🫦

[latent moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866699859813859352/1246457163426172981/melon.gif

[finite mantle]

[regal wharf]

I hate COT

so much

so so so sooo much

[quaint otter]

Its kinda good before the healcheck on last boss

Same with siege

[regal wharf]

its just

arms is made of paper man

[rancid solstice]

but colossus warriors are inherently tough to kill

[vocal gust]

I've been having more success surviving 8+ keys with Col than Slayer

[regal wharf]

im slayer

[vocal gust]

Youre missing out on those Demolish numbers

[regal wharf]

i like the passivity of slayer

[golden anchor]

Yo where's out Christmas discord icon

[regal wharf]

honest to god i just cant do anymore

[livid cloak]

Where are you dying?

[regal wharf]

the ice shits on nx and vx and the umbral weaves on the last boss

its just a fucking hard hitting key anyways

i use my defensives, I even turn on defensive sstance

i use my pots

i just die

[livid cloak]

Are you using d stance when you have to disengage on nx and vx and impending victory when you go back in?

[regal wharf]

the first part yes but I die before i can even go back in

it's a 10 too..

[livid cloak]

You won't die just from the hit of ice

[regal wharf]

well I did, i kept taking dot damage from something

does standing in those dark circles before they go off give you some dot or some shit

it's awful

[livid cloak]

Also the ice shoots out slightly after the purple blows up

So you have time to get back on the boss

To impending victory

[regal wharf]

i mean yeah

i just die before i can impending victory..

[livid cloak]

No you dont

[regal wharf]

I fucking did tho like 2 times

i see it with my eyes whats happening

[livid cloak]

Then you misplayed

There's no dam that goes out to non tanks before that ice, and the ice shards don't one shot

[regal wharf]

well then i dont know why I was taking ticking damage before then

[livid cloak]

Especially only on a 10

[regal wharf]

fuckin.. knife throw or some shit i dunno

im tired of always pugging my keys

takes me 20 minutes to get into one

[livid cloak]

There's the bleed yes but it doesn't do a ton

You can/should also rally cry the icicles

[regal wharf]

i usally pop DBTS there

[livid cloak]

Don't dbts the bleed

[regal wharf]

i shouldnt

[livid cloak]

It doesn't do much

[regal wharf]

it wasnt solely my fault it bricked though, everyone was struggling in that

CoT and Stonevault are the worst keys of the season imo

[livid cloak]

The only thing threatening in that entire fight is the icicle dot

[regal wharf]

does sweeping strikes increase the damage dealt to the boss

no right?

[livid cloak]

Of course it does wdym

[regal wharf]

oh

[livid cloak]

If you can hit them both

[regal wharf]

idk it just didnt make sense in my head as in "that's blatently OP they wouldnt allow that"

[livid cloak]

They share hp

But you can still 2t cleave on them

[regal wharf]

im sorry for being rude im just

exhausted

[livid cloak]

And you should for sure

Last boss you should reflect the dot, but if you're worried about dying you can reflect before the root cast finishes

And you won't get rooted and you won't take damage

And you can d stance every terror slam with almost no loss

[regal wharf]

I usually reflect splice

[livid cloak]

That's ideal but if root is killing you you can use it there

[regal wharf]

the more i play these dungeons the more i realize why the healers and tanks are hating it

everything is a raidwide

LMAO

[livid cloak]

Also on last boss there

Roots and scarabs give a lot of IV resets you can utilize

[regal wharf]

do we have a stance dance macro

nothin on wow head

[livid cloak]

With sr on first boss, cleave on 2nd, and no armor on 3rd boss along with second wind being so good for orbs on 3rd boss

Cot is a really good warrior dungeon

[regal wharf]

But the orbs are just soaked, and there's no adds, unless ur talking about that one colossus warrior talent

[livid cloak]

The orbs you soak on 3rd boss give a healing absorb

But don't do damage

So second wind just heals it off by itself extremely quickly

Makes warrior an excellent choice to soak orbs

The orbs just drop a puddle under them when they are soaked so you just can't stand where you soaked one

[regal wharf]

yeah i know that one

idk man this season has just been really hard for me

I've been playing since DF S3 and it's like

holy shit

its like

man they really fucked up

challengers peril should be removed

genuinely when I wipe, after like, a death or two during a pull

im deflated

defeated

[vocal gust]

For the weave root on the last boss I save my bladestorm when playing slayer

Breaking that root right away and clearing the teams is so good.

[astral talon]

Are you EU?

If yes, I can be your hero baby

[balmy kindle]

Colo after the DR buffs does feel alot more sturdy in the 10-11s key range, can survive most stuff with stance weaving

[slow saddle]

holy F

Frost dk on ovinax

can slap

[steep osprey]

Always could

[tired sinew]

everyday i refresh wowhead in hopes for arms revamp news.. everyday i feel myself dying alittle inside hahaah

[regal wharf]

Area fifty tuah

[astral talon]

Sadge

[regal wharf]

[hushed pine]

Pray to ya boi Odyn for S tier vaults, lads

[nimble yoke]

yep this is honestly one odf the worst parts of the season

[shadow ibex]

Wtf is challengers peril

The death penalty?

[livid cloak]

Yea

[latent moss]

cbt affix

remove depletion and m+ will be infinitely more fun

and make keys just levels

like u have a +10 key u can put it in any dungeon

blizz is allergic to qol and fun

[dim basalt]

Its about time they change that kinda stuff yeah

Make it somewhat similar to delves

[silk spade]

imagine you need an item from a specific dungeon and 98% of keys in lfg are dawnbreaker

[olive nest]

Can’t time 17s without neck and cloak

Smh my head

[bleak coyote]

imagine u want to do weekly on piss alts and u get siege or cot

not a living soul will apply

[wild kernel]

Challengers Peril is such an artificial affix. All it does is make casuals less likely to complete keys and therefore play. It only affects gameplay in the fact that it makes people leave faster

[silk spade]

make it possible to reroll keys multiple times per week or smth

but choosing which key you can do every single time sounds problematic

[tacit crystal]

just log onto to tr

[latent moss]

why

[silk spade]

cause then everyone just does 1 key

and m+ and pushing becomes giga stale

[latent moss]

id rather

do 8 dawnbreakers a week

than a single cot

and most would agree

also for title u would have to do all keys anyway

and groups would be able to actually attempt world first keys without playing 9000000000 keys a day early on

[quasi torrent]

idk itll 100% lead to that bad key being played less optimally

cause less reps

even the most high end players fall into the this isnt fun "trap"

[slow saddle]

Mby a make key not deplete if u finish it?

But not upgrade either

But also remove that peril thing

[daring heron]

key deplete means carrot stays on stick for longer

[slow saddle]

But other end of stick goes up arse at depletion

I mean dno. I just want more ppl to play 10s

That way mby get taste for pushing

[balmy kindle]

Cot is pretty painful if your group has low interrupts

web bolts killing healer

[slow saddle]

Though again challangers peril dont rly matter in a 10, perception seems to make it matter

[latent moss]

theres a reason

no one is playing m+

[balmy kindle]

I am always of the opinion peril is too punishing this season , no external affixes like sanguine are good though

[silk spade]

i agree too but i think what you propose would hurt the game

[slow saddle]

Ngl the stun change from sl makes sensw, but makes a dungeon like cot so much harder

[latent moss]

im not saying its good im saying something should change and they should look at ways to reduce risk

[slow saddle]

Either that or make 9s vault keys

[latent moss]

scaling is unreal

[slow saddle]

Though a 10 is so much more fun than a 9

[latent moss]

why is a 14 90000000000 times harder

than a 13

[slow saddle]

Who cares

At that braxket

[latent moss]

people who can do 13s easily but cant 14s and they cant progress

cause the scaling is shit

[silk spade]

better than having key ranges from 2-30 honestly

[balmy kindle]

tbf blizz should fix the 10s first, participation is really low

[latent moss]

issue with the old system was that

3s felt the same as 11s

meaningless

key levels

they shouldve just squished that

[balmy kindle]

New key scaling is fine imo, but past 11s they are just tuned way hard.

theres zero incentives to do past 11s

[slow saddle]

Nah

Fam

Past 11 is supposed t9 be hard

[latent moss]

past weekly key level they should cater to title players

[slow saddle]

Exactly

[latent moss]

why should there be an incentive

people are playing them for the challenge

[silk spade]

yeah because at that point you play for score only? what

ICANT

[balmy kindle]

Well keep the grind going if not game just

[olive nest]

To many kicks

Stun change sucks balls

Fix game blizzard

[latent moss]

scaling is just evil

[olive nest]

Instead of toning down DH control they jus invalidate stun chaining

How stupid

[latent moss]

oh commanding roar did 70% of my hp without any defensives!

u do gb + 1 key level

and it onetaps u

[balmy kindle]

I am of the opinion IO score should not be the main carrot lol, atm there's nothing much to do if you dont have a push group

[latent moss]

and overkills by 20%

[regal wharf]

the carrot on the stick is the vault

[latent moss]

thats fine its group content

u cant make high keys pug friendly

u need coordinatian

coordination*

[slow saddle]

Shouldnt eithe4

[balmy kindle]

I think there should be a good balance between not pug friendly and impossible

some middle ground will be nice for player participation

[latent moss]

idk 15s/16s not being pug friendly is such a non issue

[slow saddle]

Ppl are puggin 14-15s?

[balmy kindle]

nah for me 15s and 16s are not the issue

mostly 10-11s

[latent moss]

ofc not

idk maybe some are

[slow saddle]

Some are

[silk spade]

that's just a skill issue

sorry to say

[quasi torrent]

sounds like a skill issue

[balmy kindle]

Like your average guildless player is not enjoying the game for sure

[olive nest]

Maybe I’m in the minority opinion here but I think all dungeon content should be puggable

[latent moss]

idk those keys are giga easy

[olive nest]

Even title range keys

[silk spade]

max vault keys are easy for a good portion of the playerbase

[slow saddle]

10 are not easy

[olive nest]

It should be challenging in a way that isn’t strictly coordination

[slow saddle]

If u are at like 610-615

[balmy kindle]

I mean i am alr past the wall but you do know the game doesnt revolve around sweats

[quasi torrent]

Uhh why
you're not getting CE without a guild
why should u get title without a group

[slow saddle]

And avg

[regal wharf]

yeah 10's are way harder this season to me than DF S3 and S4

[quasi torrent]

using the term sweats invalidates anything you say, have a good day

[silk spade]

keys beyond vault are supposed to appease mini game addicts
playing an infinitely scaling content that is easy as fuck
teh difficulty is surviving unavoidable damage by problem solving

[hazy flower]

it is

[silk spade]

so the content that gives the best rewards should be piss easy or what

[olive nest]

Because you already have to be on a raid schedule to get CE, I don’t think you should also require a second team to get title in M+

[balmy kindle]

smh i mma just do my weekly 10-11s and play smth else lol, hopefully we still have players by s2

[quasi torrent]

yeh its certainly more puggable than "high end" mythic raid lmao

[latent moss]

hi myrt

[hazy flower]

hi

[olive nest]

I’m not saying it should be piss easy

[balmy kindle]

Not saying it should be piss easy but atm I would say its tuned pretty tight

[quasi torrent]

okay so m+ plays second fiddle to raid for you? that's not their goal (despite them griefing it perma)

[silk spade]

the hardest content in a group game should require coordination and voice chat lol

[olive nest]

I’m just saying it shouldn’t require stupid amounts of coordination

[silk spade]

what would be the point of something being so easy at the top end that you can just do mindlessly

very strange take

[quasi torrent]

then the top end would just move on

xd

Cause it SCALES

S WORD DEPLOYED

[regal wharf]

I pretty much only pug my keys and its been a rough season

[silk spade]

like why it should be easy to get title

[latent moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866699859813859352/1246457163426172981/melon.gif

[silk spade]

the point of the title is that it's hard to get

???

[regal wharf]

it def depends on the dungeon

[silk spade]

any player with a pulse can time a 10

[olive nest]

In order to time this key you must double up pulls that require 8 coordinated kicks/stuns

[silk spade]

with enough experience or practice or whatever

[balmy kindle]

like some of the guys dont feel its hard to pug but i personally was like you before getting in a guild

[hazy flower]

nah

[regal wharf]

i am in a guild

[silk spade]

the highest end should require coordination or the game is too boring

[regal wharf]

they just never run keys with me

[hazy flower]

u'd be surprised how pulls are not much bigger in a 15 than say in a 12

[silk spade]

are you saying that 10s are too hard?

or am i misinterpreting

[hazy flower]

u press w

dont die

dont do negative dps

=key timed

[latent moss]

why is it cause tanks cant live or

[balmy kindle]

not for me, but your average guy may struggle

[latent moss]

idk i did some keys on vdh and it was cbr

cbt

[olive nest]

Idk I’d be fine with the challenge coming from having the dps and healing needed to beat the timer

[latent moss]

i was 600 in 6s but still

[olive nest]

Not necessarily 8 billion kicks stuns

[silk spade]

so an average guy shouldnt struggle on the content that gives the best rewards then? i dont get that personally

[quasi torrent]

dmg taken goes up and player skill can only mitigate so much

[latent moss]

so u just get number checked

parrymaxxing

[dim basalt]

So you would prefer if M+ was a bossrush?

[hazy flower]

outside of skip at the start

this looks very similar

[balmy kindle]

well thing is this is how you get guys playing classes like aug just to get into keys

[latent moss]

cot jumpscare

[hazy flower]

to something I was doing day 1 of the season

without playing ptr/beta or anything

[teal fossil]

It should be 5 target 10 minute patchwork

[silk spade]

people just copy the meta on content that doesnt matter at all

[olive nest]

Hmm that’s one way to put it sure, M+ originally was about racing the timer

[silk spade]

nothing will ever change that

[quasi torrent]

thane om top!!!!!!

[olive nest]

I think it should go back to that

[balmy kindle]

yes but the tuning being tight also reinforces people to take the best.

Like even on my guild groups where we do 10-11s on OCE, we dont take guys with lower io than us , also filtering out specs like aug

[silk spade]

raiding is a bossrush if you think about it 🤔

[olive nest]

Getting title will still require skill it just won’t be can my group rotate 8 stops properly

[dim basalt]

well yeah it is

[olive nest]

It’ll be more dps healing based

[dim basalt]

I still wonder why they bother with trash

[silk spade]

i dont think 10s are hard even thinking about casuals but maybe im out of touch

[balmy kindle]

i dont think its that hard too, but i do think they can definitely adjust the numbers

[hazy flower]

theyre pretty hard for casuals I think

comparing to like s3

[silk spade]

it's not like youre getting one shot randomly if you miss 1 kick

[latent moss]

ye but why do casuals care about mythic track gear

[silk spade]

so idk what you mean

[quasi torrent]

trickle down economics finally working

boes m8

gotta grind

[quasi torrent]

touch grass maybe

[quasi torrent]

number go up = chemicals in brain

[latent moss]

get that key level up instead

[quasi torrent]

Get deez instead

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[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-bite-orange-cat-orange-cat-attack-gif-10142361798712867466

[balmy kindle]

well there's some dungeons where that can happen, particularly cot

of course its part skill issue, but its pretty punishing

[olive nest]

10s are easy for those of us that regularly do high end M+

[dim basalt]

10s should be hard for casuals

[silk spade]

no!!!!

[olive nest]

For the average it’s absolutely difficult

[dim basalt]

Like why reward them for not even using half their abilities

[quasi torrent]

lets not conflate casuals with dogshit players