arms

[boreal quartz]

fatality is not new

nothing is new the mix is just bad

[slow saddle]

Fatality is somewhat new?

Ep is not

[naive sage]

Isn’t it?

[rare kite]

and a ton of it is watered down. old things that used to better

[slow saddle]

Tactician should procc cs

Was way better

[rare kite]

oh 100%, can't tell me overpower is a satisfying button. when you got that cs reset it was dopamine, when you get overpower reset it's just relief

[naive sage]

Let me correct you on that, overpower resets are the only thing giving flow to the spec, and it’s not a praising

[rare kite]

yea exactly, that's what i mean by "relief" you don't feel the "fuck yeah i'm getting so many resets" feeling. you're just relieved

also shattered defenses was such a good node when cs resets was a thing, big ms or exe after

[steep osprey]

Make OP have shattered defenses

crit one

crit chance after OP

[rare kite]

i'd rather have that than martial prowess

[boreal quartz]

you dont want to put more power into OP

you want more power in MS and less in the modifiers

[rare kite]

yup, remove martial prowess

[steep osprey]

ok s

so

colo is really good in cot because of all the small adds

demolish deletes them

holy crap

can't time 10 sv or cot on my warrior to save my life

groups always fail

im amazed

honestly

[slow saddle]

Cot and nw here

[steep osprey]

never had any issues with those on my shaman

but now everyone became dumber

[balmy kindle]

alr got my cot and sv on 11

[balmy kindle]

Probably because as brown class the pug groups that accept you are less likely to be ideal

[steep osprey]

true

[eager sigil]

Nw is fine now tbh

[halcyon valve]

I attempted like 12 different grim batol +10 pugs, all were horrible
Ran once with guildies, instantly timed

[eager sigil]

Stone vault can be rough

[steep osprey]

SV and CoT i mean

nw is not baD

anymore

[eager sigil]

Yea I haven't done them after I did them on 10

[steep osprey]

this is why 10 svs ain't going well

we timed this one because my guildie tank is a chad

mage doing less damage than tank

[halcyon valve]

Average pug mage

[steep osprey]

real

[balmy kindle]

your mistake was taking the mage

[steep osprey]

Wasn't my group

Otherwise I wouldn't have

[balmy kindle]

my bad, but it does show how some specs can afford to fail upwards

sometimes i wanna roll an aug as well just to in keys (nobodys gonna realize the sub 50% ebon might uptime ! )

[steep osprey]

lmao

I know which spec players are usually doing well

mage ain't one of them

[balmy kindle]

My personal pet peeve is aug and mage players

[rare kite]

yeah mage and aug are the 2 biggest offenders

[slow saddle]

I mean id say, yes

[cloud gyro]

Mage for ranged, ret for melee

[steep osprey]

what about spec players that are usually good?

[balmy kindle]

For melee : survival fury arms , UH dks and monks are quite cracked

Ranged : S priest elemental

[steep osprey]

hmm

Survival is up there for sure

I think warriors are fine but i haven't played with a lot considering i am one

[balmy kindle]

because survival hunters are only played by true lovers

[steep osprey]

real

well that's not really true recently

there's been an influx of survival hunters

And I can tell you some of them were mediocre

[balmy kindle]

i think even as FOTM now they are nowhere as popular as the dks

[rare kite]

from my experience both shaman dps specs, tho ele players are better. enhance is so broken atm it seems even bad players can do halfway decent damage. while warlocks are not in a great spot i feel like the players pump, had a demolock and he was owning

[balmy kindle]

Yeah warlock players that have high io as demo are likely very cracked

[steep osprey]

That's a good point, warlocks also are good

[balmy kindle]

Its just hard to pick them when melee is better for keys

[steep osprey]

melee better for keys

what times we live in

[balmy kindle]

its mostly damage profile and most melee specs having better interrupts and cc

[steep osprey]

remember back in the days when m+ was favoring ranged?

I think what happened is blizzard deliberately made it worse for ranged by adding in more puddles

and shit like that

[balmy kindle]

I do, sanguine affix and quaking

[steep osprey]

so they have to move a lot

melees just stay on target most of the time

ranged moving is a much more dps loss than melee

by far

especially some specs

I've tried playing demo in GB

[balmy kindle]

Tell me more , i used to play MM hunter

[steep osprey]

it was cancerous

took me a long time tup set up my cds

lol

because i had to move all the time

[balmy kindle]

yea demo works like that along with afflict in keys

[steep osprey]

the only ranged I wanna play is if they have a lot of movement

[balmy kindle]

destro is more (spam ROF)

[steep osprey]

like fire

or boomkin

elemental is nice too

spriest is dogshit

[balmy kindle]

S priest has amazing boss dmg and cleave tho if the pilot is good

my guildie plays a mean S priest (although hes always complaining about his spec)

[steep osprey]

Our spriest is also complaining about it

ALL THE TIME

he's rerolling

[balmy kindle]

just tell him give me PI and handle the boss

[steep osprey]

he's also my pi

(on shaman)

rashanan sucks for spriest

[balmy kindle]

I think S priest is kind of like arms, numerically its tuned ok but the playstyle is pretty cooked

[steep osprey]

Idk about the playstyle being cooked necessarily, it's pretty much identical to late DF

He's not complaining about playstyle

more so mobility and damage sometimes in m+

[balmy kindle]

yeah mobility is smth spriest struggles with, damage is more of it comes too slow in keys

like if you consider ASS rogue exists

[steep osprey]

gonna be playing vs a 2950 enha in cot

o7

im gonna lose dps meter

Ass rogue's damage does not come slowly

not even close compared to spriest

I can't believe how nuts caustic spatter is

Surprised they haven't nerfed it yet

[balmy kindle]

Yeah my guildie plays ass rogue as well and he's always pissed on how spriest fades compared to ass rogue.

Well, until he realizes the nature of Ass rogue in boss fights (downtime, energy starved)

[steep osprey]

yeah there's a lot of energy starvation for assa

in pure st

i like cot

[steep osprey]

man still didn't time it

the tank is doing mdi pulls and dying

cost us a time

ugh

[quaint otter]

Its fine lol git gud

Before the tww it was fixed number of damage iirc

Now its basically ww but 10 times better

Or blade flurryy

[steep osprey]

I'm enjoying colossus a lot

had least damage taken

in grp

You know what's so satisfying about demolish, clearly seeing how the mobs hp go down when you cast it

[balmy kindle]

when you pop off on meters and everyones like 👀 look the athe brown class go

[steep osprey]

no one's ever said that to me

[dreamy sleet]

Hey dudes just getting back into arms but I could have sworn cleave had a target cap you used sweeping strike to increase before no? Now it says it hits all so is SS just for MS now?

[lethal acorn]

sweeping strikes before cleave lets you get a double slam cast if you use fervor of battle

[dreamy sleet]

Ah I see

[tacit crystal]

me and my friends were watching holy moly, first comment hey gio why dont you do that

[steep osprey]

lmfao

catching strays

[opal flax]

are dps wars tanky in keys?

dont seem to have that much damage mitigation

[balmy kindle]

I think you can deem thane fury as tanky, arms is

[eager sigil]

they are alright

you got alot of defensives

just sustain is kinda mid

and hp is kinda low

[halcyon valve]

hit a 7.9m demolish in a key

ah it was on the 50% dmg amp, so it doesnt count

[rare kite]

fury is very tanky, arms not so much

[halcyon valve]

go defensive stance and still do top dps in shit keys

[dreamy sleet]

Kill it before it kills you 😡😡

[dire hinge]

Warriors have a fair number of tools in their kit to stay alive, but many folks don’t use em and then complain about dying easily

[rancid solstice]

I dropped wild strikes for 10%stam just to see how it felt, didn’t notice, same overall at the end of key

I have a ton of haste tho so maybe that helped

[untold aspen]

will there be more mythic nerfs after HOF closing?

[eager sigil]

very likely

silken court probably

theres like 800 guilds on it currently

[gaunt owl]

sounds like a skill issue

being passively tanky shouldnt exists

[dire hinge]

I just download extra health before my key

Ezpz

[dreamy sleet]

Is that the same place I can also download some ram to boost my game performance

[gaunt owl]

hey dont give away the secret

[dreamy sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/my-bad-oh-okay-alright-gif-24341012

Arms is perfect as a healer main because I can give no shits about anything and just smash

[dim basalt]

Are you confusing fury with arms

[teal fossil]

He’s just letting arms die

[dreamy sleet]

Bruh I already press enough buttons as it is.. plus the big MS crits and animations are 👌

[dim basalt]

wdym "already"

As if fury has more buttons

[dreamy sleet]

Hard to explain but the pace of arms is just more relaxing lol

[dull siren]

1..2..3...4
Fury
123123123132312131

[halcyon valve]

how it feels to play fury

https://tenor.com/view/gamer-crazy-gif-19728823

[dreamy sleet]

Ya man it’s fun but like just when I’m drunk

[quaint otter]

u wot?

its not hard at all

[halcyon valve]

how did you get "its hard" from that

[runic tundra]

tbf that is the gif you use when something requires work

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-hola-como-andy-martino-dance-gif-18551524

[dreamy sleet]

I understood it as mashing keys lol

[quaint otter]

sweating gamer usually used to describe hard things 🤷‍♀️

[dire hinge]

wow fun, arms chill, life good

[ripe field]

😏 heh yeah imagine finding things hard, all mechanics in games are easy for me 😏 heh if its under a +17 its for kiddos

[spring pilot]

Should I be pressing Skullsplitter on CD?

[dire hinge]

Think of it like your highest priority filler spell

You want to press it frequently, but your big hitters (Major CDs, MS, Opportunist, etc) all precede it

[spring pilot]

Got it, ok.

For MS, do I press that on CD or only have it has stacks? I've been pressing it on CD

[dire hinge]

In single target you press it on CD for the majority of the fight.

You stop pressing MS on CD when you enter execute phase

[spring pilot]

Ok. I've been pressing MS after two stacks of execute during the execute phase

[dire hinge]

That’s when you wait for it to get 2x of the Executioner’s Precision debuff + 2x of the 4piece Tier bonus before sending it

[spring pilot]

Oh

I am not sure I've been waiting for the tier set

[dire hinge]

It makes your life a lot easier and you get to just spam execute

With OP as filler when lower rage

(And it’s a dps gain!)

Easier + better = good 👨‍🍳

[spring pilot]

Ok, cool. Thank you! I will try and be more conscious of the tier set. I'm assuming when my Cleave and MS lights up is when that buff is active. I don't think I'm tracking it otherwise

[dire hinge]

Understandable, MS will light up during execute when it’s not a great time to press it yet, but WeakAuras can help track the correct buffs and flash only when it’s the right time

[spring pilot]

Ok. I will look for that. Thank you so much!

[dire hinge]

Always!

Good luck out there, and I hope this weekend is treating you kindly

[dreamy sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-very-wholesome-cat-warner-popbuzz-clean-cool-gif-17248043

[rare kite]

hrothy always wholesome. i await the day he will flame someone, tho it will never happen

[spring pilot]

Would anyone happen to know the name of the WA that tracks that?

[rare kite]

John

[spring pilot]

I'm currently using the Afnar WA

[dire hinge]

So any pack could contain it, but it depends on how you want to track it. Some folks track it externally (ie: a different aura appears when the buff is present), others put it directly as a number on your Mortal Strike itself.

The buff is called “Lethal Blows”, and you can search that on Wago.io and it might give some leads—- or you can edit Afnar’s to track it by copying an existing buff and changing it to watch for Lethal Blows instead

Most big packs likely have it already though

You can also search for “lethal blows” in the search box of your /WA window that appears in game, you might already have it somewhere

[strange perch]

Arms at MDI

[dire hinge]

Wahle good hooman ♥️

[spring pilot]

I wish I was adept at the WA stuff so I could figure out how to integrate it into what I already have. The pack I have doesn't track it but I found a WA that does.

[astral talon]

why is ovinax so dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogshit

fucking hell

[finite wasp]

wait i thought that trinket was good

i have it

[astral talon]

O_O

i'll strangle you

tempted to just go full ST

and zero aoe

to just nuke the worm 😦

[halcyon valve]

im full aoe padding on blast

[astral talon]

ye i cant play demolish again

cuz its giving me freezes xD

i cbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[halcyon valve]

lol

[astral talon]

im rolling off warr next patch, fuck that xD

[rare kite]

L bozo

[astral talon]

i have another class that is equal in fun

and i cba playing with broken bugged spec

imma roll another more broken more bugged spec

[rare kite]

which one is that?

[astral talon]

survi

would be dh too but momentum/inertia gameplay is cancer

[rare kite]

risky, but i respect the survival angle

[astral talon]

last raid everything worked perfectly

now its just deadge

xD

[tacit crystal]

@thick kelp

[steep osprey]

[thick kelp]

Wheres that :ome

[steep osprey]

Wallie playing Arms in the finals

based

[tacit crystal]

critcake yt stream

[woven wasp]

@thick kelp gz on echo

[steep osprey]

HE GOING

[thick kelp]

omE

[spring pilot]

Question. Is Warbreaker better than the Blunt Instruments for M+ Colossus?

[halcyon valve]

the answer: eh, can be

[dreamy sleet]

It’s funny how wrapped up in meta people get lol

[latent siren]

Any way to see talent builds?

[austere creek]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOBUVBRFQiEVKSUUBAOVVEFURVlQkFQFQCEFEFVVUBR

[halcyon valve]

"warrior dps isnt pug meta? must be trolling, surely"

[astral talon]

?

who said that lol

O_O

[steep osprey]

[finite wasp]

i am so sorry to see that

[fresh spire]

next time :o7

[finite wasp]

wiping to a boss with that little of percent left is one of the most tilting things ive ever had experienced in raiding

im not even raiding this season its absolute cringe

[halcyon valve]

damn rip

[maiden moat]

anyone know why every warri use second cd´s at Pricness by 2:00 Min ?

[halcyon valve]

they dont?

[rancid solstice]

Damn how do you get that view?

[maiden moat]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/warrior-arms/nexusprincess-kyveza

i was on the first boss 😄 mb xD

[manic river]

BTW do you guys think the Wowhead warrior guides (or at lest the arms one) are a bit outdated?

[dull siren]

[dim basalt]

Not really

[astral talon]

Fuck ovinax

Well at least next week we can ignore half of the fucking 3rd container

And just nuke the boss down

[manic river]

I get the felling many of the things we discuss here as we advanced do not reflect much on the talents discussion for example

Or no alternatives on the gear options if you want to go with a different weapon + crafted items configuration

[halcyon valve]

hehe hoho testing spiteful on ovinax

its kinda neat because the 45s warbreaker is trivial to align with add spawns, but eh, in the end cleave is just too good

[thick kelp]

aint a good comparison when other tree isnt running dn

[halcyon valve]

dn doesnt matter

the dmg gain from the second point for another 7.5% bleed dmage is equal to it with this setup

dn in the original did ~56k, the bleed talent point contributes ~57k in the bleed focused spiteful build

[astral talon]

I just play for ST on that boss now

Might play collateral dmg tho

For that one HUGE cleave

[halcyon valve]

yeah

main reason for me doing this was because we were only 17/18 people today

more padding to do, and adds stay alive longer because of it

[wet cloud]

how do we use defensive stance? just like a dps druid use bear form?

[teal fossil]

Is much better than bear form

[wet cloud]

as a main balance i question that

[teal fossil]

But it’s just another defensive

[teal fossil]

You can’t do your dps rotation in bear

You are effectively silenced

[astral yarrow]

Also not taking a global is pretty cool

[wet cloud]

i can bear , frenzy regen like 32% of my health too, and i think overall in defensive i take less dmg when i turn back to another form compared to 15% dr, but i gotta test it exactly, offensive bear its worse for sure

[teal fossil]

Bear better make you invincible if it’s eating up like 6 globals

[wet cloud]

its like 1 with a talent

[astral talon]

Our adds on 3rd container live for too long too

But next week we should be able to ignore most eggs on 3rd and just nuke the boss

[wet cloud]

u can spell reflect the sacrifice and the boss goes to the altar instead of u lol, at this time the effect was over already

[manic river]

God, finally got a +9 and it's on +2 time

[soft sigil]

<@&257983573498265600>

[balmy kindle]

Classic mage sandbagging

[manic river]

Heeheee

[steep osprey]

Another one

[jaunty ingot]

Do you know any arms streamer/youtuber who is playing m+?

[quiet vigil]

In 4 minute fights with lust on the pull is it worth saving battle pot for execute phase?

[fresh sierra]

I always use pot on exe phase

Increases my damage by a ton

[steep osprey]

[astral yarrow]

in very few iterations of arms has pot outside lust been the play unless the fight design called for it

[naive sage]

I swear I never did a key with a decent mage
The ones I meet always do the lowest dps

[steep osprey]

especially arcane mages

had a 633 arcane mage doing 750k overall in mists

10

[balmy kindle]

Arcane is particularly pilot dependent

[steep osprey]

how do you even get that high ilvl

[balmy kindle]

El classic fail upwards

[fresh sierra]

I disagree, I’ve ran the same fights with using pot on pull w lust
And pulls where I use pot at 35% and every single time I had MUCH more dps using it at 35%

[balmy kindle]

Interesting,but most logs on wcl still reflect potting on lust if I am not wrong

[thick kelp]

Sim it

:⁾

[astral yarrow]

love me some anecdotal evidence

[fresh sierra]

^^^ never did I tell someone to do what I do, I was just saying what I do.

[astral yarrow]

but you disagree with fact

you do you king

keep at it

[slow saddle]

I did better 1 try i forgot to pot

So pot is dps loss

#fact

[quasi torrent]

feelings don't care about your facts

[astral yarrow]

bad gif

https://tenor.com/view/ben-shapiro-facts-dont-care-about-your-feelings-gif-11823577

little better

[quasi torrent]

shut up ben

[slow saddle]

Ngæ

ngl

warrior could use lust, i just got removed from a grp before they even got a healer

😄

for a survival hunter

[quasi torrent]

easier solution is make drums not dogshit

[slow saddle]

100%

25% drums

FFS

BRING BACK ANCIENT AFTERSHOCK

i fucking miss that thing so much

cant believe its not a choice node with spear

[quasi torrent]

not sure what demon posessed them to give us spear

creatively bankrupt

[solemn fractal]

It would fit warrior theme so much better

I hate ravager for that same reason

[slow saddle]

hmm

they would ofc have to make it brown colored

FOR gods sake make critical thinking a 1 talent point at least

IS M+ slayer build still ok ?

or do we need to do juggernaut style to actually do boss dmg?

[fresh spire]

Ideal world if they love their 2/2

Is they flip the rage between improved and critical

So baseline is higher from improved and not having 2/2 isn't so shit

Did some test sims before testing the rage refunds reversed and bl based builds gained like 30/40k dps bringing them closer to execute based one's on colossus while having 0 impact on current st meta build

Issue is with execute when we had the rage nerfs and reductions in fillers execute didn't get any changes. That high end 40 rage cost spend is pretty destructive when not running critical thinking

[naive sage]

Rename it upheaval like the D4 barbarian's ability and make it brown and you're done

Or maybe just aftershock

[manic river]

When was this?

[naive sage]

Legion I think

[thick kelp]

Legion

[slow saddle]

100%

i mean its so weird not playing massacre and EP as arms

but collosus build does seem to do decent ST without it

Btw if i craft a neck Crit -haste right? for both arms specs

[thick kelp]

sim but generally ye

[slow saddle]

ill just presume, seeing im way to mastery heavy atm, coz its cross fury // arms g ear

[thick kelp]

ye its a safe bet

[slow saddle]

still man i dno

collosus is fun

but i have 1 major gripe

and that is, any kind of stoppage in key

and stacks drops off

[daring heron]

[slow saddle]

if i play fury and this happens it just means i have cds up and get demolish shit

[naive sage]

Btw I don't wanna seem high on hopium but I feel like they will bring this back sometime

[slow saddle]

hmm when i look at u.gg i c most slayer arms play EB instead of SKS now ?

is that truly a thing as slayer in keys?

or do we just use SKS coz its nice

[naive sage]

Cleave big dmg

I hope this is a good reason for you

[slow saddle]

hmm but cleave in slayer

is not that big dam is it ?

[daring heron]

cleave itself doesnt deal as much dam as slayer

but it procs reap a lot

[slow saddle]

ah

well idm not having to play sks

i do c ppl playing blunt instruments

thats still a thing or ?

[naive sage]

It is way higher in colossus for sure

But still it's good

[slow saddle]

for sure, i just wanted to try a key as slayer arms again to c if its that much better st

in normal Slayer key spe

c

[naive sage]

And procs reap as the good sir crit said

[naive sage]

My opinion is that it's not bad at all, it felt good to me

From a purely gameplay pov

[slow saddle]

i only wanted to know if the ST difference is significant enoguh 😄

or do i have to play the hugger juggernaut slayer with no aoe spec 😄

[vital narwhal]

Im starting silken court mythic and was wondering if it matters what side/color I am on. I see most of the top logs are blue side, is that the preferred side for arms to be on?

[fresh spire]

I'd love Perma sweep (ms/execute) to return or improved sweep changed to make it hit +1 target

The dreams

Sweep hitting 3 targets + blademasters would go hard

Kill all cleave builds. Its ms time

[naive sage]

Real

[fresh spire]

Do have ms/execute sweep on my wish list though. Not having to use sweep would be poggers

[thick kelp]

no more cringe

IF SWEEPING THIS PRIO IF NO SWEEPING THIS PRIO

[slow saddle]

well

what if sweeping just didnt cost a global at least

😄

[rare kite]

the funny part it doesn't even cost a full global. it costs half a global, like wtf is that???

[slow saddle]

ikr

also i SWEAR ppl cant play in Necrotic wake

[quaint otter]

in any key?

I just run a key where tank died few time more than dd

[slow saddle]

i dno man. nw bosses are notoriously rough

vs many other

[dim basalt]

To the point where you wanna cheese bosses with a crafter lmao

[nova marsh]

Expect for nalthor ironically

I don't think I've ever actually wiped to that boss

Not even in slands

[dim basalt]

You must have never played with an aug or higher keys

Altho with 3 dps it should still be fine in higher keys

[manic river]

That's amazing

[thick kelp]

Popular statement about legion arms

[nova marsh]

I actively avoid Augs ngl

And i don't do higher keys cuz bad

[shadow ibex]

DONT YOU LOVE IT

Also sweeping is on gcd cuz bliz doesn't want us to macro it thats the only reason

But too dumb to realize that's a prison they made cuz they can just make it passive

[manic river]

Yeah even if it is a reduced gcd it feels weird

[tacit crystal]

it still feels bad because i have to stop damage for a global

[shadow ibex]

Dinosaur stuff

Rend and tclap don't need to be two whole different buttons

Etc etc

Warbringer devs what can you do 🤷

Just hope your spec rolls a titanforge and gets cool

[manic river]

Btw we still consider warlord's torment a shit option right?

[shadow ibex]

Colossus ST runs it

[manic river]

On ST

huh

[tacit crystal]

because you play a lot of crit

[shadow ibex]

If cs gave reck Colo would be so fresh

Cs and demo line up often enough

[tacit crystal]

if that was still in the game

[shadow ibex]

No you better spend a whole capstone

[tacit crystal]

we were robbed

[shadow ibex]

To give your 90 second CD a 6 second buff

Or however the fuck long it is

I look at that then I look at TR capstone being a paragraph buffing bleed dmg and increase duration

[balmy kindle]

that will be insane cook

[steep osprey]

That is a new idea

you need to apply for a dev

[shadow ibex]

If I had my way we still have WW

[torn minnow]

are people using a macro for ravager to land at your feet or at a mouseover?

[spring pilot]

I use mouseover

[torn minnow]

it feelsl ike (unlike spear) a big enough aoe to land at your feet an be OK

[shadow ibex]

I don't trust at cursor cuz you can throw it on roofs and shit

[eager sigil]

that works even without that

[halcyon valve]

[naive sage]

[@cursor]

I use a big ass Cursor tracker weakaura

So I don’t have big problems

Or more accurately big ass problems

[torn minnow]

Yeah, I love throwing aoes and landing them on chandeliers and shit

like yup, i definitely want to sweep the everliving fuck out of any cobwebs on that light fixture

[naive sage]

When I am in a place with a roof I zoom a lil bit in

It’s not the best or most comfortable thing ever but the pros are greater than the cons for me

[torn minnow]

I only play in second person mode, with a controller. Second person because I ONLY look directly at my character model. Everything else is irrelevant.

[naive sage]

Ok

[rancid solstice]

My macro is either bladestorm or @player ravager whichever I have talented. Logic is if I’m throwing ravager I probably also have sweeping up and I’m cleaving

MBG and all

[teal fossil]

And they say warrior has no magic

[timber sundial]

how good is the HoJ trinket?

[naive sage]

Right @player is a nice option too, totally forgot about it

[sly venture]

For some reason I only use @player with spear and only as Protection.

[glacial venture]

Hello, my friend is an Aug and crafted the Binding of Binding. I was wondering whether Raidbots accurately tracks the buffs provided by the ring if I tried to sim it on my Warrior

[hushed pine]

It's about a 1% or less of your damage, last I checked. It's alright if you don't have anything else but you're better off getting Sac (bis), Mark of Khardros and/or Shard

But if you ask me, HoJ is better for a class like Enh Sham

[nova marsh]

HoJ is only better because for some reason it generates MSW

...still not sure if it's suppose to

[hushed pine]

Maelstrom Weapon I assume?

[teal fossil]

yea

[hushed pine]

Bis then lol

[nova marsh]

Fot st yeah

[white sable]

Hi warz

What is your rotation like from fury to arms?

[slim cypress]

Do all 3 hits from demolish cleave with sweeping strikes?

[shadow ibex]

First 2 st hits

[hushed pine]

Assuming you're Slayer:

Charge > Rend > Avatar/Thunderous Roar > Colossus Smash > Bladestorm (especially with 3 stacks) > Skullsplitter > Mortal Strike > Overpower > Mortal Strike > repeat

Correct me if I'm wrong

[terse osprey]

Yall prefer Colossus or Slayer?

For M+ builds can i just use Warbreaker instead of CS

[hushed pine]

Colossus seems to do better in AoE situations

[teal fossil]

main thing to note is to put mortal before sks

but thats really it

if you do this rotation on ST you should be fine

[hushed pine]

If you're playing Slayer, Execute with 2 or 3 stacks of Marked for Execution

[manic river]

You don't use Bladestorm with colo

Ravager

[hushed pine]

I typed it with Slayer in mind

Edited the original comment for reference lol

[manic river]

👍

[terse osprey]

For delves do yall use Colossus or Slayer?

[nova marsh]

Guys

If delves and keys were deleted from the game would u still play

[hushed pine]

It'd definitely kill some of the incentives to play

[nova marsh]

Man just raid logging sounds just

Not worth it

Idk why some people hate any form of endgame that isn't raiding

[teal fossil]

I think half of the players in any rwf guilds only raidlog

[nova marsh]

And that's fine

But man, I kinda have grown to hate the "raiding should be the end all be all! No other end game if you can't raid don't play!

[teal fossil]

It’ll be like final fantasy

You finish raiding and go touch grass until next tier

[nova marsh]

Yep

Average guild raids 2 nights a week ya?

4 hours eaxh

Just....dosent sound worth it. Wows endgame not being just raiding is a huge draw for me

[balmy kindle]

Lol it will be sayonara for me

Played FF14 during the SL exodus days and man the content draught was real

The only pros is that you can practice Japanese by hopping into JP guilds

[nova marsh]

Yeah wows endgame is just unbeatable in it's current state ino

Pve just eats so good

[balmy kindle]

FF14 dungeons are so dry that I legit fell like way more times I would had liked

[nova marsh]

14 dungeons are awful lol

And I play tank

[balmy kindle]

Ofc we have the opposite extreme end here in wow where one dropped cast = everyone dies

Tank in FF14 is just another DPS

[nova marsh]

Yeah so are healers

Utility dosent exist!

[balmy kindle]

Also gameplay aside, FF14 also has very homogenised races

Like everyone is a humanoid

[nova marsh]

I mean it's both appealing and not

Because 14 helmets look okay on all races (that can use them)

Unlike....pandaern, Tauren, worgen...

[balmy kindle]

implying ppl use glamour instead of summer costumes on cat girls

[nova marsh]

I mean true but I like 14s armour design

Instead of the half painted on trash wow gets usually

[hushed pine]

Eh I think WoW's endgame could be better. It doesn't really respect your time imo

[nova marsh]

True

But it depends on how ya do it

If you pug....well yeah

[balmy kindle]

Agreed, I would had been so frustrated if not for getting into a guild

[nova marsh]

Pugging is designed to be worse

Wow is still a social game no matter how much people deny it

[balmy kindle]

Like when I talked to JP peeps in FF14 , the issue is that in wow you need to be good to get friends

Like the l2p thing is very real here and they do not like it

[hushed pine]

It's not even that. Think about it.

Say, you have crests and all this stuff to upgrade gear but, oh look, everything is CAPPED, and you can't ever seem to reach the max truly. And you have to keep doing it constantly. But it doesn't matter by the next .5 patch because there'll be catch up mechanics/gear that override the previous patch's gear

[dim basalt]

That's because the average WoW player is much better than in FF

Like holy shit the average FF player is so bad

[nova marsh]

By that logic no mmo respects ur time

[balmy kindle]

Why you hate 40 yo salary man coming from 9-5 job

[nova marsh]

Because the average wow player is exposed to actually difficult content on a daily basis

[hushed pine]

No, WoW just overcomplicates it unnecessarily

[nova marsh]

14 players....are not

[dim basalt]

Yup

[nova marsh]

I prefer the upgrade system as is tbh

Besides, gearing is still pretty damn fast

[dim basalt]

It's the best system we have had ina while

Except valorstones

[nova marsh]

Gearing is always a means to an end to me

[balmy kindle]

tWW is better at least for now

[hushed pine]

We had it so simple before. Get badges, buy good to almost bis gear from vendors

[nova marsh]

Dude just do delves and use radiant memories

You get more valorstones then you'll ever need

[dim basalt]

I'm not struggling, I'm at cap permanently

[nova marsh]

And you can speed run that shit. My shammy basically can't run out

[dim basalt]

But they do not have a reason to exist

[nova marsh]

I think they're fine still

[dim basalt]

Crests cap you enough as is

[balmy kindle]

Well surely they will bring it back

[nova marsh]

The only thing I have to say about them is ffs blizz

Let there be farms for them that are quick

Instead of murdering them like digging and heroic dungeons were

Holy fuck why

[balmy kindle]

Yeah valour stones amounts are poorly thought

[nova marsh]

It's been 3 months and I'm still salty about that fuxking dirt nerf

[hushed pine]

I dunno man, I'd be whining less if they added something like the badge system again. Valorstones and keys feel so unrewarding and disrespectful of your time rn

[nova marsh]

I mean

I'm also not playing for the gearing system

[balmy kindle]

I think keys are alright but there's a huge wall for pug average players

Like getting stuck at 619 is not cool

[hushed pine]

And by badge system I mean being able to buy decent or good gear from vendors again

[nova marsh]

Pugging this season has been infuriating

It is actually fucking awful

[hushed pine]

Look at Cata classic for example

[nova marsh]

Pugging this season so bad I rerolled

[balmy kindle]

Trust me I know because I brute forced to my first 90 glided by tanking

[nova marsh]

You poor soul

[balmy kindle]

Just W key and press revenge

[nova marsh]

Fucking pain

And keys below like a 7 are a real gate

A gate that's incredibly hard to get put of even by pushing ur own key

Cuz people just troll more

And above a 7 people are just so stupid. I love tanks who LoS their healer ask WHERE THE FUCK WERE MY HEALS then rage quit

[balmy kindle]

Yeah right now I think pugs just leave instead of sticking it out yoo

Blizz needs to make crests drop even when key bricks

[nova marsh]

Just leave at 12 for bricks

Making bricks feel even worse does not help

Actually can we just buff the drops to 15

[balmy kindle]

Been doing 10 carries for guildies here too lol because pugging 8s is hell

Like if you are not 630s and at a decent Io now

[nova marsh]

Yeah if you aren't 3k now you're fuxked

Like me

My season is over

I just want my portals

Then I'm gonna go replay all the dark souls game for no reason

[balmy kindle]

3000 is a lil far fetched but 2600-2700 is like min now

Also fat ilevel is needed with near bis gear

[nova marsh]

I'm barely below 2.6k

But like I just don't want to pug

[balmy kindle]

Like I had to kick an ele to appease my pug group because he has no spymasters

[nova marsh]

The rest of this season is me trying and probally failing to parse to get into an actual guild

[balmy kindle]

Even tho I was damned sure the ele is going to be decent

[nova marsh]

Current one I just can't play

[nova marsh]

That's so cringe

[balmy kindle]

It is very cringe but tank and his dps buddy was like wailing

[nova marsh]

Holy fuck maybe that's why I get invited then randomly kicked

Unbelievably cringe

[balmy kindle]

I mean we still timed the 11 SV but the ele sham was not happy

2.9k and kicked

[nova marsh]

I mean I'm not even pushing 11s cuz just bad

10s are painful enough but better then anything else

[balmy kindle]

10 and 11s are kinda ok, but 12s = fun is over

[nova marsh]

Yeah I'd never go to 12s without a guild group

Also playing a spec like enhance that folds like a wet paper towel the instant you don't have bulwark or shift up sounds VERY unfun in a range where you get one shot

[balmy kindle]

Lol enh being tofu is smth you have to figure out tho

[nova marsh]

Tofu that the mobs REALLY WONNA EAT

[balmy kindle]

With great damage comes great squishiness

[nova marsh]

You press a spender first 10 seconds of the pull you fucking die

It's funny

And GOD FORBID that spender is tempest

[balmy kindle]

Threat pulling is common though depending on the tank

I know my guildie playing bear is always struggling a lil due to how the spec works

[nova marsh]

When I played arms it wasn't so bad

[balmy kindle]

I mean we have dbts

[nova marsh]

Unless you pressed bs as your first gxd then you fold

And die or distance

[balmy kindle]

Prot Pala and vdh have alot better ways to grab threat

But they also tend to fold over if tank makes a mistake

[nova marsh]

Squishy sucks

Squishy with aoe taunts REALLY SUCKS

[balmy kindle]

On my keys enh tends to wait alil before they pop cds

[nova marsh]

Or just

Spend in general

Don't even crash

Just ss

It's a loss for sure but so is eating shit with ascendce up

[balmy kindle]

I mean in 11s you can't die too much

A few deaths is k but too many and it's auto brick

[nova marsh]

Dying to the first boss of grim

Sucks ass

But I was not ready for the damage there holy fuck

[balmy kindle]

How tho, that boss is a pushover

Oh yea you need to DR for the shout

[nova marsh]

I thought that too

Then uhh...people fucked it up

[balmy kindle]

Like some healers are as well

Then they realize oh shit I needa push my CDs for that one

[dusty summit]

Ye but some tanks are straight up ass, lost count on how many times I ripped aggro as enhance midway through the pack, or pulling aggro with flame shock, it’s depressing

[balmy kindle]

It really depends on the tank spec as well, some tanks just have weaker threat gain and tank needs to focus on living himself too

Like when I go in and hit wb and demolish I am always prepared to press dbts

[dusty summit]

Ye, I get that, but when pack is half dead and you rip aggro on the prio mob idk

[dim basalt]

Tanks can't do shit vs enhance aggro

That's why aug is needed with Timelessness

And even then it can be sketchy as fuck

Like when I spam aoe dps as pwar, see I'm losing aggro to an enh oder fdk, press aoe taunt to make sure nothing happens and they rip it once aoe taunt runs out again

What am I supposed to do lol

At that point it's a dps diff

[balmy kindle]

Yeap that's why I don't really blame the tanks lol, they alr struggling

[dim basalt]

A lot of tanks are ass don't get me wrong, but there's also only so much we can do sometimes

When I was gone on a Saturday and my team wanted to pug a tank they had the worst time of their lives lmao

[balmy kindle]

Good tanks are rare

The last thing u want is guys like me playing tank

[dim basalt]

Tanking is easy until higher keys imo

[balmy kindle]

Yea for me 8-9s is the max

[dim basalt]

When you need to plan ahead your defensives on bosses is when it gets funny

[balmy kindle]

10s I would brick the key probably because I tend to press revenge alot

DPS brain

[dim basalt]

Kek

We did a +15 dawnbreaker yesterday and that's when the 2nd boss actually starts becoming dangerous

In a 14 I can take the buster with no cds and live

15 is rip

I just wonder how people pug at that level because essentially you trust your team to track your defensives

[quaint otter]

[balmy kindle]

I mean 15 is not meant to be puggable

12-14s are alr pushing it

[quaint otter]

Why

I have some people in friend list who pugged it

[dim basalt]

12 and 13 are easy to pug

[quaint otter]

And some people who had r1 prev seasons by pugging

[dim basalt]

At 14 it becomes trickier for sure, 15 also doable

16 is where it's really tough from what I've heard

[balmy kindle]

At 15 you probably need like really really good players though

[dim basalt]

Ye

[balmy kindle]

I am not the type to push that far

[dim basalt]

Honestly if you're at that level I don't think it can be called "pugging" anymore

As you usually play with the same few people who are at that level

[balmy kindle]

It's more a a close circle

[dim basalt]

Yeah

We also have a boomy who pugged a lot of 15s

But he can't go higher because he's not meta

[quaint otter]

[dim basalt]

Nobody wants to invite him lmao

[balmy kindle]

The cool part about non meta specs is you get to be high ranked in your realm / region

[quaint otter]

Nobody wants me in 12s either but when i get in i have a buyer playing incident there

[dim basalt]

If only that was worth something

[balmy kindle]

Well it looks cool on raid Io that's all

[dim basalt]

Ye

[balmy kindle]

Lol and one of my guildies is planning to go from ass rogue to boomy

But really boomies are ok in dmg, but they are kinda like ranged arms

Dying is the problem

[dim basalt]

Yup

Assa has an easier time getting invited I think

[slow saddle]

At least they have a range

For the love of god

Buff ip

[dim basalt]

And boomy is only really playable with a ppal imo

[steep osprey]

I get invited very easily on enha

into 11s even, when i only have 3 11s timed

[dim basalt]

11s are 10s anyway

[balmy kindle]

By just being meta spec one can fail upwards

[dim basalt]

Unironically

[marble crystal]

Hi I'm new here

I'm a rerturning player after break from a few years

Could maybe someone give me some tips? my dps is pretty low in M+ arround 800K overall for my item lvl I should do more ?

[slow saddle]

Yes

But also what keys do u run

And with which grps

[quaint otter]

Play better 🤷‍♀️

[slow saddle]

Ngl at 800k

That is prob the answer

Press cleave harder

Actually i found slayer arms quite fun if volatile

[steep osprey]

why aren't the nerfing silken

[marble crystal]

evry keystone this season?

[slow saddle]

At what lvl

Coz like a 2 u do less overall than a 10++

[misty bridge]

check out the maxroll guides

https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides

It will help you out a lot

[balmy kindle]

NGL 800k overall is very low ( I am assuming you are doing 6-9s) .

While there's some optimization u can do like getting better trinkets and secondary stats, your output is likely due to play

[quaint otter]

items wont help if the guy pressing buttons wrong

[balmy kindle]

True, I went to look at the wcl logs too and it's grey

[marble crystal]

yae i a,'m running 6-9

keeping my cooldowns on CD all the time
using cleave all the time

i will run a keystone later and i will send a screenshot of details

[balmy kindle]

Sorry out of curiosity I went to see one of the SOB 9 you ran and you did like 550k overall

One of things that struck out was that for some reason even tho you are running slayer, cleave and TR make up the highest part of your damage

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R42TA9HzmFWBtJqw#fight=2&type=summary&start=1929985&end=3759802

If any pros here can help em

[dim basalt]

I know how to deal damage in M+ but I dunno how to analyze logs

[balmy kindle]

I went to look at the rotation and he for some reason did TR into bladestorm

On the first pull

[dim basalt]

Did like 2M in a +8 SV recently but that was also with colossus

(no aug)

But to be fair Im overgeared as fuck

Running around with 637.4 ilvl

[balmy kindle]

637👀

[dim basalt]

Only missing 1 trinket for full myth track

ye

Hoping I can get shard or mark next vault

[halcyon valve]

i still got normal ring and trinket equipped, never lucky with vault

[balmy kindle]

Well 632 here waiting for my mythic track trink

Or weapon thanks blizz 🙏

[dim basalt]

My first myth track was sacbrood

Havent seen a decent trinket since

[halcyon valve]

i havent seen ara-kara trinket since heroic week

[balmy kindle]

Go into the ara Kara coal mines

[tacit crystal]

stay mad noob

[halcyon valve]

????????

[tacit crystal]

i said what i said

[dim basalt]

@halcyon valve Your pfp gives Danganronpa vibes

[halcyon valve]

it is not danganronpa

[dim basalt]

I mean, of course

Else I would know it

But the artstyle reminds me of it

[manic river]

True u.u

[marble crystal]

Yea i use CD when its up? shoul I not do that ?

[balmy kindle]

The opener in aoe is like charge>clap> roar> activate your avatar and trinks> warbreaker bladestorm > sweeping > cleave ( due to merciless bone grinder) > cleave or ms depending if exhilarating blows procs or not > overpower as filler

Not having warbreaker applied is a big dmg loss

In addition, for some reason reap is a very low portion of your damage which should not be the case

Reap the storm is practically your aoe output on slayer arms outside of cleave and bladestorm

[marble crystal]

thanks mate i will try this i think I am playing my warbreaker wrong

[fossil thistle]

Should not use Demolish until ravager is done, and just keep spamming cleave because the damage amplifier?

[rancid solstice]

You should demolish when you hit 10stacks

Your cleave will on cooldown at some point

[fossil thistle]

Well between resets and avatar CDR it’s like 2.1S cd

I’ve been sending instantly at 10 stacks I figured that was the case, was just wondering if there’s better success to be had otherwise 😄

[rancid solstice]

Oh you’re playing blademaster torment? I’d still get Demolish on cd asap if at 10stacks

[fossil thistle]

Yea I’ve been enjoying it.

Early iteration of colossus build.
L I haven’t even swapped to warbreaker 😂

[final cipher]

Hi, any youtuber recommendations for arms and fury?

[fossil thistle]

Would have to check debuff uptime but doesn’t seem like optimal CD useage

If he’s 550k overall probably not using SS correctly or aligning mobs properly with overpowers shockwave effect.

Could be execute phase issues too, lot of things with slayer to optimize damage

[fossil thistle]

critcake has some good stuff.

[balmy kindle]

It's hard to check casts in wcl but I did told him his openers kinda wrong ( doing TR into BS without warbreaker)

Also guys reap damage weightage is really low too

Like when I play slayer it's usually like 3rd most damaging ability

[fossil thistle]

Yea kinda RNG dependant but it tends to proc a lot

If I wasn’t on my phone at work I could actually go through WCL properly lol

[final cipher]

Thank you

[daring heron]

thank you

[spring pilot]

Should I be using Warbreaker in AOE instead of the one that buffs Demolish?

[livid cloak]

What

[quaint otter]

What

[steep osprey]

[paper tundra]

Think he means war breaker versus blunt.

[fresh spire]

[thick kelp]

[olive nest]

[halcyon valve]

[fossil thistle]

I’ve still been using blunt instruments and having success, I think typically around 1.45-1.7M overall. Just 10s without PI or aug

[spring pilot]

Yes. Sorry, I don't remember the name.

[fossil thistle]

I’m sure you can play either and enjoy it.

[slow saddle]

U should prob choose wb, coz of demp

But works 30% less good without it

[inner terrace]

Do we lose any ST taking collosus over slayer rn? Been a bit since I've been in the swing of arms.

This is for M+

[fathom shoal]

For m+ collusus is much behind on ST compared to slayer.

[fossil thistle]

Very mucho

[fathom shoal]

But I find it way easier to get higher overall with collusus

[fossil thistle]

I peak like 1.1 st lmaoo

^^^

[rancid solstice]

Main downside of Colo is the crap boss damage

[fossil thistle]

Mind you there are variables.
But same group, same dungeon on a 10, colossus was ~430k overall more then slayer.

[balmy kindle]

welp nothing in vault again

[fossil thistle]

Grats on socket

[balmy kindle]

welp its socket on wrist i gues

[fossil thistle]

You can always take valor stones

[dim basalt]

Colossus ST feels awful in M+

But sometimes you dont need more aoe but boss damage or prio damage instead

[inner terrace]

Seems like most top warriors are taking collosus for M+ rn, with some taking slayer. Are they are least pretty close as it stands right now?

[dim basalt]

At least if you more about completing the key

[balmy kindle]

just grab the specs that can do boss damage

[dim basalt]

Slayer is straight up better in certain keys like CoT

Where you dont need a lot of aoe damage

[inner terrace]

That makes sense, case by case basis

[dim basalt]

yup

Think GB is also like that

Cant do big pulls there

And bosses in that dungeon hit like a truck too

[inner terrace]

Probably mists pugs where tanks are less likely to pull bigger

Too

[dim basalt]

Also for first boss its nice to have more ST

But dunno what the consensus is for Mists

[inner terrace]

I smee, ty.

[dim basalt]

Dont think Colossus is needed in that one

The big pulls you have arent dangerous

[balmy kindle]

double guardian

[inner terrace]

Dangerous for le tank

[dim basalt]

If your tank struggles with double guardian he sucks

[inner terrace]

Stupit tank hawhaw

[dim basalt]

Even pwarriors have issues there sometimes

For whatever reason

[balmy kindle]

anima slash lol its funny as hell

Problem is the skill doesnt look that threatening until it one shots

[dim basalt]

The dot is nasty but you dont need defensives for anything else in these packs

nor before or after the packs

[balmy kindle]

f one more socket at another week of stuck at 632

[rancid solstice]

Took heroic ansurek ring , I needed the crit

[wet cloud]

what piece of tier arms doesnt like?

[ebon garden]

hey guys for collossus M+, whazt think is the best spread of the 3 point2/1 ou 1/2 ?

[livid cloak]

Colossus does more on ingra maloch because of demolish burst during burn phase

Also having demolish for adds on last boss in city are nice and for the big pulls before bosses 1 and 3

[dim basalt]

hmm

Fair points

[odd nimbus]

1/2 100%

[fossil thistle]

Tbh overall more damage output is more time saved over straight boss damage

Especially when you’re doing 25-30% more overall

If it was 5-10% diff I’d think otherwise but the gap is big

[wheat lagoon]

What? Between slayer and colossus?

[inner terrace]

I really don't think it's as drastic as that

If that's the case then yes it would absolutely justify going collosus in all scenarios but you still see people playing slayer arms in higher keys

[fossil thistle]

Slayer can be succesful yea, but colossus is consistently higher on average.
(ara-kara being used just as an example)

Now if someone wants to go ahead and take all the logs and do an average feel free 😂😂

(Although you’re right, it’s not 25-30% more, that’s just what it is for me 😂 maybe I just can’t slayer correctly in AoE)

[eager sigil]

without the few ones at the top they look very similar

[fossil thistle]

There’s definitely a gap, albeit smaller then I was thinking.
I’d still wager on about 10%

[inner terrace]

I still think that's a bit much 10% is an insane amount of lost damage overall. There are classes that do have this much variance in their hero talent builds and you see at the top they just never ever take the other talent for M+.

That's just statistics tho. I still have to get better at both of them.

[fossil thistle]

For sure. Play what you like, don’t chase min maxing.
I enjoyed colossus during beta and I’m happy it’s playable now 😄

[inner terrace]

Min maxxing is fun :3

[regal socket]

i have nEVER gotten the garr binding

but i have like 10 barron gedon bindings

what gives?

[ionic reef]

slayer still best for raid?

[eager sigil]

yea

silken court you can play demolish

[fossil thistle]

No, shamans best for raid

🥲

[eager sigil]

true but warrior is also good

[fossil thistle]

Warrior is always good if you checkmark the “me always at top” option in details

[halcyon valve]

also ovinax because funny

[fossil thistle]

^ def can

Idk about mythic but heroic it felt about the same as slayer

[strange perch]

@latent moss

@boreal quartz

[tacit crystal]

hi pauck

[slow saddle]

Slayer does better st prio dmg, which prob speeds up keys just as much as overalls

All depends on comps

[lime ruin]

I got fury war stats on my arms build but im pumpin. Mastery isn't bad at all methinks

[tacit crystal]

its not

but haste is too important on an aa reliant class

and crit is so nice

[torn charm]

neded to sue the offspec in a boss... this is not nromal the trinket should not ahve been 15% of my dps no?

[steep osprey]

depends on rng but yea hit can be

[teal fossil]

Either this person is lucky with crits or he’s just bad at the class

[torn charm]

is first time i played arms since mop, so bad at the class

[teal fossil]

Or your mandate ilevel is disproportionate compared to rest of year

[torn charm]

all is 619

[teal fossil]

I think rend is a bit too low

[torn charm]

thanks it dos not autoactivate from crits?

[teal fossil]

Does not

You need to manual rend over 35

Under 35 Ms does it

[shrewd goblet]

When I have Avatar and Sweeping Strikes running, but Avatar is gonna run out before Sweeping Strikes, is it worth it to cut Sweeping Strikes short with /cancelaura, to get a Collateral Damage-buffed cleave within Avatar buff window?

[thick kelp]

no

[shrewd goblet]

aight thanks

[teal fossil]

Ngl it could be

But you should never be in this situation

[fossil thistle]

Boots 🫡

[lime ruin]

Did I cook

[thick kelp]

no

[steep osprey]

you burned it

[halcyon valve]

Absolutely not

[eager sigil]

bro imported the dragonflight tree

[quasi haven]

Did someone mad about the transmitter trinket like me?

[swift crown]

I did not mad about it

[inner terrace]

Did someone mad

[hushed pine]

Go back to the kitchen

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-chef-ramsay-get-out-gif-19590063

[quartz cedar]

Myth track skaramok shard. I'm not disappointed.

[woven wasp]

word for word bar for bar

spiteful serenity 💀

[tacit crystal]

no fatality

[slow saddle]

I pray for that🤣

[ionic reef]

do you guys ever actually use rend over tclap?

[inner terrace]

Pretty much like only on boss pull right

[fossil thistle]

Drop armed to the teeth

You’ll need the stamina to survive for sure

[terse osprey]

is this for M+ or raids?

or just in general

[fossil thistle]

[terse osprey]

cuz im actually using Armed to the teeth as Colossus

for aoe build

[fossil thistle]

You always take armed to the teeth

It was joke troll meme

[icy mulch]

I think it's suppose to be a meme build.

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-staring-orange-cat-staring-cat-gif-13724146065807985297

[terse osprey]

Do we use ww at all in dungeons or open world?

[lavish snow]

Do u use sweeping strikes before bladestorm or after?

[terse osprey]

before usually

[misty bridge]

After

[inner terrace]

Well guys which is it

[tacit crystal]

what does the sim do

or what does wowhead say

[fossil thistle]

Yes
If you don’t have cleave talented, WW will replace slam as filler in I believe 3 targets, unless you have SS up in which case it’d be like 5+?

[fossil thistle]

Assuming you have all your CDs, you’d want to SS your Colossus smash, and SKS before letting it rip bayblader

Would also benefit from tactician procs (you’d use before storm spinning)

[astral talon]

I feel sad

This was without avatar and skarmorak 😦

[sharp moat]

any thoughts on this build? dropping the 2 execute talents on the right for extra bleed damage seemed cool (for more aoe and less st) until i realised id have to lose battlelords torment to pick upo the second droar point aswell and losing that cleave CD reduction to cleave in avatar seems it might be a big aoe loss, any thoughts?

[manic river]

Cleave is only important button now