arms

[dire hinge]

nah that can't be right

armchair solutions to deep complex problems are surely harder

[tacit crystal]

with some of the cooks i see here

[naive sage]

That's pretty funny to say as an arms warrior

[tacit crystal]

?

[astral talon]

so, spec we all play here?

that is off meta

[boreal quartz]

asmr warroir

holy

[tacit crystal]

im an amsr war enjoyer

[astral talon]

asmr warrior sounds like big money idea

[tacit crystal]

🙂

[dire hinge]

i heard we get instantly declined and never invited and we should just throw in the towel unless we're meta

[boreal quartz]

mortal combo

is good asmr warrior talent

[astral talon]

i heard that too

[eager sigil]

just spec prot and get insta invited

[astral talon]

i guess i was just lucky to get invites, maybe someone missclicked on me

and they didnt kick me to not make me sad

[dire hinge]

just be a good arms warrior

[astral talon]

no such thing

[tacit crystal]

nah

too hard

[astral talon]

every single arms warrior is off meta, dogshit, undergeared, doing 0 dps, and having negative bench press

[naive sage]

For sure random pugs can tell if you're good or bad

[astral talon]

and they die on every pull

[dire hinge]

dooming is also super constructive and helpful too i've heard

[astral talon]

that's where ilvl and score comes into play, you're not getting declined from +10 because of skill or sth, +10 pugs just look at ilvl and score lol

[dire hinge]

smh

[astral talon]

have 10s timed, have some ilvl, you'll be first choice

[tacit crystal]

hrothmar is my statement more acceptable now

[dire hinge]

i can't read, im just an arms warrior

i need to be a mage to do that

[tacit crystal]

[naive sage]

Am I allowed to be tired about this?

[astral talon]

show ilvl, show score

[dire hinge]

i too like hurting my own feelings by tracking metrics

uninstall that shit, it's not useful imho

[boreal quartz]

u didnt accept like 26 keys

[boreal quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-battle-magician-i-cast-punkeydoodles8-brazilian-wax-gif-1614920885414437029

[thick kelp]

Philliam oiled up

[boreal quartz]

philiarms is f nelf

[tacit crystal]

philliam is so handsome

[astral talon]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JvO1XRwVBis

[boreal quartz]

i have not logged into wow

since vault

[livid cloak]

I've been playing a blood dk

[astral talon]

get vault, go raid, fill up vault

[livid cloak]

Its neato

[hushed pine]

For a moment I thought this was the testicular torsion spell

[livid cloak]

Arms still fun though

[astral talon]

arms #1 fun spec

followed by survi

[tacit crystal]

fun spec = number big

[astral talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230821811655147631/1253473571943088148/vlc_JnZpNAu2mE.gif

[boreal quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/my-new-character-chill-guy-oc-idgaf-gif-8231906169721916585

[dim basalt]

Just a chill guy who likes to play arms and sv

[astral talon]

spezz either missclicked, or he's gonna send the biggest paragraph of his life

[boreal quartz]

hes a known yapper

[naive sage]

I've been doing this exact thing for 3 expansions straight, I never threw in the towel even when everybody was like "jsut play fury bro xd", I kept applying and playing and making it perform the best that I could, but simply loving the spec and having fun playing it (and I really do) is not enough anymore to me, sorry for the dooming but this is the truth about my personal experience, I just went enhancement which was maybe my favorite alt

[astral talon]

there we go

and noone is saying anything about you rolling an alt if you were frustrated with your main

[boreal quartz]

tbf

sometimes u just gotta unsub

[dire hinge]

for sure, not undermining your personal experience at all. The current state of almost every DPS is like this currently though

it's not an arms thing

i hear this same shit in every single class discord

[naive sage]

And this seems like a problem to me for the health of the game

[astral talon]

there will always be meta

no matter what

you'd need to have one dps spec, one tank spec, one healer spec, for it to be balanced

dmg profiles, dungeon design, affix design, talent design, tier sets etc

too many variables to balance it perfectly

[dire hinge]

health of the game is to go bake some bread with your own hands

[astral talon]

for every dungeon

some dungs its played in mdi as well

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/my-new-character-chill-guy-oc-idgaf-gif-8231906169721916585

[dire hinge]

no, we're dooming, dont mention the highest end content right now and how we're actively represented in it

[latent moss]

ye but a spec shouldnt be 30% better than every other

like enha at the beginning

[astral talon]

of course, but they were

it is what it is

either roll meta all hte time

or enjoy your spec

i for one enjoy my arms in keys

i usually do very high dps

[naive sage]

Well probably it's a me problem, but for the first time it doesn't work like this for me, I began performing poorly and getting more frustrated

[astral talon]

performing poorly is pure skill issue

frustration rises from it

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

just gotta relax

are you pushing super high keys?

or just enjoying some +10s?

[naive sage]

I left the char behind, so no, I just stopped at 10s and 623 ilvl

[manic river]

As a survi I like this meme

[astral talon]

[boreal quartz]

🫡

[naive sage]

I was talking about previous expansions

Especially bfa

[astral talon]

wasn't arms very good in bfa at some point?

[boreal quartz]

bfa is 6 years ago

[astral talon]

i remember in raid it was great

[naive sage]

It was indeed, but I played it even when it was considered bad

And I want to stress out the word "considered"

[astral talon]

ye, same

i played it in every tier

[slow saddle]

Just play what u enjoy

Or if u want vault slots

[astral talon]

but i don't get frustrated by balancing in the game lol

[slow saddle]

Play tank

[astral talon]

no point getting frustrated at things i personally don't have any say about

[slow saddle]

I got 8 mists done in a jiffy when i equipped shield

[manic river]

Someday we will get a good class update and will be meta, and that awaited moment will just be for a week before they nerf us after complaints and go back to be mid, but what a magnificent week will that be

[latent moss]

xdd

class update

keep dreaming

[boreal quartz]

warrior rework 11.3

[latent moss]

they will just split a talent into 3

[slow saddle]

Just play prot!

[astral talon]

best i could do is say that i think demolish should be a 3 combo ability like full moon, with 10 stacks required for the use of ability, and hope archi reads it and goes "shiieeeeeeeeeeeet that's some good stuff"

[boreal quartz]

🫡

[latent moss]

and call it a rework

[naive sage]

My point is, I'm not enjoying the struggle anymore, to get invited, to prove the spec is in fact good, maybe next patch I will have fun again, just don't blame me for a bit of dooming

[boreal quartz]

guts wouldnt quit

[latent moss]

lincc said it in s3 of df

[astral talon]

ye then dont play warr, reroll, enjoy what you think is good

[latent moss]

xddd

basically

they said

warrior is fine

[astral talon]

in shadowlands i rolled survi

in some tier i rolled dh

[latent moss]

and its not even on the roadmap and wont be soon

[slow saddle]

But warrior is fine

[astral talon]

but i just look at fun, never at meta xD

i also play with a guild that doesn't care about meta

[boreal quartz]

warrior=fury

[latent moss]

ye a spec whose resource

cannot be balanced

[manic river]

Warrior prot is very good, warrior fury is fine, warrior arms is... meh

[latent moss]

very fine

[slow saddle]

Exactly arms isnt real

[manic river]

Blizz devs -> oh well you have two specs that work well, okay no more needed

[dire hinge]

rework us into a healer

[loud wadi]

whhaat

[latent moss]

ye

[naive sage]

My real skill issues are with tanking, and by skill issues, haha, let's say I am dogshit

[latent moss]

tanking is just hold w

until world first keys

[boreal quartz]

tanking is just not the content i wanna do

i think its incredibly boring

[astral talon]

tanking is chill

+10s is easy as fuck to tank lol

[latent moss]

in m+ its fun if its high enough

[slow saddle]

Tanking, is fine once u get a bit of a grasp

[astral talon]

tanking raids is boring

[manic river]

I don't want to tank I want to top 😎

[boreal quartz]

nah just not for me

[zinc wolf]

Just dont throw in towel man

[latent moss]

ye fair i dont enjoy pwar that much ngl

but vdh is a blast when undergeared

[naive sage]

I'm not even sure what the problem is

Stats are fine to me

[latent moss]

apart from like

[naive sage]

I compared my damage breaktroughs with a lot of logs and they were similar

[latent moss]

week 1 mythic

xdd

[naive sage]

I tried both slayer and colossus

[astral talon]

dont look at numbers

[latent moss]

slayer is just

[astral talon]

DO numbers

[latent moss]

so fucking boring

not even gonna lie

[astral talon]

your mind should be on BIG BOMBA

[latent moss]

on both specs

[manic river]

Yeah slayer is the basic bitch of hero talents

[astral talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1291879530243293337/20221115_132954.gif

[latent moss]

slayer has no taste

[naive sage]

Demolish is cool ngl

[latent moss]

@boreal quartz exe can be cast regardless of enemy hp and sudden death deals 100% increased damage during avatar

slayer capstone

thoughts

:xd:

ngl i thought the capstone would be something like this

[manic river]

The only new thing you get is the pasive attacks

[astral talon]

always demolish

[latent moss]

give us big fucking damage windows

and instead its

random rng hit

and some whirlwind looking ahh random rng cast

and also

0 defensives

15% sd dmg heal xdd

[boreal quartz]

slam keybind removed patchnote

[zinc wolf]

Imma big omba your bomba

[boreal quartz]

need am dead

[manic river]

For me one of the things that could be revise is our whole rotation based on 5 differents conditionals to prepare for 1 big damage window

[latent moss]

am should die

on all 3

ava 1 min

wb 1 min

cs 30s

[boreal quartz]

ye smht like that

roar 90

or ig 60 if ur going half half thing

[latent moss]

idk roar can go fuck itself

ngl

[boreal quartz]

ye i dont rlly need it to stay

same for rava

its ait but like

[manic river]

How about fixing demolish so it's not this strange fixed cast skill

[boreal quartz]

demolish is lowkey ok

if it didnt lose all dam on movement

or jank the swing timer

[manic river]

Yes but it's something we just endure

[latent moss]

@boreal quartz its kinda hard cause

i want ava dead too

but then suddenly

arms doesnt have a cd

[boreal quartz]

Ava isnt the coolest cd

But it's like

Do u wanna be ret

Where u cast cs and gain ava/reck

And then ss is es equivalent

Have damage all the time but no actual bomba

[latent moss]

i feel like the issue lies in slayer ngl

[boreal quartz]

Slayer needs to perish

Hero trees for arm kinda mid

[latent moss]

colossus is good

conceptually

demolish is just kinda ass to use

focuses on big fucking numbers

15mil cleave

but then again

why isnt demo just one big hit

for the maximum number?

[boreal quartz]

Yea channel 0.5 sec and dam

Bam

[latent moss]

its just weird

@thick kelp im waiting for the talent tree

[shadow ibex]

fact i can more reliably get a super big cleave than a super big demo cuz it doesnt crit is p dumb

but also having 18 dmg amps on cleave is stupid

[latent moss]

idk i dont mind it at all cd is fun to play around

ms/exe/demo should always crit

and scale withcrit

[shadow ibex]

mbg 4pc MP

[latent moss]

and cleave is >5t or something

if*

or just always

idk but main buttons should always crit

no one likes crit gamba

literally most unfun type of gamba

[shadow ibex]

i would remove MP

we OP so much anyway an unbuffed MS is the exception

not the rule

if anything you'd be hard pressed NOT to have cleave or MS buffed by MP

so why even have it

youd have to go out of your way trying extra hard to cast an MS that doesnt get any MP stacks

[latent moss]

remove mp
remove jugg
swap fatality and blord positions and rework it
buff ms
make ms,cleave,exe,demo always crit and scale with crit
buff blord massively idk how

this is what they could do rn they dont even have to give us chaos bolt treatment

arms would still be 10x better

than it is rn

[shadow ibex]

fatality needs to auto trigger

so you can maybe use it in aoe if you wanted

and needs to be a bleed

so it benefits from the bleed tree its at the bottom of

[latent moss]

for a rework they could

make dots not hasted
rework mastery to reverse devoker
during ava u deal max damage

reverse devoker would go so hard on arms

completely kill haste

on this spec

it should be SLOW and HARD hitting

very hard

but its easier to just ignore it

and say warriors are fine

and refuse to touch them yknow

[shadow ibex]

warbringer devs

first sentence in alpha forums about hero specs was were are very happy with warrior fantasy

that ship sailed long ago

we're gonna be this fucked amalgamation of BFA, SL and DF arms until wow 2

OP light up

buff MS with various things, the only major varation being if ToM is a buff on your character or not

[minor gust]

yeah unfortunatly Blizz is happy with the state of warrior so well never see a full level rework to arms even tho we all want it.

best well get is what we saw in TWW beta

[shadow ibex]

x2 warbringer posts

is perfect summary

[latent moss]

i wouldnt say never but not soon thats for sure

[minor gust]

no its pretty safe to say never

they have spriest and mage reworks to work on

no time for warrior

[shadow ibex]

i think a combat rogue-esque rework is flat out off the table as long as hero spec is a thing

[minor gust]

warrior in good spot

[shadow ibex]

i wouldnt even entertain the thought

[latent moss]

arms is fine

[eager sigil]

you guys should really try writing reddit threads

[minor gust]

what else is this discord for besides complaining and dooming

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/fitmc-stinky-eww-reddit-disgrace-gif-2158064489578377238

[shadow ibex]

we should be happy 2 of our 5 capstones are just dead ass shit

i call this lil dance the dance of death

[latent moss]

idk blord is more of a capstone than fatality ngl

harder to get to

[minor gust]

fatality even forgotten about by Blizzard

[latent moss]

fatality stuck in df numbers

its WILD

that fatality isnt the pick s1

[minor gust]

same with wrecking throw

[latent moss]

when we have 0 stats

[minor gust]

[shadow ibex]

n IP

its fun taking EP because we ran out of dmg increases to take

kinda like the class tree

[teal fossil]

tbf they buffed the shit out of bladestorm-ravager slot

so its now a must take

fatality doing 3-4% for a bottom node on pure st is still kinda shit though

[thick kelp]

unfinished business

[latent moss]

let me help

[latent moss]

thing is

jugg should never be the play for colossus

bs/rava being must take is fine

its good actually

we get some build diversity in theory

tbf

it has a lot to do with blord just being

dogwater

krisp ran like 98 billion sims but one of them was fatality and it wasnt much behind and it was competing with jugg and ep and stuff

i feel like the biggest issue here is critical thinking

just make it baseline with imp exe or something mann

same with deft experience

no ct colossus makes me want to eat my keyboard

it just eats ur rage bar

[shadow ibex]

i hate that both hero specs jam unhinged

colossus with no ravager would be peak

[teal fossil]

almost as if mortal strike reset talents were never that good and was just carried by the 40% OP damage buff

[slow saddle]

Fuck martial prowess

And juggernaut

Ep good

[teal fossil]

i think mp is fine

it makes pre execute a bit more engaging

[shadow ibex]

how tho

we dont play around it

[slow saddle]

It just makes ms weaker

[shadow ibex]

ironically the only times we dont have MP stacks constant is during a ravager

since unhinged is gonna eat them

or lucky EB procs ofc

[latent moss]

wouldnt change anything

u would never slam over op

[slow saddle]

With no mp, ms gets to shine from ravager + eb + battlelord and tactician

[latent moss]

no mp = ms more dam baseline

[slow saddle]

Would be nice

[shadow ibex]

i mean if they wanna make slam a good enough button that i'm willing to slam over OP when already at x2 MP stacks and MS is on CD

but at the same time such an event is super rare

considering MS is coming up very soon

[slow saddle]

Baseline ms just feels so bad

[latent moss]

it relies on buffs AND crit gamba

[slow saddle]

Exactlt

Crit gamba is enough

Just remove 1 multiplier plz

[latent moss]

crit gamba is the worst part of the spec

all this buffing wouldnt be bad if ms always crit

[slow saddle]

I enjoy it

Problem with.gamba atm is we need sun moon stars and crit for shit to do dmg

Instead of just 1 procc

[latent moss]

well if we didnt have 94 impales

maybe it wouldnt be so bad

[slow saddle]

Imagine gamba just

2 x ep + avatar + cs

[thick kelp]

shoot ideas to my dms

[slow saddle]

Would be enougg

[shadow ibex]

I just want a talent as impactful as oblit

[slow saddle]

Execute if juggernaut wasnt real

Sd procc that is

Season 4p as a talent

[shadow ibex]

Oblit changes pof window dramatically

[slow saddle]

Also make sd proc count 40 rage in am for the love of gpd

[obtuse copper]

DN

[teal fossil]

its so inconsistent what counts and what doesnt in this game

i believe within the paladin class theres discrepancies

free wogs procs 1 thing but not ther other

i dont remember exactly what

[slow saddle]

Fact

[shadow ibex]

DF OP talents combined I guess

All together to form an omega button

[quaint otter]

[lethal vale]

You should be able to move while casting demolish

would make it feel so much nicer

[dim basalt]

Not being able to move doesnt feel that bad imo

Since the cast is pretty short

[hardy gazelle]

arms good in M+ now? lol

[halcyon valve]

Nice

[latent moss]

not bad

[nova marsh]

Free DR is based

[gusty oxide]

DR is awesome

[magic canopy]

i like how

they just took all that shit away before we even got to raid on colossus

then just added it back as it was

lmao

[snow flame]

This is a cool revert but it doesnt help that colossus is not an enjoyable play expierence

[halcyon valve]

Wrong opinion

Colossus based

[lethal acorn]

This is how I feel about Slarms

[regal wharf]

9 wake

[balmy kindle]

thanks to this disc actuall good in ara kara now

[tranquil sundial]

we're so back

huge buffs

[balmy kindle]

free DR is nice no ?

[tranquil sundial]

yeah

[balmy kindle]

Any extra passive DR is a big W for arms imo, desperately need it

[regal wharf]

10 mists

[nova marsh]

Man getting beat out by a ret?

FOR SHAME

[regal wharf]

he's 614 while im 622

its so over for arms

[nova marsh]

I mean

r u playing slayer

[manic river]

I mean is very hard to beat Ret Palas on aoe, they do stupid big damage hammering that light in

[nova marsh]

And they also have like no st

[regal wharf]

I love slayah

[nova marsh]

Yeah that's the problem

Slayer for keys is pretty mid

[balmy kindle]

the gain in boss dmg

is not enough to offset the aoe you lose

[nova marsh]

yeah

You have good ST

But like zero aoe

[balmy kindle]

wont say zero but it pales to colo

like slayer is legit 90% reap doing work

[nova marsh]

And it sucks

Like it's really bad

You'd rather just have no ST and be a full aoe spec w/ colo

[balmy kindle]

big pulls on pi you might feel awesome though

[icy mulch]

Anyone got a link?

[nova marsh]

Arms getting PI?

[balmy kindle]

Happens in my guild runs, its usually either me or the bm

PI colo with EB

[latent moss]

cinema

[hushed pine]

Cleave damage

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[manic river]

Happy to see the DR buffs

[patent ginkgo]

have warriors ever had a group / party buff in t he form of war banners (pve) ie increase damage done for x time period on 2-3 min cd?

[thick hamlet]

yoooooooooo

8.3% less damage taken during demolish

viability stocks going up like craaaaazy

[rancid solstice]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=385348/skull-banner

[patent ginkgo]

should probably bring something like that back as group utility

[smoky kayak]

damage isn't utility

and Skull Banner sounds like a fun idea, but the gameplay sucks

• nobody likes rotating their banner drops in a group with multiple Warriors, and nobody likes using their cooldown for someone else's damage when you're the only Warrior

[patent ginkgo]

then could banners act like shaman totems ie slows stuns incaps

[balmy kindle]

skull banner was not well received lol in SL

[smoky kayak]

Already have all that in PHowl, Shockwave, etc

could reflavor them as banners I guess, but while banners are a nice theme they're not really a cornerstone of Warrior identity in WoW

[patent ginkgo]

warrior identity one would think is always being at least top 3 for damage output at all times no?

[manic river]

Shouts could be enhanced in our gameplay and allow us some talent points to actually take them

[thick hamlet]

no, it's low utility and low defense

[teal fossil]

never existed in live game

well this iteration of it

[teal fossil]

no thats rogue and mage identity

especially rogue since they provide no raid buff either

[balmy kindle]

the warrior identity is struggling

[fringe moon]

Wish they’d increase the single target damage for colossus

[brittle pelican]

atrophic poison?

[balmy kindle]

Just need to make battlelord an actual capstone and we will cook

[tired terrace]

Dps Warrior identity is being a tanky plate dps that is easy to play and therefore is kind of unfair if it's always very good damage. I kind of agree

I think a difficulty trade off to be absolute bis DPS is reasonable

[balmy kindle]

but DKs and rets exist now

Also both of them are relatively easy to play as well whilst being ALOT harder to kill

[tired terrace]

Frost and uh DK are both harder than dps war, and yea ret is good but not beat

Best

[balmy kindle]

well i am sure theres alot of guys here that will likely disagree with you though, the current DK dps specs are piss easy, ret more so

[tired terrace]

I think if warrior is in the top half of dps in raid it's in a fair position

[tired terrace]

I agree they are easy but fury and arms are braindead

[balmy kindle]

fury and arms are easy to play but there's quite alot of naunce to get output

[tired terrace]

Na not really

[balmy kindle]

meanwhile on the rets esp its alot of just sending cds on cooldown and doing builder spender

[tired terrace]

Like I think it's dumb for bm to be so strong ST while being so easy

[balmy kindle]

things like dropping ashen stacks, not utilizing LB stacks on arms is pretty punishing ( you just dont feel it )

on fury if you munch your RA stacks like an ape you also lose a ton of damage

[tired terrace]

But it's fair the enh is that strong because it's pretty hard relatively

[tired terrace]

Those are both super basic fundamental things that anyone mythic raiding is simply tracking by a WA. Munching buttons is just noob you can do that as any spec

[balmy kindle]

thing is , you can be noob as a ret / FDK and still do kind of pasable damage

unholy is harder but really they still do alot of damage in their big 90s cds

While war (esp on fury) you can feel like a god until you check the meters and realize your damage is below the tank

because u did your rotation wrong

[tired terrace]

I disagree with U but that's ok

I turn brain off while playing fury

[balmy kindle]

my bad, this is also my personal opinions. I am personally happy with how arms play as well (2666 IO atm)

ofc more ST damage is always welcome

[balmy kindle]

Thane build is really nice now but you can still lose a ton of damage not pressing bloodthirst enough

[tired terrace]

What you are saying applies to literally any spec in the game

Munch buttons / play bad , do bad dps

[balmy kindle]

but with ret you wont run into like which buttons should i use

while on fury it can be hmm i have a ton of rage, do i use rampage or RA bloodthirst

obviously to the average player, rampage is the right choice but it isnt (shocker)

of course other specs are the samew ell, but some specs are more suspectible to this

[tired terrace]

Fury is a 3 button rotation idk what ur talking about

[balmy kindle]

3 button rotation but on RA you need to priortize pressing RA attacks

even if you overcap on rage

[tired terrace]

Yea.. CB BB rampage .. that's all there is to it the rest really doesn't matter that much

Don't over think it

[balmy kindle]

thing is ur pug war doesnt do cb bb

they will press rampage because intuitively its the better button, but its not

[tired terrace]

No just bad ones

This is why warrior has a bad rep, smh

[balmy kindle]

More like there's a reason why Ret is so popular now

It's brain-dead and the spec flows well

And the spec doesn't punish you too hard for dropping GCDs

[tired terrace]

Go play ret then

[balmy kindle]

Lol not my cup of tea, arms is bae

[teal fossil]

ye it just makes sense for ramp>all

If ret has to overcap hp to press a filler then we have the same problem

[slow saddle]

True

Tbf u could just play am warrior

Then i think rampage is the bigger one

[valid cedar]

for multitarget would bladestorming inside sweeping strikes wastes the duration of the sweeping strikes?
should you bladestorm first before SS + colossus? confused abut the priority list on the guide

[naive sage]

Don’t use SS before bladestorm

[balmy kindle]

Think am slayer Is pretty close now for fury

[valid cedar]

even to spread colossus smash beforehands?

[slow saddle]

Nah its am thane

Am slayer i think ppl play for fun

[balmy kindle]

Ah mb, still prefer ra Thane tho blood thirst hits like a truck

[slow saddle]

Yeah 100!!!

Thane doesnt feel like it needs am

Mainly coz, ravager doesnt feel that good to use when it doesnt cleave

[balmy kindle]

True

[slow saddle]

Am unhinged cleaves with ravager

Would feel god tier

[naive sage]

Think about it, Bladestorm lasts ~5-6 seconds, in the meantime you can’t cast any single target spell, making those seconds wasted

[slow saddle]

6 seconds?

[balmy kindle]

On arms I think it depends on your haste

But it's like 4.8-6s ?

[slow saddle]

Bladestorm good(not)

[naive sage]

Also, if you pick unhinged, its mortal strikes are unaffected by sweeping strikes

[slow saddle]

Slayer with ravager would also feel better in raid

[valid cedar]

rip i played it wrong for almost a month 😭

sorry for those keys wasted

[slow saddle]

Its a big waste of sweepin buff though

But in keys play collosus!!!!

Every slayer key is a wasted key!

[fringe moon]

it's too bad 2 of slayer's hero talents don't work with ravager

[slow saddle]

Fr

[naive sage]

The solution is either to play warbreaker and apply colossus smash to >2 targets before casting bladestorm or play blunt instruments and just wait for bladestorm to end before casting ss

Or as the guy above says, play colossus + ravager

[valid cedar]

yeah i was debating to learn arms colossus or switching to fury

[slow saddle]

Tbh

Thane is a lot bettrt

Like its nit close

Colossus has such punishment if some1 dies and tank waits

Stacks drop off

[gaunt owl]

playing is punishing enough

[naive sage]

I see that the Chinese guy (or Korean? Can’t remember rn) top arms warrior in m+ on warcraftlogs along with Gellyfisk always plays slayer though

I don’t know what to do with this information

[balmy kindle]

In my experience slayer arms is equal to Colo in big pulls due to reap but your aoe damage is very inconsistent

One pull you are doing 5m DPS and being Beyblade incarnate

The other you are stuck doing puny cleaves

The main gain is in boss damage though

[naive sage]

Indeed

[balmy kindle]

Personally I still stand by Colo since it gets the group quicker to bosses where they can carry me

[slow saddle]

Mainly i feel that col should be go to in m+

Even if it isnt🤣

[balmy kindle]

Still wished Colo could be default raid though, demolish is fun

Big numbers stimulate monke brain

[slow saddle]

Ye

Slayer still feels like it shouldda been fury exclusive

[balmy kindle]

Don't ask them for rework , but for starters if they can give arms cleave as baseline by 07 it will be great

[elfin violet]

Give CR only to all tanks and BL only to all healers gg fixed m+

[naive sage]

Dumb question but

In aoe as slayer do we wait for 3 MfE stacks? Unless we have SD proc and nothing else available except MS and slam that is

[boreal quartz]

Sd over slam

Disregarding mfe

[naive sage]

Right so I'm going over the prio because i'm paranoid

Apply or reapply Rend with Thunder Clap
Cleave
Execute with 3 Marked for Execution
Overpower
Execute with Sweeping Strikes
Mortal Strike with Sweeping Strikes
Thunder Clap
Execute
Mortal Strike
Slam

No EP no SKS of course

[boreal quartz]

Imo ms>exe in ss cuz of reap

[naive sage]

Fair

[boreal quartz]

As long as u cleave on CD it's whatev

[naive sage]

Do you think it's decent? Mists 10

[boreal quartz]

Is this jugg or

[naive sage]

No

[boreal quartz]

Cuz exe is crazy high

And reap is kinda low ish

[naive sage]

should i turn off brain and obey weakaura when it kachings?

[naive sage]

i have no idea why tbh

[boreal quartz]

I mean if ur spam executing on a 5 pack rather than cleave it's bad

For overall anyways

[naive sage]

i was ultra sure i kept cleave on cd all the time

[boreal quartz]

For ethics is smth else

Then again, if u just play colossus ur cleave does like 20% more dam here

[steep osprey]

phil

[steep osprey]

is the buff to col gonna help a lot with tankiness?

[boreal quartz]

#updates-midnight

[steep osprey]

[gusty oxide]

I think archi made a little mistake, the DR buff is for PVe too?

[naive sage]

Dumb question pt. 2
We just send demolish when available with ms on cd amirite?

[boreal quartz]

Just on CD rlly

Press ms after cuz u can waste cdr and damage buff

[eager sigil]

no just abit bad formated

[gusty oxide]

Okay

Oh yeah, i see that now

[thorn lichen]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Arms Warrior gameplay. The rotation is extremely nuanced, and without a PhD in Rage Management and deep knowledge of 18th-century fencing techniques, most players will just slap their keyboard and call it a day.

👊 Mortal Strike isn’t just a button – it’s a way of life. It’s the soul-crushing reminder to healers that they’re irrelevant 💔. Overpower? No, it’s OVERKILL 💀. And don’t even THINK about dodging – you can’t escape destiny.

Arms Warriors don’t need mobility tools. Why? Because we have something better: CHARGE 💪. Imagine playing a class that doesn’t charge into combat like a freight train with Bladestorm 🚂🌪️, turning EVERYTHING in its path into confetti 🎉. CC? Who needs it when your enemies are DEAD.

“Oh, but Arms Warriors are squishy!” – LOL. Die by the Sword? More like Die BY MY Sword ⚔️🔥. Healers sweating trying to save your life? Nah fam, we’re taking it into our own hands. Rallying Cry? It’s not just for others, it’s the war cry of NEVER BACKING DOWN 💯.

If you don’t main Arms, you’ll never understand what it means to walk into a raid and instill fear in the mobs AND your own raid leader 😎. Big Crit Energy is a lifestyle, and Arms Warriors live it every. Single. Day.

💀 ARMS WARRIOR LIFE: 💀
🗡️ BIG DAMAGE ✅
🛡️ TINY SURVIVABILITY ✅
😤 INFINITE PRIDE ✅
🌪️ SPINNING FOR DAYS ✅

So next time you see an Arms Warrior, take a moment to appreciate the raw, unfiltered chaotic energy they bring. We’re not just warriors. We’re a way of life.

[astral talon]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Arms Warrior gameplay. The rotation is extremely nuanced, and without a PhD in Rage Management and deep knowledge of 18th-century fencing techniques, most players will just slap their keyboard and call it a day.

👊 Mortal Strike isn’t just a button – it’s a way of life. It’s the soul-crushing reminder to healers that they’re irrelevant 💔. Overpower? No, it’s OVERKILL 💀. And don’t even THINK about dodging – you can’t escape destiny.

Arms Warriors don’t need mobility tools. Why? Because we have something better: CHARGE 💪. Imagine playing a class that doesn’t charge into combat like a freight train with Bladestorm 🚂🌪️, turning EVERYTHING in its path into confetti 🎉. CC? Who needs it when your enemies are DEAD.

“Oh, but Arms Warriors are squishy!” – LOL. Die by the Sword? More like Die BY MY Sword ⚔️🔥. Healers sweating trying to save your life? Nah fam, we’re taking it into our own hands. Rallying Cry? It’s not just for others, it’s the war cry of NEVER BACKING DOWN 💯.

If you don’t main Arms, you’ll never understand what it means to walk into a raid and instill fear in the mobs AND your own raid leader 😎. Big Crit Energy is a lifestyle, and Arms Warriors live it every. Single. Day.

💀 ARMS WARRIOR LIFE: 💀
🗡️ BIG DAMAGE ✅
🛡️ TINY SURVIVABILITY ✅
😤 INFINITE PRIDE ✅
🌪️ SPINNING FOR DAYS ✅

So next time you see an Arms Warrior, take a moment to appreciate the raw, unfiltered chaotic energy they bring. We’re not just warriors. We’re a way of life.

[thick kelp]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Arms Warrior gameplay. The rotation is extremely nuanced, and without a PhD in Rage Management and deep knowledge of 18th-century fencing techniques, most players will just slap their keyboard and call it a day.

👊 Mortal Strike isn’t just a button – it’s a way of life. It’s the soul-crushing reminder to healers that they’re irrelevant 💔. Overpower? No, it’s OVERKILL 💀. And don’t even THINK about dodging – you can’t escape destiny.

Arms Warriors don’t need mobility tools. Why? Because we have something better: CHARGE 💪. Imagine playing a class that doesn’t charge into combat like a freight train with Bladestorm 🚂🌪️, turning EVERYTHING in its path into confetti 🎉. CC? Who needs it when your enemies are DEAD.

“Oh, but Arms Warriors are squishy!” – LOL. Die by the Sword? More like Die BY MY Sword ⚔️🔥. Healers sweating trying to save your life? Nah fam, we’re taking it into our own hands. Rallying Cry? It’s not just for others, it’s the war cry of NEVER BACKING DOWN 💯.

If you don’t main Arms, you’ll never understand what it means to walk into a raid and instill fear in the mobs AND your own raid leader 😎. Big Crit Energy is a lifestyle, and Arms Warriors live it every. Single. Day.

💀 ARMS WARRIOR LIFE: 💀
🗡️ BIG DAMAGE ✅
🛡️ TINY SURVIVABILITY ✅
😤 INFINITE PRIDE ✅
🌪️ SPINNING FOR DAYS ✅

So next time you see an Arms Warrior, take a moment to appreciate the raw, unfiltered chaotic energy they bring. We’re not just warriors. We’re a way of life.

[halcyon valve]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Arms Warrior gameplay. The rotation is extremely nuanced, and without a PhD in Rage Management and deep knowledge of 18th-century fencing techniques, most players will just slap their keyboard and call it a day.

👊 Mortal Strike isn’t just a button – it’s a way of life. It’s the soul-crushing reminder to healers that they’re irrelevant 💔. Overpower? No, it’s OVERKILL 💀. And don’t even THINK about dodging – you can’t escape destiny.

Arms Warriors don’t need mobility tools. Why? Because we have something better: CHARGE 💪. Imagine playing a class that doesn’t charge into combat like a freight train with Bladestorm 🚂🌪️, turning EVERYTHING in its path into confetti 🎉. CC? Who needs it when your enemies are DEAD.

“Oh, but Arms Warriors are squishy!” – LOL. Die by the Sword? More like Die BY MY Sword ⚔️🔥. Healers sweating trying to save your life? Nah fam, we’re taking it into our own hands. Rallying Cry? It’s not just for others, it’s the war cry of NEVER BACKING DOWN 💯.

If you don’t main Arms, you’ll never understand what it means to walk into a raid and instill fear in the mobs AND your own raid leader 😎. Big Crit Energy is a lifestyle, and Arms Warriors live it every. Single. Day.

💀 ARMS WARRIOR LIFE: 💀
🗡️ BIG DAMAGE ✅
🛡️ TINY SURVIVABILITY ✅
😤 INFINITE PRIDE ✅
🌪️ SPINNING FOR DAYS ✅

So next time you see an Arms Warrior, take a moment to appreciate the raw, unfiltered chaotic energy they bring. We’re not just warriors. We’re a way of life.

[naive sage]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Arms Warrior gameplay. The rotation is extremely nuanced, and without a PhD in Rage Management and deep knowledge of 18th-century fencing techniques, most players will just slap their keyboard and call it a day.

👊 Mortal Strike isn’t just a button – it’s a way of life. It’s the soul-crushing reminder to healers that they’re irrelevant 💔. Overpower? No, it’s OVERKILL 💀. And don’t even THINK about dodging – you can’t escape destiny.

Arms Warriors don’t need mobility tools. Why? Because we have something better: CHARGE 💪. Imagine playing a class that doesn’t charge into combat like a freight train with Bladestorm 🚂🌪️, turning EVERYTHING in its path into confetti 🎉. CC? Who needs it when your enemies are DEAD.

“Oh, but Arms Warriors are squishy!” – LOL. Die by the Sword? More like Die BY MY Sword ⚔️🔥. Healers sweating trying to save your life? Nah fam, we’re taking it into our own hands. Rallying Cry? It’s not just for others, it’s the war cry of NEVER BACKING DOWN 💯.

If you don’t main Arms, you’ll never understand what it means to walk into a raid and instill fear in the mobs AND your own raid leader 😎. Big Crit Energy is a lifestyle, and Arms Warriors live it every. Single. Day.

💀 ARMS WARRIOR LIFE: 💀
🗡️ BIG DAMAGE ✅
🛡️ TINY SURVIVABILITY ✅
😤 INFINITE PRIDE ✅
🌪️ SPINNING FOR DAYS ✅

So next time you see an Arms Warrior, take a moment to appreciate the raw, unfiltered chaotic energy they bring. We’re not just warriors. We’re a way of life.

[kind stag]

Warrior chat poppin today

[naive sage]

On a more serious note... I can see it now... Arms owns

[kind stag]

Arms really good once you got secondary stats stacked up

Played it for a longer time until my gear drops decided "ok now you play fury"

[naive sage]

I think my secondaries are shit

I have like 31 24 18 4 or something like that

[wanton sierra]

hey, do u got good pvp colossus build?

[boreal quartz]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Arms Warrior gameplay. The rotation is extremely nuanced, and without a PhD in Rage Management and deep knowledge of 18th-century fencing techniques, most players will just slap their keyboard and call it a day.

👊 Mortal Strike isn’t just a button – it’s a way of life. It’s the soul-crushing reminder to healers that they’re irrelevant 💔. Overpower? No, it’s OVERKILL 💀. And don’t even THINK about dodging – you can’t escape destiny.

Arms Warriors don’t need mobility tools. Why? Because we have something better: CHARGE 💪. Imagine playing a class that doesn’t charge into combat like a freight train with Bladestorm 🚂🌪️, turning EVERYTHING in its path into confetti 🎉. CC? Who needs it when your enemies are DEAD.

“Oh, but Arms Warriors are squishy!” – LOL. Die by the Sword? More like Die BY MY Sword ⚔️🔥. Healers sweating trying to save your life? Nah fam, we’re taking it into our own hands. Rallying Cry? It’s not just for others, it’s the war cry of NEVER BACKING DOWN 💯.

If you don’t main Arms, you’ll never understand what it means to walk into a raid and instill fear in the mobs AND your own raid leader 😎. Big Crit Energy is a lifestyle, and Arms Warriors live it every. Single. Day.

💀 ARMS WARRIOR LIFE: 💀
🗡️ BIG DAMAGE ✅
🛡️ TINY SURVIVABILITY ✅
😤 INFINITE PRIDE ✅
🌪️ SPINNING FOR DAYS ✅

So next time you see an Arms Warrior, take a moment to appreciate the raw, unfiltered chaotic energy they bring. We’re not just warriors. We’re a way of life.

[silent flame]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Arms Warrior gameplay. The rotation is extremely nuanced, and without a PhD in Rage Management and deep knowledge of 18th-century fencing techniques, most players will just slap their keyboard and call it a day.

👊 Mortal Strike isn’t just a button – it’s a way of life. It’s the soul-crushing reminder to healers that they’re irrelevant 💔. Overpower? No, it’s OVERKILL 💀. And don’t even THINK about dodging – you can’t escape destiny.

Arms Warriors don’t need mobility tools. Why? Because we have something better: CHARGE 💪. Imagine playing a class that doesn’t charge into combat like a freight train with Bladestorm 🚂🌪️, turning EVERYTHING in its path into confetti 🎉. CC? Who needs it when your enemies are DEAD.

“Oh, but Arms Warriors are squishy!” – LOL. Die by the Sword? More like Die BY MY Sword ⚔️🔥. Healers sweating trying to save your life? Nah fam, we’re taking it into our own hands. Rallying Cry? It’s not just for others, it’s the war cry of NEVER BACKING DOWN 💯.

If you don’t main Arms, you’ll never understand what it means to walk into a raid and instill fear in the mobs AND your own raid leader 😎. Big Crit Energy is a lifestyle, and Arms Warriors live it every. Single. Day.

💀 ARMS WARRIOR LIFE: 💀
🗡️ BIG DAMAGE ✅
🛡️ TINY SURVIVABILITY ✅
😤 INFINITE PRIDE ✅
🌪️ SPINNING FOR DAYS ✅

So next time you see an Arms Warrior, take a moment to appreciate the raw, unfiltered chaotic energy they bring. We’re not just warriors. We’re a way of life.

[thick hamlet]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Arms Warrior gameplay. The rotation is extremely nuanced, and without a PhD in Rage Management and deep knowledge of 18th-century fencing techniques, most players will just slap their keyboard and call it a day.

👊 Mortal Strike isn’t just a button – it’s a way of life. It’s the soul-crushing reminder to healers that they’re irrelevant 💔. Overpower? No, it’s OVERKILL 💀. And don’t even THINK about dodging – you can’t escape destiny.

Arms Warriors don’t need mobility tools. Why? Because we have something better: CHARGE 💪. Imagine playing a class that doesn’t charge into combat like a freight train with Bladestorm 🚂🌪️, turning EVERYTHING in its path into confetti 🎉. CC? Who needs it when your enemies are DEAD.

“Oh, but Arms Warriors are squishy!” – LOL. Die by the Sword? More like Die BY MY Sword ⚔️🔥. Healers sweating trying to save your life? Nah fam, we’re taking it into our own hands. Rallying Cry? It’s not just for others, it’s the war cry of NEVER BACKING DOWN 💯.

If you don’t main Arms, you’ll never understand what it means to walk into a raid and instill fear in the mobs AND your own raid leader 😎. Big Crit Energy is a lifestyle, and Arms Warriors live it every. Single. Day.

💀 ARMS WARRIOR LIFE: 💀
🗡️ BIG DAMAGE ✅
🛡️ TINY SURVIVABILITY ✅
😤 INFINITE PRIDE ✅
🌪️ SPINNING FOR DAYS ✅

So next time you see an Arms Warrior, take a moment to appreciate the raw, unfiltered chaotic energy they bring. We’re not just warriors. We’re a way of life.

[quaint otter]

What the...

[latent orbit]

Anyone here who can point me in a direction for a solid Colossus m+ build? I think I like the fantasy more than Slayer

Also would you need to stack more crit for that type of build?

[slow saddle]

This as an arms player entire tww

[balmy kindle]

[rare kite]

we need to continue to doom to get some changes

[wanton sierra]

behold my pvp build, am i missing something?

maybe sks? bitter immu? shatter throw?

[astral talon]

but arms is good xD

[rancid solstice]

Try spear too. Helps lands the big boy demolish

[wanton sierra]

ye i triyed it! but i felt i missed it too much

slow trhow

at least im roarin in 45 sec... nice combo with battlefield commandaer, arterial bleed

i did an no bleed build, but i think its not that good

[balmy kindle]

MAGA - Make arms great again

[icy mulch]

Phil, sweet baby Jesus take your meds. That copy/pasta is both hilarious and terrifying. Lol

[boreal quartz]

its not mine unfortunately

[icy mulch]

100% Critcake is gonna get that spammed next stream.

[boreal quartz]

might be too long for twitrch

[icy mulch]

One can hope.

[steep osprey]

Yeah that is very long for watch

[hushed pine]

I'd use Tclap instead of Rend. Concussive Blows is very situational, but Rumbling Earth is good all around more so since Col makes Shockwave more useful. Other than that, this is good build

[thick kelp]

New tierlist dropped guys

[steep osprey]

HALP

[nova marsh]

We are indeed trash

[rare kite]

Who's

[boreal sphinx]

How?

[balmy kindle]

HALP

[jagged cliff]

Can someone help me understand this in the wowhead guide? "Warbreaker is a deceptively weak choice, due Demolish frequently not lining up with it anyway, while Blunt Instruments allows more frequent use of Cleave - which Colossus buffs considerably."
I don't see how making your warbreaker single target allows more frequent uses of cleave

[boreal sphinx]

I take WB as well and as a general rule I ignore approximately half of every wowhead guide

[eager sigil]

M+ players should read all the guides they can find

They need all the help

[livid cloak]

The haste scaling early on seemed to gain more value. I believe there was also an issue with the Sims making the difference between wb and BI seem less than it was.

However we've also seen big buffs to cleave so even is demolish and wb don't align, wb still sees strong value as colossus due to the cleave Amp damage

[jagged cliff]

ok thanks!

[teal fossil]

Blunt instruments gives you 3 more seconds of iftk

That’s what the guide means

[jagged cliff]

ok, i'll rather take the aoe +30% dam taken

[teal fossil]

It’s really a preference right now

[halcyon valve]

delusional tierlist

[boreal quartz]

its rated on fun

[boreal sphinx]

if it's rated on fun and outlaw is considered boring, whoever made that list may have fetal alcohol syndrome

[silent flame]

Bro also calling outlaw boring X)

[balmy kindle]

would call outlaw boring, just hurts my fingers

BTE resets are dopamine rush

[lethal vale]

Thosse arms warrior "buffs" are insulting

The funny thing is it doesn't even accomplish what they say they want to, fury is without a doubt still going to be the more tanky/survivable dps spec

[cyan oriole]

what reasonable number would have made you happy

[smoky kayak]

they do exactly what they say they want to do - they make Colossus a little bit more survivable

not a lot more, not better than, just a little bit

[thick kelp]

🤏

[lethal vale]

Well they do say "Colossus Warriors are meant to be innately tough and hard to kill" Whenever they are the easiest to kill warrior spec

[balmy cradle]

is the st in arms supposed to be ass for mythic + builds? maybe my secondary stats are bad but arms sims 150k lower than fury for mythic + builds

[smoky kayak]

that's not a change, that's a throwaway line of flavor text

also key word is innately, which... technically is true; if you just stood there and did nothing, Colossus would be slightly harder to kill

[lethal vale]

Yeah, I think the spec needs something more for Survivability, these number changes mean nothing. It needs sustain of some form where it's missing out on the Enraged regen that fury has

[smoky kayak]

well now you're talking about Arms, not Colossus

[lethal vale]

Yeah, that's fair.

[balmy cradle]

buff ignore pain

[halcyon valve]

and fix the tooltip too

[lethal vale]

The problem is you don't want to use your rage on ignore pain anyway when you can be pumping

[balmy cradle]

buff rage regen and mortal strike

but having only defensive stance half the time feels insanely bad

and no healing

[halcyon valve]

+spell reflect
+impending victory

[balmy cradle]

spell reflect is only vs magic damage

impending victory barely heals

[halcyon valve]

most of raid dmg is magic

[balmy cradle]

I am talking about mythic + idk about raid

[halcyon valve]

it heals more than a healthstone

[marsh needle]

IV is awesome

[slow saddle]

Yes

Iv is great... now IP

Still stuck in df

[balmy cradle]

it is good but fury has it

along with a lot more survivability

[slow saddle]

M8 fury is always better

[balmy cradle]

I know 😦

[slow saddle]

U play arms coz u want to

[balmy cradle]

I want to but it kinda feels like I am trolling for not playing fury

[slow saddle]

Tbf though if ip was strong

[slow saddle]

U are

Collosus is fun until u get a bad grp

Where thane just claps no matter what

Make slayer work with ravager

And id enjoy that

[balmy kindle]

well did a 11 with guildies and gapped the fury

[slow saddle]

For certain u can

But it requires so much mpre luck and brainpower

[balmy kindle]

not sure about brain power when i am just mashing

[slow saddle]

Well then ya lucky🤣

[latent orbit]

I enjoy arms more because it is more slow than fury. Also I feel like fury is just really simple where Arms requires more thought. Especially with colossus

[balmy cradle]

arms is cool because big number

[balmy kindle]

well big pulls colo is always gonna pull ahead due to how fury's meat cleaver works

[latent orbit]

Agreed that is a big one for me too

The meaty swings

[halcyon valve]

W lets go

[elfin violet]

Proper SOund effects + manliness + no carpal tunnel

Plus no fury has passed me so far

they just tankier

[balmy kindle]

granted its NW and big pulls so fury obv is not gonna keep up with ass rogue and arms

but he made up inboss fights

[slow saddle]

Well mists

Is deffo a fury key

[latent orbit]

I'm not a endgame player at all and I have a guild that runs keys so I'm lucky not to think that much about playing the best spec. But I still feel like I wanna be somewhat competitive with the other dps in my party. I also think class knowledge trumps the overall flavour of the month mentality

[slow saddle]

Not if ppl are somewhat competent on enc shaman

[latent orbit]

Well no one in my guild are xD

[slow saddle]

Or frost dk

[latent orbit]

Right. But is that a complicated spec?

[slow saddle]

No

[latent orbit]

Frost also seems like a flavor of the month class. I cannot remember when arms was really good. All of Legion perhaps? And in the endgame where they scale well

[slow saddle]

Tbh dk has been rather great entire df

And tww

[latent orbit]

I would not know so I will take your wors for it.

Word*

[slow saddle]

But hero talents and rework made dk what they are now

A great class talent tree

[latent orbit]

I should start on my dk soon xD

[slow saddle]

Which is where warrior truly loose

[latent orbit]

Yeah

[slow saddle]

Also i hate spear

[latent orbit]

Yeah I never run spear

Well as prot yes

[slow saddle]

Also roar

Is booring

I loved ancient aftershock

And tbh spear in sl was ok

It did dmg, u had spear often more fun

[latent orbit]

Aftershock was amazing and a awesome animation

[slow saddle]

Ye!

Instead we got roar and spear

💔

[latent orbit]

Also back when angermanagment also reduced Avatar cd

Yeah true

The only good thing about Roar is the dmg

[slow saddle]

But as ppl said top arms was legion

[latent orbit]

Idd

[slow saddle]

100% which is great

I want cs resets🤣

[latent orbit]

Oh yes!

[slow saddle]

I want martial prowess gone

Arms has to many multipliers

Base dmg is horrid

[latent orbit]

I kinda also think Cleave as a animation is so boring

[slow saddle]

Tbh i like cleave

But it is booring😆

[latent orbit]

And MS feels great but needs to be buffed with other things. Which I get because the fantasy of arms is slow and methodical. But I want chunky MS hits

Yup

[slow saddle]

But without op

[latent orbit]

But mechanical now cleave feels nice

Yup

[slow saddle]

Its ms strong

[balmy cradle]

when you get all the ms amplifiers only for it to not crit, very fun

[slow saddle]

This

[balmy cradle]

same with colossus

[slow saddle]

So remove the martial prowess

[latent orbit]

I hate the overpower thing. Give me one stack instead of two

[slow saddle]

0 stacks

[balmy cradle]

get 10 stacks + warbreaker + avatar only for it to not crit

feels very sad

[latent orbit]

What would you have instead of OP?

Also slam spam is puke worthy

That happens alot with slayer for me at least

[hushed pine]

Make MS hit HARD, remove Martial Prowess or make something else with it

[balmy cradle]

buff base ms damage + rage regen so you dont starve in execute phase

[slow saddle]

Op still op

Just ms does better dmg

So multipliers is cs + avatar outside execute

[latent orbit]

Also make DBtS baseline

[slow saddle]

Then in execute u get the fat.ms

Also remove juggernaut

[latent orbit]

Yeah and make execute phase just sick executes and maaaaaaybe something so you also hit MS

Like the Jugg stacks

[slow saddle]

U remove jug

Buff baseline execute to hurt

U now have a good filler en execute phase

And arent punished if its short

Also sd procs now are good

[latent orbit]

And reduced cd on Avatar with AM

[slow saddle]

Nah

Am is allready strong

Remember if cds come up more often they have to be less impactfull

[teal fossil]

Dbts doesn’t need to be baseline at all

[boreal quartz]

It essentially anyways

[slow saddle]

Ye dbts is ok

[teal fossil]

Every class has those bullshit points

[slow saddle]

Class three needs to be rebuild

Tree

[halcyon valve]

Only two things need to be changed about warrior tree imo

• avatar shouldnt be capstone
• remove (some of) the 2 pointers

[teal fossil]

Remove 2h spec

Is my main complaint

[halcyon valve]

True

Free that talent point up

[drowsy cobalt]

Walli Arms in mist mdi now

[halcyon valve]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1042069396195135488/20221115_133028.gif

[drowsy cobalt]

And hes blasting

[halcyon valve]

owns

[random ridge]

we're so back guys

[cloud gyro]

mists is a really good arms key

[halcyon valve]

Shitting on first boss

[cloud gyro]

its more that u have cd for every maze room

[halcyon valve]

That too

And you do reasonably good on big pulls at start and end of the dungeon

[cloud gyro]

no way it came down to mandate critsd

[halcyon valve]

Mandate crits go stupid

[dire hinge]

damn, that was wild close, great performance today

[drowsy cobalt]

He gapped the DK by 300k

Prob the lack of ST on last boss lost them the game?

[rare kite]

more problems, like our stamina node being basically untakeable. the torment talents are actually dead, and when they're not dead they limit how strong our cds can be as there is an aftereffect. ofc 2h spec but that has been mentioned, and armored to the teeth being 2 points makes it almost required. it being required is currently not a problem since arms torment talents are so dogshit, but that doesn't change how dogshit having something so strong be a 2 pointer that far down.

[manic stirrup]

that whole series was unbelievably close

[astral talon]

skip after 2nd boss maybe?

looked like it gained perplexed some time

other than that, holy ahead

[shadow ibex]

Fact we have both armored and 2h spec is so dumb and it's not that we can't even afford them just 0 good things to take in the tree

So yay take all the dmg ones

[rare kite]

yeah exactly, and when we have other good things to take it would feel super shit not being able to take armored to the teeth

[shadow ibex]

Yuuuuup

[teal fossil]

Love aura buff nodes

[shadow ibex]

Meanwhile my enhance has to pick between projection

And nature swiftness

Huge choice yea thx

Or can just get everything

[shadow ibex]

If more people played this class and so more loud yelling there's no way we'd have DF and TWW both with fake choice talent tree

Yea just don't take avatar

No matter what every spec is hard pathing to it. Sure is nice having back old talent trees

[thorn spoke]

Heya, got a question about macros. Are there any macros that are very useful as arms? Especially in m+

[naive sage]

One that I find very useful is the [@cursor] with heroic leap
Many people use mouseover with execute (I don’t like mouseover much but it’s a good idea)

[rare kite]

only one i use is the stance swap macro. very nice to have

[misty bridge]

@cursor macro for Ravager

[rare kite]

oh yeah, forgot about that. that too

[thorn spoke]

Thanks all! I was wondering about avatar+trinket because they share the same cd

[rare kite]

depending on trinket that is fine, but lets say you have treacherous transmitter then suddenly you're trolling by doing that

[thorn spoke]

Nah, rn i've got mark of karandros so i think it's not that bad. Would never do it with transmitter

[vestal smelt]

I've always found it weird that avatar is basically the exact same ability as wings for paladin and they had it in the middle of their tree for ages, and now it's just free for them. But warriors it's a capstone lmfao

[teal fossil]

Well technically the free wings is not great and you need the spec wings to get the full power

But yeah avatar is very underwhelming

[vestal smelt]

Technically yes but I'll bet my ass that even just the free wings is better than not having avatar

[teal fossil]

Well if you don’t take avatar you’ll take spear+roar instead

But yeah they purposely made sure we are not allowed to do spear+roar+avatar

With 2h spec

[vestal smelt]

Yea it's a weird capstone area for sure

Push avatar into the middle of the class tree and give us some interesting option at capstone level instead. Something that is an actual choice

[naive sage]

They should break the class to the ground and rebuild it more or less

[teal fossil]

Also that’s just not true

Because specs are balanced around it

If you load the entirety of wings into the spec talent it would make no difference

Just like how fury isn’t doing more damage than arms just because they have an extra weapon

[vestal smelt]

Yea true just delete avatar and aura buff us to compensate

[teal fossil]

It just allows them to do some slightly cool things

[teal fossil]

Then you get an even flatter damage profile than df and no one liked that

[regal wharf]

arms war needs some serious loving

[thick hamlet]

catching stray nerfs from fury era is over, it's catching stray buffs from prot time now

[nova marsh]

Flat damage profiles just are...really boring

I'd rather they rework avatar into an actual cd

[quasi torrent]

avatar isn't even a good cd

Its boring and kinda fucking meaningless

[nova marsh]

Hence why I'd want them to rework it

Maybe something exe focused or maybe just make it interact with hero talents

Maybe just have it make CS and cleave spammable

In addition to the 20%

[shadow ibex]

Last time it wasn't flat was corruption exe

And that's like 98% cuz of corruption and 2% war design

[teal fossil]

Rn it’s got a bit of spikes to it with iftk

[nova marsh]

Tbh I'm still in favor of basically throwing away the entirety of current arms and starting from scratch

[naive sage]

Guys we are not getting substantial changes lately it surely means they’re cooking a rework

[nova marsh]

Dude well be lucky if we get a rework in the last titan

Even that's copium

Shaman will get 3 more reworks before warr sees one

[naive sage]

The real enemy is not shaman

[nova marsh]

It's ret

That brain dead trash is always our enemy

Actually

Just evrey other class in the game will receive significant reworks before they get to us

[teal fossil]

We got our class trees first in both df and tww

Maybe we need to get it last

[nova marsh]

Yeah fair I guess

[terse osprey]

So is warbreaker not as viable now seems like you gotta use Colossus smash for everything and it feels kinda out of place imo

[shadow ibex]

WB is fine

[terse osprey]

Oh ok

I just wanted to make sure since i prefer it more

easier to use

[nova marsh]

In keys if ur running colossus WB is probally the play tbh

Since colo has shit ST anyways may as well go all in with aoe

And slayer is dead so WB is the play anyways

[manic river]

Is Slayer totally dead for arms tho?

[ionic reef]

i think slayer is still the way to go for raid

Are arms and fury still close in dps overall?

[hazy flower]

ye

go either way

for keys

its fine

[wet cloud]

hi, im new to arms, i was studying some m+ builds, on wowhead guides, they recommend skullsplitter and not taking warbreaker, but when i look at top 20 world arms build, they don't use skull and use warbreaker, what should i follow?

[balmy kindle]

Look at the top players

At the start sks was better du to rage management but there's no issues now outside of exe phase

Sks being a rather poor gcd in keys also made people drop it

[manic river]

Oh so people are dropping sks for real?

[balmy kindle]

only for keys

[manic river]

Ah

Where do you usually put that other talent point woth colo?

[balmy kindle]

well EB is a popular choice now

along with battlelord / EP

[manic river]

👍

Do you find yourselves getting a bit starved on exe phase tho without it even in keys?

[balmy kindle]

Lol with our without it colo is rage starved due to no CT

critical thinking talent *

[patent ginkgo]

what do you swap for EB?

and battle lord*

[manic river]

We were talking about people dropping skullsplitter

[patent ginkgo]

sorry i dont read good

[manic river]

Oh I'm seeing people like Gellyfisk and Bizentein even droppin EP for battlelord lol

[teal fossil]

Ye that makes sense

[balmy kindle]

yeap the no execute build is a thing and probably optimal for dungeons like Dawnbreaker

[teal fossil]

Ep feels kinda fake for colossus anyways

Just giga jam ms and hope it crits to refund demolish faster

[finite wasp]

the biggest issue with colussus is its st its so shit that it actually kinda becomes tilting to play it

and even if u optimize ur build to more st its still a piece of shit

[regal socket]

guys

i want to xfer to a low pop server so ican camp black market AH to get naxx 40 warrior tier

any suggestions?

new plaeyr server maybe?

[latent orbit]

What is EP?

[eager sigil]

executioners precision

[latent orbit]

So ppl don't take that in dungs?

[boreal quartz]

Some do

Kinda depends on what ur trying to build for

[steep osprey]

should I take EP for a 10 key?

the shit rage gen during execute makes it shit

[boreal quartz]

Why not

Esp if slayer or shaman

[steep osprey]

shaman?

With colossus

I meant

[boreal quartz]

Se with wft EP is good

Ye

[steep osprey]

ok

well assuming there's no shaman in grp?

[boreal quartz]

Idk if u want more st u play it

If u dont u dont xd

[steep osprey]

what do you drop for it

Guess I gotta join grps with shamans

Bloodborne?

[naive sage]

Best videogame ever

[steep osprey]

[boreal quartz]

I mean u default to it

And if u dont want EP u can slot 1 bb into 1 eb and pick blord over ep

Or whatever

[slow saddle]

I mean not pressin execute feels horrible🦧

[rare kite]

pressing execute without critical thinking feels horrible as well tho

[slow saddle]

Yeye arms is doomed

Or well collosus

[rare kite]

nah, just arms in general is doomed. I have a theory, you see on the roadmap there is a felgreen color? yeah that means we get legion arms warrior back

[slow saddle]

Yeah id love that

Didnt play a lot of legion

I feel snuffed

[rare kite]

the biggest cope ever is that theory

overdosing

[slow saddle]

100%😄

What if, legion remix, they saw how awesome we felt

Thata when we get it

[steep osprey]

Is colossus good on CoT?

[boreal quartz]

both work

[steep osprey]

since there's not that much aoe

phil

[boreal quartz]

like i said both work dingus

[rare kite]

would be nice af

[steep osprey]

Didn't think you were referring to me lol

sirry

is it jugg slayer?

[naive sage]

I mean they could just pick from good talents and effects from the past instead of making something brand new

It would be way easier

I remember I wrote down a list some time ago and many effects could be a huge improvement in my opinion

[boreal quartz]

cot i usually jugg slayer but colo works too

since 2nd and 3rd boss colo is gaming too

and then last nothing matters

cuz SR

[boreal quartz]

they are doing that

EP is not new