arms

[finite wasp]

He didnt outdps healer

Wtf?

[nova marsh]

YES

HE DIDN'T OUTDPS THE HEALER

THE HEALER DID 100K MORE

at 622

[finite wasp]

then that guy must have had single digit iq warr rotation is braindead

[nova marsh]

I mean he was playing arms slayer

But slayer isn't THAT bad

[finite wasp]

Or was just a troll griefer

[nova marsh]

No

I got curious and looked at their logs

ALL GREY

[finite wasp]

What

[nova marsh]

They are 7/8 heroic will all grey parses

They aren't raiding with a guild

I....I am so confused

[finite wasp]

Wtf how does he get invited mf has to be a troll

[nova marsh]

Looked back at his parses to DF

His highest is a 34....I...I am baffled

[finite wasp]

I guess some people are just not talented at understanding rotations and cd management

[nova marsh]

Seeing mandate outdamage MS is pretty sad

[finite wasp]

He should just play slayer fury

[nova marsh]

or ret

[finite wasp]

All you have to do is press avatar then bladestorm and at least beat a fucking healer lmao

Or yeah ret thats an ez spec to learn

[trim pike]

are the blood mallet sims wrong for ovi'nax's egg?

[rustic knot]

Kinda @trim pike it's bait assuming no movement whatsoever

[trim pike]

damn...

[balmy kindle]

Bruh lol my guild has this new arms war that's doing tank levels of dmg too

Granted he's only 619 but some people just don't really know how to play their spec

[nova marsh]

Aren't you in a mythic guild?

[balmy kindle]

(ex mythic more like)Heroic now bro, I am still working to aotc at 630

Probably this or next week though, we saw P3

[fresh sierra]

that sounds awful

my guild is getting stuck on broodtwister on mythic and people wont stop making the same mistakes and im thinking about looking else where

i couldnt imagine being stuck on aotc

[balmy kindle]

Idm since it's an old guild with alot of uncles that are past their primes, but it's very funny how some are just dying and permanently floor POV

Shudder to think about mythic lol

[fresh sierra]

i feel it

my biggest problem right now is raid loggers

[balmy kindle]

Queen P1 is rough as well for those who are not prepared

[fresh sierra]

ppl who raid log shouldn't be apart of mythic rosters imo

[balmy kindle]

Yeah they exist even on my guild, but they get handouts via the weekly heroic clears

For me idm they get free gear, but it does irk me that even at week 8 there's guys who prog without enchants and gems

[spring vale]

This probably isn't a huge deal for a lot of people BUT the questline for the hidden artifact for Arms (Arcanite Bladebreaker) is up today on EU - Doomhammer.

[boreal quartz]

You can reach out and ask if they want some hints

Back when i was new and didnt even get aotc i rlly appreciated all elp

[balmy kindle]

I did actually, he's at least mid dps on queen now after I told him to use fury. Us 2 = silken tombs die

The war is not that bad tbh, I have a 623 Ret that's below him just because no enchants and shit

[boreal quartz]

Unc guild

That's ok

Kill better cause nerd screams

[balmy kindle]

Granted my guild is pretty chill and we alr hit P3 yesterday night, prolly can clear today or next week

Just ppl need to stop floor POV on P1

[wary raft]

Im going back to raiding in a unc guild on sod

could never do it on retail but its fun on sod with easy content

theyre gonna juice me in MC tomorrow full tier set and supposedly nobody needs some bis weapons for this phase

[rare kite]

whats a "unc" guild?

[wary raft]

full of old dudes

[rare kite]

oh unc as in uncles

[wary raft]

who dont take the game super serious yeah

[rare kite]

that sounds kinda entertaining for a bit. think i would get frustrated after a while

[wary raft]

I enjoy it, mostly bc retail raiding might be doomed with new job

and sod is low time commitment and still kill shit

[balmy kindle]

Even in unc guilds there's always a bunch of core players that do keys etc regularly, just not wow 24/7

[teal fossil]

the thing about unc is that, its not that they dont have time

they just dont have the same amount of available time every week

maybe 1 week saturday is good

but another week saturday isnt

so keys arent a problem, just raid

[silk spade]

boomer

hooooly

[rare kite]

hooooly

wait how old are you zhai @silk spade

[silk spade]

27

28 next month

it's so over

[rare kite]

don't worry, i'm only a few months behind you

[thick kelp]

same

[balmy rose]

So an "almost unc"

[boreal quartz]

Unc

[silk spade]

https://tenor.com/view/roaches-funne-games-megamind-meme-ironic-gif-24191984

[balmy kindle]

Hit the gym, embrace inner warrior

Become brown class irl

[wary raft]

holy shit man how was it when they first discovered fire like shit

[midnight mural]

basically dead - nobody plays games above 30 right?

[outer holly]

holy shit, you're almost an adult

[daring heron]

im 32 so it's giga over for me

[wary raft]

ayo

were dinosaurs real?

[midnight mural]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-ross-geller-david-schwimmer-tv-series-american-sitcom-gif-13406927790014142490

[silk spade]

yea..

[atomic mountain]

guys. tell me why i should not go back to classic next week and play the OG fury warry

[silk spade]

idk about you but i like bosses better when they have more than 1 mechanic

[atomic mountain]

its not about the bosses. its about the class that made far more fun XD

[silk spade]

idk how classic is fun for people but go wild bud

[balmy kindle]

Aimed shot was very dank in vanilla when you unlocked it

[boreal quartz]

Energy drinks keep you young

[thick kelp]

I looove

white monster

[balmy kindle]

31 and in best shape of my life , just gym and don't drink 🍻 outside of work

[quaint otter]

Only drink during work?

[icy mulch]

Son of a bitch. I'm gonna be considered a fucking Dinosaur than.

I'm north of 40, but not 50 yet.

[balmy kindle]

When you work in Asian company drinking is not avoidable

Doubly so when it's Japanese

[icy mulch]

Oof, I don't drink alcohol at all any more. Thankfully my current occupation doesn't force me to drink, even when they have events that allow it.

[slow saddle]

38 ..

[icy mulch]

Which usually means I'm a DD most of the time.

[slow saddle]

i feel like theres a misconception here

[icy mulch]

Fuck you kid, I'm over 40. Still going strong.

[slow saddle]

men dont grow up

we grow old

thats it

[icy mulch]

Ha jokes on you, I'm not a man.

[slow saddle]

ill play video games with my crippled ass fingers when im 80

well machine guns dont grow old

they just need to be oiled once in a while

^^

[icy mulch]

I can picture myself in a retirement home, VR setup, and crippling WoW addiction.

I just hope I can still play well at 80.

[slow saddle]

i mean

ill prob go more into slower games

hopefully the turn-based genre wont be killed

imagine having all the time in the world

to play

Civ

Bg3

total war

[icy mulch]

BG3 is an amazing game.

[slow saddle]

fuck me Heroes of might and magic 3-4-5-6 😄

hopefully there at least will be a 7-8-9 once i hit 80

a man can dream

^_^

[icy mulch]

Rogue Trader I'm told is pretty amazing as well.

[slow saddle]

i LOVED dragon age

but the new veilguard is hard pass

[icy mulch]

I will say the animation and graphics look good, the content of the story and game play on the other hand......

[slow saddle]

i will say the animation

its kindda like when they made d3

d1 and d2 were pretty grim games

d3 wasnt

veilguard dies coz its cartoony when its supposed to be hardcore dark fantasy

oh yeah and the god awfull writing as well 😄

[icy mulch]

That's fair.

[slow saddle]

like Da origins was rough man, starts with whole family dieng if u human, by a raid, every1 slaugthered.

[icy mulch]

D2 was the goat of the Diablo series. Didn't look the cleanest but it's game play was unrivaled.

[slow saddle]

100%

simple

great

horridly tuned

have u tested all the d2 mods out there

[icy mulch]

No, never played it with any mods.

[slow saddle]

to bad really

there was some truly insane ones 😄

[icy mulch]

I loved playing the corpse explosion Assassin.

Pair of Bartucs, gg

[slow saddle]

ye

i was truly Bowazon

stopped in the later d2 patches when it was all enigma and hammerdins 😄

[icy mulch]

Bowazon was when you didn't want to really play the game.

[slow saddle]

bowazon-javazon Nova sorc

tbh all sorcs at 95-99

i did use a seperate account, and have a bot sorc haha 😄

not proud but damn the loot for her running 9 hours straight

[icy mulch]

I had a javazon. Lol, titans jav, launch a few and go wander around for the loot.

[slow saddle]

hehe ye

was good times

with skill charms and the lot

tbf i did spend a HUGE amount of time playing d3

[icy mulch]

I picked it up when the Death DLC came out.

And the crusader.

[slow saddle]

yeah

i played mainly

1st season

the newer parts had to much endgame content for my taste

it wasnt bad at all btw

[icy mulch]

3 turned me off so bad I had no interest in 4

[slow saddle]

never touched 4

same

or well d4 just never hit that spot i guess

didnt like the chars they chose

I wanted a paladin

and i dislike the whole rouge, i wanted a more pure range char

i went mainly Amazon-Demon hunter or wtf it was called in d

3

[slow saddle]

BUFF ms 20% nerf Martial prowess !

[thick kelp]

delete mp

[steep osprey]

increase execute rage gen

make critical thinking baseline

thanks

[thick kelp]

Bake CT into imp exe or Fin B

[icy mulch]

There are a lot of things I'd change with arms if I was in charge of it.

First thing though would be QoL things.

[steep osprey]

Or make Improved Execute Baseline

Refund portion of CT in place of it

and CT gets a new passive after crit

https://tenor.com/view/kramer-seinfeld-mind-blown-gif-12898404

[cloud gyro]

just increase duration of colatteral damage + colossal might to 1 min

[thick kelp]

I am very positive that this is not a change they r willing to make ngl

[steep osprey]

Maybe but it's the best change imo

[thick kelp]

Might be

[steep osprey]

Rage gen in execute should be better than normal rage gen

don't @ me

[cloud gyro]

it is

[steep osprey]

you know it

[cloud gyro]

you have 20% haste instead of 10%

[steep osprey]

i know it, everyone knows it

[thick kelp]

but we live in a world where we have to create improvemnts with the current talent tree and what we have. Not just saying to make things baseline etc

[steep osprey]

Maybe when you take all of those talents but it should absolutely not be horrendous iwth m+ build

and that's why it should be a baseline part of the spec

becuase if you don't take CT, you're rip bozo'd

in execute

[thick kelp]

Yes

[steep osprey]

and that's why execute sucks donkey

in m+

[thick kelp]

I agree that it should be baseline

[icy mulch]

Massacre would not be an execute range increase, but a rage increase as well as a damage Amp when over double execute cost.

[steep osprey]

and colossus shit damage on st

is due to the lack of executes

[thick kelp]

More like due to the lack of mortal strikes raw power

If we had the 20% MS strength we lost in prepatch

there wouldnt be complaints

: D

[steep osprey]

improving execute rage gen will improve MS by picking up and making use of EP even more so

[icy mulch]

CS needs to be reworked back to Cata or Legion levels of power. It's just meh now.

[steep osprey]

CS is definitely not meh

[cloud gyro]

i just want our buffs to have longer duration

[steep osprey]

it's literally a 30% damage increase on a short cd

[cloud gyro]

dropping colossal might stacks feels so bad

[steep osprey]

have you seen xan's fury talent cook

I dont think any spec feels as bad as arms does in M+ spec execute

it doesn't make any sense

nothing shuld feel that bad to press

and yet they're ok with it

making rage gen something locked behind a t3 talent choice

fucking dumb

[thick kelp]

Yes

[steep osprey]

what do you think of mkaing one for arms

[thick kelp]

Possibility

[cloud gyro]

EB -> 15% chance + 50% rage cost reduction

Battlelord -> same + increases mortal strike damage by 20%

[steep osprey]

I have an idea

EP also reduces the rage cost of MS

25% per stack

[cloud gyro]

thats what ijust said

[steep osprey]

50%

[cloud gyro]

oh

[steep osprey]

you said EB

I'm talking about EP

[cloud gyro]

idk you kinda wanna spend rage aswell in ST talents

so thats gonna feel bad

[slow saddle]

well it could be fixxed by just moving Critical thinking to a better spot

remove juggernaut

buff execute

make SD a good proc that makes me smile

or well replace juggernaut with season 3 4p. i want my executes to slam some aoe

that would mean that every SD proc would be 100% dopamine click in keys

and in raid as well

[empty sluice]

And fix torments

[slow saddle]

i mean

remove 2handed spec thing

and u prob pick torment again

[empty sluice]

I dont want to

[slow saddle]

theres no reason for a talent that gives 6% dmg there.

[empty sluice]

They are so bad

[slow saddle]

i mean the aoe one

isnt bad

idea is fine

its more that we have way to good talent around it imho

that 1 i would like in dungeons 100%

but the Torment is just .. i mean come1

they could revert it to worth with CS

and only give 25% more rage

and it would not be totally op

[balmy kindle]

surely next patch

[slow saddle]

WTF

my faction change to dracthyr just failed

[steep osprey]

gg

[slow saddle]

how can that happen ?

[steep osprey]

no clue

[slow saddle]

a m g

now its crying bout community

can this game plz just faction change me

now i gotta manually leave all those

jesus 😛

[thick kelp]

Warlords should just give crit dam and nothing else and add it back to CS

[slow saddle]

hmm crit dmg ye not crit chance?

[thick kelp]

Thats what I wrote yes

[slow saddle]

id love anything that makes it work with CS tbh

[hushed pine]

First keys of the season (+2 SV, +2 GB) with Colossus and damn, Demolish feels so satisfying to use in huge packs

[slow saddle]

always nice when it crits 😄

[hushed pine]

4 million crits

HUUUUUGE

[cloud gyro]

wait till u hit the 15 mil cleave

i recommend pressing die by the sword first

[atomic mountain]

yes so nice that 50% of all tanks are still running when you start casting

[slow saddle]

UNLESS u wanna die by the sword

😉

[hushed pine]

I had to press DBTS because Bear tank lost aggro twice LOL

That's how hard Demolish was hitting

[hushed pine]

Gonna faction change and gank the shit outta them, watch

[neon niche]

no u wont

[hushed pine]

It's in the warrior rotation, gotta stick to it man

[scarlet field]

Does anyone have a good week Aura or nameplate add-on to help track rend in big Target situations? I think I am often using clap in my opener, but then rend is dropping off one or multiples in a large pack, or new mobs get brought in and they walk around without a end on them. Could this be a massive damage loss for me?

I'm using one of the top weak Aura packs and also seem to find in single Target sometimes the week. Aura doesn't track my rend for whatever reason. Has anyone else had that issue? I think I am using the luxthos

[neon niche]

https://wago.io/h_7mCfICi
I am at the office atm so I cant log in to check so I'm not 100% sure if it is this one exactly but if it is not it is a similar name 'rend reminder'

[scarlet field]

Thank you very much!

[light girder]

Unholy main looking to dabble in arms alt . Are y’all p much happy with state of arms rn?

[thick kelp]

no

[slow saddle]

No

Arms is pretty baf

[hushed pine]

It's decent but a rework would be better

[nova marsh]

Don't

Wait till rework

Play anything else. Arms is a surefire way to get depressed

[hushed pine]

Wait til they make Slam and Execute worth pressing

[thick kelp]

🤨

[hushed pine]

Outside of Slayer, Execute doesn't do much damage lol

[livid cloak]

What

[hushed pine]

Until you have full Jugg stacks

[thick kelp]

werent u saying 2 hours ago how you just played your first arms

hings

[hushed pine]

My first keys of the season, yes

Not my first time playing as Arms, what

[thick kelp]

sounds like it if you are in +2's

[quasi torrent]

we hate arms

we hate arms

we hate arms

[thick kelp]

anda

quiet

[quasi torrent]

hmmm no

[thick kelp]

hurt my feeling

[hushed pine]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-point-kronk-gif-13896471

[astral talon]

Anda only training legs

smh

[latent siren]

S3 4p not becoming a talent is criminal

[swift crown]

Beine Krieger

[quasi torrent]

i dont train anything

beine krieger is op

[slow saddle]

100% made sd feel impactfull

Imagine that talent + arms as thane instead of slayer

[astral talon]

Weak

[spring vale]

If you use action targetting without clicking/tab targetting a lot of weakauras fail to track dots on the target. I think it has to do with the fact that action targetting does some sort of soft targetting and won't "commit" you to a specific enemy until you manually click or tab to it.

At least this has been my experience with dots being tracked or not with Luxthos' weakauras.

[cloud gyro]

Yep its fun

[sacred zodiac]

[hushed pine]

Surely we'll get something in 11.1

[sacred zodiac]

enough coping

[hushed pine]

[quasi torrent]

i think best course would be to kaboom arms

and just make one good spec if they cant come up with a second reasonable one

👍

[halcyon valve]

Delete fury, that way we cant catch strays anymore

[sacred zodiac]

@swift crown @quasi torrent

[quasi torrent]

kabumm

[swift crown]

He flyin

[halcyon breach]

https://i.gyazo.com/a59f455706d9734780fb98b4fe56f3b4.gif

[sacred zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294680138042183711/1306014550822490182/hertype.gif

[thick kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/254170190621835264/1113105101675036732/dratnos.gif

[hushed pine]

Tfw you use Bladestorm as Colossus

[quasi torrent]

kabumm

[silent flame]

Hey I wanna see what people prefer:
slayer or collosus

[gaunt matrix]

M+ = Collosus

[silent flame]

Fair I’ve mainly played slayer so far. Could try collosus soon

[halcyon valve]

Colossus my beloved

[silent flame]

Yuh
Could try it sometime then

[halcyon valve]

You have to

[steel sluice]

Slayer because spiiiiinnnnn

[silent flame]

Tbh
I feel like I’d suck at using the MS and Cleave procs
Ik a WA would help but o haven’t found one I like yet

[halcyon valve]

Just press buttons

[tranquil sundial]

i have a myth sacbrood and hc mamdate n transmitter, what should I use for court prog?

[silent flame]

:(

[silent flame]

Sim

[silent flame]

Also the rotation is different right
Not by much but like, a tiny bit different with it right

[tranquil sundial]

if i sim ill always use sacbrood transmitter, asking specifically for that fight cos the dps amp

[silent flame]

Ye couldn’t you do like

2 patch tho?

Or am I being dumb

[shadow ibex]

A man can dream

[silent flame]

Also this
Reap the storm my beloved

[spring vale]

a sweeping strikes 10-stack demolish just hits different

[silent flame]

Fair

Now I wanna try it but I feel like like I’ll do shit

[torn dirge]

SS > CS > 10 stack Demo > Profit

[hushed pine]

Slayer for a more passive/faster gameplay, Colossus for BIG DAAAM

[livid cloak]

I was simming last night. Slayer i sim 110k more st. Colossus in 5t 5m i sim 480k more

Its just wild the swing either way

[hushed pine]

It's up to personal preference I reckon

[halcyon valve]

Slayer single target because slayer strikes do so much on their own already
Colossus 5t because infinite cleave stonks

[hushed pine]

I'm realizing just now that Slayer's Strike is just Opportunity Strikes dialed to 11 lol

[dawn stag]

crazy ass link in bio

[slow saddle]

PLZ do Buff

MS

[summer quartz]

I wanna see my MS do like 4mil damage minimum!

[slow saddle]

nah man

i just want martial prowess gone

and normal MS to slap

i want EB to be a good play

not just quality of life

[gaunt owl]

make MS great again

fun fact is Martial Prowess is a buff that is always there

so why have a buff thats omni present

you will rarely send an unbuffed MS

[slow saddle]

exactly

but if it wasnt there

u could use EB

[silent flame]

Not maiming a spec and then seeing all these things I don’t know is funny
like I’m trying to remember what’s EB and martial prowess

[slow saddle]

Enduring blow

Martial prowess is the buff to MS from using OP first

[silent flame]

Ah ok ok

Yea I play arms a bit as an alt so my brain is confused

[slow saddle]

so if ms just did more dmg, and martial prowess was either gone or way smaller

it would make ya avg MS higher which id prefer

we have enough modifiers in CS + avatar + ep imho

doesnt need MP as well

instead we have mp. EP CS avatar transmitter AND 4p before we MS

^_^

[shadow ibex]

They need MP

[spring vale]

Imagine a world where we have enough talent points in the bottom of the tree to take the MS reset talent and have it not be a loss

[shadow ibex]

So they can pretend arms has a fantasy

[dim basalt]

Not like it would feel good with MS that hit like a wet noodle

[shadow ibex]

That's why it's not going anywhere

So some dev can say look it has a class fantasy

It doesn't just press whatever is avaliable

[spring vale]

😔

[dim basalt]

Make Demolish baseline for arms without channel

[spring vale]

call me crazy but what if the MS reset talent just gave you 2 MP stacks on top so you can just send it

maybe then it would be worth picking, at least for the MS-centric hero talent

[nova marsh]

Specifically eb?

Cuz part of why Blord is just better is cuz evrey reset is sent with MB

[hushed pine]

Or or, better yet, Mortal Combo SL conduit

https://tenor.com/view/amirite-hadesdisney-hades-gif-5584633

[nova marsh]

Why

EB is just a better version

[hushed pine]

Think of the possibilities. It'd proc more often with SS and it'd chain off of itself

Same with Unhinged

[spring vale]

EB as in the shadowlands thing that let ms apply colossus smash?

I never got to play around with that, wasn't subbed at the time

[hushed pine]

Exhilarating Blows

Not Enduring Blow

[spring vale]

Oh if so, I was talking about Battlelord when I mentioned the MS reset talent

Overpowering resetting MS which then resets overpower because of tactician could be a very nice dopamine hit when you get resets back to back to back

[shadow ibex]

First sentence in arms beta post for hero specs was them saying they are very happy with arms fantasy

Still waiting for them to say what that is

Other than stacking modifiers

[spring vale]

Also I don't mind the bleed-centric talents (i know some people don't really think of arms as the "dot spec") but why are the bleed talents in the same part of the tree as all the reset/ms/overpower talents

[hushed pine]

Eh, I'd rather live with bleeds being baked into the spec itself rather than having to talent for it

And have Mortal Strike hit hard. No modifiers needed.

[gaunt owl]

Exhilirating Blow now

Enduring was the chance on MS hit to apply CS

[marble steppe]

anyone knows the anme of the aggro thing augmentation has?

[frigid cipher]

https://imgur.com/sOnbnua

📈

[steep osprey]

Wait a second

oh, Shadowlands

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

is that SoD

looks like Sanctum raid

[frigid cipher]

Yea

It was guardian

[steep osprey]

I see

I got CE in that raid so I remember it the most lol

my only ce

[frigid cipher]

[steep osprey]

I got ce then kinda realized i didn't wanna do mythic raiding

so i stopped for a while

[frigid cipher]

Was the tier I quit playing

[hushed pine]

This made me feel something

[frigid cipher]

Very bad time

[spring vale]

the crack that it would be to have enduring blows + in for the kill

[steep osprey]

I enjoyed the tier but I reckon guild was the reason

[hushed pine]

Didn't work that way sadly

[spring vale]

😔

[hushed pine]

Just chance of CS on MS hit and that's it

[shadow ibex]

I quit sl after we got ce Sylv

Gamba spec

[steep osprey]

I enjoyed arms in SOD tbh

[hushed pine]

But Mortal Combo conduit could proc it as the gif suggests

[naive sage]

Great legendary that one imo

[shadow ibex]

Meh

It was ToM but rng

Trade one perma damage Amp for another

Instead of having CS or Tom up we just always had CS

[high field]

Bring back test of might

[hushed pine]

Would rather have a constant/consistent dmg % increase than a random dmg % increase

[runic tundra]

colossus

is so fun wtf

[elfin violet]

yeah it fucking is, let furies sweat and pay the doctor for carpal tunnel while we demolish it

[dim basalt]

Man

Princess prog is wild

[robust coyote]

What is the defacto Arms guide?

[eager sigil]

#dps-faq

[robust coyote]

ah yes, 3 different guides. exactly what I wanted

[eager sigil]

pick one

they should all be up to date

[zenith warren]

if there are 2 melee dps in a pair on kyveza (for intermission), does one dps stay out if both get lines?

[eager sigil]

you try not to stack melees

if you have to use like paladins

they can attack from like 20 yards if they have to

[zenith warren]

i think we are melee heavy

[eager sigil]

yea just try not to kill each other

boss dies if people dont die

[dapper juniper]

i feal

my Unhinged dosent work

every ms has animation in blade storm? or some times dosent show?

[sweet cargo]

Random question, but I mostly run low keys on my steam Deck. Like 6s and 7s no issue. I’ve been gearing my Arms Warrior alt (about 610) and I’m trying to come up with some good macros to combine some stuff to reduce keybind bloat, if you have any ideas.

One that I did was combine charge and slam, so I use charge from ranged and slam in melee

[spring vale]

There's an addon called GSE that can let you do some silly stuff depending on conditionals. I don't use it for Warrior but on my Worgen DK, I combined in the same key Death's Advance, Wraith Walk and Darkflight. And the way it works with the addon is that it will try to use the first, if its on cd, it will go to the next, etc.

One case that I can think of is combining Slam and Execute, where Execute always takes priority (if you can Execute, why would you ever slam)

[sweet cargo]

That’s a great idea about the slam and execute, afaik slam is just filler and used to trigger resets right?

[sick gazelle]

is that legal??

this used to be explicitly not allowed

[spring vale]

the addon has been around for a bit so I assume it is

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/gse-gnome-sequencer-enhanced-advanced-macros

[sweet cargo]

Yes, it’s used by a lot of people. Some people put their whole rotation in it which is not exactly ideal lol

[sick gazelle]

this is basically cheating in my eyes lol

[spring vale]

Yep, you would only press slam if you are at risk of overcapping rage and can't execute at the time.

[spring vale]

If you bother with it, you can even simplify stuff like enh to a couple buttons if you set the conditionals right 😅

[sick gazelle]

at that point you arent even playing the game anymore

ur just a piece of meat pressing buttons

[spring vale]

I don't bother with it to that extent but each person has their own particular point where they draw the line :p

[sick gazelle]

i think pressing slam vs execute is actually not an easy thing to do

you dont have a big window (1gcd) to identify execute procs before u commit to slam

it just takes that entire aspect of the game out

this would be literally considered cheating in most other games

[naive sage]

Shhh the hekili guys will come and get you

[sick gazelle]

and weak aura guys

[nova marsh]

Well add-ons are quite literally considered cheats outright in most games

I think mmos and single player games are the only types that don't expressly ban them across the genre

Hell some games like warframe reserve the right to ban you for using mouse software

[sick gazelle]

wow is the only game where people try to optimize not playing as much as they can

[nova marsh]

This applies to more then just rotations and mechanics tbh

[spring vale]

Like I said, I only really use this on my Worgen DK to trim down 3 different mobility buttons to just 1.

As long as Blizz doesn't draw a hard line and outright forbids this explicitly by contacting the creator or implicitly by changing the game so that what the addon does isn't possible, then it's up to every individual how much they want to lean into addons.

For some people, stuff like DBM is outright cheating and instead use BigWigs.

This distinction is up to every player to decide.

[zenith warren]

possible to deflect multiple lines on kyveza?

[nova marsh]

Wtf is even the difference between dbm and big wigs

[sick gazelle]

idk i dont use either

[spring vale]

dbm might say outright what to do (spread, cc, interrupt) whereas bigwigs tends to call what the mechanic is (aoe, insert mechanic name)

[naive sage]

Don’t quote me on that but I think dbm explicitly tells you what to do while bw is just a notification system

[nova marsh]

I mean add-ons will always be called out as outright cheating by a large amount of people

Regardless of what they do

It's the duality of their existence

[naive sage]

Well think about details

[spring vale]

I tend to not judge how much or how little people wanna use addons. If you don't want to use them, then that's great, but if you feel like you need them, absolutely please use them haha

[naive sage]

I don’t think it’s a cheat to effectively know how good or bad you’re performing

[sick gazelle]

theres some information that is impossible to know without the help of addons tbh

thats where it gets fuzzy

[naive sage]

And a lot of people play just for the bar with their name on it

[sick gazelle]

like your buff bar will display your buffs in basically random order

you have like 50 different buffs rotating on you now

and addons make that info easier to parse

[nova marsh]

And removing add-ons makes classes a fucking mess

[sick gazelle]

the game is designed with them in mind now

[nova marsh]

And would probally require a full combat rework

Which....wow isn't 14

Wows classes are not in that dire a state

[naive sage]

It is part of your skill to process and make use of information which by itself it’s just spam

[sick gazelle]

yeah thats the arguement against it

but you can also argue that its a poorly designed aspect of the game that is fixed by addons

[mild nymph]

iirc they call details cheating too

[sick gazelle]

ffxiv?

[mild nymph]

no, people who dont like addons

they have a purity kink

[sick gazelle]

im anti addon tbh but i use details, autorepair/grey, and have my buffs sorted by weak auras

[nova marsh]

Tbh I like add-ons

[mild nymph]

being anti addon is silly

[nova marsh]

Because it let's us have shit wow will NEVER replace

[mild nymph]

when the game is designed around it at this point

[sick gazelle]

having addons tell u how to play the game is lame. the game is a lot more engaging when you have to keep track of everything mentally

you dont need DBM to do mythic+ or raid

[nova marsh]

And that's your opinion

Also

[mild nymph]

i love keeping track of timers internally and counting to 45

[nova marsh]

A lot of the playerbase thinks add-ons are required to play

[sick gazelle]

this but unironically

[nova marsh]

Changing that isn't gonna happen any time soon

[sick gazelle]

not the counting to 45 part though

[naive sage]

Well wow hasn’t always been perfectly designed I think we can all agree on that

[nova marsh]

No game is perfect

[naive sage]

Wow sucks, delete

[nova marsh]

In fact, literally nothing is perfect and pretending otherwise is coping

[sick gazelle]

you do have to settle on something though

you will chase perfection forever

games like warcraft 2 or age of empires 2 are practically perfect

[nova marsh]

But honestly I think wow is just a more enjoyable game with add-ons. Imagine if we didn't have the ability to change the ui pre df

Imagine how fucked that'd be

[spring vale]

If it's any consolation, there have been addons that eventually got the no-no from Blizzard. There used to be an addon that would give you a nice little list of each enemy that you were currently in combat with (think of the enmity list from FFXIV) which made multi dotting classes wayyyyyy less involved.

For things like moonkin instead of playing nameplate/tab target whack-a-mole, you would just go down the neat little list and dot each target and move on.

[sick gazelle]

instead you have to parse the jumbled mess of nameplates stacking on top of eachother and moving around

[nova marsh]

I think blizz just needs an actual set of rules

[nova marsh]

Welcome to playing a tab target system

[sweet cargo]

let me introduce you to osrs and the magic of auto clicking 99 magic lol

that game will give you wrist problems if you play it long enough lol

[halcyon valve]

True
In an ideal world we would never run into situations like the echo of neltharion map weakaura shit, but thats just where we are rn

[naive sage]

Damn I would give anything to go back to those times when I played rs

[cerulean dock]

Hey boys

Im a big arms fan not really a huge fan of fury

are you guys getting harassed by people to swap fury for raid / m+ or are they close enough?

[nova marsh]

...Dude

if people are asking u to swap, ur in with the wrong crowd ngl

[halcyon valve]

No

If people ask you to swap to fury, youre not spreading the gospel hard enough

[cerulean dock]

I havent even started playing again

Im just low on time and dont want to spend ages waiting in m+ because people want fury yknow?

[valid flame]

If people ask you to go fury, those are the wrong people

[cerulean dock]

sure im not here to argue

its just a fact of wow unfortunately that everyone wants to bring the meta

the further you stray the more time you spend in que

so Im just asking if you guys are running into any issues with randoms

[valid flame]

Personally no, but I don’t raid mythic or do high keys

[nova marsh]

what keys are you doing?

Also yes I am that's why I rerolled, but randos are randos

this season is really bad for pugging in my experience

[cerulean dock]

I havent even begun but historically I do quite high keys

[nova marsh]

tbh this season is the most misses I've had in a very long time

[cerulean dock]

gotcha

you guys think im good to just go arms and have fun then?

[nova marsh]

Yes but tbh

If you are pugging I cannot stress enough how much I reccomend just making some friends

Please save yourself

[cerulean dock]

yeah I hear ya

thats usually the move I just have a crazy schedule

[nova marsh]

Same dude

It's why I can't raid this tier and why finding a new guild is gonna be borderline impossible

[halcyon valve]

I havent specced fury a single time in over a year
And im doing just fine

[spring vale]

if a raid kill/timing a key comes down to your individual performance as arms vs what you could have done as fury, so much other shit went wrong that switching probably wouldn't have made a difference anyway

[nova marsh]

And if people are preassuring you into that

In the 1% chance it actually matters

They are crazy

[halcyon valve]

Just talk them into thinking arms is better

Trust me

[nova marsh]

Arms's trash status is well renown though

[halcyon valve]

Half of what i did in guild chat the last 2 years was spread pro arms propaganda

# 1 spec

[nova marsh]

why would you do that

[halcyon valve]

Because its my coping mechanism

[nova marsh]

based

[halcyon valve]

Fake it till u make it as they say

[quaint otter]

[nova marsh]

My coping mechanism is just rerolling

[halcyon valve]

I would never

[nova marsh]

and fake being good at anything else

and by fake I mean be absoutle trash dogwater tier to the point where I absoutlely deserve evrey pug failure and waste of time I've gone through

[halcyon valve]

If there would be a million arms fans i would be one of them
If there were 100 arms fans, i would be one of them
If there were no arms fans left, im dead
As long as i live, i will stand by arms

[nova marsh]

see I used to say that about warr in general

But I've given up just as blizzard has

[spring vale]

surely arms rework in 11.1

[halcyon valve]

Fuck fury
Fuck prot
Only arms

Its insane

[quaint otter]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[nova marsh]

wow yall are still coping for a rework this xpack?

[halcyon valve]

Arms is by far my favourite spec in the entire game

And i am absolutely miserable playing fury or prot

I cant stand them both

[spring vale]

hold strong

idm prot

[nova marsh]

700 declines

I have given up

[spring vale]

they totally missed the opportunity to let colossus prot use a 2-hander with a shield

it was right there

[halcyon valve]

No need for a shield tbh

[arctic iris]

It's kind of wild that arms gets 50% uptime on a cleave that hits one extra target for 80% damage, well fury gets 100% uptime on a cleave that hits four extra targets for 50%

[halcyon valve]

Just increase the size talent to 10% and were gucci

[arctic iris]

And we still have no baseline way to apply our mastery in an AOE, every single ability that does it is a talent

Aside from SS which only hits one additional enemy

[halcyon valve]

So? Talent into it

[nova marsh]

I mean

In what aoe setting are we NOT running cleave?

None

[halcyon valve]

Fury also has to talent into whirlwind cleave

[nova marsh]

The only place where we aren't is maybe a 3 targ fight

2 targ is completely covered by SS

[arctic iris]

We are running it right now, but in past seasons we haven't, and it sometimes leads to uncomfortable situations where the only good options to apply it in an AOE are longer cooldowns

[nova marsh]

Yes I mean now

In TWW

In DF i'd agree with you cuz cleave was trash

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/squat-exercise-gym-work-out-gif-15370322

Fury warriors training to be arms

[shadow ibex]

i mean form is good

bar doesnt move forward

[arctic iris]

In my opinion, the mastery itself is a design issue. Most specs don't have the problem where their mastery sometimes doesn't work on AOE

The fact that it's okay right now doesn't mean that it will always be okay, because they can always fuck up the tuning

[fossil thistle]

Form = being warrior

Always good

[arctic iris]

It's also not like it's a fun mastery where we would feel bad if they changed it

[nova marsh]

Fair point

Our mastery is trash either way

[fossil thistle]

Would you prefer burst window?

Mastery : Increases the damage bonus of Colossus snags by X%.

Deep wounds does x damage over 30s

Mastery would increase CS % window and DW damage?

[nova marsh]

Tbh just untie mast from DW

[arctic iris]

I don't really care what they do, but I think that the idea that masteries have to be interesting is something that has pretty much universally failed. There's a reason that almost all of them are turbo boring and instead focus on being a passive damage boost

I could not tell you what half the masteries for specs I've played even do

[nova marsh]

that was an idea blizz actually had?

[arctic iris]

That was the original selling point when they added it in cataclysm

[fossil thistle]

If they remove hero classes, I would like for them to change our mastery to being random bladestorm procs, with % increase as mastery goes up

[nova marsh]

As in like reap

[fossil thistle]

Sword spec proc, basically

[nova marsh]

Or we actually go into bs

[fossil thistle]

Yes, exactly lol

[halcyon valve]

Theyre gonna add a 3rd option for the entire class before they remove them again lol

[nova marsh]

Oh okay

[fossil thistle]

OR mastery increases our size by %. No other benefit

[nova marsh]

our mast being "randomly loose controll of your character" would be awful

[halcyon valve]

Hell yeah

[shadow ibex]

only mast change possibly in the cards is decoupling it from deep wounds and just becoming a flat physical dmg increase but i dont see that happening as long as TR and bloodborne exist

as long as they think bleeds are cool DW isnt changing at all

[arctic iris]

Basically, the pitch was that there was this stat that would do a cool thing that was different for every single spec

These days, they're almost all super passive things that you don't pay attention to because it was impossible to come up with that many stats that were fun and unique and balanced

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/adil-rule22-gif-24323980

Bro he awoke AF he prob has 40% mastery

[halcyon valve]

Imagine mastery increases rage generation, rage cost, and spender damage

[arctic iris]

And if it was fun but undertuned, then it felt like shit because you didn't want to stack the stat that was fun to stack

[fossil thistle]

Rage cost would be insanely toxic value. It’d feel bad to equip mastery gear

[shadow ibex]

deep wounds isnt goin anywhere as long as sks tr and BB exist

[halcyon valve]

Yeah but generation increases the same amount
So its net 0
But bigger number tho

[arctic iris]

IMO, mastery should not affect the feel of your rotation because then your spec can randomly feel good or bad based on tuning.

If your spec is fun with high mastery but boring with low mastery, yet mastery is a weak stat, then your spec is just boring

[nova marsh]

DO NOT tie rage cost to any stat

That is a fucking awful idea lol

[halcyon valve]

Haste

[arctic iris]

Mastery is a failed experiment but they can't remove it, so it just has to be a boring stat

[shadow ibex]

i mean if u wanna be 10000% honest expecting any major facelift when hero specs exist is a pipe dream

[fossil thistle]

Because requiring 73 rage to slam would be terrible to play.

The class would be 2x slower

[nova marsh]

haste does not alter the actual cost of a spender

tbh at the end of the day

[arctic iris]

Rsham is basically the only spec in the game that has an interesting mastery, and even that is a case of a stat that is interesting on a gameplay level and would still be interesting if it didn't scale with gear

[fossil thistle]

How bout mastery increases our arm size (increased auto attack range)

[halcyon valve]

Yeah but again
If both generation and cost increase the same amount, theres no difference
Whether you generate 20 and spend 30
Or generate 30 and spend 45
Same shit, just bigger

[fossil thistle]

Would feel bad.

I don’t think you’re getting that

[nova marsh]

That just brings tom back

[fossil thistle]

Did you play warrior when rage was tied to damage?

[halcyon valve]

Remove tom simple

[nova marsh]

or it makes AM even more broken

Also if it dosen't scale properly

Or if haste allows us to spend more then we gain from mast

It's just gonnna actively feel like garbage

[spring vale]

as long as its proportional, increasing rage generation + costs could be something that feels good, after all overpower's reset is based on rage spent 👀

[nova marsh]

It'd be a ridicious balancing act

[halcyon valve]

Alternatively

Mastery increases crit dmg %

Hmmm?

[nova marsh]

....broken

please no

[fossil thistle]

The single greatest thing that ever did was standardize rage generation

[arctic iris]

Ah, the good old days of the feedback loop

I remember Cata being especially bad

Critting gives you several seconds of increased attack speed, which gives you more rage.

More rage lets you cast heroic strike more often.

Casting HS more often means you crit more. Which starts the feedback loop.

[fossil thistle]

Y’all don’t know how bad it was to auto attack 3 times to press mortal strike once

[halcyon valve]

I dont want to know

[arctic iris]

Then we got shocked pikachu blizzard in Firelands and DS when fury/arms were doing a gorillion damage

[fossil thistle]

Then never change rage generation based off a mastery or damage 😄

[fossil thistle]

Fury was still kinda L during firelands, if I remember, they didn’t pop off until DS

[arctic iris]

Fury was very strong in Firelands

[fossil thistle]

Then again, my raid team had like 7 fire mages and 2 warriors lol

[halcyon valve]

Making mastery like rogue mastery where it only increases spender dmg would be lame

[shadow ibex]

fury hasnt been good since mop

ppl dont know about how weird shit got with how much crit we had

fury as able to push regular white auto attacks off the combat table

[arctic iris]

Well, it was strong for ST DPS

The problem was that Firelands had exactly one hard fight, H Rag, and you wanted good burst ranged AoE for the seeds

[shadow ibex]

you could reach a point where every auto attack was a miss, a crit or a glancing blow

[halcyon valve]

How about mastery increases the visual size of our weapon

[shadow ibex]

that was the best jank shit in wow ever

[halcyon valve]

We need bigger sticks

[arctic iris]

I was top boss dps on rag but we wiped to seeds like three hundred times

And I couldn't do shit to help

[shadow ibex]

i hope they keep that same exact formula in mop classic

[halcyon valve]

Mastery applies a sexy filter to your characters face
The more mastery the sexier you are
As you should be as arms warrior

[arctic iris]

The whole point of this discussion is to talk about changes, not to go over how it already works

[halcyon valve]

Lol

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-asmongold-gif-12319219664540213454

0% mastery face

[halcyon valve]

Cockroach guy!

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

100% mastery

[halcyon valve]

Amen

[fossil thistle]

Literally go from skinny kul titan to Swoleapoptimus prime

[hushed pine]

Even at a low level, Ara-Kara is not fun

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-thousand-yard-stare-cat-soldier-cat-war-scared-gif-12439246475771371280

[daring heron]

huh

isnt ara often considered the best dungeon of the season

[teal fossil]

Yeah

I don think he’s experienced the other garbage this season threw at us

[daring heron]

suppose the dungeon pool is below average in terms of fun dungeons but still

[teal fossil]

Mists still good

[daring heron]

mists is pretty decent

1st boss i still think is bad in high keys but eh

overall i still like the dungeon

[quasi torrent]

i still think maze has no place

in the game

[daring heron]

yea maze gimmick sucks

still idk i like the dungeon

[shadow ibex]

I like siege until final boss slam + debuff tick kills a shaman or hunter everytime

[daring heron]

debuff initial damage has no right to hit that hard

[shadow ibex]

Ye

[daring heron]

doesnt need initial damage, it's already a giga strong dot

[shadow ibex]

That's the one place where I feel dstance

Did it with another war and they just dead to it hard cuz didn't swap

Watched it happen in real time

[spring vale]

what do you guys think of the next season dungeons from what we know thus far

[shadow ibex]

Meadery first room in 1 pull with lust gonna be fun as colossus

[spring vale]

darkflame cleft is gonna be so ass

[shadow ibex]

Last I did rookery demo was cursed cuz it wouldn't cleave from final boss and hit his lil shard add spawns

[spring vale]

last boss (of darkflame) will be where keys go to die

[shadow ibex]

But that was at launch when gearing

Doubt it was changed tho

[nova marsh]

The motherlode being back is not something I'm happy about

but tbh not the end of the world. Just

please deal with junkies holy FUCK

those are gonna be key killers again

[shadow ibex]

Iirc ML had a lot of good reflects so

Chillin

[nova marsh]

I hope the last 2 are keys we haven't seen in M+ before

I don't really like how many repeat dungeons we've had

[balmy kindle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZH2gmzbn3ARKWjhp#fight=14&start=6142762&end=6648071&type=damage-done

So close

[shadow ibex]

3 isn't a ton

3 repeats

[quasi torrent]

double hpriest double rsham

👑 👑 👑 👑 👑 👑 👑 👑 👑

[nova marsh]

Yes but like

I'd really prefer to see them give us retooled dungeons I just enjoy them more

[shadow ibex]

No monk debuff

[nova marsh]

that and I....really don't like BFA and slands

dungeonwise

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-here-throw-trash-garbage-gif-16402986

[quasi torrent]

bfa dungs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SL

[nova marsh]

well yeah

That's not even a competition

[hexed saddle]

need vault of the wardens back

[quasi torrent]

SL is bottom of all the xpacs with m+

[nova marsh]

Shadowlands dungeons are EASILY my least favorite

[quasi torrent]

and its like not that close

[shadow ibex]

Inb4 theater of pain

[quasi torrent]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

no theater

[nova marsh]

even the dungeons in S4 for shadowlands were trash

[quasi torrent]

no spires

[nova marsh]

FUCK THEATER

[shadow ibex]

Is a legacy

[nova marsh]

FUCK SPIRES

[quasi torrent]

spires of lose mdi and go out last in globals

👍

[hexed saddle]

cant wait for de other side

[shadow ibex]

Or vampire dungeon with gauntlet

[quasi torrent]

DE ODA SIDE

[quaint otter]

Theater was peak

[quasi torrent]

GUYS LOOK WHO IT IS

IN DAM IDDLE

[nova marsh]

sanguine depths can kinda go fuck itself

[quasi torrent]

SD im torn on

i barely played it on live

but i loved it on TR

[nova marsh]

I hate SD

[shadow ibex]

Spires last boss let's gooo

[nova marsh]

it plays like shit

[nova marsh]

Don't remind me

[shadow ibex]

Bugging out let's goooooo

[balmy kindle]

True and not even a unpopular take

[nova marsh]

Blizzz tried to do something cool with them

and failed on evrey level

I'd also stay away from WoD dungeons personally cuz.....ehhhhh

the ones we've gotten have kinda been...ass

Shadowmoon, well easy, was kinda annoying. Iron docks was....mid or okay, and grimrail is hands down one of the worst dungeons in keys

simply because sanguine existed during that time. That key was outright unplayable on sanguine week

And everbloom was....everbloom I don't even know what to think about everbloom it felt like such a weird dungeon

[quasi torrent]

everbloom wasnt the WORST
then u got to last 2 bosses and u just perished

[nova marsh]

whoever designed archmage is a warcrimminal

that shit was fucking awful

[daring heron]

cinderstorm brrrrrr

last boss would just oom our healer on high key

i think rdruids didnt have that problem though

[nova marsh]

Archmage feels bad because it was kinda RNG

Did you get arcane and fire? You're FUCKED without a defensive

That pull is probally one of the biggest trolls I've ever seen a developer do, god I hated that shit

Sure you could negate it with the pillars but it was just....crap to aim

[hushed pine]

It's the last boss I often have an issue with

that being all the stuff that's going around LOL

[nova marsh]

I like ara

First boss isn't hard but annoying on higher keys

and is somehow a pug killer

Second boss is fun, last boss is just....why

Feels ridicious

[hushed pine]

See, it's a good dungeon (minus the web bombs) but the last boss speaks for itself

[nova marsh]

It has a genuinely cool concept going ruined by a few bad apples

Also

Fuck those bodygaurds

I...I depise them

The bosses in ara feel kinda good, besides the last one in pugs cuz....yeah weird shit happens

The trash is....not as much fun

Oh yeah and that one hauler exists

[balmy kindle]

Ara Kara can go burn

Thanks to this disc, been able to handle the 3rd boss much better now but I will take NW or SV over ara-kara anyday

[fresh sierra]

is there a macro to swap stances fast?

[remote ledge]

Just press the button

[minor gust]

What do you mean by fast you press d stance you go into dstance

theres a Macro to put them on the same button if thats what your refering too

[fresh sierra]

yes

[remote ledge]

Muscle memory wise I think it is better to have two separate key binds, but let me find it

[minor gust]

#showtooltip
/use [stance:2]Defensive Stance;[stance:1]Battle Stance

[fresh sierra]

love u

[minor gust]

err wait

that one doesnt work

nvm im dumb that one is correct was testing it in fury

[remote ledge]

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;[known:386164]!Battle Stance;[known:386196]!Berserker Stance

[hushed pine]

thanks bro, cheers bro

[shadow ibex]

9 mil cleave on mists maze trash

[balmy kindle]

20 stack collateral with all multipliers and crit ?

[shadow ibex]

mbg demo and avatar and cd

every amp for amp spec

tried blademaster

[balmy kindle]

Been running blade masters as well on keys

Helps stacking that fat cleave

[shadow ibex]

7.5mil hardest cleave in ara kara. 5.6mil hardest MS

buff MS

[hushed pine]

waiting to see 10m mortal strikes

[quaint otter]

meciless bonegrinder now affects mortal strike

[naive sage]

Boy that would be insane

Well thank me guys arms needed me to betray it with another class

Now it is op again

[vast surge]

merciless bonegrinder affects your next 3 MS or Cleaves, increasing damage by 30% and rage cost by 20%, increases haste CDR benefit of MS/Cleave by 25% while active, persists for 15secs after combat ends

I think for arms warrior massacre should be baseline

Also I wish Improved execute said
Execute no longer has a cooldown and if your foe survives, 10% of the Rage spent is refunded. Execute critical strikes double the amount of rage refunded.

Just get us back to the kings of execute baby

Also why does sweeping strikes do no damage when used and blade flurry does

[quaint otter]

Why sweeping attacks only one target

[teal fossil]

i like this but not your other idea

[teal fossil]

codes separately

and the way sweeping is coded is quite beneficial to arms

if it was like blade flurry arms would be worse

[teal fossil]

the damage is fine but increasing the haste benefit just makes you spend the 3 cleaves a bit faster

its not increasing damage as high as you think, current mbg affecting ms would be a much better solution to it

[robust wing]

Is M+ arms literally just press cleave on cd?

[quaint otter]

Well yes and no

[balmy kindle]

It's all

Press cleave get fat stacks collateral, press cleave again

[reef glade]

share with the class pwease

[balmy kindle]

It's on a dummy so you can probably guess how he cooked it up

[stuck pebble]

So ya'll I may have been trolling my guild the whole expansion and not been using an embellishment

Does it add a lot of dps?

[thick kelp]

a solid amount yes

[quaint otter]

Depends

Few % usually

[stuck pebble]

Yeah that seems pretty big

Lmao

[quaint otter]

I dunno

In s3 df some r1 logs were without embels

[stuck pebble]

[vast surge]

Was thinking it would keep it from falling off with haste scaling

And make it a bit burstier

[slow saddle]

without ANY or just without 1 of em ?

[stuck pebble]

Any

[slow saddle]

i mean

makes me a bit sad

[stuck pebble]

I'm the king of cutting corners baby

[slow saddle]

but wont prevent a kill or anything

i presume u only raiding hc ?

[stuck pebble]

Embels and sockets haven't been something I've given any thought

[stuck pebble]

We're 4/8M rn

[slow saddle]

queen prob harder but

i cant believe no1 has pointed it out

[stuck pebble]

Too intimidating

I distract people by padding on random adds

[vast surge]

for MBG, I just hate there's so many globals that don't even interact with it and yeah just adding MS would be simpler and more elegant but I figure by having it be a set number of MS or Cleave it would also lower how punishing having to step out of melee for mechanics would be

[teal fossil]

Set number would make it really bad with more haste

Or eb/battlelord

[vast surge]

True, not sure how to solve the haste bit but that's why I'm not a game dev

[balmy kindle]

Thank goodness embel is only a few %

[teal fossil]

Or blademasters

[vast surge]

The execute suggestion I could see that happening

[teal fossil]

Mbg is balanced around only getting x cleaves in the window

And haste giving you more cleaves is good

[stuck pebble]

That's a lot though isn't it

[teal fossil]

So what if op/tc doesn’t interact

[balmy kindle]

Yeah but it's like 2-3 % unlike before

So your RL is probably not noticing it unlike before in S2 where we had elemental lariat

[vast surge]

It's a psychological thing more than an actual problem

[teal fossil]

That’s what hurricane was in a way

If buffed all your spells after bs

But weaker

Though I don’t want hurricane coming back ever

[vast surge]

Fair enough

I didn't mind huricane

[teal fossil]

Then bladestorm can never do damage

[teal fossil]

No one minded hurricane, people minded what hurricane implied

[vast surge]

True

I do like BS doing damage now

[teal fossil]

If hurricane was tuned high then that means bladestorm itself can’t do good damage

It’s all tradeoffs