arms

[remote ledge]

15 free rage

[nova marsh]

No mp either holy fuxk that dps is gonna be dookie

Love it

[icy mulch]

What are these cursed builds?

[karmic fjord]

Ignore pain too strong, slap storm wall on there

[halcyon valve]

30% dmg buff simply too strong to consider

Best i can do is base dmg

[rich kernel]

for m+ as colossus, is skull splitter used?

[vital rune]

I'm out of the loop - are we taking WB nowadays?

[teal fossil]

You can use ignore pain for a dps loss

That’s the whole point

[halcyon valve]

Amazing news: both of these builds cut your dps in half
Dungeon slice Sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bgUR9GcVExAVYxoSkeWycf

[untold matrix]

any talent updates for single target colossus

[halcyon valve]

(Rancid B actually has colossus smash with spiteful serenity and test of might)

On the plus side: you lose 3 dps buttons entirely, and make another one nearly worthless! Gone with the button bloat! /s

[civic isle]

Got 1 fam

[rich kernel]

.

[latent moss]

dslice isnt accurate anyway! builds rock preach king!

[shell monolith]

fight me

[quartz canopy]

It can still be used, but not necessary. You can shift one of those points to something like Exhilarating Blows and not have much of a difference in DPS.

[neon ocean]

Is colossus the play for mythic silken court? I hear it mentioned often but I can't find a lot of public data on it

Public logs mostly show slayer, I don't know if thats just the comfort pick or whats actually best

I'd honestly prefer playing slayer there but I will learn colossus if its legit

@visual fern oh, you are literally ranked on that boss as colossus

just randomly saw your name there lol

[wild kernel]

You can pump the demolish for guaranteed burst on the boss vulnerability windows and it syncs up pretty well

[visual fern]

40%+ crit

Colossus owns

Not 40%+ crit, go slayer

Slayer/thane more consistent and probably easier

Colossus felt really good though when it hit

[neon ocean]

ah, yeah I'm nowhere near 40% crit

its not even close

slayer gaming it is

[visual fern]

Think colossus gets better on farm when kill time is shorter

[neon ocean]

I have 25% crit

[visual fern]

I recrafted all my shit lmao

[neon ocean]

even if I recraft my ring and change a bunch of stuff it wouldn't be that close

[visual fern]

F

[neon ocean]

if I changed my weapon and ring stats and all gems I might be able to reach like.....33-35% or something

not even sure it'd be that high

[visual fern]

Crit flask?

[neon ocean]

didn't think of that one

[visual fern]

I was at 39.5

W/ Crit flask

[neon ocean]

makes your potion worse though yeah?

[visual fern]

Yah

[tepid star]

Hello guys, what gems do you recommande ? Every socket with the same gem or alternate gemme to boost the special gem with critik?

[visual fern]

Alternate gems w/ elusive gem

[tepid star]

5 différents color exist ?

[visual fern]

8% move speed

Or

[neon ocean]

honestly my gear is kinda just better for fury, maybe I try slayer or thane fury for that boss instead

[visual fern]

2k simdps

[neon ocean]

trinket included

I don't have a transmitter I have 639 skarmorak

[visual fern]

Thane pipes

[neon ocean]

I have much more experience playing thane also so that helps

I have played zero colossus arms, only slayer

[weak wave]

Yes it was on "load in combat"

[cloud dawn]

is arms good again?

[slow saddle]

Good is strong word

Its decent

[dire hinge]

Ah… yeah not much use out of combat 😅

[magic canopy]

movespeed gem cranks

esp when as thane you need every talent point you can get

[warped spade]

Stam not really worth

Unless you want to be 2% closer to Sonic

[midnight mural]

Im following ur lead - recrafted all my stuff and got some reps in (HC fun) yesterday. I think colossuss feels pretty good.

I should som with crit flask tho.. didnt occur to me

[thick kelp]

Part of colossus class fantasy is mogging a Mace over anythin else

[weak wave]

ofc! I like to plan my CDS between trash mobs 🙂

[thick kelp]

what cds is there to plan

[dire hinge]

Yeee tbh I just have a pixel glow on cleave if it’s empowered or not

If cleave is loaded up? Cool, I’ll use it anyways

[civic isle]

Hey fam started kyveza this week, does reflect prevent the application of queensbane?

[hushed pine]

Better to use your cd's on something and say you pressed them than leaving the dungeon without ever using em

[thick kelp]

what if

crazy thought

cds on cd

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/perfetto-yes-gif-26163077

[eager sigil]

no but the lines in intermission

so you wanna reflect at the end of intermission when everyone gets a line

[hushed pine]

Walk it off

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[civic isle]

Cheers g!

[pearl basin]

dreadnought seems kinda ass now compared to DF

[atomic mountain]

ist this realy the break point? i luckily swapped to colo with like 43% crit. do i reduce it on 40 then?

min is like this

[royal escarp]

If i understand for colossus you play crit >> haste. That's it ??

[latent moss]

sim

[eager sigil]

breakpoints in 2024

[latent moss]

sims. were around ages ago no

[hushed pine]

Jesus, that crit

[halcyon valve]

chat ive had a breakthrough

this talent combination lowers dungeon slice sim dps by 65%

so far thats the worst i have discovered

heres the full tree

[gaunt owl]

i admire the dedication to finding the worst build possible

[halcyon valve]

gotta commit to the bit

[crimson hollow]

looks like XD

[livid cloak]

Sks no rend

Fatality lol

This is amazing

Very tanky though

Mobs never die, you never die

[halcyon valve]

arterial bleed for all the bleed dmg youll be doing with only deep wounds

no cleave either because who needs that

hmm swapping arterial bleed for one against many might actually be worse

whirlwind does piss dmg after all

[hushed pine]

[halcyon valve]

DO NOT TRY THIS IN YOUR +10 KEYS

[hushed pine]

If you ever feel useless, remember Spiteful Serenity exists

[halcyon valve]

just adding dreadnaught to this piece of shit talent build is a 22% increase
now try to tell me again how DN is bad (this beats out cleave in this case btw)

[halcyon valve]

ok this is the last ill post on this topic
these two colossus builds are about equally awful in terms of dungeon slice dps
do with this info whatever you want

[remote ledge]

Is it simming worse than slayer with ravager?

If yes, slayer 🔛🔝

[untold pewter]

Guys just need a quick confirmation/correction since last tuning pass
Do we actually mortal strike at 2 stacks of EP only or still need 2 stacks of EP+2 stacks of Lethal Blows+2 stacks of overpower?

(Execute phase)

[naive sage]

Challenge: be top dps in a +10
Just like a sl1 deathless run in Dark Souls 3 or smth

[midnight mural]

just be 20 ilevels above the other dps

[livid cloak]

Do you have juggernaut talented?

[untold pewter]

Yes

I'm talking pure single target, Kyveza for example

Just trying to clean up my understanding of exactly what's the best way to do execute phase

With all these different buffs affecting mortal strike

[livid cloak]

Okay if you're raiding with jugg then you either use it to refresh rend/dw if needed

Or at 2x ep and 2x lethal blows

I'm fairly sure if you're doing dungeons without jugg, you can send at 2x ep and it's fine.

The 2x martial prowess stacks aren't mandatory, but they usually just happen anyway

Or at least 1 will always happen in my experience

[untold pewter]

Hm ok yeah, that's pretty much what I've been doing, sick man, and just to clear up the execute vs OP

Is Opportunist Overpower > Execute?

Or just keep sending Execute until no rage left and only then overpower (which will likely have an opportunist buff up)

[livid cloak]

I believe you'd send op with opportunist if you're under 80ish rage? I think that's the prio

If full you send exe

Wowhead should have that

[untold pewter]

Gotcha, I'll look it up

Thanks mate

[tacit crystal]

pre and execute

🙂

@sick gazelle im rendering the video now

[untold pewter]

Yeah I've been doing that but wanted to check if the 15% buff to MS changed anything, primarily

But ok cool, still the same pretty much

[tacit crystal]

nope

ms is still dogshit

!

[gaunt owl]

[silent flame]

So

for st

in exe phase

we want to exe 2x to get the mortal strike off with the 2 overpower stacks?

[dull siren]

🫃

[tacit crystal]

hi tmy

[tacit crystal]

yeah 2ep then spam execute until 2 lb

[silent flame]

LB?

[silent flame]

Ah ok

so i just spam execute until my OP gets reset and used 2 times?

[tacit crystal]

depends

answer is in the picture

[sacred zodiac]

if you're rage starved yeah but theres some nuance that isnt covered by a flow chart that simple

[tacit crystal]

ty spongie

❤️

[silent flame]

Fair
Idk why but the rota is always confusing for me

I play assa, this has a lot less to think about

so idk why im confused sometimes lma

[tacit crystal]

how are you approaching learning the rotation

[silent flame]

Trying to read it then perform it

[tacit crystal]

maybe check out this#449510248579858432 message

[silent flame]

Ill take a peak

about to try a 10

im p low ilevel rn
only 610 on this alt

whilest my main is about

630

[tacit crystal]

i would suggest you watch that before you continue to practice "incorrectly"

[silent flame]

Okieeee

tbhI seem good outside of execute st
was just curious about st exe

[tacit crystal]

it should give you a perspective of how you can improve at learning

it can be easily applied outside of wow

really good pedagogical piece by @lean geode

[hexed parrot]

hey, can sb link me a stance macro to swap my stances and back again?

[wheat birch]

hey guyz would u suggest fury or arms for m+? not sure if arms is better after latest buffs

[halcyon breach]

#1237307732705415228 message 👍

[halcyon breach]

You can realistically play either one based on your preference, as they're both in a fairly decent spot rn

[rich kernel]

Can someone go into how slayer vs colossus works in m+? Like why people say slayer is a comfort pick etc.? I've only played colossus so far but just curious. Also would like to know what you guys prefer between the 2 playstyle wise

[wheat birch]

Ok ty

[arctic axle]

for me at least slayer is more comfort (easy) cause u dont have to deal as much with positioning or timing ,since u get to do aoe freely and 360 (slayer talents) vs demolish needing stacks,warbreaker and position and timing ,not to have it canceled ,due to mobs moving out ,aoe on the floor or boss ability that u need to run out

dmg wise for my gear its colossus 7% better in dungeon slice vs slayer 7% better in st

with m+ talents

[rich kernel]

thanks, which do you generally run in m+ then?

[arctic axle]

you can do wowhead ones which overall are good ,or tweak them a bit to ur style(for colossus i take massacre for example,and sudden death for slayer)

but its ofc ur preference and u ll win some and lose some dps depending on fights/pulls

[silent flame]

Healer dies on first boss of CoT then ragequits

or dced

[arctic axle]

sry every time i see cot i think cavern of time

[livid cloak]

Play both and see what you like..both are viable rn

[nova marsh]

Slayer is more of a comfort pick because it's very simple to play and has minimal impact on the actual rota and dosent need the forethought demolish does

It also does good damage in both aoe and st

[halcyon valve]

Impossible unless all the other dps are afk lol

[silent flame]

Getting into keys is impossible

on an alt

[tacit crystal]

play fotm

[silent flame]

can't host my own cause it's a nine and nobody joins it
was a 10 but idiot healer just decided to quit when he dide

i wanna play arms though

[tacit crystal]

well then might have to sit lfg for someone to join

[silent flame]

Still have trouble getting invited as Fotm

Fair

but i do that then we wipe and people leave becazuse either the healer or tank are trash

[forest chasm]

I play collosus in m+ runs. I do really good 3+ targets however, my single target is pure disappointment. How can i improve my ST/overall playstyle as arms in both raids and dungeons? Any guide to follow?

[livid cloak]

#dps-faq

[eager sigil]

slayer

[quaint otter]

get mandate ez clap

[visual fern]

40+ on court just helps you consistently have demo for burns

Not a sim number, a fucked-around,found-out number

[visual fern]

Dude I had so much fun playing col on court

Highlight of the tier so far

[midnight mural]

im loving it lol

me having fun in hc pugs

just to get a feel for colossus on the fight

[visual fern]

Are you playing m y version

W/ warlords + spear

Or std w/ roar

[midnight mural]

no

[visual fern]

L bozo

[midnight mural]

i cooked my own shit

with sims

[visual fern]

OH?

SHOW

[midnight mural]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aqWLCiF8r66BaZ3sUb2ADx

is the best result ive gotten so far

did a lazy vulnerability phase every 60 seconds with 12 seconds duration

have not bothered actually setting up all the vulnerabilityphases correctly

[visual fern]

This is std

No?

[midnight mural]

i dont know

i tried a bunch of different stuff

[visual fern]

I guess std is blademasters instead of warlords

But I think BMT for SS is fake on that fight

[midnight mural]

i dont think

its good

yeah

u dont get 100% value

no way

[visual fern]

Correct

It's nice for

[midnight mural]

i dislike spear

:[

[visual fern]

Demo CDR

Spear OWNS

At the end

CS > Spear > Demo > exe > exe

[midnight mural]

ill try one with spear

[visual fern]

The only outrage of spear is

If demo doesn't lineup w/ Spear

Since you can't really hold spear too long

[midnight mural]

with transmitter 🛫

[visual fern]

Transmitter was fine enough imo

Like

Lemme find the SS

[midnight mural]

i have khadros at 639 ( as well ) so did that first, but i think.. hmm .. this transmitter burst is nutty

[visual fern]

Stuff like this

Happened a couple times

[midnight mural]

u use mouseover?

[visual fern]

Till I figured out how to play around SD/LB

[midnight mural]

ah yeah

gotta have it all ready

[midnight mural]

sad

[visual fern]

But yah I do play w/ mouseover macro on most abilities

Illness, I know

[steep osprey]

Playing all Colossus?

[visual fern]

/cast [@mouseover] ability ; ability

Like that

[midnight mural]

yea

they are all from today

[steep osprey]

I wanna play colossus in one raid

how far is it from slayer

[midnight mural]

i wouldnt play colossus on anything else i think

[steep osprey]

HC is what i mean

[visual fern]

Brood, maybe

MAYBE

[steep osprey]

Garms

[visual fern]

In deep farm

Demo up every egg break + big cleave

[steep osprey]

How much behind is colossus to slayer in st

[visual fern]

Don't know, never checked

[steep osprey]

ok

Is it bad

or just a little behind

[visual fern]

#arms message

[compact geyser]

what u guys think about this for keys? play completely around ms/cleave resets and big collateral hits. no overpower crap

[steep osprey]

Probably Walhe knows

[visual fern]

I think archis sims ran right after buff was like

1.52 for ST col and 1.57 for slayer?

[halcyon breach]

Theoretical differences #updates-midnight message

👍

[visual fern]

Ish

Using maxed profiles

Although idk if tailored for colossus and slayer specifically

[visual fern]

Queen after p1 is fun

P1 is p1ss

[halcyon breach]

I personally think P1 and P3 are great, P2 is ok

[visual fern]

Might be recenty bias cuz we spent about

100 pulls not really progging

[halcyon breach]

Yeah well

[visual fern]

Which is bad for the mental

[halcyon breach]

Spending an obscene amount of time in one single phase with almost no prog does sour it

[steep osprey]

That seems like barely a loss

[halcyon breach]

Like our prog at least was fairly smooth

Took roughly 50-60~ pulls per phase to prog

+/- 10-20 pulls

Which frankly is also really really efficient prog and not the norm

[visual fern]

We're seeing 1st/2nd acos p3

After like

200 pull

[halcyon breach]

(And also attributes to why I prob think the boss is better than it would for other people)

[visual fern]

Which is avg for guild at our placing this tier

But holy did we regress from last 2 tiers

[halcyon breach]

Realistically if you make it past 2nd acolytes the boss is almost dead

[visual fern]

We're figuring out essences

[halcyon breach]

3rd acolytes just exist and you don't really play them except interrupt

[visual fern]

Seen p3 clean like

3x?

[thick kelp]

Like 70k from my own sim

[neon ocean]

I will have to be content with slayer for court, don't think I will reach the crit colossus wants

it seems to do reasonable boss damage though, when I filtered logs specifically by boss dam

and I poked around on llorgs to get a feel for when people are sending cds as slayer

[visual fern]

This is why you (I) play colossus

📈

[neon ocean]

crit good

if I thought I could even get close to 40% I might recraft everything, but since I can't - I won't

especially since it will all be recrafted back to fury stats for queen

so I will be a stinky slayer gamer

[thick kelp]

us

[neon ocean]

I do hope they will give demolish some treatment though for future seasons, and by treatment I mean

just make it a targeted frontal like the fyrakk weapon - you need a target and they need to be in range, BUT

you don't lose the entire thing if your enemy walks 0.1 out of melee range

since it'd be a loose frontal

since it has interactions with sweep though I imagine this will not happen

and I wouldn't want to lose those

[quaint otter]

make demolish +5m range like fists of fury profit

[tired sinew]

random questions.. any tips to help see the orb / floor thing from the transmitter better?

[halcyon breach]

Idk about making you see it better, but it always spawns front right of where your character is facing

So you can preplan by turning yourself, so it spawns in a desirable spot

[tired sinew]

oh nice

thanks for the tip!

[cinder sinew]

Do we know the breakpoints for diminishing returns on crit and haste?

[midnight mural]

bru 15.828 😮

[crimson hollow]

guys how can i change flaskwhen i sim character?

[midnight mural]

howwww

oh w8 nvmm.......

spear

[regal socket]

why am i almost rage capped

for entire fights

[livid cloak]

Rage is cosmetic until execute phase

And is irrelevant

[worldly kernel]

the cycle continues

[crimson hollow]

helping my friend lock with weekly in 10 mists as arms 🙂 i think little more buffs and we are good 🙂 im glad that i swap back to arms from fury 😄 enjoy demolish rly 😄

[livid cloak]

You can find weakauras for this but you shouldn't. The breakpoints are irrelevant and you should just sim your character

I believe there's also an addon called true stats? But again would not recommend it, just sim

[regal socket]

they should fix that

[livid cloak]

I'm not a dev, I was just answering your question

Outside of execute you'll rarely need to manage your rage

[regal socket]

im curiosu if they see that as an issue

like your main resource just doenst really matter

most of the time

[astral yarrow]

They sort of made it relevant, but then made slayer have a million free executes and a high priority on OP while casually nerfing MS by 20% going into the xpac

[fossil thistle]

In what regards are M+ "parses" factored on? Just speed?

[floral ledge]

how many time u press ms

[astral yarrow]

Damage at key level I’m quite sure

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-strike-terry-crews-wo-w-warrior-gif-18597900

[boreal quartz]

Only if u Filter for dam

It's like score per key or some dumb shit

[astral yarrow]

huh

kinda kills the point

but 🤷‍♀️

[boreal quartz]

It's pointless in the first place

[remote ledge]

no, the amount of points the key gave u, the more points the more %, then for key% it's the same thing but within the spec and the key level

[astral yarrow]

yeah so its pointless

or rather, just not very useful

[remote ledge]

key% is good

[eager sigil]

i dont think i ever looked at my m+ parses lol

seems mega irrelevant

[valid flame]

Seems a little like smelling your own farts idk

[arctic iris]

It's generally pretty useless for damage rankings, but you can use it to review other stuff like damage taken or defensive use

Or try to evaluate if you were making good use of your offensive CDs

[upper light]

why do top builds not take warbreaker in m+

[crimson hollow]

what? 😄 this is rank 1 arms so i think they play it 😄

or where you get it?

[regal socket]

i think wowhead build says no warbreaker in m+

oddly

maxroll guide has it

[crimson hollow]

i usualy use raider.io for builds , check top players than try their builds which fit best 😄

[remote ledge]

depends on the dungeon, esp as slayer

on colo u pretty much always take it

[fossil thistle]

Thought so. Some people in a guild discord I was in was talking and comparing and I had no idea on what the percentiles were based off 😂

[halcyon valve]

its actually crazy how bad whirlwind is as arms

[hushed pine]

You don't use WW, you use Cleave

[halcyon valve]

see, i actually want whirlwind because its bad

[livid cloak]

Df ww

I miss you

[upper light]

https://www.archon.gg/wow/builds/arms/warrior/mythic-plus/overview/10/all-dungeons/this-week

i was just looking at this mb

[halcyon valve]

ww legitimately does a third of the dmg cleave does, without applying deep wounds

its awesome

[neon ocean]

I like the new cleave, tbh that should be a permanent replacement as arms

And not some talent you have to dig for

I guess it's a 1 point branch but it'd be nice to have cleave exist as a base button without the commitment

[halcyon valve]

nah it should remain a talent

[regal socket]

is ww just useless tho

without cleave tlaentd

[halcyon valve]

it is

it barely makes it as a filler spell with 5+ targets and sweeping

[midnight mural]

shesh.. this colossus is fun 😄 1st boss mist 11

[hushed pine]

Cleave was so good during Legion when it did that extra aoe tho

[teal fossil]

ww hasn’t been strong since shadowlands

Partly because slam hits much harder

Not to mention your actual spells

[hushed pine]

the only time WW hits hard is when you're a lvl 10 fury warrior speeding through timewalkign dungeons

[sick gazelle]

cool lmk when its live

[lean bough]

IS that windfury trinket off last boss of BRD the new BiS for arms?

[tacit crystal]

ill post it in promotion

[remote ledge]

since watching at critcake arm's video, changing EP for Battlelord in this build is like a 0,5% loss for me, i guess that's the go-to for dungeons without exec phases, but what about other dungeons ?

[tacit crystal]

its prob fine

bl makes your rage gain more consistent

eb makes it volatile

with bigger potential bursts

[remote ledge]

what about MS in exec range then

without ep

on cd or never ?

or same 2 stacks

[fossil thistle]

10 mists w/ Aug. only 49.4% prescience buff 😦

[fossil thistle]

Probably on 2stack OP/Set to maintain rend still

[teal fossil]

No

[teal fossil]

Ms without ep is shit

Can probably just maintain rend

Wait no execute is also shit without jug

So depends on talents

I have to look at the numbers

[strange perch]

@latent moss hey

[tacit crystal]

hey warlordsofdraenor

[waxen elbow]

@latent moss hi

[livid cloak]

that's pretty nutty

i think my highest on mists 1st boss is like 2.4

2.8 whew

i did have a nice grim batol though, that dungoen usually feels like shit but i was pretty happy with this

626 ele was nice, left me enough stuff to pad

[remote ledge]

this, 45s roar or blademaster depending on the pulls

[midnight mural]

we not even on main 😄 with transamiter on main that shit wouldve been even crazier

[midnight mural]

looks pretty stronk

[livid cloak]

Also keep in mind if you aren't always ON your reset abilities and using them instantly, eb loses value. Or if you aren't great and optimizing mbg, eb loses value

I don't like battle lord, but it is very easy and just kinda works

[teal fossil]

I don’t like eb+bl

They munch on each other

I’m of the opinion that sks is better

[livid cloak]

I don't like both either

[remote ledge]

idk thats just what critcake played

wanted to try since it sims the same

[strange perch]

hi gio57

[remote ledge]

it is proc fiesta inded

indeed

[tacit crystal]

are you a schnappi enjoyer

[strange perch]

yeah what about you?

[tacit crystal]

do you not see my picture

biggest schnappi enjoyer

[regal wharf]

idk whats going on

like I installed elvui shadow and light

[astral talon]

Diff addon doing same thing

Iirc quartz was doing it for me

[regal wharf]

so

it seems like its the duration of the buff but

idk how to turn it off

[tacit crystal]

you have blizzard timers on i think

was happening to me yesterday

try this

[strange perch]

thanks for the help i think @boreal quartz @tacit crystal @latent moss and @quick night should be blue names

[tacit crystal]

only blue should be @silk spade

[quick night]

imbluedabadadidabada

[tacit crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1304807510728773642/ujDOV.gif

i never get to keys with zhai anymore

😦

[halcyon valve]

lets beat em with hammers

[remote ledge]

I think I'm liking bl + EB, but still wonder if it's worth going for fierce followthrough and use ms over overpower in aoe. A bit like colo actually

[minor gust]

I think BL + EB is too excessive and just not worth

Just EB with 2 points in BB just feels better. If BL guaranteed demolish and Warbreaker lining up everytime in ST sure but it just doesnt

[remote ledge]

It's as slayer btw

And I already have 2 points in BB

I dropped EP for it

[minor gust]

oh EB + BL as slayer sounds troll af

same with no EP

[remote ledge]

It a 0.2% sim diff in both aoe and ST for me

I wanted a build for dungeons without execute phases, I saw critcake dropping EP for bl (as colo ofc)

I mean spamming ms and cleave is fishing for procs, and reduces bladestorm

[west wasp]

is Champions spear better for single target than thunderous roar?

[remote ledge]

I was doing way more aoe than with jugg build, I guess talents really are cosmetics

But no more 8M crits

[minor gust]

arms talents in dungeons rn are yeah especially colossus feel very interchangeable like 4+ flex points

[remote ledge]

I really can't stand colossus, but the more I play slayer the more I realsoe I can litteraly just play the same build as you guys and there is no difference

I just don't demo

[minor gust]

I thought I would hate colossus more back in beta but in dungeons and in aoe its a lot of fun. shit actually lines up and your pack 2 pack dmg feels insane

have yet to die to demolish yet either

[remote ledge]

I really like the ability

But can't stand being rooted

I fidget all the time

[minor gust]

its so quick I dont care about the rooted Fyralath was a lot worse in DF

[remote ledge]

And love bladestorming even if seeing those 200k hits are demoralizing

I didn't play back then

But since you're there, I gotta admit warbringer as slayer felt weird at first, but it actually slaps

It slapped so hard I wanted to try full aoe no exec build

[minor gust]

Warbringer meme moment

[remote ledge]

Warbringer into blademasters torment avatar

Reap proc fiesta

[latent moss]

ty pauck

[empty nova]

Reading along and trying to decipher some acronyms

Whats EP?

[halcyon breach]

Executioner's Precision

[empty nova]

Tyvm

Lads, current state is Colossus Single Target viable?

[gaunt matrix]

We finally have done all M+11s with all pugs, +12s here we go.

[empty nova]

Also if I may ask, does the 3% crit from Battle Stance get added into your crit chance on character sheet or do I manually add it?

Trying to aim for the 40% crit chance for Colossus build.

Or do they run 43% (including Battle Stance)?

[dire hinge]

it adds it, just go to dstance and watch your crit drop

[empty nova]

Not near my computer for a while hehe, thank you

[empty nova]

Do we feel like Colossus is viable ST?
Or if you’ve fully geared and gemmed for Colossus M+ build it would still be better to go Slayer ST?

Probs not any difference between gemming and gearing for Col/Slayer im guessing

[teal fossil]

If you play colossus you are conceding that your st is bad

[shadow ibex]

i just gem as slayer and if i want more crit have a crit ring in the pocket

thats where most of ur stat customization is gonna come from and i really dont think worth the headache of trying to back and forth optimize gems if ur raiding and m+

[teal fossil]

And yeah you are crit haste anyways

Haste crit for slayer

Crit haste for colossu

I wonder if full st colossus does more than m+ slayer on st

[shadow ibex]

give colossus back reck CS

so i have rage

[tacit crystal]

make torments good again

[empty nova]

Ive got a Myth 439 ring with haste mastery, would I use that over a 626 crit haste for colossus?

Im guessing sim is the answer.

[lavish turtle]

hi, new to arms. Shouldn't I Smash first then Roar

? All these sites telling me to Roar first then Smash

[snow pagoda]

roar dmg is the dot not the instant part

roar first

[quaint otter]

^ this

[shadow ibex]

no one told me you can just get bopped and never worry about dropping orbs on princess

[livid cloak]

If they all say it, it's probably correct

[thorn pelican]

fitting more useful globals in smash > hitting the lackluster intial hit of roar

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/mualani-genshin-impact-genshin-cute-genshin-cute-gif-9213918674297824443

[reef glade]

https://tenor.com/view/mualani-gif-5699744288645835006

[thick kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051179501138219048/1201619980853182665/1706400664463724.gif

[lavish turtle]

ah its the dot

[silent flame]

How tf does cleave work with a mace
do you just like
Smash the enemies into eachother?

[strange perch]

into a bludied pulp.

[silent flame]

Leso

*Lesgo

Really loving the aoe rota

[halcyon valve]

(Transmogs weapon into wooden stick)

[silent flame]

Last boss of CoT is so nice w spell reflect

[silent flame]

The two types of warriors

[latent arrow]

is there a key in which slayer beats colossus?

[boreal quartz]

can argue for grim batol and city

[thick kelp]

Someone send help to this guy

didnt like arms

[dim basalt]

Tbh arms gameplay in keys is weird

Feels a lot better in raid

[remote ledge]

If you like it more then every single one

[random ibex]

I feel like they need to nuke sks from orbit

feels so weird to play

[quasi torrent]

muialani as she is about to send a nuke into some hilichurl towers

[silent flame]

Finally got 90 crests on this alt so imma try dawnthread :D
Simming what stats are best rq

Is it Dslice or patch 5 to sim aoe again

[balmy kindle]

arguably if ur group has pi slayer is pretty rad, reap for days

[brisk sandal]

Guys, quick question. Is there a scenario in m+ where I'm going to run dreadnaught over strength of arms?

Everywhere says to run strength of arms, but dreadnaught seems much better to me.

[remote ledge]

If u want more aoe

I find both good, esp with opportunist

Also depends on how much dmg does dreadnaught at the end of the dungeon, if it's fairly low might aswell just go for soa

[brisk sandal]

Hmm, that makes sense. I think I'll test some runs with slayer and dreadnaught.

[remote ledge]

Usually people play dn until it gets hard, so 12-13+

[brisk sandal]

I just did a +10 and dreadnaught was like 4~6% of my damage.

[silent flame]

Dslice or patch 5 for aoe simming
soz to ask again just wanna make sure i craft the right thing :D

[remote ledge]

Patch 5T 5min

[remote ledge]

You probably don't cleave enough, but keep dn then

[silent flame]

Cheers

just goinna make my first embelish

most likely dawnthread

[brisk sandal]

Ok, man. Thanks.

[silent flame]

but i will sim all the stat combos with dusk too

to see what ones gonna be better

[remote ledge]

Do you have a 636+ weapon?

[silent flame]

Yes

thats why

Otherwise id go for ascend

[remote ledge]

% vers is prolly safer for m+, but I went for crit cos I'm a gambler

[silent flame]

Gamer

meh if it sims higher ill take it

this char is 100% for m+

[remote ledge]

Gamers go for crit

[silent flame]

True

im just playing arms cause i wanted to try it for an alt and im enjoying it

not as much as assa
But hey, that's why assa is my main X)

[remote ledge]

It doesn't matter as much tbf

Go for the one you feel the most

Embellish are kinda poopoo

[silent flame]

Yea

but like

imgoing from a 600 ilevel wrist

to a 636 one

Ok ST 5 min time to sim

God i need to get a wa pack for arms
but the two top ones i don't like the look of too much X)

[dim basalt]

Then modify it

Or make your own

It's fairly easy

[silent flame]

Yuh

or i could just put like

[remote ledge]

I like darkly's one

[silent flame]

wa times for cleave or MS

just next to my char

ok pure crit on my bracers with dawnthread are simming highest lmao

imma redo

[dim basalt]

Well you do need more than just ms/cleave

Unless you don't care about playing optimally that is

[silent flame]

Well i do wanna play optimally yes
so i assume id need cd timers, bleed timers and the like

rn i already have a SR macro

also omg this is gonna cost so much to make D:

[dim basalt]

Lethal blows, marked for execution and sudden death also

[silent flame]

Oh fair

[remote ledge]

Just don't play SD and you don't need to track 🤓
Same for ep

[silent flame]

I only just got my 2 set

4

i mean

so LB is the tier right?

[remote ledge]

Yes

[silent flame]

ah k k

[quasi torrent]

sr macro (?)

[silent flame]

True
But i feel like it would be worse X)

Spell reflect

lets me know when im targeted by a spell

how channeled it is

[quasi torrent]

thats not a macro

thats a weakaura 👍

[remote ledge]

Most m+ builds don't play sd

They're fine

[silent flame]

Im roleplating as warrior
removed 90% of my iq, thats why i mistook it

[dim basalt]

zugzug

[silent flame]

They don't but from the slayer tree

[quasi torrent]

fucking rpers
true warriors just have none in the first place.

[silent flame]

Also it took me a few seconds to remember SD is sudden death and not sudden demise X)
rogue brained

Ok now haste + Crit is simming higher

but pure crit is still above it

tbh i think i might go with crit + haste because pure crit seems

questonable

Ah it's cause my bracers have haste on already

20.5K for my embelish oof

[silent flame]

Ill try this one btw :D

[remote ledge]

Darkly one lacks lethal blows and executioner precision, but they're easy to add

[silent flame]

TBF EP appears on the enemy bars so it's easy to see

[dim basalt]

I don't have a WA for EP because I can count

[remote ledge]

Talenting out of it still is the power play

[still fox]

slayer is all fine, i play it i dont like demolish

[remote ledge]

Same

And all builds work just fine, you even have more possibilities than colossus

[livid cloak]

Tank plays into it a lot

Colossus really pulls away on big big pulls

The more conservative the tank, the more slayer catches up imo

I really hate how long bladestorm is on arms in keys

After feeling the fury bladestorm lol

[still fox]

on this season its ok we can interrupt befor was meeh

[still fox]

yea on premate grp. and big pulls yea, but i pugg +12er keys and i think with pugg tanks slayer often a bit better

[balmy kindle]

agreed, reap does alot of work in sustained cleave

[livid cloak]

To each their own. I do 2 to 400k more overall as colossus

[balmy kindle]

I find myself doing better with colosuss due to the nature with demolish as well

slayer is seriously dependent on reap procs which can get ur group killed

big pull > no procs and suddenly your through put is really bad

[fossil thistle]

I think every tank is programmed to wait for your 10stack to fall off

[meager lynx]

is there any reason why people in raider io plays ravager but wowhead guide says bladestorm?

[livid cloak]

Colossus takes ravager

Slayer bs

[fossil thistle]

In mists the tank I had did last section with good pulls and every pack was 4-6M dps, but from the start to first boss he did 1 pack pulls 💀💀 also, waited like 15s before every boss “for cool downs”

[meager lynx]

in raider io they played slayer with ravager tho

[livid cloak]

Nobody plays slayer with ravager

[balmy kindle]

when your 10 stack falls off 3s before pull

[fossil thistle]

You’d never

[livid cloak]

It has entire talents build around bladestorm

[fossil thistle]

Right dude

[meager lynx]

nvm my fault

[livid cloak]

Tbh building col stacks is pretty fast and easy especially on aoe

Dropping them isn't brutal

Obviously not preferred

[balmy kindle]

its more of annoying

[nimble yoke]

10% crit chance 30% initial target damage on colossus per stack when??

[remote ledge]

I don't mind this, I mind that it does kinda negative damage

[balmy kindle]

any tips on COE third boss as warrior

[remote ledge]

Cot?

[halcyon valve]

kill boss soak orbs

[still fox]

😝

[remote ledge]

Def stance on each aoe

[still fox]

let other soak 😅

[balmy kindle]

ara kara

[still fox]

what will you too on 3 boss here? all normal you have jump charge giga

[remote ledge]

Last boss of ara Kara is fairly easy, don't be 4 melees

[balmy kindle]

Lol thats like saying dont play warrior

i swear our spec (fury or arms )is so fucking useless at that fight

[strange perch]

Skill issue

Leap max, pummel max

Be agressive

[balmy kindle]

idk between a dot that almost insta gibs my toon and inability to do any significant uptime

[strange perch]

Maybe this is healer issue? Logs can help.

[balmy kindle]

like at key levels 10+ i just cant

[eager sigil]

idk also what other boss does warrior do anything but damage

idk why youre mad about that boss

[strange perch]

Mechanics can make a mess on screen

[balmy kindle]

because most other classes can dispel self

like that fight is legit just live

[eager sigil]

no they cant

[balmy kindle]

Monk rogue pala

all can

dk too

[eager sigil]

yea thats all

sure

[remote ledge]

It is what it is, being 4 melees is just really tough, dks can neglect every ability

[strange perch]

Again - be agreesive (nuking), disengage before the void hole, place yourself during green beamy thing

[balmy kindle]

its just a terribly designed boss encounter thats entirely trivalized by self-dispels

[eager sigil]

i dont think its a problem

like 2 guys dispell themselves and the others just get healed

[balmy kindle]

on my ww i can just easily roll towards the corner and self dispel get back in

losing no downtime

while being very safe

[eager sigil]

and a pala can click bubble

warrior you just stand and blast dps

also losing no downtime

[balmy kindle]

yea until ur healer dispel kills your tank because u stood too close

[eager sigil]

yea but thats not your fault

like are you mad if someone gets sucked in on that boss that you cant grip them out?

you cant control everything

[fossil thistle]

Just learn to time your leap better

[balmy kindle]

not dying to sucky, mostly dead to dot

[fossil thistle]

Oof you have an addon that times the pull, you can leap sub 1s

Better healer I guess

I haven’t had issues with healers not being to out heal the poison, I typically run with a priest (both holy and disc priests)

People only died when they fail the mechanics, or DK goes unga brain and presses slappy hands wiping the group

[balmy kindle]

kind of hard as brown class to be like : dispel me first tq

[fossil thistle]

Priests can’t cleanse poison

[zenith crystal]

I hate not having self cleanse

[maiden moat]

I have to play at brood Single tar Arms, Do you think its worth for extend ss?

[eager sigil]

ss does not give you st

[livid cloak]

Use spell reflect and victory rush for every dot and you can survive a 10 with no healing during the dot

On an 11 I've lived 3 dots with no healer with d stance, sr, victory rush, heal pot and dbts rotating

[balmy kindle]

gonna try staying closer maybe, cant VR if i am far off

[livid cloak]

Why would you be far off?

[balmy kindle]

like i am mostly concerned killing my own tank

[livid cloak]

The lines will either be parallel or perpendicular. Just go to the side

If the boss is middle of a clock and tank is at 12, go to 3 or 9

Works every time

Also you can cleave down the bloods for vr resets

That fight is not a hard warrior fight

Leap makes that fight nice for warrior bc you never need a puddle and you can get almost full boss uptime

Sweeping strikes and cleave down bloods and get IV resets and live

[balmy kindle]

I think i just have to ply closer and trust that

tank is going move

[livid cloak]

No

Tank shouldn't move

Just stand to the side

The lines are very obvious where they are going

[balmy kindle]

basically do this

thanks for the tips, gonna try them next time lol (srs hate ara kara though, would rather do SV)

[livid cloak]

👍 gl

[astral talon]

3 more 12s for all 12s done

and i just started to hate EB

xD

back to battlelord

[livid cloak]

I got 3 done yesterday, gb mists and nw

Will see if I can get some more next week

I keep getting nw13 keys lol

[tacit crystal]

i have a 12 gb but i cba pugging it

[livid cloak]

Did it yesterday, was surprisingly straight forward and simple

[tacit crystal]

yeah but pugging and not pugging

is a worlds apart

[livid cloak]

I feel like Ara Kara and dawnbreaker will be pretty simple

If I can ever get the keys

[tacit crystal]

the more i play with the paladin and priest we played with before

the less i want to pug

oh yeah dawn is so free

have you played with the paladin when hes tanking

or just ret

[livid cloak]

Ret

[tacit crystal]

ive never played with a better tank

maybe 1 guy who was in ID

did you know that bubble is basically 40s as prot pala

i see these pugs hold bubble for entire keys

like wtf

[livid cloak]

Idk anything about paladin

[tacit crystal]

that class is so overtuned

[finite wasp]

i think the biggest issue with ret is that it's to versatile

[astral talon]

doing cot 12

15min before 3rd boss O_O

[livid cloak]

I really don't like city of threads

[astral talon]

same

ok 14min

O_O

tight

[livid cloak]

Just the whole dungeon is not that fun

The 3rd boss is okay, but the other 3 aren't that fun

And the trash between boss 1 and 2 is miserable

[halcyon valve]

You just go afk between boss 1 and 2

And then theres like 3 years of rp

STOP TALKING LET ME HIT BOSS

[livid cloak]

The 4th boss is interesting, but it feels like the mechanics are just a bit too quick

Boss 1 and 2 are just not fun imo

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[halcyon valve]

Boss 1: yuck
Boss 2: ok
Boss 3: fine
Boss 4: actually interesting

[astral talon]

and deplete

[halcyon valve]

Also hehehe just spell reflect on last boss

[livid cloak]

Boss 2 would be better without the jumps

[astral talon]

tank died on 3rd boss

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[halcyon valve]

Damn rip

[nova marsh]

You can make them jot move

If the entire group is in on it and baits the wall

[livid cloak]

No, they will still jump to the fixed spot after dashing

And be slightly too spread

[tacit crystal]

after they go to fixed

[nova marsh]

Yeah that shit is still annoying

[astral talon]

after 3rd dash

but you dont get dashes

[tacit crystal]

you just go to next closest wall

[astral talon]

only teleport

[nova marsh]

I still depise jumpy bosses

[livid cloak]

But you could also just not have that entire sequence

And the boss would be fine

[tacit crystal]

i agree

but its playable

[livid cloak]

It is

Just not that fun

Imo

[vale gorge]

I'm playing Enhancement atm to compare, and my god it's so fucking simple compare to Colossus. The burst pahse is just ON fucking button spam.

[astral talon]

city overall is dogshit dungeon

[tacit crystal]

i agree

[astral talon]

worst of all

well

worst yet

[steep osprey]

true

[livid cloak]

Its my least favorite in the pool. I don't mind the others

[astral talon]

inb4 we get this next

s2 here we gooooooooooooooo

[tacit crystal]

it feels impossible to do that key without coordinating cds because everything hurts

[astral talon]

then they can throw a bit of

to the mix

maybe this

[tacit crystal]

what if

we brought back

[livid cloak]

I wish they would revert the kick changes

[tacit crystal]

fall and rise

[astral talon]

they were actually decent keys

so i wouldn't mind that

[tacit crystal]

whta were s2 dungeons again?

[halcyon valve]

I wish people would stop stunning mobs that im about to interrupt

[eager sigil]

this isnt even that bad compared to some new dungeons

[astral talon]

arakara is fine except last boss

its kinda annoying to play

as melee at least

dawnbreaker is great

stonevault is cool too

[dim basalt]

Making almost every ranged spec bad with just one change kek

[halcyon valve]

Yeah ara kara endboss is melee unfriendly unless youre a dk lmao

[frosty warren]

I do 10s to make myself feel good about myself. Not because I can't get into 12s

[livid cloak]

All ranged meta comps in df beg to disagree with you

[dim basalt]

Didn't the kick changes come with TWW tho

Or are we talking about different changes

[naive sage]

Delete this

[astral talon]

[hazy flower]

@dull siren

wya

[eager sigil]

holy

[hazy flower]

g

[dull siren]

Don't worry

[hazy flower]

g

[dim basalt]

And I thought I had a high ilvl with 634.6

[remote ledge]

as a low 626, still can't beat them

db 11

slayer cos it SLAPS

[astral talon]

all my homies like demolish

[remote ledge]

ill try it one day but idk i like not having the button

we prolly beat them in 12+

[silk spade]

no rash cloak

L

[boreal quartz]

no mythic egg??

[thorn token]

arms pumping in mdi sheeeeeeeeeesh

[boreal quartz]

ofc

[thorn token]

for once in 10 years

[boreal quartz]

wdym

tmy litterally did last week

[midnight mural]

arms does quite alot of dam

[dull siren]

nop

[dull siren]

dw I told my kitten @midnight kraken to go it

he was about to give up on us

[boreal quartz]

wallifetech saviour of skyhold

son of tmychaddingx

[runic pagoda]

Save some bitches for the rest of us bro

[warped spade]

The problem with arms is too much of the damage comes from bleeds and those don't scale down. So it's meh in small pulls and giga in big pulls

[midnight kraken]

[tacit crystal]

hi wallife

[warped spade]

No, no. Arms is good

[warped spade]

I just mean if you pug and tank pulls pack to pack you probably won't be top dam

[boreal quartz]

@midnight krakenare u causing the breaks or smth else

4th sound design of the weekend

[warped spade]

Even if you would with a tank pulling multiple

[west wasp]

Im stuck at 910k Dps as arms in but in execute i do 1.42 million :3 any tips would be great

[dire hinge]

if you have links to your raid logs, post them in #449510248579858432 and someone can take a look and give some advice 👍

[west wasp]

Okie :3

❤️

[forest dove]

does anyone else constantly lose their target when right clicking to turn their camera and accidentally targeting a friendly??? is there a way to like.. disable targeting via right click?

[sacred zodiac]

right clicking a friendly does not target them

[forest dove]

it does for me

tested heavily

im doing it right now in dorn

[sacred zodiac]

im currently right clicking my guildies and it does not target them

is your mouse double pressing?

[astral talon]

does same shit for me

targets

[forest dove]

naw, im very intentionally clicking once to test especially

[astral talon]

but

[sacred zodiac]

im confused what you want

[astral talon]

its only if i click and release

[sacred zodiac]

if you right click once that will target

[astral talon]

click and turn doesnt do that

so, whats the issue

turning doesnt target them

[forest dove]

so like.. it does

if i release the click when im still on them

what I want, is to not have right clicking ever target anything

I want that to only be for turning my camera

I think I also just click a lot on my screen, I hold down my right button a lot when im mashing buttons, because I use a 12 button mouse

so in general, I just want right click to not target

ahh okay, there's an addon for it: Right Click Modifier

solved

[sacred zodiac]

i dont think you can disable this behaviour

[forest dove]

^

[sacred zodiac]

king

[forest dove]

yeahhhhh! changed my damn life haha

[cobalt sinew]

what should i drop if i want ignore pain

[sacred zodiac]

fbv but can i please very strongly urge you to not do that

[cobalt sinew]

sure

i feel like im made out of tissue paper that has been left sitting in a puddle of water for a week

[silk tangle]

How does arms feel at the moment in terms of rage generation and playstyle? And how does arms damage compare to fury damage?

[quaint otter]

Dont u transfer it from a dw leech thingy?

[sacred zodiac]

IP won't help thjat

go talent it and look how big the shield actually is in comparison to how much you spend on it lol

[minor gust]

press spell reflect and defensive stance more

[reef glade]

big colossal man fan

[minor gust]

colo in keys big fun

[quaint otter]

Defstance is hidden technic for most warriors

[minor gust]

[minor gust]

hurrr durr but I lose dmg when I press Dstance why would I wanna do that

[quaint otter]

[regal wharf]

ok yeah this is actually becoming an issue

Why the fuck is my weak aura and my game desyncing

like the weak aura says that bladestorm is ready but in my hotbar it says that it has 8 seconds left of CD

[sacred zodiac]

weakauras do not handle flat cdr during increased cdr windows well

you have to either swap to actionbars for bladestorm specifically or accept that during this week it will display wrong

[teal fossil]

hekili never gets it wrong

[cobalt sinew]

tell me about stance dancing

[earnest imp]

For ST do most people get lazy with execute and just slam it on cd if you dont have any big cds?

[reef glade]

dont you like always hit execute unless you pmuch dont have rage or can send a 2 EP MS

[earnest imp]

Like to refresh juggernaut stacks you have to keep hitting it

[fresh spire]

just die and lose more than the Defence stance dps ofc

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[livid cloak]

Because of the way the weekly affix cdr

Doesn't really play well with weakauras

[minor gust]

https://www.twitch.tv/luxthos/clip/AliveOddSandpiperDoggo-gWMMnYHIGe9vqf-L
Dont mind me just showing Luxthos the power of colossus

Demolish emote when

[halcyon valve]

hit a 5.8 million cleave but it didnt crit, what a scam

but i did hit a 6 million mortal strike in raid earlier, so KEEP GAMBLING

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-genius-math-mega-brain-tek-gif-27194141

[untold pewter]

Guys, I'm really puzzled here, normally I'm good at identifying wth is going on but I was doing a log comparison after killing Kyveza today
Casts are very very similar (I did get sent out to drop orbs 3 times I believe so that was kinda shit)
But why the heck are my casts just doing low damage?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/xP72vfYrkB9bjCga/z1Ly3HwaZbYnCN48#fight=24,46&source=12,Ptz&type=damage-done

I sim 1.4m too I just can't get 1.4m, there has to be something I'm not seeing here