arms

[mint shell]

bc kinda same is u liking this log while ignoring fury had 25 secs longer in execute

it's kinda sameish

[thick kelp]

??

?????????

[mint shell]

.

[thick kelp]

Okay here is sikran

[boreal quartz]

Were you dropped

[thick kelp]

can you point me to the 7-10

difference in ST

If you want to compare ST

[fresh spire]

[thick kelp]

Please look at bosses where both specs are doing ST

[fresh spire]

Has fury chat leaked into arms again

🐒

[thick kelp]

One guy'd

[mint shell]

i mean if u sort 95% it's still obvious

but sure

[thick kelp]

why would I need to sort by 95

[mint shell]

bc u're not the guy

[thick kelp]

When I can just see the rankings

and see that both specs on ST are very close to each other

and on the only two bosses in the raid where both specs are brought for pure ST

[mint shell]

ye and arms is 7-10% ahead

[thick kelp]

they are neck to neck

[mint shell]

at 95%ile at boss dmg

[thick kelp]

Because

arms

is

brought

for boss damage

And fury for adds

[boreal quartz]

I wonder why the spec HOLDING CDs for adds

Is doing less damage to boss

Adds count for log and it's the best way to parse if you pad

SURELY they will fully go boss damage

[mint shell]

bc top arms logs aren't achieved with padding the same adds

at all xD

[boreal quartz]

Correct

You know what my guy, enjoy your 10% st diff

I gain nothing proving you wrong

[mint shell]

i mean u can't prove me wrong, i'm just saying where i got that info from

which is 95% boss dmg in nerubar mythic

[thick kelp]

Which is a raid with 6bosses where fury is brought to kill the adds so the rest of the 19 people can kill the boss

[boreal quartz]

I can but i cba

[thick kelp]

Man

[boreal quartz]

Cuz you seem lobotomized irl

[mint shell]

im not xD but i iunderstand

[fresh spire]

Just wait for fury mains to go full st and the logs will be close even on boss dps. But prideful padder spec won't ever do that smh

[mint shell]

read the whole convo

and mby u will

[astral yarrow]

lobotomy was somehow used in denmark through the 70s

which is insane to me

[thick kelp]

Explains the state of danish warrior players then

nobody born after 70s plays this game from that country

[astral yarrow]

ayo

not wrong

but ayo

[thick kelp]

[astral yarrow]

danish medicine is the most stuck in the past thing

even worse than germans unironically using fax still

[boreal quartz]

Oi

[astral yarrow]

sorry, füchsenmaschinenslüssel

[slow saddle]

i mean ofc

everytime we buy some kind of stupid system

it never works

[midnight mural]

why u feeding this troll ol

[strange perch]

Swedish medical personal - hold my beer

[fresh spire]

[median scroll]

[atomic mountain]

i feel offended XD

[astral yarrow]

[steep osprey]

[strange perch]

[opal kelp]

Guys playing colossus

Executioner Precision or Battlelord for m+?

[steep osprey]

I say battlelord

[boreal quartz]

EP better

Blord only really for dawnbreaker or no shaman

[thick kelp]

Play both

[balmy kindle]

Drop what then

[wanton sierra]

1bb

[balmy kindle]

But bleed dmg is alot though

Like it's 4th

[thick kelp]

bb is like 1% per point

[opal kelp]

And no uproar? thats right?

[thick kelp]

it aint much

[wanton sierra]

no uproar? pick what instead?

[opal kelp]

guides says to get Blademaste TOrment

But i felt like, upror irs nice, a lot of uptime

[thick kelp]

you can play both

depends how your tank is pulling

[wanton sierra]

dots are not out greatest dam, but it keeps tickin... to press TR one or twice on packs is very big deal

[thick kelp]

and your talents too

[boreal quartz]

It's moreso if you tr every other pack

Or all packs

[thick kelp]

If your tank is nice you can still TR everypack without uproar

[opal kelp]

can u link me a suggestion of tree then ?

[boreal quartz]

Every big dam pack

[balmy kindle]

My fren : hmm why is your spec all

Yes sir it's all now

[tender ermine]

Cos cleave go brrrr

[boreal quartz]

Hate cleave

Miss sos jugg with big dn

[tender ermine]

To be fair I prefer cleave to whirlwind

[opal kelp]

that ideia of ST and big cleave dmg, is any good in overral dmg of m+?

[tender ermine]

I always felt WW feels like ass

[boreal quartz]

Wirldwin is 360 @crystal spruce

SOS ww banged

[balmy kindle]

Df S2 was kind of dank

Sos ww doing some major dmg

[boreal quartz]

It did big fuck dam all of df

[balmy kindle]

No cleave also meant less bloat

[thick kelp]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOAUVFRFQhUVKSUUBAOVVEFURFlQkVQFQCFFEFVVUBR From my most recent ara-kara

[balmy kindle]

Sorry only played S2 as war

[boreal quartz]

S3 was funny set

Sd clap

S4 you just did actual damage

Like rlly fat dam

[balmy kindle]

Lol sadeg missed all of em

[astral yarrow]

i think S3 set would've been cool if we had the stacking SD we do now

[thick kelp]

Got punished for the sins of s4

[boreal quartz]

Yea

[astral yarrow]

having to insta send SD for fear of overwriting it sucks

[boreal quartz]

Ye they need to bring back clap sd

Soo badly

[boreal quartz]

And the ppaww execute rota

[thick kelp]

noo

[astral yarrow]

so happy that died with s4

[boreal quartz]

I did rlly like no ravager no bs tho

Just vibes

Tho fatality aint ideal

[tender ermine]

Thunder Clap execute went hard, i miss that shit

Smack so hard with execute I cause a Thunder Clap? Felt cool

[livid cloak]

Man that shaman was really good lol. And everything was dying so fast I couldn't ramp. I'd be finally ready to start cleaving and he'd be at 8 mil dps and pack at 15 percent

I was like tails chasing sonic

[slow saddle]

Just replace juggernaut with this

Buff baseline execute

[thorn pelican]

hes 608 ilvl 1 week old character

he'll win soon

[balmy kindle]

Warriors despair

[halcyon valve]

SoS whirlwind with collateral stacks 🤤

[fresh spire]

Pressing clap/rend in cds when sd could be applying rend for us

[steep osprey]

s3 pls

[random ridge]

Definitely not

[boreal quartz]

I dont rend in cs even if it runs out

#fightback #fuckaug

[olive nest]

#fuckaug

[tender ermine]

Arms exclusive, give us something cool just for arms

[thorn pelican]

arms reap the storm should leave little arms behind on the ground that bladestorm when you do

and extra arms should come out of your back when u avatar

[warped ether]

They should just make rend passive

Make it apply with auto attacks or some shit

[thick kelp]

Crits from AA make the target bleed

and take 10% increased crit damage when bleeding

[fringe moon]

Or remove rend and increase the damage of deep wounds?

[atomic mountain]

[atomic mountain]

stacking up to 5 times or if you use spell x it insta deals all dmg from dot and remove it

[uneven yacht]

do i need to track lethal blows seperately or can i assume martial prowess stacks = lethal blows or is thta not good enough

[thorn pelican]

im okay with the class i just want more arms tbh

[modest carbon]

Honestly, I'm okay-ish with how Arms plays now that we can play BL+EB. Is it the best version? No, not even close. Is it the worse? No, not anymore. Are there changes I would do? Yes, loads. But it feels okay-ish

[midnight mural]

Like 7-10% more arms would be nice

[thorn pelican]

or nerf fury to have 7-10% less arms

seems more like blizzards M.O.

[subtle fjord]

what does this BL+EB build look like

[modest carbon]

Well, I'm talking from an M+ view point, but this #arms message

[subtle fjord]

oh cool. thanks

[steep osprey]

Mists 10

My demolish crit on ingra

[boreal quartz]

Yet you cut out the part where we could see the crit

Idiotus

[steep osprey]

it's 15m

[ripe quartz]

Do you see some kind of "visual lag" since you click an abbility until this one goes in cd?

especially with mortal strike

[boreal quartz]

Do you mean the GCD?

[ripe quartz]

Nope

I mean i click ms and like 500ms pass until it uses ms

[errant iris]

can someone tell me what i should craft first

pls

[boreal quartz]

Weapon

[errant iris]

tyty

embellishment on it or no

[boreal quartz]

Yea

[sacred zodiac]

@boreal quartz

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/376720269642825729/1303398510795952128/image.png?ex=672b9bf4&is=672a4a74&hm=57b222d7e2d7cf46eb4d78130fb31345d6c7c87ca6c7641bed07bdf54e794efc&

[boreal quartz]

[halcyon valve]

juicy

[remote ledge]

i have had 11M mortal strikes on mist

without aug

[chrome bramble]

Damn @remote ledge big boi crits! What’s your crit % and ilvl?

[edgy solstice]

15 mil demo and 14 mil ms in my last mists

[steep osprey]

Just did my first hc court as colossus to try it out

idk not bad i guess

for first time

[steep osprey]

#arms message same

[fresh spire]

I'm just about to arrive at frost plannet

[remote ledge]

622, around 11k crit iirc
I play slayer

[thick kelp]

Start stacking crit there too buddy

[remote ledge]

Me?

[thick kelp]

Yerp

Fierce followthrough sims better than opportunist and pushes this spec to reach for Crit too

[remote ledge]

I have dawnbkreaker and siege haste / crit rings

But I have the very rare haste neck in 619, that might be why I have like 16k haste

Should I aim for the 4k crit neck instead?

[boreal quartz]

Doesnt for me yet sadge

[thick kelp]

Let me show u a cheat

This on slayer

sims better for me

which lead to FF simming higher too

Pilav xD

[thick kelp]

Keep the haste neck since its very bis

if u have sikran neck u mean

[boreal quartz]

I have that

[remote ledge]

Let me log back to actually check it

[thick kelp]

sim around the rings

[boreal quartz]

And it still dont sim better

But i can craft Ring to gain

[thick kelp]

Holy fury stats

[boreal quartz]

Fuck ton of crit

[remote ledge]

Yes sikrzn but normal mode, 619 only

[boreal quartz]

I have 9k crit 9k mast in fury gear bro

[boreal quartz]

I have hast/mast for now

[thick kelp]

wtf

[boreal quartz]

Can prolly ffa it to crit mast if sim says so

Bro i want vers crit ring on jah

[thick kelp]

Vers ??

[boreal quartz]

I dont change 1 item between arm and fury gear

Xdd

[boreal quartz]

As cooked as possiblw

[thick kelp]

astronomically cookd

But playing slayer without opportunist

is so fresh

almost enjoying it over colossus

[remote ledge]

was does it change gameplay wise

ms on cd in exec phase ?

[thick kelp]

no

[steep osprey]

ret angle?

[thick kelp]

it just lets you press MS on CD before execute

[steep osprey]

[thick kelp]

and dont need to play around opport

[boreal quartz]

I mean

Opport aint ideal

But it's not turbo horrible

[thick kelp]

yeah as arms

it isnt that horrid

Simming gems + recrafts

how is it this horrid

[minor gust]

yee FF and BF sim better for me on slayer aswell

[remote ledge]

they dont for me at least in dungeon slice

and warlord torment is 7% loss

oh wiat that was in no jugg build my bzd

[minor gust]

dungeon slice simming is bad

not worth your time

[hazy flower]

sim st

apply logic

win

[tacit crystal]

have you read what the schizos type

or?

[hazy flower]

can also do a 10t sim for funsies to check some stuff but dont take it too seriously

[remote ledge]

it is a loss in 5T

simming 1t to check

identical ST

I'll stay with simple and stupid slayer aoe. I do enjoy it

[fresh spire]

i think i got even less mastery in fury gear

[minor gust]

my fury gear is so fucked rn Shard sims higher for me on ST than Queens

[icy mulch]

Mastery is pretty big. Now if you have a lot of vers, the trinket might pull ahead.

[gaunt matrix]

+9 NW (:

[slow saddle]

Dont use that name

Will make it true

[candid pecan]

damn

get rekt Bigjefe and Hakwani

[icy mulch]

Now that I have a mythic weapon I might run some keys as Arms again.

[winter verge]

so theres no secondary stats on the wrath but does the equip effect make up for it?

[tacit crystal]

its good in st

instantly loses as soon as second target

[winter verge]

ty

[steep osprey]

those talents good?

[fathom shoal]

That is some next level editing

[gaunt owl]

top tier lvl

[thorn pelican]

this true?

[regal socket]

FINALLY

[gaunt owl]

you missed pandaria remix ?

[regal socket]

yea

[steep osprey]

GZ

[regal socket]

do i just have to go orc heritage armor

to have a matching mog

[verbal pivot]

Maghar orc

[regal socket]

oh i got them confused

is that the one wiith the harness

[faint blade]

any opinion if I'm better off with Befouler's Syringe or Anub'Arash Collosal Mandible? Both Hero track. I play more mythic plus

[boreal quartz]

sloppers stay winning :)

[regal socket]

WHO was gonan tell me they made a new gorehowl?

can you still get this from dawn?

[boreal quartz]

ye

[austere venture]

dog i just had a 596 arms warrior clear almost top dps in a +7

what happened to arms

[fervent glen]

I see sweeping strikes still has no animation for tauren, whadya think the chances are they fix it within the xpac?

[regal socket]

are there any non maghar orc chest pieces that are similar to the heritage armor? like the harness

to match tusks

[shadow ibex]

The gladiator chest piece you can get on the post right now

[regal socket]

😮

[shadow ibex]

🤢 vault

[slow saddle]

Bis ring?

Crit- mastery no?

[remote ledge]

This implies colossus 🤢

[slow saddle]

M+

I mean i suck at it🫡

I usually do 2 key

[remote ledge]

Chads play slayer

[slow saddle]

Back to thane

Nah slayer on arms is worse

Might as well play fury slayer then

Plays way better

[remote ledge]

[minor gust]

Ringworm is a 1.5% increase for my fury set

[shadow ibex]

we are past brood so idrc about fury set

and icba to optimize it for an aoe fight

[minor gust]

your planning to play arms for queen?

[shadow ibex]

i did fine with arms gear. we probably shoulda dropped an aoe dps tho

[raven ridge]

Are some trinkets in raidbots incorrect or is it a tooltip error? Stats are wildly different than in game

[devout pewter]

did we just get a stealth buff in that we don't pull out our weapon when using heroic leap?

[frigid cipher]

saw someone talking about that a few days ago. Not sure when it happened

[frigid cipher]

Raidbots tooltips are usually very off. It will sim correctly

[devout pewter]

I think the tooltip just pulls one version, usually the basic one, instead of the one you chose. which is why certain old dungeon items now in m+ appear blue instead of epic.

[vagrant hull]

I'm going to craft a weapon because I can't get a mythic track one to drop. Is the Everforged Greataxe better than the Charged Claymore for any reason? Can't really tell

[frigid cipher]

All crafted weapons are the same only difference is the cost to make them

[thorn pelican]

and technically the damage range but i dont think that has any real effect on anything

dps is all the same

[devout pewter]

The looks!

[prisma heart]

Some abilities used to use the high end damage number for calculations or something but I don't think it does that anymore (idk if what I'm saying ever really happened I just have a vague memory)

[balmy kindle]

blizzard actually gave smth

[wide ember]

are the builds in faq up to date?

[dreamy egret]

good thing I did not do any keys this week lol

I woulda been pissed

[regal socket]

cant quite find a set that fits tusks

normal darazalor isnt bad

[plucky mortar]

As someone who doesn't raid mythic or high keys it's been great getting both this and Sureki Zealots from the GV

[halcyon valve]

Average night elf transmog experience

[dire hinge]

ive been enjoying the explorers set with them tbh

lemme log in and find a pic

[devout pewter]

Just use the ones on wowhead, they're fine

[shadow ibex]

im trying to make a Skull Knight xmog

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-skull-knight-anime-hug-mangal-war-my-beloved-gif-24542477

[devout pewter]

anyone ever tried running battlelord+fatality instead of EP as colossus? Am simming it right now and... it looks to be better...

(5 target 5 min sim seems to favor no fatality though)

[icy mulch]

That's a lot of rings.

[shadow ibex]

popping fatality in aoe sounds cursed as colossus

[fossil thistle]

Should I be saving ravager for after SS to benefit from the incite stacks on my first cleave

or just send it

[shadow ibex]

cleave is gonna apply stacks to things u gonna have to hunt down and execute for a free slam in DMG per stack and exe aint cheap

[fossil thistle]

yea i've been tabbing for execute stacks

Just wasn't sure for MBG

[shadow ibex]

SS before ravager because sweeping ravager gives more stacks

can sweeping after 1 tick i guess since every other is unhinged tick so you got 1 tick where it wont matter but that optimization is probably pointless

[fossil thistle]

okay then send demolish after, ideally as im still spamming cleave

[shadow ibex]

u get 10 stacks fast

[fossil thistle]

well SS doesn't cleave unhinged anymore doesn't it?

[shadow ibex]

no but u get x2 demo stacks as if it did

[fossil thistle]

ah ok

[shadow ibex]

its bugged

but we take those

[fossil thistle]

working as intended*

[devout pewter]

I'd be inclined to try it more than I want to play with EP on colossus lmao
But just grabbing Battlelord feels kinda fun, with EB you have more MS/Cleave up than anything else, might even be able to drop EB for something else if one likes

[shadow ibex]

BL is an easy pick up since we have floaty points

but going for fatal over EP may seem nice but now try popping those fatal stacks in aoe. not that EP is super useful in aoe since affording exe is rough

but iehter way ur gonna have to afford them

if fatal mark just popped by itself at 30% would be different but ur gonna have to spend the rage to get it and each stack is like ~1 free slam in dmg mitigated by armor

[devout pewter]

yep, that explains rather easily why fatality dropped off in the aoe sim

[shadow ibex]

needs to be an auto pop + a bleed

so it ignores armor and gets buffed by bloodborne

[wispy forge]

might be a dumb question to ask, but how come all of the top arms logs have mastery/haste as their substats when most guides say crit haste is the best for arms?

[halcyon valve]

They hate gambling

[devout pewter]

Probably because most of them switched from Fury to Arms, and Furys mainstat is mastery

[wispy forge]

i looked at like 15 of the top arms parses and they were all haste/mastery

it cant be that all of them were simply fury until then

[devout pewter]

hell yeah, fatality being another bleed with an extra debuff that stacked depending on how long it's been on there, similar to curse of agony from locks... sounds kinda nice.

Either way, until my sims say something different, I'll drop EP for Battlelord, as I really don't like EP as colossus. Maybe grab Fatality on ST heavy dungeons, who knows.

[shadow ibex]

you can grab BL pretty easily without dropping EP

is pretty standard i think

[devout pewter]

yea, i know, that drops BB tho 😮

let me try that though, curious now, didn't really think of that when I tested

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fauMp63ukcA6QKKLQmnxRs

Is actually worse than no EP 2 bb

(on 5 targets tho, where BB is obviously stronger)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e51N6wfUk8ou5n5311oP4D

For ST EP + Battlelord pulls ahead slightly... but overall it's all not by much so I feel like it's more down to what you like more to play with. Which is awesome

[manic bear]

Hi guys May I know is fury or arms the best build for pvp?

[devout pewter]

Might want to ask in the PvP channel for that

[manic bear]

ok

sorry

[devout pewter]

no problem 😄

[manic bear]

anyway is arms back to par with fury in M+?

[devout pewter]

there's probably someone who can answer you that, but it's more likely over there. From what I've gathered they're both okay

yes

[manic bear]

Like arms in M+

[fading vine]

Mandate in the vault this week let's fucking gooooooo

[balmy kindle]

Mastery is a must if you wanna flex fury and arms doesn't scale that poorly with mastery too

[regal socket]

does anyone know of any gear that looks like the marhar heriitage armor?

to go wiith susks

tusks

the new trading post chest is decent

[quaint otter]

shoulders day

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[minor gust]

shouldering the burdens of furys sins

[quaint otter]

Furrys*

[desert silo]

hey, is there any wa for tracking colossal might?

[quaint otter]

can share my monk wa that tracks totm therefore need to change spell id for colossal might

[split sleet]

hi guys, just after a bit of advice on what to pick from GV. I have a veteran ara kara, and a champion tier shoulder to pick from. currently 2/4 tier with 3 charges of catalyst left

[fresh sierra]

Just hit 2806 io 💪🏼

[quaint otter]

💪

OWNS

[spark vigil]

I need some advice gamers. I can take Skarmorak trinket in myth track and change it with my transmitter in 626 or i can take gem what would be best?

[spark vigil]

Without more info both are fairly easy to require through dungeons and i would prob try to get socket, but otherwise i would go with shoulders, since getting sacbrood In champion is really easy

[rain cipher]

Is there an issue with the sim? Fury sims higher than Arms .. Same gear resulted Arms higher than Fury 2 days ago.

Also, I dropped Uproar and had Warlord’s Torment. My sim is higher.

[manic lion]

Hey guys, is it difficult to change from fury to arms? Do i need to change the gear stats, and other things? Is arms good to pve?

[balmy kindle]

Maybe more crit will be better but haste masterys fine

[solar quarry]

Anyone got surekis neck and has any idea the uptime on vers buff?

[thick kelp]

Randomly checking a log with that, its sitting at 52%

[solar quarry]

That’s decent

I just checked our last raid too and our tank had it 52%

So that seems right

[dreamy ice]

Should I kms if I just got the meat hook trinket

[astral yarrow]

i dont think thats a valid reason to end it tbh but who am i to judge

[thick kelp]

People have done it for less

[silent flame]

guys with all the options

im so conflicted

what do i chose?

[astral yarrow]

🧦

[silent flame]

I mean i have vet shoulders

so im taking the tier

i just thought i did a raid on this alt this week

guess i didht
i have the face shoudlers

[dreamy ice]

Guys I don’t want meathook please help

[silent flame]

Fun fact

the shoulders have faces on them

which explains the horns

[tame crag]

so lads quick question, im torn between sub rogue and arms warrior for an alt. I have a warbound queen ring(only vet 😦 though). Not sure who to send this too.

I like both classes, I prefer arms over fury, but anyone have any experience in both this current season, and if so any insight?

[slow saddle]

Big shoulders ❤️

[astral talon]

i have similar thing

colossus sims like 80k higher than slayer for me

when slayer was 100k ahead few days ago

[steep osprey]

I noticed that first thing lol

[silent flame]

Ive said it to 2 people

in guild

and neither knew

[steep osprey]

thoughts

[astral talon]

weapon if you doint have weapon i guess

or sim yourself

[steep osprey]

ok

it most likely weapon since I don't have a myth one

[royal escarp]

Hello, for ulgrax and ovinax what do you play colosus m+ spec or multitarget slayer ???

[astral yarrow]

check wcl for the best performers on those bosses

[royal escarp]

Okay

[pearl basin]

is warbreaker still ass compared to blunt instruments in m+?

[paper summit]

are rings limited on embelishments?

[dreamy ice]

budddy

arms warrior

[paper summit]

cant find a good resource

[dreamy ice]

rogue is like so booger

sin is omega boring

outlaw is smash 4 buttons 500 times a minute

and sub is beast but you are a limp booger stew pizza burger outside of cds

@tame crag ttrust me im yodas brother

[slow saddle]

Do we play fierce followtrhough these days?

[thick kelp]

depends

sim it

[slow saddle]

imma go on gut feeling and try it

😄

MAKE WARLORDS TORMENT GREAT again !

ill die on this hill!

[quaint otter]

bruh

[slow saddle]

or well make it do something new

[quaint otter]

i was shocked when noticed cs doesnt give me a reck anymore

[slow saddle]

i kindda love how they rworked the AOE one

coz it would be to good in ST

never changed the ST one to be usefull in any content

[quaint otter]

but still i would love if the aoe one worked with wb too

[slow saddle]

i mean

aoe one is awesome

its just

armored to the teeth

[quaint otter]

locked to avatar

[slow saddle]

is the issue

tbh remove two weapon specialization

aura buff 5%

frees up talent everybody wins

[quaint otter]

Big cook

[slow saddle]

also make endurance training full power 1 talent

that way we can choose 10% stam or more dmg as well

[quaint otter]

or make it tier 3 talents like dk has

[slow saddle]

dk has gotten shit baseline

and utility in tree

100% best solution btw

just remove either roar or spear

or make it a choice node

[dreamy ice]

bruh can they just give demolish to slayer

[slow saddle]

NO

[dreamy ice]

and remove rend

just make execute apply rend

all the time

id bust

[slow saddle]

why?

[dreamy ice]

cause i dont want to track rend duh

[quaint otter]

u have

[slow saddle]

u always have a global

[quaint otter]

a bloodletting thingy

[slow saddle]

for it

[dreamy ice]

not me im always busting down big mortal strikes and overpowers

im too strong

[slow saddle]

i mean

[quaint otter]

💪

[slow saddle]

if u dont have to track anything

it takes away from spec

[dreamy ice]

i think tracking rend is boring

[slow saddle]

so?

[dreamy ice]

eat my boogers idk

https://tenor.com/view/batman-joker-heath-ledger-clap-clapping-gif-11060757

[slow saddle]

a thing being booring for you is a horrid argument ^_^ but fair enough

its the sks to rend interaction with speed up, thats a bit annoying ill grant u that

but tbh i just spec into TC, coz pressing tc feels great

[dreamy ice]

you think having a wa to track a bleed is so engaging right!

now come here

my boogers are ready for you

https://tenor.com/view/joker-clapping-poker-face-looking-gif-16871758

[astral yarrow]

[quaint otter]

why would u need a wa

[astral yarrow]

you good bro

[dreamy ice]

cuase i play 99.9% optimally im like flash in sc1 basically

[slow saddle]

i mean

just plater

[quaint otter]

😎

[slow saddle]

shows the debuff

on ya screen

where ya should be lookin ^_^

[dreamy ice]

plater yucky

not good for big dogs like me

[dreamy ice]

but then again i was coached by yoda and jaedong

[astral yarrow]

i swear

[dreamy ice]

so my muta micro is on point but finding the hiding booger in the pack casting arcing void is tricky

[astral yarrow]

the internet is amazing

[dreamy ice]

what

[slow saddle]

id like to know

[steep osprey]

[dreamy ice]

you dont like my bio

[slow saddle]

how did she get certified

[quaint otter]

just shockwave

[dreamy ice]

fr but what if its on cd and dinkiesduels is in the group with his buddy trumpet tony

and i having to kick the howling screech

[astral yarrow]

ask the kek guy

[dreamy ice]

oh squirting cert?

well do you know about the pistachio certificate

its similar to that where to enter big dogs mordhau duelyard you need it

[quaint otter]

[dreamy ice]

did know you guys were all noobies

but ill be your yoga coach

https://tenor.com/view/joker1-gif-5527289132228671912

[astral yarrow]

bro is a giant weirdo everywhere else as well

all is good in the world

[steep osprey]

World is healing

[dreamy ice]

stay small just keep me healed while i cast avatar and go swifty

you keep up your spinning crane kick tho

https://tenor.com/view/archie-archie-malone-archiemalone-gif-17379551416160898258

[steep osprey]

spinning crane kick without Dance

[dreamy ice]

monks gotta be the most boring class bruh

atleast ww

[astral yarrow]

lil bro woke up and chose violence lol

[steep osprey]

yeah aagaard go play your monk

[dreamy ice]

im feeling zesty

ya we are all trying to pop our cds and go swifty

we need your soothing mist buddy

(rip his pinky)

[thick kelp]

Usually these things happen in fury chat

[dreamy ice]

ya well i prefer mortal striking my foes instead

[astral yarrow]

what

[steep osprey]

LMAO

[spark vigil]

Can anyone answer me is Skarmorak trinket better than transmitter?

[dreamy ice]

what

thats not even the most bizzare shit ive ever said

thats like

normal

[astral yarrow]

and thats disturbing in itself

[steep osprey]

Transmitter is better but if you don't want to think about it pick Shard

[dreamy ice]

what is disturbing

[spark vigil]

What about 639 skar vs 626 transmitter?

[dreamy ice]

the fact my town got 20k immigrants from haiti?

[teal fossil]

thats my alt

mb bro

[dreamy ice]

and they drive like freaks and legit kill people

[steep osprey]

All the more reason to use Shard tbh

IMO

[dreamy ice]

@astral yarrow explain buddy or i get swifty and yoda

[thick kelp]

639 shard loses to 626 transmitter btw

in sim

[spark vigil]

I don't mind transmitter that much so it's purely dps for me but i am wondering if a socket would be better than the trinket?

[steep osprey]

don't care didn't ask

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[steep osprey]

that is unfortunate

[astral yarrow]

no thats Az

different person

[steep osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898695696482305/1067788916876382208/1061371856252321943.gif

[slow saddle]

yes if u are lazy no if u are god

also why the Fuck doesnt heroic just raid throw valorstones at u

so ppl cba to do that shit

[astral yarrow]

its not like you have to solve a real world puzzle to use transmitter lol

[teal fossil]

unfortunate is just edating these days

[high egret]

Can I somehow sim the earthen well fed buff?
Seeing as it's slightly higher than sec stat buff food

[broken idol]

I never played Arms before and I have a question: On Icy Veins and WoWhead in the rotation guide I see they say to use Sudden Death (Execute proc) only with three stacks of Marked for Execution.
Is that so ? It looks to me that you might loose a lot of DPS on mortal strikes due to not maxing Executioner's Precision

[teal fossil]

read it closely

you are never wasting sudden death if you follow this

[broken idol]

Thanks! I guess what confused me on WoWhead is "two stacks of Sudden Death". I thought it could only stack once ?

[teal fossil]

they made it so it can stack twice

[broken idol]

also, on Icy vein there is no mention of that:

[thick kelp]

savage roar

[teal fossil]

force of nature savage roar pls

[broken idol]

?

[thick kelp]

opportunist icon

[broken idol]

Haha !

Ok, things are much more clear now and make a lot more sense to me ! Thanks 🙂

(So... WoWhead > IcyVeins ?)

[teal fossil]

yea

[broken idol]

Oh! Also, I've read somewhere that with the last buff we'd might ditch Skullspliter entirely ?

[teal fossil]

we'll see

people will keep trying to make EB work until they sim it

[broken idol]

"EB" ? 😬

Exhilarating Blows. Got it

[boreal quartz]

HAAHAH THAT'S THE FUCKING MOP REMIX OPPRTUNIST

🎦

[dreamy ice]

i wish we could get away from this bleed booger stew shit roleplay

just give us more smashes

[strange perch]

Illusion of choice - with proper tuning we can have both bleed and smash builds as viable end-game options.
For now let us enjoy a mixture of both.

[fresh spire]

At least bb is like 2k better than eb in colossus

Personally drop bb for the more reactive gameplay

[grand bough]

Hello guys just wondering if u always hold bladestorm for colossus windows?

[slow saddle]

Cs?

[clear frigate]

Ima say it...

Colossus is fun in m+

[slow saddle]

Gathering crit gear then imma slam it!!!

[dull siren]

@fresh spire 🖕

[fresh spire]

Defo not sending you secret new techs in dms 5 mins after changes anymore

[dull siren]

I blame you for a bad vault krispi

[fresh spire]

🖕

[thick kelp]

wtf

mee too

buddy

[fresh spire]

Wahle your always first

U know this

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tXwLj2ptExBni7m13mpqmu

[thick kelp]

[dull siren]

wtb a good vault

[thick kelp]

u have one item

that u can evne loot

from vault

which you will get this week reclear

[dull siren]

Nah I need

Sacbrood Mythic

[dull siren]

We also don't reclear

we didn't reclear last week

[thick kelp]

bwoah

so u are extending on queen

or court

[dull siren]

queen

[tall flare]

anyone played around with 639 wep + dawn or dusk embelishments vs ascendance + darkmoon one?

[boreal quartz]

Sims decently ye

Was the less reliable thing to gear for

[tall flare]

ye ofc taking crafted wep early was the play

but got a bit more choice now wondering whether its worth me swapping to double thread over ascendance

[boreal quartz]

Ive had multiple ppl report it sims better for them

Give it a shot

[tall flare]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2BZf5G3VQteFJagEGZpQRh with 70% uptime its about 5k dps ahead

Dont know if its worth the 90 crests atm though ^_^

[chrome bramble]

Would you guys have any recommendations as to what mythics are better to run slayer Vs what ones are better for colossus ?

[slow saddle]

Dungeons?

Or raid?

[slow saddle]

70% seems like a lot

At least in combat

[tall flare]

ye prob is a bit high on the later bosses

[chrome bramble]

just mythic +

[livid cloak]

You can play either on any dungeon, is fine

I think colossus is probably a hard lock in Ara Kara, necrotic wake, and stonevault

But really you can just play what you want

I don't find value in the st increase from slayer. It doesn't actually seem to be that much, and colossus has bigger more consistent aoe

[mortal crag]

@dull siren

[halcyon valve]

my vault gave me nothing at all
already had 639 in the slots that were 623, and all of my stuff has sockets already too, so literally no change

[livid cloak]

Sometimes it be like that

[halcyon valve]

sigh
it is what it is...

[livid cloak]

Just means you're already geared

Take the w

[heady plover]

did arms get nerfed or smth since last week?

im simming 40k dps less now for some reason

[halcyon valve]

[balmy kindle]

Complaining when already geared

[icy mulch]

That is indeed a stacked vault.

[dull siren]

what about it

mid

vault

[silent flame]

Just saw the first ever arms in my m+ group that wasnt me

he died to the first boss of db 2 times and bricked the keyt

[remote ledge]

i already ahve mythic gloves, arakara sacbrood in mythic, and skamorak in heroic.
Sims says +1,5% in ST with void pacstone but a 0,7% aoe loss, should i go for it ? or socket...

[livid cloak]

What about with the pactstone at 639

[remote ledge]

it was with 639

1.5 in ST; -0.7 in 5T

[still fox]

socket also good choice

[remote ledge]

two sockets in a row

[livid cloak]

Yeesh that's not worth imo, just take socket and craft a 636 lol

[twilit burrow]

No front but how do you end up on 8 dungs row but not a single clear in raid

[remote ledge]

I did not play when my friend raided last Wednesday

Then I just key'd

[twilit burrow]

Ahhh fair fair

[slow saddle]

Is it wort taking 626 hc neck from vault or just craft neck?

Its neck or sockie

[faint sparrow]

What talents are you using for raid? Ones from wowhead or are there updated ones now?

[mortal crag]

bussio

[tepid citrus]

10 stacks of Might should give you 50% increase in crit chance on Demolish. Make it happen Blizz. Thanks

[boreal quartz]

Cant crit, always does more base dam

Surely

[thick kelp]

Always crits

always does more dam

:chadding

[young loom]

guys my vault is giving me BIS hands (from ovinax) or BIS legs (tier set). I still have the mark of spelunker supreme and 5 catalyst charges

I'm thinking the hands are harder to get so better go for this

they're both heroic and i only have 1 piece heroic tier set

[astral talon]

300% crit dmg on demolish to main target, 100% crit chance

make it DEMOLISH bosses

skarmorak, nice shield bro, here's 10 stacks and full CDS demolish with transmitter, and pot

[boreal quartz]

Use mark cata random other item vault gloves or some shit

[young loom]

ok thanks so better not use vault for tier set because its easier to get?

[boreal quartz]

I mean the off Piece doesnt matter at HC ilvl

Ngl

[slow saddle]

Would be nice

Not 100% crit chance

Need some gamba

[rich kernel]

So I main spec prot but I do like playing arms as my prefered dps. For mythic plus the guides saying to take Blunt Instruments instead of Warbreaker and generally say to use slayer instead of colossus , but looking at the data of top arms in m+, colossus is used, as well as Warbreaker. I get that colossus does more damage overall and I enjoy it more, but what's the deal with Warbreaker?

[astral talon]

you do BIG aoe burst

warbreaker helps A LOT with big aoe burst

thus you take warbreaker

at the end of the dungeon, it will provide you with more damage than blunt

blunt is good on ST, which in dungeons is usually 8-11min

and the diff is not heaven and earth

[nimble yoke]

well before the buffs warbreaker wasnt very good right

[astral talon]

ye cuz you didn't play colossus in m+

now you do, and it provides more

[nimble yoke]

just wish colossus did more st damage in m+

i feel so worthless whenever we get to aboss lol

[rich kernel]

oh did warbreaker get buffed? I just started playing this season last week so I haven't looked at any of that stuff

[nimble yoke]

but yea 30% crit dmg on main target and 10% crit chance per stack would go crazy ngl

[young loom]

yeah but until then i have heroic. its either i get the gloves off set heroic because they're harder to get while i can get the legs with cata or mark but i'll have 1 tier piece champion and gloves heroic or i save 1 cata and get the tier legs heroic but then champion bad gloves

[astral talon]

it does decent ST dmg

not #1 dmg, but on pure ST its nearing 1mil for me

[nimble yoke]

yea i mean according to my sims i can just press N switch to fury and do comparable aoe and significantly more ST

a bit sadge

[astral talon]

well, go for it ;D

right now arms is for arms enthusiasts

if you want to just do more dmg, go fury

[nimble yoke]

ive been playing both anyways

[astral talon]

its also simpler rotation and you don't get annoyed with stacks

[nimble yoke]

and it's tankier

[astral talon]

that fall off if tank takes a 1min break between pulls

[rich kernel]

So warbreaker instead of Blunt Instruments?

[astral talon]

for colossus, yes

in m+

[nimble yoke]

so all i'm saying is that it'd be nice if they made arms a bit stronger in these things lol

[rich kernel]

thanks

[astral talon]

arms is quite tanky tho

you're not DK level tanky

[muted plaza]

Is it me or are those arms M+ builds in the faq channel not up to date for the current patch?

[astral talon]

but its still fairly good, you just need to use defensives well

[nimble yoke]

you're not fury level tanky either lol

[astral talon]

ye

[nimble yoke]

but yea warr overall definitely tanky class

cant argue w/ that between SR and dstance

[astral talon]

but you're not gonna be dying on 10s or 12s or 13s if you use your defensives

[nimble yoke]

also wishing we had a way to deal with last week's affix

other than dogshit bitter immunity

[astral talon]

bitter immunity

IV kinda

[nimble yoke]

make IV clear effects

[astral talon]

not every class can deal with it, and not every class should imo

[dusty summit]

Anyone here that plays with broodtwister trinket? Is it as good as it sims?

[valid flame]

Curious too, because can’t figure out how it possibly sims that high over a few others

[brittle agate]

guys, does sweeping strikes affect cleave?

[boreal quartz]

Yesnt

The slam you get from fervor of battle gets swept

[remote ledge]

In 2T is cleave > overpower during sweep? To fish for reap procs

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[nova marsh]

just normal ST is probally better in ST with sweeping

With cleave as a last restort filler instead of slam

Granted, this ALSO assumes you do not have MP stacks

[forest dove]

Play with trash players and you’ll always be on top

[nova marsh]

I mean

That dps of urs isn't exactly high either

[forest dove]

Read the caption again 😬

Hahaha

609ilvl too, workin on it

[nova marsh]

Oh that's not bad for low ilvl

[burnt lake]

bro pulled out his samsung for this

[forest dove]

The bigger thing is I’m learning col, I was playing slayer for a long time

[forest dove]

Damn right, had to send it to my girlfriend so she’d see I’m a capable man

She doesn’t know that’s mid dps

[faint sparrow]

You all using the wowhead talents still or do we have updated ones I can find somewhere?

[nova marsh]

wowhead ones are fine

we have some other builds here but they're okay

[wanton ravine]

I mean, should we be colo in M+? Im using slayer an cleave which is working okay. Some pulls Im top, others Im not. Overall Im where I need to be with the rest of the players in the M+.

[faint sparrow]

more concerned with raid talents

[burnt lake]

cleave is so much more nutty with colo build

[nova marsh]

both are viable

Slayer almost died, but both are perfectly fine

Slayer is just more of a jack of all trades as oppose to colo which is more 2 targ/aoe focused

[burnt lake]

you'll generally get better overall dps with colo. but slayer could be good for comps that need more ST

[nova marsh]

ye

[wanton ravine]

Thats kind of what I notice. I can mostly keep up in AOE though against pallies and shammies I am SERIOUSLY lacking but on ST fights I mostly destroy them on damage, encounter dependent of course.

[burnt lake]

for me, taking battlelord helps the single target. mortal strike hits hard enough to warrant it

[zealous hemlock]

Is the sweeping strike animation change a bug or was it intended? Also is there a way to get the old execute animation back? I thought it only changed if you specced into massacre but right now it seems to always use the Condemn animation

[grand bough]

Hi guys just wondering whats better for m+ atm slayer or colossus?

[scarlet spade]

m+ with slayer with cleave

not?

or i wrote bad?

[grand bough]

it looks like pretty much everyone at the top or raider io is playing slayer atm in m+?

[devout pewter]

Both are fine

Theres barely any difference between them that matters for the average joe

[flat willow]

well not sure where you checked but there seemed to be a lot of colossus for m+ last time I did

[sick gazelle]

ya i feel like if you have to ask then it doesnt matter

you should play what you want

youre already playing arms...

[scarlet spade]

only think, becasue i played with colo too and i less damage than others dps D:

[wanton ravine]

I think we should all no matter what just CLEAVE MOAR!

[devout pewter]

Yeah that's a good measure tbh. There's no way it matters what you play if you have to ask what you have to play to be better. I know for myself what is better and it doesnt even matter for me. Considering the top runs, it doesnt matter up to 14s

[forest dove]

lol

[charred olive]

I do not know how viable colossus arms is as I’m just leveling during the event but holy sh*t I love this spec.

[devout pewter]

That could be several reasons, but I doubt your specc is one of them. Play what you're comfortable with and most importantly have fun with and you'll automatically get better

[devout pewter]

Thats reason enough to keep playing as that 😄

[charred olive]

So true.

[livid cloak]

I am really intrigued by the 1 guy who plays jugg and is rank 1

It looks like a pure raid spec everytime I look him up, just blows my mind

With tclap

[scarlet spade]

who is?

[warped ether]

It’s pretty decent

You just hyper focus one target and send it

And swap to targets at 35%

[burnt lake]

does anyone have a link to his talents?

[warped ether]

Just go raid build with dreadnought and improved ss

Can also play it with collosus

[dire hinge]

oh talking about Gelly?

they're built different 🗿

[burnt lake]

skullspliter. oh hell no

that dude was playing colo like a few days ago

[warped ether]

If you are not doing 14s you can leave skull and roar and go spear

Big burst dam

Pretty fun actually

[livid cloak]

No some guy named peepeestrike

[dire hinge]

hehehehe

[livid cloak]

On rio his build doesn't even show cleave

[burnt lake]

busted

[dire hinge]

if you look at their highest runs they are running it for some dungeons though

looks like their highest non-cleave is a 14

[livid cloak]

Wild

[dire hinge]

spiffy still

[livid cloak]

Unless his group has huge aoe

Every time I try slayer on target dummies in dorn the dam just isn't there

Unless you go warbreaker, and at that point just do colossus

Idk

[burnt lake]

this would prolly be a 20% overall dps loss if people here do this 🤣 (not take cleave)

[livid cloak]

I try the normal slayer build ( no jugg no sd) and barely get more on st than with colossus

On a dummy

But i guess dummy doesn't really get into execute range fast

[warped ether]

The build is not meant to be top dps tough

It’s just prio target dies way sooner

So the packs feels less intimidating

For example you can blow up all the casters in sv

[devout pewter]

Btw Battlelord is really good for Colossus. And if you throw in EB in the mix youre just msing and cleaving like a badass. Fuck EP

[livid cloak]

Oh he was colossus in his best key

Bl is a loss in aoe and a minor gain in st over 2/2 bb

[devout pewter]

Just take BL with 2 BB

No EP

It sims better for me

[livid cloak]

Yeah because ep doesn't sim wrll

Test it against massacre

Bl will be a loss

As long as you have ep

[shadow ibex]

Dropping EP for BL is just super unnecessary

Killing ST even more

[devout pewter]

Its more fun tho 😄

[livid cloak]

I could see maybe dropping mbg for bl.

Maybe

[warped ether]

If you wanna see the strength of the build try it in mists

[shadow ibex]

And unless you're super doing high keys that 2nd bb rank gonna lose value as bleeds only show their strength in long big pulls

Like a minute long 8 target pull at the start of NW

But that's only lasting that long in a 14

[livid cloak]

To take what, eb?

Or battle lord

[shadow ibex]

We should probably campaign for cleave to pop EP

If blizzard wants cleave to replace MS in aoe we should have cleave popping EP as well

[livid cloak]

Idk i had a 2 mil overall in mists, no Aug with a standard colossus builds. I can't really see a jug build coming close to that

Too long in between packs, demolish burst for 1st boss

[devout pewter]

When EP wouldnt feel this aweful with Colossus I'd be more ok with it but BL just feels so much more fun. Just spamming MS or Cleave whole day long

[livid cloak]

I could only really see battle lord if you drop massacre and ep, but yhat seems like a real bad idea

[nova marsh]

For Keys?

[shadow ibex]

I'm not a fan of BL in aoe since I'm using cleave and MS back to back the occasional OP global to reset an MS thats coming up soon anyway

[devout pewter]

I don't grab massacre either so yeah thats what I'm doing

[nova marsh]

I mean colos aoe is the last thread it's hanging on, why not

[livid cloak]

Same

You don't take massacre and ep?

Woof

Huge st loss

[shadow ibex]

You can drop mass and still run EP

[livid cloak]

I thought i saw he said he didn't take either, but took bl and eb instead. But I'm on no sleep so I may have misread

[devout pewter]

Nope, been fine with it so far in game, altough I took a bit of a break and trying to beat myself through low keys for IO, so me doing well in either ST and MT is probably also down to others being really bad

[devout pewter]

Nope that's what I did last night, testing it.

But haven't been keen on Massacre anyway

[shadow ibex]

You don't need 2/2 bb in small keys

[devout pewter]

And losing a bit of dps for it, eh. I dont care much

[shadow ibex]

That's just overkill for nothing

[devout pewter]

Yeah, true as well

But considering the mists I did where tank and me were the only ones mostly alive for the first pull.. 😄

I fear I have to learn tanking to get anywhere with pugs

[sick gazelle]

that first pull is a nightmare if ur ranged dont play in close

to stop the ghouls from leaping

[nova marsh]

or reroll to meta

[shadow ibex]

I tank at beginning of season to gear up

Just easy loot really

Gear for prog with a shield in like 3 days

Cept when all your gear is 606 and your shield is 584

And your 1h is a blue cursed pickaxe

[icy mulch]

It's really entertaining seeing dps players run around all nervous and frantic after playing tank. You get to see all the greedy padders and how they die a lot easier.

[marsh glade]

dear all, I'm just leveling my arms warr, which talent build do you suggest using with lower ilvls?

only m+

[icy mulch]

Fury

[marsh glade]

noo, never

[shadow ibex]

Tanking m+ makes you a better dps and I'll die on that hill everyday

[icy mulch]

For leveling, fury is just gonna chew through low stuff without much thought.

Max level, and get some Ok crit haste gear then go arms.

[marsh glade]

and colossus or slayer?

which talent build do you suggest?

6-10 keys?L

[icy mulch]

Either

[shadow ibex]

the one thats more fun to u

you have to look in your heart and find the answer

we cant make the final step for you

sometimes you must play the game

[devout pewter]

Been playing heal for exactly that reason as well (as I knew I could never be a good tank with my fish level memory brain). It definitely made me a better dps

[icy mulch]

If we look at just Sims, Colossus is more dps in M+ but you may not like it's sort clunky game play loop.

[sick gazelle]

Or when your tank decides to randomly move the mob youre targeting and cancels your demolish

[icy mulch]

Yeah, that triggers me to no end.

[devout pewter]

Uh I hate that too haha

I tend to now just place myself between tank and mob because of it haha

[shadow ibex]

i really just want cs reck back so we can crit demo a fuck ton

[icy mulch]

Perfect example, 1st boss of Dawnbreaker. I know we're safe where we are, ranged have pools baited far. Perfectly lined up Demolish and the monk tank is half way cross the boat and she ports away.

[shadow ibex]

[sick gazelle]

i was running it with spear too

missing that spear demo was extra salty

[icy mulch]

Ew, why,? Do you have enough crit to make up for playing such a bad spec?

[vague lark]

Yo guys, mainly do M+ on warrior, Whats the best way to sim for that? Dungeon slice or something else?

[icy mulch]

A combo of patchwork 1 target and patchwork 5 target. 1.5 min or 5 min. Either will work.

If you want a generic idea, dungeon slice is OK.

[astral talon]

okay either sth is bugged or collosus sims 50k better for than slayer on ST

huh

nvm i had wrong talents

ffs

[fierce heart]

Is there a number somewhere comparing in for the kill and test of might? would test of might be better once you near 30% haste soft cap?

[vague lark]

🫡

[icy mulch]

Was about to suggest check talents. Did that last week. Almost cost me 20k gold.

[icy mulch]

Uh, considering how haste works, not likely.

[astral talon]

well last time i did mythic reclear on demolish

and got like 90s