arms

[livid cloak]

You do your first 2 lusts on big trash pulls afaik

[strange perch]

ty guys

im doing low mythics right now

but want to go to high ones

[remote ledge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jQtL9YHMV1GXf8AF#fight=15&type=summary
this is the log

[worldly kernel]

you need to do the 5 pull with gatekeeper

[astral talon]

we did

unless you do mdi fucking pulls its unreal to time

i swear to god xD

[boreal quartz]

not even

just need good dam

• no trolling

[astral talon]

we all had above 2mil 😦

and we'd deplete by like 2min

[livid cloak]

2nd lust can be a big pull before the mini boss before 2nd boss

[astral talon]

but we wiped like 3 times lmao

[worldly kernel]

yeah you need big density pulls

[boreal quartz]

then you see the issue

[astral talon]

we'd still deplete without those

that's my issue xD

[livid cloak]

Pull the 2 big cleaver guys on bridge to a necromancer pack

[astral talon]

well hopefully someone invites me and i get to try again

xD

[livid cloak]

Just gotta do big trash the entire time

[boreal quartz]

doubt it

[worldly kernel]

you do big 5 pack with the gatekeeper into maruader with necromancer, and on the bridge you pull the two mauraders with the orb pack and after that if you have damage and CD's for the maurader triple pack you do that, pretty much can't waste time pulling one pack at a time and if you die you lose more than just the 15 second timer it's a really long runback

also another thing too the shield is pretty good for the first pack but you need huge damage otherwise you'll die after the 2nd gatekeeper aoe

[gaunt matrix]

I see, just did a +9 and would of got 1.8 overall with slayer but my dumb ass died right at the start of last boss

seems better honestly idk

[white hedge]

hey there, arms colo m+ question
when cleaving say 5+ targets
and cleave is on cd
does overpower take precidence over all other standard rotation buttons?(MS SD thunderclap)
and if im out of overpower charges and cleave is on cd
which is higher?
SD MS or Thunder Clap

[slow saddle]

Nah whipes costs.mpre than 2 min

[cyan sage]

a one off, I still believe colossus to way way way outperform slayer currently.. idk how anyone can do good dps with that in keys

[thick kelp]

bwoah

[astral talon]

real

fuck slayer

all my homies prefer 5% size

[cloud gyro]

the damage is spikier, it does more on sustained aoe which is not the same as having sustained damage

[vast hinge]

Did I really see an arms warrior in MDI

Dafuq

[thick kelp]

Yeah

its mdi spec

so astro broken

[cloud gyro]

• brings buff

[radiant garden]

Seems big buff coming for warrior in 11.0.7 patch

[devout pewter]

where?

[slow saddle]

Very funny

[devout pewter]

We're in MDI, we'll be getting another nerf

[slow saddle]

Warrior dont need buff, arms just needs gos

God

[tough meteor]

damn

[remote ledge]

i don't get how you guys do such high overall im very low

[tough meteor]

he got a nice overall

[devout pewter]

Just the fact he's up there is enough

But the fact that it's all we bring is sad

[vast hinge]

I’m kinda sad it got brought to mdi

Arms needs some major defensive help

[devout pewter]

eh

we need some kind of better support, that alone could make a good defensive buff

[vast hinge]

It feels depressing to do arms on 13+, dead to every aoe

[devout pewter]

or just outright the best damage of the game

[fresh spire]

Hiiiiiiiiiyaaaa

[boreal quartz]

LOL

[eager sigil]

warrior is just not a minigame class

[mint shell]

spec IP

[vast hinge]

It heals for like 300k

I mean absorbs

Barely noticeable

They need to remove the cd on it

[mint shell]

i mean its around 800k afaik and u dont need passive ticks imo u need 2 survive mech

[eager sigil]

click spell reflect

[mint shell]

and it's much more helpfull to have 800k max hp on aoe than heal 85% of a dot on aoe, let alone single target

it's shit to press but it's good enough for u to survive

[vast hinge]

It’s most definitely not 800k

It’s 400k with the colossus talent

330k without

I’m fairly certain you’ll get more value from the deep wounds heal in like 5 seconds than the ignore pain

[eager sigil]

yea its not alot

but warrior has more defensives than that

if you die to every aoe in a 13 i think thats not the classes fault

[slow saddle]

Arms is paper

But dstance sr + ip

Aint bad

[vast hinge]

I mean I’m there dead with defensives up meanwhile the dks sitting at 40%

Without anything popped

[sacred zodiac]

great you found the one class tankier than warrior

[pearl nymph]

think i saw before in discord that warrior dies most in raid 🙂

[sacred zodiac]

yeah in a burst aoe centric raid the class that will die first to tanks failing to pick up threat quickly will die first good observation

[devout pewter]

to be honest, that's not because of warrior though

[nimble yoke]

maybe lets not act like dk isnt a crazy outlier when it comes to survivability lol

[sacred zodiac]

arms is quite high on kyveza i suppose

[vast hinge]

My ret feels a lot better too

Rotate between 1 min wall, SOV, or just have a wog/log ready

[nimble yoke]

i mean i think that ret is tankier than fury but plenty of people have said otherwise, and i don't think arms is too far behind

[vast hinge]

Fury thane is different

It has like 18% damage reduc

[lethal acorn]

Colossus Arms is tanky to physical burst damage, but magic dots kinda eat away at it

[vast hinge]

Passive

[nimble yoke]

between IV, defensive stance, SR, and your spec defensive warr is pretty damn tanky

esp dstance that button is nuts

[devout pewter]

you just gotta use it

[manic stirrup]

arms is tanky

fury/ret are outliers, dk is an INSANE outlier

[vast hinge]

My healer says he has to pay as much attention to me as a hunter

[manic stirrup]

but compared to most specs arms is sitting well

[vast hinge]

In keys

And asks me to go fury instead

[sterile trout]

Yo, stats cap considering max ilvl, on arms with colossus tree

[nimble yoke]

tbf dk is an outlier but if we're saying that fury and ret are outliers and arms is tanky

[manic stirrup]

in 13s?

[nimble yoke]

it just sounds like plate classes are tanky lmao

[slow saddle]

Well as said thane is vert tamky

[sterile trout]

what stat cap shall i use

[manic stirrup]

shouldn’t be an issue at all

[devout pewter]

I'm not much to talk but you might wanna check where that damage comes from

[manic stirrup]

dk is an outlier to literally everything, ret and fury are outliers to almost everything

3/25 specs or whatever are just clearly the 3 tankiest

and its not really close

[devout pewter]

I feel like 6/10 of my deaths are because shit was already dead and it's a wipe anyway (the amount of times I've been the last dps alive as arms is insane to me)
3/10 are because I'm stupid
and 1/10 is because I had too much damage coming in and I couldn't outheal it

[nimble yoke]

ngl my rogue feels decently tankier than my warr lol

[vast hinge]

That’s the 3 classes I play this season, warrior main then FDK and ret rerolls

It’s just so jarring, the differences

[nimble yoke]

like i cant really see anything but dk being a significant outlier in terms of tankiness but idk

and druid i guess but thats in the opposite direction

[vast hinge]

I mean yeah DK is busted, but difference between the same class

Fury vs arms is insane too

[devout pewter]

meh

[slow saddle]

Coz thand

E, makes u tanky as duck

[devout pewter]

ok I haven't played thane in m+ yet so I might not have felt that difference yet

[silent flame]

For double dusk you go for like
2 on cloak, belt or wrists right

[devout pewter]

i'm just happy colossus is good and been playing that haha

[nimble yoke]

tbh if they removed 1-2 defensives either passive or buttons from every class i wouldn't mind

[slow saddle]

Why would u use dusk?

[nimble yoke]

is it not better in m+?

[slow saddle]

80% is so hard to stay above

[vast hinge]

Dawn is better

[nimble yoke]

oh i forgot there's 2 diff ones

lol

[slow saddle]

Id say in a key with good pacing id play acsendance

[silent flame]

Im just going by what wowhead says

Tbh it's an alt and i got lucky and my firsy myth vault was a weapon

so im looking for Dusk instead

[nimble yoke]

yea imo ascendance is very hard to maintain so

i onlky got it cause i crafted weap

[vast hinge]

You need use 636 wep thoguh

Instead of 639

For ascendancy

[slow saddle]

Well being above 80% is rough

[nimble yoke]

i have a 619 weap lol

[silent flame]

Yea, so im thinking of going for double dawn or dusk. Ill sim it on some crit/haste pieces and ill see what ones better
I could try diff stats too tbh

[nimble yoke]

never gonna touch mythic raid and haven't been motivated to do over +8 m+ this season

[silent flame]

Mood

[slow saddle]

Therea.so much unavoidable aoe

[silent flame]

im mainly going for 2.5K on this char which shouldent be too bad

[vast hinge]

I mean you could probably get by with a one hander in a +8

[silent flame]

Yes but what else am i going to get already having a myth wep

[slow saddle]

Craft weap play fury😅👌

[nimble yoke]

you could probably get by with a one hander in a +13

doesn't mean i'm not gonna optimize the content i care about

o wait this aint fury chat maybe u couldn't lol

[slow saddle]

🫡

[vast hinge]

Bruh it’s hard to play optimised with everything available in a +13

Like the difference this season is insane

[nimble yoke]

tbh as long as tyrannical exists my will to do a +10 ever is like

near 0

my group barely plays every other week because of that dogshit

[vast hinge]

What’s tyrannical

[slow saddle]

10s arent to bad

Bosses dont last ro long

To

[nimble yoke]

whats your ilvl

[vast hinge]

632

[slow saddle]

625

[nimble yoke]

my grp is 615-620

so yea they last p long lmao

[silent flame]

What is it for war btw to sim

[slow saddle]

Nah

[silent flame]

Dslice or patch 5

[slow saddle]

615-620 is fine for 10s

Did my first ones at like 610 puggim

[silent flame]

You can do tens with like 610s if you have a group that knows what they are doing
hell even less ilevel depending on the calss/specs X)

[nimble yoke]

we did like 30 dungeons last week and i think this week and the previous tyrannical week combined we did i think 6

just not fun

[slow saddle]

Tyrannical just requires u to know bosses

[nimble yoke]

the healers don't even wanna play on those weeks and i don't blame them

[slow saddle]

Fortified forces u to know trash

[nimble yoke]

tyrannical requires you to sacrifice your enjoyment in a videogame lol

[slow saddle]

Ngl in a 10 use defensives and healer wont have a that bad time

[nimble yoke]

gonna stay away as best as i can

[silent flame]

Guys dslice or patch 5 for aoe sim

[nimble yoke]

i can tell you as an absolute fact that is a lie lol

i know you do +40s or w/e but for most normal people that is a blatant lie

[slow saddle]

I do max 10s

But it rly comes down 2

Healers wanted to heal

So now they have to heal tanks

[nimble yoke]

yea most intelligent blizzard fix

healing isn't fun so let's make it significantly less fun

[slow saddle]

Healers wanted it

[teal fossil]

Also why does tyrannical matter lol

[vast hinge]

At current ilvls you can get by a 10 with the healer barely knowing how to play

[teal fossil]

You have to do 10s for mythic vault

Unless you just want your chest to get stuck

[slow saddle]

My m8 he stays below 8s

[silent flame]

I feel like its more annoying for higher keys like did a 13 ara earlier and that first boss suckssss

[nimble yoke]

i think it's crazy to think a healer has ever went 'gee i wish i just had to spam heal the tank for 1/15th of their life bar per heal lol

[silent flame]

Also had this in teh same key

[vast hinge]

Trying to clear a 10 in that first week at 598 ilvl though

[nimble yoke]

yea 9s are kinda worthless now and 10s have both tyran and fort so

8s it is

[vast hinge]

That was fucked

I spent 6 hours in a +10 grimbatol

[boreal quartz]

we did it with 4 warriors

[vast hinge]

For vault in the first week

[silent flame]

Oh hi sub

[vast hinge]

198deaths

[boreal quartz]

my name is not sub wtf

[slow saddle]

Fr i dont feel 10s are to bad

Its phil sub?

[nimble yoke]

my goat sub

[boreal quartz]

freaks

[nimble yoke]

hows it going months

[sacred zodiac]

@boreal quartz sub

[dull siren]

[boreal quartz]

[silent flame]

Ok

expires

there you go

that better? :D

[nimble yoke]

maybe if our healers are willing to play it we'll give it a try sometime lmao

[slow saddle]

I will say a 10, its very hard to carry ppl

[nimble yoke]

but their word is king

so w/e

[sacred zodiac]

maybe play with humanoids or

[slow saddle]

Tbh if healer cant do 10

[silent flame]

But yea
Im sorry i keep asking, don't see in the FaQ but dslice or patch 5 if i wanna sim for aoe

[slow saddle]

Get a pug

[slow saddle]

Sim st

[nimble yoke]

brother do you understand the concept of enjoyment

[sacred zodiac]

idk if you genuinely wanna sim aoe its kind of your call what you sim and wanna optimize for

[nimble yoke]

and what a videogame is for

[slow saddle]

I enjoy a semi challange

[sacred zodiac]

go read up what a dslice sim is for warriors it shouldnt be too hard to find

[vast hinge]

Bragging rights

[slow saddle]

With reward

[silent flame]

Fair
I just wanna see what to get as my embelishment

[vast hinge]

I pug all my keys to show my friends I’m superior

[silent flame]

cause wowhead said dusk but a few people here said it shouldent be that X)

So i wanted to sim

[nimble yoke]

that's fine, i enjoy blasting aoe after a day of being busy to wind down and set up disappointment dopamine for wednesdays

[vast hinge]

My mates and have all done several 13 keys in pugs but as soon as the 5 of us get together we can’t even time 12s consistently lmao

[slow saddle]

Bigger key bigger aoe

[nimble yoke]

and playing alts

[nimble yoke]

nah packs last longer so less burst 👍

[slow saddle]

Whats ya grp?

Coz like if i get into a ret grp in 8s

[nimble yoke]

like what we play?

[slow saddle]

Shits gone before i can setup

[silent flame]

Hmm dawnthread sims highest
Imma retry again but with diffrent stats on each to see if that changes it

[nimble yoke]

i mean we don't really have a push grp cause we don't push lol

we all play a bunch of alts

so depends

[slow saddle]

Fair

[remote ledge]

yes at this level of keys by the time you start spinning pack is already half dead

[slow saddle]

Takes time to play a 10, if u are switching all the time

[nimble yoke]

last time it was my 600ilvl surv doing the +8 another time it'll be my 620 warr but we just like alts

[slow saddle]

But ye no way of playing is bad

[nimble yoke]

maybe i'll convince them to try a 10 see how it goes, prob on a tyran week where it doesn't matter anyways lol

[slow saddle]

Doing 8s are just fine

[nimble yoke]

ya i mean some people are collecting tmogs and mounts right

haven't done anything past hc dungeon and lfr

gotta respect it

[slow saddle]

But u need to know ya chars well

To do 10s

On timw

[nimble yoke]

yea i'm significantly more comfy on warr than everything else lol

[slow saddle]

Like pulls, interrupt prios and such

[nimble yoke]

feels like i'm spending a lot less time staring at WA trying to figure shit out compared to rogue/fdk

[slow saddle]

U deffo cant go in blind as as a.casual player

From 8 to 10 is a leap

[nimble yoke]

we did 20s before the changes and the new 10s before this expac all the time, they weren't that bad

tbh its literally just the tyran/fort together change that stopped us from doing it

[slow saddle]

M8

[nimble yoke]

that and peril

[slow saddle]

Nah

U did 20s in season 1?

Coz 1st season is always harder

20s in season 3/4 were.free

[silent flame]

Simmed
For me its wrists/belt dawnthread :D

[slow saddle]

Gz sim st 2

[nimble yoke]

in s1 we did like 14 at the highest cause we played for like a couple weeks haha

had other shit going on

mostly s2 we got back into it

but yea s3 and s4 they were extremely free

[slow saddle]

Due to how gearing works

Seasons get a bit easier

[nimble yoke]

ya ik

[slow saddle]

And just from 8 - 10 theres a health increase

And dmg

• tyran but tyran is small

[nimble yoke]

i really hate the peril affix tbh

also makes me not wanna push shit

[slow saddle]

Ye 100€

But just ignore timer

Pull and play as i like

U get loot from untimed

[nimble yoke]

ye might do that

[slow saddle]

I rly think ppl stress to much.with timer

In a grp with m8s

[nimble yoke]

well if deplete didn't reduce your crests by more than half

i think it would be fine

rating is w/e lower key is w/e

but crests is so cringe

[slow saddle]

Ye but u get vault🤣

[nimble yoke]

but thats not a reward im getting then and there lol

feels really bad to get barely anything from the dungeon itself

[scarlet field]

I'm feeling so squishy with only reflect and retal ... Used to having more defensive

Colossus super fun though

Those big demolishes are very satisfying

[sacred zodiac]

hate that they removed dstance from your character only

[scarlet field]

Me too man, incredibly unfair

[devout pewter]

You have def stance and impending victory as well

[broken idol]

Hi !

[remote ledge]

siege 10 with juggernaut build, find it way more fun

[summer elbow]

Do u think destro Warlock beat us on dps?

[edgy solstice]

depends on pull size

[summer elbow]

St and lest say mm 10 targets

[edgy solstice]

depends on a lot of other things too.

assuming you mean m+ builds, destro beats us in both

destro very dependent on big pulls for shard gen tho

[summer elbow]

Like what?

Ohh.. So we are above destro locks?

[edgy solstice]

no

but we burst packs harder and are prob better in the mid sized pulls

ehh maybe not even that we burst harder

but we're not dependent on big pulls for our spec to function

[modest carbon]

#justarmsthings a ++11 SV.

[dull siren]

PoV you hit the weekly keys after mdi

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1261817118505308180/1302419883354755113/image.png?ex=67280c89&is=6726bb09&hm=f484e25b0d0dbba77283ee28dd41d64b5c7a5fcb772b86b9595728f767593fc4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

@sacred zodiac

now I have my builds

[remote ledge]

please leak

[halcyon valve]

Theyre beginning to believe

[golden magnet]

Yes build please 🙏

[midnight mural]

bru spill it

[halcyon valve]

Whats tmy cooking

[astral talon]

Didn't he send his build like 5 times now?

[dull siren]

There's a few different ones

EB + Tormet + Collat is a good one - SoA Swaps in higher keys instead of dreadnaught

but

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If you have talent loadout ex addon

@midnight mural

Probs gonna start pushing keys soon

and will use those builds

[midnight mural]

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-just-right-so-good-yes-emperors-new-groove-gif-6584923

[edgy solstice]

finally some real warrior player content

[dull siren]

Just goin for big collats and high consistent dmg

[swift crown]

Why did you ping Spongie with this

[dull siren]

Spongie

is my kitten

what about it

[sacred zodiac]

?

[woven wasp]

[dull siren]

?

with rizz

ofc

[sage badge]

@dull siren Saw you in the MDI. Uh, not sure which day, but arms owns.

[devout pewter]

[midnight mural]

is it possible to cancel the cast of mad queens mandate?

like by accident

if u spammin

[astral yarrow]

Not unless you spam your escape key or turn around

[midnight mural]

i remember having to fucking add nochanneling to all shit with some other trinket

kk

[devout pewter]

Wasn't there a bug around that sometimes canceled your channeled casts? I had that with Demolish a few times

[rare kite]

if your target dies mid demolish it will cancel

[devout pewter]

i know, if they move too, but that wasn't the case

[shadow ibex]

it doesnt cancel cancel

it can go to another target

demo i mean

if ur only fighting 1 thing and it dies yea gg but if another mob is close i just target that one and it seems to go off

[devout pewter]

oh that's nice to know, felt like every time my tank ran away it instantly canceled the demolish cast too as my target ran away

[balmy kindle]

thanks for sharing

[cyan flower]

how do ppl get into pug groups as arms. as a mostly solo player trying to pug it, getting invited as an arms warrior is more of a challenge than the actual m+ dungeon it looks like...

[edgy solstice]

have all keys completed 2 levels above the one you're applying for

[cyan flower]

lol

[karmic fjord]

Using your own key to form group is other best bet

[balmy kindle]

be very very high itemlevel

find a guild

pump hard and add friends

make ur own key

[cyan flower]

ppl seem fixated on meta specs even for +6s/7s

[edgy solstice]

welcome to wow

[balmy kindle]

thing is at 6-7s theres stiff competition as well if below 620

guys are farming crest for 619

[cyan flower]

arms is doing pretty competitive aoe dmg now even

[balmy kindle]

in wow perception >> actual peformance

its like how people think mages are god mighty and all when the average person is not venruki

[quaint otter]

^

[quaint otter]

guildie told elems are op and i must take one for our crest farm

[nova marsh]

Damn they're as trash as me on enhance

[vast hinge]

That’s why I look at ilvl, io, and also I look at how quickly they timed their keys on the io page

And look up them on warctaftlogs

And if they have 90+ parses

[balmy kindle]

same community hates em but thats the best way

[vast hinge]

Before I take them into a crest farm key

After the rogue abuse week I also have to look up if they had a outlaw rogue in their top keys completed for push keys

[balmy kindle]

maybe not 90+ prases that much but at least keys completed

one can easily buy a bunch of 10 clears

[gaunt matrix]

90 parses are easy to get

In M+

[cyan flower]

ppl log m+ also these days?

[gaunt matrix]

I’m not the best, but yeah these are my logs.

[quaint otter]

too much bother for 8s

[edgy solstice]

lots log m+ to see specifics and all that ofc but parses don't really mean anything

[gaunt matrix]

^

[thorn pelican]

blademasters torment huh...

[balmy cradle]

is ignore pain worth it?

[balmy kindle]

hunter keeps complaining on interrupts =d, was trying out tmy's build

[icy mulch]

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it really sad execute is pretty much last on our damage break down?

[balmy kindle]

Well unless they can make execute aoe

It's not much value in m+

[thorn pelican]

its pretty high on bosses :p

[quaint otter]

how so

[icy mulch]

It should still be more than 1% of overall.

[icy mulch]

In keys.

[quaint otter]

doesnt matter xd

cleave king

[balmy kindle]

But i get him thematically it's kind of eh

[quaint otter]

Improved execute
Execute now damages 10 targets during sweeping strikes

Oh and casts thunder clap

[shadow ibex]

wait wait wait wait

is egg any good or what

[balmy kindle]

Personally I will be happier if execute did aoe depending on rage when used thematically it makes more sense too

[shadow ibex]

@fresh spire

its simming best but do i really want egg

if its cringe

[karmic fjord]

The world that could have been

[raven ivy]

below 10hp doesnt help a lot

[shadow ibex]

1.5 sec cast aoe exe

[vagrant hull]

Did the best M+ spec change with the buff? Is colossus still ahead on aoe

[karmic fjord]

It was an old datamined pvp talent, p sure it said 10% at one point

[shadow ibex]

yea from wod beta

[karmic fjord]

might of been slands tbh

[manic bluff]

is arms better or fury in pvp

[sudden horizon]

Whats the best build raid and multitarget for arms rn ?

[neon ocean]

This was my favorite arms set bonus, sudden death causing a giga tclap

[quaint otter]

Ye and good fantasy like very heavy hit that shatters ground

[balmy kindle]

they should replace T clap with smth else tho or just bake rend into cleave

clap makes no sense as a man with a big sword

[edgy solstice]

speak for yourself

i use a shovel

[quaint otter]

it does

its a GIGA STRONG man with a BIG sword

[balmy kindle]

stomp the ground so hard you quake the internal organs of ur foes

[quaint otter]

thats how shockwave works basically

[viral thorn]

Hi guys, is there any BS here that can craft wrist 619 ?

[balmy kindle]

try public orders

619 shd be easy

[raw sapphire]

Why do all the chinese arms warrior stack way more haste than the rest of the world?

the rest are stacking high crit but they are stacking as much haste as possible

and leaving crit at around 28-30%

[quaint otter]

haste increases rage gain so its mandatory

also scales all ur bleed damage and reduces main abilities cd

[lethal acorn]

Nah it's more like Slayer likes haste more than crit (slayer's strikes from autos+reap the storm procs from ms/cleave cds) and Colossus likes crit more than haste (crit demolishes and crit modifiers on ms)

[uneven yacht]

is there even a point to EP in the mdi lvl keys

you get like no execute value

[raw sapphire]

Is there rule on holding ravager for avatar in m+?

[balmy kindle]

imo it does help with colo on the last 20% on bosses

you are likely to ahve ravager as well so u can rav > exe exe > ms

like not having EP feels really bad on colo when it comes to boss damage

[uneven yacht]

Execute phase lasts like 20 seconds at most at that key range

And you need 2x ep and 2x tier set before even mortal striking

So it just doesn’t feel worth at all

I’d rather just battlelord for st

[balmy kindle]

idk but i do find value from it since bosses die awhile to die ymmv though, its a flex point

[thick kelp]

If you can play around the 20/10 stacks like sims then yes

otherwise no

[edgy solstice]

this isnt true

ms is low value bc of jugg

which you dont have in keys

[tacit crystal]

i lvoe jugg

hi trencheiro

🙂

[edgy solstice]

ola

[tacit crystal]

como estas?

[edgy solstice]

bem

[tacit crystal]

i just managed to piss off my first pvp player

was fun

got to flame him as well

[edgy solstice]

just tell them you found a old screenshot of them saying a slur

[vital swallow]

how do you build strong bladestorm ? Sim say it should be 2nd source and it's my 7th

[tacit crystal]

i just checked their prev rating, they were glad bfa sl and now are hardstuck 1800

https://tenor.com/bm0A6.gif

and he got mad at me started queuing pvp first time on friday

these players are so funny

[edgy solstice]

might be an issue where unhinged counts under bladestorm in sims but not in details

[vital swallow]

so what should be a good bladestorm % on 1 boss ? like 5-6% ?

[feral finch]

Hi I'm new to warrior. I have a question about macros. Is it a bad idea to macro mortal strike and slam together?

I feel like keybind just for slam is kind of useless

[edgy solstice]

yeah 4-6 usually

[rare kite]

yes it is bad

[dire torrent]

Yo guys can I ask a question about my rotation

So when the fight starts in a raid let's say I do colossus and avatar with bladestorm. When then blade will finish I'm starting to stack 2 overpowers with sudden death . And then a do the mortal strike. And when I wait for my skills to reset I will throw a slam . Is this OK rotation???

Pretty much this is what I do

[signal coyote]

charge -> rend -> avatar and trinket -> col smash -> roar -> skullsplitter -> execute if sudden death proc -> bladestorm. no?

[remote ledge]

I do not like roaring and sks inside avatar, that's like 2 dead gcds

[edgy solstice]

charge rend roar ava/cs/trink bs ms sks

[remote ledge]

I even send a MS before bs bcos its too damn tempting

[boreal quartz]

It seems better but it sims worse

Wcyd

[edgy solstice]

it should be

but noodle ms

[gaunt owl]

it looks like people dont follow the guides

[boreal quartz]

Nudle

[gaunt owl]

[severe eagle]

is there a huge diff between thunderclap rend vs single target rend? can I use thunderclap for all stuations?

[boreal quartz]

you can

costs u do tho

[remote ledge]

Same rage cost, but it does a bit more damage to rend than clapping

[feral finch]

Why?

[boreal quartz]

both are on GCD

wow cant rlly do "if X isnt on CD cast Y"

so youll have a ms macro that only casts ms

also you are better of saving binds with tc>rend for all rend applications

[remote ledge]

If you want less keybinds you might aswell go fury, no aoe binds

[boreal quartz]

i mean arms just inherently has more binds if you wanna be optimal

and thats ok

🤷‍♂️

[dull siren]

Yeah, I got value.
Mouseover sweeping executes for prio targets

[astral talon]

how the fuck do animals like this get to 12-13 keys O_O

jesus christ

[astral talon]

tried your builds in some keys, smooth as hell ❤️

[dim basalt]

Why did you expect anything from a mage to begin with

Boomies are usually a miss too

[stable light]

I guess its not overall

[dim basalt]

Wat

[stable light]

If this is on a random pack

[dim basalt]

1M in a random pack is dogshit

That's what you should do ST at least

[remote ledge]

They timed their keys, it is what it is

[stable light]

Depend of the pack cds, if they died before or not...

[dim basalt]

You don't need cds to do more than 1M my dude

That's literally less than tank dps

[remote ledge]

We have Mr Top damage with us today

[astral talon]

,no thats the moment they left xD

[cloud gyro]

1 mil overall is very high for a mage player

usually they sit around 500-600k

[astral talon]

sheesh

[stable light]

Yeah but its easy to take the only 1 pack with bad dps and share it. I mean it s better to get a boss or overall, no one knows if after they do 3m damage

[dim basalt]

I don't invite mates at all because they're bad

Mages *

[astral talon]

that is overall, till the moment they left xd

[dim basalt]

What key was it anyway

[astral talon]

siege, that's including 1st boss

[mighty lance]

Mages can be good, you Just need to know the player

[dim basalt]

Lmao

[mighty lance]

Kinda hit or miss

[dim basalt]

1 in 1000

[mighty lance]

Miss or sometimes a hit

[dim basalt]

Mages don't bring shit, don't need to invite them

[remote ledge]

I don't get it you pugged a 13 and it didn't go well, it will happen again

[mighty lance]

Frost mages are really nice in sone dungeons

[stable light]

So yup at this point its cringe as fuck

[rain cipher]

Is there WA that helps me to send MS when this condition met?

[stable light]

https://wago.io/dQ8Ryb2r3

[rain cipher]

Thank you

[nimble yoke]

does it seem like uproar is better than blademaster's torment for m+?

[pearl radish]

How are you guys getting space for your keybinds, Arms has like 400 different abilities 😢

[remote ledge]

I play slayer

And I don't play sks

[rancid solstice]

Yeah unusual problem for arms, esp colossus

I put charge and rend on the same keybind, so save a bind there. Gotta get one of them fancy mice with a bunch of buttons and use modifiers with those

[icy mulch]

Speaking of trackers, is there one for better highlighting stacks of collateral?

[boreal quartz]

i just track it in my spell wa#

tbh

[boreal quartz]

my binds so not optimal obviously - but works for me

[dim basalt]

Does Arms have a lot of buttons tho?

I had twice as many buttons as SV

[thick kelp]

My binds

very optimal ofc

@boreal quartz Ele is juicing

but my trinkets

[boreal quartz]

idk i just play videogam

[boreal quartz]

juicer

[dull siren]

I have a screenshot

somewhere

from MoP

so many binds

[livid cloak]

Finally get home tmrw morning, very excited to play with the buffs for the 1st time

[dull siren]

Small amount now tho @boreal quartz

[graceful onyx]

Hey so whats the best build for Arms (mythic+)

[livid cloak]

#arms message

Arms has tons of different builds you can play

With both hero specs

[graceful onyx]

im more of an Slayer player

[summer elbow]

I mean if we do better st dmg and burst aoe right now why is fury more played than us? I dont understand

O know they have 10% dmg reduce but what else?

[remote ledge]

Slam on G is criminal

[thick kelp]

Fury is more popular

[dull siren]

You play what you wanna play, If you want to play Fury.
You play Fury, There's a lot of warriors.
Noxiv being one of them that only plays Fury

And never specs into arms

[livid cloak]

Some people play what they want instead of meta chase every patch

[scarlet field]

If I'm playing m+ arms and wed to my mouse wheel up and down spam from prot war... What abilities from arms toolkit fit the "if it's up fucking press it" conditional. Cleave maybe for m+ ?

[remote ledge]

Most people don't like arms in pve

And most of the guys that like arms highly prefer it to fury

It's like fdk and unholy. Most dks are frost and never ever play uh. Most uh are uh mains

[vague lark]

^
I’m guilty of this

I’ll only dps as arms, and only dps as unholy

[remote ledge]

Often the same guys true

[livid cloak]

I prefer arms to fury, playing fury a lot hurts my hands

[vague lark]

I play for the specs not the classes

[livid cloak]

Powerful enrage helps though

[scarlet field]

Arms is a lifestyle

Your either a huge 2h boi or not

[thick kelp]

Whats wrong with that

[summer elbow]

What i love from arms is execute dmg, big numbers on hits like 6m on demolish and their relax and slow phased rotation compared to fury one

Fury honestly feels stronger due the amount of skills you use but arms is better for me

[boreal quartz]

arms hasnt been slow since like end SL

[summer elbow]

But wont ppl invite me if im arms and not fury?

[summer elbow]

Compared to fury i mean

[boreal quartz]

fury is by no means faster

[summer elbow]

Come on XD

[boreal quartz]

both are fully GCD locked

fury just spams 3 keybinds arms spams 2

[summer elbow]

Well that makes them faster XD

[dim basalt]

Nah not really

[summer elbow]

I dont know if is Just me but i dont like having blacksmithing on a class that dont wear plates and i love bs and plates in general i think plates are the Best gear from the game but that is very subjetive

[boreal quartz]

you seem trapped in the flavor is most important bubble

arms can be the "slower, more tactial" spec in headcannon

but its just not rn

so tactical

[summer elbow]

Trapped in the flavor?

[summer elbow]

Lovely

But ill be honest i hate skullsplitter

Sometines i forget to use it

[remote ledge]

Maybe I have small fingers but it seems far for me

I have bladestorm there

[boreal quartz]

you wouldve loved S3 df

DOGSHIT GAMEPLAY MAN

[remote ledge]

I'm pretty sure u could tweak the current jug build to be even more like this, only using cleave for deep wounds

No fervor + iss

[boreal quartz]

me when i kneecap my aoe

[cloud gyro]

the move is playing slayer so you have an excuse to stack haste

[thick kelp]

fuck

hastge

[remote ledge]

I have 17k haste

[remote ledge]

Experimentation is needed

[summer elbow]

Lest say i dont need to st Just aoe fsrm like trash farm for boes.. Would haste still being needed or i full crit mastery could work?

[remote ledge]

I guess sim in 8 targets

[rain cipher]

Does it worth to play Arms instead of Fury against mythic Nexus when equipping fury gear?

[livid cloak]

Stat allocation won't matter for this lol

[thick kelp]

no

[tired sinew]

i loved S3 arms.. it was good for me at least...

[remote ledge]

You can still do it kinda

[drowsy cobalt]

I would take bfa arms over this

M+ is somewhat fine but the single target is awful

[paper gulch]

Just bring back legion arms

Or make tactician proc more.

[drowsy cobalt]

Oh my god yes i didnt thnik the tactician changes would mean so much

not having reliable op reset...

[gaunt owl]

a proc shouldnt be omnipresent

[remote ledge]

You guys profile pictures are too close to each other

[gaunt owl]

or its meaningless

and well taking BFA Arms over what we have now

is just because your brain is hardwired for the meters

if having top tier dps is ok with instead of good gameplay you play the wrong class

[remote ledge]

I think you should just vibe a little bit more, embrace the way it is, we're actually good and there are several playable builds 🙏

[drowsy cobalt]

I played arms exclusively all df seasons and liked the gameplay more even withoout numbers

And we both know we were in the canals even with legendary

[remote ledge]

Maybe it's time to try other things

[drowsy cobalt]

I did. First time since legion im actually playing fury

I still try to like arms tho

[strange perch]

Cant say for myself, but my guild fellow arms wars close to top dps charts on HV Ansurek (til exempl) in HC/Champ gear

Build and rotation are crucial

[drowsy cobalt]

As i said...im not talking about numbers

[strange perch]

To me slam feels like a very weak filler

[remote ledge]

In the 10 builds that can work in m+ you don't like a single one of them?

[gaunt owl]

you said the ST is awful but it got buffed quite a bit

we just cant have AOE and ST

you shouldnt be able to take both anyway

it make 0 sense

but well talent tree are illusion of choice

[summer elbow]

If u play slayer aoe is not bad and st is cool

[vague nova]

there is a choice most just can’t face the fact your 5% less than the top build for all the QOL you want 🤪

[strange perch]

This.

[thick kelp]

nerf arms

[drowsy cobalt]

I meant gameplay, if i entered conversation about numbers then sorry i didnt read many previous messages

[strange perch]

Buff arms more

[thick kelp]

didnt even get pi

[summer elbow]

Yo walhe you're crushing the meters

[remote ledge]

What did you play

[summer elbow]

Can you show your dmg on bosses? Please

[remote ledge]

Stinky

[thick kelp]

First boss

2nd

3rd (got bombed by feral here with his poison pool)

[rancid solstice]

I’m liking massacre too

[remote ledge]

The straight to the point build

[thick kelp]

Thought about Blademasters but our tank didnt want to pull big

[astral talon]

i dropped one point from bleeds into battlelord

[thick kelp]

I woulda doen the same if i went for blademasters

[finite mantle]

no sks it’s like I could kiss him on the lips

[thick kelp]

but 2x bb with 45s roar

[cloud gyro]

bleed is fake unless ur doing giga pulls

[scarlet field]

murlok.io shows most arms warriors in m+ that are the highest rating are running haste > crit

but then some of the folks i follow and read are saying it should be Crit>Mast

[tardy hare]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[warped kite]

https://tenor.com/view/rumble-gif-27464722

[shadow ibex]

Is that ass and unfun to do

[remote ledge]

Blademasters torment?

Don't you lose a lot by losing a point in armored to the teeth?

[thick kelp]

you would drop 45s roar for it

[remote ledge]

Oh

[lethal acorn]

Isn't EB + 1/2 in DE worth taking over the 2 DE points since MBG can get back to back cleaves with EB?

[balmy kindle]

Sim your self, also haste and mastery has really good value too at higher figures

[lethal acorn]

I have the same build as you but I also take BI over Warbreaker, is warbreaker worth it just for the demolish hitting every mob or is it too tank reliant on big pulls always?

[warm plover]

Any proper arms guide? sort of advanced for m+ with colosuss hero talent?

[lethal acorn]

I just timed every 10 yesterday as Colossus Arms so I'm trying to improve anything I can if I wanna push 11s+

[balmy kindle]

look for the MDI trees

[warm plover]

Thats a good overall, you think this talent tree you were playing is most optimal for M+ arms rn? any rotation prio guide?

[thick kelp]

really personal prefrence and I was just trying this build out since the tank didnt want to do big pulls

woulda prolly gone EB > massacre

[thick kelp]

I like warbreaker more on colossus but its personal preference

[lethal acorn]

I like EB and massacre at the same time and sacrificing one point in DE

Personal preference, I C

[thick kelp]

Talents depend alot on the dungeon

and how big you pull

[warm plover]

Lets say optimal big pulls with a premade tank, i dislike bladestorm

so iam not sure, i like whhat you posted

but i guess this is a build for smaller pulls and more often?

[lethal acorn]

I dislike bladestorm unless it's pvp, that's what I love so much about not going slayer, you get to play ravager

[warm plover]

also , do you throw thunder clap in the rotation to reset the stacks?

[balmy kindle]

casually beating arcane mage =d

ideally u wanna TC to start pulls

then just dump ur globals to cleave

[lethal acorn]

thunderclap is for rend, I like going crackling thunder personally for the 40% aoe slow

[warm plover]

yeah do we throw it in rotation to get rend stacks?

[lethal acorn]

Yeah, you always want rend ticking

[balmy kindle]

yes u start with TC to get rend on

[dull siren]

real

[thick kelp]

shush im acting like i play keys higher than weekly 10

[dull siren]

I just did 9-11's

[thick kelp]

I shoulda gone to MDI

Even i coulda had a chance!

This is definetly fine

[remote ledge]

If there were 2 arms warrior we would have been nerfed

[gaunt owl]

MDI is at least interesting to watch

big pull

instead of 200 keys depleted

mpushing is meh

[rain cipher]

why when we play Arms, we send Roar before Avatar? In Fury, it is the opposite.

[remote ledge]

Mdi is also usebug contest. The one abusing the game the most wins

[quartz canopy]

Roar is just higher priority than Avatar, and the initial hit does not matter, so you want to get it out as quickly as possible. Also, on Fury Avatar is higher prio than Roar, but it's not like it matters either.

[gaunt owl]

wich lead to ban

[lethal acorn]

Arms likes bleed damage so Arms likes roar more than fury because it's a bleed enhance

[remote ledge]

Tgp is the shit, it would be even better if blizzard wasn't so clueless about aug

[rain cipher]

Thanks. 1 more question: when I do have 2 x Executioner's Precision, BS is a higher priority than MS in execution phase. Am I right?

[icy mulch]

Fury also can have reck up to make the initial hit chunky.

Arms sadly does not have that anymore.

[quartz canopy]

You are correct. Since you have Unhinged, BS will cast MS during its channel anyways.

[rain cipher]

aaah.. I see now.. my fury brain start functioning.. Thanks ❤️

[slow saddle]

I SWEAR as a casual the amount of fucking valorstones ineed

is stupid

[solid sentinel]

Hey
Do you guys press more MS instead in Cleave?

[warm plover]

Quick question, do you press demolish on CD on aoe, or wait for 10 stacks and then use Demolish?

[sullen stone]

Hey dudes! Is anyone ever taking ignore pain, I have been having some trouble in 12-13s as Arms, obv when DR is on CD. So I was trying to get feelers for ignore pain.

[nova marsh]

If you're struggling IP isn't gonna be the sole solution

It'll help a bit but overall it's quite weak

[sullen stone]

Yeah, that is what I was thinking, hoping it will smooth out a bit more once ilvl is a bit higher.

Certain bosses just level my hp and with back to back mechanics if the healer cant get me up or hp pot on CD its real bad lol

[nova marsh]

Are you using Dstance spell reflect and IV religiously?

[sullen stone]

Yup! I am dancing between the two, so I probs just need to make sure im not missing the switch.

[nova marsh]

Then it's part because arms REALLY struggles in that range

You're tettering VERY close on the brink of pushing past what arms can reasonably survive

[sullen stone]

Dang, yeah that is what it is feeling like. Thanks dude!

[balmy kindle]

lol at 12-13s anything not dk melts

[warm plover]

Hi Friends, any advanced M+ guide? I am playing colossus without BS, but i kinda dont know how to do the opener properly.

Currently charging into pack - > WB > Thunder Clap for rend > Avatar> Roar >Ravager > Cleave > Demolish, but dont know if i should keep demolish and gain stacks before to make it shiny or should just throw it in.

Any tips?

[modest carbon]

Well, Wb should be way later to start. Probably after Roar. Assuming you have SS up you probably have 8+ stacks by the time you have swept MS/Cleave+Ravager Unhinged MS

Depends a little, but TC and initial Roar damage shouldn't be inside the WB window

[dire hinge]

Maxroll has a nice visual guide on the opener
https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/arms-warrior-mythic-plus-guide#rotation-header

[modest carbon]

If you play EB you also just have to adapt

[cyan oriole]

first pack in a dungeon maybe. but wouldnt it be better to use demo first when you can, then do ravager after to build stacks to next one sooner

[dire hinge]

this assumes you have all cooldowns available to you

[warm plover]

So do we always delay demolish? for stacks? or should throw it in on cds

[modest carbon]

Delaying is basically 2-3 GCDs in a Ravager/SS scenario

You get max stacks instantly

Even with only SS you get max stacks real quick unless very unlucky with crits/EB procs

[warm plover]

I see

so generally its worth to build it up the stacks

cuz somtimes pack is about to die, and I either have to press it with low stacks or continue to the next

[modest carbon]

Assuming a fresh pull with all CDs I probably SS > TC > Roar > WB > Rav > Cleave > MS/Cleave(EB) > (Unhinged proc) > MS/Cleave if EB, else OP > Demo > Unhinged proc before last hit of Demo hits. EB+BL makes it not completely set in stone.

But going into a pull with every single CD is pretty rare

Why do you have low stacks in the middle of a pull that's about to die?

[warm plover]

Cuz thers a pull and I didnt stack up Demolish before from previous pull, from somehow had some ocassions

[modest carbon]

But, if they're almost dead you're either playing like a +2 where things die in a few globals, or you didn't use MS/Cleave for a whole pull

If a pack is about to die, and you have Demo ready, I really don't see how you can have low stacks

[thin galleon]

@visual fern bitch

[shadow ibex]

@thick kelp how do I use this egg shit

[thick kelp]

You track both stacks

[shadow ibex]

Actually super cool it doesn't trigger other trinket cd? Using myth mark

[thick kelp]

keep the other one at 20

the other one at 10

or as close as possibly

my standing still or asding

[shadow ibex]

Holy fuck weak aura spec

[thick kelp]

Yer

[shadow ibex]

It takes what 30 to get there then?

30 secs

I mark on pull then use that with a CS or smth

Didn't seem to build outside of combat

[thick kelp]

idk

you get the effect allways

the on use is just to "Lock"

the stacks

for a lil time

[tough meteor]

guys our crafted weapon must be sword or can be any 2h??

[fringe moon]

Any 2h

[uneven yacht]

whats the ms prio in execute without jugg

[tacit crystal]

2ep 2 lb

has not changed

[regal socket]

hows arms after the buffs? i havent switched yet but im gearing a bit

[icy mulch]

Ya know, as much as Bladestorm isn't the most entertaining. Slayer still feels worlds smoother than Colossus.

[warm plover]

hows it in terms of overall damage? how much % diff?

[weak rain]

Colossusy is better for m+ imo

[finite wasp]

for me on 5t its like a 8% diff

slayer apparently is not met for m+ but is just a raid spec

[warm plover]

yeah I feel so too , doesnt have the right tools

[finite wasp]

ngl it just feels flawed and i don't think any damage buff will fix it

[icy mulch]

I'll do a 5 target sim, see what the difference is.

@warm plover Colossus is far ahead according to sims. I was commenting how one was very smooth, while Colossus is janky AF.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4BTbUw3N97wyW2vrkMSE1i

[finite wasp]

so you trade off smoothness for trash dps and jankyness for kinda good dps. thats great design.

[icy mulch]

Yeah, that's about right. lol

[rancid solstice]

Colossus starts to feel better after playing with it for a long time. Usually dropping SkS. Swapping between the two hero talents and even more so between arms and fury is pretty rough feeling

Fury is smooth as silk compared to all the shit you gotta get on cooldown with arms

[manic stirrup]

colossus isnt janky

figure it out man

idk

[regal socket]

just got this horse first try

what the fuck

farm shoulders 500+ times

nothing

do halloween event once

horse

0.4%

[manic stirrup]

first one of the day is higher chance

[finite wasp]

i mean to each their own but df arms felt alot smoother than this :/

[regal socket]

i miss tom

[regal socket]

actually?

[gaunt owl]

[manic stirrup]

its the same thing

[manic stirrup]

yes

[finite wasp]

k man, i'm still firm on that belief tho xd

[manic stirrup]

i mean u can believe it but its just wrong

it plays almost identically

with demolish added

a button u hit on cd

[finite wasp]

no dude

thats subjective

[manic stirrup]

whats different

[finite wasp]

i feel alot slower

[tacit crystal]

I KNOW

[finite wasp]

thats the problem

[tacit crystal]

I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW CHOCO

I KNOW

NOTHING

NOTHING

[gaunt owl]

you feel slower because less haste than in DF

[tacit crystal]

NOTHING

[finite wasp]

yes ik

but thats why it feels kinda janky imo

[gaunt owl]

but gameplay wise we didnt get any big change

just some added buttons

[regal socket]

if none of the conditions are true, do you just ignore execute?

at what point is "need to refresh juggernaut" considered true, less than 5s?

[tacit crystal]

1 or 2 globals before it falls off

[icy mulch]

Is there a way to look at the sim per action?

[nimble yoke]

if you have a colossus smash macro, does it also work with warbreaker? like does it automatically become warbreaker if you have it talented?

[regal socket]

gotcha, otherwise (no other conditions are true) you completely ignore it?

like youd slam over execute..?

[tacit crystal]

before execute range yeah

[regal socket]

gotcha okay

ty

[nova marsh]

TOM deserved to die

I'm so happy blizzard shot it

[regal socket]

you dont like playing a minigame?

[nova marsh]

No, I don't like flat damage profiles

I don't like feeling like my CDs do fuck all and basically relying on ToM in execute to do anything meaningful

[gaunt owl]

if you talk about BFA TOM

[nova marsh]

That shit sucked

[gaunt owl]

and the mindless spam to stack it

nice minigame

much engagement

[nova marsh]

DF tom

DF tom can go die in a fucking fire

Idk about BFA tom, cuz I was fury

[gaunt owl]

you had to spam 1 button

to gain giga stack

[nova marsh]

Sure, that sounds fine

Oh yeah also

Didn't BFA tom actually do stuff in AoE and not be like....very useless?

[gaunt owl]

Mastery was scaling

thats the thing

[nova marsh]

Imagine if like

ToM was just our mastery and we had CS resets

[gaunt owl]

but our mastery in BFA was just the bleed big time

[quasi torrent]

and our mastery in BFA scaled better with haste and str than with mast

rael king shit

[astral talon]

and demolish doesn't work on ovinax again

nice

[quasi torrent]

press n

do more damage for free

👍

[astral talon]

i refuse

[latent moss]

still does probably

the damage part

[quasi torrent]

in bfa it was just dam however

[latent arrow]

how important is bloodborne, and can i drop that last point for massacre for extra st?

[silent thunder]

Get rid of exhilarating blows for another point in bloodborne

Mortal strike and cleave are relatively weak without the buffs

Esp if you’re doing colossus

[latent arrow]

but eb is good in aoe

[silent thunder]

True and it is good for stacking demolish

So it depends

If you’re doing a big key where things live longer, you could take eb

But massacre is a better passive fs

I didn’t even see you didn’t have it

I’d drop eb for massacre fs lol

[teal fossil]

Tom still works in aoe

It’s just the profile of it isn’t good

I’m talking current Tom

[teal fossil]

Bloodborne is a lot of damage on both st and aoe

And it’s entirely passive

[thin galleon]

is demolish a frontal cone cleave or how do I want to position for it

[thorn pelican]

basically a shockwave at ur target

[nova marsh]

Current tom just seems increiably weak

[manic stirrup]

unless sd will fall off

yes

[nova marsh]

We have very little spending power rn compared to DF

[weary helm]

Does someone have a Demolish stack tracker WA?

[rich kernel]

So what's used for m+? Colossus or Slayer? Looking it up most of top 50 arms use Colossus but wowhead guide says to use slayer

[quaint otter]

slayer easier to play

colossus just bit better

[granite swift]

Still not getting +10 invites despite being over 2500 :/, would be nice not to play prot without friends being online

[quaint otter]

use ur own key if u dont looking for specific dung

[granite swift]

Yea yea I know do your own key...just means a long slog wait in the finder

[minor gust]

It's a long wait either way

[quaint otter]

+10 bracket seems to be very active for me

[nova marsh]

+10 is always gonna be very active

It's the highest most of the playerbase goes

[astral talon]

anyone knows ANY way to maybe get rid of that delay on demolish on ovinax?

[snow pagoda]

have your raidleader put you in fury jail

[astral talon]

fucking hell

[rich kernel]

What's easier about slayer?

[nova marsh]

You don't have to think about demolish at all

and slayer is just send evreything on CD

[remote ledge]

It's less punishing

[boreal quartz]

I mean

Throwing jugg stacks

Can be rlly rlly bad

[nova marsh]

Don't have to care if the tank moves and suddenly you loose 90% of your damage

[boreal quartz]

Ye teu

Tru

[nova marsh]

Sure jugg stacks suck

But loosing demolish is worse

[boreal quartz]

In raid both are wonky

[nova marsh]

and jugg stacks....don't do a whole lot in aoe

[boreal quartz]

But it is arms so it's fine

Since nothing else is going on

[remote ledge]

Tonight I played slayer without jugg, but I want to exemaxx, lose stacks and not care. I sim higher with jugg than without :d

[boreal quartz]

Ofc u do

Jugg sims best in st cuz it's closest to raid build

[remote ledge]

I meant in dungeon slice

[boreal quartz]

Slice is fucky

[remote ledge]

Problem with jug is that I'm lost now. Yesterday people told me that I was executing too much, so switching to aoe build and did way better by following rotation.

But if I wanna go jugg, should I still spam cleave in aoe, and only throw in some exec if there is a low hp target. Or stop cleaving completely once exec range is there

[boreal quartz]

I mean you wanna stack high and sweep exe into important things

Just do not ignore cleave

[remote ledge]

And does, not caring about it really lower the output? Just sniping low health and cleaving once you can. Cos if yes imma just stick with no jugg slayer I guess

[boreal quartz]

I mean the main thing u gain

If you end packs and sweep and build large jugg

You can annihilate bosses

It's the highest bossdam m+ build for arms by a mile

[remote ledge]

So to see it from the outside. You'd start a pack by popping cd's, keeping ss untouched, and only popping it once everything gets low enough, and not simply using it on cd

[boreal quartz]

Id ss for dam