arms

[dull siren]

and higher

[tacit crystal]

ic

[dull siren]

actually our healer uploaded

here u go

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nm9TdkP3b4zqpvhH#fight=last&type=damage-done

DPS numbers seem off on logs comapred to details

ye don't know what's happening @ third boss

xdd

[tacit crystal]

takes increased phys damage i think

either in details or soemthing

[dull siren]

the boss has lower armor

then others

[tacit crystal]

crank

[shadow ibex]

how did you get so many demos to crit

[teal fossil]

Luck

[shadow ibex]

63 on demo is insane

thats more than ur MS %

[teal fossil]

Play the lottery lil bro

[scarlet field]

Press the button better

[shadow ibex]

its the outlier i guess only on coag

[tacit crystal]

can you guys see how he crafted his gear i cant see on phone

[echo copper]

Is it worth pressing Cleave in ST also?

[dull siren]

no

it is if you have collat stacks

or 2T to proc slam

[halcyon valve]

Keep gambling

[dull siren]

Idk, Just good gear innit

massive crit massive stats

[golden magnet]

@dull siren do you switch to execute rotation in a mob pack when they get low, or just keep cleaving?

[dull siren]

depends on the priority of the mob

[teal fossil]

@dull siren bilibili or skt

[dull siren]

skt

[teal fossil]

ok ty

I’m all in

[magic canopy]

Rework Arms

[tacit crystal]

when is worlds finals?

[devout pewter]

Yes please. Will likely come in 13.0. Already stoked for it!

[shadow ibex]

[minor gust]

That's a common misconception actually. The Arms rework has been confirmed for 13.3

So you have just enough time to enjoy it before it gets deleted in wow 2

[devout pewter]

That's still better than the earlier predicitions of it coming in 14.0.7

[thick hamlet]

warrior rework in poe2 early access confirmed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYCUhLy2SZQ

[devout pewter]

I'll rather be a warrior in warhammer

[raw sapphire]

Is there any guide on whats i can spell reflect in each dungeon?

or a list?

[thick hamlet]

yes 1 sec

[quaint otter]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715

[thick hamlet]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQCkBEkOadsvO4sTphB1RwzC6Z_3kq00IFaBrCk5Eagz2Jeoox7D7Rk3XwXMINbh4lUg9Vr-3RgoB2/pubhtml#

[sacred zodiac]

arms just got shot outback

dead spec after that nerf

[daring flicker]

real

[vital mulch]

Spongie you silly goose

[remote ledge]

for juggernaut slayer build, is crit or haste generally better ?

[cinder verge]

do you guys hit cleave during ST as M+ colossus?

[dull siren]

unplayable now

[full furnace]

The only reason to press cleave in ST is if you have collateral damage stacks from the pack before

[cinder verge]

oh

is it bad that i dont actively keep track of those

[full furnace]

the game tracks it by default, cleave glows if you have stacks

[cinder verge]

ah

so hit cleave if button glows got it

[sick gazelle]

well you only get one cleave and the buff lasts 30s so you can wait til you have more buffs for it

[regal wharf]

5 downgraded to a 4

healer left after the first boss

[austere hamlet]

What’s this discord and how do I join it? 🙂

[devout pewter]

Tmy our warrior celeb

[icy mulch]

@magic canopy Arms was given a whole bunch bleeds due to PVP nonsense. (Addressing your Youtube video)
I agree with you there is a lot of clunky nonsense in Arms spec.

[magic canopy]

die SkS die

[icy mulch]

lol, true.

Love the description though, that made me chuckle.

[cedar kayak]

guys. execute is not cleaving with SS

[icy mulch]

Throw it on the pile with the rest of the bugs in live right now.

[smoky kayak]

it is for me

[icy mulch]

Go ask an enhance shaman how they're liking the spirit wolf bug. I to would like 20% passive damage boosts, that can stack.

[quaint otter]

Its visual bug

In fact it does

[smoky kayak]

Shaman has always been like that, but Warrior is reasonably bug free

[icy mulch]

Yeah, I was more talking about bugs in general. Always something broken, some minor some not.

[smoky kayak]

there are always going to be a few minor things, but we have a pretty good response rate on our bugs, and we don't seem to create new ones every patch the way some classes do

[icy mulch]

lol, yeah

Still, if you got any of those proc'in too much spirit wolves handy. We'd like some.

Would love 60% more lightning damage, passively.

[smoky kayak]

Ok, you can have +60% lightning damage, but only as Arms

[quaint otter]

[icy mulch]

You son of a.... lol

[quaint otter]

Mountain Thane arms

[full furnace]

spamming thunder clap

i'm sure i can find an old engi consumable that does lightning damage

quick jab with a duracell AA battery

[icy mulch]

If Arms ever does get a rework, I hope we get the CS reset back.

[nova marsh]

Fuck flowing spirits

burn it

[icy mulch]

lol, have you seen any abusing it?

It's fucking wild man.

[nova marsh]

I have

Blizzard should've never made that ambomination

I'm just glad it's not required, cuz good lord enhance does NOT need even MORE rng

I saw someone do a +17 with like....17 wolves up

their EBs hit....ridiciously hard

[quaint otter]

[nova marsh]

Yeah like

God that needs to die

Cuz either it's absoutlely busted and you have to take it or it's a trash talent that has no chance of competing with Witch doctor's

[icy mulch]

Yeah, I didn't even get a chance to build up Demolish in a SoB 11.

@magic canopy To answer your final question, Arms needs a rework. We need to go back to Cata or Legion and start from there.
Right now Arms is a vanilla class with expansion borrowed power duct taped to it. We find ways to make some of it work, but most of it is a straight jumbled mess.
Also, no one is as much of a "cry baby poo poo" as mages.

[nova marsh]

arms just needs new ideas

and not the pure garbage we have now. GOOD new ideas

[icy mulch]

I'd be fine with new ideas, as long as it makes the class make sense.

Not micro manage 6 different things for a "possible" pay off.

[nova marsh]

arms needs to actually have a good rotation

[icy mulch]

Or to have your pay off get hard fucked cause the tank had to run away from something.

[fresh sierra]

i am back to rank one on my realm pog

[icy mulch]

[nova marsh]

what realm

[fresh sierra]

bleeding hallow

[runic tundra]

Didn't play legion so no idea wtf legion arms was

Enlighten me

[hexed saddle]

peak

big slow hits

tactician reset CS and MS

no OP

slam was "good"

[vital rune]

How are you guys getting these absurd overalls? Just did a 8 Siege for crests that we blasted and barely made it to 1.3m as colo

[shadow ibex]

pull size

[runic tundra]

"Good"

[hexed saddle]

yeah i mean it was as good as a filler could be

[runic tundra]

What's wrong with OP?

[hexed saddle]

budget legion CS

[runic tundra]

What's the difference between CS now and the Legion one?

[hexed saddle]

worse in every way

mastery increased damage taken on enemies with CS

[runic tundra]

Oh damn

🥶

[hexed saddle]

i think it had like a 20s cd as well

or close to it

[runic tundra]

That's sounds pretty neat actually

[thorn pelican]

legion slam with triple uhhh

whatever it was called

[runic tundra]

So just slow powerful hits

I can fuck with that

[thorn pelican]

wait im thinking bfa

[hexed saddle]

im pretty sure ur thinking of the bfa azerite trait

[runic tundra]

Beats pressing shit for the sake of pressing something

[hexed saddle]

crushing force or whatever

[thorn pelican]

ya def was

was very stupid

[hexed saddle]

it was gameplay flow of CS -> MS (tact reset) -> CS -> MS

it was just so fucking good

you also got increased crit/damage on your next MS or execute after pressing CS

it was so sick

you also had warbreaker + CS

and when you pressed warbreaker it echoed a portion of your damage dealt as shadow

[shadow ibex]

CS should just be WB

[hexed saddle]

everything was just so peak

[shadow ibex]

and by wb i mean warbringer

[hexed saddle]

the only thing people didnt like was CS reset rng

[nova marsh]

Look at how they massacured my boy

[shadow ibex]

[hexed saddle]

but this issue was fixed with titanic might (basically just spiteful serenity) reduced CS CD by 8 and increased the duration by 8s

[runic tundra]

Who'd theyvmove from that design philosophy I wonder?

[dull karma]

Hey, I noticed a couple things that been bothering. First, when SS, the Execute animation doesnt goes side way anymore. Also, the first boss of CoT, you used to be able to reflect the orbs before the spawns on you. Now you can't. And in the same dungeon, on the second boss, you used to be able to dispell the slow from the icicles by charginb but now you can't. Any thoughts on all this?

[runic tundra]

Even the description of Arms on the talent spec seems to imply slow methodical gameplay

[hexed saddle]

nvm this was tied to battlecry, not to warbreaker

[shadow ibex]

we had stuff like that for awhile

bloodbath

bloodbath been gone awhile tho

[hexed saddle]

but it might as well be the same

[shadow ibex]

i mean if you squint, thats just ToM really

if they wanted to be like akshually

just after CS instead of BC

[hexed saddle]

the fact this isnt a current talent is sacrilegious

[shadow ibex]

CS reck

[runic tundra]

Battle cry?

[hexed saddle]

yeah it was 100% crit chance for 5 seconds

1min cd

I think (its been a while)

[runic tundra]

Sounds like it could setup some meaty hits

Blizz rework this class already I prayge

[hexed saddle]

correct!

it was sick!

[raw sapphire]

fury warrior with battle cry was sick in legion

[hexed saddle]

so funny that spiteful serenity is just this talent but with downside

they still havent learned

talents should not have kiss/curse

https://www.aboutpvp.com/tools/world-of-warcraft/wow-talent-calculator

can go look at the old talent tree if you like

[runic tundra]

Sweeping was 3 target?

Oh but for MS and execute only

[hexed saddle]

only abilities that matter

[shadow ibex]

it was passive

[hexed saddle]

im pretty sure at one point dauntless was 20% rage reduction

but got nerfed

[quaint otter]

how much haste? Yes

[runic tundra]

Damn some of these talents are sick

[hexed saddle]

yeah man

they are

very curious why warrior is just like this huh

[runic tundra]

Deadly Calm sounds like it would have been cool

[hexed saddle]

dont we still have that

or did it finally get removed

its because it wasnt rage refund

oh actually

[quaint otter]

it was ingame till df iirc

shadowlands had the talent

[hexed saddle]

i think you played that after FR got gutted

[runic tundra]

Well FR reads like it was either a 30% MS increase every 1.5seca

[frigid cipher]

yo boomer hour?

[runic tundra]

Or 90% MS damage when you wanna align with big stuff

Regardless this all seems sick and now I'm sad now

[tacit crystal]

pls say bait

[runic tundra]

Only W I can see is Fury not taking more dmg while enraged

[hexed saddle]

in the first iteration it was 50% per stack

it got nerfed twice

(i thinki)

[runic tundra]

My god

[hexed saddle]

yeah it was giga bis

for all of EN

[frigid cipher]

My issue with legion arms

[hexed saddle]

and nighthold? i think?

idk

i played fury

[frigid cipher]

Is that ToS arms is my favorite spec ever

but

before and after that

[hexed saddle]

i liked antorus

[frigid cipher]

i think it was pretty scuffed

[hexed saddle]

antorus was kinda scuffed

cause it was fob

and u didnt have unhinged tier set

[shadow ibex]

DC was in bfa and sl

Wasn't played ever

Went two whole expacs just chilling

[frigid cipher]

wasnt played in legion either

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-kermit-kermit-the-frog-muppets-stressed-gif-17987745

[frigid cipher]

Maybe EN idk.

After FR it was iftk

[hexed saddle]

im trying to find an artifact weapon calculator

and i just cant

gg

NMV

FOUND

[shadow ibex]

Now we got dance of death

[hexed saddle]

EP my beloved

[frigid cipher]

CS buffing execute is the thing im most pissed about being removed

[hexed saddle]

yeah

that was

so peak

[runic tundra]

75%

Holy

[hexed saddle]

https://www.wowdb.com/artifact-calculator#FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[runic tundra]

How hard was MS hitting for?

[shadow ibex]

Just give back cs reck

[hexed saddle]

if u feel like exploring

[hexed saddle]

my biggest crit was 20m at the end of antorus

[shadow ibex]

Probably do that as colossus in like 1.5 years

[runic tundra]

Wtf

[frigid cipher]

📉

[hexed saddle]

it had such a sich animation

and back then it increased damage from ww depending on targets hit (yasuri needs to confirm)

[frigid cipher]

I definitely forgot about that but yea that sounds familiar

[hexed saddle]

madox react content

poggers

[shadow ibex]

We get it now its just seismic reverb

[hexed saddle]

we had seismic reverb too

[runic tundra]

I'm nostalgic for a time I wasn't even part of

[hexed saddle]

yeah...

legion was just that good

its so funny for like all of beta I was talking about how current fury might replace legion fury as my fav playstyle ever

and now actually looking back im like

"nah lmfao"

[runic tundra]

Which part made you feel that way?

[hexed saddle]

unhinged cleaving

[thorn pelican]

legion fury was ur favourite?

[hexed saddle]

yeah

legion warrior in general

[runic tundra]

Well yeah that was a big tragedy

[hexed saddle]

disgusting change

actually disgusting

genuinely mad about it

[runic tundra]

Wasn't it because of slayer?

[hexed saddle]

i have no idea

probably

there was some cringe interaction with thane for fury as well

cause it (obviously) consumed mc stacks

[runic tundra]

Wouldn't it just be easier to change activation method than gut the cleaving of unhinged

Can't have shit in Azeroth

[white hedge]

Heyhey peeps
Any tips on how to do ara kara first boss as colo?
How to send cds on that boss lul

[raw sapphire]

I legit cant look at fury warrior because legion fury was so fun in antorus

the opener and the execute dmg it did

[quick vale]

are the wowhead builds up to date with 11.0.5?

[hexed saddle]

they should be yeah

[raw sapphire]

Has arms warrior ever been meta since mythic plus became a thing?

[minor gust]

yes

back in legion

[hexed saddle]

yeah in tomb of sargeras

been paying for the sins of that tier ever since

[manic stirrup]

@hexed saddle congrats on blue buddy

[hexed saddle]

hey thanks man

[manic stirrup]

no problem

[hexed saddle]

@edgy solstice savage

[edgy solstice]

immediately went to check here ahaha

[hexed saddle]

LOL

[balmy kindle]

Don't use demolish when you know the puddles are gonna come out

If it's too much then just play slayer or Thane fury

[rare kite]

maan legion arms mastery made colossus smash actually hit for something then shattered defenses made the next ms feel so fkn good

[white hedge]

Thats just asking to die kek
I was just wondering if i have to save cds for adds or sweeping alone is rnough for adds

[balmy kindle]

In my group I am usually on the spider duty

Since arms / fury are amazing at handling those adds

Just watch for webs. Sweeping is optional since cleave is going to be the main thing

[white hedge]

Ah aye so keep cds for em aye

[slow saddle]

Reduce amps!!! Buff baseline ms!

[balmy kindle]

Also some tree redesign will be nice, why does fury get to have so many stuff for free

Meanwhile our tree is kind of ???

[edgy solstice]

used to be 100x worse

[balmy kindle]

Like our tree is kind of like random modifiers that don't really make much sense

Worst offender particularly on the right side leading to cleave

[quaint otter]

And why is dreadnought so shit

[hexed saddle]

need to spend more time playing fury if you think its not "???" as well

[balmy kindle]

Well it's not amazing but at least there's some coherence

Also their capstones are not that terrible

[hexed saddle]

fury capstones are shit

[balmy kindle]

Serious ? I mean OF And RA cant be that bad

[hexed saddle]

OF is pretty much gone from m+

in favour of more prio damage

RA is good

thats about it

[balmy kindle]

Yeah on the new Thane build for sure

[hexed saddle]

ngl they have no more coherence than arms, fury just doesnt ahve much identity outside of "press ur buttons" so its not as glaring

[balmy kindle]

Just wished they streamlined our tree more

[edgy solstice]

they've shifted the power away from fury's successful simple design

[balmy kindle]

Kinda forced to play fury for prog

[edgy solstice]

the ww rampage etc cycle doesn't do shit anymore

[hexed saddle]

big issue is that they think bfa was peak design

and refuse to stray from it

for both specs

[edgy solstice]

i wouldnt say that applies to arms

every xpac we're kinda just thrown in a mixer and taken back out

[hexed saddle]

yeah but its still bfa core design

like everything that arms has as its foundation rn is from bfa

[edgy solstice]

at least we're not getting a different mastery every xpac

progress

[balmy kindle]

Some part of me is like can we get an actual mastery

Deep wounds is kind of ehh

[hexed saddle]

not really sure why the fucking SL mastery of all things is where they landed

legion mastery was infinitely better

actual dopamine

[balmy kindle]

True even with focused rage legion mastery had more interaction

Instead of just ok heres a bleed with % amp

[edgy solstice]

easier to balance ig

[cobalt sinew]

pull it out by the roots

[radiant gale]

is the icy veins or wowhead up to date when it comes to talents etc?

[icy mulch]

I don't have footage of Legion, but I do have some of Cata.

Sorry for the late reply, I went to bed.

[misty goblet]

What does arms struggle with atm when compared to fury and other melee dps?

[still fox]

nothing we can all for 12-14 keys and on high m+ is meta meta

meta have more utility and better defs

[icy mulch]

A smooth rotation that makes sense.

[teal fossil]

Incredible cd misalignment

Low numbers

[deft bluff]

Gang

Arms played in mdi

Anyone know what the tech was

[untold oyster]

I think mostly because the 3rd boss doesn't have armor so a warrior does pretty well in there

City of Threads that is

[edgy solstice]

survivability if anything

@arms struggles

but damage isn't there either

[icy mulch]

Did you notice the level of the key?

[deft bluff]

I can check it but i believe it was 9

[boreal quartz]

9 COT

[icy mulch]

Yeah, anything works sub 10.

[boreal quartz]

its still a speedrun comp

and they were close

[deft bluff]

Ye

If the arms tech won it would actually have been interesting

It wasn’t straight bas

[icy mulch]

Point is, at sub 10 everyone has enough survivability.

[deft bluff]

I also think it was only because their tank runs prot paladin

[icy mulch]

What was the rest of their comp?

[boreal quartz]

ppal rsham arm enha rog

iirc

or was it dk over enha

cant remember

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nm9TdkP3b4zqpvhH#fight=last&type=damage-done 🤷‍♂️

[balmy kindle]

Mainly survivability, fury is like a cockroach

You can't die unless you peel aggro off your tank or get hit by one shots

[deft bluff]

Which does happen if you’re not careful

[balmy kindle]

I don't like fury that much but once u go towards 11+ fury is alot easier to play

[edgy solstice]

defensive talents need to be giga buffed

arms just has a heart attack during any mechanic

[balmy kindle]

Outside of paying attention with aggro you can play very recklessly as fury where with arms u just dir

[balmy kindle]

It's a case of am I getting one shot every time

[vast hinge]

I would say arms is the squishest class in the game

Prob worse than a mm in terms of sruvivability

[astral talon]

mountain of muscle and scars

and blizz thought we're good 😄

[balmy kindle]

Would argue shamans mages and hunters are probably worse since you need to be very proactive

Most players are not that good

[edgy solstice]

mountain of tissue and paper

[vast hinge]

Mages have like a 70% wall

[balmy kindle]

Yeah but your average mage player can't even figure out alter time

And u think they gonna slot mass barrier

[vast hinge]

I press die by the sword, spell reflect , and dstance and almost died to 2nd boss swarm in like 2 seconds in a 13

If I didn’t health pot I was 100% dead

[balmy kindle]

It's the healing part that's the pain point

[edgy solstice]

no ehp and no immunes

[vast hinge]

I swear that swarm on fury I just press victory rush

And it wouldn’t kill me

[edgy solstice]

it's just bad. i would take some def over dps any day rn

[balmy kindle]

There's a good reason why high keys tend to lean to 2 DKs

Too much hp with AMS as well for more ehp

[slow saddle]

Arms weakest plate survival for sure

[boreal quartz]

@thick kelp powerful 21% versa

[slow saddle]

Esp coz ip is so bad!

[thick kelp]

powerful

[boreal quartz]

i should rlly craft 2 pvp ringas

but i cba

i even have the mats

[tacit crystal]

half of my gear is pve

🙂

[boreal quartz]

i should just conq rings soontm

[tacit crystal]

yeah i bought them

[boreal quartz]

632 pvp ilvl xdd

[tacit crystal]

638

[balmy kindle]

Can't deny it, esp when IP is dog now and we have non existent self heals outside of VR

[tacit crystal]

pressing ip in pvp

is the most depressing thing in the world

you think its bad in pve

the second i press it in pvp

its gone

im serious

[slow saddle]

It does rly need strengthening

[balmy kindle]

Lol PvP in 2024 though

[slow saddle]

Coz we csn never 3 stack it

[tacit crystal]

bored + tmog

[slow saddle]

Shuffllee

Tmogs are bis

[balmy kindle]

Ya but arms is no longer what it was

[quasi torrent]

i think u log off 2nd warr instead

[tacit crystal]

based

[slow saddle]

Arms good in pvp?

[tacit crystal]

0 fuckign clue

🙂

i just do pve rotation

and press everything on cd

apparently 2k is free if you just do damage

[slow saddle]

Kek

Spear then?

Collosus?

I know its slayer but a man can dream

[boreal quartz]

double mage lobby gna kms

[tacit crystal]

phil

i had thois

you are lucky

[slow saddle]

Blood tank?

Tank specs should be disabled for pvp

[tacit crystal]

yeah but pdfiles still play them

[icy mulch]

Watching the replay. It's cool to see a dps warrior in MDI, but I don't see any special reason for it.

[boreal quartz]

ended up just murdering the shit healer

[tacit crystal]

yeah i went 1-5

[edgy solstice]

dirty pvpers

[tacit crystal]

?

just queued 1 day

better than people

crazy people are hardstuck unrionically

[icy mulch]

Hol up .... my trader's tender is just gone. I didn't buy anything

[edgy solstice]

it's a bug

visual

[icy mulch]

but I can't buy anything

[edgy solstice]

ya gotta log out of bnet and come back

happened to me a couple times now

[icy mulch]

Weird.....

[prisma crag]

Happened to me

except

i had alot more

than I should have

also how tf did I click on the arms channel

i dont play this class

[stuck pebble]

The class must be free if people aren't even making use of their 2nd health bar

[languid turtle]

[wanton sierra]

Does solo sufle queue got better? I played like 3 matches and all of em was like 15 20 min wait

[remote ledge]

Does improved sweeping strike have its place in slayer?

[tacit crystal]

nope

🙂

10-15 min waits

i got like 3 20 minutes so far

[gaunt owl]

not many people do pvp

and solo shuffle is a real small part thats the problem

[tacit crystal]

yeah

also kinda boring being perma cc'd

honestly going to play for a few more hours and if i coinflip 2100

it is what it is

[halcyon valve]

Pvp is kinda cringe

[tacit crystal]

kinda?

[dull siren]

Just play all content

[tacit crystal]

real

[halcyon valve]

I once watched one of the wow 3v3 arena streams, god damn this sucks, why does anyone play it

[tacit crystal]

tmy i miss playing eb

[halcyon valve]

Its just 6 guys hitting each other until one of the healers runs out of mana and one person dies because of it, then the match just ends immediately

[tacit crystal]

tmy why do you prio massacre vs eb

?

thats the most out of touch thing ever

xd

[dull siren]

Because one is RNG and one isn't as well as Execute slaps

#showtooltip Execute
/cast [@mouseover, exists, harm] Execute; [@target, exists] Execute

[astral talon]

becasue its fun to shit on other people

as rude as it sounds

[halcyon valve]

i mean yeah obviously, people wouldnt do it if they hated it

but to me it just looks like the worst part of wow lmao

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/mualani-genshin-impact-genshin-cute-genshin-cute-gif-9213918674297824443

[latent moss]

🤓

play battlelord no balls

[devout pewter]

EB does feel better than Massacre tho. Especially since Colossus is rage starved so fast from it. Or does that get better with even better gear?

(EB also Sims better for me lmao)

[balmy kindle]

been contemplating to put the last point to EP or battlelord and i think the former is slightly better ? with EB you hardly press overpower lol

[dull siren]

I have 0 rage issues @devout pewter

[latent moss]

try pressing execute twice without critical thinking

[balmy kindle]

on colo EP i tend to just use exe once , any more i run out of rage and end up staring at the boss.

Battlelord doesnt really do much with the EB + MBG

[remote ledge]

this is why i play slayer

[balmy kindle]

how's slayer post buffs on keys

[dull siren]

Just chargeweave to make up for the rage factor.

[remote ledge]

i don't know im pisslow

[dull siren]

I'm streaming MDI today during play since we have to have someone stream apparently

[remote ledge]

i guess it wrecks bosses

[dull siren]

@latent moss

[latent moss]

ye i saw it

[dull siren]

gg

[latent moss]

eta gg arms gameplay

also

why did u dk

tmyl

https://tenor.com/view/dog-fail-frisbee-gif-24192005

[dull siren]

Hmm?

TmyL was a cook, I played warlock for 1 day like 4hours

[boreal quartz]

Bros lying

[dull siren]

that's all I had on it

[boreal quartz]

No tmydk

Fake sl char

Ong

[dull siren]

I have Tmydk ready

we used it in NW

[latent moss]

seems like there was some misinformation around

[boreal quartz]

Spoilers

@dull siren where ele

[dull siren]

We don't play NW

[boreal quartz]

[dull siren]

No ele

[boreal quartz]

Who's winning worlds tmy

[dull siren]

Arms is really good in Mists / Dawnbreaker / Siege

[dull siren]

skt

keria needs happy tears

[boreal quartz]

Worlds into mdi

Great gaming day

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/league-of-legends-tryndamere-game-plan-tryndamere-game-plan-gif-5612322426658101352

[dull siren]

u mean

Raid > worlds > MDI

[boreal quartz]

kill soon or

[halcyon valve]

Worlds -> right back into the monster hunter wilds beta

[dull siren]

we have our first day here now 2day weekend guild

so

1hour 30 on it rn

and we r breaking shield soon

[boreal quartz]

ah ye

90 mins and finishing p1 is good pace

[latent moss]

with 60 fps on a 4090 cause the worlds best cpu 7800x3d is bottlenecking it

cinema company

cinema engine

[boreal quartz]

HOW

[halcyon valve]

beta moment

[boreal quartz]

beta pc on jah

aquire more cores

my companies IT guy plays on server gpus

allat for terraria

[halcyon valve]

lmao

[boreal quartz]

well he used to be our IT guy

he went on a mad drug trip and then didnt show up for 3 months and got fired

[halcyon valve]

least insane IT guy

[latent moss]

idk the optimization is horrendous atm

like with a 5600 which is a very very popular cpu

[halcyon valve]

it can only get better from here

[latent moss]

u cant get 60

gpu legit doesnt matter

[halcyon valve]

they already confirmed that their internal builds have a bunch of improvements that are not in this beta

[latent moss]

resident evil ahh engine in an open world game

i hope

[halcyon valve]

plus a previous interview said that they devote the last ~6 months solely to optimization and polishing because the game is basically done

[boreal quartz]

i mean u cant make a game no one can play

[halcyon valve]

you can actually

it just wont sell well

[latent moss]

nah it will if u fix it later

people talk about it more and for longer

im interested to see where graphics will go i feel like raster is just dead

[boreal quartz]

[halcyon valve]

i have no reason to not trust them on being able to improve things until release
during this beta so far i only have two issues:

• the game crashes annoyingly often
• some textures dont get loaded at the resolution they should so it looks shit

[latent moss]

game doesnt look that intensive for gpus

mostly engine related issues

[halcyon valve]

the crashes are probably something with the engine, because its the exact same with DD2 since a later update

hoping they can fix that

[steep osprey]

I bought 4 tier 2 so far

[boreal quartz]

i have bought none

i hate the event

its so bad

[steep osprey]

what event

just do everything in khaz algar

and get tokens

[boreal quartz]

i do not do weeklies

im not a dog

[cyan oriole]

u get 8 tokens from just doing world boss

[steep osprey]

you can do all the weeklies in under an hour

to get 100 tokens

[silk lily]

don't forget to kill queen you get 15 now first kill for the week (unsure about LFR)

[boreal quartz]

you think i do anything other than content that gains me dps

[silk lily]

haha

[boreal quartz]

tmog is included in this

but the t2 thing isnt dps gain

[cyan oriole]

t2 gives dps gain like flames on side of car make it go faster

ur at a disadvantage rn

[gaunt owl]

this tier 2 revamp isnt that good

[silk lily]

the monk and dk ones are incredible imo

[boreal quartz]

i will collect it

but i prefer my old t2 mog

[halcyon valve]

dk is really cool yeah

[halcyon valve]

upgraded pala set is a no brainer

the rest i dont really care much about

[silk lily]

hunter is probably the sharpest art wise

[cyan oriole]

druid one looks really good too

[nova marsh]

I like ours the most

[devout pewter]

Curios about that and sorry to bother. But how? I have to use an brain internal cooldown on it in order to not rage starve myself from ... basically doing the DF rota to get the 2 stacks before the next MS.
Or did I miss something and we rather hold MS during exe?

[nova marsh]

Charging someone and driving a blade into their shoulde5 sounds sick

[tacit crystal]

you press execute 2 ep 2 lb

[dull siren]

Charge weave

[tacit crystal]

and that

[dull siren]

Track melee swings

biggest tip for arms

[devout pewter]

Charge weave barely made a dent for me. But I guess I'm just pressing MS too often.

I do track swings

[dull siren]

Idk I'm streaming MDI today

just wathc it l8r ig

[modest carbon]

Beating those meta speccs with a big mariginal is chefs kiss just a NW and GB 11, but still feels good

[dull siren]

since apparently someone in each team has to stream

[devout pewter]

Yeah, ill tune in

Honestly havent had much practice this season so there might be too many factors too lmao

[balmy kindle]

sv9 but with slayer build hmm

felt more squishy but man reap hits like a truck

[remote ledge]

What was your build, I feel like doing something wrong

Cos exec usually my first damage output, or second

[balmy kindle]

was kind of experimenting

i got alot of flak before running EB but since MS and reap is better now i thought well just become beyblade incarnate

with this build i dont push execute if there's no slayer marks / no SD (basically playing fury on arms)

[remote ledge]

I'll try it, I like EB but I thought it was Colo exclusive

[balmy kindle]

i mean if u think about it reap has a 200 ms cd and slayer is flooded with so much rage

[remote ledge]

You still fish for exec targets in aoe right?

[balmy kindle]

not really, i only execute if theres slayer mark so BS goes faster

because of the cleave node, any 2T = cleave is better

[icy mulch]

@magic canopy Hope you don't mind, I linked your Arms vs Fury video on the official forums.

[balmy kindle]

like i dont know if this is optimal or not, but i personally think execute is balls in m+

[remote ledge]

Consistent 1m5+ hits

[balmy kindle]

only with marks though thats the thing, by default the sudden death procs are very meh to press

even so, exe still dealt considerable dmg at 4th

[remote ledge]

your build reminds me of this chinese build i found earlier in the xpac
It seems and SIMS bad but the gameplay was very nice (just simmed, 5% behind unethical build, and 2% behind ur build in dungeon slice, so maybe ??)

[magic canopy]

You can do whateva my man.

It's an opinion piece more then anything.

[balmy kindle]

yeah it sims bad for sure because this build is highly carried by reap in pulls thats funneled by EB

[warped ether]

if you go full jugg build it kinda feels like s 3 DF

[balmy kindle]

I personally hate having to track it, even more so in keys

[warped ether]

true

that shit falls off every other pack

or you get lucky and have 70%+ uptime on it

happend to me only 1 tough xd

[still fox]

i play this on most keys 👍🏻

[balmy kindle]

lol glad to see i am not crazy, it does feel squishier than colo tho but the dmg profile is nice

[still fox]

yep ☺️

[mint shell]

i'm doing basically the same just traded the 35% execute for SKS

[remote ledge]

blunt instrument seems better for every scenario also

[still fox]

yea also okay but i am not fan of the new sks

[mint shell]

ye i auto lockin dreadnought and blunt instruments

it's fun and smoother imo

[remote ledge]

i feel like dn does negative damage i hate it

[balmy kindle]

with slayer my thinking is grab any aoe i get

[mint shell]

i mean on overall if you dreadnaught is less than 1.8% than the SoA is worth it

most of my overalls line up around 2.2-3%

[astral yarrow]

Soa is most of time worth it. The damage DN does is kinda cosmetic

[mint shell]

and feels to me like i balance blunt instruments with dreaudnaught in my profile

[remote ledge]

okay then my dn damage is normal

[astral yarrow]

Nerfed too much

[cyan oriole]

this is the build that sims highest for me. took 1 out of bb and put it into SS depending on comp

taking EB for me was too big of a loss on ST with not much gain for aoe

[balmy kindle]

the thing with EB is that it works AMAZING with mbg

[cyan oriole]

battlelord feels really nice too. i dont get super rage starved in execute

[mint shell]

this is me RN, debatin 35% execute vs one point in DE

[astral yarrow]

Can’t you take 2x BB over SKS

[cyan oriole]

yea that sims best for aoe. but i switch it in and out depending on group comp

[astral yarrow]

Miss me with sks in keys man

[mint shell]

i like it xD

[astral yarrow]

Not like colossus lacks buttons you want to get off as well

[mint shell]

i dont play sks in colossus

but i play it in slayer

[cyan oriole]

it can be pretty good if you pair it with arterial blood

[astral yarrow]

That’s also a crime

[mint shell]

and tbh am leaning more and more to just play slayer everywhere xcept ovi'nax

[balmy kindle]

honestly post buff hmm its prolly kind of close lol, reap procs kind of hurt

[mint shell]

ye, just have to remember to focus on cleave and MS, not OP as much

cleave dmg from OP is nice but nowhere close as another spin

[cunning mauve]

Is this colossus or slayer?

[icy mulch]

👍 I pointed to it to address a question about why Arms is not usually taken to keys.

[magic canopy]

Was it one of my older ones? I don't remember a arms vs fury vid

[balmy kindle]

ngl fury's ability to take alot of hits like a roach is kinda nice

wished we can have some of that

[modest carbon]

Col

[icy mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fWrQnbIGXU

[magic canopy]

Ah okay

Thought I did a arms vs fury m+ video before or something

👴 me

[icy mulch]

You did 11 months ago

[magic canopy]

I yap too much can't keep track

[icy mulch]

lol

[astral yarrow]

Can you do it while playing OW

Better stream content than wow

[balmy kindle]

anyone has thoughts on the culminating blasphemite ? the effect sims lower than just stacking stones

[latent moss]

arms bleeds just have 0 interactions with the rest of kit

bleeds are completely disconnected

[boreal quartz]

even sks

doesnt do anything

[latent moss]

sks is even worse

sks just feels shit to pres

press

s2 df sks was more annoying to use but it felt 10x better

[astral yarrow]

I actually think old sks would feel better when the standard isn’t 2x deft

[boreal quartz]

old sks was whack

but great

mindfuck too...

[latent moss]

it was whack i agree but u felt something

[astral yarrow]

I also think it felt like it did something because it actually had an impact on rotation

[latent moss]

imma be honest

i dont think the problem lies within sks itself

bleeds just dont do anything on this spec

they just deal damage

if there were some mechanics like procs or something and sks speeding them up as well would be fucking sick

it would be like a mini cd window

whenever u had sks

[astral yarrow]

Yeah I like the idea of it sort of being like kingsbane for assa

[boreal quartz]

ye it was tricky as shit

esp with rend duration mattering

loved it

but hard to adjust to

[latent moss]

me when i have to use my brain to play a spec

noooooO!!

must be like fury

!!

[astral yarrow]

I think it was a little cringe that refreshing rend if below like 21 seconds before pressing sks was cringe, but with how it worked idk how you would avoid stuff like that

[echo copper]

Do arms have Stat caps? beacuse I see some people having crafted neck with Crit/Mast why?

[astral yarrow]

I probably still have s2 private apl lying around somewhere as I don’t think it ever was pushed

[boreal quartz]

sims better

[boreal quartz]

sarri posted sims with it ages ago

[cyan oriole]

cuz crit/mastery is best for colossus

[astral yarrow]

Yeah, but I found some extra stuff from that apl. Some more sks optimization and avatar use

[boreal quartz]

fuck

[sacred zodiac]

noob lol

[boreal quartz]

its this shit hto

[sacred zodiac]

@boreal quartz idk if you noticed but we do a bit more damage than 140k now

[boreal quartz]

ty

[astral yarrow]

It exists

[boreal quartz]

ass

[astral yarrow]

I actually even have a text file and not just raidbots links

[sacred zodiac]

ass

[gaunt owl]

ass

[boreal quartz]

#gromnak-clips

[astral yarrow]

Yeah, intentional

[balmy kindle]

u would think getting hit by a big sword will make you hurt and bleed

[icy mulch]

An easy course of action would be to make it buff our damage again.

So basically copy deep wounds.

[balmy kindle]

why not merge heroic strike back into our mastery in some way

[worldly kernel]

you would either need to remove the damage amp from mastery and give old sword spec but you'd need to compensate and give a aura for the amount we would be losing from mastery around 15-20%

it would feel like old wotlk / cata arms, but you just have colossus smash and avatar now

[balmy kindle]

idk what to feel about that, my main gripe with deep wounds is that it either does alot or does nothing

[tacit crystal]

deep wounds

[balmy kindle]

at 26% mastery with mark default deep wounds actually does alot of dmg overall a dungeon, but you dont feel it

[worldly kernel]

I mean it's mostly based off of how many things you're putting it on and it's really only used for the damage amp, it's not like BFA where it was 99% of your damage

[frosty warren]

is the damage in the room with us

[fossil mantle]

on one hand I get it, on the other I dont want another BFA Arms where 70 percent of our dmg is from a passive debuff.

[boreal quartz]

i mean dw is just not interesting

in the slightest

nor is rend xd

[balmy kindle]

Sims keeps saying go crit haste, but high mastery makes deep wounds good, but u dont feel it outside of the meters

adding insult to injury its like a 0.1%-0.2% on ST but big diff on aoe

[worldly kernel]

having low CD ms And rage to ms > 1% bleed damage

[halcyon valve]

clearly they should revert skullsplitter to instantly doing all of the remaining bleed ticks instantly

[boreal quartz]

ye

but that created complex gameplay

cant have that

[worldly kernel]

i have no idea why they changed that in the first place

[balmy kindle]

It was fun farming a fat TOM

[boreal quartz]

cuz youd have non dw ms next

[sacred zodiac]

die tom

[balmy kindle]

then sniping skullsplitter

[boreal quartz]

and with ep thats akward

DIE TOM DIE

[worldly kernel]

fuck it press the buttons again

[balmy kindle]

idk thats how i remembered skullsplitter

[halcyon valve]

getting a 40% ToM before you pop fatality hmmmm

[tacit crystal]

im making a joke because its pvp

im just spmaming ms

[sacred zodiac]

idk only time in the history of wow where tom was somewhat interesting to play around was on raszageth and only on first kill and super early reclears

spam executes during lust to get a bigger tom oly moly

[halcyon valve]

execute lust on raszageth was hype

[worldly kernel]

you mean you didnt like bfa s4 when you could increase your rage regen by 100% and get a 14k strength tom

[boreal quartz]

TOM in fated into shield

(dogshit design perish TOM)

sark hc boost 60% TOM with bl in p3

[quasi torrent]

press 1 button for 30 globals straight

wow gameplay!!!!

[old urchin]

Shit feels goood

11 mists

[west wasp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1042069396195135488/20221115_133028.gif

[remote ledge]

i do not liek this, ill go back to unethical even if im low

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jQtL9YHMV1GXf8AF#fight=15&type=summary
gellyfisk playing slayer ??

[quartz canopy]

Cleave + Exhilarating Blows goes very hard on Slayer with the Reap procs, the number one M+ arms player is using it. Not sure if it's better AoE than Colossus, but it's close and it feels more fun to play for me.

[remote ledge]

maybe i was missing some cue when i played eb as slayer, i wasn't going with warbringer neither

[balmy kindle]

had a blast just now with it on Sv9

was doing some truly unethical dmg

[boreal quartz]

@cyan sage whats the tech 👀

[tacit crystal]

not jug

[potent fractal]

nice what hero talent?

[lucid lotus]

hey! what is the prio during Sweeping strikes?

[strange perch]

All arms builds that dont pop 1e6 dps are discarded

[boreal quartz]

depending on amount of targets youd prio ms and speding mp on it over cleave

colo and slayer both rlly wanna hit both off cd tho

[remote ledge]

i think i'm doing something bad

[boreal quartz]

a

[tacit crystal]

b

[cyan oriole]

c

[valid flame]

d

[astral talon]

e

[manic stirrup]

q

[gaunt owl]

and thats why we cant have nice things

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-meme-mods-gif-18091864705525459424

[manic stirrup]

i cant count my bad

[remote ledge]

no EB no BL slayer build, is the damage repartition normal ? (sob 7 farming those rn)

[balmy kindle]

like i think you can see how compared to mine your ratio of execute dmg is alot higher

[remote ledge]

did 1.25M overall with this build lemme ss it

i do lower with eb builds idk, but there is a way for me to gain some dps overall

[remote ledge]

i press it too much ? i ahve 74 cleaves for 184 exec, but average cleave 200k :d

[balmy kindle]

yeah to me execute is not wroth pressing unless theres marks

thus the comparison to fury

you only press exe or use ur SD proc in non execute phases when target is marked or best 3 marked

[tacit crystal]

so the normal rotation?

[plain hollow]

what´s the most solid colo build in m+ ? is it the one that´s posted in dps faq?

[remote ledge]

yea i pressed it almost as soon as i have it in non exec

[balmy kindle]

yeah thats why haha, in keys you prolly better off proccing reap

[remote ledge]

then why do i pick sudden death if i do'nt spend them

or should i go jugg build if i wanna spam exec

[balmy kindle]

Good question, i do find SD very good on bosses though, like i am actually thinking of playing slayer now for keys

[balmy kindle]

yes but in keys u are lieky to drop it

[remote ledge]

i guess it's fine if it suits my gameplay more

[thick kelp]

you generally have no space for Sd in rota

and in boss its

eh

[remote ledge]

the builds you sent me both ahve them :d

[thick kelp]

didnt look over them

[remote ledge]

im performing best with unethical tho

[thick kelp]

well yeah

thats the point of that build

[remote ledge]

unethical is the one i sent

[thick kelp]

to do big overalls

[remote ledge]

i wouldnt say big

for me

[balmy kindle]

i think you are right since slayer strikes do give sudden death

[remote ledge]

so ud also say to spam cleave ms op and pretty much forget about SD procs above exec threshold

while in jugg build, i should go mainly for those procs and switch target to exec right ?

[thick kelp]

Jugg is all about sweeping executes asap

unethical you can completely forget SD in aoe

[balmy kindle]

gonna try forgoing SD and see how it performs, man this slayer build is not unethical

[plucky mortar]

I didn't know you can get auto attacked with a melee from the first boss of dawnbreaker for 5.5 mil hp

[slow saddle]

We are "plate"

We die

[remote ledge]

is there another talent nod to take then ? if i wanna maximise overall isntead of SD ?

[thick kelp]

massa or EB

[remote ledge]

which one do YOU prefer

your pieces of advice did me well until now

[thick kelp]

EB

[remote ledge]

ty

[teal fossil]

Oh yeah I forgot we can skip sd now

Since we take fob

[wet current]

EB combined with Battlelord feels so fun. wish it did more dmg

[slow saddle]

If baseline ms slappet

[gaunt owl]

buff MS by 50%

easy

[slow saddle]

Nerf martial prowess

[remote ledge]

then u use cleave on CD as soon as 2 targets

[slow saddle]

And overall dmg will be the same but we can play more builds

[thick kelp]

yeah

[astral talon]

and this depletes 😦

fucking hell

[full furnace]

i would love for fob to go back like it was pre talents rework

[cunning mauve]

What key and what hero talents?

[astral talon]

12 nw

[cunning mauve]

Sickkk

I cant break 2mill on fury overall

Clearing 12s

Close - 1.7-1.8 but damn. Good work

[remote ledge]

you rock

[astral talon]

that was before clear tho

ill send after xD

[thick kelp]

[gaunt matrix]

#1 Arms warrior build according to raider.io

started doing +16s

crazy

[slow saddle]

Wtf is that mess?🤣

[gaunt matrix]

idk lmao its china build but hes #1

[slow saddle]

True

[vital summit]

IP stronk

[slow saddle]

Hiya uncle roger build

[astral talon]

ok im not sending after

we wiped 3 times

not sending mydepression

[sacred zodiac]

i will not spend 40 rage on 1/20th of my hp bar on a mitigation shield

[slow saddle]

🤣 just use it 3 times!

[thick kelp]

is this

the 10000000th

time we go over the china build

and open his logs

and see he is nearly losing to his BDK

in overalls

[boreal quartz]

Isnt this the guy we assumed to be boosted

[gaunt matrix]

😛

probs lmao

[boreal quartz]

Gelle is playing smth very similar tho

[gaunt matrix]

hes colossus

[thick kelp]

You can however

play something like this

bbx2 and deftx2 is preference

[gaunt matrix]

this is what gelly was running besides FBV it was IP

[astral talon]

1.72 after few wipes 😦

[astral yarrow]

the guy has 2 arakara runs lol

aint no way

[thick kelp]

ye we already went over

that he is boosted

Like 3 weeks ago

[astral yarrow]

thats hella funny

[slow saddle]

It makes me cry we cant take avatar talents

[astral yarrow]

You do in ST

[astral talon]

okay how the fuck do you time necrotic

shit's unreal

i swear

[remote ledge]

no he plays almost the same build as slayer, but gets EP

it's actually the build walhe recommended me half an horu ago, same as china but well put together, i guess gelly likes wabringer for big pulsl ?

[summer elbow]

Guys colossus or slayer is good for m+?

[boreal quartz]

Both good

[summer elbow]

And for. Mass. Aoe? For st?

Better overalls?

[cloud gyro]

ive been playing this too since patch

1 less bleed point -> 1 point in crit tho

[boreal quartz]

Slayer does more st and can spec into obscene st

Colo just ALWAYS has dam

[remote ledge]

you could expect more aoe from colo and more ST from slayer i guess 👍

play the one you enjoy better

[gaunt matrix]

like this?

[cloud gyro]

colo = aoe burst

slayer = sustain + more st

[boreal quartz]

Colo does more sustain

[boreal quartz]

Ye thatll work

Many things work just try stuff

[summer elbow]

I really enjoy slayer but colo mass aoe is nuta

The slayer sound is very nice also i press execute more often

Colo goes with ravager and i love spinning and listening the slayer proc

Fiumm Fiumm fiumm

[strange perch]

so which one do you think its actually better for m+

[livid cloak]

#arms message

[strange perch]

oh, didnt see

im really trying both

but cant decide xD

like both of them hahaha

[boreal quartz]

Depends on key and all that

Even on comp

[worldly kernel]

you can play both, your spec doesn't matter that much unless you're doing high keys everything is viable

but performance depends on group makeup and the dungeon though