arms

[teal fossil]

The weaker your spec is the stronger the ring is

[vital summit]

yea the fact that they put our 10% on the weakest abilities doesn't really help

[edgy solstice]

a reason to stat more vers = w

[tranquil sundial]

wlords torment sims higher than uproar for me but i barely see anyone running it

and its not on wowhead either

is it bait?

[thick kelp]

on colossus ST?

[teal fossil]

Uproar also has the benefit of ease of use

And scales better into aoe

[tranquil sundial]

slayer st

[thick kelp]

link sim

[tranquil sundial]

Lemme try, not at pc atm

[tranquil sundial]

Wlord torment is completetpassive yho

[teal fossil]

It’s got some rage stuff you have to manage

But yeah

[tranquil sundial]

and makes roar presumably more difficult to miss cos u always press it b4 ava no?

[teal fossil]

Uproar also let you snipe adds

Remember there is like no pure at fight

[thick kelp]

Ahh

Warlords gained value from us now playing

Fierce followthru

and lacking crit

so all crit boosts are preferred

[teal fossil]

That’s some tech

What’s the gain vs uproar

[thick kelp]

.4% on my character

[wide burrow]

do you use macros?

[thick kelp]

no

[wide burrow]

can i ask why not?

i want to set up macros but im not 80 yet and i need all skills to do so

[teal fossil]

There are no good macros

[thick kelp]

Arms doesnt have anything to macro

[teal fossil]

If you aren’t 80 you have time to learn the rotation

Now hekili on the other hand

My goat

[wide burrow]

do you have any tips or videos i can watch for rotations? i'm really new so i don't know much

need pvp and pve rotations

[thick kelp]

Read the wowhead guide

follow pve rotation in pvp

[wide burrow]

can i bother you for a link

[teal fossil]

Google

[wide burrow]

or do i just search wowhead arms

[thick kelp]

just search

[wide burrow]

ok ty

[quaint otter]

/Cast visage(racial)
/Cast thunderous roar

[thick kelp]

you will be suprised how many pvp players will get caught offguard cuz someone actually deals damage in that game mode cuz they are doing rotation correctly

[quaint otter]

[thick kelp]

and not spamming MS which is on CD for 3 globals

and not slmming once

[teal fossil]

There’s some nuance in PvP

[wide burrow]

got it, i'll study it thoroughly 😄

[teal fossil]

I remember in sl you don’t slam if your ip isn’t full

So you don’t get one shot

[thick kelp]

Slam even got massive buffs for PVP yday

[wide burrow]

this might be the wrong channel to ask but since yall are here, is there any way i can find ppl that run 71-80 dungeons? queue takes so long

[thick kelp]

not really

you can try to make a group in custome

in group finder

Also alot of people are doing Timewalking dungeons rn

so it might be faster to Q those instead of tww dungeons

[wide burrow]

how do i queue for those? i can move to general channel if you want

[thick kelp]

from the dungeon Q drop down

choose timewalking

instead of Normal The War Within

[wide burrow]

i only see the codex of chromie, im guessing thats the one?

[thick kelp]

no

Open your dungeon finder window

[thick kelp]

damn wtf

[wide burrow]

i'll research how i can unlock timewalker

[teal fossil]

Maybe you have to be 80

What’s codex of chromie

[thick kelp]

its the scenario thing

that came with anniversary

[teal fossil]

Also won’t follower dungeons give the same do

Xp

[thick kelp]

no

they give less I thinks

[wide burrow]

yeah thats why im running war within they give 63k + mob kills exp i think so i get a lot

[fresh wren]

is anybodyelse having issues with warcraftlogs? I cant see anything in reports, tested multiple in different browsers

[balmy kindle]

Same can't see my guild logs from yesterday

[lusty creek]

i watched the last critcake video about talents after buff for M+, but do you still play sks in raid single target?

[thick kelp]

yes

[tardy glacier]

Hi, as a fury player that considers going Arms for M+ since uncapped aoe etc etc what are your guys opinion who have played both?

[thick hamlet]

arms can dish out decent damage in m+, but still a bit behind fury in most cases

[quaint otter]

[thick hamlet]

the main issue with arms vs fury is that fury is just way better on defense

[quaint otter]

And better burst

[thick hamlet]

but the main issue with fury is that it's not arms

[valid walrus]

Yep

[flat willow]

Arms has uncapped aoe ?

[thick hamlet]

nope

but i thin khe's referring to how fury excells at 5 targets

[solar quarry]

Playing fury in S3 DF I had like 30% vers it was nuts. I’d do like a 26 EB and our healer would just die to the uninterruptible AoE shouts

And wee just ate them up

But even without that you just don’t die in regular gameplay unless you fuck up

[thick hamlet]

yea arms kinda low on survivability in comparison

they also have one of the lowest natural maximum health

[solar quarry]

We had a 50m hp brood pull last night and I stayed alive with the tank on like 17% hp for a solid 20 seconds lol

[quaint otter]

7 million cleaves

[tardy glacier]

mmh okay

thanks for the info

[thick hamlet]

@tardy glacier joking aside, i think arms colossus could outdps fury in actual real m+ situations if youre VERY good at managing demolish cooldowns to maximize them on packs

too many variables with that tho, like ur route and how ur tank pulls

and while fury could have their mega burst window once a pack, u can get multiple demolishes off if the key is high enough

[tardy glacier]

yeah im talking about 10+ keys

[thick hamlet]

i mean around 12 and up

if youre in a semi competent group, majority of packs die within 1 demolish on a +10

[tardy glacier]

yeah true

[thick hamlet]

bros i've got a secret sauce build for this week specifically

[icy mulch]

?

[flat willow]

All weeks are the same

[icy mulch]

Are you about to troll us?

[thick hamlet]

you go full crit+mastery obviously, and you always have a demolish when u about to spear+avatar

with the weekly's crit chance buff

JUICY aoe

highest burst ive ever done since launch

[thick kelp]

[thick hamlet]

trust

[icy mulch]

I like the concept, but I hate spear.

[thick hamlet]

it's just another ravager

[icy mulch]

Yeah

[thick hamlet]

when you're critting demolishes for 8mill you'll like spear

[icy mulch]

Not a fan of ravager either, but it's certainly something that starts the build's engine.

[thick hamlet]

my overalls on demolish have had like 45~50% crit chance with this

ill post the build again with a details when i get into keys later

[modest carbon]

bit sus, but I would enjoy spear being usable again. i miss SL spear with bronn cdr

[thick hamlet]

if this isn't the time for "bit sus" builds, then when

[modest carbon]

just doubting spear, Bronn kind of carried spear in SL

[atomic mountain]

why obvious?

[thick hamlet]

because you're scaling bleed less than the usual builds

[austere hamlet]

fuck shamans amirite

[thick hamlet]

youre legally obliged to post build when u beat shamans

[quaint otter]

Dreadnought is bait

Is lie

[thick hamlet]

dreadnaught and strength of arms sim about the same for me

[modest carbon]

On ST? No way

[thick hamlet]

this is a m+ build

[modest carbon]

Yes, and if it sims the same on aoe. then the obvious choice is to pick the st talent

[quaint otter]

^

[thick hamlet]

i don't disagree

[quaint otter]

Check its numbers in details tho

[cyan narwhal]

big question here, should we follow execute prio on 2 or 3 targets too? maybe just during sweeping strikes? im a bit confused

[thick hamlet]

ya i dont disagree

what i personally do is go for strength of arms on 4boss dungeons, and dreadnaught on 3boss dungeons

[thick kelp]

on 2T with sweep up its worth following. In a bigger pull if you want a big mob to die faster you can do it too

really depends on the pull etc

[atomic mountain]

slayer or colo?

[tranquil sundial]

SoA, BL is nice on dawnbreaker

[cyan narwhal]

ty buddy, its good to know

[atomic mountain]

without jugga. is it still worth spaming exe in exe range? or is it better to follow rotation?

[austere hamlet]

This was colo in gb

[fossil quiver]

should demolish be delayed to sync with warbreaker colossus smash even at 10 stack? like if a pack of mob is about to die but my demolish is ready but no WB/CS, should I save it for the next pack?

[modest carbon]

I send, unless we're talking like 1 global

Takes no time to get back

[tired storm]

Has MS gotten prio in execute after the buff?

[lime plank]

is there a consensus now if colossus or arms is better in raid?

[boreal quartz]

slayer

[astral yarrow]

nothing changed rotationally no

[lone prairie]

just hit a 12.6m MS crit on first boss mists lol

[austere otter]

Hey guys, are you stacking crit haste or ?

[boreal quartz]

sim

[austere otter]

aight

and slayer is still the best?, guess the answer is sim

[signal coyote]

Apparently, generally, slayer in ST and lower keys, colossus in higher keys

[austere otter]

aight

thanks

higher keys = 10 plus or ?

[boreal quartz]

you can play colo is any key

key being high or low doesnt rlly matter

[signal coyote]

Depends on your groups gear and if its tyrannical or not

[balmy cradle]

is slayer playable in high keys?

[signal coyote]

You can yeah

[balmy cradle]

colossus in st is very me

[signal coyote]

Im just parroting what big diks say, i dont really do anything above 9s

[tranquil sundial]

the jugger slayer m+ build is pretty viable for high keys i reckon

i did 1.5 mil on it against slime boss on city of threads

pretty beeg number for ST

[boreal quartz]

i think both spider keys are jugg keys

GB still is

[silk lily]

My apologies if I missed it but sounds like no update to the guides is needed and they are still up to date or are we still waiting? Tyia

[boreal quartz]

nothing rlly changed

just 1-2 talent points u can swap depending on sims

[silk lily]

Ty appreciate it. This chat flies by sometimes

[tranquil sundial]

yeah you definitely wanna run brutal finish instead of the bladestorm on in slayer hero talent tree

[boreal quartz]

you can swap these

around a bit

[tranquil sundial]

and then you might run warlord for uproar

[languid wyvern]

or preverences - differences are usually really small but can significally improve gameplay

[tranquil sundial]

ye that

[boreal quartz]

i dont think culling cyclone vs BF is pref thing

both is passive

[drifting apex]

isnt the other talent behind recklessness better since the cleave buff?

[boreal quartz]

no that one is just ass i think

but do sim it in aoe

since ur trading cleave CDR for 45 roar or massive mainstat

and it doesnt rlly beat either

[languid wyvern]

But other talent choices are, and still pretty much just as competitive

Like, do you want skullsplitter or do you hate it

[boreal quartz]

you cannot skip SKS in st

its just worse

[drifting apex]

i took it for the 8sec SS that you can use at the end of WB its big...

but i'll try rrecklessness

[boreal quartz]

the reck is only for st fwiw

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7mpjLwaboTeuMbeTYF4AM9 disregard shit gear

[languid wyvern]

But in m+ build you can skip it

[boreal quartz]

but this is what talent stuff looks like for me

[boreal quartz]

yes obv

but m+ talents you can overcook very hard

even pick blord or whatnot

[thick hamlet]

bros when using blademaster's torment, how would an opener in m+ is like

because i dont want to overlap the SS from avatar and normal SS, since i want colatteral 2 times

[boreal quartz]

or you make a rlly large cleave

[thick hamlet]

but you usually have both SS and avatar up

[boreal quartz]

with extend ss

[halcyon valve]

go for the one true collateral

[misty yew]

is it a known play to sweep a previous pack and hold on to cds and open up with a collateral cleave at the start of a pack with cds?

[thick hamlet]

that can't be optimal, is it?

[halcyon valve]

11.2 mil on target dummy
keep gambling

[thick hamlet]

hmm

[halcyon valve]

bigger buff bigger crits

[thick hamlet]

big number is beg

[halcyon valve]

rip aggro
you know you want to

[boreal quartz]

yea

[boreal quartz]

press parry and live

[misty yew]

lol

[boreal quartz]

cuz ur playing the better dps spec

[halcyon valve]

true

[thick hamlet]

so the SS on avatar just extends the regular duration?

or u wanna use them back to back

[boreal quartz]

does extend ye

[thick hamlet]

i'm asking because 23seconds is a long ass time

im not sure how many mobs would be alive by the time u get the CleavE

[boreal quartz]

i mean most keys your funny big cleave comes at the end of the pack

[halcyon valve]

15 million
we getting there

[boreal quartz]

so might as well lean into it a

and murk next pack

[thick hamlet]

that's

big suicide

i'm in

[boreal quartz]

how is using the cleave on the next pack suicide

you just wb roar demo cleave and burst ur 10 mil or whateve

[misty yew]

i dont remember cleave being this good ever

[misty yew]

ravager?

[thick hamlet]

how many tanks in the game can even keep up with an opener like that

[misty yew]

for mbg

[thick hamlet]

and my tank plays brew a lot, with their bugged ass kegs

[neon sparrow]

brew has aoe taunt :3

[sharp wyvern]

guys collosus or slayer for M silken court ?
i cant decide and numbers are close

[misty yew]

do we hold things like dragon roar and CD for WB

or just send in normal rotation

[tepid star]

Hello, the actual MM+build colossus change with new update ?

[boreal quartz]

yeye ofc

[boreal quartz]

you just wait for a sec or 2

since u need to rend b4 anyways

[thick hamlet]

not much, just more value in battlelord and strength of arms

[jagged goblet]

Anyone have a good juggernaut stack tracker WA?

[tranquil sundial]

Gellyfisk cook

I guess if you dont like SKS you can go EB instead?

[astral talon]

problem with EB

is that you go oom

well oor ;D

[livid cloak]

Eb and ip probably don't work well together

[wanton sierra]

Idk about sks, decent button but with new buffs i think other options are better, like ep, battlelord, eb

But i dont take ep without massacre, so

Didnt tested DN yet, is it good now?

[west forum]

It’s been about 30% of my OP damage in my runs. So a little more than SoA overall.

[tranquil sundial]

thats true, youd swap em out

I would anyways cos my brain power is too low to be proactive with more defensives

SR, dbts, dstance, IV n pots enough for me

[wanton sierra]

Id love to have another decent defensive button press, like ip but decent

I did nw11 and first boss frontal almost one shotted me with sr and ds… if i get two frontals in a row id probably needed an external

I mean, its not like impossible.. but having another button would be nice since all other classes and specs has multiple

[stoic oyster]

no more extra buttons, bake it into other talents/ buttons like other classes do.. SKS is already major bloat

[wanton sierra]

Idk ppl wanna play an mmo and want the class to have like 5 buttons, like an moba, i read ppl complaining about tons of buttons, but our rotation is simple… i dont mind the amount of buttons we got

And sks i dont take it anymore 😄

[boreal quartz]

counter argument

fury

almost x2 the buttons

[stoic oyster]

i agree our rotation is fun and its better when its intricate, but SKS is just such a jarring button to press and we dont have the 360 degree aoe range abilities like ret paladins so we have to get really close to the mobs.. some passive defense would be great

*and fury war too, too ez

[boreal quartz]

fury is just funny with am

[wanton sierra]

You are playing an mmo, its expected

[boreal quartz]

(i dont actually mind nor do i play x2 onuse on colo xd)

[wanton sierra]

Nice ui

[stoic oyster]

has anyone cooked with spear instead of thunder. roar? for m+ colo

[icy mulch]

Yeah it was proposed this morning.

[neon niche]

what is bladestorm

[icy mulch]

Interesting concept, not sure about outcome. Insane burst though.

[wanton sierra]

If we got that talent that would reduce spear cd with the amount of targes cliped (max5) making it 45sec or 1 min would be insane

[stoic oyster]

just seems like bleeds are a bit undertuned... im trying out a meme build with spear and no rend/ bleed talents

just front load all cleave and execute talents

gonna test it in m+ later when my tank gets on

[wanton sierra]

Ye im not taking sks coz of recent tunning, but i might be wrong

Ppl has tested blademaster torment? To fully explore colateral damage?

I mean after the buffs

[stoic oyster]

ive chained my sweeping strikes with blademasters torment and got up to 24 stacks of collateral.. a bit hard to setup tho

but blademasters feels really good to use in colo m+ atm, just seems like sweeping strikes is always up now

[wanton sierra]

Ill test it up

[stoic oyster]

colossus m+ meme build, no bleeds, all cleaves and execute + some rage regen.. wish me luck

[modest carbon]

healer damage on boss inc

[quasi torrent]

no rend

?

[halcyon valve]

imagine if we could take both collateral and improved sweeping...

[stoic oyster]

no rend, trying out a meme build with no bleeds and more focused on cleaves and execute

[karmic matrix]

Looking at getting my defensives into easier to press hotkeys, anyone got any recommendations for how I can improve it? Struggling to press all s1-s4 buttons on time while still performing my rotation in M+.

[stoic oyster]

keybind battle/ defensive stance into mouswheel up/ down, keybind spell reflect into the A key

[halcyon valve]

i got my spell reflect bound to F, very convenient to press imo

[modest carbon]

F-gang rise

[oblique summit]

G is a good button

shift g is even better

[stoic oyster]

i have imp victory for F but thats just habbit

[oblique summit]

T as well

shift T

[modest carbon]

Seems to be a bit of a waste to have bladestorm and TC on 4 and 5

[sand summit]

Wheres your skullspliter?

[stoic oyster]

G/ shift G for queens mandate / avatar

[modest carbon]

thats prime real estate

[karmic matrix]

it's currently a switch on R, would you recommend it more to be separated?

[stoic oyster]

R should be a button you press a lot, i got MS on R

[versed shoal]

My all stance macro is on sT reflect f2

[karmic matrix]

Currently running a M+ build so not running skullsplitter, I mainly focus on M+, don't raid too often

[versed shoal]

Actually you should put it where its comfortable for you...

[stoic oyster]

this is true but he is asking for help on it

[stoic oyster]

i would say go from AWSD to QWES for movement keys if you havent, keep spell reflect on A and pummel on D since those buttons need very fast reaction times

[versed shoal]

R is like mobility for me on almost every char

[stoic oyster]

and mousewheel up/down for battle/ def stance

[sand summit]

But im pretty sure skullspliter is used for most mythic+ build. Anyway to anser your question, i have played with reflect on shift-s, wall "v" pot n healthdtones on mousewheel, and if talentet Shift-r for ignore pain. (only as arms) and shift-1 for indemending. I know u do not prefer shifts hotkeys, but I still Hope this could inspire you.

[halcyon valve]

i got my mobility on the forward/backwards buttons on the side of my mouse
leap: forward
stuff like hunter disengage: backward
lol

just feels right

[stoic oyster]

i have H leap on my alt-1 and shockwave on my alt-2.. its probably not the best position for them but i set it up that way long ago and im set in my ways now

[karmic matrix]

Currently running this, saw rank 1 arms in m+ run this a lot and it feels pretty smooth

[summer shore]

I just dont think mbg is worth it

[sand summit]

Forgot to mention stance switch on B keybind. All of this os obviously personal preference and I have played like this for many years... The musclememory is stronk.

[versed shoal]

Maybe you struggle cuz you dont have that muscle memory yet.

[sand summit]

If its suit you mate... Thats the main Thing, skull splitter just gives you prio target dmg and works very well with sweeping on cleave.

[soft zinc]

You dont need to keybind defensive stance. Not to R at least. R is a very good and easy key to press.

Do you need TC at 4?

You still have keys like ZXC as well. And also wheel up wheel down. Then adding Shift ZXC and Shift Wheels

I like to put non GCD ability on mouse wheels personally

[stoic oyster]

sweeping strikes off gcd when? christ even Cataclysm warriors have it off the gcd

[obsidian goblet]

Ss being on gcd feel wack

[soft zinc]

Its an offensive cd

Should be off GCD for sure

[obsidian goblet]

Usually pop it midcharge tho so it works ok

[stoic oyster]

no because you should macro your heroic throw with your charge, that eats up a gcd

[obsidian goblet]

Sounds like a loss in aoe

[stoic oyster]

my QOL wishlist:
1- SS off GCD
2- SKS baked passively into another ability
3- more melee range

[obsidian goblet]

Y would be cozy

[cyan narwhal]

i would enjoy bringing condemn back, and making condemn the hardest hitting ability, i want a simple life as a warrior player

[fresh sierra]

My biggest issue is, this tier set feels literally useless

Compared to other classes

[errant goblet]

what happened to arms sweeping strike mortal strike and execute animations?

[outer rose]

Could you share talent tree perhaps?

[halcyon valve]

standard colossus m+ build but with spear instead of roar for extra crit dmg

this was just on target dummy in city

[high snow]

seems like he is running spear instead of roar and ragaver

[vital rune]

Doing a 10 NW I got one shot by the belch on first boss. I don’t recall ever getting one shot by it before so not sure what happened. Should we be popping a personal every time for it?

[halcyon valve]

well ig also without unhinged so it doesnt steal the overpower buff for a random mortal strike

[high snow]

spell reflect lines up well.. also make sure you have the two kinds of health pots and make sure you use then

[outer rose]

So you just wanted to see big number, guess it won't have much use in m+

[halcyon valve]

yes

i was just gambling for bigger numbers

[outer rose]

Aight, we like that tho 😄

[vital rune]

Got it. I’ve done 10’s before and it never felt like it hit that hard so that’s why I didn’t pop anything

[halcyon valve]

tho you can still get 10+ mill crits in m+ if you set it up correctly

not really optimal, but very funny

[flat willow]

In +10 you should be able to survive it at full hp but you are supposed to use a defensive every time you are the target yes

[outer rose]

I'm afraid that it would be kinda pain when you fail the setup

[vital rune]

Thanks all

[halcyon valve]

its more pain if you do get it and forget to press your defensive

[outer rose]

You can swap stances also 5 secs in D stance wont kill anyone, right 😄

[high snow]

yes it will

[outer rose]

Being dead isnt better if you are ofc without dbs

[high snow]

i know i know😁

[outer rose]

but with decent gear you should be able to survive it 😄

[vital rune]

You say that until it’s been 10m after and you forgot to swap back

[outer rose]

But you would stay alive 😄

[high snow]

facts LOL

[vital rune]

Personally I’m an IP enjoyer

[outer rose]

Or get big enought WA that you cannot miss 😄

[vital rune]

I find it more useful than SKS

[high snow]

yea sks just feels bad to press.. it needs to have more synergy with other talents

should be applied passively with Demolish imo

[vital rune]

Idk if it’s a bug or lack of sound but demolish feels like it doesn’t hit half the time

Like I know it does because I see numbers but the lack of oomf on the sound makes me think it got scuffed

[high snow]

its a distance problem form he.. sometimes i cast it and thry move just out of range to cancel the last hit

for me*

[vital rune]

Had a druids ursoc pull the small spiders on first boss of Arakara away from my demolish yesterday

[sly venture]

Does anyone have a lethal blow aura? i know people say it's easy to fix but i might be stupid 😦 Luxthos just doesn't work properly for me every other relog from the game it's just gone

[coral crescent]

I think this still works https://wago.io/1saJpr4O7

[misty bridge]

4- delete Juggernaut

[mint shell]

any1 with XP progging Broodtwister as Arms? having hard time deciding what to run jsut based on vods. I'm thinking slayer cleave ST focused and just use Cleave/BS for bursting adds

but i'm afraind it will be lacking

[stoic oyster]

i ran colossus last night and felt really good

[icy mulch]

1-3 I am totally in support of.
4, while I dislike Jug. I think it should stay, but needs to ramp up a whole lot faster AND have some sort of possible AoE component. Like if something gets low everyone pays for it. Could even be a follow up node.
<evil witch laugh here>

[stoic oyster]

also a way to manually reapply juggernaut while >35%.. the RNG feels bad when you cant get a single execute proc to keep the buff up

[sly venture]

Thank you so much! I had a hard time finding this one for some reason. This will do! Again, thank you!

[icy mulch]

Well, in my optimal concept it would only be used in execute phase. Would only stack 5 times at most while bringing massive destruction.

[sick gazelle]

Are you mathematically able to keep the buff up above 35%?

[icy mulch]

Yes, you would 100% need the rage return proc to spam it but God damn it would feel good.

[stoic oyster]

if you get the procs yeah.. ive kept it up for a while but sometimes it just falls off reguardless of how fast im hitting the boss, no procs

its a bit of micromanagement but the execute proc stacks twice.. you could use 1 and keep 1 just in case the buff is about to fall out.. but its a lot to keep track of, need better weakauras

[icy mulch]

Less luck rng, and more on demand is what we need. They can have some rng but it should only be a boost not a drain.

[vast hinge]

man

i cant stay alive at all

[stoic oyster]

make SKS apply 5 stacks of juggernaut, i rest my case your honor

[vast hinge]

my healer says im squisher than a hunter

[mint shell]

tnx. How do adds line up with demolish and warbraker?

they spawn every 45 secs ish?

[vast hinge]

+13 im like dead insta to swarm from 2nd boss in arakara

[icy mulch]

Don't stand in fire?

[mint shell]

yes pls

[vast hinge]

like dead in 1 global from swarm with spell reflect up

[mint shell]

oh BS as coloss, didn't even notice

[stoic oyster]

they line up pretty well but you might need to wait on your bladestorm for the first eggs.. the cds usually line up

yeah no ravager, at least for brood

havent tested ravager with colossus on brood yet

[mint shell]

ok so when adds spawn you've prestacked colosus

u just tc,cleave,roar, warbraker cleave devo bladestorm?

i'm guessing?

[stoic oyster]

just make sure you are getting your bleeds asap on the big spiders and the worms... the little adds dont count for parse and usually rets and furys take care of it

[mint shell]

i'm solo warrior w/o any xp playing fury

that's why i'm trying to figure out what to play

[cyan narwhal]

this does sim to me 5,2 to 5,4% behind colossus
i guess cds lining up perfectly in m+ scenarios arent always happening, but there are the numbers

[stoic oyster]

i usually hit demolish off the bat to gett it off the cooldown, it will be up with 10 collosal might stacks by the time the first add phase comes

[quartz schooner]

Anyone have that old issue with spec swapping from Fury to Arms causing spec enabled gear sets to not swap to the "Arms" set?
Weapon gets marked as unequippable (OH for Fury swapping to MH for Arms) and other gear just doesn't change because of it

[boreal quartz]

it puts the weapon in OH ye

i just unequip and reequip

[mint shell]

i run this, just added SKS because i like it

[boreal quartz]

rest is changed

[quartz schooner]

weird, it doesn't change my other gear either I have to unequip wep, requip wep and then also reselect the gear set

[mint shell]

if a good run i'm around 1.4-5m overall, more if big pulls are happenin

[stoic oyster]

about to run this meme no bleed, all cleave build on m+. wish me luck

[cyan narwhal]

a true bleed hater wouldnt use fueled by violence

[tranquil sundial]

why tho xd

[quasi torrent]

Think you should drop WB cleave and Bladestorm as those app DW

[stoic oyster]

aah yes i didnt see that, thanks XD

[stoic oyster]

testing

[cyan narwhal]

hmmmm

it seems that making em bleed is a good thing for warrior players

[stoic oyster]

im sure, but we wont know 100% until field test

[cyan narwhal]

thats right, maybe even a stat change makes it top tier

[stoic oyster]

this week's affix is crit right? i think that synergizes well with spear

[karmic matrix]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/36138853?zone=39#metric=dps
I've had decent success with it overall, granted I'm not the best warrior and I've only been playing for a month roughly after a long hiatus but it's been working pretty well, and I find that having a high baseline of sustained AOE which might be lacking when running colossus build and CDs go out of sync is better for overall damage

[plucky fern]

It cant work even in theory, you drop all bleed stuff but barely pick anything that boosts damage, trade bleeds for like what, storm of swords and jugg, lmao

[stoic oyster]

i almost agree with you but field tests are still required

and thats not true im basically trading bleeds for execute powerups

[gilded venture]

are the builds on wowhead up to date?

[cyan narwhal]

i will give it a try, looks nice, no sks makes me happy and being a slayer build means 1 button less, double happiness

[cloud gyro]

slayer is the juice

[stoic oyster]

can u link the build please

exeo

[stoic oyster]

ty

[tight roost]

@cloud gyro whats your ilvl? i am 618 and struggling to come close 😦

[cloud gyro]

630, I swapped to warbreaker since it was NW

[tight roost]

thanks. something to work towards!

[cloud gyro]

I did 10 mil on first pull, havent hit that this season

[mint shell]

gonna try this

how do u use exo blows?

[cloud gyro]

on aoe i spam cleave on resets, fill with ms

[mint shell]

is it more for spaming cleave or there's some ST in it aswell

[cloud gyro]

theres some ST aswell with mortal strike resets

but i like using an overpower between unless im in lust

with tactician proc

[mint shell]

ye so it's not dy MS

dry*

ye makes sense

[dim basalt]

I was thinking of using EB instead of SKS in ST but the more I think about it the less I wanna do it

Cuz dry MS really doesnt do that much

And the talent is p much gone in execute

[mint shell]

i like SKS bc it's free

rage management button for execute

[livid cloak]

Dry ms is still your number 1 prio in st, outside of your major cooldowns

[mint shell]

i speced @cloud gyro build but i droped Critical thinking for SKS

[mint shell]

ye the reset one is replacement for slam

like fervor of battle cleave on 2 targets

[granite swift]

Guys is the wowhead bis still correct? For arms

[livid cloak]

But your big value is cleave resets

[mint shell]

raid ST imo yes

[dim basalt]

yes but its not like spamming dry ms is gonna feel better than using sks once in a while

[mint shell]

no it's for spaming cleave

not MS

[dim basalt]

Im talking about ST

[mint shell]

MS is just cherry on top so u can unbind slam

aye full ST u go full bleeds + SKS

that's a given

[dim basalt]

I havent simmed it but Ive read a few times that EB now is a contender for SKS

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[livid cloak]

Where does your dam come from in this? Cleave, reap, ms, and execute?

[stoic oyster]

update on this, a bit janky to use and hard to set up but good burst.. needs more testing

[livid cloak]

No bb seems weird, but i haven't tried a 0 bb build yet

[shadow ibex]

Bleeds are good on long big pulls

I think as long we we run tr one bb is hard slot

[stoic oyster]

i ran a low key so bleeds didnt affect too much.. beyond +10 bleeds probably better

[shadow ibex]

Bb should just be 1/1 talent tbh

[livid cloak]

God that's a lot of reap damage

[mint shell]

cleave reaps

what can i say

[cloud gyro]

this is on big trash pulls

[stoic oyster]

how much mastery are yall running for m+?

[mint shell]

like 3k lol

full haste setup

[livid cloak]

I run a lot because i play colossus

Like 10k rn

[mint shell]

ye i'm slayer andy

[cloud gyro]

1k :d

[mint shell]

u're prolly waay into DR there exeo

[cloud gyro]

i am

[mint shell]

but i dont do 2m overall so i'm prolly wrong in thinking that's important haha

[shadow ibex]

Rend being below dw I'd weird

Is

[cloud gyro]

You dont really ahve time/globals to apply it to every mob

[thorn pelican]

sweep tclap supremacy

if it still does this

tho ur pulls are probably bigger than 10 targets

[cloud gyro]

i usually hold sweeping for after bladestorm

and then its a bit awkward to find a global

but maybe its good

[thorn pelican]

ya cant imagine its always going to fit

or i guess even be worth it

[wanton sierra]

So slayer is ahead? Ive seen some big overalls as slayer, where are the colossus big overalls? Heheheh
Heh pakaboy, share your results with the build without any bleeds

[tacit crystal]

me and zhai have been testing arms builds

[stoic oyster]

brutal finish vs culling storm, which one runs better for m+?

[tacit crystal]

i think our testing has to come to the conclusion that prot warrior is bis

[wanton sierra]

Aoe one

[stoic oyster]

its not as good as i thought, bleeds really carry you on higher keys

[tacit crystal]

what slayer build are you playing?

[wanton sierra]

Every time I try to play properly and not mess the overall results to share here with you, something happens and overall is gone

I end up not sharing

[tacit crystal]

on my phoen atm

no details

[shadow ibex]

Sweep tclap always imo

Sending sweep early also gets CD buff

[stoic oyster]

spam overpowert as much as possible during ss for those juicy collateral stacks

[wanton sierra]

I get around 14/15

I need to pay attention on the big cleave stacked, I aways end up pressing ms and i lose op stacks xD

[stoic oyster]

yeah i step on mine all the time.. does anyone have a good collateral tracker WA?

[wanton sierra]

I do, but I’m not at home now, I can share with you later

[dreamy egret]

its awesome that arms war is still on the ground after the buff they just gave us and took most of the buff back

they cant balance a book on a table

[tepid star]

Do we have some update on guide build ?

[regal wharf]

ive had the worst week of keys ever

from a 10 stonevault to a 6 COT

[tacit crystal]

no way you are still doom queuing

[boreal quartz]

@thick kelp we need to lumberjack some ppl soontm

[tacit crystal]

hi phil

🙂

[thick kelp]

[tacit crystal]

Hei

kuinka voit

[boreal quartz]

I will prolly walk dog and then itd work

[thick kelp]

Could do

need to see

[thick kelp]

good : D

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/mualani-genshin-impact-genshin-cute-genshin-cute-gif-9213918674297824443

[boreal quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1301506844312862810/ccu7dbw-ezgif.com-speed.gif

[thorn pelican]

[regal wharf]

ive started to wean myself off hekili

[teal fossil]

i double dosage hekili

[regal wharf]

?

[vocal gust]

He double dosage hekili

[versed shoal]

Which buffs they took back?

[lethal stream]

i need talent for dangeon

[regal wharf]

dangeon

[fossil thistle]

Anyone trying demolish on Ovi'naxx?

Had this warrior join and I figured i'd swap since we were similar ilvl (625 vs him 627)

Was pretty close I feel, i forgot to pick up Tclap which kinda sucked lol

[teal fossil]

you have both the ST and AOE rotation permanently open

then you double the prediction to 6 GCDs ahead

to truly immerse yourself

[regal wharf]

:monka

:monka:

[thorn pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-sped-up-jarvis-gif-19148596

[halcyon valve]

Jarvis, post a picture of their house with the caption „xd“

[astral talon]

okay

do I want to test that build someone sent above

slayer m+

or not O_O

@cloud gyro yo

how do you use collateral dmg?

do you hold any cds?

or fire and forget?

[cloud gyro]

i try to max out overpower stacks before

[astral talon]

also

why big mortal after BS?

for bosses?

[cloud gyro]

for fun

[astral talon]

lol

fair enough

aight imma give it a go 😄

[cloud gyro]

the bladestorm talent is def just better by a large margin

[astral talon]

gonna try +12 mists with the build

lets hope it works well lmao

hmmmmm

to demolish or to slay

fucking hell

xD

[raven atlas]

whats the new execute rotation after buffs? in quick sim im checking but they ignore stacks or procs and basicly spam execute

and sometimes they ms or op

[uneven yacht]

i don't think it changes, 2 lb and ep stacks

[raven atlas]

its like alot of this

just like hammering down on execute

[tepid star]

What build do you play ?

[raven atlas]

standard raid ST

[fossil thistle]

I was like jesus christ thats an opener for the ages, then realized execute phase lol

[frigid cipher]

Arms and prot still got 10%

Fury’s is 7%

[tepid citrus]

Blasting O.o

[barren goblet]

chat is this real life?

[sleek remnant]

So many builds being thrown around

[gaunt matrix]

that build gotta be ass for overall dps

in M+

[tepid citrus]

Idk. Saw top Arms Warrior in world in IO running it.

Sims good for both

ST and AoE

[gaunt matrix]

the top arms warrior in world is from china

runs slayer

[tepid citrus]

Oh, I was looking at Murloc. Updated 5 hours ago. Said he's arms/col running that.

[gaunt matrix]

next is gellyfisk now in 2nd place

[tepid citrus]

https://murlok.io/warrior/arms/mm+

[gaunt matrix]

this was 2nd place arms warrior IO for M+15 mist and +15 Dawn

they all probs are very similar ngl

[tepid citrus]

Yea i just saw it on murloc and was curious, so I posted. sims looked good but w/e. Arms feels good atm with diversity

[astral talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/851206644725317692/1301616861271687280/image.png?ex=672520aa&is=6723cf2a&hm=24e5ee166ed083a9e3418d2319c3d32ed6bf9af4bb3db8ad7a96a2aefeae0ebd&

timed 12 poggies

[gaunt matrix]

grats!

[astral talon]

i dont know why but keys with augs always feel like they're super tight with dps

i'd much rather have a proper 3rd dps instead of that dirty scaly

[gaunt matrix]

dawn?

[astral talon]

mists

[gaunt matrix]

is transmitter not better then the shard

[wanton sierra]

nice

[wanton sierra]

build?

[astral talon]

EB+BL

demolish

i need to give slayer a go soon

xd

[river ridge]

Yes, but you do have to play the mini game before pressing CDs

[gaunt matrix]

risker then

[gaunt owl]

transmitter minigame is ass

fun times trying to find the freaking ball when everyone moves around and boss got the biggest gyatt known to man

[knotty dragon]

what hero talent tree would i go for, for raids?

[faint star]

Im simming both atm

[summer quartz]

yeah, I stopped using the transmitter because of the minigame. Annoying as fuck to see when shit is all over the ground. Using mark now and I like that a lot more.

[faint star]

1.291 M - Colossus 1.3171M Slayer on ST

[devout pewter]

the negative of being buffed and being a good spec: Now everyone is running it and you're just one of the people flocking to the better specc 😄
I played it before it was cool god damnit!

[gaunt owl]

remember DF season 1 ?

[boreal quartz]

it always spawns same spot

u can aim it

[gaunt owl]

it was the same

we are going full cycle

[devout pewter]

yea, everyone went fury and then suddenly arms got gud

i'm becoming the ultimate arms hipster if this keeps happening

[summer quartz]

true, but in the heat of the moment I don't always do that and get fucked by a puddle or mechanic lol. I'm just bad like that.

[quartz canopy]

Slayer feels great on AoE with Exhilarating Blows btw, those Reap procs go crazy

[devout pewter]

can't learn without failing a couple times 😄

[boreal quartz]

@gaunt owlmaybe dracthyr is the truth

double jump is kinda bayzed

[gaunt owl]

oh no

scaly warrior

[finite mantle]

not even man enough to show his scales

[slow saddle]

Fury thane still seems beter than colo arms

Or i just duck

[devout pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-lying-to-yourself-be-true-to-yourself-be-honest-tell-the-truth-liar-gif-16054524

[tranquil sundial]

always spawn in the same place tho

front right

[slow saddle]

I mean higher st and sustain?

[devout pewter]

Just play what you like more in style, they're both not far off each other

At least in M+ it doesn't matter much... Dunno how it's in raid now

[ionic crown]

Hello Friends! Can i ask a quick question because i didnt do my due dillignce before raid tonight

Do i always just send Colossal Smash on CD after the first sinc or do i hold it for bladestorm/avatar

[devout pewter]

as long as you're on 10 stacks

and with colossus smash

[ionic crown]

are you talking about Ashen stacks?

[devout pewter]

oh damn, sorry misread

for some reason I read colossuss smash and thought demolish

[ionic crown]

😄

[devout pewter]

But yeah, you just send Smash

[ionic crown]

thank you 🙂

[dusty depot]

It is

[slow saddle]

Thank god.

I was going crazy trying to out perform myself

[noble anvil]

which build goes boom boom on aoe in M+ ?

[slow saddle]

Amg

Grim butthole im so late to that name

[unreal shard]

where on earth are these cracked billion crit cleaves coming from in these screenshots? did a wake, 1.6m overall & highest cleave was 3.7m. is it just a matter of the stars aligning or what

[bronze wharf]

cs + avatar + trinket + mbg window + 2xMP +2xTierSet + >12 stacks of collateral dmg + % increase dmg taken after demolish + crit = caching

you dont need everything of course

but impossible without collateral

[modest carbon]

highest i got without amps and just normal gameplay in a key was 11m

feels good

average crit tends to be around 1m though

[bronze wharf]

i dont have much luck with that, only like 9m

still feels good

[unreal shard]

damn, fair enough. cheers for the answer

[bronze wharf]

mostly it happens in dungeons

if you are going to the fresh pack and you have collateral stacked from the previous

you pop the cds

and bim bada bum

[unreal shard]

absolutely buzzing arms is back. didnt have the resolve to play it through its slum :' )

[brittle pelican]

No demolish stinks

[gaunt owl]

heresy

[unreal shard]

i know, let the team down

but hey i came crawling back

[gaunt owl]

you will have to atone for your sins

by converting the non belivers

by showing them the path

[unreal shard]

i atoned by telling my team to fuck themselves when they asked me to gear a fdk instead

[gaunt owl]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-comic-like-a-boss-epic-very-epic-cartercodes-gif-1987316027778534164

[frigid cypress]

guys quick question about demolish: if i have it do i stack to 10 stacks of might or do i send it ?

[gaunt owl]

ST send it

MT stack it to 6 if DN

or stack it to 10 if SOA

[latent arrow]

do you hold cds to stack? cause if you don;t it will desync from wb

[gaunt owl]

in AOE you will stack it really fast

and will reload it faster than WB too

[modest carbon]

it will desync a lot, don't hold it unless we're talking like 1-3 globals and/or its the last demo of the fight

[unreal shard]

Does the MS from BS cleave if used during SS? Or are we using SS after BS on slayer

[quaint otter]

No it doesnt cleave anymore

It did on prepatch

[icy mulch]

Man, I really want to slam with arms but god damn does it feel super clunky and unintuitive.

[astral talon]

go gym

get bigger arms

play again

enjoy playing arms

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[high field]

what is the rotation in execute phase

[daring heron]

if you don't have cds or critical thinking

you execute 2 times and then afk

[thick kelp]

ms when 2x ep + 2x lb or rend/dw falling
sks when below 85 rage
op2 when below 80 rage
execute till 2xp ep + lb
op when below 40 rage

[high field]

👍

[tacit crystal]

no its just execute because lb procs are fake news

[thick kelp]

i wish they were

[tacit crystal]

i mean in the sense of appearing

[thick kelp]

slayer moment

play colossus and enjoy 2/2 deft

[shadow ibex]

Col exe is just fucked man

Idk what to do when mob reaches exe range

If exe is in the prio list at all, how can it ever afford to MS

Cuz cleave is always like 2 gcds away

[sick gazelle]

is cleave worth using in a ST execute phase with how limited rage is?

[daring heron]

xd

this is why i always say they should change some of the exe refund from crit thinking into baseline exe

[verbal pivot]

Are people playing Colossus or Slayer more for m+?

[visual fern]

MS higher prio than exe

EP is cosmetic

[tacit crystal]

so we drop ep

time for sks

[thick kelp]

no

ep too big for boss

[visual fern]

^

[modest carbon]

I dunno, I kind of want to drop it. It only simmed 9% more during execute phase for me. less than 2% on a whole boss fight. nothing much to replace it with though

good for rav execute burst I suppose if the timings fit

[thick kelp]

and pickup what

[modest carbon]

exactly

[thick kelp]

fatality? sks? surge of bloode? sd?

all ass

[modest carbon]

last talent row, picked because there's nothing else, feels bad

[tacit crystal]

okok

[slow saddle]

Buff ms more!

[tacit crystal]

we like ep

[peak quail]

more than 30% haste and MS still have 2bilion year cd

[quaint otter]

Skill issue

[slow saddle]

Buff battlelord!

[quaint otter]

[peak quail]

nice reset

[slow saddle]

Miss when this was a good thing

Nerf martial prowess buff baseline ms more!!

[gaunt owl]

make MS great again

[slow saddle]

Less modifiers more fun!!!

[gaunt owl]

i was almost happy when @smoky kayak discovered the 30% MS buff

but sadly it was not intended

[slow saddle]

Tbh modifiers are fun but mp is 2 big

[thick kelp]

so close to greatness

[slow saddle]

Also remove jugger

Make a talent that works like df season sd procc

[summer quartz]

Buff MS bt another 15%! It should be THE button we press next to execute!

[slow saddle]

Give sd proc and aoe function

[slow saddle]

Problem is mp

[quaint otter]

🙏

S3 set

[slow saddle]

Yes!

It was a great interaction

[quaint otter]

jeez df sets were basically steroids

[slow saddle]

But plz remove juggernaut

Then sd procc would be pure power

[real spade]

Jugg is fine, we just need a higher PPM, or a way to artificially induce SD procs so we don't get screwed by SD RNG

[flat willow]

OR they can just remove jugg

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-of-value-was-lost-the-critic-fire-burn-it-with-fire-and-nothing-of-value-was-lost-gif-14671074

[tepid star]

Slayer or Colossus for mm+ ?
I personnally sim better as Colossus.

[quaint otter]

slayer is easier

[smoky kayak]

except all of Execute's value

[thick kelp]

good

[rare kite]

remove jugg buff EP

[flat willow]

Imagine all the damage of juggernaut allocated elsewhere, we might even press MS more than with double ep and double lethal blows in exec phase

a world without juggernaut

https://tenor.com/view/lionel-hutz-world-without-lawyers-gif-11914569

[smoky kayak]

more MS multipliers!

[smoky kayak]

buffing EP ain't gonna make you press MS more either lol

[rare kite]

oh and remove martial prowess. only EP as a modifier

[flat willow]

don't need to buff EP, they could buff ms base damage or anything else

I just don't like jugg

or at least not 15 stacks of juggs

[uneven yacht]

Bring back lucid dreams test of might execute windows

Make execute great again

[gaunt owl]

somebody take that guy outback

and kick him in the groins

[flat willow]

heroic strike him

in game

[uneven yacht]

Mashing execute was great

Take me back

[rare kite]

yikes test of might

[gaunt owl]

BFA gameplay was a mistake

everybody who enjoyed that

are just dpswhore

who watch the meters

dont be fooled by the numbers

[rare kite]

I want a new version of arms pls just make something new

[gaunt owl]

they should dare to just throw everything out the window

and start anew

it would probably be easier too

[rare kite]

agreed, imo a new mastery would be nice. deep wounds boring af

[gaunt owl]

i cant anymore with this game

world of bugcraft

with each new patch

random new feature added

til we fix them

or fucked them up

even more

[strange perch]

Coding outsource. If you know you know.

[lone fable]

just saw the bug list of hunters for 11.0.5....

i hope the list for warriors is way shorter...

[summer quartz]

still waiting for that SS animation fix.

but I think there are more important things at the moment to fix lol

[minor gust]

If it's just an animation bug I can tell you it's not being fixed for at least a year

[radiant garden]

hey guys which critical & haste cap for diminishing stats

[minor gust]

I'ma just stop you right there. Don't think about diminishing returns for stats. It's not real, sims will take all of that into account.

[regal wharf]

bricked my 6 cot without hekili

i think i did pretty well but like

this is the worst week of M+ of my life

[astral yarrow]

get a weakaura suite if you dont have one already

just helps your decisionmaking instead of doing it for you like hekili does

[regal wharf]

I do

it wasnt even my fault

[astral yarrow]

but you also chose one of the weirdest specs for priority because of sweeping strikes

[halcyon valve]

This tbh

[regal wharf]

the disc priest was dogshit

they couldnt heal the dark pulse for the life of them

[halcyon valve]

Dont rely on shit like hekili, actually invest time in getting familiar with your spec

[quaint otter]

hekili can be helpful at start

[astral yarrow]

nah, im all for hekili for people who dont enjoy the mastery aspect of classes and just are looking to play

[regal wharf]

oh I have been

i've been weaning myself off it for my classes

[obtuse copper]

Peak patch is peak

[regal wharf]

but when im doing really high keys and I dont trust myself I put it on

[astral yarrow]

if you want to remove that clutch just do it cold turkey instead

[halcyon valve]

[regal wharf]

?

[valid walrus]

does ignore pain work against the affix this week?

[halcyon valve]

Against the part where it ticks for dmg while its up yeah but thats very minor

The healing from fueled by violence goes kinda nutty

[halcyon valve]

I just dont get that mindset of pushing yourself beyond your comfort zone only to fall back on a crutch
Like just take your time, take it one step at a time and work yourself up while building the confidence to just do stuff without an addon that tells you what you should do

[gaunt owl]

Hekili is a great tool to learn

like dont be ayrrogant

[astral yarrow]

99% of the people in this game you will never meet again - brick their key while learning

who cares

[gaunt owl]

its like saying i dont need any documents and will leanr by mashing my head

[wheat brook]

Imagine thinking people who are using something that tells them what to do without context, is a tool to learn

[astral yarrow]

bro you wont catch me reading all synergies in class/spec tree just to do weekly 10s on an alt for the hell of it

[wheat brook]

I’m not saying you have to, but to suggest it’s a learning tool is a massive cope

[gaunt owl]

we already got WA / Bigwigs yelling at us all the times

to play the game for us

modern cars are the same shit

[wheat brook]

No, you do

[gaunt owl]

they basically do everything

[astral yarrow]

its decent for learning because it shows you the correct approach in a lot of situations, which you can either choose to learn from or not

[halcyon valve]

A priority helper is as much a tool for learning as much as an ikea assembly instruction paper is a tool for learning how to build a chair

[wheat brook]

This

[astral yarrow]

man i wish my world was this black and white

would be so simple

[gaunt owl]

i'm gonna jump out of the window

[halcyon valve]

It gets you there but doesnt give you the information to get the whole picture

[gaunt owl]

its not worth my time anymore

[wheat brook]

Ok cya bud

[halcyon valve]

Enjoy

Like if ppl want to use tools like it fine by me, i just dont get why anyone would

[gaunt owl]

i should be the only one allowed to write dumb shit in this channel

[obtuse copper]

You can borrow some paint from me

[gaunt owl]

but you guys want to have a pissing contest

you drive a car with rear cam for reverse

[astral talon]

Okay played both slayer and colossus in 12s

[wheat brook]

We aren’t having a pissing contest. We made a point

[astral yarrow]

would love to

[gaunt owl]

hekili is the same shit

[astral talon]

And after those

[halcyon valve]

Enough said: talent into spiteful serenity

[astral yarrow]

did you see veryalive got queen kill @obtuse copper

[astral talon]

I have no fucking clue what is better

[obtuse copper]

Holy macaroni

[astral talon]

Both suck

Both are terrible

Same dps

[obtuse copper]

Hope he is chilling now

[halcyon valve]

Colossus for big numbers popping up. Clearly better

[obtuse copper]

When he's not GM lmao

[astral yarrow]

he didnt exactly blast on the kill, but man did top

[obtuse copper]

Ye he do know how to press buttons

[wheat brook]

Comparing a reverse camera in a car where you still have to have the knowledge of how to turn and navigate the car, to an add on that tells you to press 1 2 3 is a reach

It’d be comparable if the car did everything and you just put it into drive/reverse/park

[minor gust]

so fucking based and true

[halcyon valve]

Nah thats too much of an exaggeration
It would be the car trying to make you disregard the speedometer and everything else that gives you the information to decide for yourself, and only displaying „accelerate now“ and stuff

[obtuse copper]

This is my mindset but for League rn

[halcyon valve]

99% of gamblers quit before they make the 16 million cleave crit

[obtuse copper]

[gaunt owl]

dont be fooled by the numbers

we are still mid dmg tiers

just the dopamine injection is working

[halcyon valve]

The numbers, they speak to me

They are calling out

Theyre telling me to rip aggro from a full pack after doing 60 million damage with one cleave cast

[gaunt owl]

its ok DBTS in time

and you good

[halcyon valve]

And a good warrior follows orders

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[halcyon valve]

The neuron activation when big number

[gaunt owl]

numbers are made up !

they trick you

[halcyon valve]

My name is john math, i invented numbers

And my only goal in life is to make up even bigger numbers

[astral yarrow]

did you get good

[halcyon valve]

Fs in chat to all the mental damage inflicted by riot on league players

Fun esport to watch tho

[obtuse copper]

Eh, rarely motivated enough to push a lot

Kinda wanna aim for GM tho

My macro has just been shit recently

[sick gazelle]

How does league of legends have macro the whole point of the game was to remove macro from RTS

[gaunt owl]

if you follow your macro properly its to get swole

[halcyon valve]

Macro is still inevitable in a team game with objectives n shit

[manic stirrup]

rts is almost exclusively macro though as far as i understand

[kind stag]

mmmmm should i trust dungeon slice or patchwerk sims for trinkets? got an arakara sac rn, had already rashanan trinket and detachable fang

[zinc rapids]

How are we feeling about survivability? After playing ret, lock and dk, I feel pretty fragile

[manic stirrup]

arms is tanky you just have to know when you hit your buttons

[kind stag]

arms is fragile

but if you use your CDs well yeah

[sick gazelle]

At lower levels macro is all that matters. At high levels micro is just as important. RTS micro is probably what is considered league macro tho

[minor gust]

[kind stag]

just be proactive

[manic stirrup]

dk is an outlier

[astral yarrow]

macro is the big picture decisions and micro is the in-fight decisions

same thing in rts

[sick gazelle]

Yeah but big picture movement e.g. map movement is considered macro yea?

[astral yarrow]

yes, while micro is how you play a 1v1 or a teamfight

[sick gazelle]

That would fall under micro for rts

[astral yarrow]

macro is also what buildings you choose to build

at least that was the case when i played SC2 back forever ago

[zinc rapids]

macro vs micro in SC2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG_XYFTp0xo&t

[astral yarrow]

i fucking love day9

[sick gazelle]

Has he ever explained what the fuck that even means lmfaoo

[astral yarrow]

its just economic terms, but i did not find it as funny as him

[tacit crystal]

explain funny

[astral yarrow]

extension of a joke

if SC2 jargon doesnt mean anything to you, you wont understand context, but one of the comments on the video tries to

[rare kite]

I did not understand the joke but day9 just has the best laugh. super contagious

he's the best

[astral yarrow]

yea

love the man

[zinc rapids]

He tried wow recently, though he played a mage

[austere hamlet]

need 1 dps and 1 prot warrior for a 4 warrior sv 10 right this moment

[austere hamlet]

done and dusted, lok'tar ogar

[shadow ibex]

So you just hold the empty global?

[quaint otter]

cooked

[shadow ibex]

Cuz if you'll never be able to MS if you ever exe ever since its cheaper

Shit is cursed

Make every 2/2 1/1 so we can pretend they learned from valor

[devout pewter]

Where's warrior heal when you need it

[visual fern]

Vulpera is so IN

[nova marsh]

Guys is disc bad?

[sick gazelle]

no