arms

[summer elbow]

slayer is equal to collo? slayer feels way better

[white hedge]

Colo has "uncap" aoe with cleave

[fresh spire]

[white hedge]

Its about the same
And yea colo feels like shit
Better st tho

[granite swift]

has the slayer ST arms build changed?

[potent cedar]

You're probably not btw, I sim 950k ST (no buffs) but it was a low key so the fight was real fast and had buffs, etc

also used a combat pot

[signal coyote]

i sim about 1.1m but do about 840

[potent cedar]

also 1.4m in details is more like 1.1-1.2m in reality

[signal coyote]

840 without raid buffs and everything ofc

[ocean dust]

I'm confused. A lot of people say Wowhead is updated but the last updated says 10/21/24 which was before we knew blizzard was making the last minute changes. Are there 2 different dates for the pages?

[shadow cedar]

during execute phase if im not running executioners precision do i still hit MS at 2x lethal blow stacks?

[thorn tiger]

any new builds floating about since the buff? Not sure if wowhead is up to date and nothing pinned

[steep osprey]

Enha still insane, I'm competing with people 10 ilvls higher than me

(ret and mage)

[white hedge]

The insane thing is why wouldnt you run execute precision

But ok
In the case you dont run EP
You execute till rend is almost gone and press MS
Execute does more damage than MS (before the new patch not sure about now)

Or u ms when you got x2 over power stacks cause you ran out of rage spamming execute KEK

[tawdry girder]

Simc updated with whatever new prios are already or not yet

[thorn tiger]

are you guys running acsension or thread?

[potent cedar]

Critcake's latest video has a couple builds

not sure if they're the same as wowhead tho

[shadow cedar]

its because i was running sks and battlelord for my colossus m+ build but could probably drop one of those for it

thanks tho

[latent arrow]

is arms trolling in raid?

[worldly kernel]

No

[gaunt matrix]

who has the new build for M+? is this still it.

[worldly kernel]

No dreadnaught?

[latent arrow]

is the wowhead multitarget raid build the correct one for the fights that are not 2t or st?

[thorn tiger]

is it troll to play colossus in raid?

[gaunt matrix]

In M+ I only understand using it for Dawnbreaker or Siege

[rancid willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57dGT4yY1ew

[unborn oak]

Hi, do we just use demolish on cd in m+ or should we have at least X stacks? what would be X?

[unreal mountain]

so, i played some +12 keys as Collosus and can say it got better but still feels really clunky to play and damage is ok. I still think overall, Slayer is just better, specially in Pug keys

[gaunt matrix]

thx ❤️

[icy mulch]

Yeah, less need to worry about setup with Slayer. Just cleave and spin, cleave and spin. Lol

[unreal mountain]

exactly. Demolish is cool from time to time but it gets annoying to play later on. With Slayer you allways do damage on every pull and youre ST is Waaaaay higher even with good aoe

[icy mulch]

Though Colossus can do some serious heavy lifting in situations like Mists 1st boss burn or Sharmok's shield burn.

[signal coyote]

ya but demolish is dopamine injector

[icy mulch]

I did a dawn 11 and setup demolish only to have her start casting lines. Damn near killed myself.

[rancid willow]

at least she wasnt sniffing lines

da-dum-dum-tsh

[fossil thistle]

Dreadnaught cleave go brr (can we get a new pepecleave please)

[visual fern]

If you take dread and dont take BL

Its significant boss dam loss

And you have to think more to line up DN waves / manage BL

SoA + no BL is the more passive mix

[thorn tiger]

any ST arms build knocking about or the wowhead ones up to date i've watched the critcake vid they all seem to be for M+

[tranquil sundial]

you can use leap to correct

[rancid willow]

he mentions the ST build

[tranquil sundial]

so long as you leap and stay in melee u dont lose dps

it keeps going

[silent flame]

For ams warrior sim should it be
dslice of patch5

[tranquil sundial]

Is sweeping execute animation bugged?

Since 11.0.5?

[halcyon valve]

yeah

[tranquil sundial]

Unplayable

Its so over

[daring heron]

don't worry it'll come back as a store item

[thorn pelican]

is there a visualization of the demolish hitbox somewhere

[shadow ibex]

gotta just eyeball it

[thorn pelican]

[fossil thistle]

Assume melee range

(Auto attack)

[thorn pelican]

yeah its just a bit of a nebulis shape

[halcyon valve]

imagine shockwave but shorter

[shadow ibex]

i cant even be asked to try and think about it

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-cube-illusion-gif-17741422

[shadow ibex]

especially with no hitbox

[fossil thistle]

It’s something like this

[thorn pelican]

[sacred zodiac]

me after a night out

[thorn pelican]

it does come from you too, not the target

wasnt entirely sure if it was like a cone that came outta the target or a circle on the target

but it really is just like a shockwave from you at the target

[fossil thistle]

Me after laser surgery 😂

[shadow ibex]

it really could use an animation but then again

WB doesnt even have 1 really

u just kinda gotta know how big it is

[fossil thistle]

“Man I should rest” opens dungeon finder search 2-6 baby keys to keep playing when I shouldn’t

[thorn pelican]

meanwhile earthquake blasting my whole screen

[sacred zodiac]

you did keys after eye surgery?

or what does laser surgery refer to here

[fossil thistle]

Laser eye surgery, yea. Retinopathy

[sacred zodiac]

focusing on a screen after that does seem ill advised ye idk

[fossil thistle]

I typically wait an hour-two for the blurriness to relax then I’ll hop on and do one or two, hop off and rest, back and forth kinda thing. The issue is I can’t just go take a nap during the day because it’ll wildly throw off my sleeping schedule 🥲

[sacred zodiac]

i hope you prioritize your health king

can always blast keys after you've fully rested and healed

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/not-wrong-youre-right-bear-muppets-driving-gif-21164615

[plucky fern]

well maybe arms has some potential

12 grim batol

[fossil thistle]

I do. Any irritation or “tiredness” I’ll get off, or take a break

[tranquil sundial]

is this ukranian?

[icy mulch]

Something tells me dk died and you got PI.
I approve of these degen antics.

[plucky fern]

0 deaths

pi on dk

[obsidian goblet]

what build?

[quaint otter]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-gif-24576101

[scenic umbra]

Tell me we really drop sks now

Clunky af

[summer quartz]

I played colossus in a few keys last night, without sks, felt good.

wish MS hit a little bit harder

[remote talon]

sks just needs to go away

[fossil thistle]

It’s clunky but after pressing it every 21s for the last 5-6 months, it’s second nature for me

[twin locust]

What are the best St talents atm? for Arms

[glacial moat]

I hate it

[manic stirrup]

i still dont understand how colossus arms is clunky

[glacial moat]

Sks is a lame button

[steep osprey]

Crit hit 9m on sv first pull

colossus

[icy mulch]

Yeah, SS on a built up Demo into a big pack is juicy.

[remote talon]

for me it's largely that there are just way too many buttons that are part of the core rotation and some of them don't feel meaningfully different than the others... that's not just a problem with colossus, but adding demolish to the mix makes it worse

[icy mulch]

Just hate getting cucked when SS doesn't actually go off and you lose out on it.

[fossil thistle]

Tf kinda gear do you have? After 3 dungeons at 625 the highest I’ve seen is 5.1M

[gaunt matrix]

what flask should we be using btw Chaos?

[glacial moat]

Yea I agree. We have lots of stuff to press in comparison to like, most every other spec.

[fossil thistle]

Is it?
Colossus’s smash, rend/Clap sweeping strikes, avatar (off GCD) Thunderous Roar, Bladestorm/ravager, Mortal strike, Overpower, Slam, SKS
10-12 buttons?

[modest carbon]

cleave feels good

NW11, so no amps really

[teal fossil]

enh and unholy are known to have a million buttons

[fossil thistle]

👀 my highest is like 4.7M atm

[teal fossil]

arms is definitely lower on the list

[fossil thistle]

Arms and fury feel like there’s no buttons compared to other classes I play 😂

[steep osprey]

Not me, Critcake

famous streamer

[wet current]

I feel like i have no more space lol. I can't do colossus cause using skullsplitter and demolish are just pushing me over the top with button bloat

[fossil thistle]

👀 I even have spare keybinds for mount, food, health pot, and other useless stuff

[sick gazelle]

Qerfcty12345 12 hotkeys right there. Plus shift modifiers

[manic stirrup]

123456qertyfghzxcv and ctrl, shift, alt, and ctrl+shift (for repair mount, hearth, random shit like that) is bis

keybind everything

[glacial moat]

I have MS bound to shift+Ctrl 0

My powers are beyond comprehension

[fossil thistle]

Crit cake? Never heard of em 👀

[edgy solstice]

Click everything*

ftfy

[fossil thistle]

DDR pad get good guys cmon

[wanton sierra]

[granite swift]

Is colo still okay with lesser gear? Compared to fury thane...still catching up at 623 right now (626wep)

[wanton sierra]

the guy is an legend, but now he is fury xD

[fossil thistle]

My first colossus M+ at 623 was 1.63M overall

[granite swift]

juicy, thank you

have to wait till next week to craft a wep, since I am maining tank wasnt counting on coming back to arms 🙂

[modest carbon]

BL+EB makes the spec actually flow pretty well. I'd be okay-ish if you could move while demo

[high snow]

is massacre a good alternative to SKS in m+? really hate pressing that button

[fossil thistle]

I’ve known who he is since Legion :D, I was trying to find the centaur photoshop with his head on it 😂

[obsidian goblet]

is slayer just worse than colo or

[nova marsh]

If you're taking massacure, go play slayer with juggie

It's totally worth

[hollow wave]

How inferior is arms defensively compared to fury? Is that much?

[fossil thistle]

Colossus is a bit tankier, helpful in higher keys. Slayer is still fun and I think better in lower keys (less setting up)

[plucky fern]

not much data but from a few keys i ran today seems like arms does more damage but way less tanky (which is already known)

in raid idk

im not raiding

[nova marsh]

Really all fury has over arms is healing

[plucky fern]

it has a million hp more and 10% dr

healing is very minor advantage

[nova marsh]

To be fair

[plucky fern]

tbh on packs arms heals more

[nova marsh]

We ALSO had DR

[plucky fern]

you have like 200k hps just from deep wounds leech

[nova marsh]

Then blizz shot it

Even so, arms is still by no means squishy....we aren't shaman at least we have passive tankiness

[fossil thistle]

Ignore pain better-er

[plucky fern]

you can live as arms for sure

but

its way easier as fury

[fossil thistle]

^

[nova marsh]

Ye

[fossil thistle]

Truth

[plucky fern]

its second tankiest dummy in the game

after dk

[nova marsh]

I mean

DK is impossible to beat

[plucky fern]

thane fury is close to dk in survavability

[fossil thistle]

I’ve come to accept that about 20% of my rage is being dumped into ignore pain to survive boss mechanics at a 10 cause at 625 I still don’t have 6,000k hp

[devout pewter]

who needs survivability when everything is dead?

[plucky fern]

i tried ignore pain today once

it still feels trash

meaningless

20 rage for 400 shield

[nova marsh]

IP is nice as a buffer

[fossil thistle]

It does.

[plucky fern]

who gives a fuck when you receive 3million hits

in 12+ keys

[fossil thistle]

But DW healing doesn’t survive 1 shots

[plucky fern]

well if you calculated some boss mechanic

and you need IP then yes

99% of other cases

its -20 rage

for nothing

[fossil thistle]

I’d rather guarantee my survival and lose 20 rage tbh

[nova marsh]

It's like the people who argue defensive stance shouldn't be used on dps warrior

[plucky fern]

the thing is

IP does NOT guarantee your survaval

[nova marsh]

That I love laughing at

[plucky fern]

most of the cases def stance/reflect is enough

to live

400k gap is a very rare case

[fossil thistle]

Alwaaays used especially for dps downtime/pulse mechanics.

[plucky fern]

and if the key is THAT tough

[nova marsh]

Until higher keys

[plucky fern]

then what are you doing as arms

lmaop

go fury survive everything without even pressing defs

[fossil thistle]

I refuse to have trust in healers unless it’s someone I know, so I play my own survival

[nova marsh]

Same

[plucky fern]

its a correct mindset

but still

ip doesnt help that

unfortunately

its too weak

i wish blizz would buff it by like 200%

so we can have a 1mil shield at least

then we talking

[fossil thistle]

I agree the nerf was way too much, it feels bad to press

But I’ve survived with 3-6% HP through IP , Dstance and reflect multiple times

[nova marsh]

Revret all changes to arms and go back to 10.05 arms

Then we're techincally tanky

[fossil thistle]

Please no

[nova marsh]

I'm kidding

[fossil thistle]

We’d be doing 100k dps

[nova marsh]

If we did that I'm staying on enhance forever

[fossil thistle]

[plucky fern]

yeah and you could survive that with just dstance as fury

thats the difference

im mad about it too i want to play arms

but anything higher than 12

would feel like a grief

[nova marsh]

See I'm not pushing high keys

so I can't grief anyone besides playing like shit

[fossil thistle]

I’ll just continue playing arms and not forcing myself to play fury to survive

[plucky fern]

depends of how you play

[fossil thistle]

Blizzard needs to buff survivability to class/specs that can’t survive in higher keys

[plucky fern]

if you are just chilling doing medium level keys it completely fine

but if you are into pushing 0.1

[fossil thistle]

Tbh mostly 9/10s atm. I don’t super push keys.

[plucky fern]

not happening

as arms

[nova marsh]

if you're pushing into 0.1% level keys

You are playing meta

you are not playing warrior

[sick gazelle]

Ya if you pick fury you'll just end up in a higher key where you are just as squishy again

[plucky fern]

thats not really true

0.1% is not that hard to achieve if you have a good dedicated group

with any classes

yes its WAY easiser as meta

but its not impossible

honestly after recent buffs fury is fine

same dps as dk

or very close

[next sphinx]

thats my plan atm, hope someone on Dorki's team decides to quit and then through shenanigans I end up getting to play with them as arms only

[minor mica]

Not really fury has 2 huge passive damage reduction (enrage 10% DR and when you proc ThunderBlast you get 8%) so 18% passive DR frequently is huge (you add D-stance to it and you are gucci)

[plucky fern]

well this season you can get away with playing arms in a few dungeons

not every dungeon fucks you in the ass with 10mil damage hits

probably would never go arms in boralus or cot

others idk maybe doable if you tryhard enough

[plucky fern]

if fury ever feels squishy, then what class dont lol

playing 3 dks or what

[latent arrow]

what stats for ring if i want to play both arms and fury?

[hollow wave]

Fury has like 10% DR permanent (against dots too) and like 80% uptime of 8% DR/10% HP (thane) and 8% more life because double weapons
Arms have 5% avoidance (only against aoe damage), IP (nobody uses it anymore), and 2.5% DR (colossus)
Am I missing someting else?

[nova marsh]

No you're right

Fury is just insane

[steep osprey]

IP is so bad

I can't believe it

[shadow ibex]

devs forgot about it

warbringer devs

[minor gust]

Someone say Warbringer my favorite arms ability.

[white anvil]

From raid dps charts, seems arms is top of the pack aside from sin rogue. How is our M+ performance after the buff?

[quaint otter]

Its okayge

[shadow ibex]

i would bet a billion dollars they have no idea you need to IP x3

[plucky fern]

yeah which is impossible because 11 seconds cd

[steep osprey]

More like Acknowledge Pain

[shadow ibex]

yea they dont know

they think it just gives the tooltip

i guarantee 100000%

[hollow wave]

Remember when IP was part of the rotation

[shadow ibex]

and not 300k or w/e

actual DF number

[fossil thistle]

Injections no fun. Eyes burning. Definitely not doing keys 😂

[sick gazelle]

Die by the sword

[fossil quiver]

Am I the only one having my character stuck/bugged after using demolish for a couple of seconds?

[gaunt matrix]

whats the addon that tracks how many times you have been declined

[slow saddle]

Thane is 100%. The tankiest

[high snow]

cleave go brrrr

[slow saddle]

But st goes meh

But arms is fine

Thane still better

And easier to maximize

But collosus slaps!

[spark horizon]

what do you press after big CDs on a 10+ mob pull?

just cleave? 😂

[dim sleet]

Which one of you is this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/1J8VE6CwAU

[steep osprey]

[wicked slate]

Are there any changes on build I should be using for raid from what's on wowhead? I want to play colossus.

[tepid citrus]

You guys running IP and FBV for 12+ or just winging it? lol

[nova marsh]

that person needs to install declined

It'd fix their life!~

[plucky fern]

just fbv

but the correct answer we run fury

for 12+

[tepid citrus]

lol

[kind stag]

whats the dmg diff between Opportunist and Fierce Followthrough?

[shadow sierra]

Is there a reason why Sacbrood & Khadros is simming worse than Khadros & Skarmoark Shard for AE Arms?

[signal coyote]

Sorry if this is a repeated question, but what's the go-to slayer build for M+ now?

[plucky fern]

idk maybe because we have cds every ~45 sec, so each set of cds you can use a trinket and its better in ideal situation which is sim

wouldnt recommend running two on-use in real scenario

we have enough button bloat already

[lusty creek]

can i play colossus st in raid or slayer is still better?

[austere willow]

Why do sims tell me to send sweeping strikes before my opener on multitargets and wowhead states to do it after?

[faint sparrow]

I believe slayer is still best ST, while duo is colossus for court

[grave mulch]

hey guys do you have the PI value sheet??? I lost it recently

[mighty lance]

@austere willow maybe the sim gets one more on 5 min sim

[fossil quiver]

Am I the only one having my character stuck/bugged after using demolish for a couple of seconds?

[sacred zodiac]

you don't mean the channel of demolish ye, but a seperate thing after that?

[fossil quiver]

yeah last tick of demolish 50% of the time my game bug like an internet thing where characters run in place

but it's only for this ability almost

[timid osprey]

ive gotten it if a mob is dragged away during the cast

but not usually when its standing still

[astral talon]

had that on ovinax

[halcyon valve]

sus sims

[fossil quiver]

nothing we can do about it?

[vernal briar]

crazy question, but is there any scenario where chapion's spear is better than Thunderous roar? (performance wise)

cause I feel like it really helps in lining up fat chonky crits with demolish

and cleaves

[halcyon valve]

keep gambling

go for it
chase the dream of big demolish crit in spear

[vernal briar]

Toreole gets it

chase the dopamine ticks

[full furnace]

did the buffs change anything about the st build ?

[junior cape]

so is arms performing better than fury now?

[severe eagle]

holy moly how you get these numbers

[halcyon valve]

dungeon slice apparently favouring spiteful with fixed 45s cds idk it just does that

[slow saddle]

No

[halcyon valve]

if u wanna sim this joke build yourself: CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYmZMjZmZmFbLbjZAAAAYw0wYYZYGYsMmZGMzwYGDzwAAAAAAAgZMbjxAsFYssNbmZbYzwwMzMtRzAsA

[sacred zodiac]

Spiteful meta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[boreal quartz]

@sacred zodiaci am a spiteful creature i will use this talent

it speaks to me

[sacred zodiac]

spiteful is crazy good think about it

[boreal quartz]

spongus why can i not aquire upgrades in raid

[sacred zodiac]

fatality + tom + spiteful

u get 28 minutes to stack up tom for the biggest fatality in the world

[boreal quartz]

holy

[sacred zodiac]

imagine this carefully constrcuted bossfight where you hit it for 30 minutes against a target that takes 99% reduced damage

and then you lust into a spiteful tom cs

[boreal quartz]

incredible

[halcyon valve]

imagine dmg amp phase at 30%

[potent cedar]

did we get new raid builds

or nah

[boreal quartz]

like 1 or 2 talents can change depending on ur stats

[potent cedar]

do I really need SKS

[austere willow]

what's the general rotation for colossus? The exact same as slayer but just send demolish after colossus smash?

[boreal quartz]

you can drop it for EB

[boreal quartz]

ye basically

@fresh spire we did get fix on BF right

i forgor

[austere willow]

do we need to track stacks or just.. send?

[full furnace]

don't send at 0 stacks

probably 7+

[boreal quartz]

beyond the first one all will be on 10

[austere willow]

Alright, no sense in tracking then I guess

[edgy solstice]

you say that until your tank jerks off for 12 secs before pulling a boss

[boreal quartz]

id track it out of combat

[edgy solstice]

it can be handy to track in case it's close to falling off and you need to charge ms right away

[boreal quartz]

or rather low duration

[edgy solstice]

but other than that ya

[reef glade]

wait what actually happened to dreadnaught 😭

i spammed the shit out of it in liek a 15pack SV pull

did 5mil dmg

[halcyon valve]

despairge. spent the last 30 minutes getting declined from groups

people still refusing to allow arms in their presence

[slow anchor]

Just q fury and switch to arms then :P

[reef glade]

this spec kinda cool

[fresh spire]

God Help

cleave goes hard

[tacit crystal]

me in zhai

were in prison

playing double arms with bad tanks

no fun

no dam

[reef glade]

theres just not way dn is an actual talent tho right

surely soa just better...

[tacit crystal]

already swapping soa

[finite mantle]

dn ny beloved

look what they’ve done to you

[astral talon]

if dn still cleaved 😦

[shadow ibex]

Supposed to be affected by OP dmg modifiers

Tbh it just needs to be a % of whatever your OP deals instead of trying to find perfect AP%

[surreal spade]

hello fellas, where i can find a guide with all new builds ?

[austere hamlet]

does it not cleave anymore?

[astral talon]

afaik no

as in, if you have sweping

and you overpower, only main one goes

[slow saddle]

Sadge

[austere hamlet]

what du hell

screw dn then

[remote talon]

really? I don't recall hearing anything about that changing

[modest carbon]

It still does, still pretty dead talent though

[astral talon]

i remember someone mentioning it, if im wrong feel free to correct me

[shadow ibex]

they nerfed the dmg

[reef glade]

[shadow ibex]

but u get x2 waves forever

[remote talon]

yeah just tried it on target dummies, still 2 lines... just low damage

[halcyon valve]

+2'd a 10 dawnbreaker, we win these

[quasi torrent]

bro doing pre buff dps

[quasi torrent]

just do more dam

👍

[vast hinge]

no longer f tier boys

[reef glade]

yea i just beat two of those specs above arms as arms

ergo die tier list

[tacit crystal]

still worse than aug

[reef glade]

[tacit crystal]

mr ish

my key got ran down

🙂

[reef glade]

same

6 and a half minute first boss tirna

boss was 4%

[tacit crystal]

xd

[reef glade]

and we died!

😄

[tacit crystal]

come come

[reef glade]

feelin a lil humgy... but perhaps a quicky okey...

[astral talon]

ahhh

having fun on ovinax

keeping like 2.5-2.8mil dps when we have clean pulls

[reef glade]

stop having fun rn

[austere hamlet]

mate

[astral talon]

and 32% best pull

[austere hamlet]

I just swapped to slayer

[reef glade]

blizz will smell it

[austere hamlet]

because of the demolish lag

[astral talon]

ye i swapped to demolish for ovinax

[austere hamlet]

so frustrating

[astral talon]

didnt have it today

maybe once or twice

[austere hamlet]

really

[astral talon]

but it wasn't that annoying this time

[austere hamlet]

it wasnt as egregious for me today, but still bad enough to spec slayer

[astral talon]

nah i want to play demolish

also, we had 32% before 3rd container

feels kinda good

[civic halo]

Is there a reason to use rend over thunder clap or dont they do the same

[astral talon]

more dmg from rend

the initial hit

[civic halo]

ah

[sand summit]

Hello Warriors!!! - Quick question. Using Queens mandate as arms, when to use in opener?

[grand idol]

You can check in the sim when it uses it. Just run a quick sim, open the more detailed report and go down to the action prio list and it will have a sample sequence.

[final jungle]

Good question

[grand idol]

My gut tells me before you start doing anythign on pull.

[summer elbow]

78

[summer elbow]

colossus?

[earnest imp]

What's this from

[vast hinge]

Mythicstats

It just takes logs from keys

And uses the top 2000 runs or something

[fossil quiver]

demolish should always be used at 10 stack + CS/War breaker buff right?

[kind glade]

In Aoe, yes. Im not sure about ST. they start de-syncing quite heavily and i just send it there

As long there's something to cleave off w/ sweeping strikes they should stay synced

[summer elbow]

slayer aoe feels nice

[surreal spade]

Is there somewhere I can find a guide with the new builds?

oppeners, prios, this type of stuff

[devout pewter]

wowhead, icyveins probably too, dunno if maxroll is already updated now (they've been slacking a bit tbh, and I kinda love their website etc 😦 )

[regal wharf]

well

that 8 stone vault turned into a 7

[surreal spade]

wowhead is updated?

[devout pewter]

Should be, Archi is quite quick with it

[modest carbon]

Fun little thing I didn't know about, MS cast during Ravager by Unhinged also works with EB. Infinite MS inside Ravager

[regal wharf]

since this week is bricked

im gonna try arms w/o hekili

[wet current]

just saw a hekili update

[fallow lion]

someone have a WA tracker for demolish dmg?

[tacit crystal]

are you na?

[regal wharf]

yeah

[stoic oyster]

feel the energy flow through your body, the weapon is an extension of you.. put your blindfold on and see with your blade. this is the way of the warrior

[tacit crystal]

we go 1 key

ill tank it

[regal wharf]

i think im cursed this week

[tacit crystal]

whats your ign

[regal wharf]

12 deaths

Gethein

Area 52

im doing the 7 rn

[tacit crystal]

sec

[regal wharf]

prob gonna be a 6

[tacit crystal]

kk

lmk

[regal wharf]

so far my biggest issue with arms is remembering to use my cds

[sick gazelle]

thats the game

[tranquil sundial]

do we not want to throw ravager before charge?

on colossus m+

set up still irks me

[regal wharf]

19 deaths

2 bosses down

[tacit crystal]

you'll time

i believe

[shadow ibex]

i just know u ravager before WB

cuz haste makes mbg buff shorter

[tranquil sundial]

yeah

[shadow ibex]

i charge sweep roar tclap throw it or just sweeping with charge if pack is big and i want 10 rends

faster its out faster u get 10 demo stacks

[tranquil sundial]

so it is charge -> TC -> SS > Ravager > ava WB > cleave > MS > cleave > demo (if 10 stack)

[tranquil sundial]

ah yeah forgot roar

[inland tartan]

checking the loot from BRD, someone please tell me Hand of Justice isnt BiS lol.

[shadow ibex]

less CD stacks or get CD buff faster

idk

[halcyon valve]

Hell yeah

[tranquil sundial]

u mean 2 TC's before ravager and ava etc?

[shadow ibex]

sweeping makes tclap spread to more

[tranquil sundial]

never even realised that xd

[dull karma]

Do you use Demolish after warbreaker or before

[halcyon valve]

After ofc big damage

[regal wharf]

thats pretty bad

[sick gazelle]

its how it be

dont let people who have played this game for decades make u feel bad about learning the game

it takes awhile

[regal wharf]

its not them its me

[summer quartz]

did you die a bunch?

[regal wharf]

uh

a few times yeah

[pulsar elk]

why does nobody play arms lol

[regal wharf]

really shitty group

kept dying to damage

never want to see them again

against all odds we timed it

[pulsar elk]

i got a rank 48 parse and its a 92 percentile cuz theres only 5000 arms players in the world apparently

fuckadattt

[regal wharf]

arms is really fun this season too

[pulsar elk]

literally just so wildly fun and now its strong

[regal wharf]

yeah

[wide burrow]

i just started playing wow and i picked arms, did i make a mistake?

[sick gazelle]

no

[pulsar elk]

definitely not

[sick gazelle]

class only matters in the top 1%

[devout pewter]

Because it wasn't strong enough for "tha meta"

[sick gazelle]

99% and below youre chilling

[wide burrow]

alright thank you

[sick gazelle]

you should do a little training dummy practice to work on the muscle memory

only takes 5-15 mins a day

[pulsar elk]

feels like in order to get 99s in heroic as arms u gotta have some seriously fast kill times

[vital rune]

Alright which one of you was this??

[halcyon valve]

Their eyes have not been opened to the truth

[regal wharf]

im thinking so too yeah but honestly like, when im done with my ff reclears im just gonna do keys because fuck me I think stonevault might have beaten boralus in the bad dungeon catagory

[pulsar elk]

so is trying to parse on patch day just a bad idea?

[tacit crystal]

you ready @regal wharf

[regal wharf]

im doing my ff reclears

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/rotating-skull-gif-24524852

[regal wharf]

im not in the mood atm

but i ty for asking

[tacit crystal]

gl in reclears

[pulsar elk]

the rank vs parse is so frustrating to me :/

tell ur friends to play arms

it doesnt even make sense honestly

hhow is my silkran rank 1849

[astral yarrow]

try doing mythic bosses early and your rank 2 is a 0 parse

[pulsar elk]

ahahah thats so fucked id hate that

[tacit crystal]

🙂

real

rank 29

96

🙂

grrrrr

[pulsar elk]

but actually tho how is there that much more data for silkran than there is ulgrax

somethings fucky

[tacit crystal]

because

people skip it

[pulsar elk]

skip ulgrax and kill bloodbound?

is that even possible

im just looking at the ranks, like compare silkran to broodtwister in my logs

the 1849 rank feels wrong no?

[astral yarrow]

rank 2, 85th percentile

[pulsar elk]

ahaha damn thats frustrating

[tacit crystal]

real

[pulsar elk]

i came from classic where u can get 99s across the board with relative ease

[astral yarrow]

beat rank 2 by miles, but garms giga hacked or some shit

[tacit crystal]

heroic raid isnt instance locked

[pulsar elk]

oh derr

[tacit crystal]

so i can just sign up to any boss i want

[astral yarrow]

late farm is mostly pretty easy

[pulsar elk]

still silly to me that there would be that many more people killing broodtwister over silkran

esp with the neck

[pulsar elk]

yeahh my goal is just 99s in heroic this season i dont mythic raid but its been fun to push h parses, but seeing these rank vs parses is super dissapointing and kinda kills my enthusiasm :/

hopefully they jsut stop pushing patches and we can stop cutting up this season into portions

[astral yarrow]

i mean its kind of a dead goal when people arbitrarily gain 2.5% flat damage every second week

[pulsar elk]

im sure thats part of it

[tacit crystal]

also

you are fighting this

[pulsar elk]

eh its not a dead goal to me thats literally like all my playing for at this point

[tacit crystal]

you should just try to do better than yourself

not others

[sick gazelle]

how are you supposed to catch up to this?

[tacit crystal]

play better

[pulsar elk]

alts

nah theyre warbound transferrable

[dim sleet]

how many times are people gonna post this here lol

[tacit crystal]

the 2.5% means nothing

people did more damage during w1 mythic

[sick gazelle]

2.5% isnt a lot once but 10% is a lot

[astral yarrow]

you realistically dont, you just pad harder if possible

oh theres catch up for the buff

[errant lake]

Farming them bosses eh champ 😂

[tacit crystal]

#fury message

[astral yarrow]

just hc for parses mate dw boot it

[tacit crystal]

not me

its the goat of the skyhold discord

lets talk about how he doesnt have an emote btw

[astral yarrow]

kind of disingenious when arms randomly got nerfed twice over since then

[pulsar elk]

should i find a new guild

[tacit crystal]

i mean you are right but argument still holds that its possible

[astral yarrow]

also the dev evokers adding random damage, so i dont believe its 1.3mil in all reality

[astral yarrow]

when good rng meets good play 🤷‍♀️

[tacit crystal]

would still hold for other classes in the game or other players no?

yeah

[astral yarrow]

wdym

[pulsar elk]

hes saying everyone gets bombardment

[tacit crystal]

no, im trying to say that other players and other specs were probably doing more damage than us currently

just private logged

[astral yarrow]

yes, but you dont have logs of boomie damage

only details

[tacit crystal]

right

i think we are both right

[thorn tiger]

604 ilvl 8mists with friends finished on 950k overall any points or tips very welcome

[nova marsh]

Yes

[fresh sierra]

am i the only one who thinks arms is awful to play right now?

[tacit crystal]

in relation to df

yes

but its still fun

[stoic oyster]

anyone got a good arms build for brood?

[tacit crystal]

press n spec fury

unless your raid severly needs boss damage

[astral yarrow]

CcEAmidFBOBFf5oKuZ7r/WeW7AYYGzMjZMPwsNbLLjZAAAAYw0wYYbYGYsMmZGMzwYGDzwAAAAAAAgZMLjxAsEDjllZzMLDLGGmZmpNaGgF
Play this and dont tell your rl

[stoic oyster]

tyy

[tacit crystal]

what is the cook

is it colo

[astral yarrow]

beware of the hdr

[tacit crystal]

im going to try it

not like im making it past 2nd eggs

🙂

[manic stirrup]

yikes purple? you are beans friend

[tacit crystal]

[manic stirrup]

think you just play full st with warbreaker

but isk

fight is shit for arms

[astral yarrow]

i told garms i'd take his spot, but we private log, so its obviously because i didnt have the motivation to

[drifting apex]

hmmmmm hope it gonna make us broken hehe

[shadow ibex]

just a way to nerf content

some fancy player power increase

everyone gets 1

[thorn pelican]

[drifting apex]

If it's a good first step to S2 i'll take it :p

[rustic knot]

what are ideal stat weights for colossal build arms?

[quaint otter]

anulet moment

[quaint otter]

haste crit

[tacit crystal]

stat weights are outdated sim yourself instead

[granite swift]

mercurial egg wont leave me alone

bis now?

[rare kite]

it is very good yeah, simmed about equal to sacbrood for me last time i checked. both myth track

[granite swift]

i dont have sacbrood so running with mandate and transmitter, reckon i should drop the mandate for the egg?

[rare kite]

i would personally yeah, but i despise double on use

[junior lodge]

im in the same exact boat, my mercurial is simming better for me and telling me to replace mandate. I just don't know how to properly use the mercurial.

[minor gust]

just a 12 DB but still blasting with colossus

😎

[nova marsh]

Oh

Of course my enhance gets good trinkets when my warrior was stuck with a vet mark of khardos for like 4 weeks

[golden magnet]

@minor gust nice DMG! Is that colossus?

[runic tundra]

I'd hope that's what blasting with colossus implied

[golden magnet]

@runic tundra your right. Didn't see that

[plain hollow]

are we not playing with warbreaker as colu in m+?

[granite swift]

Exactly the same boat...guess I gotta figure out how to get the best out of egg

[nova marsh]

just play with it

lean fully into the aoe

[silk spade]

looks familiar

[minor gust]

It's purely a decision of do you want more aoe or ST. Colossus's biggest strength is its AOE so might as well lean into that and find ST elsewhere or let the others in your grp carry ST

[tacit crystal]

dont know who it could be

https://tenor.com/bSbQp.gif

zhai i need gold

[silk spade]

sell boosts

[tacit crystal]

the m+s dont want me

[silk spade]

buy a token

[onyx rapids]

um i saw critcakes video and have a question
is arms damage oeverall output better than fury?! it sure seems that way in his video

[noble anvil]

Anyone has an "advanced" guide video for arms ? I can't seem to find any new ones on yt

Haven't touched that thing since prepatch

[plain hollow]

tried it out on dummies, def like this playstyle only thing I dont like is the camera snapping demolish does

[noble anvil]

Am gonna assume its like axe in DF shouldn't be that bad

So nobody plays the spec anymore?

[plain hollow]

its pretty much the lege yeah

[regal wharf]

i think

this is the worst week of M+ ive ever had

by far

ive bricked 3 keys and timed 1

[real leaf]

i mean ive had eople royaly fk my keys 3 tiimes today because they rage log when they die because of something THEY did

btw anyone got a good raid build besides one on wowhead? preferably one that isnt slayer for arms

[tacit crystal]

i bricked my first 10 in weeks i understand your struggle

i briked a 4 as well

[real leaf]

i also tryed to tank my key once and got one shot thru all my def buffs and def stance so like yea its been a pain to do keys above 3s

[vital rune]

Col feels so rage starved compared to slayer

[noble anvil]

Don't turn your back to the mobs and you can survive anything

[regal wharf]

tbh like

Thane fury is really fun

but I dont wanna abandon you wars

arms woyers

[noble anvil]

You press shield block when it drops and you spam tc and shield slams and dump into ignore pain for now and you will do good damage and won't even need a healer

[karmic reef]

Slayer or colossus for mythic court

[noble anvil]

Check logs i guess

[karmic reef]

it's like a 40/60 split

[teal fossil]

Whatever you have more practice

[noble anvil]

Am no expert but i think at that point you pick your most comfortable spec

[stoic oyster]

try colossus.. i did pretty well on brood

[karmic reef]

colossus with spear sounds wild, pretty tempting

[stoic oyster]

sounds interesting.. might be worth a shot, some bleeds just dont seem to hit too hard

[stoic oyster]

try running Storm of Swords, helps a lot with cleave procs

[teal fossil]

you should never starve when spamming cleave

cleave is so cheap

[vital rune]

I feel it more during bosses

[sterile geyser]

if opting out of sks in m+ build what talent do you replace it with?

[quaint otter]

eb

[nova marsh]

slayer or colossus?

[sterile geyser]

colossus

[nova marsh]

EB probs

[dusty depot]

Is any arms spec good in low keys where mobs die very fast?

[thorn pelican]

mm i think slayer has less setup just spin to win

[burnt lake]

collosus the mob

[dusty depot]

With colossus I'm doing really low on lower ones, but much higher on higher keys

[dusty depot]

Yeah, probably

then

[vague nova]

If you get a tank that w keys the dungeon slayer feels so nice

[burnt lake]

slayer is good if u need more single target, but cleave is OP OP

[vague nova]

If they pull pack to pack it feels like a 50% nerf (exaggerated)

[thorn pelican]

reap is just less to worry about than demo and setting up big wombos

[raw sapphire]

demolish is on like a 30 second cooldown

not much setup

[burnt lake]

yeah u p much use it on CD for big dam

[toxic panther]

how come fatality isnt used for raid this expac?

[ornate eagle]

Cuz bad

[toxic panther]

but what makes it bad? was it a change from this expac or is it because its not as good with hero talents?

[manic stirrup]

it just doesnt do enough damage

[plain hollow]

damn I find the colo m+ rotation really hard

[manic stirrup]

no test of might also reduces its value

[toxic panther]

oh okay, ty!

[bold depot]

you spend all fight building stacks and then it does like 3 mil dmg

it sucks so much

[plain hollow]

haven´t played colu in m+, how does it fare in +10 and 11s

do you have time to pop off on packs ?

[vital summit]

They could make execute fire off fatality regardless of %HP tho

and increase the application chance on MS/Cleave

[thick kelp]

Fatalitys biggest problem is that it isnt affectd by any of our Aura buffs we have gotten

so it gets left behind whenever our aura buff is in the positives and requires blizzard to tune it separately

[teal fossil]

everything else got better

It used to be that fatalities good because bladestorm is a huge loss in st

And then they made unhinged

[teal fossil]

It’s about 3% on st

Not too bad

Not great and not exciting though

[teal fossil]

We technically have no aura buffs right now

[vital summit]

I don't like unhinged

[teal fossil]

We got it zeroed out going into tww and the buffs have been to specific spells

[vital summit]

but it's too good to not to be taken

[thick kelp]

in DF fatality performed well was cuz we were at -18% aura

so it tracks

[teal fossil]

we were positive from 10.05

In dragonflight

We were only deep into the negatives in beta

[thick kelp]

im pretty sure i recall archi sayin we were negative at some point

[teal fossil]

We were

It just wasn’t for very long

Also remember that fatality doesn’t scale from crit mastery

So every other ability gets about 15% stronger per tier while fatality gets 10% stronger a tier

Give or take

[vital summit]

does it gets increased with avatar/CS?

[thick kelp]

no

its made to not scale off of anything other than mainstat

[teal fossil]

It’s got so many problems

It’s crazy

[vital summit]

they should just get rid of it tbh

[teal fossil]

It’s a trinket disguised as a talent

[thick kelp]

im fine with it

[teal fossil]

The concept of it is fine

[thick kelp]

its a nice talent

[teal fossil]

The execution of it is horrid

The concept of shooting up the meters going into execute is cool

[thick kelp]

lacks the oomph

[teal fossil]

Building stacks is cool, makes it so you don’t afk the first 65%

[thick kelp]

cue the inkpod montage

[vital summit]

the idea that you would stack a nuclear blast on a boss sub 20% sounds cool but in reality there are just too many problems with that

your sustained damage suffers because of it

[thick kelp]

poppin fatality in smolderon intermission with tom up felt great

[teal fossil]

It’s literally a sustained damage talent disguised as a burst talent

[edgy solstice]

the issue is when you feel like you're balanced around fatality so your pre-execute is obv shit but then your execute isn't even as good as you'd like bc half of it is baked into a lump sum hit

[vital summit]

that's why execute fireing it off regardless of HP would help

[thick kelp]

noo

[teal fossil]

Why would it help

Then it’s just a boring ms damage proc

[wide burrow]

are there any good macros for pvp and pve and how do i set them up?

[teal fossil]

At that point actually remove it

[edgy solstice]

i mean i guess. if fatality procced more often then you could feel the diff on more than just a main target

still think it'd be a shit talent

[teal fossil]

You don’t want it to proc more often than it is now

It’s already pretty uptime demanding

[vital summit]

too many stacking gameplays on arms

[edgy solstice]

think he means sudden death would consume stacks regardless of target's hp, meaning you'd be able to do it more conveniently on targets that aren't the boss

[teal fossil]

Right now it’s 8 ppm so you already don’t have a lot of leeway

[vital summit]

stack fatality, stack juggernaut, stack MS amps...

[quaint otter]

Stack tom

Stack ignore pain

[teal fossil]

That is still doesn’t solve the fundamental problem

[vital summit]

Do not utter those words

[thick kelp]

Mortal strike crits grant 2 stacks of fatality

[teal fossil]

You lose all fantasy of fatality, and it doesn’t solve the problem of it scaling poorly into aoe

[teal fossil]

This is something

[thick kelp]

now scales off of mastry and always crits

[edgy solstice]

it'll never scale into aoe unless it just auto detonates

[teal fossil]

Well it’s ppm

So the total damage is always the same

It’ll just be split amongst x targets

It’s not even about auto detonate

[teal fossil]

Yeah you cooking here

Make it stacking off ms crit makes it scale with crit

[vital summit]

cleave apply fatality to every target it hits (when it procs) and execute fires it on every target

[edgy solstice]

even if cleave spread it to all targets, you're not gonna execute every mob in a pack of 15

[teal fossil]

And then mastery is already 100% uptime

[vital summit]

that could work

use execute > all fatality marks goes off

[teal fossil]

Again

[thick kelp]

Only thing I want is haste to die as a stat for arms

give me crit mastery

[teal fossil]

The problem with execute popping at any hp is that it loses the fantasy

[quaint otter]

Jeez the cook

[teal fossil]

That’s not the point

[edgy solstice]

tell them to buff spiteful serenity then

[teal fossil]

Also we don’t need fatality to be an aoe talent

We already have plenty of those

[vital summit]

we kinda do

unhinged is ST and EP is ST

[quaint otter]

We really have only 1 aoe talent

[thick kelp]

Dont tell people its kind of competitive in aoe already cuz of cleave

not joking btw

it always creeps up

[teal fossil]

We tried it in df

It’s like slightly better than another point in bb

And I can’t imagine anything changed

[edgy solstice]

it was fairly good in df but just not practical

[teal fossil]

Like so slightly better

0.3% gain in sustained aoe

To go through the effort of sniping marks

Just run the passive bb

[vital summit]

ways to improve it right now would be:

• MS/cleave crits apply 2 stacks
• Cleave puts fatal mark on every enemy hit when it procs
• Execute pops all fatal marks (sub 20%)

[teal fossil]

I’m ok with this

[thick kelp]

How about

Brutal sweep

Proc that makes execute hit up to 5 targets

[edgy solstice]

what procs it

[thick kelp]

Rend

ticks

[edgy solstice]

[teal fossil]

Passive random shit

[thick kelp]

Gives us a non cringe way to pop fatals

[teal fossil]

Autos or rend is like the same thing

[thick kelp]

idk make it a combo attack from SD?

then

add a lil spice

[teal fossil]

I would prob do that

But then sd is too illegally strong for a first tier talent

[thick kelp]

is it tho

if u are required to talent into this

aoe execute

[teal fossil]

Oh then sure

[thick kelp]

to turn it to that

Make it replace jugg or smth

[teal fossil]

I thought you want it baked into sd

[thick kelp]

hell no

Most broken node in game

after veteran of the 3rd war

[teal fossil]

That’s grandfathered in

[latent arrow]

So like caustic spatter

[teal fossil]

That’s a 3rd tier talent

Iirc

[quaint otter]

^^^^

[teal fossil]

Caustic spatter is pretty far down

[thick kelp]

3rd row

With how our tree is built

[teal fossil]

See I would say that you are allowed to take this thing without sd

[thick kelp]

SD is technically lower

[quaint otter]

Yeah yet its passive hundreds of millions damage

While dreadnought does 20kk per inst

[teal fossil]

But now fury can take Am without it doing anything

[teal fossil]

No shit a last tier talent is doing big dam

It better

[edgy solstice]

caustic spatter?

is first tier

[teal fossil]

Is it

I’m not familiar

Lemme look

[edgy solstice]

ya

4th row

[thick kelp]

ok but we arent yellow class

we cant have nice things

[edgy solstice]

i dont think it proves much to compare to other classes but ya

[magic canopy]

it is

[teal fossil]

Oh yeah it is

[edgy solstice]

a lot of specs have very valuable talents in first tier

[magic canopy]

does like 17% of their overall

[quaint otter]

Its here

Choice

[magic canopy]

does as much damage as roar/odyns combined

[edgy solstice]

caustic, cataclysm

prob a lot more but i dont really play alts idk

[teal fossil]

First tier alternates from stuff that used to be baseline, filler garbage, or spec defining

[magic canopy]

its literally PURE passive to

[teal fossil]

It’s kinda crazy

[magic canopy]

hit big guy/hit everything

[quaint otter]

So why the fuck

Dreadnought is by far worse than caustic thing

[teal fossil]

Ass rogue kinda didn’t have cleave before they added spatter

lol

[edgy solstice]

ya

[teal fossil]

I remember them in shadowlands

[edgy solstice]

was all tab target dotting + tempest

[vital summit]

Dreadnought sounds cool and hits like a wet slap

[teal fossil]

You can pretend caustic is just blade flurry tbh

[magic canopy]

its better then BF

BF hard capped at 8 its pathetic

[quaint otter]

I mean i didn't know its so bad now that i dont even see it in details

Was good in df

[magic canopy]

idk why they cant just make us passivly cleave shit on arms and fury

[edgy solstice]

too good

[magic canopy]

noone cares about pressing WW

[thick kelp]

3target passive sweep

my beloved

[magic canopy]

Tbast doesnt even need the added meat cleaver effect to be good

[quaint otter]

They call it windwalker monk

[vital summit]

WTB MoP Slam that was doing actual damage and has nice little AoE baked in

[quaint otter]

[teal fossil]

Tbh soft 5 is about as good as hard 8

I’m sure hard 8 beats soft 5 until like 11 targets

[magic canopy]

we have things that hit more then 8 though

first pull necrotic wake outlaw literally does tank damage

its sad

[teal fossil]

Well we are comparing caustic vs bf

I’m just saying that’s the math

[quaint otter]

Muti does up to 10kk

[magic canopy]

if BF was reduced beyond 8 they sure

but its hard capped

[teal fossil]

There are way more pulls below 11 than above

[thick kelp]

it does tank damage

but it kills the important mob

and not the smmallies

[magic canopy]

sin also prios

[thick kelp]

yeah

[edgy solstice]

outlaw would be a balancing nightmare if BF wasn't capped

[thick kelp]

prolly better than outlaw?

[quaint otter]

Kingsbane goes brrrrr

[magic canopy]

better prio then outlaw and more aoe

[thick kelp]

bigsmile

[magic canopy]

outlaw might be better on pure single target, but its not by much and it has no CDs for things like damage amps

[edgy solstice]

yeah outlaw is just fury with more util. been that way. you can balance outlaw outside of BF just like they balanced fury after bfa with cds

outlaw just needs a button

a real button

[magic canopy]

i should play some sin rogue to see how it is.

[vital summit]

More buffs plox, we bad see? <ignoring the fact that this is from the week beefore the buffs because why not>

[teal fossil]

Yes I’m saying that a hard 8 is much better than a soft 5 until a high count

[magic canopy]

arms is in a pretty good spot rn

[teal fossil]

That’s just how math works

[edgy solstice]

all bosses is bad indicator tbf

[teal fossil]

If ass rogue is doing more through soft 5 then the spec is just stronger

[vital summit]

just give me a spot betweem bugged outlaw and overbuffed ele and we good

[tranquil sundial]

we will get behind again in 10.0.7

as it always goes

[edgy solstice]

maybe if our tier set wasn't swamp ass

[tranquil sundial]

underperformer will get buffs and neither warrior is underperforming

[vital summit]

all tier sets are swamp ass tbh

just some bland 10% increases here and there

[teal fossil]

Yeah most are shit outside of some exceptions

[teal fossil]

We were never ahead

But it’s ok

We scale with borrowed power

[edgy solstice]

design is whatever but when ours is 1% and others are feasting

yeno

[teal fossil]

We have a ring coming up