arms

[shadow ibex]

thats how ive always thought about it

[devout pewter]

ah fuck i forgot to change away from dungeon slice, rip

[thick hamlet]

do we know if the priority of MS during execute phase changed at all?

in someway i was hoping the execute "nerf" to 7% was real for arms so the rotation would improve

[cinder bison]

So, are arms warriors happy with their buffs ? XD

[devout pewter]

We were always happy

[wanton ravine]

Should we still be using slayer or go to colossus now?

[devout pewter]

Depends on what you like the most

I hope it aint to do with cakes tho

[wanton ravine]

Slayer is low maintenance, which is nice.

[devout pewter]

Otherwise, I like to just sim different builds to see where my gear runs best. Then disregard that and play colossus, because colossus owns

(except in raids sadly)

really bad time to be simming tho..

1700 queue

[minor gust]

Rasha before the EU boys come online and pump on us

[thick hamlet]

we're already on bro

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[tacit crystal]

I WISH I COULD PLAY ARMS ON RASHANAN

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[edgy solstice]

just do it

[tacit crystal]

nah

we need add damage

🙂

[minor gust]

other classes are strong enough to murder adds

its not a big deal

[tacit crystal]

nope

🙂

not in my group

🙂

[edgy solstice]

just swap anyway

[tacit crystal]

real

mr trench what di dyou get in box

[edgy solstice]

sikran neck

[shadow ibex]

rashan neck beats it for me

[tacit crystal]

m or hc

[shadow ibex]

its actually insane

[edgy solstice]

m

[tacit crystal]

gz

neck dropped i did not get

🙂

[edgy solstice]

just waiting on rashondra cloak

and a trink

[tacit crystal]

im just so starved on gilded crests

[minor gust]

I wanna play some arms for ovinax this week but this will be our first rekill so prob not

[edgy solstice]

never getting any trinks from vault stings but yeno

[tacit crystal]

i dont think im allowed to swap

[tacit crystal]

i also got m boots so i can move embellishment

into wrists or waist

[wanton ravine]

Should we be wearing three crafted items at least due to embellishments?

[edgy solstice]

i'll recraft embel onto boots whenever i get rashondra cloak

only two can have embels

but the rest just craft as you need

[tacit crystal]

im mainly moving embellishment because i could get 17 ilevel on 2 pieces for free

but slight issue is im capped on crests for like 3 weeks

[edgy solstice]

i got 60 left but nothing to spend it on

[dreamy egret]

they gave hunters condemn but we cant have it back

like what the fuck

[tawdry girder]

any new secret tech talents wise since the buffs

[edgy solstice]

brutal finish

[minor gust]

dont forget fierce followthrough 🙂

[tawdry girder]

bet ty boss

[unreal mountain]

i simmed Aterial blood and it still sims really high for ST as Collo even for AOE good

[languid burrow]

I had my doubts while smacking training dummies, but Colossus Arms SLAPS

the AoE feels so much more consistent than Fury

feels like a Ret pally, except w/o the utility

[snow pagoda]

[minor gust]

your small cd sets feels very strong as colossus

[languid burrow]

Yeah, just getting SS with Cleave alone is enough

SS+Cleave+WB+Demo every pack

[minor gust]

[pallid cove]

Hi guys ... just got up .. hows it feeling today ?

people done much tersting ?

testing

[visual fern]

✅

[minor gust]

Garms has returned

Gspair is no more

[slow saddle]

Now for qol let us more while using demo just like palas

[wild ruin]

nothing to start the day like a mythic track sacbrood from vault

and the buffs

[slow saddle]

Gz

[balmy kindle]

Thane feels really good until you look at the meters

[slow saddle]

Thane slaps as well

But arms is life

[summer heath]

What missive to get for my arms warrior 2x craftable pvp ring

[slow saddle]

Crit - haste?

Or u a pvp only

[summer heath]

Crit haste with mastery enchance

[weak rain]

Ok, it's 10% buff for arms and 7% for fury, right?

[rigid lily]

On execute yes

[summer heath]

That bad so lower dps?

[thick hamlet]

bros how fast can i farm valor

[slow saddle]

Valor???

[summer heath]

valorstone

[proper atlas]

aite whats the builds for 10+

[balmy kindle]

Do LFR and normal reclears

[thick hamlet]

thanks broski

[thick hamlet]

valorstones

[slow saddle]

The event mby? From kofferkeys

[thick hamlet]

come back to us man, wotlk was 99 years ago

[slow saddle]

Well call em stones😅

[kind stag]

vault being shit for weeks now i hope someone else has the same experience because wtf is my gearing at this point

[edgy solstice]

how it be

[kind stag]

wait a week to get 6 tokens

[slow saddle]

Fact

[kind stag]

[balmy kindle]

U already have all myth track tho don't ya

[thick hamlet]

bros somebody explain this to me

im simming two identical builds with the only diff being exhilirating blow vs ignore pain

how are they simming the exact same

[edgy solstice]

bc eb is cheeks

[slow saddle]

Sadly ms needed 30% buff

For eb

[balmy kindle]

The case for EB now is in keys with mbg

Ravager and mash that

[kind stag]

no....

[balmy kindle]

I also got myth track in all my heroic max parts

[kind stag]

i think EB is not working on sims

[maiden moat]

Trinket or Haste mastery legs?
https://gyazo.com/54c8b106c2cadff3fa93c65c90e4eee4

[edgy solstice]

EB for single target is dogshit, it's not an issue with sims

only reason you use it for keys is colo cleave spam during mbg window

even then idk if i'm a fan. you go some mbg windows without it proccing once and mbg is already a chopping block talent

less so now tho

[balmy kindle]

Trink, skarmoraks esp is good for keys

[thick hamlet]

i think it might be a dps loss lmao

how can we get a confirmation on this

[kind stag]

idk

EB BL is gucci for m+ colo

or that build from critcakes video

[balmy kindle]

But if u take EB u kinda need to take mBG tho

[kind stag]

though i gotta let people here cook the good good builds

[balmy kindle]

Like it's the best value u can get out o EB

[kind stag]

ofc, EB is for mbg

non optional

fat cleave spam

[thick hamlet]

fellas

we're comparing EB with a literal 0 dps node

how is it the same

[edgy solstice]

#arms message

[balmy kindle]

Personally I don't use it on my runs after running it, but I can see why people like it

[thick hamlet]

i was testing for m+

and again, it's simming the same as a 0 dps talent

[balmy kindle]

Yeah because it's 20%

You can go on dry streaks where you get zero resets

[thick hamlet]

so either it's a dps loss so the sim doesn't use the procs (??) or it's not working right

[balmy kindle]

And that's a wasted point

[vale gorge]

Pain absorb is still bugged ?

[thick hamlet]

i donno what more i can say tbh

[balmy kindle]

Like EB doesn't sim well, it's more of a feel good talent imo

[thick hamlet]

if say during 3mins, i get some really bad luck and it only procs a handful of times, it should still be better than a button that has 0 dps increase

[manic stirrup]

what 0 dps are u talking about

[edgy solstice]

he's simming eb vs ip lol

[thick hamlet]

EB simming same dps vs ignore pain on raidbots during a 34min necrotic wake colossus build test

[edgy solstice]

in which case it shouldn't be 0 dps

[manic stirrup]

just sim a patchwerk or dungeon slice

why are u mdt simming

thats hella work for no information

[edgy solstice]

but there's prob an issue with the sim ya

[thick hamlet]

sure 1 min ill sim

[manic stirrup]

eb can not be 0 dps its just not possible

[thick hamlet]

that's what im trying to say

[manic stirrup]

youll have a situation where u will ms into slam and eb can proc so its ms into ms

[thick hamlet]

@manic stirrup @junior belfry @balmy kindle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8fTSgnSdieSDUkkzZPDjSo

it's 0.1% less?

[manic stirrup]

within margin of error

looks to be fucked u

[thick hamlet]

ya

[manic stirrup]

p

[thick hamlet]

how can i verify if it's fucked or not, and how can i fix it?

[balmy kindle]

Hard to tell really on this

[thick hamlet]

it really isn't mate

doing the same comparison but EB vs sudden death is a dps increase on sudden death

that's on aoe, for a colossus build

@smoky kayak can we get ur take on this por favor

[balmy kindle]

Like looking at your Sims I can't see anything wrong as well lol

[dire hinge]

what's the question?

whether or not EB is working?

[thick hamlet]

pretty much yes

i posted sims of it doing as much dps as ignore pain on an MDT dungeon route

it's in the 0.1% range

same for dungeon slice too

[dire hinge]

i mean it's definitely happening within the sim. Used your original addon input and just put it in a QuickSim for both Patchwerk and DSlices, and we can see instances where MS and Cleave are both cast back to back, which only EB can accomplish 🤔
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ipZ3qmf6jCYbBZwGhczvgA

[thick hamlet]

how would u explain it then?

because imo as long as it proccs a handful number of times, it's already for sure better than IP

[teal fossil]

Ip?

[thick hamlet]

the only thing i can think of is that that 2nd cleave back to back cast is not a dps increase over buffed overpower+dreadnaught that also buffs the next cleave

[thick hamlet]

ignore pain

[teal fossil]

How are you skipping ip

They force you to take it

Oh i see what you are doing

Sorry I’m late to the convo

You are using ip as a textless point

[thick hamlet]

ya pretty much

[teal fossil]

You should rerun this sim with only 2 combinations

It hurts my head looking through all the combinations

[thick hamlet]

i have already, lost the sim tho

been messing with this since yesterday

same result

bro

i didnt get a chance to listen

[thick hamlet]

hey mind telling me how u bring this up?

[dire hinge]

The images? They’re taken from the bottom of QuickSims, where they include a full rotation that one (1) of the iterations performed. Helps to see if the spells are actually being cast or not

[thick hamlet]

ah so it shows like the timeline of what happened during the sim? or just a sample

[teal fossil]

Yeah

One sample

But it’s clearly shows that eb is working

[thick hamlet]

im considering the distinction between sample vs actual timeline, maybe there's a bug in the actual timeline

or maybe it's as simple as what i said earlier about overpower+dreadnaught buffs being worth it over it

[dense vector]

Any colossus raid builds looking good?

[steep osprey]

Myth track legs for all specs or giga ring for arms

The choices..

Thoughts?

[thick hamlet]

already got mandate then?

[steep osprey]

No

[cyan oriole]

i'd take that ring instantly only because i spent a long time farming it

legs probably smarter choice though

[steep osprey]

This is so hard lol

I wanna play arms in keys and maybe some bosses

but i mainly play fury

I'll sim it

[cyan oriole]

yea if you mainly play fury i'd just pick legs. that ring is giga for arms but if you only play it on occasion then its not worth to take over legs

[thick hamlet]

i wouldnt gloss over mandate

[steep osprey]

I am not glossing over it but it's unfortunate with the amount of choices i have

[gray knoll]

The ring simmed quite nicely for fury for me but I have key chain neck myth track and writhing worm as my other ring. But yeh when you are stacked with mastery it can be ok for fury still

[teal fossil]

What do you mean by sample vs actual

Sample is 1 out of many

What actual are you talking about

Another way to check if eb works is see if your average ms/cleave casts went up

[still fox]

so what are the m+ talents with coloss that you don't lose a lot of single target?

[edgy solstice]

you're losing a lot no matter what

[teal fossil]

By selecting colossus you lost 5%

[edgy solstice]

but you can play massa/ep/blord/sks over mbg/eb/bb

if you're just trying to do boss/prio dam, play slayer

[thick kelp]

what the fuck

is that build

that has been simmed

[still fox]

and with slyaer is jugg the play?

[balmy kindle]

Legs better, fury dmg is beans with crit haste

FML 21% fury mastery

[steep osprey]

Yeah I figured

I forgot to choose cata lol

and simmed

I am an idiot, don't have cata charge

oh well, i'll keep it in my bags, not like i have enough crests lol

[balmy kindle]

I did the same thing, take myth legs, saving crests

[slow saddle]

Worth spending a vault getting HC transmitter ?

i got champion track

its that or socket

[steep osprey]

if it's socket

then transmitter

[edgy solstice]

sockets are kinda cheeks so ya

[steep osprey]

^

[edgy solstice]

i was actually happy getting socks in DF, kinda sad

[slow saddle]

ye i had 2 slots both, with m+ but both i had

[balmy kindle]

I am happy that sockets are easy to get now

[slow saddle]

well we cant complain socket bad coz we can socket items for free

so i mean

[balmy kindle]

Before it was annoying as F

[edgy solstice]

yeah but a socket on bracers is still shit

[balmy kindle]

One socket = 10-20 ilevel

[signal coyote]

so whats the arms ST build now?

[steep osprey]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dKLxTCjjRdecFHoxiPkjta

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rRfVcMdDmW3GF8sXvxDPwy

lmao love how arms is just 4 instead of 3 at the end

[slow saddle]

HOLY FUCK

400 valor stones

to upgrade trinket 2 x times

[edgy solstice]

arms st build didn't change besides BF/FF now

[slow saddle]

WTF

[junior marsh]

guys

[thick kelp]

Nice arms talents @steep osprey

[junior marsh]

my prot paladin does more damage than my 632 arms warrior

is this wrong?

[steep osprey]

What should I pick?

[steep osprey]

Haven't touched in a while

[thick kelp]

not this

[junior marsh]

and im even using hekili for my rotation

[teal fossil]

Seems like skill issue somewhere

[steep osprey]

hahaha

[thick kelp]

go 2x bb

[steep osprey]

I mean sims are still same

[thick kelp]

and fierce followthru on slayer tree

[steep osprey]

Ring wins

[thick kelp]

smh

[edgy solstice]

ngl i miss imp ss. i hate running cd but it's too good

[steep osprey]

But I wanna play arms too

but ring is shit for fury

so it's legs

midddle ground

[quaint otter]

acshully owned this 9th nw

[junior marsh]

chump numbers

my prot paladin does 2.3

[quaint otter]

[thick kelp]

@steep osprey cant u at this point

afford to craft a ring

to 636

[steep osprey]

I can actually

[signal coyote]

ST sim says BF/FF is worse than the other options for me

[steep osprey]

not 636 but I can

[thick kelp]

so pick bis arm ring

and get pants from raid

craft fury ring

[teal fossil]

If your prot pal does 2.3 you should play with gingi

[quaint otter]

oh shit im sorry

[steep osprey]

I don't raid mythic on my warrior

[junior marsh]

he suk too lmao

@teal fossil

[thick kelp]

Time to raid mythic

[junior marsh]

u see his boomkin?

its awful

[steep osprey]

I raid on my shaman

[thick kelp]

go alt raid mythic difficulty

[teal fossil]

Considering naowh is pulling 900k

[steep osprey]

Ok

that settles it

[teal fossil]

If your prot pal pulls 2.3

[steep osprey]

walhe said go alt raid mythic

[teal fossil]

You should just join mdi

Built different

[thick kelp]

np

[edgy solstice]

BF is like +12k for me. FF vs Opp were equal so I just go FF

[junior marsh]

im gunna form mdi team

see u soon

[edgy solstice]

but stats yeno

[junior marsh]

and my ui is gunna be nothing but hekili rotation

[thick kelp]

u need alot more crit now

to see the FF

effect

[edgy solstice]

ya

[thick kelp]

sim crit flask and see

[edgy solstice]

im sitting at 40% rn anyway from gearing for colo

so it works out

[steep osprey]

I have 8 valorstones!!

[thick kelp]

Ye thats chill

I fucking hate

valorstones

[steep osprey]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4vMv2NfachkKhNvZTPmLh4

[thick kelp]

I have 100 unused crests from last weeks

just cuz cba

with valorstones

[edgy solstice]

if you got echoes laying around

you can cap valor quick with those

[thick kelp]

A whopping 0

[steep osprey]

Yeah I do

[edgy solstice]

F

[steep osprey]

4 of them

need to do one vault

for 5

[thick kelp]

Box

why are u yousing

Dragonflight

ring enchants

?

[steep osprey]

Mistake

[edgy solstice]

budget enchants

[steep osprey]

It doesn't matter

[thick kelp]

ome

[edgy solstice]

howling runes go hard

[steep osprey]

fury legs were 9k dps

arms 15k

ring 22k

we go legs for middle ground?

I'll craft a ring for arms

[edgy solstice]

ring is juicy

but i only play fury for ovinax

[steep osprey]

@thick kelp Time to do all weekly quests

world stuff

you get a lot of valorstones

and now a lot of bronze currency for event

[thick kelp]

yeah

[steep osprey]

2 birds one stone

[thick kelp]

atleast I have a reason now

[edgy solstice]

i cba to do that shit still

[fresh wren]

what build are we playing for m+ now?

[warm ore]

Still simming 6m overall in ST less than my Fury specc on ST, cba

[chrome otter]

i would like to know too

[thick kelp]

Personally playing this and swapping between DN and SoA

If i wanted to play Slayer I would go for the juggernaut build

[edgy solstice]

ya depends on dungeons

jugg stocks are kinda up but it doesn't fit for some dungeons or tanks

[steep osprey]

I'm gonna do a funny and recraft weapon for fury/arms every time i change

[balmy kindle]

Careful now we might get a nerf next week

[edgy solstice]

i'm 0/5 tn on actually finishing 12s tho

[steep osprey]

Blizzard tunes way less for m+ than they do for raid

[balmy kindle]

Just wanna enjoy the spec man, sick of getting slapped

[quaint otter]

Imagine if there were big pulls

I would suck some balls

[thick hamlet]

hey it's been almost a full day, is it time to start dooming again

[edgy solstice]

dead spec, pack it up bois

[steep osprey]

pack it up where?

[smoky kayak]

seems like the convo has already run its course, but the TLDR:

• EB does work, you can clearly see the resets occurring and being used
• While that does have value, it's not really that much - every action has an opportunity cost, which means you're using that second Mortal Strike/Cleave in place of something else
• A lot of MS/Cleave's value comes from buffs which you don't have active anymore on the second consecutive use

[vital summit]

Absolutely unable to tank in this spec

[thick hamlet]

so it IS the fact that overpower+dreadnaught buffs are pulling ahead

appreciate it

[edgy solstice]

obligatory weekly psa: swap eb with combo

[smoky kayak]

I mean it may not be specifically OP/DN, but various sources of damage all contribute

[summer heath]

Anyone has good open world/dungeon build for PvE (or can link) ?

[teal fossil]

Though 0.2% gain with colossus does seem suspiciously low

[smoky kayak]

EB works, but it doesn't trigger that often, nor do you necessarily even want to use it every time it triggers
So whatever gains you're making are likely in place of whatever you would have gotten anyway

[teal fossil]

On a first glance

[thick kelp]

its a dungoen sim

so there is boss fights etc,

where eb gets its value is the cleave cleave cleave

moments during mbg

[edgy solstice]

ya

[smoky kayak]

also our profiles don't support Dungeon Route that well; there's some support for dungeon slice but route is more dynamic and harder to build for @thick hamlet

[slow saddle]

we still need to NERF martial prowess and buff baseline ms / leave for there to be true EB value

[edgy solstice]

but sometimes doesn't even happen. the lottery talent

[thick hamlet]

slice has also rolled around 0.1~0.2%

i mean difference between eb and ip

[slow saddle]

Also Archi for the LOVE of GOD can u make em rework the avatar ST talent to something that could get use in theory at least

[smoky kayak]

again, I'm not saying that's the reason for this particular scenario, I'm just saying that in general there's not a ton of support for Route (and only marginal for slice atm), so I wouldn't rely too hard on it as a means of drawing comparison

[slow saddle]

like the sweep one i like, and if we had the talent points it would be taken we just done coz we have to many good good

[thick hamlet]

well while you're here, do u know if the recent tunings changed the priority on MS during exe phase?

[slow saddle]

but the one with reck is just so bad its super sad

[thick kelp]

no

[slow saddle]

PLZ say its exe exe ms

[smoky kayak]

newp

[thick hamlet]

this is something i think most of the community has been looking forward to

[slow saddle]

its not 😭

[balmy kindle]

6s reck is insulting

[thick hamlet]

shame

[smoky kayak]

there was a little bit of shuffling around, but frankly nothing major

[slow saddle]

for a CAPSTONE

it was 6 sec every Fucking WB and now its 6 sec every avatar

[thick hamlet]

SORRY

fixed

[thick kelp]

Shoulda been 30% MS 0% Execute

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, the Execute buff, while impactful for Arms, really undermined the ability for the MS buff to change anything

[thick kelp]

: (

[balmy kindle]

Ikr, u would think it should have some interaction with our main abilities but noooo

[slow saddle]

its just never changed to anything usefull is all

the Rage gain nerf was good

[smoky kayak]

then again, they could have just done +Execute and ignored MS entirely, dropping it down even further so..... 💀

[slow saddle]

true

[thick kelp]

MS to only keep up DW

[slow saddle]

id rather c em remove juggernaut

[thick kelp]

where have I seen this before

[edgy solstice]

might as well at this point

[slow saddle]

and add better baseline execute to make SD rly fun

[edgy solstice]

make execute apply dw too

[slow saddle]

and instead of jugger talent we get clappa from season 3 was it on sd proc as a talent

[smoky kayak]

counterpoint: 6s of Reck every 30-40s was also insane, so it's kind of a hard nail to hit home

[steep osprey]

[smoky kayak]

like you think about it, in Dragonflight, Warlord's Torment was a better Recklessness than Recklessness

[thick kelp]

Reck shoulda just been crit dam + chance and not rage

[edgy solstice]

reck every cs is just iftk 2.0 too so it should've changed

[thick kelp]

woulda fixed alot

[edgy solstice]

just unforch it changed into something bad

[smoky kayak]

just crit dam, no chance

[steep osprey]

Could have just actually been reduced effeciveness

[smoky kayak]

+crit dam, -crit chance

[steep osprey]

instead of 100% rage

it's 50%

[thick hamlet]

i know most don't enjoy the test of might playstyle, but i get the feeling a lot of those changes are a result of trying to keep it from being viable

[thick kelp]

Would still be nice

[thick hamlet]

like nerfing rage gain on reck etc

[smoky kayak]

it's actually still +100 on abilities (unless they fixed it recently, I haven't bothered to check tbh)

[teal fossil]

Think box is saying that it should just be +50

And let it go on cs again

[smoky kayak]

honestly just take all the rage off of it, that's what ruined the ability in the first place

[balmy kindle]

TOM in DF 2 was funny as hell, use IP for dmg boost

[thick hamlet]

didnt hate it that much, reminded me of focus rage

[thick kelp]

Die tom die

the only thing ip shares with focused rage is ogcd ability

ass

gameplay

[edgy solstice]

tom is garbo

[steep osprey]

Yeah that's what I'm saying

make it 50% or less

and on CS

[balmy kindle]

Very ass and annoying with ToM

[steep osprey]

instead they made it less and removed it from CS

talk about overreacting

[edgy solstice]

tom was only sorta interesting during corruption

[vital summit]

we tested our might and now we are mighty

[steep osprey]

I don't like ToM either way

BUt the Warlord's torment nerf was overshot

[slow saddle]

i mean the rage gain reduction

was prob enough

[steep osprey]

exactly

[slow saddle]

and our slowed rage use means less Wbs anyways

so fr give us the crit back

for BIG CLAPPA ! Demos !

[thick hamlet]

holy

[slow saddle]

25% crit holy macaronies

[thick hamlet]

this tom bigotry is unbecoming of warriors

[slow saddle]

IP usage was only nice coz in raid, bad players got free defensive power 😄

like me, i felt the survivability nerf, coz now i HAD TO press it for defense, and fuck that

^_^

my rage goes to DMG

[thick kelp]

Tom could have been nice

if it didnt lead us into

[slow saddle]

what if, it was based on globals ?

[thick kelp]

using ww for no other reason than the rage cost

IP

[slow saddle]

but the main issue with tom is

it works on CS

[edgy solstice]

defensives effortlessly being baked into rotations are a good thing, IP ToM nerf was dumb. change my mind

[slow saddle]

so tom is up when CS is not

[edgy solstice]

tom still garbage tho

[thick kelp]

Yeah it also flatlines our damage

[slow saddle]

yeah which is dogshit

[thick kelp]

since a 27% tom was equal to having Cs up

Only time you got a spike

was in execute

[slow saddle]

tbf only coz we had stupid amounts of rage

[thick kelp]

where you could consistently get around 45% toms

[vital summit]

Why does Dance of Death even exist? it looks like pure garbage waste of a talent point

[slow saddle]

well illusion of choice m8

[thick kelp]

Welcome to arms talents

we have others like that too

SoS

[slow saddle]

class tree

[thick kelp]

Finishing Blow

[edgy solstice]

EB

[slow saddle]

is worse

EB is not bad

as a talent

[edgy solstice]

nah fuck eb

[slow saddle]

its just current tuning its not that good

[steep osprey]

Time to farm bronze for t2

[thick kelp]

If ms did damage we could live in a world of EB + Blord especially on colossus

[slow saddle]

yeah

but as said nerf martial prowess by 50%

[edgy solstice]

every time i see eb, i think of combo's glorious animation

[steep osprey]

What is hte colossus m+ build

[slow saddle]

and buff ms accordingly

Mortal combo was booring passive talent but good dmg and feedback

[thick kelp]

Fishy cook build TM*

it owns

[steep osprey]

Thoughts on this ?

[edgy solstice]

it's good

[steep osprey]

I meant to post this lmao

[edgy solstice]

you basically have 1-3 talent points you can move around wherever

[steep osprey]

thanks

[thick kelp]

full set andy

[steep osprey]

That's not a full set

Gloves, belt and boots

[slow saddle]

ngl i just MISS dreadnaught being op

[steep osprey]

are not full set

[slow saddle]

i know ppl have dreadnaught but i loved it

[edgy solstice]

im in the boat where colo is p much full commit to aoe so yeah

[astral talon]

2nd very rare item in vault in a row

[edgy solstice]

idk about blord tho, outside of db

[astral talon]

this game is actually giving me a sloppy bj to make me happy with vaults lmao

[steep osprey]

Isn't Blord shit

[thick kelp]

no

[edgy solstice]

it's better now but eh

[balmy kindle]

Last week sureki this week cloak did you pay off blizz

[thick kelp]

its the best value point for St

[slow saddle]

i still SAY the fact that arms doesnt take avatar capstones is a fucking joke

[astral talon]

XD

[thick kelp]

even better than sks

[steep osprey]

ok

when send Demo?

[astral talon]

xD

[thick kelp]

if u have DN 6 stacks, with SoA 10 stacks

[edgy solstice]

SoA is the play now for sure

[thick kelp]

DN = cleave op ms

SoA = Cleave ms op

[slow saddle]

soa ?

ah im dumb nwm

but id always take soa for ST dmg

as loss vs gain in aoe seems minor

[thick kelp]

charge tclap roar rava ava+wb cleave ms till 10 stacks demo

Soa rotation

[edgy solstice]

it's like 3% overall aoe now

dn

[slow saddle]

thats sad

i member when it was 11

[thick kelp]

it was 3 % prebuff

might be even 4 now!

[slow saddle]

nah

[edgy solstice]

kinda but 3% overall for a talent is p good

[slow saddle]

but soa bigger

[edgy solstice]

the few keys i did it's still around 3%

[thick kelp]

dont get me wrong

SoA is very ass

as a talent node

[edgy solstice]

soa isn't making overpower do 3% more overall but ya

[slow saddle]

can they aura buff us 6% ! plz

and remove two handed specialization

5% sry

that 1 free talent point would rly help

roar and spear memes would be alive

[steep osprey]

some dummy testing

[teal fossil]

I’m fine if they even aura by 4%

[slow saddle]

i mean FR though, what IF

spear and roar was choice node

[teal fossil]

Because freeing up the node is more dps

[balmy kindle]

Would be good, let us take the stamina node

[slow saddle]

exactly or avatar buff for aoe

[teal fossil]

People will just take more damage

[slow saddle]

imo delete spear

[steep osprey]

@thick kelp You were right about the raid, you can get myth track legs from 2nd boss

[edgy solstice]

our stam node is pretty shit

[slow saddle]

or well choice node with roar

[steep osprey]

I can easily join pugs since i already killed 2nd boss on my main

[slow saddle]

no point having 2

[dim basalt]

wowhead is already updated I assume?

[thick kelp]

Im always right ty

[steep osprey]

I think it's a ring angle

[slow saddle]

we will always take armored to the teeth

[thick kelp]

[steep osprey]

went from 20% tro 26% crit

HOLY

where's the powder

[astral talon]

we still play same talents for ST, right?

[thick kelp]

yeah

[edgy solstice]

not necessarily

[thick kelp]

slayer swaps but

thats it

[edgy solstice]

not at st but at armored

[astral talon]

slayer swaps what?

[steep osprey]

[thick kelp]

cc -> BF and opport -> ff

[steep osprey]

I wanan use finishing lbows

for more execute damage

am i dumb

[edgy solstice]

yes

[steep osprey]

understandable

[fresh spire]

Get that dn shit out of here

Sus

[steep osprey]

so true

DN sucks

SoA>

losing a lot of st for some small aoe

nah son

ok colossus definitely owns

[slow saddle]

sustained 3m aoe on dummies

[steep osprey]

new main

[slow saddle]

being a dummy

i need WAY more crit

23%

when i sim, should i just sim M+ build and c what gems it wants?

i can either put boots in converter and gain 1000 crit

or put helm in converter and gain haste - versa ( haste heavy) vs mastery heavy boe head

any thoughts?

[edgy solstice]

just go ilvl prob

get two crit rings and you're good to go

[young creek]

the st feels pretty mid

[quaint otter]

Just get a mandate

[steep osprey]

do you use cleave in st?

[quaint otter]

If have nothing to press

[slow saddle]

both are ilvl same

😄

[steep osprey]

Slam?

[quaint otter]

Slam cdrs demo

Cleave*

[edgy solstice]

slam is slight gain on 1 target only but ya

i just cleave

[slow saddle]

hmm i could get 1000more crit removing mastery recrafting weapon

hmm

[quaint otter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[edgy solstice]

don't use stacks on cleave during st tho

[young creek]

xd

[quaint otter]

Protip

[slow saddle]

625 though

i cant get myself to playwithout sudden death

but im guessing it and massacre prob rly aint that good in M+ builds for collosus ?

[edgy solstice]

if you run ep, you can go one or the other

running all 3 is rough

unless slayer jugg ofc

[reef glade]

just played colossus for first time ever without knowing what im doing seems cool

very cringe i missed 2 demolishes last boss tho when boss just runs away from you and your channel just stops...

but is there a reason wowhead doesnt take uproar

or is it just not that strong

cuz like 90s roar kinda popped off

[balmy kindle]

Oh you went for torment ?

[reef glade]

think so

[edgy solstice]

the colo build on wowhead isn't updated iirc

[pale valve]

Can we not drop skullsplitter now as arms? that button kinda feels bad to press haha

[reef glade]

just copy pasted wowhead

its blademaster torment mid

or naur

[edgy solstice]

it's mid

but without sks, uproar kinda mid too

[austere hamlet]

No way we’re going ff instead of opportunity now?

[edgy solstice]

ya

need crit tho

if you're low crit, opp prob sims better for you

[austere hamlet]

That’s hype

So we just prio ms every time unless the execute conditions apply?

[atomic mountain]

hey guys i run this tallents in M+10 and wanna do a dmg improof in my allround dmg. my ST is kinda OK on bosses but my AOE does nothing (peak 2,5m dps in packs)

what are you running in 10+ and does playing Colossus is worth? i have a fear of missing ST dmg

[edgy solstice]

pick one, lose the other unforch

colo is prob better overall tho

[atomic mountain]

i never realy played Colo cause it felt to clunky (lvl range) is it like spaming it on cd in pack?

[young creek]

demolish does feel shit in situations where you need to move out of an ability

[edgy solstice]

pretty much yeah. you can build cm stacks on 1st pull of the key and then just send

pray your tank doesn't let your stacks fall off

[atomic mountain]

cm is what?

[edgy solstice]

colossal might

[atomic mountain]

oh lol. kinda read overpowerd XD 100% more dmg?

[reef glade]

50%

[edgy solstice]

10

[reef glade]

and demolish 100%

[edgy solstice]

oh ya

and 10% dmg taken debuff on targets

[reef glade]

if ur walking into a pack with no stacks presumably do you wait till u get 10 stacks b4 ripping demolishj

or just send

for earlier cd

[edgy solstice]

minimal diff. robots say 6 stacks with dn, 10 with soa

[reef glade]

[edgy solstice]

i always build 10 while tank is gathering

[reef glade]

o yea this wowhead build must be old

this got removed like on tww launch no lol

[atomic mountain]

@edgy solstice is it also that we have more surviveability from colo thand from slayer?

[edgy solstice]

2.5% dr

perma

so ya

unforch fury is still way tankier than us

[atomic mountain]

cause it reads so nice in hero talents

also the 12% heal every 1min wehn you dropp under 35%

[atomic mountain]

but i would not ask if i wanna play fury XD i hate fury XD

[edgy solstice]

[atomic mountain]

so also my dmg over all gets boostet cause i might die less in higher keys

[edgy solstice]

better shockwave too

= survivability

[atomic mountain]

you take 1 sec longer or knockup?

[thick kelp]

There is still a bug

that if you have SS up

during ravager

[edgy solstice]

most people go 1 sec but i love the knockup personally

[thick kelp]

you get extra colossal might stacks

[lavish jewel]

is the up for warrior released?

[thick kelp]

like the unhingeds are cleaving but they are not

[reef glade]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-rock-gif-21708339

[slow saddle]

i ask again

[white hedge]

hey em i tried out the new arms colo build and found the buttons to be desynced af
do i save the cds or just send them as they come

[atomic mountain]

and what is so good on knockups?

[slow saddle]

is sd + massacre worse in ST than Battlelord

[steep osprey]

wasn't that fixed

[slow saddle]

and EB

[thick kelp]

no

[edgy solstice]

knockups dont get DR'd so it's reliable cc 100% of the time

[reef glade]

ok so like, from powerful colossus masters, if i have every cd available is there any cd i would rather save for after a demolish, like letting stacks happen with ravager or whatever, or i just pop everything and like sweep the cs/sks into demolish with enough stacks

but just hit demolish like the moment you hit 10 stacks probably yea

so you dont overcap on em too bad

[thick kelp]

Ye just bang it

[edgy solstice]

ya just send

[quick vale]

wowhead builds up to date?

[edgy solstice]

also it's just all sweeping interactions

[atomic mountain]

okay. can you mby send me your Colo build?

[edgy solstice]

sweeping makes thunderclap apply double rends, sweeping gives double cm stacks during unhinged, etc

[kind glade]

Send everything, keep warbreaker/demolieh/ss synced in aoe

[slow saddle]

dno if EB worst

actually they said EB bad no ? but battlelord good st?

so eb into BB or massacre // sd?

[edgy solstice]

EB is lottery

[thick kelp]

EB point is swappable

but I like lottery

[edgy solstice]

if your tank is giga pulling, i would still go EB

[thick kelp]

cleave cleave cleave during mbg gives me dopamine spike

[slow saddle]

but massacre not worth having?

[thick kelp]

you can take it over EB

[slow saddle]

im thinkin a bit more of a ST // aoe balance ish

[thick kelp]

its all the same

[kind glade]

Should be able to open on a pack w/ warbreaker and still clip 10stack demolish on the last few seconds of Cs debuff

[slow saddle]

same dmg ish ?

[thick kelp]

yeah

[slow saddle]

im guessing SD not so much

[thick kelp]

Massacre is really small dps node

[white hedge]

sorry what is SS?

[kind glade]

Sweeping strikes

[slow saddle]

so BB ?

[quick vale]

also lol 2376 rating, 622 iLvl, declined from a +6

[thick kelp]

bb or sks

[edgy solstice]

if you're in a lower ish pug where a tank likely isn't pulling big, i would take mbg/eb and put it in ep/massa/sks

[slow saddle]

its so weird not playing

[thick kelp]

But I would just stick with the build you have on rn

[slow saddle]

arterial blood

but thats what happens if u BUFF Cleave

[atomic mountain]

double rend on 1 mob or do we just hit up to 10 mobs with tc than?

[edgy solstice]

up to 10

[atomic mountain]

okay

[edgy solstice]

but it's niche tbh

[atomic mountain]

bouble rend would be op XD

[edgy solstice]

sweeping during charge is eh

not the worst but yeno

[atomic mountain]

and we play ravager? when do we use it?

[slow saddle]

WHEN EVER WE CAN

send that bitch

but on pull to get demo stacks faster id say

[austere hamlet]

wait, it works like that?

[thick kelp]

dont tell blizzard

🤫

[austere hamlet]

youre joking?

[edgy solstice]

not intentionally i'd imagine

[edgy solstice]

but yes

[boreal quartz]

infinite tier

[steep osprey]

don't tell em what? pulls up notes

[austere hamlet]

insane

[thick kelp]

Juiced Philwarrior

[steep osprey]

aren't you philwar

[torn minnow]

anyone got a link to a good arms M+ build with the new buffs

[edgy solstice]

my vault was the exact same except sikran neck instead of cloak lol

[boreal quartz]

i will loot neck tonight

im so sure

[edgy solstice]

that's what i said about cloak

and then it didnt drop

[boreal quartz]

do i enchant speed or avoid

hm

[edgy solstice]

leech

[boreal quartz]

nah surely not right

for raid

[edgy solstice]

def not speed

[edgy quest]

do we know how soon Wowhead will be updated or im i better off just going through logs ?

[boreal quartz]

to do what

[slow saddle]

A million warrior buffs ...

[edgy solstice]

logs always safer

[slow saddle]

i prob still need to slap on shield to get a key

😛

[nimble yoke]

is wb good again? ppl seem to be running it but it reduces my sim on 5 target count

[steep osprey]

[boreal quartz]

fuck it I go avoidance

[boreal quartz]

havent done this since week 1

since i got the mount

[steep osprey]

IM doing it for 8 bronze currency

[atomic mountain]

@edgy solstice can you send me your colo m+ tallents?

[edgy solstice]

im always sus of avoidance bc it doesn't actually work for majority of aoes

[steep osprey]

and I don't have mount yet

[thick kelp]

@boreal quartz go speed enchant + speed gem

goated

125% ms perma

[edgy solstice]

that was db tho, take 1 out of bb for ep otherwise

[boreal quartz]

i alr sent avoid, ill swap when i swap gem ig

from crit to speed when i upgrade helmet

dude im 3 tier helms in vault already

havent taken 1

[steep osprey]

does mount only drop from the big chest

in awakened

[boreal quartz]

ye

like the end thing u collect

[steep osprey]

yo phi

did u buy t2 yet

[thick kelp]

[boreal quartz]

no i havent done the event yet

[thick kelp]

no need to loot when I farmed mythic boe

[steep osprey]

ok

[boreal quartz]

im getting sikran helm

[latent arrow]

Why battle lord?

[boreal quartz]

rage

[steep osprey]

you don't have to do the new event

[edgy solstice]

it's good now

[steep osprey]

activities in khaz algar give u 8 bronze

each

[edgy solstice]

well, "good"

ngl i hate blord but

not many other good choices

[boreal quartz]

yes and i still dont have 60

[thick kelp]

Time to do weekly sweep

[steep osprey]

I still have al ot more to go through

[thick kelp]

and then run weekly events

buy warrior t2

anddd

shaman t2

[boreal quartz]

i havent done weeklies since delves were fake for gear

ngl

[thick kelp]

Ye same

[steep osprey]

with this

[thick kelp]

the dk "t2"

looks cool

[boreal quartz]

my swoop includes

nm 10 man archavon

nm nighthold 2nd boss

[edgy solstice]

lot of this anni shit looks cool but i cba to do anything but afk in dorn and apply for keys

[boreal quartz]

M EN skip

thats rlly it

[steep osprey]

MEN

why archavon

mount?

[boreal quartz]

gloves

i have the mount x2

[steep osprey]

oof

yeah the mount is easy to get from the new event anyway

daily lockout

[boreal quartz]

again you are acting like i care abt mounts

i only rlly care for tmog

[steep osprey]

maybe i should stop caring about mounts

so i get 2 guldan oens in one week

[boreal quartz]

i got them both within 10 tries or so

[steep osprey]

caring diff

[patent ridge]

is anyone else not having their reap the storm not simming in raidbots?

[steep osprey]

No

[boreal quartz]

its under bs iirc

[steep osprey]

I love the hallowfall weekls

you don't have to do anything

[vital summit]

you have to click keyflame 12 times

[boreal quartz]

only boss that drops the item

• i do it on alts

[edgy solstice]

we wotlk classic again

[steep osprey]

LMAO

[edgy solstice]

3.0 arms warr wintergrasps went hard

[steep osprey]

same??

fuck gloves

[balmy kindle]

Anyone knows how to SIM embellishments

[steep osprey]

prob dont exist

[boreal quartz]

greg has em

[boreal quartz]

add em to topgear

with the + thing

then "craft" the diff items

[balmy kindle]

Tq

[boreal quartz]

NAHHHHHHHHHH

[edgy solstice]

nice gloves

grats

[boreal quartz]

not the warr ones

un4ch

[lilac ice]

are we still slayer m+

[boreal quartz]

ehh

[edgy solstice]

no

but jugg stocks are back up

still wouldn't play it outside of city/grimmy b tho

[nimble yoke]

doesnt this have like abysmal single target

[edgy solstice]

all colo builds have shit st

[nimble yoke]

fair enough lol

[boreal quartz]

even raidbuild xdding

[edgy solstice]

🤏

[boreal quartz]

no wb is just shit if u wanna do CD into next pack

[nimble yoke]

that is

quite depressing

[boreal quartz]

and then you cant ramp cleave with demo

either

[edgy solstice]

even with blunt, colo doesn't love haste as much as slayer does

blord helps a lot with maintaining rage now tho

[astral talon]

fuck blunt

all my intstruments are sharp

[fickle lotus]

True

[steep osprey]

make blunt baseline

or wb

[astral talon]

make demolish replace CS adn give us separate button WB on 90s cd or longer

so its our BIG cd again

[edgy solstice]

it's a good choice node tbh

[steep osprey]

no it isn't

any time you lose 11% ST

to do aoe

is not good

[astral talon]

no shot its 11% ST loss

[edgy solstice]

for slayer maybe

[thick kelp]

for slayer ye

[astral talon]

lmao

colossus > slayer

[lilac ice]

are we better than fury now

[edgy solstice]

[astral talon]

always have been

irl

[steep osprey]

huge

[vital summit]

Why do these even exist ?

what's the point of them?

[steep osprey]

no one is doign the radiant memories

wtf

you get 500 valor for free there

[steep osprey]

To keep you farming

[gusty shadow]

500 just for completing or?

[vital summit]

That's the point of crests

[steep osprey]

yeah something like that

takes 3 mins to do

[boreal quartz]

you have to do shit

[steep osprey]

5 radiant echoes

[edgy solstice]

keep complaining and they'll add a 3rd currency

[boreal quartz]

• you only have the currency

to do them

if you do weeklies

look how conveluted this is

you need to do weeklies for delve keys

[edgy solstice]

i for one think that all myth track upgrades should cost a wow token

[boreal quartz]

do delves for echoes

then do echoes for fligthstones

[vital summit]

Echoes are so unnescessary tbh

[steep osprey]