arms

[kind stag]

But 4th was just shit

[nova marsh]

Sales dropped? MAN IT'S THOSE DAMN FURY WARRIORS AGAIN

[balmy kindle]

like yes they can do amazing burst in 2 globals but that slike their entire niche lol

[kind stag]

Meanwhile my paladin has 30s wake of ashes cd

Dont tell blizz

[balmy kindle]

nerf that and fury is like HMM i do alot of damage until u look at meters

[kind stag]

Pala is my 2nd char and i love ret but damn do they deserve a nerf

[proper atlas]

aite

im pumping

[kind stag]

Imo everything thats "easy" should not be that strong

[nova marsh]

No fuck ret

They should've been the one getting destroyed not us

[kind stag]

Looking at BM huntars too

[nova marsh]

has frost even gotten an actual nerf?

[kind stag]

4 button class i get overralls on keys ill never see on war

[nova marsh]

And no, the most recent one dosen't count cuz they got buffed in the same patch

[kind stag]

This week no?

Or am i wrong

I know for patch they did last minute tuning

[balmy kindle]

the thing is u are good player, most BM hunters cant even match

[nova marsh]

Ye like I said

They were also buffed in the same patch they lost like nothing

[balmy kindle]

your average BM hunter is some guy smoking pot

[kind stag]

Agreed

I never inv hunters

Unless surv

[nova marsh]

Tbh

It's mostly tanks I've seen come to raid high

[balmy kindle]

gotta calm dem nerves

[nova marsh]

it's just

Hunters are bad usually

[balmy kindle]

surv hunters are like arms mains

[kind stag]

Dedicated

[balmy kindle]

MM and surv are usually good since u actually need some competence

[steep osprey]

Survival is so fun rn

[balmy kindle]

BM is the ultimate slack spec

[kind stag]

Surv looks fun too bad i hate hunter

[steep osprey]

Surv sims way above MM and BM after reset

[kind stag]

Surv is insane in m+

[steep osprey]

They also barely lose ST in aoe build

I've been gearing up my survival

[kind stag]

Maybe i should make one

Only survival

I need more melee alts

DH makes me cry and rogue makes me die irl

[nova marsh]

I only play meele

Casters are like

lame

[kind stag]

I cant play caster well unless lock

[steep osprey]

Survival has very consistent damage

[kind stag]

Tho my brother said id be a good fire mage

[steep osprey]

you have a cd but outisde of it you still do loads

because your cds are very short

you can reduce the cd of Wildfire bombs a lot

[kind stag]

I wish survival wasnt a mail wearing pansy

[nova marsh]

I mean

I actually like some of the mail armour, mostly just shaman gear \

Half the hunter gear is crimminal bad thou

[regal wharf]

oh

i just remembered the changes they made on challengers peril and got mad again

😡

[nova marsh]

why

[regal wharf]

its such a shitty fix

literal bandaid fix

[nova marsh]

As per usual

[regal wharf]

like you get 1 wipe, 1 death, and you're back at square 1

[nova marsh]

But yeah I do agree it's just an awful affix

[regal wharf]

if you really want to keep it

change it to 8 seconds or smth

[nova marsh]

Oh look they made it so you can actually wipe once, joy

Tbh I don't see it surviving the season

Tripple the punishment for dying is just ridicious

[minor gust]

col gaming with buffs

[pearl yoke]

4.3M crit on mortal strike

[burnt lake]

these buffs feel juicy

surely there gonna nerf fury next week

[steep osprey]

Why does it say buff tomorrow

are you NA

[minor gust]

I never changed my name yet

yes NA

[slim hazel]

what do you think about this Trinket guys ?

[steep osprey]

Ok, can I see your breakdown?

[minor gust]

only 16 mil demolish on first boss Mists

[pearl yoke]

WTF

[minor gust]

atleast it crit

[steep osprey]

16m crit is a lot lmao

don't think ive seen anyone crit that much aside from enha shamans

[pearl yoke]

thats more than a mandate

[minor gust]

demolish on dmg amps fucks

[steep osprey]

How was yur boss damage

[minor gust]

fucking trash lmao

[spare goblet]

What did you take instead of skull splitter?

[steep osprey]

[minor gust]

mistcaller @steep osprey

[steep osprey]

better than 600k

[minor gust]

I have massacre and MBG

[spare goblet]

googles MBG

[cloud gyro]

this is the juice

can swap blademaster for warlords

[minor gust]

merciless bonegrinder

[cloud gyro]

or bloodborne for exhilarating blows

[quaint otter]

1 crit thing for battlelord maybe

[solar mango]

has anyone tried slayer in m+?

[proper atlas]

is uproar not better

[silk lily]

still learning the rotation but using the old Slayer arms ST from the guides ST wasn't terrible

[cloud gyro]

possibly, should be a slight st gain if played optimally

[halcyon valve]

Normal raid Mandate crits 27k on first boss mists

[nova marsh]

Oh wow

we're already gonna get nerfed

[fossil mantle]

is the patch in for NA?

[nova marsh]

Yes

[dreamy ice]

are we strong now :c

[balmy kindle]

only a 9 key but i think we good

had some 223 ms playing off realm but was still blasting

[halcyon valve]

Juicy

[proper atlas]

wot ilvl

?

[steep osprey]

Can I see boss damage

[balmy kindle]

which one u wanna see unless theres an option to see overall on details

[steep osprey]

I guess first one

And second

Last too l

Lol

[dreamy ice]

ya let me see the second pull dps

and let me see the risen mage dps

[plucky fern]

30% oh my

battlelord back on the menu

[steep osprey]

Lmao

[steep osprey]

Thanks

[balmy kindle]

didnt do that well for amrath but carried third boss

[nova marsh]

don't celebrate yet

[dreamy ice]

did demolish build get buffed or what

[nova marsh]

It's likely a bug or smth, they're probally gonna dial it back to the intended 15

[steep osprey]

So apparently they buffed MS by 30% instead of the intended 15% but it’s most likely unintended

[dreamy ice]

i dont even know what its called lmao

[nova marsh]

Ye so like

[dreamy ice]

what is ms

[nova marsh]

Just....don't get over hyped

Mortal strike

[steep osprey]

Mortal Stroke

[plucky fern]

they dont know arms exists so they will notice in a month maybe

[balmy kindle]

amen to that, i hope we fly under radar

[dreamy ice]

oh mortal stroke

we will be hidden

[balmy kindle]

enhance tempest is doing some ungodly numbers tho

like legit haram levels of dmg (upwards or 4-5m)

[dreamy ice]

like crawling to momma?

[sharp wyvern]

can we get a single patch where everything gets buffed/nerfed as intended ?

is this too much to ask

[steep osprey]

Lightning bolt/ Chain Lightning and Tempest do a lot of damage

But other abilities don’t really

[nova marsh]

Tempest is just

Like that

[quaint otter]

4-5kk is rookie numbers for tempest thing

[nova marsh]

it's been nerfed like 5 times and still does cracked damage

[steep osprey]

And tempest damage depends on dogs rng

[quaint otter]

^

[nova marsh]

I mean

[quaint otter]

each dog is 20%

[balmy kindle]

well i was keeping up wtih him though so i guess we are fine

[nova marsh]

Enhance's spender damage depends on it

[quaint otter]

then read woyeors tier set

[nova marsh]

Oh did you roll all fire? lmao

Get fucked

[quaint otter]

Fire nova

[steep osprey]

Enha is one of the best specs in the game

[dreamy ice]

why cant we have a cool tier set that like sets us ablaze and gives us a mega stroke strike that feasts on people

[nova marsh]

Fire nova is literally just there for MSW gen

[balmy kindle]

monkaW so we gonna get nerf bat ?

[dim gorge]

mind sharing the build for this key?

[steep osprey]

Doubt

[quaint otter]

yep

[balmy kindle]

its only a 9 key

[dim gorge]

ty sir!

[nova marsh]

well, considering blizzards reaction to evreything is just "Oh nerf dps warrior" we probally will get nerfed

Or maybe they'll move on to elemental now

[silk lily]

we can hope

[nova marsh]

Look

all casters deserve to suffer

[minor gust]

12 DB with Jugg Slayer was not clean at all shamans were gettin fucked

[shadow ibex]

30% MS

@fresh spire surely we ignore 4pc finally?

[vast hinge]

we're on par with rets

same dps as ret and frost mage in my 12 dawn

[quaint otter]

Except rets better st

[nova marsh]

and rets are still better

[vast hinge]

but i die to everything

[quaint otter]

And bettr utility

[nova marsh]

Because at least they have blessings

[burnt lake]

slayer feels kinda juicy in keys

[vast hinge]

colossus cleave build is amazing

[nova marsh]

slayer is more rng then fucking enhance

Lmao where'd your jugger stacks go?

[minor gust]

slayer is alright colossus is actually a lot more fun to me in keys

even with negative boss dmg

[thick kelp]

Hoooold

[quaint otter]

Smash ignore pain thingy it helps a lot

[fresh spire]

Surely 30% more damage will like the set more

[shadow ibex]

Please

[fresh spire]

I dunno. Not home just yet to do immediate checks

[shadow ibex]

Plesse let me ignore this fuckin WA 4pc

[fresh spire]

Eb almost playable in colossus

[quaint otter]

[misty bridge]

🙏

[quaint otter]

6 cleaves during bonegrinder is real

[thick kelp]

send override

for 30%ms

[minor gust]

[balmy kindle]

prolly worth considering on mbg builds eh

[hardy olive]

dguys we pumping

lmao

[astral talon]

Ok so

Were keeping 30% right?

Can they nerf slam and keep ms buff?

[balmy kindle]

🙏

[gaunt owl]

we can only keep the buff

if everybody keep their mouth shut

[tacit crystal]

wont happen

[gaunt owl]

thats what rogue did with their bug

[tacit crystal]

its already too late

[astral talon]

Gotta wait for confirmation

[balmy kindle]

its ok tier lists will put us at C or D again

[astral talon]

From Archi

Or bluepost

[balmy kindle]

omg pls let us keep

[dim basalt]

30% wtf hahaha

[sharp wyvern]

does anyone have the dk 3 piece trading post set and can tell me if you can use it on your warr

cause the paladin one works for warr now

[dreamy ice]

Man I made fun of Rett for being braindead

then i played it and its so fucking fun 🥹

got me feelin like

[sharp wyvern]

it do be braindead tho

[fossil thistle]

We warrior now

[dreamy ice]

this u

[fossil thistle]

Kinda sus I prob weight 1/2 as much and 1/2 the age

but almost maybe

[fringe moon]

So the demolish buff was only the 1st 2 hits

[uncut hound]

yea, in the colossus build for m+ cleave ends up being 42%+ your dmg at 5 targets

crazy

[placid siren]

We warrioring

[marble steppe]

is arms good now?

[latent moss]

[balmy kindle]

yes did a nw9 and blasted

[minor gust]

[slim badger]

is slayer the move for M+ or col still good

[minor gust]

both are good

[slim badger]

mhmmmm

[minor gust]

pick your fav

[slim badger]

slayer it is

anyone got an updated build?

[dim basalt]

I assume the undocumented changes are not live on raidbots rn?

[spiral delta]

hmm i wonder if this extra MS buff is gonna fuck with prios and builds

[cinder verge]

are talents mainly the same? for both slayer and colossus?

[icy mulch]

One uses ravager, the other bladestorm.

[cinder verge]

but thats always been the case hasnt it?

[icy mulch]

Yes

[cinder verge]

oh i meant after the buffs not between the two

[icy mulch]

There is very little you would swap around either way.

If you want a little more ST, maybe massacre and EP.

[cinder verge]

do you guys run uproar or blademaster's torment on colossus?

[balmy kindle]

uproar

[fringe moon]

so...Brutal Finish > Culling Cyclone now for ST raid. just ran the sims and it's +0.7% higher

[icy mulch]

Last build was with 45 sec roar. With the nerfs, might change it.

[icy mulch]

About time that talent made sense.

[fringe moon]

tried several other builds with battlelord etc...doesn't sim higher than the existing build + brutal finish

[wanton sierra]

last time i checked blood mallet, the trink that drop from princess was in 4th position, now its top 1 bis trinket on every scenário... and the update date was 26th october (so no tunnin) is this right? the trink got tunned?

[bleak cradle]

don't use bloodmallet

sim yourself

[icy mulch]

I haven't been paying attention to loot tuning.

[uneven yacht]

so how big was the actual overall buff if they overbuffed ms

[wanton sierra]

8 to 9%

[candid pecan]

pretty big

[fringe moon]

probably bigger now with the 30% MS

[uneven yacht]

it was 8-9 without the 30%

[wanton sierra]

30 ms? whats that? i juust arrived from the gym

[nova marsh]

it's a true shame people can't realize tier lists are trashand instead treat them as gospel

[cinder verge]

you call those people sheep

[wanton sierra]

WOOOOOO we got 30% jesus thats right maaaaan!

and execuute off hand fury got nerfed!!! kssssss lol!!

[balmy kindle]

shh we wanna be under the radar

[nova marsh]

Also

[wanton sierra]

i think we have complained so much... we complained like lil whiners

theyve heard!!

[nova marsh]

IS THE SWORD FINALLY COMING TO THE TP

HOLY FUCK

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[visual fern]

We are so back

[balmy kindle]

yes

[dire hinge]

rip execute

[astral talon]

Build

Send

[wanton sierra]

buiuld key and everything

[astral talon]

Fuck execute

[cinder verge]

is this with uproar or blademaster's torment?

[astral talon]

All my homies prefer ms

[steep osprey]

How was boss damage

[astral talon]

Send overall too

[visual fern]

Up

1.9

[cinder verge]

dang we really dont run blademaster's even with giga cleave buffs?

[fringe moon]

I do and 45sec roar

[wanton sierra]

tbh they killed blademaster torment, even the reck one

[visual fern]

Bosses 1/2/3 of kara 10

[cinder verge]

how

[visual fern]

I died on last boss cuz tank and I had same aligned poison and we pixel moved

Then he dispelled himself

[dire hinge]

it might see some play in single target again, but tbd

[steep osprey]

Not bad

[dire hinge]

the reck one, at least

[steep osprey]

Looks good

[wanton sierra]

i see big pvp arms playin the reck one

[steep osprey]

Is first one that high because of the adds

[fringe moon]

I dropped thunderous for uproar

[fading isle]

WE ARE BACK

WE ARE BACK

[steep osprey]

Also, are you guys using demolish immediately

On aoe

[wanton sierra]

ofc, demolish alling perfecly for the adds, massive big hit

[visual fern]

Oh we pulled adds in

[fading isle]

It reminds me of S1 DF Arms

[visual fern]

Like

Bugs

ST ST boss dam

Boss adds

[fading isle]

Slayer or colossus??

[steep osprey]

Do you wait for 10 stacks to send demolish

Garms

[wanton sierra]

ive tested it! we wait til 10 stacks

[visual fern]

CcEAmidFBOBFf5oKuZ7r/WeW7AYYmZMjZMPwsNbLLjZAAAAYwYYMsNMDMWGzMDmZYMjhZYAAAAAAAwMmtxYA2wwYZb2MzywihhZmZshZAWA

[wary raft]

can u link build sir I wish to try arms for the 2nd time this expac

wow

perfect timing

holy

[steep osprey]

That’s cool, Ty

[fading isle]

Not bad

[cloud gyro]

dont u get desynced if you wait for 10 stacks

[candid pecan]

EB, OKAAAY

[wanton sierra]

i mean, not with ravager

[visual fern]

[astral talon]

That's an orgasmic experience

[steep osprey]

Do you send demo immediately on aoe?

[candid pecan]

is it not worth to play blunt instruments for more ST? 🤔

[balmy kindle]

holy

[wanton sierra]

i can hear the sound of it

[balmy kindle]

not for colo in keys

[visual fern]

I'd send Cleave > demo > cleave

Cuz demo still has the AA bug where it resets + a full demo cast is about the same time as cleave CD

[candid pecan]

3rd ping sorry, isnt barbaric training better instead of sidearm?

[visual fern]

LMAO

Yes

[steep osprey]

Hahahah

No way

[visual fern]

LMFAOOOO

@thick kelp I blame you for not catching this

[steep osprey]

Hahahaha

[visual fern]

[steep osprey]

Holy

Lost about 15% cleave damage

[steep osprey]

Keep sandbagging with sidearm

[astral talon]

Sheeeeeesh dude

[steep osprey]

How much do you burst on aoe

[pine drum]

Was Barbaric always 10%? I thought it was 5%

[teal fossil]

it was never 5

i dont think

[pine drum]

im just silly

ig

[thick kelp]

??

this is the ss I link

[visual fern]

Yah

🤏

I have bad eyes

[thick kelp]

do u see

[visual fern]

No

[thick kelp]

the vision

[visual fern]

I don't see

[thick kelp]

tho

bring sidearm

for more boss dam

cuz colo is bad at that

[dire hinge]

sounds like a pebkac

[half junco]

so what happened , did blizz just buff arms by 30% instead of 15%

as in MS buff

[steep osprey]

yeah

[icy mulch]

[golden smelt]

Hopefully they just leave it in if it's a mistake, at least for a week to see whether it is actually too much

[cloud gyro]

nah they already got the intern working on it

expect a hotfix before eu goes up

[glacial moat]

30 percent? Lol.

Let's fucking go

[dapper juniper]

why

swiping strike no animation!!!

[daring heron]

actually unplayable without sweep animation

[balmy kindle]

dont care 30% ms buff

[dapper juniper]

i want feel my ms exc

[strange perch]

[icy mulch]

Now all we need is for SS to be off GCD.

I fucking hate having it not cast when I click it as I'm about to slam a big fat demolish.

[wanton sierra]

my SS has animation

[icy mulch]

So does mine, but gcd seems to clip it some times.

[runic nacelle]

Gotta love those huge demolishes.

[signal coyote]

why not Dreadnaught for M+?

[coral crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-strike-terry-crews-wo-w-warrior-gif-18597900

[icy mulch]

5-7 mil juicy.

[icy mulch]

Cause dreadnought hits like a limp noodle compared to base Overpower.

[wheat lagoon]

Them arms buffs be slappin

[summer quartz]

I've had a demolish hit for 11m, granted it was on the first boss in mists, felt fuckin glorious hahah

[steep osprey]

Guts

[icy mulch]

40-80k to 5 targets in a short sort of cone/line thing. Where overpower can smack for 600k-1mill.

[cloud gyro]

my highest crit is 8mil no amp

[glacial moat]

I hit a 12mil on court

[signal coyote]

yeah but you can sweeping strikes for 2 dreadnaughts at once no?

[glacial moat]

Still living off that dopamine hit

[icy mulch]

Yes, but you can SS an overpower as well.

[cloud gyro]

its good after buffs

both are viable

[signal coyote]

what im saying is i feel like SSing an overpower with dreadnaught is better in 5+ targets than SSing a buffed overpower

boss damage is another thing

[balmy kindle]

Whatever happened to keeping it down

[icy mulch]

60-100k x 10 or
600-1 mill x2 your pick.

[shadow ibex]

Do u want aoe or ST

Same with WB vs BI

[astral talon]

now, demolish or slayer

for ST

[cloud gyro]

thats not it man

[astral talon]

hmmm

[signal coyote]

depends on the dungeon and the week i guess

[shell wharf]

That's not right

[shadow ibex]

Slayer ST for sure

[shell wharf]

Oh you edited it

[astral talon]

they were close already

[signal coyote]

60-100k + 2x the unbuffed overpower x10 you mean

[astral talon]

and now with ms buff being bigger, and colo having more priority on ms

[cloud gyro]

i was doing 1.7 1.8 mil overall in dungeons before buffs

as colo

[latent moss]

HOOOOOOOOOOOLYYYYYYY

[cloud gyro]

this is gonna be nuts tomorrow

[signal coyote]

even more complicated than that now i think about it

[strange perch]

What about Colossus subspec skill timing with other CDs?

[wanton sierra]

i used sw portal and i appeared in the middle of the ocean!!

[icy mulch]

Yup, that's also a thing. The Cavern of time portal.

[hexed parrot]

does the 30% MS buff change our rotation, like press more MS in execute? did our build swap, maybe we play battlelord now?

[astral talon]

we might press ms more in exe phase now

[cloud gyro]

probably yes

[astral talon]

other than that taletns should stay the same

[sick gazelle]

It may change the threshold of # of buffs you need to press it in exec

[languid burrow]

The MS buff kinda feels like the extra amount of fries you get when you order at Five Guys

[cloud gyro]

icon checks out

[half junco]

just prayge you dont wake up tomorrow to it being revert

[latent moss]

30% is unintended

and they are changing it to 15% as they said in the bluepost

[latent moss]

five big guys...

and they...

[boreal quartz]

🍆

@latent moss💦

[radiant lion]

where that at

[boreal quartz]

surely not

[minor gust]

surely

[latent moss]

already confirmed by blizz

[latent moss]

the intended 15% buff

[astral talon]

ok but where

O_O

[latent moss]

on wowhead

[astral talon]

show confirmation

[latent moss]

bluepost

oh u mean

[half junco]

can we revert the MS buff and change it to 30% rampage buff instead

[latent moss]

the 30->15fix

[astral talon]

yes

[languid burrow]

Can we at least keep the extra fries...I mean buff for a day/week?
Think of it like a make a wish

[wanton sierra]

our execute icon changed?

[cloud gyro]

idk man they are just doing random things

[astral talon]

away with you vile animal

shoo shoo

[latent moss]

private sources

[cloud gyro]

source: i made it the fuck up

[wanton sierra]

away scum fury

[latent moss]

(channel hidden in rubble)

[latent moss]

[astral talon]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[radiant lion]

id rather them hotfix that out, before arms catches a nerf

[summer quartz]

that extra 15% is them apologizing to warriors for the weeks of nerfs

[cloud gyro]

everyone in liquid is leveling arms warriors atm this is the new fotm

[summer quartz]

apology accepted.

[cloud gyro]

we need instant hotfix nerf

[latent moss]

btw with 30% ms buff

u would stop caring about 4p as colossus

but with 15%

[flat willow]

[latent moss]

on a side note

exhil blows is good

[boreal quartz]

ms

kms i mean

[kind stag]

[lean geode]

I still have yet to see a blue post linked

[wanton sierra]

mas i was playing chromie scenario and my execute became condemn

[lean geode]

Lot of xddChatting going on and not a lot of sources being cited

[cloud gyro]

we playing crit on avatar now boys

fuck bleeds

[latent moss]

one day colo will play blord and exhil blows

exhil blows is real now tho

[cloud gyro]

yes i swapped bleed to that

[latent moss]

y

[languid burrow]

Who doesn't love slot-machine MS procs

[boreal quartz]

i do

[latent moss]

9.1 arms will come back in form of colossus...

surely..

[lean geode]

Phil can you cook me up a spec that factors in the MS changes

I'm at work rn

[cloud gyro]

just swap bleed to EB / battlelord

[gray steeple]

What's ST simming at now?

[cloud gyro]

and play crit on avatar

[boreal quartz]

i mean the overrides exist

for the 15% one

[grave delta]

with reap and cleave buffs do we go cleave for st in slayer now?

[kind stag]

whats crit on avatar

[thick kelp]

Warlords

[cloud gyro]

the talent beneath avatar

[halcyon breach]

Warlord's Torment

[candid pecan]

this one

[halcyon breach]

Which is absolute piss

[kind stag]

ah taht one

that one sucks

[cloud gyro]

kap

[thick kelp]

You can play this if u enjoy gamba

for a mere 0.4% dps loss

[flat willow]

damn what a great talent

but too much uptime

[thick kelp]

on colossus*

[latent moss]

kill jugg on colossus please...

[flat willow]

I think they should nerf it to 6 seconds of nerfed recklessness every 30 minutes

bring back that classic feeling

[thick kelp]

colossus

doesnt play SB

xD

[latent moss]

but my math says otherwise ()!

[thick kelp]

can prolly sim it ngl

after this 15% buff

(i havnt

[latent moss]

prob negligible anyway

not playing 2x deft

feels like u arent talented into tactician

half the time

[kind stag]

what the difference in ST between barbaric and sidearm?

[cloud gyro]

almost nothing

[cinder verge]

are dreadnaught and strength of arms interchangeable?

[kind stag]

looking at EB BL build on colo, makes sense for barbaric rather

[kind stag]

fatter crits

[flat willow]

mostly you can act like dreadnaught doesn't exist

[thick kelp]

There u go some numbers

[slow saddle]

Worst talent ever

[kind stag]

dreadnaught is bait

[cinder verge]

o ok

[kind stag]

i cant believe i played that talent

and then later i realised the aoe damage is so small lol

[half junco]

wonder if the APL change

[kind stag]

vs SoA giving so much more for boss dmg

[half junco]

will change anything

[slow saddle]

Wtf 30% ms as i dreamt of!!!!

[twilit crater]

So is the 30% buff to MS instead of 15 an intended thing oooor?

[thick kelp]

this is using the apl change

[flat willow]

STOP MENTIONING THE 30% MS

[steep osprey]

Most likely not

[half junco]

ah well its okay then

[slow saddle]

Hopefully!!!

[flat willow]

if we don't mention it blizzard won't know

[slow saddle]

Just nerf everything else pls

[brazen chasm]

Where can I see this ?

[half junco]

i already tweeted Ion if he can revert it and buff Rampage by 30 instead

[slow saddle]

I want fat ms and i cannot lie

[flat willow]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-ban-this-guy-can-we-ban-this-guy-mod-moderator-moderators-gif-4656455223274005082

[lean geode]

Is this colossus?

[thick kelp]

yes

[fossil mantle]

what 30 percent? Nothing to see here, just some theorycrafting mistake, move on people. Look at the new San Layn buffs

[slow saddle]

Well 15% ms is still awesome

[tawdry quail]

Do u think there’s more arms coming in the near future?

[slow saddle]

Now dmg is good. But spec still clunky

[stuck moat]

Yall forget you play a warrior dps expect nerfs if you are not in the bottom half of all dps

[minor gust]

spec is still f tier garbage design

rework in 13.0 will save arms gameplay

[dense prairie]

id settle for bottom half

[cloud gyro]

guys its not a mistake, its just an || undocumented change ||

[dense prairie]

its better than bottom

[halcyon valve]

Disagreed

[cloud gyro]

Disagreed

[slow saddle]

Problem could be fixxed

Make col best spexmc

[lean geode]

Walhe is this overcooked for slayer or? Assuming 30% MS stays

[finite mantle]

toobased bozo

⭐

[slow saddle]

And let demo work like a
Palas ashes

[outer holly]

2 years from now: Rework in 15.0 will save arms gameplay

[thick kelp]

it aint gonna be 30% slayer

but I simmed this

[lean geode]

wym

[burnt lake]

I like how people want to hotfix MS, but this honestly feels like where it should be.

[thick kelp]

30% buff

#arms message

Here is the sims already

[stuck moat]

Blizzard: "30% MS buff was a mistake we have hotfixed it also all dmg nerfed by 40%"

[pearl nymph]

ms stays we are still not better then shamans :))

[tawdry quail]

Sooo u guys not happy with the buffs?

[thick kelp]

The default crrnt colossus build will be the best one

dropping 1x bb for EB is 0.4% loss

[halcyon valve]

What if we had a talent like destruction warlock, where sweeping strikes is a passive that just procs

[thick kelp]

but can highroll

[lean geode]

Oh you mean with the 30% MS buff, colossus is better than slayer?

[thick kelp]

nono

i mean that

the 30%

isnt gonna be live for long

[lean geode]

Oh i see

[cloud gyro]

good bait

[dense prairie]

to the expect

hell ya

[burnt lake]

wait, execute nerf?LOL

[halcyon valve]

No, smaller buff

[astral talon]

ok so confirmed all now, nice

[slow saddle]

Exe nerf before it hits eu

[kind stag]

[minor gust]

[astral talon]

oh well

it is what it is

[slow saddle]

Well 7% is fine

[signal coyote]

its real

[cloud gyro]

damn its real

[lean geode]

For Rashanan, slayer still better bc exe shenanigans, right?

[cloud gyro]

the intern didnt even proofread

[steep osprey]

It’s not like we needed an execute buff lol

Keep it down and buff ms

[slow saddle]

Id take less exe more ms buff ngl

[slow saddle]

Facts

[half junco]

this is what i'm seeing

[slow saddle]

Still good changes

[kind stag]

whatever sims still show we ballin

[steep osprey]

Losing 3% on execute is not gonna do anything lol

[slow saddle]

Shh

[halcyon valve]

Not losing anything

[halcyon valve]

Gaining 7%

[tame pulsar]

Last minute rekt

[slow saddle]

Thats how nerfs start!!!

[dim basalt]

rip

[steep osprey]

Lmao

[gusty oxide]

EH, still a 7% gain

[slow saddle]

Nah

3% loss

We doomed

[steep osprey]

Lmfao

[gusty oxide]

We never had those 10%

so, it's 7% gain

[rapid bronze]

arms owns

[slow saddle]

Or we gonna take more cuts guys!!!!

[inner shore]

Ms 15% Not 30% 😦

[halcyon valve]

[slow saddle]

DOOM and sandbag keys!!!

Its not a buff

Its removing we nerf we got due to prepatch

[halcyon valve]

It only counts as a buff when we get invited to keys

[cinder verge]

its true theyre just undoing previous nerfs

[cloud gyro]

-30% ms -15% op

full circle

[slow saddle]

Facts

[gusty oxide]

as usual with warriors

perform too good at low gear, get bonked hard, get rebuff after full bis week

kek

[slow saddle]

Blizzard not getting our set was sp fuckin op

So we got nerfed

[vague nova]

fury is still ahead and were a bottom tier m+ spec but for once in our lives lets be careful and not buff to much

come the fuck on man

[slow saddle]

Nah arms is mid

[edgy solstice]

It's over bois. Pack it up

[dapper juniper]

guys

raid

to from

they nerf

buff

rage it

[steep osprey]

What

[regal wharf]

?

[slow saddle]

Just remove juggernaut!!!

[rapid bronze]

just make all warrior logs private

[edgy solstice]

bop it

[slow saddle]

Give me sd proc with clappa

[edgy solstice]

twist it

[native obsidian]

Bop it

Pull it

[cloud gyro]

guys
raid
to from
they nerf
buff
rage it

[edgy solstice]

nerf it

[vague nova]

in sims dreadnaut is 7% better in aoe but over 13% worse in ST

thats a lot of power in one node

[finite mantle]

what did they do to my beloved dn

:wah:

[edgy solstice]

dn?

[native obsidian]

Arms for m+?

[slow saddle]

Dn is dead since df

[shadow ibex]

Play it and report your findings back to mods

[native obsidian]

I will make it so

Tyr week 8 farm

[gaunt matrix]

did we just get buffed and nerfed in the same day

[steep osprey]

The MS? The 30% was a mistake so no

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1300863773023928330/image.png?ex=6722634c&is=672111cc&hm=2d9ddd944e3a5bb175dd5bae5ef989e474f6f40b670c0438dab42120549d2e66&

[weary hull]

@visual fern show some dps overall bruh

[thick kelp]

slayer is still ahead on st

[cloud gyro]

i never realised the ravager ms procs eb

[dense prairie]

to bad those shamsn are 30 ilvl lower than you

[slow saddle]

Or blind

[gaunt matrix]

show build

[cloud gyro]

enhas i see are doing 20 mil on aoe pulls

[fading isle]

And we are done

[atomic mountain]

gs? key on what lvl? what talents?

[languid burrow]

The buffs were fraudulent?
We're frauds?

[burnt lake]

yah

[languid burrow]

The check bounced, it's joever

[kind stag]

we fraud af

fury or bust

[minor gust]

just a 10 mists

[slow saddle]

Arms is back in the shed

[fringe moon]

Was execute brought down to 7% for all specs or just fury?

[slow saddle]

No batlelord or eb🥲

[slow saddle]

All

But its good we want ms better than execute

[minor gust]

im trying that next garms posted it and it tingled my berries

[rapid bronze]

Arms owns

[dire hinge]

[fringe moon]

Would’ve rather kept the 10% execute for arms. Not like another tuning pass is coming again

[slow saddle]

Id rather kept tje 30% ms😅

[fringe moon]

That was a mistake to begin with. The 10% execute was not

[thick kelp]

shoulda not buffed exe at aöö

and give us 30% on ms

[gaunt matrix]

should just delete arms as a spec at this rate

[tranquil sundial]

its over

its so over

[slow saddle]

But the mistake was the change we needed

Then nerf martial prowesd

Keep buffin ms

[tough mauve]

meanwhile ele nerfs get reverted

LMFAO

[tranquil sundial]

wait did they keep the buff?

30%

[tough mauve]

insane joke of balancing devs bro

[slow saddle]

No

[tranquil sundial]

ah

its so over

[royal escarp]

the spec is dead so ?

[slow saddle]

Yes

Unsub

[royal escarp]

fuck blizz

[kind stag]

uninstall leave this discord its over

we got buffed but not AS buffed its over

commence doomposting

[fossil quiver]

MS wasn't supposed to be buffed by 15% in the first place?

[kind stag]

it was

not 30% though

15% is intended

[gaunt matrix]

30% is needed

[fringe moon]

Hmm…if the 7% execute was just wording for fury, that’d make sense. Shame if they applied that to arms and prot too.

[fossil quiver]

so the exec buff for arms is less than expected but still more relevant than for fury

[dire hinge]

Still stronger than last week

[odd mist]

Updated notes is saying 10% for arms and 7% for fury

[fringe moon]

There we go. Makes sense.

[kind stag]

i guess it makes sense since fury 2 weapons

so different

[fringe moon]

Yes, they buffed main hand but nerfed offhand, so net buff is only 7 I guess.

[frosty remnant]

colossus in cot was going hard. i was running wb but blunt instruments might have been better

also prot pal slaps

[tribal meteor]

yo if im fury and wanna switch to arms

do i have to gear again for arms

since the stats change

[fossil quiver]

it just critical strike isntead of mastery

haste is good too for arms

[latent moss]

me when i get accused of lying about the 30 to 15 ms change

[tribal meteor]

yeah i gotta switch out all my gear

[latent moss]

colo is crit mastery generally

[untold matrix]

i only have 7% haste bruh

[weary hull]

key lvl sir?

[vocal gust]

Where do yall get this updated balancing info from? I cant seem to find it on WH

[vast hinge]

so i bascially feel like

we have the damage

but cant live

to do high keys

[uneven yacht]

what can't you live

[vast hinge]

any boss in +12 even looks at me funny

[tough mauve]

I mean not interrupting is what will kill you

[vast hinge]

i flop

[uneven yacht]

arms isn't fury but i wouldn't call it squishy

[jagged goblet]

Just +2'd and 11 CoE we're so back boys.

[vast hinge]

NW first boss one shots me

through spell reflect

[tough mauve]

on 12 upwards u gotta wall it

[vast hinge]

after parry already went on cd

[jagged goblet]

You have to die by and spell reflect

[fringe moon]

Use defensive stance too?

[jagged goblet]

If not pop defensive

[tough mauve]

def stance and SR

yeah

[fossil quiver]

what's tankier, fury thane or arms collosus?

[tough mauve]

fury thane

[jagged goblet]

Its honestly good to macro def stance and sr in that fight

[vast hinge]

i thought ignore pain would give 1.7m shield

turns out its like

300k

[tough mauve]

300k

[next sphinx]

So I am confused, are we back?

[vast hinge]

the damage is pretty insane

i can keep up with rets and fdks and frost mages

[fossil quiver]

oh really? I'm surprised, i thought arms was tankier than fury because of more cd

[candid pecan]

O K A Y

[vast hinge]

but im just as squishy as a hunter feels like

[candid pecan]

cant wait for tommorow

[jagged goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-gif-27687064

[vast hinge]

compared to my fdk

[tough mauve]

enrage gives u dam reduction and thane clap gives u 9% dr more permanently basically

[vast hinge]

which can eat marauder frontal cleaves

at +12

[tough mauve]

u can hold it if u know u about to eat some dmg too

[vast hinge]

without defensives

[odd mist]

Blue posts on blizzard official forum

[uneven yacht]

i feel like the buffs were definitely not enough to keep up with them

it may just be a player diff

[next sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/orc-dab-dance-pepe-frog-gif-26096967

[vast hinge]

take the avatar gives -cleave cd talent

instead of droar -45 sec

[gaunt matrix]

Anyone see if Colossus is better then Slayer for M+ or is about the same

[vast hinge]

that avatar talent POPs off

can do 8mil dps in first pull NW +12

[next sphinx]

No clue, Archi hasn't updated the guides yet so I have no clue what to mindlessly parrot

[vast hinge]

since you can sweepin strikes cleave for like 20 seconds straight

with lust up

[kind stag]

yeh but on ST that talent sucks

[uneven yacht]

thats not a lot compared to the good classes

[kind stag]

AoE is not a problem on m+ build its your ST thats lackin and losing roars cd is ouch

[vast hinge]

i mean thats you how pad details

obviously lacking ST is not gonna help time keys

but im jsut playing for dps rn, i dont see arms being viable in high keys anyway

just wayy to squishy

[kind stag]

i dont intend to push any insane keys or rio anyways so im good

[fair topaz]

It feels like ignore pain hardly scaled from dragonflight, it should be way stronger than it is right now

[next sphinx]

Lower keys are where you should be trying to pad harder anyways so you can flex on nerds

[vast hinge]

i was keeping up with rets , fdks, and destro locks (after buff) in 12s

[next sphinx]

Out dpsed an ele shaman in my 6 last week and kept saying THIS IS WHY YOU TAKE THE OFF-META BABBBBBYYYY'

[vast hinge]

but didnt time a single one of the 5-6 keys i did last couple hours

on siege i got one shot by the dot

+slam

[wind vault]

Guys should I use skullspliter on cd or always during sweeping strikes?

[tacit crystal]

cd

but if you can ss sks

🙂

[unreal mountain]

i will have reset at 03:00 in the morning, will be the patch avaible at this time or when the Vault is refreshed at 8 in the morning?

[elder gazelle]

Fury or Arms better now?

[gaunt matrix]

fury

[plucky fern]

yeah that is my thoughts exactly
im kinda hyped and disappointed at the same time
arms can do some real damage now, probably more than fury, but at the same time i realise that it doesnt matter because im already used to playing fury with 7mil hp and like 18% passive dr on top and when i try arms even in 11th i feel like im made of paper

[wind vault]

🥰

[wheat lagoon]

Play whatever you find more fun

[granite swift]

US lads, how are we looking? For Colo m+

[tacit crystal]

playable

like since the beginning of the season

[lilac lava]

the trick was to never have gone fury in the first place

[granite swift]

Sure but are the buffs significant, like how far off are we similar geared rets/dks now

[fossil quiver]

is slayer m+ close to colo?

[gaunt matrix]

Wouldnt BL & EB be good af rn for m+ with slayer buffs etc

[plucky fern]

for colo it should be good for sure, idk about slayer its a dead hero spec for me in keys

[thick kelp]

behind in some keys and ahead in others

[hearty granite]

Build ? Dps details ?

[tranquil sundial]

so arms still got 10

so were back again?

[nimble yoke]

damn that 30% would've been sick lmao

[weak wave]

Get a weapon that fits the armor 😉

[icy mulch]

Holy shit, what a problem to have. Mythic MoK or Mythic Skarmorak shard?

[shadow ibex]

Shard

[half junco]

such a cool set

[shadow ibex]

Lots of adds die

[shadow ibex]

So it's relevant

https://tenor.com/view/knight-rider-kitt-david-hasselhoff-the-hoff-serie-tv-gif-7202134

[subtle ravine]

Wait am I stupid? Why do we use Slam to fill the rotation when Rend is the same Rage cost and the initial damage on Rend is more?

Rend: (124.581% Attack power)
Slam: (116.725% Attack Power)

[strong tinsel]

how does arms feel after changes ? is it catching up to fury ?

[wanton sierra]

the weap fits i think

[shadow ibex]

Nightrider ahh helmet

[fossil quiver]

wih colo cleave why does the animation is fucked? it doesnt cleave in front of me

[subtle ravine]

Does reseting the bleed cause a DPS dip?

[shadow ibex]

Slam is more wowhead tool tips don't show all the stuff that buffs it

It's buffed by class tree somewhere

[frigid cipher]

Slam has a lot more modifiers affecting it

[shadow ibex]

Someone test sweeping tclap btw

I need to know if it's fixed every Tuesday

[subtle ravine]

Did you take Barbaric Training on this? Just wondeing what the modifiers are

[nimble yoke]

surprised the builds have had no updates

[thick kelp]

why

the buffs included nothing that would affect builds

[frigid cipher]

Yea i have barbaric on. This is without it

[nimble yoke]

i mean i thought maybe buffs to MS would have BL be the better option compared to SkS for example

if MS is stronger then things that reset it or w/e might be stronger even in aoe

that kinda thing

[quaint otter]

beat by ret

[jagged goblet]

LMAO NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[nimble yoke]

unsurprising

[jagged goblet]

But yea that dude finished 1.8 he was a pumper

[teal fossil]

There’s even hidden modifiers in game

[real spade]

Slam has a 80% aura buff from Arms.

[teal fossil]

Just look at the in game tooltip to compare

[frigid cipher]

Arms also gets rank 2 and 3 of slam as you level. 60% and 50% increases

[dull siren]

Slam good button

@boreal quartz

[subtle ravine]

That's annoying fair enough though. Thought I was brain-blasting. 'Just replace Slam with Rend 5Head'

Ah well

[boreal quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1026579199655419974/1198382784176201869/IubzkROb.gif

[tranquil sundial]

we're so back

thats how it feels

[dull siren]

im so tired mdi prac today we procced brain damage and just laughed for 3hours

[boreal quartz]

i tried to pug a key

[boreal quartz]

tuesday night gaming

it was AWFUL

[thick kelp]

sorry to hear this

[boreal quartz]

oh i forgot to send u my enha was tmy

[dull siren]

xdd bro mdi being +9's in 2keys is the biggest meme

[boreal quartz]

do u still need

[dull siren]

no

[thick kelp]

+9??

[dull siren]

ye Siege / City of Threads

r +9's

[thick kelp]

:omega

[boreal quartz]

LOL#

[subtle ravine]

And there it is friends, the ugly truth

[dull siren]

City will be sub 12min by good teams

likely on +9

was like 12:40 on time trials

on +10

[thick kelp]

Echo sub 11 City

owait

[dull siren]

Arms already b4 buffs on some keys doin 2.8/3mil in MDI overall

wonder what I will do tomorrow

[boreal quartz]

sub 10 min dungeon at all

[thick kelp]

massive dam

[boreal quartz]

3.3-3.6 max

but man

[thick kelp]

slayer jugg will be silly

[boreal quartz]

SV arms surely

[dull siren]

Dawnbreaker is worst dungeon literally nothin special you can do

[thick kelp]

how many minibosses u play

[burnt lake]

im confused. was the 30% ever hit live? or was it a typo and we always had 15%?

[minor gust]

SV col arms feels so fun

[dull siren]

All 3, You just chain ontop of em.
50% Boss HP / 50% Dmg

isn't very fast

[thick kelp]

saad

[dull siren]

Dawn is +10

[fossil quiver]

anyone got a weakaura for defensive stance telling me when it is active? I tried most of them but none works

[dull siren]

You want text or icon

[fossil quiver]

whatever really

[nimble yoke]

fury still simming higher in M+ aoe and st and is tankier

[jagged goblet]

be happy arms got anything lmao

[dull siren]

If you want the cooldown stuff it's a different one I have next to it

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@fossil quiver

[nimble yoke]

no we can't be happy with getting something mediocre we need to cry endlessly like balance druids, mages, and the like

[jagged goblet]

lmao there it is

[nimble yoke]

?

[dull siren]

? xdd

[fossil quiver]

thanks bro it's working

[nimble yoke]

?

double confused

[dull siren]

Ur take is awful

about fury simmin etc

[nimble yoke]

uh

thats not a take

[fossil quiver]

we're really that far behind with colo?

[nimble yoke]

my fury sims higher in m+ build in both st and aoe and fury is also a tankier spec