arms

[thorn pelican]

what site is that that lets u check how much the retch is doing

:feelsdankman

[plucky fern]

its called not even close

[thorn pelican]

tyty

[plucky fern]

did db as arms yesterday as well and outdamaged fdk, was wondering if it was just a bad player or nerfs really hit them hard

still not sure

[astral talon]

id say bad player xd

but maybe with good dungs ill start closing in on 2mil after buffs

xD

[plucky fern]

ele shaman did gap us both by 200k tho

[astral talon]

lmao

[plucky fern]

well im on very high copium for next patch, arms might really do some real numbers in m+ with this 20% cleave buff

frost dks beware

new king is rising

if only bizzard threw a bit of stamina into arms i'd be sold complelety

[nimble yoke]

collateral dmg is still the best talent ever bro

[plucky fern]

like valor and victory could give 10% stam instead of DBTS cdr

[astral talon]

this back on the menu

and most likely EB

[plucky fern]

spec would feel way better

[astral talon]

instead of sks

for more cleave

this will look juicy as fuck

[nimble yoke]

i wish i could get a full buffed ava + smash cleave with mbg

but i dont think u can

unless u play for it which is troll

[plucky fern]

had decent results with this build this week, and with coming changes it will do even more
still not sold on torment tbh, but i just feel like i wanted some real burst on large packs, NW first pull for example

and torment delivers

kinda

[raw pelican]

what are you secondary stats?

[nimble yoke]

no mbg?

[plucky fern]

mbg instead of sks

wrong image

[nimble yoke]

o lol

[plucky fern]

that was lastest sim that i ran for no reason

[nimble yoke]

is BLord necessary?

seems like its not that good in m+ maybe im trippin

[plucky fern]

again, not sure
it sims bad
but it plays very good

kinda solves some clunkiness in st rotation

[nimble yoke]

tbh im happy to wait until people more intelligent than me figure out what's best to play

if it changes next week

[full furnace]

no dreadnought ?

[plucky fern]

its very weak

[raw pelican]

what were you secondary stats looking like? Did you get as much crit as possible or haste, etc?

[plucky fern]

and you dont need more aoe with such build

with torment mbg

its just enough

and SoA gives a lot of st

[plucky fern]

crit>haste>mastery=vers

about 33 crit if i remember correctly

not in the game atm

[raw pelican]

ty

[plucky fern]

arms stats are a mystery
sim might even tell you to mastery>haste

but you will hate your life

without some decent haste

yeah if i sim pure aoe it says to equip more mastery, but for st its haste

[raw pelican]

yeah i try to balance crit and haste. I know crit is top, but its nice to get an idea of how much crit ppl are running with

[boreal quartz]

Just sim

[nimble yoke]

i got some psycho sims i have 16k haste and its still telling me to pump haste over mastery

[plucky fern]

if you are simming ST i think it will always prio haste

try 8 targets

[nimble yoke]

im running both

i do 5 targets

but yea

[full furnace]

played slayer for so long, colossus feels weird now

[dire hinge]

it's cozy after a bit

[plucky fern]

i cant get to slayer arms after i got used to colossus

(in m+)

[golden smelt]

Colossus actually becomes fun when you get used to it and you learn when pressing demolish will kill you

[kind stag]

looks interesting

im in a build hell rn unsure what to run lmao

on col at least

execute on colo is in a weird place where it deals ok damage but i feel like i lose decent aoe if i take massacre and exec precision

[balmy kindle]

same here haste and crit is still better

[forest dove]

so for a col build, is using what's on wowhead still cool? just noticing a lot of the info is out of data.. they still say slayer is ahead of col

[gaunt matrix]

Aim for 35% crit, and try to have your haste around 20-28%. Mastery should be fine + mark

At least that works for me and I been pulling overall 1.7 mil in M+ with decent groups

[forest dove]

does anyone have a good plater profile that shows DW and Rend ?

[plucky fern]

remember that execute also gives colossal might stacks

and it works with ss

it helps resetting demolish before next pack a lot

[kind stag]

yaya

[plucky fern]

but yeah i agree that exe talents still feel wierd, but so is the whole arms spec tree

always have to decide between pure st and pure aoe talents

hard to find balance

but massacre + ep is the highest simming st talents i believe

and you have to pick some st so i went with that

you can probably get away with just picking EP without massacre tho

[kind stag]

i just run with this

[plucky fern]

yeah thats the most common build, cant go wrong with that

but its also the clunkiest to play

thats why im experimenting with other options

[modest carbon]

SKS just feels so bad. It's another global, that makes you have to press other globals (rend) more often

sure it's good, feels shit

[kind stag]

they should make it so your rend gets consumed

for big dmg

[balmy cradle]

what about eb instead of sks

[fresh tide]

the old design was so much better

You have to refresh it every single time either way, may as well get it over with at the start

[plucky fern]

eb should be very competitive after the patch, when ms and cleave will do more damage

for now before patch its aoe talent only

but its fun as fuck

pressing cleave 3 times in a row

the dophamine

also hope that after ms buff battlelord will be a good talent again

rotation just feels better when you have that

(i hate slam)

[fresh spire]

probs would drop SKS for BL next week

on sims it was higher in ST in aoe builds

and for aoe

since bleeds didnt get buffed next week sks fell a little. though in raw st builds it is still king

[plucky fern]

bleeds already feel lackluster

st its like less than 20% of your dps combined even with all the talents

aoe depends of targets but cleave alone is still more

than all 3 bleeds combined

[slow saddle]

Sks = rage

[cold vigil]

with the slayer cleave build i tried hekili on the cleave dummies just to see what rotation it'd give me and it prioritizes TC over MS in between the OP>OP>Cleave casts

isn't MS better than TC(when you have rend applied) for the 20% chance to trigger Reap the storm?

also tier set?

my question is- for the fillers between your main casts in Cleave rotation, is it better to use MS or TC? (on Slayer cleave build)

[quaint otter]

pick eb then

[random ibex]

for m+ what builds are people generally using?

slayer or colossus?

[cold vigil]

you can use either but i think slayer is more popular

[golden smelt]

Colossus is better in M+ imo

[cold vigil]

slayer is easier to use i think

[golden smelt]

It feels better to have CDs more regularly when bouncing between packs, even without WB demolish hits like a truck

[cold vigil]

i mean what cds are you missing with slayer? BS refunds pretty fast from execute and the rest you have anger management for

[wintry scroll]

guys how much of a dps loss not sticking to this line

[forest dove]

Outside of SS, when rend doesn’t need to be refreshed, they’re both very low prio, but thunderclap I think is just a bit higher prio

[wintry scroll]

does it say like MS with exec and lethal or Ms when either of those are at 2 stacks

[forest dove]

The former

[cold vigil]

yeah that's what i was saying. you already have rend applied anyway, plus MS has higher rage spend. isn't that better for resetting OP and the 20% chance for Reaping storm?

[forest dove]

I think in practice I normally hit MS

In that situation

[halcyon valve]

bare minimum 2 executioners precision during execute, or youre just trolling

[forest dove]

Guides say TC

[cold vigil]

is it a huge difference anyway?

[wintry scroll]

yea that i know

but i wonder if it's a dps loss if i just send Ms with exec stacs

[halcyon valve]

a lot of the top dps logs dont have 2 lethal blows stack on every single mortal strike

sending it at 1 stack is alright

[wintry scroll]

so i play exactly how i played in DF s4

[weak rain]

Exe just does more dmg on slayer with stacked jugg

[cold vigil]

what's lethal blow?

[halcyon valve]

4 set

[cold vigil]

ok

[wintry scroll]

so exe spam over MS even if i have 2 exec stacks

[halcyon valve]

theres a lot of variance depending on your crits

(this is all at 15 juggernaut stacks)

mortal strike hits big

[weak rain]

you have twice as much crits on it, ofc

[halcyon valve]

yeah exactly

[weak rain]

2-2-2 MS can hit for like 3+ mil rn

I think it can be 4mil easily after the next reset

[halcyon valve]

much more than 3 mil if you have cooldowns and some kind of stat boost trinket active

[weak rain]

also prio might change in exe phase to standart "send MS with 2 exe stacks", because exe is getting buffed by 10%, MS is by 15%

[halcyon valve]

youll probably get to see 4+ mil crits on mortal strike after the patch if youre high enough ilvl

[weak rain]

But it'll still be overpower with opportunist>ms

both are getting buffed by 15%

[halcyon valve]

only if you play slayer

[lone fable]

is there a confirmed list of known bugs for warriors?

[astral yarrow]

Archi keeps one

[spice prism]

Hi, does anyone have rotation guides for ARMS Colossus in mythic plus?

[plucky flicker]

So 4p buff is more important than OP stacks ?

Or you prep 2x OP, 2x EP and 2x 4p to send MS in Execute phase

[thick hamlet]

im late to the party, but just recently got queen's mandate

do i use on pull, and then on cd outside of my own cds, ya?

[silk spade]

Are you using double on use

[thick hamlet]

nope

arakara+queen

[thick kelp]

then

on pull

and outside of avatar and cs

Trinket damage does get amped by the debuff aplied by demolish when colossus and by overwhelmed when slayer so if u wanna game it more fit it inside those times

[silk spade]

[thick kelp]

@sage badge Ele owns

[steep osprey]

For now*

[astral talon]

ok soooooo

demolish broken on ovinax kinda

good ms

[sage badge]

We're getting nerfed on Tuesday, what are you doing

[astral talon]

decently good fps

[steep osprey]

I forgot deswind went ele

F man

Sorry for your loss

[astral talon]

after demolish there's like 2-3 freeze lmao

[steep osprey]

Are you coming back to warrior now

[steep osprey]

you're doing too much damage so they gotta stop you with freezes

[astral talon]

bruh

[sage badge]

Yeah, colossus arms angle

[thick kelp]

Playstyle owns**

[steep osprey]

baseg

[astral talon]

ok

so I can't play colossus on ovinax

impossible

[reef glade]

...what

[astral talon]

it is literally broken

and doesn't work

I get 2-10s freeze

and animation just loops

[steep osprey]

Something about getting screen freezes after using Demolish lol

[astral talon]

uploading a clip

ill send in a sec xD

[reef glade]

perhaps uh... dont play the worst dps spec + hero talent combination on the boss

i hear demolish is large on silken court

ja slamma

[astral talon]

last time I played i was consistently doing around 3mil dps on progress

so i will stick to it xD

[reef glade]

holy

[astral talon]

https://streamable.com/6yg1js

WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT!?

[reef glade]

tbh not sure what i was lookin at, looked like 1 second of lag, unless you mean it like, replayed twice? or was that edited like that

maybe looks diff recorded than in game but idk

at like :07 or so kinda see the lag yea

[astral talon]

ye but i got good ms and decent fps

fuck knows why it locks me in

used demolish at 02

can use my skills again at 10th second

xD

[reef glade]

oh that

ok yea i can see that

ur not like screen frozen

just cant hit abilities

[astral talon]

nope

[reef glade]

wack

o im assuming thats demolish that just boosted you 30m damage in 1 second from like 09 to 10

it like hit reg'd lol

[astral talon]

🙂

ok we have issues with roots too

roots finish

and we still have them

nah this is unreal

xD

i don't even thnk its any kind of bug

just servers

[austere hamlet]

dude im having this exact issue on ovinax right now

only demolish fucks it

everything else runs smooth

[astral talon]

my guildies have issues with their things too

[hollow latch]

arms colossus playable??

post-buffs

[austere hamlet]

not on ovinax

[minor gust]

Slayer for ovinax always being able to root dispell yourself is to op

[astral talon]

doesnt change anything really

but taht freeze

is unreal

xD

[thick kelp]

Very playable

[steep osprey]

vvery human design

[thick hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[astral talon]

we're getting to like 50% with those lags

and im usually around 2.6mil dps at that point

sometimes higher sometimes lower

[austere hamlet]

what build are you running on ovinax atm?

[astral talon]

https://streamable.com/2c3ou6

[thick kelp]

no EP kinda questionable ngl

for a raid boss

[tepid citrus]

After buffs. COL arms might be the vibe

[minor gust]

Slayer also got massive buffs like col

[thick kelp]

Yeah but who the fuck wants to press bladestorm

[tepid citrus]

COL already did great aoe for me in high keys. ST was do doo though

[minor gust]

I like pressing fury BS

arms bladestorm is a snoozefest

[steep osprey]

When unhol nerf

[astral talon]

he played frost, i played fury

we both swapped

we both do better

[steep osprey]

HOLY

[astral talon]

this dmg was after another 10s fucking freeze lmao

[summer heath]

How much % buff you think tomorrow will arms be ?

[candid plover]

@summer heath Look at the updates-war-within channel.

[fresh spire]

🤦‍♂️

[candid plover]

its there

[fresh spire]

#updates-midnight

[summer heath]

So slayer gets 9% buffs both ST and AOE nicee

[slow saddle]

Man why buff slayer more than col🥲

Give col the thane treatmenr

[vague nova]

They’re buffed pretty close to the same aren’t they

[nova marsh]

becuase they literally killed slayer

[summer heath]

for lower apm slayer or col ?

[astral talon]

same shit

[weak rain]

Idk, I think slayer should wreck in st, colo should'be aoe chad

which is basically what will it look like next reset

[slow saddle]

If col m+ build has decent st

Im happy

[astral talon]

it already does 😄

[slow saddle]

Nah vs fury thane

It aint close

[astral talon]

tru

i mean, i usually have around 800k+ on st bosses

that need moving

11 dawnbreaker 1st boss

and rashanan

[slow saddle]

But thane atm is 900k no?

Pre buffs

[weak rain]

I am 632 and my dmg as colo really depends on st

like it can be 700 or 1mil

[slow saddle]

At 624.

[weak rain]

I think after the next reset, it will be 800k at the worst scenario, which is decent imo

[slow saddle]

Ye not horrid

Ill try it

[astral talon]

those are bosses that move a lot tho

1st boss grim batol

12

[slow saddle]

Worse than ret🥲

[weak rain]

add around 6% after the reset

[slow saddle]

Ret has bad st

According to ret

Ret fucking slapa

[weak rain]

ofc you are not going to do arcane st dmg kekw

[astral talon]

yep

after buffs

that would be 1mil ST

pure ST

and of course big aoe buffs

😄

[halcyon valve]

accidentally ran a dungeon with bloodsurge talented, but in details it says 0 wasted rage, so uhh, im ok with that

[deft osprey]

Is arms saved with these upcoming buffs?

[astral talon]

yes

[slow saddle]

Not rly

Buff ms more

Then rotation is saved

[summer heath]

Possible to play arms with gnome squencer addon ?

[misty bridge]

if you want to play with sequence addon, you might as well just go ahead and grab hekili

[summer heath]

idk prob wait till tomorrow to decide between Arms or Shadow priest for rest of this expansion (want to have easier time pvp and also pve content like solo delves and such)

[bright whale]

Warrior has such little utility, it is easier to weave in imo. Shockwave and Stormbolt, and Shouts are about it. Simple rotation, not bloated at all.

[summer heath]

I see so easier than spriest and pvp getting buffed as well

[astral talon]

fucking hell i hope game works properly next week

0 chance to progress ovinax with freezes and infinite roots XD

[weak rain]

It might be that for slayer exe exe->ms with 2 stacks will be back

because ms is getting buffed by 15%, exe only by 10%

[slow saddle]

Buff ms 10% more nerf op🤣

[burnt lake]

are we thinking that slayer will be the play for M+? or Colossus

Im thinking colossus might still have the better overall

esp with cleave being so juicy next reset

[boreal quartz]

it didnt die

[bright whale]

Woot Dracthyr Arms Warrior time

[river ridge]

Big sadge

[summer heath]

This conviced me to make an Arms Warrior

[coarse musk]

the superiority complex ranged mains got is actually insane

ahhh yes let me spam my casts away from danger where i can clearly see what is going on around my character

but oh no i have to press multiple defensive?

[astral talon]

Cant progress it

[boreal quartz]

if you troll you do no damage on all specs

[astral talon]

Hahahaha

Cuz of fucking desyncs and bugs

[summer heath]

wydm ?

[bright whale]

I find arm's looks cooler as Dracthyr xD

[sacred zodiac]

idk arms on court might genuinely be the hardest thing to optimize that ive played in a while

[boreal quartz]

i mean if you are shit

you will find ways to do shit dam

[boreal quartz]

sounds cool

[weak rain]

colo

[sacred zodiac]

hard as in the unfun way

[boreal quartz]

hard coks

[astral talon]

https://tenor.com/view/stay-hard-gif-9435228376562620662

[silk spade]

eisenwaren

[bright whale]

finally having fun as dracthyr arms than mage

[obtuse copper]

Did you try press SS and then Execute?

[quaint otter]

[silk spade]

sup king

u playing this season?

[obtuse copper]

No I am just mining

I hecking LOVE Bismuth and Null Stones

[quaint otter]

millionaire?

[obtuse copper]

Nah broke after Aagy made me invest all my gold into enchanting in DF..

[vivid sky]

any change in execute prio after buffs hit on tuesday?

[finite mantle]

uheldigt

[obtuse copper]

Omg Maidge

[finite mantle]

omg reverie

[obtuse copper]

Are you playing again or

[finite mantle]

I am a monk player

not sure why I found a class with less balancing than woyer

Also I’m playing in Europe land

[obtuse copper]

Holy moly

That's huge

I thought WW was looking good during beta

[sacred zodiac]

silence

[obtuse copper]

Did they fuck it up or

[bright whale]

lvl 11>15 one TW dungeon

[devout pewter]

good old blizz scaling

you could solo these dungeons tbh 😄

[bright whale]

as TW no way ?

[tidal hemlock]

I saw the same thing but a shamy lvl 12 vs 2 shamys lvl 80, I really dont k'now what happened lmao

[nova marsh]

Que in with a party of 5 friends

Take the que, have them leave or afk

See what's possible

[bright whale]

Ooooo

[nova marsh]

Probally afk

Cuz if evreyone else leaves it might break the instance or worse open the que

[bright whale]

Mining + Engineering good ?

[nova marsh]

Engineering only downside is the embellishments suck

[bright whale]

I see

[serene hollow]

we thinking any potential rotation changes to slayer single target?

[summer elbow]

how ahead is slayer st compared to colo on m+?

[teal fossil]

pretty far ahead

[summer elbow]

does this looks correct?

[quartz canopy]

is this on an m+ run?

Feel like your cleave should be way higher if so

[summer elbow]

was a tier 8 delve

[quartz canopy]

it's hard to gauge just from that tbh

[summer elbow]

why is ravager better than BS?

[quartz canopy]

Colossus doesn't have the same talents that buff Bladestorm like slayer, and when you are in Bladestorm, you can't cast anything and build up your stacks of Colossal Might for Demolish.

So Ravager is better, at least that's my understanding, someone else may have more to add

[shadow ibex]

you build demo stacks during BS with unhinged

[quartz canopy]

yeah but you also build them with Ravager right? And you can still cast during it

[shadow ibex]

if you sweeping before you can get more and technically BS would finish faster and get those free stacks faster

since ravager takes like 9 seconds to finish

[edgy solstice]

tech yeah but you're also losing gcds towards AM

[vernal crypt]

i thought unhinged procs didnt benefit from SS anymore?

[shadow ibex]

i just hate ravager

[winter python]

is arms better in M+ now?

[quartz canopy]

and also, during bladestorm you can't cast cleave which is pretty strong

[vernal crypt]

yeah colo cleave is giga

[quartz canopy]

Next reset, sure, still won't be top but should be more playable

[edgy solstice]

unhinged doesn't sweep ms but you still get double demo stacks as if it is

[quartz canopy]

I did not know that lol

that's funny

[vernal crypt]

that's so odd lol

[shadow ibex]

its p cool

[edgy solstice]

you apply double the rends too fwiw

niche tho

[shadow ibex]

hope its never fixed

[edgy solstice]

i've barely done any keys at all since d4 came out but might be time to get on the grind again

gotta test a few builds too. jugg stocks are back up

[shadow ibex]

my eyebrows will raise if i can play colo without rav in st

make BL buff OP dmg again

[fair topaz]

Your damage breakdown is hard to judge because you seem to have logged both colossus and slayer damage

[next sphinx]

damn mages are right warriors do need some nerfs.

[balmy kindle]

Lol as someone who has ww alt, WW is like a buff or 2 from being really good.

Even without conduit bug, class has quite nice damage profile without being reliant on cooldowns.

Heck ATM they are above arms pre buffs, this is not factoring monk having alot more utility as well

[naive pawn]

as a monk main I concur i'm just in here cuz of my dracy warrior alt

[forest dove]

so do I always hold demolish for SS?

[nova marsh]

The more I try other classes

The More I like not being reliant on CDs

[balmy kindle]

No problem lol before the buffs were announced, pretty depressing my 609 monk has more ST over my 622 war whilst having almost the same aoe profile

[zealous hemlock]

I'm also a monk main and my arms alt makes me realize how good I have it

[nova marsh]

It's hilarious cuz

[balmy kindle]

Of course WW is mid ATM but really it's better than catching strays

[nova marsh]

My enhance alt is making me realize how bad warr is

[nova marsh]

Blizz really did just go open fire on fury and shot arms to death in the crossfire

[balmy kindle]

Well thank goodness after Tuesday I can tell my guildies that arms is fine

[livid cloak]

I did heroic on colossus tonight

Was pretty fun lol

Council was awesome with colossus

[balmy kindle]

When demolish lines up with the charge and you hit a fat 6m crit

Still progging, but I am not going back to slayer for sure

[regal socket]

is arms viable in really high keys?

[livid cloak]

I got my first 99s of the expansion on colossus

Max before was a 98 as slayer

[livid cloak]

Define really high keys

[regal socket]

12+

or 10+

[livid cloak]

10s and 11s absolutely

Rn 12s are tough on arms but possible

Next week should make a big difference

[regal socket]

bc of defesnives mainly?

[livid cloak]

No, just output is behind other classes

[regal socket]

ive heard ass rogue is ridiculous right now

[livid cloak]

Defense on 12s is np

[regal socket]

im not sure what to play honestly i think im quitting mage

they ruined the class

on tuesday

[livid cloak]

But 11s are very easy/doable on arms

Mage has 3 specs, you'll be fine

[regal socket]

i dont mean power wise i just mean they made it unfun

(:

[livid cloak]

Most mage players are shit though so

Idk

[balmy kindle]

For me it's stamina and hp, arms has lesser margin of error compared to fury ( going into 10s my self now )

[livid cloak]

Idk i have 0 issue staying alive in 11s

[balmy kindle]

Like I need to aggressively stance dance whilst fury I just afk

[livid cloak]

Like not even close

[balmy kindle]

Maybe it's ilevel, only 622 heee which brings me to about 5.8m after priest buff

[livid cloak]

Yeah that's low

[balmy kindle]

Still prefer arms though, fury dmg profile is yikes

[livid cloak]

I'm 629, makes a diff

[balmy kindle]

D stance and Colo helps a ton tho

Was kind of lazy before but been using the one button macro alot

[regal socket]

im like 619 on my mage and ive done 10s and 11s but the playstyle is so stupid now

its just spam orb slings

boring as hell

i just hit 80 on my warrior tho

[manic stirrup]

what macro

[regal socket]

stance dance with 1 button

its just an if condition for ur stnaces

[balmy kindle]

1 button d stance battle stance

[manic stirrup]

oh yerah

[balmy kindle]

Different role though arcane is a beast on boss damage, guildie be pumping

[regal socket]

thats true it really is crazy

but the aoe playstyle is zzzzzz now

[marsh copper]

quick q- for execute phase do we just spam execute until no rage, and then overpower? only ms to rend, or ms with both 2x overpower stacks and 2x execute stacks

like do we always ms with both those two conditions met, even if rend doesn't need refreshing

[sick gazelle]

yes

[marsh copper]

ty 🙂

[sick gazelle]

you want to use your overpower procs too

[marsh copper]

oh, opportunist?

[sick gazelle]

yea

[marsh copper]

ohh ok i forgot that was a thing on slayer

[dire hinge]

you dont care about OP stacks, you want 2x Execute stacks and 2x Tier stacks

[marsh copper]

okie, you'll build the stacks naturally via opportunist too

[marsh copper]

oh also, we cleave at 3+ targets right?

[minor gust]

2

[marsh copper]

no ss+ms on 2t?

[minor gust]

you press both

[civic isle]

Hey hroth do you recall the name of the wa that tracks all the current MS amplifiers?

Searching atm

[dire hinge]

not off the top of my head, i baked my own

can try searching for wago.io here in the arms channel, might pop up though

[civic isle]

Ahh true cheers legend

[marsh copper]

right, but we prio cleave on 2+ targets?

[minor gust]

no

[marsh copper]

ok i'm confused, you said cleave on 2+ or is cleave just the filler on 2+?

sorry i guess what i mean is, what do we prio overpower stacks on in 2+ targets

[runic tundra]

I'm guessing your speaking about slayer?

[marsh copper]

yeah trying slayer out right now

[dire hinge]

so Martial Prowess (Overpower buff) isn't really considered often in the Arms rotation. Yes, we want to consume it, but our priority/rotation isn't often impacted by its presence.

[runic tundra]

Wait have I been missing out by not going cleave on Court?

[dire hinge]

if you are in 2-target with Slayer (assuming Fervor of Battle is talented), then you'll use Cleave as your main damaging ability behind Mortal Strike. You do want to prioritize Mortal Strike still, but you Cleave if MS is on cooldown.

[runic tundra]

My god I've been playing that fight all wrong

[dire hinge]

just for transparency, here's the "sweep" APL

[marsh copper]

gotcha

[marsh copper]

ahh gotcha, i forgot about FoB

[dire hinge]

yeah, Slam is boring but still hits pretty hard, so 2+ Target cleaves getting you a free Slam (which is also swept, so 2 free slams) ends up being pretty spiffy

[marsh copper]

right, so you just ms when you can't cleave assuming overpower is on cd?

[dire hinge]

almost

[marsh copper]

or prio ms over overpowers with no proc

[dire hinge]

so the way that reads is:

1. Overpower if you have Opportunist (or you're using Dreadnaught)
2. Mortal Strike
3. Cleave
4. Execute
5. Overpower without any buffs available

it's a priority list, so cast the highest thing available (ie: that is **not **a "sequential" list)

[marsh copper]

gotcha

thanks for the help 😎

[dire hinge]

of course!

it's a little easier for my brain to read it like:
MS > Cleave > Execute > Overpower
except if you have Opportunist, then you prioritize Overpower over all of that

[silk spade]

are we gonna play FF after reset?

surely right

[dire hinge]

which FF are you refering to?

[nova marsh]

If it's 14 no

[silk spade]

fierce followthrough

[nova marsh]

Ahhhh

[silk spade]

i cant think of another FF

[nova marsh]

...maybe

I think sims need to be updated before we have concerte info

Kinda doubt it thou

[dire hinge]

Final Fantasy (ie: play a different game)

[dire hinge]

i haven't seen it used in any sims so far for what it's worth

[silk spade]

hmm

[nova marsh]

.tbh follow through just seems...

Kinda bad overall

[dire hinge]

poking around, Tmy did have a few sims with it that I see, so it's possible though

[silk spade]

why

[balmy kindle]

I can see it being tried out for slayer, probably good if your crit is really high

[random wasp]

is arms better than fury on silken court?

[slow saddle]

Yes, but thane claps

So again play what u like

[random wasp]

will arms still go slayer the whole raid even after the next round of buffs?

[sly venture]

Arms is theoretically better on 1-2 targets always. But in practice that statement doesnt work.

[silent flame]

How much are we getting buffed % wise

[random wasp]

yea i usually do better as arms than fury in the pure st encounters of the tier

@silent flame #updates-midnight

[slow saddle]

I guess the fights u want to play fury u could go col

Fury just lives shit so much better

Passive arms defense gone down a lot since we dont spam ip 🤣

[sly venture]

Also Fury is just better when bosses gives us downtime because burst

[random wasp]

yeah i mained arms most of my wow career but in Amirdrassil the gap in survivability made me swap to fury...

[slow saddle]

That as well as long as fury arent forced back into am🤣

[random wasp]

but i miss arms lol

[slow saddle]

Lel same

And slayer doesnt feel right on arms

Its not bad numbers wise

[random wasp]

slayer feels better on fury for sure

[slow saddle]

Its more if u play slayer fury switch to arms u rly feel it

[silent flame]

Awesome! Still new to Ames and don’t know how right I’m playing it but I’m finding it very fun

[balmy kindle]

What, you don't like your dmg being god to dog on the SD+ slayer mark procs you get ?

[silent flame]

Haven’t tried collosus yet myself

Seems cool

[balmy kindle]

Honestly Colo can sim very closely to slayer depending on your gear ( pre buffs), so you can try it if you like

[silent flame]

Fair

My gear is super low tho

It’s my 2nd alt

Haha

Main has 628, Druid 619 and war 601,

[slow saddle]

Fr imagine if they removed juggernaut

And exe just clapped

So now u werent praying to 2 gods but only 1

[balmy kindle]

I really love hate jugg myself, love because you get to have fun at 35%.

Hate because your opener esp as slayer varies so much

Also any mechanics / downtime= bye bye parses

[slow saddle]

U do realize if no jug

Baseline exe would be that much stronget

[balmy kindle]

Yes

[silk spade]

delete jugg

PLEASE

[silent flame]

Jugs the thing that makes exe buff exe right

[balmy kindle]

Yes but it's one of the most annoying things in the game since you are punished disproportionately for downtime

Losing 10+ stacks on exe phase

[silent flame]

Oh ew

Tbh I read through all the talents for arms build but I just forgot them

How long does the buff last for

[balmy kindle]

15s or 20s idk it's pretty short

[paper ledge]

if we got 50% over haste(maybe S2). using test of might maybe.

[silent flame]

Ah ok, considering you say you can get 10 stacks, I assume adding one resets the timer? So it’s different from ironfur or TTK

[marble steppe]

guys i want to start playing arms but all my gear is fury

like no crit at all

will it feel like shit?

[paper ledge]

change ring. neck. :p

[balmy kindle]

No crit kind blows as arms.

I have the opposite problem as you, no mastery

[silent flame]

You need what, mass crit and haste for arms?

Ah ok nvm

[balmy kindle]

When I play fury I hit like kittens

[marble steppe]

got the very rare necklace though

could farm rings

how much crit % is everyone rolling if theyre gearing towards that

just to have an idea

[paper ledge]

neck is sikran. its fine. change 1 ring for arms

[marble steppe]

im going through pages and pages of item restoration, wish there was a search functionality baked into it lol

[balmy kindle]

Simming is better but if you are running slayer you should be fine since haste is god on slayer

Colo tends to favour crit mastery but likes haste as well.

I personally have 34% crit but I play Colo so..

[silent flame]

Yea it’s crit haste by wowheads guide right

But always sim first

[balmy kindle]

Yeah but arms secondaries are kinda wacky

Just sim yourself

[silent flame]

Ah alright

I’m just used to Assa stat prio cause that’s what I mainly play X)

[balmy kindle]

But as some users here will say, haste is still best because low haste arms

Robot tells you get more mastery, but low haste arms feels bad

[silent flame]

God all this talk makes me wanna hear and run keys w arms

ATM I do 1 10 a week at the very min so I get weekly myth

[balmy kindle]

I mean Colo is nice and I am at 2338 now, can't wait for Tuesday

[marble steppe]

16% crit

[silent flame]

Just get some friends to help me with it :p
Due to me being low ilevel

[balmy kindle]

I mean I have 13% mastery as arms and 21% as fury

The average fury has like 44% ++ ?

[marble steppe]

yeah im over 50

[silent flame]

Old asf

Jkjk

[balmy kindle]

This is not factoring skarmoraks or mark of khandagros too

[marble steppe]

xdd

[silent flame]

P sure on my Assa I have like 55% mast and about 30% crit ish? So it would be nice for arms…. If you ignore me having more avoidance than haste XD

[balmy kindle]

Thing is Colo arms and slayer arms both want haste to a point tho

No haste = rage starved more

[kind stag]

Crit haste is safe for both unless you minmaxxin

[balmy kindle]

Yeap, it's what I do myself

[kind stag]

More haste feels comfy though

Sikran neck carries imo

[balmy kindle]

Prayge for heroic vault knowing blizzard, they will give me something better on my 10 vault

[vale cradle]

I like crit make number big

[civic path]

do you guys use a lot Slam ?

feel like it's not worth pressing it

[balmy kindle]

Only to be proc tactician for op

In keys esp since battlelord is opted

For raids yes you might end up using alot of slam

[civic path]

okay

[vale cradle]

In raid you have so much rage just mash it when other buttons on cd

And rend doesnt need to be reapplied

Dont press in execute

[solid sentinel]

Hey guys,
Name the craziest thing about arms

[marble steppe]

at 31% baseline haste i never go under 90% rage

[balmy kindle]

Hitting a 10 stacks warbreaker demolish and gapping others in meters

Until they come back

[marble steppe]

getting hit by frontal cleave in NW while channeling demolish

[balmy kindle]

DW I have killed myself limit testing with demo more than I like

[vital summit]

Does demolish last hit actually exist?

[marble steppe]

wasnt there a crit haste cloak from a dungeon?

[drifting apex]

nop but you can change any cloack to haste/crit with the "item set transformer" (dont know the name of this in english)

[marble steppe]

oh the catalyst

[drifting apex]

yeah

[marble steppe]

nice ty

[drifting apex]

or craft it ^^

[torpid herald]

What yo guys prio when SS on cd, Cleave>Overwhelm>MS ?

[thick kelp]

cleave overpower tclap ms

[quaint otter]

its crit mastery there iirc

[drifting apex]

i see crit haste for me

[quaint otter]

🤔

[pale bay]

anyone knows whats the overall damage buff % that arms will get on reset day

[astral yarrow]

#updates-midnight

[silent flame]

Also sorry if it’s dumb to ask but tldr on prio for aoe? I’ve read the guide played a bit but idk if I’m doing it right

I just assume you make sure you don’t overcap rage and use your CDs making sure you cleave as a prio (cds still ahead of it)

[astral yarrow]

prio depends on build and whether Sweep is up or not, so you need to be a little more specific

[silent flame]

Just in general, running the aoe build on wowhead for slayer.

[fresh spire]

Rage is a non factor until execute for the most part so don't worry about capping

[silent flame]

Alr

And exe in ST is just
Ex Ex Op Op MS right

How would it fit into aoe

[quasi torrent]

no

[thick kelp]

exe in st is:
SkS if below 90 rage
MS if 2x EP & 2x LB (Tierset)
OP if below 85 rage and 2stacks of OP and no 2x MP
Execute
OP

[silent flame]

What’s SKS again

[thick kelp]

skullsplitter

[silent flame]

Ah ok

I just assumed what I did beforehand because of the debuff exe provides sorry

[thick kelp]

dont think or assume

read a guide from wowhead

or maxroll

[silent flame]

I did

And I was a bit confused

Because I find the prio lists hard to read

[fresh spire]

You never really care for martial prowess stacks

Just a bi product of weaving overpowers when rage starving

[thick kelp]

Prio list is just

Go up and down

can I press this? no - Next

[silent flame]

Yes but I’m more used to a rota over a prio

[boreal quartz]

Well that's not how the game works

Rotational examples includes stuff like

Cuz you didnt proc tier

Cuz ur not lucky

[daring heron]

:arms:

[silent flame]

Lmao
Arms is just the execute spec tbf X)
Fury and execute

[boreal quartz]

I mean

Exe gameplay has been better

Previously

[astral yarrow]

went through an entire rage bar of slam/ms for an OP reset on kyveza

[silent flame]

Yea I’ve heard
I remember people liking condemn, but that’s just smth I’ve heard from friends

[astral yarrow]

spent 8 years pressing execute on court for 2 LB stacks

warrior is straight up aids rn

[boreal quartz]

Condemn was DOGSHIT

S1 dogshit

S4 TOM HORSESHIT

Evil gameplay

[silent flame]

Oh lmao

[boreal quartz]

Depends who you ask

[daring heron]

people have bad taste

[astral yarrow]

getting 0 mfe stacks on queen so BS isnt up for either cocoon spawn

[boreal quartz]

But s1 with signet was sooooooo

Horribly stupid

[astral yarrow]

leave p1 at 1.1mil dps

[boreal quartz]

I also rlly like not cdring bs for yanks

[silent flame]

Also
Haven’t played warrior at all (besides a tiny amount of port) until now so the abilities and stuff we have now is all I know about arms war

Just being mainly playing rogue since I started

[astral yarrow]

3 stacks mfe -> execute gets parried cause you have to bait blades in front of boss

🙈

SD doesnt proc for BS CDR in time

🙂

had a bad night yesterday, how could you tell

[silent flame]

:(

[daring heron]

we spent 4 hours rekilling court so that wasnt great either

think we literally failed final dispels 8 times

[astral yarrow]

we had a 30 pull kyveza -> 60 pull court reclear the week before ansurek kill

i feel you

[daring heron]

8 kills just thrown away

[silent flame]

I had a p good one last night
P casual guild started mythic and got first 2 bosses so we all got vault now :)

[boreal quartz]

I mean im just a red execute hater

Loads of ppl loved it cuz they are weird

[silent flame]

Ah fairs

[boreal quartz]

But ngl it's mainly ppl who dont always play arms

[silent flame]

Fairs

[boreal quartz]

Who enjoyed it

[silent flame]

I’m just playing arms for fun atm, it’s my 2nd alt so it’s not something I’m super focusing on

Plus I have both uni and a job atm so I can only rlly focus a ton on one character

[thick kelp]

Arms should not be execute spec

Cursed by a video

of a FURY

warrior

[fresh spire]

Condemn was fun for one reset

Real and true

[thick kelp]

fuck fury

[fresh spire]

Arms needs to return to SOD days

[astral yarrow]

this was the night we finally killed it on that reclear

[fresh spire]

[astral yarrow]

every purple is dispel wipe

[thick kelp]

horror

[astral yarrow]

rocked up next week and oneshot it and i obviously forgot to push my cd timings in note

[boreal quartz]

Man we spent 30 on brood yesterday and got to 4% itno wipe twice

Cuz we missed egg first P3 set

[boreal quartz]

The cool thing with arms is rn, especially if you play keys you can play loads of builds

[silent flame]

Also you all mythic raider people? Or just heroic

[boreal quartz]

Mythic

[thick kelp]

Mystic bench warmer here

[silent flame]

Ah I’m just heroic, maybe mythic soon if guild continues :D

I just like playing with friends at night so difficulty isn’t that big as long as I can have fun and it isn’t too overly easy

[balmy kindle]

Heroic here too, too old for my mythic

[astral yarrow]

how do you miss the first set where you have the most time lol

[boreal quartz]

I HAVE NO IDEA MAAAN

We skip 2nd cuz dps is enough

But the weird pops and shit bricked it again

[thick kelp]

During bloodlust no mechanic can be done correctly

[boreal quartz]

I have the 2nd kick on worm FURTHEST away from boss

I have 2 sec to leap to narnia in CDs

And no one else wants to do the kick cba

[astral yarrow]

but you have sooooooooooooooooo much time to mark the right eggs and its not like you get a lot of different markers lol

[boreal quartz]

[boreal quartz]

Marks are there

Raiders arent lmao

[thick kelp]

But muh Bloooodlust

Muh daaaamn

[steep osprey]

I was watching that stream, what the fuck was happening there

How is court harder after you killed it last week

[silent flame]

Reminds me, I have another guild I met from doing pug heroic on an alt, it’s really funny cause every time I’m there I make them feel old (some of their characters are older than me KEK)

[astral yarrow]

yeah but arent you assigned to the almost same marker every time

at least i am

orange man

not presidential candidate though

[boreal quartz]

Idk we swapped 1 person

And im now getting rainbow marks

Ive had 4 diff ones in p2

For the same set

[astral yarrow]

we have a clip of some guy going "are you just braindead during lust or?"

[thick kelp]

Real

I think most people are

[astral yarrow]

WA boss man cba

[steep osprey]

me when lust

[boreal quartz]

Ye

[thick kelp]

LOOOOSTIIING

[boreal quartz]

Everything is was

[boreal quartz]

Famous gingi blalah

[silent flame]

Best way to lust is having your sham miss click it between packs in m+

[balmy kindle]

Very hard to commit to a mythic guild schedule and prep, Imma stick with aotc and m+

[steep osprey]

that moment when pugs lust right after your burst

[thick kelp]

CLassic

Pug lust at :25

[boreal quartz]

Ye raid pugs love lusting 10 seconds in

[boreal quartz]

Shamoon fixes

[silent flame]

Me too tbh
I nearly timed my first 12 with a pug the other day

[boreal quartz]

Inshallah

[steep osprey]

then im resorting to spamming /s with lust

gg

[thick kelp]

I love my shaman

I can lust for my opener

on time

[steep osprey]

lmao

[silent flame]

People stacked on tank in last CoT boss and died to balls

[steep osprey]

can't rely on others

[thick kelp]

Pwave dogs stormstrike lust ascendance

[steep osprey]

are you playing ele

[silent flame]

Also how good is arms war survivability? I’m used to rogue

[thick kelp]

Enha previously

[steep osprey]

Windstrike Doom winds

[thick kelp]

dipping into ele now

[boreal quartz]

If you use ur shit it's good

[steep osprey]

WIND STRIKE

WIND STRIKE

WINDSTRIKE

[boreal quartz]

Especially defensive stance is feint on steroids

Works against everything

[steep osprey]

I love windstrike

[thick kelp]

ele playstyle fun

[silent flame]

Yea

[thick kelp]

especially with the eogs or whatever talent

[steep osprey]

edogs

[silent flame]

And feint is already on steroids

So that makes defensive stance steroids squared

[boreal quartz]

Yepp

[boreal quartz]

Also spell reflect

[steep osprey]

Echoes of the great sundering

[boreal quartz]

And parry

[thick kelp]

God I get hard when I do single target to do proppar aoe

[steep osprey]

Unfortunately ele getting killed next week

F

in chat

[boreal quartz]

And good healing with IV and fbv

[thick kelp]

noway its getting killed

people are 1000%

over reacting

same with Enha nerfs

Just bringing it inline with other spcs

[silent flame]

Ok so
I’m v new to non tank war

But is one of the worst feelings moving around to check if a add is casting at you, pressing spell reflect then it gets kicked like 2 milliseconds before going off

[astral yarrow]

i think the ST nerfs might be a little much for ele

[steep osprey]

top kek

[thick kelp]

no longer will I crank 1.7mil overall on my 615 enha

[astral yarrow]

but the aoe killing is good

[silent flame]

I remember playing prot and going through every single SR in the dungeon

[chilly isle]

my guy why are you shortening "pretty" to "p" but not any other word to their first letter?

p c g s m a g f 2 b so w all g v n

[silent flame]

Was so fun

[steep osprey]

Yeah AoE killing is fine but the ST nerfs are stupid

considering ele isn't even doing that great st anyways

[thick kelp]

Next they will learn about changing talents and apl to adjust for a new prio and talent sets

[silent flame]

A m b I s h s t m t s e t r

[thick kelp]

So its less

[astral yarrow]

its just a whoopsie along with the fix to ascendance

but popping ascendance and sending a million meatballs into one target was cool

[thick kelp]

its like the colossus buffs for us

[steep osprey]

ascendance should have been 125%

not 100%

[thick kelp]

looks like 8.6% buff

but its more

[boreal quartz]

S4 ele was fuckin wicked

[thick kelp]

🤫

[boreal quartz]

Fire ele

[boreal quartz]

MEWING EMOJI HOLY

Dude colossus on brood surely legit... It works on HC....

[silent flame]

Also
Sorry if people know this but you can spell ref the tentacles on last boss of GB

[boreal quartz]

It's known

[steep osprey]

i didn't know until yday

[thick kelp]

it surely works

[boreal quartz]

We have a spreadsheet for reflects

[silent flame]

Ah ok

[thick kelp]

Like no joke

[boreal quartz]

I mean itll rail stuff since u always sweep cleave demo

And u retain roar rava

[thick kelp]

yeap

[silent flame]

How does it work tho,
Do you just like cut the tentacles down like trees

[thick kelp]

and demo is same cd basically as fury BS

so u cna use same timers

[boreal quartz]

Ye

Ur actually similar burst speed too

Since 1 demo = 1 bs channel

[thick kelp]

Ye

[boreal quartz]

And u might sneak some in cuz CD is shorter

Like Demo Cs into boss

[thick kelp]

pre SS , roar wb demo

[steep osprey]

I love demolish

[boreal quartz]

Wb??

[thick kelp]

Surely

[boreal quartz]

Surely cleave and keep bi

Mastery is massive bro

[thick kelp]

i dont believe in Blunt

for colosssu

for that fight

[boreal quartz]

Low taper fade meme massive too

[thick kelp]

Cleave forsure

[boreal quartz]

I mean youll do actually zero st

Xd

[steep osprey]

when are we gettingi WB as a seperate button

[thick kelp]

nono

Blunt aint that big for colossus

[steep osprey]

We need WB as a seperate buttonn

[solar quarry]

Anyone have any Princess Kyveza tech they can share? I just watched critcakes PoV, so I know about SR during intermission, and I found out paladins can BoP the queensbane dot too, any other little wisdom nuggets?

[steep osprey]

and not tied to CS

[boreal quartz]

Eh

[chilly isle]

Hey guys im starting Court prog today and with the incoming buffs i think the gap between fury and arms might get big enough where i would want to play arms on some fights, especially Court.

I have a 639 weapon already and a 636 ascension embellish crafted weapon. Should i craft crit embellishments or stick with the Ascension weapon?

[astral talon]

Just like legion

Then we replace op with cs

Give it mastery scaling

And have it reset cd just like op with tactician

[chilly isle]

I know i could sim myself but im thinking long term

[boreal quartz]

Id honestly use the ascend

[steep osprey]

I don't like losing ST by picking WB

[solar quarry]

Fury is being buffed too and it’s still good on Court due to the adds

[boreal quartz]

Boss has to die not just adds

[thick kelp]

non dps check boss

go fury

learn to dance

[chilly isle]

We have more than enough greedy little add murderers

[solar quarry]

Is arms going to be a ST pumper though? Or just not garbage

[chilly isle]

Like a second fury warrior and an insane monk

[thick kelp]

just not garbage

[solar quarry]

9% is a nice swing but I don’t think it’ll put us too will it?

[thick kelp]

Well this is us pre buff

[chilly isle]

Surely sweeping strikes will increase that further

[thick kelp]

so you can imagine 9% more

[chilly isle]

If we are looking at boss dmg

Especially p3 boss dmg with the execute buffs

[steep osprey]

That's gotta be like under fury right

the buff

[thick kelp]

Yeah around there

only reason fury is there btw

[cyan oriole]

what graph is that from arms already did pretty good st in raid it was mostly m+ that was its issue

[thick kelp]

is cuz they added adds

[steep osprey]

yeah ik

[astral talon]

Check boss dmg

[thick kelp]

back to rashanan

[steep osprey]

and fury is going even further up

lol

[astral talon]

Rashanan counting adds again is a mad scam

[thick kelp]

its damage overall 95th %

[astral talon]

😦

[steep osprey]

spoken like a spec that doesn't have burst aoe

[astral talon]

Im a firm believer i boss priority damage

[steep osprey]

removing adds from rash

was a fucking scam

not this

[astral yarrow]

its not like its a big boss dps loss holding bs a little for adds

[astral talon]

Its a small dps loss

On boss

[steep osprey]

can't arms do bs for adds

idk lol

[astral yarrow]

thank god raid isnt just full of kyveza bosses

[boreal quartz]

box when hes clueless but has to yap

[thick kelp]

idk just demolish

[steep osprey]

i'm joking lol

I know arms has very bad burst aoe

especially on mobs that last 3 seconds

[cyan oriole]

its just bad compared to furys

[solar quarry]

Just run FoB and whirlwind the adds and slam boss easy ST + AoE

[steep osprey]

[thick kelp]

i wish

but ww does piss

[steep osprey]

just demolish the adds

xdd