arms

[grand idol]

I smoked the last fashion event at the celebration. Got 18 votes $$

[weak rain]

I mean if you like it, its ok, I was always drooling at velves, so I am more than satisfied, especially when they are at the top dps-wise

[nova marsh]

That's so little in the grand scheme of things

[summer heath]

So arm > frost mage for pve and pvp (warmode on)

[nova marsh]

We can beat mages?

Since when?

[twin estuary]

When they are afk

[nova marsh]

Well we can beat anyone whoose afk

[tranquil sundial]

does it get anything

i won the mount mania but didnt get me shit 😦

[raven ridge]

As colossus in M+... is it worth it to immediately throw a cleave after charge in to apply deep wounds then start thunder clap -> roar -> ravager -> ava/trinket/warbreaker -> cleave -> demolish

trying to figure out optimal opener

so many GCD's to get everything rolling though

[grand idol]

nah, just need to participate for the meta achievement

[shadow ibex]

When the theme is horde v alliance and you have BFA s1 elite set

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-logan-wolverine-vs-movie-gif-276187882323966281

[weak rain]

fr, bfa s1 pvp elite set is so good

[runic tartan]

warbreaker applies wounds

so it would be wasted gcd

[summer elbow]

Hi with the recent buffs will be fury the way for m+ or arms is better? Thanks

[nova marsh]

it's still probally fury

Fury has better MT

So buffing that...just gives it better MT

[summer elbow]

But they buffed a lot of our skills like cleave and ms

[nova marsh]

yes

But they...also buffed fury?

Either way, it's really speculation. wait till we have concerate data from next week

[astral talon]

Fury m+, arms st

[thorn pelican]

can you use the void elf tp while demolishing

[astral talon]

Raid, both

[nova marsh]

Even if you can, it's fairly likely you could break demo

[drifting apex]

This is the maxroll opener AOE, Who is able to explain to me why cast a cleave out of burst/buff? And why roar before Ava & WB ? Ty a lot.

[fathom shoal]

do get deep wounds rolling

to

and you roar before AVA + WB because the inital hit does tiny dmg

u want to buff the dots with ava wb

[quartz canopy]

It also helps get your stacks of Colossal Might so you can get 10 for your first Demolish hit

[vital rune]

Is there a WA for the 4set MS usage?

For my smooth brain

[tacit crystal]

just make one

[drifting apex]

Ty

[drifting apex]

Ty

[fathom shoal]

np

[zenith dagger]

I forget what it's called but there's one on wago that tracks the stacks for ur tier set, executioner precision, and martial prowess

https://wago.io/GIlgKIFKH

[stray mango]

so, now, whats stronger colossus or slayer?

[runic tundra]

In raid slayer in plus colo

In this coming reset ofc

[hazy flower]

Not sure about m+ slayer also got big buffs

Its tbd or just play whichever you want

[covert island]

is there a big dps difference between arms and fury?

[runic tartan]

check https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

latest post gives u exact numbers

[covert island]

ah cool so not a big difference

thane does a lot more for furry than slayer arms hmm

[runic tartan]

slayer doesnt do well in m+ sadly

but i guess the difference is not huge so u prob could

[covert island]

hmm i wanted to do arms but i also want to do high keys and would hate toe slow people down lol

[runic tundra]

Colossus trucks for arms

[runic tartan]

for me its mostly about how u do the dmg tbh

arms has a lot of build up and a lot to do before dmg rolls

fury is just easier, faster and unfortunately also better

[vital rune]

Thanks homie

[covert island]

i might do arms colossus

[heady hill]

Last update to the arms simc APL was a month ago, so I'm assuming rotation doesn't change at all with these buffs? We just hit harder?

[covert island]

iv been playin slayer for so long now getting into colossus is going to be hard lol

[vague nova]

I know balancing has been mid at best overall. But the trade off in m+ between slayer and colo is really balanced.The difference in ST is roughly the same but opposite in AOE

Talents too

[brisk flower]

Since opportunist nerf and ms buff we might prio ms over op again but archi probably cooking up apl changes if any.

[covert island]

can arms still do high keys effectivly as fury?

[wild kernel]

Yes

[covert island]

man i liked playing slayer it felt better than colossus does lol

[forest dove]

Yea I like slayer a lot better, and I’m doing pretty fuckin well in keys with it… is colossus really that far ahead? I didn’t realize people thought slayer was such trash

I haven’t even tried col

[covert island]

i might stay slayer. slayer feels like teh balance between AOE and single target isint as bad as colossus to me is

like i can hit some good aoe in colossus but my ST is HORRIBLE

[wild kernel]

Colossus is really good at just blowing up packs. I like running slayer if we need more of an ST specialist

[wanton sierra]

I didn’t liked colossus at first, but then i tried and im having fun… i feel i do more damage as colossus than slayer on m+

[forest dove]

Yeah I’m still doing pretty awesome aoe as slayer, but I don’t have much to compare it to since I haven’t tried col

I’ll have to give it a shot

I’ll sim and check it out

Does the proority change much other than putting in demolish?

[wild kernel]

Ravager before colo

[forest dove]

Ahh cool, SS before demolish too?

[wild kernel]

Yeah, SS only effects the first 2 hits of demolish tho

[forest dove]

I can read the guide I suppose haha

Okay cooool

[wild kernel]

But it gives you like a half second more to get colossal might stacks off of ravager

[forest dove]

That’s cool, I’ll have to give it a try

I’m only like 608 right now anyways

[wild kernel]

I like to cleave or MS before sending demolish for the CM stacks as well but I’m not sure if it is higher dps overall

[forest dove]

But been doing a bit over a mil overall in keys as slayer

[wild kernel]

But for a single pack you get a meatier demolish if starting from 0CM

[forest dove]

Ahhh okay

[wild kernel]

Yeah you should see higher on colo

[forest dove]

Hell yeah!

[wild kernel]

I still like to run slayer sometimes like in tirna scythe with lots of 2T fights

[covert island]

i guess i could run both slayer and colossus and just switch out as needed

[wild kernel]

If you learn both it just keeps the gameplay fresh overall, dps be damned

[covert island]

i just dont wana suck ass in high keys playing slayer is all xD

[regal wharf]

Arms is 26th place on archon

[latent moss]

wait they actually put it

as the worst m+ spec in the game

hooooly

[regal wharf]

NUMBER ONE (at being the worst) LETS FUCKING GOOOOO

[covert island]

woo baby maining the worst dps spec

[wild kernel]

3 days bratha we find out

[minor gust]

If your good at arms and the game you will do just fine.

[covert island]

i would say im better at arms than i am fury

as i always play arms when i touch warrior

[minor gust]

Then slay away. The buffs next week will really help aswell

[torpid pier]

Probably a dumb question, but what is Dreadnaught for Arms?

[edgy solstice]

a talent

[dire hinge]

makes your Overpowers do a line through your target (AoE)

[covert island]

dreadnaught

great talent

[minor gust]

oh dreadnaught. Used to do all our dmg now it does nones

[dire hinge]

rip DN

[fossil mantle]

the real thing I miss is blademaster's torment. Its effectively a dead capstone

[shadow ibex]

got a few of those

just warrior things

[quartz canopy]

oh yeah, I just realized we have two dead capstone talents

probably not good

[shadow ibex]

dance and fatal def are

2 of the 5

good odds

[silk spade]

sounds like it could hurt

[nova marsh]

Honestly out of a lot of other classes I play I feel like warrior in general just has a lot of dead talents

Even EB is barely not a dead talent

Because if it was one point between that and battle lord, you just take battle lord evrey time

Then you have shit like finishing blows

[flat willow]

the worst part about warrior talents aren't the dead talents

[nova marsh]

Why does it even exist? It was fine as a little cherry ontop of soa

[flat willow]

it's the mandatory talents that are just garbage

this row, to be exact

2 handed weapon spec, armored to the teeth

[nova marsh]

2h spec is one of the most moronic decisions

It'd be fine if it like...lead into avatar or smth

[flat willow]

then you got things that you can't always take but are mandatory for the spec to not feel garbage like deft experience and critical thinking

[nova marsh]

Tbh throw massa in there

20% Eze baseline on a spec with so much riding on it even without talents is just....

No words stupid

[fast talon]

arms gunna be good after buff or remain bad?

[flat willow]

its gonna be good

[fast talon]

for m+?

[flat willow]

fury will still be better

but arms will be playable

[runic tartan]

check https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[torpid pier]

Thanks pal, appreciate the response.

[nova marsh]

Oh yeah even our hero trees have horrible talents

Like death dive

I cannot think of anything more useless

[jovial oriole]

is the stat prio for slayer/colossus the same?

[thick hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[cyan oriole]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1094721831216353310/MSbun.gif

[vague nova]

I never realized this but yes. The lack fluidity between the intro points into a wing of the last tier of talents is actually horrible.

[river ridge]

Yup. Look at sanctified plates postion on the Paladin tre compared to Warriors Endurance training.

[vague nova]

Do you think warriors would get QOL fixes like that if we were literate and knew how to write in the forums?

[river ridge]

Perhaps. TBH Warriors, despite our memes about not being able to read, tend to have very solid feedback threads during beta and big patch cycles.

I don't think it's an issue of players not giving solid feedback, just of Blizzard not acting upon it either because they disagree or don't have the resources to make the adjustments in the allowed development time.

[balmy kindle]

literally me everyday outside of work and wow

[worldly kernel]

dude heroic BRD is fucking rediculous

[gusty oxide]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1042069193392136223/20221115_132954.gif

[balmy kindle]

second to that, pretty annoying at higher key levels where stamina starts to matter alot.

For comparison, DKs easily surpass 6m+ hp n dps specs

[steep osprey]

DKs are stupid. They have an easily accessible one point talent node that gives them 20% stamina

If we want to get 10% stamina, we have to use 2 points and it’s not easily accessible

[steep osprey]

I noticed that the BRD raid has adds spawning on pretty much every boss

[teal fossil]

Tbf didn’t they have the stamina node since the beginning of time

Kinda grandfathered in

Sanc plates is a diff story tho

[steep osprey]

Just be a veteran of the third war

[still fox]

i am new with coloss, cast it on cd or only with 10 stacks?

[vague nova]

Dk is juggernaut themed. But they’re also tanky With a large go pool on top it.

[limber river]

In my experience you send it on pull and should have full stacks for it every time it’s off cd

[teal fossil]

You build to 6 stacks on pull

In aoe

I don’t remember on st

[spice prism]

Hi guys, is unhinged bugged during sweeping strikes?

[teal fossil]

No it’s intended

[spice prism]

the wowhead guide says to use bladestorm during sweeping strikes, so thats a no?

[paper gulch]

Yes

Mortal strike from bladestorm no longer cleaves with sweeping strikes. It was one of the first nerfs we got.

[gaunt owl]

6 or 10 depending on DN or not actually

or it changed again and i didnt see ?

[teal fossil]

Yeah its that

But I don’t remember the details

So I thought mentioning only 6 should be fine

[gaunt owl]

yeah most likely fine for 99.9% of us

[thick kelp]

6 is good

with dn

10 with soa

[steep osprey]

is DN gonna be the go to with the buffs

for m+

[teal fossil]

The status quo shouldn’t have changed

Since dn and op is both buffed by 15

So indirectly the damage gain of soa should be buffed by 15% too

So you would still take whatever you took before

[thick kelp]

DN is ahead by around 1.8% in a 5T scenario

over Soa

and around the same number otherway around for ST

[quasi torrent]

so u just use soa

cause dn is L

[thick kelp]

Yeah

Cleave buff = no reason to take DN for more aoe

[flat willow]

1,8%?

man what have they done to this talent

[elfin violet]

in the dungeon slice sims SOA is lower overall though. And the DPS i get from slice seems very close to reality. I am starting to trust the slice sims

the real question here is SOA vs DN in a 2 mob cleave scenario where the 2 big ones from the pack are left alive

[kind glade]

For m+ do I always want to coimbine demolish with Warbreaker?

On AoE its easy to align, but on ST they desync pretty badly

[visual fern]

SOA no thinky

Dn aligning maximum cleave potential

https://tenor.com/bGpoM.gif

SOa

https://tenor.com/bp0gi.gif

[flat willow]

I love aligning cleave for DN

just not for 1.8% dps

and ofc the ST loss

[fresh spire]

It's going to be lower as colossus apl hasn't been pushed to support it properly. Prio is still not correct on raid bots. Just need to check slayer aoe stuff today on sims then apl will be updated hopefully

Bottom two are SOa with optimisations

still missing a ton of damage on raidbots

[summer heath]

hey i'm choosing between Spriest and Arms for leveling to 80 as Dracthyr which be more easier and lower apm

[summer elbow]

ARMS

SP don't have execute

[summer heath]

And next week arms gonna be strong ?

After weekly maint ?

[summer elbow]

no TIER S but as we used to be. But honestly.. IF u like SP go SP if u want to be a warrior be one. Is a hard charge

[summer heath]

idk cause worried about my carpal tunnel syndrome

[summer elbow]

well arms has a low spm

is not like fury where you have to do a lot of skills

im an altholic.. i always create new toons and i like to level them get ilvl 600 and delete it to start over.. the only class that make me feel strong and i have fun playing is warrior.. both fury and arms are ok but arms feels amazing when you execute and start seeing those big hits

[summer heath]

What about soloing delves like t8

[summer elbow]

its easy.. we have solid defensives and a good selfhealing with impending victory

[kind stag]

any arms gods know whats best embellishment if you kinda do both but mostly m+?

[boreal quartz]

for aoe technically the vers one is better

but ascencion wep is super nice to gear into

[kind stag]

vers, crit linings or ascendance

ehjhhh

i see lot of top warrs use different stuff

and im not smart to decide

[summer heath]

But yeah i am going as Dracthyr that why i asked about spriest vs arms warrior

[thick kelp]

do you own a myth track weapon?

if no

go ascendance

[boreal quartz]

like m+ wep is 626 max

[kind stag]

what im thinkin too

[boreal quartz]

ascend is 636

the LARGE

unless you have a 639

[thick kelp]

after u acquire 639 weapon

recraft into versa embel

[kind stag]

are there crit haste weps even?

think bis is from boralus no?

[boreal quartz]

@thick kelpits time

[boreal quartz]

stats dont matter

[quasi torrent]

bisussy

[boreal quartz]

you fix those with ur jewellery n shit

u just want raw ilvl

[quasi torrent]

me when people took champ track wep out of first vault cause it was BIS WEP

👑 👑 👑 👑 👑 👑 👑 👑 👑 👑 👑

[kind stag]

[quasi torrent]

(surely wouldnt have been better to take a hole)

[boreal quartz]

hole

[quasi torrent]

hole during hc week

has paid of big time for me

(hole in crafted wrists >>>>> anything u could take that week)

[boreal quartz]

OLY

[thick kelp]

Mines tinier

[boreal quartz]

ye idk i have some shizo build

[thick kelp]

also tracking recall on top bar

[quasi torrent]

arent all ele builds within variance

[thick kelp]

idk

im just pressing chain -> eq -> chain

[boreal quartz]

i havent fixed my build since rework

[thick kelp]

beating most 620's in overalls

[cloud gyro]

can u make the orc racial larger

[boreal quartz]

main issue i have with my shaman

i have nada tmog for it

[quasi torrent]

surely u hide orc racial

and just macro it into elemental?

or is it not 2min and im cooked

[boreal quartz]

ascend is a 2 min

so ye just into that

[quasi torrent]

what cd is storm ele then

[thick kelp]

ascend is 3min

on ele

XD

[summer heath]

So overall easier pve to 80 and gearing to 600+ between spriest and arms warrior as Dracthyr ?

[quasi torrent]

what is the question

are you asking if its easier to get to 600 ilvl as arms or spriest?

(dracthyr is completly irrelevant here)

[summer heath]

I proccess of making new main but torn between both as Dracthyr but want easier time to 80 and easier progression (sorry)

[boreal quartz]

neither is hard

[quasi torrent]

leveling is completly trivial

[thick kelp]

u dont play it

i think

[boreal quartz]

as i said no fuckin idea what im doin

xdd

good shield or

[summer heath]

But which able to do t8 delves ez ?

[boreal quartz]

both

[quasi torrent]

both if you respec to healer/tank :)

[summer heath]

But what if i dont wanan tank or heal ?

[bold wave]

Then play survival hunter, easy rota a lot of dmg and a pet for t8 solo delves

[boreal quartz]

i think if u play careful

both is fine

[summer heath]

No thanks already played too much hunter and feels meh

[boreal quartz]

@thick kelpdid i cook

[thick kelp]

Hm

Cookd

[boreal quartz]

It has to be as obnoxious as possible

I think the pala shield helps there

[dark badge]

i have Arms loot specc but only get one handers O.o

How can i get two handers if i drop one handers only

[regal birch]

ele talk IN MY ARMS CHANNEL?

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-warhammer40k-warhammer40k-heresy-detected-warhammer40k-space-marines-gif-26543746

[boreal quartz]

warrior is over

[boreal quartz]

warbound item?

[boreal quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-pov-point-of-view-forgeworld-warhammer-gif-23903948

[regal birch]

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-total-war-warhammer-great-unclean-one-daemons-nurgling-gif-24491424

[astral talon]

tempted to drop sks in m+ for EB

hmm

[obtuse copper]

Joewari da

[kind stag]

hmmm should i drop bloodborne for EB or massacre for EB on colossus?

[boreal quartz]

rage + talent to rage - talent

Deadge

[kind stag]

i see lot of people use different

[boreal quartz]

dont think u do either

[kind stag]

class sometimes feels janky without 2x deft though

or i use 1 deft 1 bloodborne and put 1 into crit thinking

[astral talon]

i'd have blord and eb xD

[kind stag]

lot of them also dropping merciless bonegrinder

idk how i feel about that

[summer elbow]

Shammy are so op that you see them even on warrior discord

[kind stag]

how much value is Massacre on colossus?

[zenith crystal]

Peak Male performance

[regal birch]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-astartes-bolter-boltgun-dakka-gif-9363696

[summer heath]

Seems to be learning towards arms warrior > shadpworest wonder how they vs aginst surv hunters ?

[quasi torrent]

in what

[boreal quartz]

t8 delves xdd

[drifting apex]

So guys blackrock soccor trinket need to farm it or not at all?

[cyan oriole]

nothings really that good in there for wars so no

unless more sims came out i guess. but last i checked unless ur undergeared already theres not much of worth in there

[sharp wyvern]

i cant even do BRD heroic cause i dont want my vault loot not be nerubar

[astral yarrow]

Does it actually work that way

[sharp wyvern]

if you hover over the vault slots it sure looks like it

we´ll know for sure on tuesday

[nimble yoke]

i wonder which spec/hero talent combos will be the best for ST in aoe build next week

[nimble yoke]

i assume arms loses a lot more ST for going aoe

[boreal quartz]

go colossus

xdd

[nimble yoke]

xdd

isnt thane fury just

better st better aoe

in m+

[sharp wyvern]

rn yes

next week maybe not

[nimble yoke]

interesting

[kind stag]

Should be worse st after patch

[nimble yoke]

it's weird to me that colossus ST got a smaller buff than slayer ST

[sharp wyvern]

cause it only needed to have decent not good ST since its the aoe spec

[nimble yoke]

how about a redesign of demolish with no cast time

[sharp wyvern]

as long as we play IFTK its fine

[nimble yoke]

oh i forgot tom existed please no

[plucky fern]

colossus arms is not that far off in overall damage in realistic environment, but its just harder to play and less tanky than fury thane

for some reason thane sims way more but idk maybe something wrong with apl but ive never noticed that much diff

[nimble yoke]

yea i wanna try it out. seems not that far behind in aoe and if it is ahead in ST could be fun

[plucky fern]

ive been cooking some arms builds preparing for the next week blast
went a few +11 keys with blademasters torment no bleed build, was surprised by overall damage

maybe thats not that bad

because anyway meta revolves around 'big pulls with burst'

and you can deliver like 10mil dps in a big pull with lust like necrotic

[nimble yoke]

aren't the defensive nodes in colossus kinda ass

[plucky fern]

in arms in general

colossus is at least some defensives

[nimble yoke]

yea arms is squishier than fury for sure

[plucky fern]

2.5 passive dr and some dr after demolish

idk i feel like we have to play the shitty ignore pain

even if its that bad

[nimble yoke]

oh yeah i forgot abt dr after demolish

not so bad then

[plucky fern]

you cant outlive some mechanics without it

in 12 keyhs

and higher

[nimble yoke]

i am for sure not playing IP talent

never doing higher than 10s anyways

[plucky fern]

its terrible, but 500k shield is at least something

[nimble yoke]

ngl bro i am going fueled by violence lmao

[plucky fern]

ive been running fueled whole season

but 12 and higher is no joke

[nimble yoke]

can imagine

the scaling in this season seems way too cracked ngl

[plucky fern]

and anyway in some dungeons i will still go fury

like grim batol

[nimble yoke]

and having tyran and fort in +10 is a bit cringe wish it'd be in +11 and higher

[plucky fern]

i aint going arms in this hell

[nimble yoke]

is it cuz you cant live shit lol

[plucky fern]

yeah you are just that much tankier as fury

=/

[sharp wyvern]

what key level are we talking about ?

[nimble yoke]

12+ i guess

why does this build have so many buttons where tf do i put colossus lol

[thick kelp]

On your leggo keybind

[nimble yoke]

didn't have leggo

[sharp wyvern]

F

remove hamstring maybe

[nimble yoke]

having skullsplitter and colossus is a whole lot of buttons lol my weakaura is big as fuck

[marble steppe]

i wish the colossus hit couldnt crit or was a guaranteed crit with some numbers adjusting

feels so bad low rolling on it

[nimble yoke]

just make each stack give you 10% crit chance on it

[marble steppe]

yeah that could work too

[halcyon valve]

i have like 4 weakauras for arms total
rage, swing timer, rend timer, sudden death procs

[tight igloo]

Do we belive arms will be any good in m+ with the buffs coming on reset?

[nimble yoke]

that's cool i have like 30

[halcyon valve]

why

[nimble yoke]

because I have a lot of abilities

lol

[boreal quartz]

i have 1 or 2 more

[nimble yoke]

yessir

[nimble yoke]

is this your own weakaura

[boreal quartz]

yuh

[nimble yoke]

homemade shit huh

very nice

I'm using naowh ATM but idk whether I prefer naowh or atrocity

[boreal quartz]

yoinking some stuff from tmy and revvez

but main shit is me

ignore bitter

it shouldnt be playing it

[halcyon valve]

mind boggling

[boreal quartz]

i mean

not all of those are active perma

[halcyon valve]

still so much clutter

[boreal quartz]

its only clutter if you show it

[halcyon valve]

nah showing colossus buff stacks is actually just unnecessary

[boreal quartz]

i dont need action bars cuz of was so i track everything thats relevant to doin more dam

[halcyon valve]

if demolish glows you got 10, thats it

[boreal quartz]

nono those only show on low duration

so i can play around extending going into packs

[halcyon valve]

you do you ig

[boreal quartz]

neither LP, SD nor EP are shown nowadays since i consolidated em into 2 was

[astral talon]

that all your auras?

[boreal quartz]

ye

[astral talon]

where more clutter?

[nimble yoke]

the naowh wa just has colossus stacks show up on the colossus cooldown which makes a lot of sense to me

[nimble yoke]

Holy goated

[boreal quartz]

you need 7 class pakcs

right over eachother

[boreal quartz]

i have both

[astral talon]

funny enough

i dont use class packs

[boreal quartz]

stacks on colo in general, glow at 10

and stacks if low

[astral talon]

i hate them

with passion

[halcyon valve]

true

[nimble yoke]

why stacks if low?

[halcyon valve]

class packs can suck my nuts

[boreal quartz]

cuz thats only out of combat

so i can check if i can send wb/roar or whatever before demo

or if i need to fish to a refresh

[nimble yoke]

oh sure

I see

[boreal quartz]

there is some implications so i track it

same for overwhelmed

you can sd at <3 MFE to not drop stacks

which is why seeing it does elp

also for mandate ig

[halcyon valve]

this is all i need to play arms

[boreal quartz]

where MFE

where juggernaut

[halcyon valve]

and the cleave one doesnt even show anymore because that was a remnant from the 7 second whirlwind stuff

from dragonflight

[astral talon]

this

done

[halcyon valve]

point being that i just use my keybinds for ability cooldowns, that shit already built in. no configuring of weakauras and updating shit

[thick kelp]

I also love staring at the bottom of my screen

[boreal quartz]

i mean here they arent bottom of the screen

[thick kelp]

when everything is happening in the middle

[boreal quartz]

and i dont need to see my fuckin fishing if i wanna look at sks

theres still bars somewhere but its just moving info to a spot

where i can process it better

[halcyon valve]

point being to not stare at your ability cooldowns permanently and just get a feel for it

[boreal quartz]

thats so bad

how do you feel 2 LP

or feel a blord reset

[nimble yoke]

get a feel for it LMAO

[halcyon valve]

tf is LP

[boreal quartz]

LB sorry

[halcyon valve]

use words please

[boreal quartz]

tierset

unkeybound zerk 😔

[halcyon valve]

imagine playing battle lord

and tier set is just free dmg when overpower resets, nothing hard about that

[boreal quartz]

you legit dont MS until you have 2 stacks

it changes ur exe prio a LOT

[tacit crystal]

i love missing infinite damage in execute

[boreal quartz]

if u cant see that you cant play right

🤷‍♂️

[tacit crystal]

because i refuse to drop ego

the current aui build doesnt have it

[astral talon]

oh my i wonder if someone will invite for a +12

yay

[tacit crystal]

so for a while i was staring at my buffs in the top right

[halcyon valve]

cant play with maximizing the 10% buff oh no

[tacit crystal]

or i was looking at my op reseting

[halcyon valve]

how could i just play the fucking game

[tacit crystal]

i was playing teh game

[boreal quartz]

i mean its different aims then

[tacit crystal]

then i just made the wa on my own

not hard

[boreal quartz]

but i want my was to help me do dam so thats how they are set up

[boreal quartz]

get the no delay one

[maiden notch]

Why argue with some clown that thinks weakauras are useless or the cd timers are build into the spell bar.

Literally the best players use these class weakauras.

Yet some clown argues to get a feel for your cd‘s.

[boreal quartz]

i mean look at dan

he uses actionbars

and is in method

it is a viable option

[halcyon valve]

me when i lie about what was said

[tacit crystal]

surely just duplicating a wa then changing the buff to track is enoug

[boreal quartz]

i mean

you are like 0.5 sec slower with the normal tracking

cuz of how tact works

https://wago.io/1saJpr4O7

but you can just get the right WA

[tacit crystal]

what makes it track faster though

[boreal quartz]

custom code

[tacit crystal]

saj

[vale cradle]

can u link the owo lethal blows wa

[sharp pawn]

hey there got a qiuck question iam using atm this build are there any improvments that i could try ??

[tacit crystal]

is this for m+

[sharp pawn]

yes

[tacit crystal]

you could change dn for soa for more st

i think massacre for bl is also more st

i cant remember

[boreal quartz]

nah mass is good

[empty sluice]

take out ep and massacre and put it to eb and battlelord

[boreal quartz]

nice mix between st and cd for aoe imo

[thick kelp]

sks and massa

[empty sluice]

im not sure about execute as colosus tho idk

feels bad

[empty sluice]

sks > ep

[astral talon]

instant deplete in dawn 12 cuz people can't kick, or heal, or use walls lmao

500k hps sham...

[tight igloo]

Any chance arms will be better in m+ then fury with buffs or na?

[boreal quartz]

eh

[empty sluice]

pretty sure no

[astral talon]

i'd say no

arms is enthusiast spec, not meta spec lol

[empty sluice]

nxt tier pray

[astral talon]

for m+ at least

[tight igloo]

I hope its enough to be accepted in groups lol, getting more invites or my 1900 ele sham then 2700 warr :´)

[sharp pawn]

this is what you mean kinda hardstuck with the abbreviations @empty sluice

[ebon ridge]

@boreal quartz Philwoyer or Philmagus?

[empty sluice]

yea, i usualy take blunt instrument anyway, and maybe eb instead of mbg

[boreal quartz]

warrior

[ebon ridge]

Good to hear

[thick kelp]

Horrid choice

ngl

underestimating ep

[tacit crystal]

i think dropping ep is a sin

i think if anything you drop mgb for ep

and not play bl

or is bl more than sks

[empty sluice]

not really tho

[tacit crystal]

?

xd

@boreal quartz hoyl

this wa is broken

[boreal quartz]

[boreal quartz]

ye the duration is not 100%

but its insta

[tacit crystal]

yeah but the duration is meaningless

because you care about the int

what does this option do phil

[sharp pawn]

the weakaura just tracks the stacks from our set tier am i right ??

[tacit crystal]

yeah

but it does it faster than making a wa to track the buff

[tacit crystal]

^

the difference in the tracking is ntoiceable if you are checking it

[sharp pawn]

ahhh ok

[potent zodiac]

Hey friends I’m a FOTM slave and an altoholic, is Arms going to be popping in m+?

[zenith crystal]

Wrong Discord for FotM

[tacit crystal]

prob not

[potent zodiac]

But you boys you just got a whooping buff, was arms that low

[zenith crystal]

Both DPS war specs were abysmal outside of raid

[thick kelp]

🤨

arms was abysmal in raid too

[potent zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-4961456348134506326

[potent zodiac]

But I just rolled a warrior

[zenith crystal]

Sorry, I play fury so I was good in raid. Arms is just bad

Warrior is thr worst plate DPS rn

Sin Rogue, Dk, Ret, enh all better melee options

[potent zodiac]

Bro my shaman got gutted I’m looking for a fine melee spec for m+

[zenith crystal]

Play DK

[potent zodiac]

Gonna go to the UH dk discord then

It was fun while our conversation lasted boys

[ripe quartz]

Imagine joining arms channel because fotm xd

[tacit crystal]

you are better off playing prot warrior for fotm

[thick kelp]

shaman gutted?

do we live in same universe

[zenith crystal]

Someone send the ele meme

[thick kelp]

https://imgur.com/ccu7dbw

[potent zodiac]

Not ele, enhancement

[zenith crystal]

Thank you

[thick kelp]

Enha gutted?
do we live in same universe

[potent zodiac]

Next update we are losing 10-20% damage on some spells

[zenith crystal]

Imagine spamming lightning bolt and doing the DPS of two warriors

[thick kelp]

wää

my class got a 3% nerf

cuz it was 10% above the rest

time to reroll

[hard marsh]

Also after next buffs arm are shit?

[zenith crystal]

Look at overall math, not specific spell math. You aren’t losing much of anything

It’s a slap on the wrist

[potent zodiac]

Yo bro y’all salty af nobody making you play warrior, reroll if it doesn’t make you enjoy the game

[zenith crystal]

Considering Fury lost an entire hero talent tree, Enh wasn’t “gutted”

[thick kelp]

nobody salty

just cringe

[potent zodiac]

Alright bro peace have a good one being at the bottom piece of shittuh

[zenith crystal]

Aight lil bro

[tacit crystal]

xd

[steep osprey]

Enha is going to be top 5 spec

[tacit crystal]

how are these people human

[steep osprey]

After nerf

[tacit crystal]

going to be

have been

xd

[steep osprey]

You know what i mean

And people are still complaining

[tacit crystal]

they got "nerfed" weeks ago when fury got nerfed

xd

[steep osprey]

I expected a bigger nerf for enha tbh

[zenith crystal]

The AoE cap on tempest was too much. Couldn’t do 30M every third global

Dead spec

[steep osprey]

Also, why is ret not nerfed

[zenith crystal]

Bc it’s ret

[steep osprey]

[zenith crystal]

Ret has been riding “bad in wrath” for 14 years

[steep osprey]

Sin rogue too

[steep osprey]

Utter woke nonsense

[zenith crystal]

Sin rogue I’m more ok with. They aren’t also good in raid

[steep osprey]

They are too 5 in raid

Top

[zenith crystal]

Ok fair

Thought they were lower

Thought they were like ~10

[steep osprey]

They got a 5% buff this patch without any nerf compensations

[zenith crystal]

Dope

[steep osprey]

Gg

[zenith crystal]

Should’ve sent FotM man to spriest discord

[steep osprey]

Spriest is boring as hell

Bring back legion spriest

[zenith crystal]

Based

Ranged BoS went hard

[steep osprey]

Voidform was based gameplay

[zenith crystal]

And they were still like…barely good

But it was hype to play

[steep osprey]

Idk if there was a solution to fix how bad they were in m+ settings

[zenith crystal]

20% aura buff

Only option

[steep osprey]

Idk about that

[zenith crystal]

Mostly trolling

[steep osprey]

Dots were their only damaging ability

[zenith crystal]

Mind blast was pressed.

[steep osprey]

And they needed to get high voidform stacks to be able to start dealing damage

And mobs just didn’t love that long

Live

[zenith crystal]

Not when Balance Druid was what it was

[steep osprey]

That’s why they were so good in raid

Especially 2 target cleave

(Fel hounds)

[zenith crystal]

And good Spriests being the stuff of nightmares and just embarrassing everyone in the raid

[steep osprey]

Surrender to madness on some bosses was insane

Remember nighthold

3 boss fight

[zenith crystal]

Those fight parses were beautiful

[steep osprey]

https://youtu.be/q-0YEcAP-eg?si=VOqj19IGKGtqKTRl

This is the priest equivalent of execute video lol

[zenith crystal]

I miss Druid being good

[steep osprey]

Druid is good

No?

[slim hazel]

what do you think about this ? can we play arms again ?

[plucky fern]

tldr: yes, but fury still better

arms gonna be goated in raid tho

[weak rain]

Idk, colossussy in m+ might be goated

[plucky fern]

damage will definetly be good

but will it be that good to offset the survivability loss compared to fury

idk

[livid cloak]

Damage about even

Arms take 5 percent less with colossus and has 5 percent passive avoidance

Fury has 10 percent dam reduction

Only real diff is the stamina I guess

Or am I missing something? I think that's it?

[flat willow]

the healing

[steep osprey]

A lot more self healing

CSHB + bloodthirst

[livid cloak]

Idk fueled by violence does about the same

[flat willow]

no I don't think that's true

[livid cloak]

On aoe id wager it's more

But st cshb does more I'm sure

[steep osprey]

Yeah I disagree on fueled by violence

[halcyon breach]

It wont reasonably change anything for raid

[tall socket]

Isnit weird if i say i feel actually more tanky on arms?. I feel Die by the sword and ignore pain are more likely to save me from an aoe spike than frenzy regen

[halcyon breach]

Raid still very much favours AoE burst, which Fury is far better at than Arms

[flat willow]

yes it's very weird

[livid cloak]

Dbts is a good cooldown, but enraged regen is better

[halcyon breach]

Ignore Pain is genuinely cosmetic

[livid cloak]

I do feel like

[flat willow]

ignore pain isn't an ability and fury just takes 10% less damage

on top of the stam

[boreal quartz]

you feel wrong

[halcyon breach]

Fueled by Violence will do more effective healing by far compared to IP

[steep osprey]

Ignore pain should be more absorb

[livid cloak]

Colossus takes 5 percent less dam and arms has 5 percent free avoidance

So that kinda washss

Washes

[modest carbon]

its 2,5 isnt it

[tall socket]

Also both specs have def stance wich lot of people forget it exist when playing arms/fury

[livid cloak]

Is it 2.5 dmg reduction and 5 percent done?

[boreal quartz]

yes but fury is still even chunkier

[modest carbon]

almost certain, but not in game right now

[livid cloak]

For sure fury is chunkier

[tacit crystal]

i think its 5 dr

[livid cloak]

I just don't think it's as big of a gap as people say

[pliant crypt]

def stance is weak and terrible when you use it is like only for nerfing atack

[livid cloak]

What

D stance is amazing

[modest carbon]

yeah, its great, just wish it had 1,5s CD instead of 3

so you really can dip in and out more effectively

[halcyon breach]

Dstance is underrated and if you think otherwise you are incredibly silly 👍

[tacit crystal]

dstance is one of the best defensives in the game

4 sec cd

like

XD

[livid cloak]

I lived at least 3 or 4 times in that cot because of d stance lol

Where i would have otherwise died

[tacit crystal]

on the 12 i did

same

[halcyon breach]

I am hard abusing it during Ansurek prog

[tacit crystal]

its legit

so broken

[halcyon breach]

And you should as well for any very high damage event, especially if you can't maintain uptime anyway

[tacit crystal]

that comment about dstance was the biggest self report

idk

[halcyon breach]

So like Kyveza when you're targeted by charges

[astral talon]

Wait someone said dstance is bad?

[tacit crystal]

yes

[astral talon]

Fucking hell

[tacit crystal]

.

[astral talon]

Bruh, abuse it

Its best wall in the game

[pliant crypt]

for me d stance is terrible nerfed like arms warrior weak and terrible all talent tree is mess arms is like they fix him like 1day max 2

[tall socket]

There is a reason why warr is the tank whose hp bar barely moves

[astral talon]

It can be permament lol

[astral talon]

Dont play it then?

[halcyon breach]

I agree Arms is terrible, but Dstance isn't

[plucky fern]

saying dstance is bad is silly i agree
this spell and spell reflect is what keeps you alive

[livid cloak]

I remember the day I found out sr gave you magic defense

Game changing revelation

Imagine reading tooltips

[tacit crystal]

sr is also so broken

[livid cloak]

[tacit crystal]

warrior has some of rhe best on demand defensives

but mage just has 3 more

gg

[pliant crypt]

on some expansion arms it was good with healer but now they cant keep you alive ranged clasess just use arms warrior us dummy

[astral talon]

Are you talking about pvp?

[tacit crystal]

prob

[astral talon]

Bruh

[pliant crypt]

in pvp def stance is more weak like pve

[astral talon]

Not really

[wanton sierra]

dstance should have diferent weights by spec...

[astral talon]

15/15 now

[livid cloak]

Shh

[astral talon]

Its again the best wall in the game, cuz you can have it permanently

[halcyon breach]

It technically does since as Prot warr you don't lose any damage at all

[livid cloak]

Don't put those ideas out in the universe

[halcyon breach]

But I think it's current state is more than fine for both DPS specs

[tacit crystal]

banezi for prog

do you just sit dstance

[halcyon breach]

no

[pliant crypt]

def stance will be very nice like it is now if you have more skills for def

[halcyon breach]

That's stupid

[astral talon]

Lmao

[tacit crystal]

ik

[astral talon]

Nah banezi just 5head and he's letting his guild kill

He's just there for achiev

[tacit crystal]

based

[halcyon breach]

I think during Kyveza I used Dstance more times than I have the previous 2 tiers combined

[tacit crystal]

yep

[pliant crypt]

fury is good but arms is terrible you feel like nothing working

[tacit crystal]

what else are you supposed to do when you get targeted

[wanton sierra]

how about: each time we mortal strike we get 3sec cdr of iv (so we coulda hheal more^^)

[livid cloak]

Make it off global

[tacit crystal]

what is iv

[wanton sierra]

the healing

[livid cloak]

Impending victory

[tacit crystal]

ah

that would be kinda broken

but nicep

[wanton sierra]

i know our ignore pain is dogshiet, but what if we pick that colossus talent that buff it?

[pliant crypt]

warrior on pvp have problem with so many cc perma slows roots

[tall socket]

Arms still pulling ahead on ST fights?. I mained arms on previous patch, and there was this fury warr main in our raid core which would pull ahead of me on everything but pure ST and execute phases

[tacit crystal]

arms will probably be ahead on st yeah

[astral talon]

Ok but maybe go #pvp and cry there?

[tacit crystal]

no

🙂

[pliant crypt]

ok bro but on pve is arms good lol we are shit on some raid bosses we do dmg on other we are terrible

[astral talon]

Ok

Go roll hunter or enh or sth

Now shoo

Away with you noob

[wanton sierra]

holy smokes!

[pliant crypt]

just relax arms need more love not just buff to dmg need deeper fix

[astral talon]

Ye we all know that

Dmg buff is there so we're not dead last on logs and in keys

Rework we're all awaiting

Bigger or smaller, doesn't matter, we all wait for it

Don't expect pvp specific changes tho

Its a minigame content

[wanton sierra]

there is some crazy ass warriors that keeps tryin to imagine new replacements of talents, just for the fun of imagination and copium, coz those ideas is never going to happen

[pliant crypt]

my opinion for next raid they put one trink that helps some clasess like warrior they will get some dmg and after they will nerf trink and thats all i dont believe they rework deep warrior

[astral talon]

Ok, we'll see

[topaz maple]

will arms be meta on tues omg......

[wanton sierra]

colossus arms on m+ has potential, big spike dam

[pliant crypt]

we will glad if colossus arms m+ works

[wanton sierra]

it works

[worldly kernel]

Colossus arms is still the best in higher keys there’s only like 1 or 2 dungeons where you would play slayer over it

[wanton sierra]

which one? every time i try slayer i feel that im doind waaay worse

[worldly kernel]

Grim batol, dawnbreaker maybe

[pliant crypt]

but on site say arms on higher keys we are last c tier

[worldly kernel]

Ima be real I don’t care what a tier list says lol

[plucky fern]

theres no dungeon where slayer arms is a choice

you play colossus where you can live, and where you cant you play fury

thats the reality

[worldly kernel]

Like imagine a dungeon like stone vault, you have high density pulls with mobs that need to be prioritized that you can blow up quick but still will have the right amount of mobs to maximize your big sends

Nah, ima still play arms ty though

But yeah, dawnbreaker, grim those are really the only two I can think of where I don’t play demolish on them.

[plucky fern]

its not about demolish, your overall damage as slayer in keys is lower, you dont get any survivability from hero tree, like literally zero

and 'priority damage' is a myth

who cares if you are doing 50k dps more on bosses if your overall is 200k lower
its still worse for timer

[wanton sierra]

damn, if you do 2x12s and the rest 11 you reach top 10 worldly arms

[tacit crystal]

XD

YOU HAVE TO BE BAITING

[worldly kernel]

Anyways

[tacit crystal]

THIS IS NOT REAL

[plucky fern]

well maybe bad wording

[tall socket]

They should imo remove sweeping strikes and just give arms the same talent fury has to make the next few strikes aoe

[plucky fern]

what i wanted to say

is that colo has same priority damage

as slayer

[tall socket]

But on cleave instead

[plucky fern]

maybe even more

you can setup big demolish on a target that you want to kill quickly

like skarmorak shield or some other situation idk

slayer just does more pure ST damage thats it

which is meaningless in m+ this season

[wanton sierra]

the guy desper is right

[plucky fern]

bosses are not a problem

[wanton sierra]

damn i really liked to rotate builds around coz of tyrn or fort... now we chance one or two talents

[astral talon]

bosses are not a problem until you die ON A BOSS

[worldly kernel]

[plucky fern]

yeah and you die cause you are slayer arms with zero defense

i said that already

[astral talon]

colo > slayer

[wanton sierra]

big press d stance with 10% hp

[plucky fern]

play fury if you die

play colo arms if not

my first words

[worldly kernel]

Ignore pain, retal, defense stance , impending victory , second wind, health pot

[plucky fern]

yeah cool, go try 12 grim batol as slayer arms

[wanton sierra]

dont forget cookies

[plucky fern]

tell us how it went

[wanton sierra]

second wind dont count

[nimble yoke]

health pot and cookies crazy unique warrior tech

[astral talon]

technically it does count

[worldly kernel]

I’ve had this argument with someone last xpac telling me the same thing. It’s a player skill issue I don’t know what to tell you if people don’t want to press defensive buttons

[nimble yoke]

i also love the defensive move of 'having a healer who will give you externals'

really cool warrior move

[plucky fern]

at high enough keys your 'survavability' is how you can survive oneshot mechanics

healing doesnt matter

[astral talon]

ye and at those high enough keys you also play meta

[plucky fern]

if a shout of first boss oneshots you

[astral talon]

not warrior 👍

[wanton sierra]

we got 3 main defensives.... stance dance, sr and the dbts

[tacit crystal]

iv

[astral talon]

i don't think there's a single boss that straight up oneshots you

assuming you and healer use defenvies

[wanton sierra]

yes, but check overallhealing... my second wind represents like 1%

[astral talon]

externals from your group

group defensives

[plucky fern]

ok first boss in necrotic wake assuming you dont have prot warrior

it can easilly oneshot you without dbts

at like +13

even 12 maybe

[vast hinge]

12 is a one shot without defnsives

[plucky fern]

fury can live with just a dstance up every time

tested it

[wanton sierra]

d stance you survive but chunks your health

[astral talon]

dbts, rally, dstance, reflect works too iirc

[vast hinge]

but yeah just ahve a warrior intervene you

[plucky fern]

reflect doesnt work

[vast hinge]

and you live

[plucky fern]

)

its a physical hit

thats why intervane from prot warrior works

[astral talon]

okay, parry, rally, dstance

[vast hinge]

idk if its a phsyical hit

bop doesnt work

[tacit crystal]

artji what is your syam and vers

[wanton sierra]

damn, we are down to check them logs

[tacit crystal]

artji

[plucky fern]

idk im out of this converstation
all i have to say is people defending slayer arms in keys probably didnt complete anything higher than +10

[tacit crystal]

stats

[tacit crystal]

i need int

[wanton sierra]

big ilvl

[tacit crystal]

nono the value of your vers

[wanton sierra]

4%

[tacit crystal]

eithout with sr

i love spreading lies

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

[astral talon]

?

[tacit crystal]

he said sr didnt affect the 1st boss mechanic

[tacit crystal]

.

[sharp wyvern]

he doesnt know about the dr

[tacit crystal]

god

20%

[sharp wyvern]

only the reflect

[tacit crystal]

is just not valued

[plucky fern]

might be wrong on this one, i thought that if prot inervanes it completely than its a physical attack

w/e

[astral talon]

?????

bruh

[worldly kernel]

[tacit crystal]

sr isnt just the reflect

[plucky fern]

i know about dr dude

i just though the damage type is wrong, my bad here

[sharp wyvern]

why do you think people think arms is squishy
they dont know its a 30s 20% dr

[plucky fern]

25s

[sharp wyvern]

point is its broken

[dire hinge]

morning nerds

[worldly kernel]

Buenos días it is time to own

[flat willow]

He knows SR has a DR, he just thought the first boss' nuke was physical

which is funny because that's not the first person I see who thought that

don't know where it comes from

[plucky fern]

i said why i though that

if prot warrior uses intervane on target

[sharp wyvern]

it says nature dmg in the journal

[plucky fern]

target takes 0 damage

[sharp wyvern]

[plucky fern]

and prot war takes the hit

and intervate SUPPOSED to only work on physical melee hits

that is why i though the ability is physical

[sharp wyvern]

isnt there talent that makes intervene cover magic dmg

[zenith crystal]

At this point in prot, if I doubt SR might not do something/im not holding it for a certain mechanic. I’m hitting SR

[plucky fern]

no theres not

[sharp wyvern]

or was that a change to intervene itself?

[worldly kernel]

You have to be mountain thane and it’s a magic shield

[sharp wyvern]

there was something that made it cover magic dmg

[tall socket]

I like that Arms share bis stats with protection. So you gearing 2 x 1

[steep osprey]

arms channel blowing up

[sharp wyvern]

thats not what a mean

might got removed in beta tbf

[worldly kernel]

You mean changing it from phys to magic?

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/inside-out-anger-characters-gif-25501912

[sharp wyvern]

but i remember there was some SR intervene stuff

[plucky fern]

on beta there was like 3 days when intervane worked on spells

they removed it very quickly

[sharp wyvern]

wasnt it a talent tho

[plucky fern]

maybe

[sharp wyvern]

so its been this long since i read intervene talents

[zenith crystal]

I mean. I just hope my DPS survive. Tank like turtles parent

[astral talon]

yay 12 dawn

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