arms

[next flame]

Half of the time it's just slam animation

Might be just night elf thing though

[runic tartan]

nah its all races thing

am actually impressed they could fk that up so bad

and it just feels like its not adressed at all

[next flame]

That is just adding insult to injury

[runic tartan]

i may be one of the few, but I actually watch my animations and somehow when i saw it was bugged it completely killed it for me

[nova marsh]

As a KT female I do not have that issue

At least not that I've noticed

[quartz canopy]

New PTR soon, can't wait for arms changes

[full furnace]

sweeping strikes now deals reduced damage beyond 1 target

[dire hinge]

it already does 😅

[full furnace]

renamed warbreaker to warbringer

[vast surge]

I wish sweeping strikes did some upfront damage so the global does feel so miserable

Kinda like the change the did to bladeflurry when it was put back on the GCD

[balmy kindle]

nurse I need 9000 mg

Why spear though, any explanation

[manic stirrup]

pretty certain its just better on colossus court

looks like -30k dps damage for damage but im pretty certain the crit damage buff is more than 30k dps

[balmy kindle]

Ah of course it's the ole crit for the win, maybe I will give it a shot next week

[vast surge]

Regarding merciless bonegrinder. I'd like to see them change it to something like your next 3 (or whatever) MS or Cleaves cost y% more rage and deal x% increased damage

[teal fossil]

probably would be good

but then it scales too poorly with haste

[vast surge]

true, the can fix that by making it so those next 3 have CDR reduced by some % as well

merciless bonegrinder is a rage dump and a burst talent in one

and you don't feel like every GCD you press in that window other than cleave is wasted uptime

[balmy kindle]

It will be good if there's no duration on the buff

Like legit you can bank rage and go HAM

[vast surge]

resets when you cast next bladestorm/ravager

maybe you lose it if you drop combat for 20secs

[balmy kindle]

Honestly I would rather have more than 20s, colossus might dropping off is alr annoying as F

[vast surge]

Ok I've reworked my idea for merciless bonegrinder so it works like this,

After casting Ravager or Bladestorm, your next 3 Mortal Strikes or Whirlwind/Cleave do not incur their cooldown.
Deal 50% increased damage and cost 20% more rage .
This effect persists for 15secs after combat ends and is reset when Ravager/Bladestorm cast.

The numbers are just placeholders till it's tuned.

[next flame]

If were dreaming can i suggest sweeping strikes get changed to sweeping stance?

[vast surge]

You can do anything you like

[balmy kindle]

I mean it makes too much sense.

But because it makes too much sense blizzard doesn't know

[next flame]

One can dream

And maybe just maybe cleave replaces ms and benefits from exe precision

[vast surge]

Oh boyu

That's a step too far

[flat willow]

or a second charge of sweeping strike like dnd for dk, or 100% uptime like outlaw rogues

or a passive like legion

[vast surge]

The synergy is too high

[flat willow]

but no, arms' "fantasy" is to be designed like trash

https://tenor.com/view/trash-trash-man-im-the-trash-man-iasip-danny-devito-gif-15616885

[vast surge]

What is the fantasy?

Sucking ass?

[flat willow]

yes

[next flame]

I was gonna argue about that but then i remembered demolish exists

[vast surge]

Why does it need a target?

WHY???

[flat willow]

every time blizzard design team stumbles on something truly vile that everyone finds disgusting

they think " what a nice addition to arms warrior "

and that's how the garbage axe legendary became arms' heroic spec

[vast surge]

Despite everything, I still play arms even in it's current state

[next flame]

To stop mid channel without doing the 3rd hit because your target moved 2yd

[vital summit]

Demolish should just do a massive thunder clap around you so the 3rd hit allways do something

[vast surge]

Sadge

[vital summit]

Or create a pocket area that you can't move out of like Jarvan IV Ultimate in League

that would fit themewise

and would be cool for pvp

[flat willow]

yeah that way you stop the mob from following the tank

and it decides to one shot you instead

[next flame]

Yes but you see the problem is it makes sense hence it's exactly what blizzard doesn't want to do

[vital summit]

Nah it would still have aggro to the tank, just can't reach him

it would be like inverse ring of peace

AND as a flavour, you can't blink/leap or use any movement to get out of it

[vital summit]

(and you can freely walk out)

But that would require an actual dev so just keep dreaming

[vast surge]

Did warriors do something to deserve the neglect?

[next flame]

Glad i'm not the only person that feel blizzard's number 1 criteria for warrior class designer was "to have never ever played a warrior class in any game ever made"
"Not reading any of the existing talents" was number 2

[vital summit]

I'd say that criteria would be "be human" but even chatGPT would do a better job balancing

[boreal quartz]

Heroic dungeon week

[vast surge]

That was fury

I wasn't even warrioring then

I was BDK

I got nerfed for no reason there too

[flat willow]

it's in the rules of warrior

when fury gets nerfed

arms gets nerfed for good measure

it's kind of like mages

where all 3 specs must be top tier or mage players cry

but the opposite

[vast surge]

Mage players are smart and overwhelm blizzard with big words and math

[flat willow]

I thought they overwhelmed blizzard with tears

[vital summit]

I lvled my shammy yesterday and I feel like when I freshly hit 80, I'll do same damage as my 613ilvl arms

[vast surge]

It's a collective effort

The tears sells the big words and math

[boreal quartz]

My 600 ilvl enhas tempest hits harder than any ms ive cast

8 mil is my highest ms

12 tempest on random mob

[crimson steppe]

was the upcoming tuning planned? or was it a reponse to the community outrage lol

[next flame]

In all fairness look at skyhold before major patch or expansion we do more math than mages and warlocks combined

[vital summit]

poping ascendance and spamming the Stormstrike replacement feels amazing

[crimson steppe]

if its the former i don't see much beyond an aura buff

they said they need "more data" well it's not beta anymore

[vital summit]

It's like spamming demolish every couple seconds passively

[boreal quartz]

That used to be back to back eb/blord procs

[vast surge]

True, I don't dispute that, but we're not the main character so it's obviously for nought.

[flat willow]

that used to be tactician proc back when it gave you colossus smash

[vital summit]

yea casting base MS without milion modifiers it has is like a mild slap

[crimson steppe]

revert arms to Legion

[boreal quartz]

Delete arms so i can unsub

[next flame]

Even to df hero talents be damned

[vital summit]

just get rid of OP and execute buffing MS by 60 and 70%...

and make MS do actual damage

[crimson steppe]

MS hits for like 350k without any mods lol

[vital summit]

I don't mind if the modifiers were like 5% or something but 30% on OP and 35% on execute is stupid

[flat willow]

that's the best part

[vital summit]

• 4p set bonus

[flat willow]

back when cs gave you 50% more damage for your next ms

and EP was 150%

[crimson steppe]

^ and passive sweeping strikes

[zenith dagger]

what if ms buffed ms

[crimson steppe]

and unhinged working with sweeping strikes

[flat willow]

and then battlecry for guaranteed crit

5MILLION DAMAGE MORTAL STRIKE

[crimson steppe]

ToS set bonus 🤯

[vital summit]

nah that would make us viable

better nerf slayer

[crimson steppe]

Slayer should have Execute like Condemn, working til 80% hp

[next flame]

The fact that cleave can hit on single target harder than ms says it all

[vital summit]

cleave should be baseline

[crimson steppe]

only part I enjoy of current arms is the Reap procs feel good when they happen

[vast surge]

been saying that for years

[zenith dagger]

make execute do crazy dam in slayer make ms do crazy dam in col

[vital summit]

make slayer lean more into execute and colossus into MS/Cleave

[crimson steppe]

Slayer could have whirlwind talents, and just go full spin to win

[vital summit]

see? we have same isdeas

[crimson steppe]

I miss old FoB

[zenith dagger]

make slayer the whole boss is exec window

[crimson steppe]

let Colossus be more of a master at arms with cleave

[vital summit]

WARRIORS
TOGETHER
STRONG

[next flame]

Old FoB got the fun detected treatment

[vast surge]

That hot minute we were dumping rage in with whirlwind + FoB at the start of S3 DF was fun

[zenith dagger]

two hero talents with slightly diff style is peak design honestly

[vital summit]

TBH Thane and Slayer are almost the same

[zenith dagger]

ya but arms aint much better

[vital summit]

rendom proc that makes your ability do more damage

[next flame]

Colossus and slayer are almost the same

Colossus and thane are almost the same

[vast surge]

It's a big pot of sameness

[vital summit]

we can only hope for a total rework

[zenith dagger]

when slayer got announced i was like hell ya more execute focused and bs in st now

but who was i to get excited abt war

[vital summit]

TBH if there was an actual dev, there would be Mountain King, Blademaster and Gladiator spec instead of the random shit we got

[vast surge]

as soon as I realised Demolish was going to be Fyra'lath

[vital summit]

thane-king - potato-tomato
Slayer - Blademaster
Colossus - Gladiator

[zenith dagger]

i dont hate demolish but yk if arms wasnt so clunky

[vital summit]

and it would FUCKING FIT

[next flame]

Demolish is abyssmal

[vital summit]

backed by lore and past game builds

[vast surge]

What is lore?

[nova marsh]

Aems.is abysmal

[zenith dagger]

make it so u just are slow during the channel and so it actually hits

[vital summit]

IDK, shadowlands killed it

[nova marsh]

Were fucked until rework in the last titan

[zenith dagger]

i love hitting demolish for less than 2 mil

[vital summit]

At least make the 3rd hit actually happen even if the target moves 1 milimeter

[nova marsh]

Guys were gonna get gta 6 before a rework

....holy fuck

[vast surge]

You mean the retroactive continuity of the Jailer playing 4D chess wasn't good storytelling?

[vital summit]

AND GET RID OF THE FUCKING REND/SKS

[nova marsh]

Rend is fine

[next flame]

Dont touch rend alo

[zenith dagger]

u dont like hitting a button just cuz ur low on rage?

[nova marsh]

Fuck sks

[vital summit]

or bake SKS into demolish or something, just get rid of that button

[vast surge]

they could make SKS a passive so when you CS, your bleeds either bleed out quicker or deal increased damage

[zenith dagger]

make demolish just kill the boss

[nova marsh]

Like I don't know how many hoops I can huno through to justify b3ing a warrior in general

[next flame]

But maybe (i know this is borderline heresy but) can we get back bfa/sl rend? The one where gave us 10% crit dmg

[vital summit]

SKS on CS/warbreaker or demolish would at least buff AoE a bit

[nova marsh]

Sure, give us more crit damage amos

Add it to the pile

[next flame]

Look whatever fixes arms at this point

Even if they turn us into full on dot spec again

[zenith dagger]

just give me df s4 arms and call it a day anything is better than this

[nova marsh]

I'm convinced warrior needs to be remade from the ground up

Expect prot

Scrap. Evreything. You failed

[next flame]

Prot gameplay is horrible aswell fury is the only one that can be salvaged

[nova marsh]

At least prot does it's job well

[next flame]

Cause it's properly tuned still ass to play

[nova marsh]

Like dude, when people say warrior is the worst class in the game they aren't lying

[flat willow]

hmmm

[nova marsh]

We bring nothing helpful

[flat willow]

let me think

warlock also could be the worst class in the game

[zenith dagger]

the diff is warlock will get buffed

[nova marsh]

Gate and a cr

[flat willow]

its a fight between warrior and warlock imo

[nova marsh]

And some usable utility

Warrior has the literal worst group wide in the entire game

And bshout

The thing is no matter how down bad locks are, they still have a reason to be brought

[balmy kindle]

Idk about you but being a rock slave is pretty bad

[nova marsh]

This is also true lol

[next flame]

Same for warrior bullshit shout keeping us away from the bench since 2004

[balmy kindle]

Also they have no tank spec to fall back to

[nova marsh]

See but the thing is

They get buffs and changes

Meanwhile arms just gets stray nerfs for no reason cuz fury dared to be food

[balmy kindle]

Only destro and Aff, pretty sure demonology ppl have given up

[nova marsh]

Sadge cuz I like demo

[balmy kindle]

Demo only had some periods where they were good in DF S2 iirc

[next flame]

Demo has been the goat for 2 exp whaaat

[balmy kindle]

Yeah but Aff and destro were competitive as well whilst being easier to play

[next flame]

Yea but still since sl s2 demo was the go to spec and they'll fix it for s2 tww

[nova marsh]

They'll fix it before warrior

That's for sure

Best we got was a color change on spear lmao

I want to have hope for arms

[next flame]

Could've been worse!

[nova marsh]

I really, really do

But holy fuck the instant were on par in st with fury it's just

[next flame]

Imagine we got maldraxus banner and had to buff the boomies

[nova marsh]

Kind of done

[balmy kindle]

I can tell you your average fury pug is not critcake and he will do half Ur dmg

Like I only got beat by a fury once and man was like 630 with 2 636 weapons and a 636 sacrbrood and skarmoraks

[nova marsh]

Ur average lug couldn't break 1 mill at 610 as ele

[balmy kindle]

Lil bro needed to touch grass

[balmy kindle]

Yes so just play the spec you like really, the players you get on average are pretty laughable

[nova marsh]

I like having actual single target in keys

But with how dead slayer is that dosent feel realistic lol

[vast surge]

Is this the real life?...

[nova marsh]

My escape from reality is enhance

And that shit is getting nerfed for sharing an N page with ele

[balmy kindle]

Idk about you but you will probably realize enhance has a rather strict rotation aka it's hard to do Ur Sims damage

Unlike say Ret or FDK

[nova marsh]

Good thing I'm not aiming for sim damage?

And yeah it is

[thick kelp]

Stormstrike

"strict"

[nova marsh]

But honestly fuck it

[balmy kindle]

I mean you have to hit buttons fast

[nova marsh]

At least I might get some more invites

[boreal quartz]

Enha rota is about as much as slayer fury trying to tryhard sd+opport

Which isnt nothing isnt everything

I dont like how fire dogs can change spender prio (in m+ st)

[nova marsh]

How thou

[boreal quartz]

You do or dont cast ele blast

[thick kelp]

Gm Philzare

[boreal quartz]

Depends on dogs

GM walhe

[thick kelp]

do i Gear my split fodder enha

it has 4p

[nova marsh]

You use lavaburst? Shit I was told that crap wasn't even needed to be bound

[boreal quartz]

Ele blast replaces lb

So you get 2 charges

[nova marsh]

I've seen several builds not using ele blast

[boreal quartz]

Yes and using ele on 2 fire in st is a large gain for m+ build

For a small aoe tradeoff

It's like 3% or so st

IIRC

[vast surge]

Critcake's last video was hilarious

[nova marsh]

Yeah I noticed the st was crap

I'll try it out tomorrow

[steep osprey]

Yeah you use elemental blast if you have +4 dogs

[somber dome]

with the 4 set in execute phase at 35% do you just spam execute and then overpower into mortal strike with 2 stacks of lethal blows, or do you alternate between execute and overpower until you have 2 stacks of lethal blows and then mortal strike? Also do you disregard bladestorm during this time or actually prio it over the before mentioned?

[thick kelp]

All these questions are answered in the guide

[somber dome]

im asking for clarity since i saw a guide on youtube that says something else

[river ridge]

You send MS with x2 Executioner's Precison and x2 Lethal Blows. Only other time you send MS in execute Phase is if your Rend is about to fall off.

[somber dome]

thank you!

[thick kelp]

Bladestorm at 2xEP and only inside Cs

[teal fossil]

FYI do not trust youtube

they are right most of the time, but youtube videos cannot be updated and can be outdated as a result

text guides are mostly up to date

[slow saddle]

to suck entire expansion ?

[vague nova]

I love seeing colo spike so high In m+ but it drops so fast ):

[worldly kernel]

its cool for 2 seconds its like gambling dopamine then you start dooming when an ele shaman does 12mil in 2 seconds and stays like that

[fickle lotus]

My overall is as Col is always higher then Fury.

Even tho my Gear is much better for Fury.
Idk Man, after the Burst you dont do anything for 90 Sec

[balmy kindle]

I think most top fury have mark of khan or skarmoraks which gives them ridiculous burst lol

Like you are not replicating those numbers

[worldly kernel]

I mean you're entire job as the arms warr if you're playing collo is you're blowing up a priority add so you don't deal with it

you press 1 button and do 6 mil dps to an add that won't cast like a big harmful spell*

[fickle lotus]

I have a 619 Mark but im like 200K behind from my Col DPS

[worldly kernel]

also some dungeons i just refuse to play demolish on

[fickle lotus]

I easyly reach 1.7overall as Col while struggling to get to 1.5 as Fury

[balmy kindle]

Oof, that's tough, I am 621 using mandate and orators and fury Sims worse for me too but it's likely because I am crit haste

[worldly kernel]

another thing too that col has a problem with is rage, especially if you're not running with a shaman for windfury

[fickle lotus]

Im speaking only M+

[worldly kernel]

you don't have the luxury of sitting there and getting free rage as slayer and just kinda mindlessly going through a rotation, you also need to be really mindful of what you're sending on packs and when

[fickle lotus]

Yeah you are rage starved sometimes. Its annoying. Also the Design of Demo itself sucks.

I missed so many 3rd Hits of Demo because out of Range

[balmy kindle]

Haha same, you get used to it though

I wish it's like a cone ability for sure

Like blade dance / eye beam

[worldly kernel]

demo is fine it just takes getting used to, a thing I actually started running is bloodsurge the rage is pretty good, you just have to take off a point in bloodborne or deft which kind of sucks though

[balmy kindle]

Run battlelord maybe

[worldly kernel]

i'd have to remove too many points to get to it

[balmy kindle]

The no execute build is pretty rad for m+ (boss dmg is donkey balls but really still passable)

[fickle lotus]

Battlelord is the play for sure as Col imO.

[slow saddle]

for feels yes for dmg no ?

Dno man boss dmg in + 10s Rly matter

[worldly kernel]

there's no real good way to take it you're already strapped for talent points, you either run with absolutely no execute damage or you get rid of cleave damage in big packs and get rid of bloodletting

[slow saddle]

Battlelord should be removed

Juggernaut should be removed

battlelord baseline

OR moved

[fickle lotus]

signed

[slow saddle]

Juggernaut should be When u SD proc u also slam ground for AOE effect

the season 3 affix

By removing Juggernaut u would ofc buff Execute to the 45% of juggernaut

i want a SD proc to be dopamine hit nr 1

so ground gets slammed and mob gets a slam

[worldly kernel]

Make overpower cost rage and give it damage bonus if you have 2 stacks of martial so you're only pressing it one time but you're still getting a secondary benefit aka them screwing up AM, buff EP where it stacks 2 more times, jugg needs to stack like 3-4 more times. then you just fixed a lot of shortcomings

[vital summit]

nah, make OP stack work on execute too and nerf baseline Exe accordingly

[boreal quartz]

U can make sd feel very good by making ur wa do chaching

[vital summit]

so we have to stack stacks of stacks so our abilities can do something

[balmy kindle]

The problem with Colo executes in keys is that yo just run out of rage without CT

[worldly kernel]

thats why you run a shaman when you run arms windfury procs a lot

[balmy kindle]

Like it Sims great but damn It plays really bad

[slow saddle]

nono

all this is wrong

u do not want to add more amps

[balmy kindle]

I think without CT rage economy is still kind of horrible though in my experience

[worldly kernel]

what would you change

[slow saddle]

amps is the bane of our exsitence

reduce martial prowess

to 10% per stack

[vital summit]

more amps!

[slow saddle]

buff MS accordingly

this way Execute MS is a lot bigger

than outside

[vital summit]

put amps on slam, CS and WW

[worldly kernel]

youre the first person ive ever seen disagree with something i'll put in and actually give an opinion on how to change it, usually people just say " hot take " and say something dumb

[slow saddle]

ep is fine

juggernaut needs to be GONE

as it fucks baseline execute

[worldly kernel]

legion jug

[slow saddle]

was not balanced

[worldly kernel]

it would be cool if they just completely changed it back to where abilities actually hit hard

[slow saddle]

so if they just removed juggernaut

buffed execute 45%

would mean SD proc = AWESOME

[fickle lotus]

Also bring back WoD Exe Sound Man !!!

[vital summit]

bake battlelord into OP, remove the amps and Cleave baseline

[fickle lotus]

It sounded SHATTERING

[slow saddle]

lets not remove EP

ep is good

[balmy kindle]

Would be nice to change mastery to something else

[slow saddle]

but the OP amp is silly

[balmy kindle]

Deep wounds as it stands is hard to balance and kind of eh( still remembered the times where deep wounds was #1 or 2 in our damage )

[slow saddle]

i mean i like that its a bleed

[vital summit]

one amp is fine

3 is stupid

[slow saddle]

yeah i mean OP amp is also ok

but its like 60%

like if it was 2 x 10 %

then it would be small buff for a bit more dmg

[fickle lotus]

EP was a good back then and its still. It gives "some" Variance for Exe Phase. Pherhaps let it stack to 3 is a good Idea?!

[slow saddle]

id say 2 is enough of u end up with bad pvp things

ofc it could stack 2 x pvp 3 x pvp

but all the issues is usually when blizzard gives us 3

they just nerf the % of each

which is a fuck u

[vital summit]

martial prowess > 60%, EP > 70%....

it should be like 30% total

[balmy kindle]

I mean with 3 it means crits will just instagib folks

[slow saddle]

exactly 😄

[slow saddle]

nah EP is 70 = good

if the other was only 20%

then u get Biggiesmalls MS in execute

which is sexy as fuck

but atm its a million amps to be succesfull

[fickle lotus]

Give EP 30% extra CritChance per Stack

[slow saddle]

no

dont devalue crit

for that to have value we would have to have crit dmg = crit chance thingy

[vital summit]

ye but now we have amps on MS and amps on Execute

[slow saddle]

ye so remove execute amp

buff baseline execute

[vital summit]

execute or MS should do massive damage

[slow saddle]

well execute should do massive dmg

Un amped

MS should do massive dmg with Execute amps on

that way sd procs are dope as fuck

coz u get both buffed before 35%

[vital summit]

I'd rather MS do big D damage so battlelord + colossus feels powerfull

while slayer would pump amped executes

[teal fossil]

Slayer is meant for sudden death

Not execute

I would like to play the game pre 35 thank you very much

[thick kelp]

Slayer hsould be

meant for Execute

But its meant for Bladestorm under the disguise of "hey guys this is definetly your execute focused hero tree like we advertise it as"

[teal fossil]

Well no

We know from day 1 that slayer isn’t execute

No one said it was

[vital summit]

Colossus: spam mortal strikes/ cleaves to pump demolish as frequently as possible
Slayer: Amp Execute into oblivion and then unload single target disenchant Execute

[teal fossil]

Neither did archi nor blizzard

It’s very clearly a bladestorm spec

[quasi torrent]

its zzzz yes

[vital summit]

also make unhinged cast execute instead of MS (for slayer)

[teal fossil]

I don’t want my hero spec to be off before 35%

[sacred zodiac]

sudden death is a thing

[thick kelp]

I am pretty sure in the original bluepost when Blizzard introduced Slayer they said that it is an Execute focused hero talent tree for Arms and Fury warriors

[teal fossil]

I think we just assumed that since when they revealed colossus it had no execute

Thane had no execute

So we just assumed

[vague nova]

I know stacking modifiers is bad, but If they made MS buff execute damage, so exe and ms looped into eachother, would that help fix the execute spam we have now? Lead to more MS on CD even in execute and OP could be true filler as well?

Or would that make execute feel bad to play somehow

[astral talon]

the only thing that's execute based is juggernaut 😦

[teal fossil]

Sudden death can only proc so much before your rotation is eaten up by it

[vital summit]

also holding off Sudden Death for Marked for Execution amps feels counterintuitive

If it lights up, I want to press it and feel the impact

[teal fossil]

Technically you want to hold it to game juggernaut uptime anyways

Even without mfe

And holding sd for mfe is more of a fury thing

[teal fossil]

Yes if that replaced juggernaut

It would not be bad at all

The only issue is that it would make sudden death too strong but whatever

[fickle lotus]

@astral talon Do you play WB as Col in M+ ?

[thick kelp]

Give s3 tierset

and replace jugg

with that

[astral talon]

ue

ye

[vital summit]

Jugg should burn in hell

[vague nova]

I’d be fine “normalizing” jug damage into flat execute damage instead vs trying to manage jug in a PUG too😂

[vital summit]

jugg punishes target swapping and shorter fights (m+)

[teal fossil]

Jug is our punishment for the legion video

[fickle lotus]

Juggernaut is the biggest F in history. Point.

[teal fossil]

People want the ramp up fantasy

[vital summit]

I never liked Jugg

[vague nova]

Also having to waste GCD’s on a low hp mob to not drop stacks instead of pumping more prio damage as slayer feels horrible

[quasi torrent]

noooo not the video

[flat willow]

"people"

are those so called people even playing woyer

[quasi torrent]

Unfortunately yes

[teal fossil]

Yes

The video gets linked here once a week

[quasi torrent]

i dont think that's true

[teal fossil]

You are just not online enough

Jk yeah I’m exaggerating

[quasi torrent]

u aren't

it's over

[quasi torrent]

im terminally online

[flat willow]

we are doomed

the question is, why is arms suffering for the sins of fury

[teal fossil]

Ok it’s about 3 times a month

[vital summit]

or make reverse Juggernaut so it starts massive and drops off more you use it

[flat willow]

[teal fossil]

Sounds actually insane for m+ lol

I’m down

[vital summit]

actually

I might have fixed it

[teal fossil]

PvP may be in shambles

But that’s not my problem

[vital summit]

instead of refreshing stacks, you would just reset

[teal fossil]

A lot of arms players like it too

[flat willow]

warrior players may truly be the dumbest playerbase, I always coped it was paladin

[teal fossil]

Partly because of bfa/sl

With lucid dreams+tom execute

And then sl added on with condemn

[flat willow]

ahhh tom, how I hate you

BFA has crippled arms forever

it will never recover

[astral talon]

Who the fuck thought that reworking the best spec in the game was a good idea

[flat willow]

ion

[astral talon]

Legion arms was so incredibly smooth

Okey, maybe some things could be tuned

Or slightly changed

Like fucking sweeping strikes

[flat willow]

well not just ion, he was just the spokesperson

[astral talon]

But full rework was a slap in the face

[teal fossil]

Isn’t lucid dreams the main culprit

Because it let you jam execute forever

[flat willow]

but sadly blizzard decided that off gcd abilities weren't allowed in the game in bfa

[astral talon]

Meanwhile fury got better and better xD

[teal fossil]

Tom is just a byproduct

[astral talon]

Focused rage my beloved

[vital summit]

ToM was azerite trait if I remember correctly

[teal fossil]

Yeah

[flat willow]

not just focused rage

[teal fossil]

Lucid dreams fed you infinite rage

[vital summit]

fucking BFA

[teal fossil]

Tom turned infinite rage into damage

[flat willow]

if anything focused rage was collateral damage. Bfa killed arms by simply removing battlecry, putting colossus smash in its place

and putting overpower in cs' old place

but you can't just put a spell that was the core part of your rotation as your burst and call it a day

fury would suck too if tomorrow blizzard decided to remove recklessness and say rampage is your burst now

[vital summit]

I didn't like mastery - CS interaction in Legion

[astral talon]

It was bad at the start

Later on it was changed and was very consistent

[vital summit]

CS made you do 90% more damage and hit like wet noodle when you didn't have it

[flat willow]

Getting a proc of overpower isn't the same as getting a proc of colossus smash

who the fuck gets dopamine when they can press garbage overpower

now getting a proc of cs?

[vital summit]

yes and not getting CS reset for 1 minute makes you rage quit to prot

[teal fossil]

Then you need a dopamine reset

[daring heron]

[flat willow]

you knew you were about to crank that souljaboy

[daring heron]

legion arms

[teal fossil]

Too bad there’s no good legion private servers

[flat willow]

that was fixed in tomb of soakgeras, but also in tomb focused rage was dead

[astral talon]

Double EP, battlecry, cs right before mortal

[flat willow]

so you take the good and the bad

[vital summit]

9.0 Arms had the worst RNG

[astral talon]

And you knew you were jumping 3 spots on dps meter

[flat willow]

nighthold was a great middlepoint

but everyone played fury for draught of souls

I don't blame them, man that trinket felt great

[vital summit]

you had to have the right legiondary or else make a new warrior or unplayable

[flat willow]

that was most specs

[quasi torrent]

this is wrong

Fury was better without dos

[flat willow]

legendaries are easily the worst part of legion

[teal fossil]

I’m assuming you meant 7.0

[quasi torrent]

and worked better dmg pattern wise in the raid

[astral talon]

even without legendaries you could play it

i did

[teal fossil]

Shadowlands leggo drop was essentially free

[astral talon]

didnt have good leggos till tomb

[thick kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267940564832354304/1286260904736067658/heart-locket.gif

[teal fossil]

You just needed to grind choreghast

[flat willow]

better damage pattern I believe you

[vital summit]

Idk, Legion launch D:

[quasi torrent]

top to bottom lego diff in EN was like 30%

it was not okay

[flat willow]

but what trinket would you even use without draught

[quasi torrent]

arcano

[flat willow]

impossible

[vital summit]

Legion jumpscare:

[astral talon]

ye but the gameplay was still fine

[quasi torrent]

i swapped back to arcano the second they put draught on gcd

me when i lie

[thick kelp]

Youtube ?

[flat willow]

the gameplay wasn't fine either

[quasi torrent]

gloves and ring made the spec

[flat willow]

without bis legs you were a rage starved bitch

[quasi torrent]

in EN

Then ring got shot

[flat willow]

like big depression

[vital summit]

As I said, 1 minute without CS reset made me rage quit to prot

[soft fox]

antorus fury was the best fury

[flat willow]

just like you couldn't maintain breath of syndragosa as frost without bis legs

[flat willow]

damn I hate legion legendaries

could have been the best expansion without the rng

[quasi torrent]

Thing with draught is, it was good but it also had an insane opportunity cost
you pressed the button did X dmg, but instead u couldve pressed 1 ramp 2 rbs and did X*0.7 dmg

It was really not nearly as good as people make it out to be

moonglaives in tomb on the other hand

Offglobal, aoe

[soft fox]

scales with battle cry\

[quasi torrent]

Everything did then

[vital summit]

but feeling of pressing Battle cry and DoS was amazing

[flat willow]

everything scaled with battle cry

[quasi torrent]

that's why nothing does anymore

us, rogues and fire mages

are responsible

[soft fox]

legion bomb trinket

from antorus

[quasi torrent]

BOMBA

I only had it on lfr and was gear swapping in dungeons with it still

Cause u couldn't loot it as melee

[soft fox]

ye

had it in hc

get gear swapping back in m+

[flat willow]

I miss legion almost as much as I hate it

what a weird feeling

[vital summit]

Legion fixed Legiondaries in the last patch that's why people like it

[thick kelp]

Anda thoughts on Arms warrior compendium

[quasi torrent]

i think gear swapping is kinda degen

however

Their reasoning for removing it was ridiculous
+
I think optimisations like that can be quite fun.

[quasi torrent]

King doc

[astral talon]

similar to shadowlands i guess

[vital summit]

they were broken whole expac

[astral talon]

many miss shadowlands, many hate it

[quasi torrent]

???

slands has like 5% proponents max

[flat willow]

no because I fucking hate shadowlands

[astral talon]

xd

[quasi torrent]

while legion has A LOT

[astral talon]

my guildies all enjoyed shadowlands haha

well, most

[vital summit]

I miss when spell reflect lasted and reflected everything for 5 sec

[thick kelp]

Shadowlands enthusiast

[quasi torrent]

they just enjoyed it cause they wrre locked in due to covid

and slands made them talk to friends

[astral talon]

lmao maybe

[vital summit]

reflect legiondary + Maw first boss goes brrrrrrr

[thick kelp]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e2yNSETe1RrFPe5upmuhGxi1-nF3wFyJYHGcgMlir0Y/preview?tab=t.0

[astral talon]

but except for covenants swap cooldown

and well, same negative shit as legion

[quasi torrent]

the maw

torghast

[astral talon]

shadowlands was a solid expansion

[quasi torrent]

korthia

dogshit classes

[astral talon]

maw i liked a lot lmao

[quasi torrent]

horrendous balance

[vital summit]

Lore

[flat willow]

druids with convoc the spirit

[astral talon]

but I also had a druid homie being my mount

[flat willow]

[vital summit]

breast milk drama

[flat willow]

complete retcon of the scourge

kel'thuzad being brought back to humiliate him

what has kel'thuzad ever done to the blizzard devs???

[astral talon]

what has garrosh done?

[vital summit]

Top notch Garrosh cinematic

[astral talon]

at least he went away angry as fuck

[flat willow]

I felt sad for the poor guy begging for his life like he wasn't one of the biggest bad guy of the story

reforging the helm of domination into a level 30 green quest gear

some guy at blizzard must really hate warcraft 3

[tired sinew]

did they suddenely remove the animation for sweeping strike execute?

[cloud gyro]

its still the best expansion even with the rng

[cloud gyro]

happy mistake

[tired sinew]

not happy. now i need to manually see if my sweeping strikes went off haha

[astral talon]

yep

[dapper juniper]

guys

[flat willow]

Nah best expansion is mop

[cloud gyro]

did 1.7 mil overall in mists yday, was promising

[flat willow]

Numéro uno

[cloud gyro]

then i look at my ele in grp

[dapper juniper]

should i use colosos before blade storm for single target?

[cloud gyro]

2.7mil overall

[dapper juniper]

always?

[cloud gyro]

mop is goated too

but there was no m+

[cloud gyro]

yes always

but dont hold for too long

[dapper juniper]

is there any tips and trick guys

for raid arms

dps single

[cloud gyro]

storm bolt while bladestorming

[livid cloak]

[cloud gyro]

mortal strike -> overpower -> slam/rend -> overpower -> mortal strike

instead of using overpower 2x in a row

common mistake

[livid cloak]

What

There's nothing wrong with using op twice in a row

[thick kelp]

you shuold use op twice in a row

issa more damage

[livid cloak]

Its a higher priority button than slam

[solar quarry]

Really excited to start progging Kyveza

I got the spot over the other warr cos I play arms

Little do they know

[thick kelp]

[solar quarry]

Fortunately there’s a huuuuuge 2 targ cleave fight coming. I’ll be top there right? Right?

[thick kelp]

[sharp wyvern]

Is it cleave on mythic

Cause I don't think so

[solar quarry]

Oh I actually don’t know lol, maybe you don’t tank together

[sharp wyvern]

Its actually a fury fight cause scarabs

Or whatever those fixate bugs are

[solar quarry]

By the time we see silken court they’ll probs nerf battleshout so we won’t need a warrior anyway

[thick kelp]

its actually furyf fight cuz thane does damage

in 2t

horror

[sharp wyvern]

Do not look at silken court statistics warriors are sandbagging

[solar quarry]

If warriors sandbagged we should of done it week 1

[sharp wyvern]

Week0

No public logs for arms on ansurekt

Clueless

Arms owns on that fight and they don't know

[strange perch]

Sure.

[slow saddle]

Thane fight just clap !

[wild kernel]

By "owns" he means mediocre if played well

[cloud gyro]

by "owns" he means owns

[flat holly]

Arms is doing less damage on ST than fury atm?

[flat holly]

Oof.

Glad I’m in a casual guild doesn’t care much about meta.

[icy mulch]

At this point is Fury even floating still?

[cloud gyro]

less damage than any spec actually!

[regal birch]

about that my friend

[solar quarry]

Yeah I heard

Game is cooked

[regal birch]

with adds being back in the menu on rashanan even there arms is out

[solar quarry]

I already made a ret

[regal birch]

where do you even play arms while contributing to the raid? sikran?

its only sikran right?

[balmy kindle]

There's next Tuesday

Also, there's prot warrior

[regal birch]

surely blizz will buff us after they nerfed us this week SURELY

[daring heron]

arms is a spec?

[regal birch]

is a lifestyle

[balmy kindle]

Well if they don't Imma go destroy pugs running Colo prot on keys

Not my key not my problem

[regal birch]

prot is the way you say?

[balmy kindle]

Yes because all keys need tanks

[regal birch]

bein real here i dont feel good taking the responsiblities of a tank

[balmy kindle]

Don't care W key press demolish

[regal birch]

maybe ill try haha

[balmy kindle]

I mean, you only need mythic vault and glided crest unless you are the 0.1%, so screw em

[regal birch]

mythic statistics looking rly funny

i wonder if that happened bc of the 5 nerfs we got

na cant be that surely was just balance

[balmy kindle]

Heroic is probably more relevant but even then we are not doing hot

[regal birch]

idk problem with heroic is that everything dies too fast and its not a real estimate

probably why fury got clapped

but mythic has not enough data aswell

id say

[finite wasp]

we had our moment in prepatch

at least

now we just like... exist.

[balmy kindle]

Iike majority of the players won't get to play mythic until cross realms are a thing anyways

So personally idgaf, too old for this

[finite wasp]

but like a shitty existence

[regal birch]

that is removed since tww

its crossrealm all the time but i guess you mean less ppl play mythic

[balmy kindle]

Mb, I thought it's like the old days where u need hof

[regal birch]

until they catch up with gear

[balmy kindle]

Is it cross faction as well

[regal birch]

yes

guild faction is decided by the guildleaders faction that is all

[flat willow]

ahhhhh I remember the time when arms' gameplay was so good you'd play it even if fury outperformed simply for the joy of being arms

Feels like forever ago

[finite wasp]

its too bad

[solar quarry]

Critcake showing up in arms just to say “arms is a spec” and leaving

Someone help us please

😭😭😭

[flat willow]

based critcake

[finite wasp]

we just exist thats it

That's the only thing that i will acknowledge it for.

[balmy kindle]

Well at least now if you gap someone you know that guys bad

" anyone below me please download heiiki thanks "

[dapper juniper]

we use skul splitter under 35%?

raid single

[thick kelp]

Yes whne rage is below 90

[balmy kindle]

Reroll outlaw

[flat willow]

BUT HOW

[slow saddle]

Arms good

We almost beat frostmage!

[balmy kindle]

Imma give them the next week before rerolling

[slow saddle]

Heck arms isnt only bout dmg more how bad it plays as wll as bad dmg

[slow saddle]

As fury if i remove details. I feel like im.smashing

[fresh spire]

The players are as dead as the specs dps

[gaunt owl]

unoreversed the graph

[fresh spire]

We couldn't win dps so we won dps (deaths per second)

[thick kelp]

its deaths horror

[balmy kindle]

Surprising how mages die so much

[thick kelp]

Too many active defensives over passive ones

[balmy kindle]

Considering it's the statistics from top 25%

[thick kelp]

they dont rmbr to press them

[balmy kindle]

What do you mean, top 25% can't press alter time

[toxic night]

what even is that

[thick kelp]

Average deaths

aka which class dies the most

[toxic night]

ah makes sense

[finite wasp]

shows how trash warr is

[vital summit]

brown bar biggest, we stronk

[thick kelp]

the only dps chart where we can win like fishy said

[finite wasp]

[balmy kindle]

Too many deaths on mages, they need more buffs

[halcyon valve]

arms eternally punished for being good for 2 weeks of raid

[thick kelp]

arms eternally punished for Fury being good for 2 days of raid

[balmy kindle]

The silver lining: 20th anniversary is on so gearing alts is kind of easy ?

No changes next week = only raid log + prot 10 keys for vault

[slow saddle]

Imma craft a 636 shield

And just tank as well

[balmy kindle]

Feel ya man, I crafted a 636 2h last week and logged in to sadness

[slow saddle]

I did that

But.my thoughts now are

Shield with ascendance

And bracers werent a bad craft

Then open vault as fury, get a 1h coz thats how i roll

And now im uber tank that will never go above 10

And just do ara + mist + dawn🤣

[balmy kindle]

Same for me in pug keys lol. Thank goodness my guildies let me play arms

[slow saddle]

In keys???

[balmy kindle]

Yes

[slow saddle]

My guild just do keys when im not online🤣

But ehm does any1 know of a decent chill m+ community?

[royal escarp]

I switch tank for this week hopping we get an up

[slow saddle]

Tankin as prot asndecent

I just dont like the style🤣

[balmy kindle]

Colo prot

[slow saddle]

Havent tried

[buoyant cargo]

Welcome to the club. Did 8x 10mists as prot and logged off till id reset.

[balmy kindle]

So u can mock DPS below you

[slow saddle]

I thought it was always thanw

[balmy kindle]

It u wanna tryhard yes but if I am tanking I am pugging= I want fun

[slow saddle]

Least fun is dieing thoygh

[royal escarp]

I try some 11 with moutain thane and it s not as hard as i thought

[balmy kindle]

Yeah but it's not your key, also prot is still relatively tanky

As long as you press buttons

[slow saddle]

And dont use a 598 shield

U feel the.difference in block value

[balmy kindle]

Been there done that

[slow saddle]

I still do🤣🤣

[balmy kindle]

616 applying with 598 shield

[slow saddle]

598 weap + shield

[balmy kindle]

The irony is they will still take you because there no tanks

[slow saddle]

Yeye

[balmy kindle]

It's either 2 hours of wait or lets give this guy a go

[slow saddle]

Pug tanking though

Dpsers arw retarddd

No interrupts

[balmy kindle]

Yeap but it's not your problem anymore

Brown class no utility? Oh wait

[slow saddle]

As tank u die

Ill try col tank😁

[balmy kindle]

Thane is definitely more tanky but colo can do some bonk dmg

[slow saddle]

🤣

Thane allready bomks

[balmy kindle]

The sneaky thing with Colo is that it makes revenge hurt alot

[vivid spade]

Is there talent builds pinned somewhere ?

[balmy kindle]

Now whether you should press it is up to you

[tacit crystal]

#dps-faq

[vivid spade]

Ty

[zenith crystal]

Takes away from the clappa. Can’t do it

[balmy kindle]

Why subject yourself to cuckery when you can limit test spamming revenge and making your pug healer and DPS sweat

[zenith crystal]

Bc I found a guild Resto shaman I’m adopting.

[balmy kindle]

Don't do it to guildies of course but Idc about how the average pug feels

[zenith crystal]

DPS I don’t care about, a healer that isn’t eating crayons? Priceless.

I’d colo for guild DPS

[balmy kindle]

Like if blizz is not gonna fix our spec don't blame us for being toxic

Not like blizzard cares about tank privilege

[zenith crystal]

I was full on invading pugs last night as a 2.2k 4 stack lmao

[wanton sierra]

so we are gettin buffs next week??? omg hypers

[zenith crystal]

Got my GM his SV 8 run

[balmy kindle]

It's fun no? They either take you or they wait for eternity

[zenith crystal]

I watched people get kicked for us. It was beautiful

[balmy kindle]

And key holder is pinning his hopes on you being good

[balmy kindle]

If you were DPS you would be the one kicked

But alas, prot privilege

[zenith crystal]

I was tanking, why tf would I DPS war in keys

I brought an UH DK and a BM Hunter

[balmy kindle]

Well you are the tank you get to bring whoever you like

Key holder be like at least the 4 stack is in Comms

[zenith crystal]

Imagine if we weren’t tho lmao

I’d be pissed as the key holder

[balmy kindle]

Well the next lobby is 3 mins for you

While the key holder is stuck waiting

He then looks at wow vendor and contemplates what he's doing

[zenith crystal]

I’m just trying to get portals man

that’s about it

[balmy kindle]

Gl, I only play for vault and crests

Not worth sweating for 3000

[tacit crystal]

my aug needs god

[zenith crystal]

We’ll get there. 10 World Tour is pretty free as prot. I just need to grind it out.

And gets KSH

[tacit crystal]

i need to grind out +12s on my warrior but i cba now

there are still +4 months

also havent put in any research into routes

[zenith crystal]

Right, I’ll care about that when I’m at crest cap and 628

I just need ret Palis to actually respect LoS pulls then I’m chillin

[golden smelt]

I've got three more 11's before I'm onto the 12's. I feel like it's going to take me until next Xmas with the decline simulator the way it is currently

[balmy kindle]

If DPS your only options is friends or guildies

Otherwise it's all prot now

[tacit crystal]

it get into 11/12s free as prot

[zenith crystal]

(I don’t even bring DPS warriors)

[tacit crystal]

it doesnt fundamentally change

im still unkillable

[zenith crystal]

What I lvl are you?

[tacit crystal]

627 as prot

but my tankiness hasnt changed in like 10 ilevels

im just a better tank the more i play

because i dont play tank

[zenith crystal]

Ok that checks out, I’m 622 and haven’t really limit tested, but rarely get low/killed.

[balmy kindle]

My guildie runs bear and it's funny how much bs you can get away with prot compared to the others

Blocking for one

[zenith crystal]

Yep, my brewmaster buddy was cussing me out when I showed him how I deal with the enraged bois in GB

(I do nothing, Shield block is optional)

[tacit crystal]

the only thing bear has to worry about is getting hit with a magic cast without mitigation

[balmy kindle]

Brew meanwhile has to sweat

[zenith crystal]

2 CDs, CC, and if there’s 2….its pretty much GG

[balmy kindle]

I have a WW Alt and play brew here and there so yeahhh

Like you only feel safe if it's pure physical damage

[zenith crystal]

Was going to probs gear my Bear and Blood while I’m at it

[zenith crystal]

From one really big source.

The white hits are built different

[balmy kindle]

Yes. Multiple sources and it gets dicey

Meanwhile warrior is like : hmm do I turn IP or shield block on

[zenith crystal]

If prot had a death grip effect, I’d only play prot war

[zenith crystal]

He also got mad when I said I sometimes don’t use shield wall on Throngus Swords and just my base mitigation is enough to take 0 damage.

Granted, I’m only in 8/9

[balmy kindle]

I mean mostly tank in those ranges as well, I feel like a god at 621

Cant die unless I try to spam revenge like an ape

[zenith crystal]

Even then, I only die on the first pull of some dungeons that have stupid up front damage.

Like SoB first pull I’ve been domed before.

[balmy kindle]

Oh usually I just open with shockwave at SOB

Works wonders there since Colo gives a +1 on the stun duration

[zenith crystal]

That’s actually solid. I just try and get SB up and it works 99% of the time

[balmy kindle]

With Thane it's kind of easy no? One clap 35% rage gain

Like legit it's shield slam and clap

[zenith crystal]

It is, I just died in a global.

Idfk what happened

[balmy kindle]

Yeah it happens

U can use the seasoned veteran thing tho

Prot on training wheels

[zenith crystal]

Might just pre use Shield Wall

[zenith crystal]

Nah. That’s for words I can’t say in a public discord

[balmy kindle]

Mb , but prot has some really good talents that makes it really easy to get into

[zenith crystal]

I’ve been playing it for years, and I’ve gotten slapped on pull less then 5 times.

Not a common thing.

Probs just messing something simple up and not realizing it

[balmy kindle]

Would say just cc packs on charge if they can be

Shockwave is bae

[zenith crystal]

True

[wanton sierra]

what is this?

[thick kelp]

deaths

[wanton sierra]

damn ):

[gaunt matrix]

If your not doing 2mil overall as arms just reroll (:

[astral zephyr]

Ouch man 🤕😭

[olive nest]

Show the class your 2m overall

[midnight mural]

Its probrably a "trust me" angle

[tacit crystal]

i found it

thats his 2m overall

[dry frost]

[olive nest]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-26050971

[thorn pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-krabby-patty-smug-spongebob-squarepants-gif-9547716225990610286

[gaunt matrix]

lmao I was obv joking

[tacit crystal]

[fringe moon]

I’ve only seen an assassination rogue do 2M dps without Aug in a mist 11

[tacit crystal]

@fringe moon what’s the difference between a quick sim and a top gear sim?

[boreal quartz]

Are u asking fr or

[tacit crystal]

no

he @ valkyrd asking that yesterday

🙂

and archi

[fringe moon]

Yes, and apparently is a terrible thing to do…

[olive nest]

Critcake did 2m as fury

[boreal quartz]

I mean, did u get the answer

[tacit crystal]

yes

🙂

[boreal quartz]

It worked then

Easy

[tacit crystal]

good morning philliam

[boreal quartz]

It's 17

[tacit crystal]

itis 11

[fringe moon]

Yes. Difference was gem combinations.

[livid cloak]

2m next week

After tuning

Trust

Arterial bleed gets buffed from 3 percent to 15 percent per stack, easy

[gaunt matrix]

sheesh

[gaunt owl]

spec renamed to Bleed warrior

we dont use our Arms anymore

[olive nest]

Fuck yeah!

🩸

[tacit crystal]

that would own

[fair gate]

please no more bleed shit

[tacit crystal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/254170190621835264/1113105101675036732/dratnos.gif

[swift crown]

You stop making fun of Dratty D

[olive nest]

Sks applies its own bleed, refreshes rend & deep wounds, also increases bleed damage by 200%

[livid cloak]

That would be nice

Actually

[tacit crystal]

that would own

[flat willow]

the rogue discord is the door on the left

I heard ass rogue owns

https://tenor.com/view/shoo-go-away-johnny-depp-captain-jack-sparrow-gif-4877675

[fair gate]

replace rend with sunder armor

[manic stirrup]

is one maintenance dot too much for you guys

lmfao

[tacit crystal]

yes

[fair gate]

yes

[solemn fractal]

Remove dot, giv bigger hitting abilities

[tacit crystal]

they need a cast sequence to play game

[gaunt owl]

dude sunder armor is the same shit has having rend

[flat willow]

nobody is complaining about one maintenance dot

[gaunt owl]

maintenance stuff

[flat willow]

people want to bring back bleed doing 50% of arms' damage

bfa arms worst arms

[gaunt owl]

BFA was shit

[flat willow]

well wod arms was also garbage

especially before the hellfire tierset

[gaunt owl]

you had nothing to press

[flat willow]

so I'll call it a tie between wod and bfa arms

[gaunt owl]

legit auto attack simulator

[flat willow]

2 pieces of garbage

[nova marsh]

So guys

Are we in a better or worse state then cn warrior?

[manic stirrup]

better

[gaunt matrix]

Would of been higher but died /: I assume this is about average

[tacit crystal]

what was cn warrior like

[river ridge]

Condemn

[gaunt owl]

bad

[river ridge]

But seriously it was poor. Relied on Windfury to have a solid flowing rotation to deal no damage.

[icy mulch]

Nathria had a lot of good arms fights. A couple you could totally be degen on. Council of blood and what's her face with the Anima spawn. Big 2 target slam fests.

Council of blood was pointless cause when one died the other popped back to full hp.

[dreamy egret]

I miss condemn rip. I feel that warriors should give a bleed dmg amp buff to the other people in your group we need some more utility now that they fucked our damage.

[icy mulch]

But degen padding is degen padding. Lol