namely, getting rid of rage as fast as possible
#arms
opal folio
astral talon
we had better designed mastery too
which was rng, until they changed it a bit
to the point where it wasn't
also, why can't we have demolish actually replace CS
and compensate dmg difference in other sources, like pure aura buff, or more dmg to ms?
its already aoe
it already does good dmg
IT APPLIES AN INCREASED DMG TAKEN DEBUFF ON ENEMIES
icy mulch
Man, we have reached peek doom.
astral yarrow
this has been doom central for like 2 weeks now
thick kelp
balmy kindle
good balance - blizzrd
balmy kindle
wont be surpised my ww monk at 606 sims higher than my 620 war on patchwerk 
(this is post conduit bug btw)
cloud gyro
did they fix us yet guys
balmy kindle
i mean, balance got shifted so hard its not even funny
Pretty sure outlaw is bugged now tho
astral talon
ok
but other specs
and isnt arms benefitting from unhinged now too?
so kinda bugged xD
cloud gyro
and isnt arms benefitting from unhinged now too?
yep thats why we are performing well in raid atm
outlaw bug gives them +5 free combo points on every finisher
balmy kindle
Other classes = intended
Warrior = bug
cloud gyro
Other classes = 'QOL' changes -> 10% buff -> nerfed 3% to compensate
Arms Warrior = Nerfed 2% -> bugs (20% nerf) -> 3% mortal strike damage buff in 3 weeks
thick kelp
Slayer gets big gain from bug
slow saddle
U just op and ep before?
vapid goblet
Other classes = 'QOL' changes -> 10% buff -> nerfed 3% to compensate
Arms Warri...
you mean 3% slam
slow saddle
And 1% nerf to ms
thorn pelican
fuck it make every arms ability cast a slam at something nearby
cloud gyro
If you mortal strike an enemy while in defensive stance, you slam your tank for 250k damage
astral talon
or is that hyperbole
hyperbole
the problem is that we get a big dmg buff from a bug
and even with that we're dead last
astral talon
small gain i'd say
cloud gyro
the problem is that we get a big dmg buff from a bug
U just said big
astral talon
would you consider 3% big or small?
cuz i'd guess its around that margin
i guess my wording was just inconsistent
either way, dmg gain from bug, and still last
cloud gyro
3% is big if we are in a decent spot
cloud gyro
How much loss is the reap bug
quartz canopy
I am under the impression that the Unhinged bug is definitely overall a nerf loss for arms, at least Archimtiros said as much
astral talon
ok now im confused
i was under the impression that it doesn't consume buffs, and sends buffed mortals all the time
quartz canopy
So it doesn't, you're correct
But also, it doesn't trigger Reap the Storm for our Mortal Strikes
so it's still a nerf
balmy kindle
so brutal finish and fierce follow is the play now
cloud gyro
pretty sure sims are inaccurate aswell
colossus just does more st for me with worse stat optimization
balmy kindle
colossus just does more st for me with worse stat optimization
i see crit haste or are u mastery god
cloud gyro
im full crit haste
royal escarp
I try crit haste and crit haste mastery no difference
inland nexus
I feel weaker after server up
livid cloak
Reap the storm 
cloud gyro
Im doing 1.2mil on dummy with colossus, sims are 800k
Same damage distribution of abilities
cloud gyro
Yeah with only warrior buff and crit flask
cloud gyro
Patchwerk sim is 1.26, target dummy sim is 800k
cloud gyro
I did both
rapid bronze
<@788108400302227477>
yes it still exists but you don't have to cast it anymore if you take Cut to the Chase which you'd have probably known if you leveled past 12
icy mulch
yes it still exists but you don't have to cast it anymore if you take Cut to the...
lol, yeah. I still don't care for the class even with this little exposure.
rapid bronze
oh I get it I never managed to get rogues to a high level because their gameplay is ass
icy mulch
I can also understand why pug rogues cry at me when they don't get a chane to re-steal.
dim basalt
Sub should play fine again
cloud gyro
@royal escarp Did a 5 min run, 1.07 mil dps on dummy, no warr buff, no flask, no pot
With omega dornogal input lag
astral talon
with exe phase or what?
cuz i'm doing like 900k without exe phase, slayer
no buffs or anything
well, only warr buff
cloud gyro
no exe phase
full hp dummy
either way im doing 33% more damage than my target dummy sim
slow saddle
Collosus?
slow saddle
He is slayer then?
chrome bramble
What’s your ilvl @cloud gyro I’m really struggling with the st aspect of colossus.. I just can’t get the numbers high wondering it’s it’s just a stat thing.. need more crit/hast
chrome bramble
LOL hoping he found “the build” daaaa clawwwwwww
thick kelp
worldly kernel
astral talon
i mean
we're missing 2 talent points
to have a decent build
OR BATTLELORD IN A BETTER FUCKING PLACE
worldly kernel
There’s a lot of shit they can do and even before the xpac came out there was a huge wishlist most people on here put together and agreed with and none of it was even looked at
Wow reality brother
thick kelp
Yeah with only warrior buff and crit flask
dummy sims dont use flask or warrior buff
cloud gyro
What’s your ilvl <@224128570472136714> I’m really struggling with the st aspect ...
630
boreal quartz
Did your mandate crit
cloud gyro
I'm doing 1.05mil
try without exe phase
not using mandate
prob some new bugs that colossus are benefitting from
fickle lotus
Is there another Boss Dummy then the one in Dornogal,which doesnt get into exe Phase ?
astral zephyr
How’s everyones patch going? 😀🔫
silver sluice
How’s everyones patch going? 😀🔫
Seeing Arms below Aug brings me so much pain joy
fresh spire
Aug bugged stealing all our dps
livid cloak
They're just wrong
I've been top dps in every dungeon on 11 as arms
Its perfectly viable for that level of content
dim basalt
People in 11s dont even know half of the mechanics of the dungeon
zugzug kill everything no kicks
healer bad zugzug
icy hawk
Is arms ST below fury now?
sharp wyvern
yes
icy hawk
😔
nova marsh
....
Were that cooked?
Holy fuck
Now I actually should just reroll
Isn't that literally some of the worst st in the whole game?
dim basalt
Surely we will get a buff the coming week
livid cloak
And get off the game for a few weeks
nova marsh
NA PROT ANGLE
chrome bramble
Is it better to roll CS or war breaker when doing mythics? I’d assume WB but the st dmg is so horrible now…
nova marsh
Tbh half of it is just overdramatic dooming
swift crown
Where were you when Arms was killed...
nova marsh
Is it better to roll CS or war breaker when doing mythics? I’d assume WB but the...
If our st is down bad, probally just say fuck it we ball and use wb
swift crown
Oops I forgot Arms existed (like the Dev)
chrome bramble
Hahaha yeah?
cloud gyro
Where were you when Arms was killed...
🧏♂️
balmy kindle
interestingly the colo build is doing work on silken 
nova marsh
What is this balancing? Are we playing classic?
balmy kindle
What is this balancing? Are we playing classic?
why overreact on bugged logs
gaunt owl
its intended
we are shit tier as we deserve
not enough dooming during beta
and we dont sandbag properly
funny how the outlaw bug skyrocket them
nova marsh
why overreact on bugged logs
Honestly I just need a good laugh that this even went live
gaunt owl
why even have PTR or beta
nova marsh
I haven't seen logs this unbalanced since warrior was god tier
gaunt owl
to have so many bugs
boreal quartz
@median scroll
nova marsh
Arms having less st then fury is
cloud gyro
I haven't seen logs this unbalanced since warrior was god tier
please dont say warrior without the fury prefix
nova marsh
Kind of depressing. But it is bugged as fuck week 1 logs where there are like 3 warriors in total probally
nova marsh
please dont say warrior without the fury prefix
Prot thou
manic stirrup
Where were you when Arms was killed...
what boss lol
vast surge
blizz, y u do dis?
rapid bronze
we are the only class where you get nerfed and we say it's good for the game
until this happens
nuclear nerf
like we should have gone on a whining campaign after something as spiteful as the rally nerf
thick hamlet
interestingly the colo build is doing work on silken <:copium:839076283467431956...
oi bruv, don't leave without sharing
rapid bronze
but instead we said oh no it's okay we all have too much hp in season 3 gear
rapid bronze
it'd be broken to have 15% rally
but then rally died so shamans can have perma rally
thick hamlet
anybody got any colossus builds share with me, i eat them
astral talon
can we have blord in normal spot?
thick hamlet
for silken, ya?
balmy kindle
the point where uproar was
avatar recklessness
manic stirrup
should have improved ss though for silken
astral talon
CHOCO
bronze wharf
oh 😳
tiny prawn
I'm playing Warrior and mage lmao, i feel targeted by Blizzard
astral talon
WHERE MY BLORD NORMAL PLACEMENTY
bronze wharf
never seen that talent this tier
manic stirrup
well on heroic idk if its a big deal
balmy kindle
should have improved ss though for silken
well i copied your build for heroic prog lol
manic stirrup
shit man idk
thick hamlet
i think id remove 1 bleed point for the ss talent, thanks for sharing
balmy kindle
dmg does vary with SD procs, but suprisingly higher damage compared to slayer
manic stirrup
i’ve also been trying to play spear on mythic court but the sequence is pretty awkward im not used to it yet
fresh spire
can we have blord in normal spot?
Make ravager where Cs is instead and make cs baseline
astral talon
CAN'T EVEN UNTALENT BLOODBORNE
fresh spire
So we ain't wasn't 3 capstone points on an aoe ability for st
fresh spire
Or buff the ever living fuck out of fatality
And it auto kills unhinged
Bl would return as a bi product
manic stirrup
yeah fatality is super super bad
fresh spire
Real
rapid bronze
all these nerfs are one thing but how fucking dare they remove the SS execute animation
bronze wharf
was fatality meta once since talents rework?
manic stirrup
design wise aside it just does shit damage
manic stirrup
was fatality meta once since talents rework?
no
bronze wharf
lmao
astral talon
this whole spec is a bug O_O
fresh spire
Ever since unhinged rework it's been dead
rapid bronze
there's a meta talent called reroll fdk
gaunt owl
reroll fast its gonna be fixed soon
rapid bronze
outlaw will be fixed and frost will still shit on us
it'd be really funny if they fixed outlaw by just removing the entire talent lmao
"we'd rather you dont play outlaw right now"
is anyone doing some fun rage dooming on stream right now?
steep osprey
it was already fixed
fresh spire
Fuark
cloud gyro
guys it was only a 1% nerf lets relax 🧏♂️ 👨💻 🤝
fresh spire
It's ok we will go lower on dps when unhinged fixed for arms
Had some real fun with it last night in raid
Force 2 set in execute. Bs. Execute twice to try extend with brutal finish. If no extend use before falls off. If it does extend op twice for exodia mortal strike
thick hamlet
my warrior bro in my m+ team already switched fdk
fresh spire
Also just 2 stacks of set into 5 tick ms was fun
cloud gyro
Force 2 set in execute. Bs. Execute twice to try extend with brutal finish. If n...
all this to lose to a greyparsing assa rogue
thick hamlet
he's getting close to my overall dps while 6ilvl behind
minor gust
He's no longer mortal stroking
fresh spire
thick hamlet
Hit a 5.3m mortal strike with no martial prowess
what are u talking about
i hope it's a warrior bug
coral crescent
scroll up literally 2 lines hah
river ridge
Why aren't we playing Warbreaker in M+?
You get similar AoE value from Blunt Instruments and In for the Kill extending your haste window, but get a lot more single target
gaunt owl
only way to be on the meters now
swift crown
what boss lol
Court
(I played like a dog to be fair)
But even if I didn't old rank 1 would be like a green Assa parse or something
fresh spire
Now we get to be slightly less mediocre on AoE
(unhinged wasn't procing reap so at least that is back for slayer)
balmy kindle
(unhinged wasn't procing reap so at least that is back for slayer)
so unhinged procs reap now ?
Also Brutal finish > fierce followthrough good ?
quartz canopy
so unhinged procs reap now ?
Also Brutal finish > fierce followthrough good ?
It does proc now, it was fixed
balmy kindle
icic, thanks
fresh spire
though i plan to fuck about trying to cook something stupid this weekend with BL and fierce, see what i can push out of it
silent flame
well overpower and mortla strike
fresh spire
colossus sweep bug still seems to be here
drowsy cobalt
Is there a spreadsheet what unhunged actually procs/consumes/contributes to etc?
fresh spire
consumes everything
just been patched
procs all abilities to do with the ability it is
silent flame
Anything in BRD to SR i should know about
fresh spire
like BT/BB procs Blasts in thane etc
weapon is useful if you have a shit offhand in fury
daring heron
silent flame
<#1234949058121171069>
Where in there
neon niche
Where in there
literally 1 post above latest just open ur eyes
silent flame
Ok man jesus jsut got in there and there were a ton of message
neon niche
silent flame
Ok what do i spell reflect then in the raid?
Thats what i meant by SR
neon niche
My apologies I misread 😳 👉 👈
silent flame
Np dude!
sorry haha
thats why i missed the second message
I thought there was a link in there for spell reflect i missed haha
sorry i was being rude
dim basalt
loud wadi
ah + mail damn
gaunt owl
and people still buy
sharp wyvern
why did they make it not fit through doors
broken thistle
who else just bought the AH mount, lol...
Its buyable now?
fringe moon
Its buyable now?
sharp wyvern
is this as expansive than 3days early acces was ?
broken thistle
90$ holy shit
dapper juniper
guys
if i swping for 2target
let say like this
for silken i start with swiping after ms i bladestorm?
or w8 for swiping end?
runic tartan
how much is the original AH mount tho?
fathom shoal
5 milllion gold, or 500+ usd back then
dapper juniper
pls guys answer me >(
brazen chasm
pls guys answer me >(
I think the build on silken plays with avatar that gives SS for like 8sec + thé talent that increase SS duration by +6, i think you can BS with SS up
You'll have SS back up at the end, unless i'm wrong and somebody can correct me
runic tundra
i cracked under no pressure ngl
sharp wyvern
"i cant belive 3day early acces is that expensive " also "i buy 90 dollar mount "
next hedge
gusty nymph
the timing of the sale is uncanny....
elder nacelle
nooooo they made DF runes not work anymore
sharp wyvern
the 100k one still works
austere hamlet
yep thats why we are performing well in raid atm
What bug is this?
tacit crystal
you think so
fossil thistle
arms warriors should obviously use their arms, right?
gaunt owl
we are Arms not Weapon warrior
tacit crystal
(reroll uh)
opal folio
Pull the ripcord and convert us into a support spec at this point
neon niche
*arms* warriors should obviously use their arms, right?
I got an blunt instrument down here in my pants 😉
fossil thistle
Pull the ripcord and convert us into a support spec at this point
Arms warriors have been reworked. We now carry food and supplies for other party members.
opal folio
latent cargo
Pull the ripcord and convert us into a support spec at this point
Honestly a shout/banner support spec would be cool.
fossil thistle
They could legit bring back mop skull banner and we’d still not get invited
cloud gyro
Augmentation warrior
opal folio
dim sleet
"i cant belive 3day early acces is that expensive " also "i buy 90 dollar mount ...
More like the it's the same people that bought the 3 day early access that are buying the mount lol
gusty nymph
bring back https://i.redd.it/2k8onn1uew161.gif
gaunt owl
for 90 bucks i can give you a picture of those pixel too
dim basalt
When do we use mandate in our opener?
wanton ravine
I still don't understand why warriors don't give bloodlust instead of shamans.
fossil thistle
I still don't understand why warriors don't give bloodlust instead of shamans.
Bloodlust banner
wanton ravine
Motivating Shout or something.
fossil thistle
Naw make it banner
Throws down an alliance or horde banner, “fantasy” or something idk
dim basalt
Precast* unless transmitter
tyty
dim basalt
I was surprised how short the cast of mandate is
wanton ravine
Also, is anyone else forced to go Fury for M+? My aoe damage as Arms just doesn't compete with Fury sadly in M+ and I want it to.
fossil thistle
we want dmg
Reroll
gusty nymph
bandage spec is the best
fossil thistle
Also, is anyone else forced to go Fury for M+? My aoe damage as Arms just doesn...
Fury is by nature just better in the current state of arms/fury
wanton ravine
Fury is by nature just better in the current state of arms/fury
Shame really cause Arms is a ton of fun.
fossil thistle
I’m still ending around 1.1-1.3m overall
dusty dagger
arms has caught nothing but strays
smoky kayak
Also, is anyone else forced to go Fury for M+? My aoe damage as Arms just doesn...
Forced is a strong word, you can certainly be successful as Arms
fossil thistle
(I don’t push higher keys)
smoky kayak
in fact, the highest rated Arms is only like 100 io behind the highest rated Fury!
though on average, Fury is better/easier and there are a lot more of them
wanton ravine
Maybe I should just stick it out and keep doing it. Certain fights are better of course for Arms than Fury an vice versa.
smoky kayak
it's a video game, just play what you like
dusty dagger
play what you enjoy
wanton ravine
Thats not how M+ works when trying to pug lol
fossil thistle
Although it’s probably not true, I feel like arms takes more commitment and skill than fury does in pushing higher keys
smoky kayak
you'd be surprised
dusty dagger
the real meta if you want easy groups is just go prot instead lol
balmy kindle
the real meta if you want easy groups is just go prot instead lol
how to get ur glided crests the unethical way
astral talon
how the fuck does arms take more skill
lets be real, we can argue all we want, but both are easy to play in keys
and if played well, both are fairly consistent
gaunt owl
surviving stuff is harder as Arms
astral talon
???
gaunt owl
thats the only real diff
astral talon
use walls
potent cedar
not me
dusty dagger
how to get ur glided crests the unethical way
the way blizz been treating us, ethics are a thing of the past
gusty nymph
let s support blizzard. they work hard. lets ll buy the mount 🙂
dusty dagger
warrior on it's osha violation arc
balmy kindle
the way blizz been treating us, ethics are a thing of the past
i just run keys with guildies but in pugs i will jsut run prot and W key
potent cedar
let s support blizzard. they work hard. lets ll buy the mount 🙂
Yeah they sure do work hard bringing us broken patches every week 
smoky kayak
let s support blizzard. they work hard. lets ll buy the mount 🙂
idk tons of people bought the BfA mount despite waves of complaints during that expansion 
sick gazelle
If you buy the mount you aren't allowed to complain about class balance and buggy patches
smoky kayak
Pretty sure this one is actually cheaper than the BfA one after conversions too
depending on where the token price lands
fossil thistle
the real meta if you want easy groups is just go prot instead lol
I think it’s actually just play any other class 😄
upper coyote
is it only me or does warrior just feel like shit
smoky kayak
just you arms
gaunt owl
Pretty sure this one is actually cheaper than the BfA one after conversions too
its real cheap compared to BFa one
astral talon
can we have demolish replace cs?
wanton ravine
Yea, I can tank just hate the toxic players if you make a mistake. I just want crests and to zug zug stuff.
astral talon
its basically same button, but twice O_O
dusty dagger
can we have demolish replace cs?
let him cook
balmy kindle
Yea, I can tank just hate the toxic players if you make a mistake. I just want ...
? u are the tank u take 3 mins to get in lobby
heck they are the ones who need to bow down to you
astral talon
both demolish and cs apply dmg increase, warbreaker is aoe, demolish is aoe, both get cd reduction, but one doesn't need to stack to 10 so it doesnt line up properly 😦
opal folio
? u are the tank u take 3 mins to get in lobby
It's not about the time. It's about the shit you deal with. You don't even need to make mistakes; just deviating from a traditional route is enough to get you abused in pugs
tacit crystal
what games will you be playing instead yam?
dusty dagger
both demolish and cs apply dmg increase, warbreaker is aoe, demolish is aoe, bot...
as long as the final demo hit doesn't get disjointed it's an aoe
potent cedar
what games will you be playing instead yam?
Probably nothing much
balmy kindle
It's not about the time. It's about the shit you deal with. You don't even need ...
Lol just mute all and slap them with some random MDT while u W key
tacit crystal
Probably nothing much
astral talon
as long as the final demo hit doesn't get disjointed it's an aoe
ye, so same shit O_O
balmy kindle
either they leave (their key bricks) or they suck it up
potent cedar
There really isn't much else to play atm
waiting for poe2/new poe league
will play the remainder of my sub cause I got some stuff to do
potent cedar
but I'm done for this season after that
absolute shitshow of a season
after DF was so consistently decent too :(
dusty dagger
ye, so same shit O_O
i wish the final demo hit didn't require a target like WB
astral talon
i dont rly mind it
gusty nymph
absolute shitshow of a season
started ok, ended up poorly...
astral talon
i wish the final demo hit didn't require a target like WB
could have all 3 hits work like aftershock?
3 forward slams
that cleave
gusty nymph
This expac class wise sucks nuts to be blunt
dusty dagger
i think that'd be goated, with prio damage on targeted enemy
astral talon
yep
we'd need diff talent from warbreaker, or diff effect if talented into demolish
tacit crystal
but I'm done for this season after that
i might end up quiting for a while if this season dont go how i want
fossil thistle
Probably nothing much
tacit crystal
im slightly burnt after playing for 2k hours straight with nothing else
i swear i did like 4-6 hours of mh after i got home from middle school for months on end
fossil thistle
I put 400-600hrs in every game since PS2 days
MHFU on psp I think was into 1000hrs cause..monster hunter to go as a teenager lol
wanton ravine
Lol just mute all and slap them with some random MDT while u W key
I should do that, I stupidly engaged with some who told me to kill myself and that they could tank better cause I accidentally pulled too much in a SV 7 a few weeks back with a new afflic. I haven't tanked in years and am 616 in prot but still. Its either too slow or not fast enough.
balmy kindle
I should do that, I stupidly engaged with some who told me to kill myself and th...
really as dps mains we only looking for glided crests, who cares what those peasants think
they can wait 2 hours for a tank
wanton ravine
lol yea
balmy kindle
or they take you 🤣
balmy kindle
Ain't my key so I shouldn't care if I brick it lol
exactly, also brown class is still good tank
sick gazelle
They are lucky to even have you in their game
tacit crystal
@balmy kindle what colo build are you playing for raid?
balmy kindle
<@234677001196142592> what colo build are you playing for raid?
Choco's cursed build
wanton ravine
Came here for advice on how to get better in Arms for M+ over fury, stayed for the pep talk against the peasants lol
tacit crystal
?
balmy kindle
tacit crystal
ah
thats on wowhead
for some reason i simmed to see if dropping ravager for bl did more
did not
balmy kindle
it sims very close to the slayer one tbf, not gonna bother with slayer
fossil thistle
What boss is that 😮
balmy kindle
What boss is that 😮
sorry was doing world bosses, didnt have logs on guild run today. we were progging silken
fossil thistle
Sha?
balmy kindle
ya I think lol, just took an SS because ppl were asking what build i was running
tacit crystal
dropping ravager for bl was 60k under regular slayer
fossil thistle
Nice
teal fossil
Why tf we dropping rav
fossil thistle
I think colossus might be fun in BRD, after running through it
balmy kindle
wouldnt drop rav in colo tho, thats how u build stacks fast
fossil thistle
^
tacit crystal
i was just seeing
teal fossil
It may be droppable if they fix the bug
balmy kindle
It may be droppable if they fix the bug
its not a bug its intended
fossil thistle
Stop fixing warrior bugs let us have what scraps of damage we still get
tacit crystal
dropping ravager is still 40k below the worst colo ravager sim
xd
and that is still 50k below slayer
balmy kindle
yea but u are free from SD rng hell
I swear in spite of what the sims said i did better on heroic clear and prog today
but realistcally slayer only simmed like 15k better
royal escarp
kyozumi what is your rotation
midnight mural
balmy kindle
kyozumi what is your rotation
In ST I cast mandate pre pull sweeping>Charge > rend> ravager> TR with avatar > CS , use ms> sks
Use demolish before cs debuff wears off
loud wadi
I still don't understand why warriors don't give bloodlust instead of shamans.
This...I don't mind shamans having this but warrior certainly deserves a lust that can easily be incorporated into the class lore as a new "shout"
cloud gyro
What unhinged stuff got fixed for arms btw?
old urchin
It makes total sense class wise for us to have a BL shout
cloud gyro
Do we proc reap again?
royal escarp
Use demolish before cs debuff wears off
swipping stripe Oo whyyyy
balmy kindle
I mean on the first demo it is very likely you can get 10 stacks even without sd procs
So you send demolish then
rapid bronze
I take it back, with the amount of brutosaurs currently in dornogal this game's community deserves this muppet level of balancing and QA
royal escarp
because of the swpiing strike
swift crown
I take it back, with the amount of brutosaurs currently in dornogal this game's ...
so true king
oops wrong discord
tacit crystal
yeah bro
old urchin
LMAO
quiet vigil
Was arms actually effected by the bugs they fixed today or are things actually as bad as the charts make it seem?
balmy kindle
Was arms actually effected by the bugs they fixed today or are things actually a...
honestly I am feeling doomerish as well but apparently next week there's tuning too
quiet vigil
weak rain
<:copium:839076283467431956> honestly I am feeling doomerish as well but apparen...
More nerfs I hope ?
swift crown
idk
the bug where Unhinged didnt consume any buffs/debuffs (thats now fixed I believe) should have been a slight buff
weak rain
You know, It would've been much funnier if they just ignore warrior alltogether, while warlocks etc. get their buffs
quiet vigil
I watched critcakes most recent video and was laughing and crying at the same time. The blizzard balance meeting wheel was too real
fierce plover
Spin! That! Wheel!
quiet vigil
Maybe if I give blizzard 90 dollars they'll buff warrior
swift crown
If you pay 78€ for the mount I cant help you
quiet vigil
i'm baffled that people buy those for real money
I get it, I have money and not time which means I don't have gold
teal fossil
makes more sense to buy it with money
shadow ibex
It's not a wheel
You just hope your class titanforges each patch
Just pray your favorite spec rolls a gem socket
(It didn't)
opal folio
next flame
Respec into prot and you might do more damage
astral talon
cs parry, three exe parries
all in exe phase
with full cds
on kyveza
kill me
or ill kms
slow saddle
Classic arms exp
next flame
Seeing cs getting parried makes me question class choice everytime
shadow ibex
Ye
Just disproportionately punishes us
Even more when we ran tom
Such nuances are lost on warbringer devs who never played the spec
next flame
The other thing is no shaman in group where rage again?
glacial shale
Doesn't colossus smash and avatar increase rend/thunderous roar damage and dot? Why in every rotation/opener website it says to cast them before colossus smash?
next flame
Thunderous roar lasts longer than cs
glacial shale
CS increases the damage of the dot after it has been applied?
gloomy pendant
the application of the dots doesnt do much dmg, and you want to be pressing dmging buttons during cs
and the dots update dmg dynamically
glacial shale
Huh, I guess I had no idea that dot snapshotting was removed 8 years ago
Thank you
zenith warren
anyone here played arms on m ovinax?
tacit crystal
@astral talon
neon niche
Doesn't colossus smash and avatar increase rend/thunderous roar damage and dot? ...
cause u wanna prio and squeeze every other globals during cs window
tacit crystal
anyone here played arms on m ovinax?
^
astral talon
anyone here played arms on m ovinax?
progressing it ye
its dogshit
but i like it
collosus 👍
sonic merlin
Does anyone have any m+ videos for arms or is it really that bad?
rancid willow
Does anyone have any m+ videos for arms or is it really that bad?
It isn’t “horrible” but we really fall behind other classes in upper keys
Even though our damage profile is ST, I’m still getting beaten by my buddies playing havoc & ret
zenith warren
you hold cds on pull or send?
zenith warren
only 16 logs as arms kek
shadow ibex
Yea I think anything you do will have to be self cook as arms on that fight
zenith warren
btw is it only me or cd tracking is fucked after the patch? I use luxthos wa and it shows me roar ready when it's on cd still
fathom mauve
Heyo, I'm really struggling to get any decent DPS on Heroic Ansurek. Im raid leading at the same time which doesn't help but my damage is dreadful (Havent done P3 yet though) Do I just zerg my cooldowns and then just align them when they are close on CD? (I know my opener, just not the sustain rotation it seems for single target)
shadow ibex
you can bladestorm every set of web roots in p1
fathom mauve
I assume not the double set of webs though since they're close
fathom mauve
damn thats a lot going on xD
pulsar elk
Just saw the changes this morning, anyone know if those buffs are meaningful at all?
Unhinged triggering slayer strikes has to be a big gain for us
sharp wyvern
its not a gain cause it was doing it 3 days ago
they just fixed the bug this patch brought with it preventing it from triggering
pulsar elk
Bet ty
obtuse terrace
I know this shit is miniscule, but just for fun.. Does anyone know where dracthyr fall on this chart?
dusty dagger
I know this shit is miniscule, but just for fun.. Does anyone know where dracthy...
i mean i'd say on the low side but the movement bonus for double jump is pretty solid
but idk, 1% mastery is kinda good for most specs
obtuse terrace
wing buffet kinda nice for grouping stuff together sometimes too
dusty dagger
outside of guild group i ain't never been with a pug who used knocks well, it's a travesty it's now a racial
i'll die on this hill
fringe moon
lol....
chrome bramble
Stormrage
sonic merlin
It isn’t “horrible” but we really fall behind other classes in upper keys
Ah gotcha
fringe moon
should've been a dragon imo...a huge dragon
neon niche
I made this
20th anniversary mounts in a nuttshell
high egret
619 mark of khadros or skyterror?
neon niche
should've been a dragon imo...a huge dragon
why? it would have to commit an effort from blizz side. recoloring is effortless and people will swipe the card none the less
lone pilot
@smoky kayak is arms(slayer) single target still a head of clossos ?
lime plank
where is arms in general arm compared to fury? on hc reclear today i felt like a wet noodle with 621 ilvl and all the rets and ele were giga blasing.
(i was playing fury and am contemplating to go back to arms)
next flame
Arms is in the bottom of the sea compared to... well everything
fathom mauve
Just a quick question about slayer, do i always save my executes for 3 stacks of mark when not in execute phase? Also do I use skullsplitter when I have thunderous roar or just on CD/to get rage?
next flame
arms is about as good as fury
Looking at warcraft logs arms being significantly worse than fury even on Rasha'nan(you know 70% of the fight being execute)
teal fossil
well they brought back the adds for rash
next flame
Aye true still only fight arms is slightly ahead of fury is sikran and they're identical on silken everywere else fury is alot better
next flame
Just a quick question about slayer, do i always save my executes for 3 stacks of...
Exe always buffs ms greatly.
Skullsplitter on cd it naturally aligns with roar
fathom mauve
Exe always buffs ms greatly.
Skullsplitter on cd it naturally aligns with roar
Sorry, MS?
next flame
Mortal strike
fathom mauve
mortal strike
sorry im slow
Aye but save it for 3 stacks of Marked for execution?
next flame
No point arms exe still deals decent dmg unlike fury's
You see sd proc send it
And exe phase is 2xOP 2xEXE(order is irrelevant) then MS
tacit crystal
yeah
vague nova
I got a jug tracker and started holding SD to extend it if there were no other targets in execute and my uptime in jug skyrocketed
tacit crystal
its more so about high rolling having jug as execute starts
you will instantly blast
next flame
Okay i stand corrected still general idea is mark count doesn't really matter
astral talon
I think ill go back to slayer for hc and mythic st now 😦
vague nova
Has anyone tested if there’s a viable extended slayer sweeping strikes build for lower target count dungeons vs the other big cleave node options? I don’t run MBG either way.
I can’t sim until later when I’m at my pc so I figured I’d ask
teal fossil
some people do run extended sweeping
smoky kayak
Has anyone tested if there’s a viable extended slayer sweeping strikes build for...
Imp SS is generally worse than CD for dungeons
since you generally have 1 or 3+, rather than 2-3
vague nova
I was thinking maybe COT DB and GB it wouldn’t be horrible and could help / be strong on hard duo packs and duo boss
astral talon
Archi, is there still hope :(?
quartz canopy
You'd hope after seeing our state this week and us constantly falling on the dps rank they will buff us
But I honestly can't tell, so I won't be holding my breath
grand idol
10% auto attack damage buff inc.
torpid tide
What have they done....
weak rain
See? Ppl are happy with the state of balance, so they reward blizzard by bying this mount
EZ
nova marsh
Archi, is there still hope :(?
No
Reroll frost
I demand this channel be renamed to frost
plucky fern
frost is outdated
we reroll ele shaman now
my 610 ele shaman doing casual 1.8 mil overall in a good dungeon its fucking stupid
nova marsh
Play anything else
plucky fern
boring + very dependant of your pulls
nova marsh
Brown class worst clas
valid flame
grave mulch
potent cedar
Did the hotfix bring our damage up much
next flame
A bit still not nearly enough
lone pilot
<@61282228017041408> is arms(slayer) single target still a head of clossos ?
<@&257983573498265600>
hexed saddle
dude?
hexed saddle
do @ valkyr
im gonna blow up your house
hexed saddle
<@61282228017041408> is arms(slayer) single target still a head of clossos ?
pretty sure it is
jovial kelp
theyll respond
.
mild canyon
do @ valkyr
brave sapphire
halcyon valve
do u think we'll get any buffs in S2 <:keks:936231610850897992>
Absolutely (overdoses on copium)
manic stirrup
LMFAOOO
worldly kernel
common sense aint so common
tacit crystal
Ok in my defense I thought he would have common sense
gigachad bait
@hexed saddle he got your ass
lone pilot
pretty sure it is
ty
lone pilot
some 1 told me to do
hexed saddle
yeah im telling you not to do it again
lone pilot
aight
languid turtle
quasi torrent
yeah im telling you not to do it again
@hexed saddle
hexed saddle
if u spam ping me I will end your meager existence
tacit crystal
quasi torrent
thats fine
i got highest praise in wow today
hexed saddle
holy
tacit crystal
if u spam ping me I will end your meager existence
nah just like how i have been today not perma
hexed saddle
oh yeah idc
tacit crystal
❤️
tacit crystal
is she a baddie
quasi torrent
oh u wouldn't believe it
tacit crystal
scaliy moment
you needed to take a pciture anda
wtf
also
that thing look similar to my evoker
quasi torrent
no to witness her u gotta see me her in game
opal folio
tropic flower
A nice looking human form evoker? this has to be lies
quasi torrent
i know where her2 lives
jagged goblet
Yo anyone have a coll build for broodtwister?
tacit crystal
sorry artji
dire hinge
finally, the ideal damage breakdown
tacit crystal
why are you in shadowlands
dire hinge
in tanaris, just counts as open world
astral talon
condemn noooo
Its ass
astral talon
But my logs need it now
nova marsh
(no, the answer is no lol)
balmy kindle
Is our ST straight up dead?
Try the Colo build, kinda rad
Slayer is pretty much dead now after all the nerfs,my slayer only Sims like 15k ahead of Colo in spite of a crit haste heavy stat prio
quartz canopy
I'm pretty sure Slayer is still slightly ahead, but I haven't tried Colossus in raid
That being said, neither are very good right now
quartz canopy
Oh yeah, it's not great, but we know Blizzard doesn't really balance around M+ unless something like Elemental is trivializing everything
So I don't really think we will get buffed on account of our M+ performance, but I'd like to be wrong
balmy kindle
I'm pretty sure Slayer is still slightly ahead, but I haven't tried Colossus in ...
Sims will tell you slayer is slightly ahead but atm slayer is super reliant on SD procs, further made worse with numbers being tuned fown
nova marsh
Slayer in practice regardless of numbers is dead
For keys colossus feels required.
And honestly, this is probally the state of arms for the rest of the season
balmy kindle
tuning next week
manic stirrup
my best tempest impression
quartz canopy
Well, when things get bad enough for a class they generally have to change it, since I think most people will quit the game rather than rerolling
So I guess we'll see
nova marsh
I don't really have that much faith tbh
I don't think most of the slayer nerfs were justified
Some of them were, like I think the BS nerf was kinda justified
Maybe tacti too, but overwhelmed being nerfed just
nova marsh
Well, when things get bad enough for a class they generally have to change it, s...
Also I'd like to point out
Blizzard is working with crap data atm
because they need data from when certain specs aren't outrageously busted
And it's likely we won't see balancing changes until we get the new T2 sets tbh
balmy kindle
If you think about it when you are at bottom there's no where to go but up
nova marsh
we've been at the bottom for years it feels like
Even when we're good we aren't taken because literally anything else is better
I get the impression blizzard is getting close to their slow down on tuning and just leaving it alone soon and saving evreything for either .7 or season 2
balmy kindle
Even when we're good we aren't taken because literally anything else is better
But if your objective playing wow is to be wanted then your class choices are going to be limited to the likes of augvoker, warlocks, mages and shamans lol
In that case I would rather uninstall
balmy kindle
Like warlock legit has 3 bottom DPS specs but they will still get invites for rocks and portals
nova marsh
and I liked slayer for the most part. It's not that I hate colossus, in fact with...just...buffing the duration of colossus might just so mists dosen't make me wonna demolish MYSELF
balmy kindle
Is that fun? Imma let you decide
nova marsh
I just wonna feel like arms has an actual point to being in a key
and rn it dosen't
So, until either next season or until buffs come, it's enhance time
(I can take a guess at which one is happening first lmao)
balmy kindle
So, until either next season or until buffs come, it's enhance time
Enhance getting nerfs tho better off with ele
balmy kindle
I myself will gear my monk because I forsee fat buffs inc. heck, they are alr ahead of warriors
nova marsh
I mean
balmy kindle
Don't be upper half
balmy kindle
Yeah but ww has a very similar dmg profile so
nova marsh
...Isn't zuen 3 mins?
balmy kindle
2 mins
nova marsh
Gotcha
balmy kindle
Monk is kind of under radar ATM, they have good ST and cleave without needing to swap any talents
nova marsh
WW having good ST?
nova marsh
Holy fuck I remeber evreyone complaining about how ASS their ST was
balmy kindle
My 606 ww is at 980k
balmy kindle
Patchwerk
nova marsh
Both arms and fury st are in the gutter in that department
balmy kindle
My war has 636 wep at 621 and he's 1.043m lol
nova marsh
Besides, enhance has kinda become comfy
It's either that or I fake being a mage as ret
The literal only thing I dislike about enhance is the constant tab targetting needed because of that moronic talent tied to LL
The one that boosts FS damage
balmy kindle
Well it's the anniversary so gearing is probably easy
nova marsh
ye it is
next flame
Is it bad enough to hope for the rework angle?
nova marsh
it's never coming
next flame
I mean they do need to scrap demolish and completely remake it
next flame
Point taken
nova marsh
honestly
even if in mythic raid and keys above a 10 arms had literally one player
Blizz would ig nore it
manic stirrup
me when i have reck avatar spear transmitter cs pot all active and demolish doesnt crit
smoge
nova marsh
and demolish is all we have
fringe moon
@smoky kayak what’s the difference between a quick sim and a top gear sim?
nova marsh
Please don't ping archi for evreything
tacit crystal
@fringe moon what’s the difference between a quick sim and a top gear sim?
frigid cipher
they're the same thing top gear just sims more options
fringe moon
Just curious if there’s a difference in the outputs and which is more reliable
nova marsh
For...what
they have different purposes
Top gear is to informed descisions about gearing, quick sim is to gauge where "peak" dps should be
frigid cipher
if you did a top gear sim and didnt add any extra options it would be the same as a quick sim
fringe moon
Same gear and same options
hazy flower
Prob diff gem options and stuff
teal fossil
The underlying sim is the same
crimson steppe
When our wowhead class writer is fine with how our class is nothing will change. We're worse than a support class
teal fossil
He never said it’s fine
crimson steppe
Why does he never criticize blizzards decisions? We need new blood and actually wants our class to be enjoyable
fathom shoal
can someone post the good M+ coll build pls
next flame
There should be one on wowhead
fathom shoal
i see that one, just dont know if there have been tweaks here that ppl have been usin
crimson steppe
Like we all know this "tuning" will be a 3% aura buff. There are 0 actual changes to fix the class coming next week. Wowhead is pretty much owned by Blizzard now and encourages their low quality content
next flame
Why does he never criticize blizzards decisions? We need new blood and actually ...
He does if you literally check last patch notes on thr channel you'll talking how arms didn't deserve that nerf
next flame
i see that one, just dont know if there have been tweaks here that ppl have been...
Wowhead build should be up to date atleast mostly
fathom shoal
wouldnt it be nice if they put a datestamp on the builds on wowhead...
so you could atleast know when they were made
crimson steppe
wouldnt it be nice if they put a datestamp on the builds on wowhead...
Watch streamers like Critcake or if you want to learn the class. Our wowhead guides are extremely shallow compared to other classes
fathom shoal
i know the class :{
next flame
Every streamer plays fury
Yea timestamp would be a good addition
fathom shoal
like are ppl using warbreaker for the collosus m+ build? wowhead has it on blunt
next flame
Blunt is very comparable close to wb in aoe and way ahead on st
teal fossil
On colossus just play wb
dim sleet
like are ppl using warbreaker for the collosus m+ build? wowhead has it on blun...
Yesss, feelsgood
I'm actually keeping up with ret paladins 5 ilvls below me now
fathom shoal
i did pick WB 😉
next flame
Maxroll build is also up to date if you wanna snatch The Sir's build 🙂
fathom shoal
✅
fringe hornet
but because they directly nerfed the 2v arms in a row, he was that strong? Where were they strong?
teal fossil
#updates-midnight says they fixed it
quartz canopy
it's already fixed
next flame
Warrior not worth the time writing a patch note confirmed
halcyon breach
Because of stray Arms nerfs, they're both basically equal in ST, but Fury is easier to live on
Which is why most people just play Fury now on Kyveza
limpid dirge
f
halcyon breach
If you're way more comfy on Arms though, I'd argue you're fine just playing it still
livid cloak
Blunt is very comparable close to wb in aoe and way ahead on st
Not for colossus
Wb is a lot more aoe on colossus
manic stirrup
nova marsh
Because of stray Arms nerfs, they're both basically equal in ST, but Fury is eas...
The fact that this is the case
Is just soul crushing
minor gust
https://www.twitch.tv/itzchocotime/clip/NimbleTangentialAniseChefFrank-Tgm8H1zxU...
Gratz
manic stirrup
its reclear i just finally killed on colossus
minor gust
oh nice how did you like it
manic stirrup
minor gust
Also I see that spear
minor gust
you think its worth?
manic stirrup
oh nice how did you like it
pretty frusting getting all your crits outside of the damage amp
play what you prefer
slayer less frustrating
minor gust
well see ill decide on something when we get there. Still doing Kyveza prog
Either I be lazy and focus on living and play some thane fury or do I want to actually put some effort in and play arms
runic tartan
did anyone test if they at least fixed animations? 😄
next flame
Well considering cleave's animation has been broken since the start of tww i would say no
nova marsh
Cleave's animation never changed for me