arms

[tacit crystal]

with summons

whats new

[slim cypress]

Can you put duskthread lining on a weapon?

[spare flame]

What the heck happened to Arms yesterday? I was competing with tanks for DPS in heroic raid farm last night. (Slight exageration, but still nuts)

[tacit crystal]

i dont believe so

[empty sluice]

Give me back ss+bs combo

[spare flame]

Didn’t see anything that should have tanked us in patch notes…

[worn quiver]

so i was looking at the arms best gear guide and when i got to the crafted section
i found this under crafting order

[fervent glen]

is sweeping strikes animation just straight up broken for any other taurens?

[signal coyote]

yes its broken

[fervent glen]

cool, good to know im not crazy

[signal coyote]

as far as i can tell the ability itself is bugged

need to test it out on dummies

[fervent glen]

i mean, im a little crazy to still be playing arms buuut

[shadow ibex]

its p grim

[empty sluice]

Yea you can compete with prot pal

[shadow ibex]

with bugs

[cloud gyro]

all tauren animations are fucked

[karmic reef]

is reap the storm from unhinged broken on arms too?

[cloud gyro]

yep

[astral talon]

how thhe fuck did blizz actually manage to break fucking execute aniimation when sweeping???????

[signal coyote]

okay i tested it, sweeping strikes does work but the animation is broken

[karmic reef]

[cloud gyro]

if you play female tauren your cleaves damage numbers show up 1 second later

[signal coyote]

but either way, we are expected to not play warrior this season so there's just another reason

[shadow ibex]

never seen a patch go back to CN levels

[fervent glen]

shoulda just lived my survival hunter dreams

[shadow ibex]

kudos to bliz

[cloud gyro]

i think theyre just slowly gaslighting us into playing demolish

[worn quiver]

is warbreaker not the play anymore for m+ and using collossus smash one instead?

[thorn pelican]

bringing slayers st down to demolish tier isnt exactly what i was hoping for to balance the specs

[signal coyote]

the play is to play fury mountain thane in m+ in my experience, but idk after the new nerfs

[worn quiver]

i dont think arms has access to mountain thane?

[signal coyote]

you have access to switch to fury 😄

sorry im salty af

[regal wharf]

i fucking hate blizzard

[thick kelp]

Technically we are

since aug hooks are broken

xdd

[shadow ibex]

kudos for turning patch to CN levels mid season

really outdid themselves

[tacit crystal]

always have been

[potent cedar]

I like how

all 3 classes/specs I wanted to play this season

[tacit crystal]

are bad

🙂

[potent cedar]

just get either gutted or straight up broken

[tacit crystal]

yam make a dk with me

come come

[potent cedar]

I have a dk

but they've made frost worse

[tacit crystal]

play uh

[potent cedar]

so I gotta go unholy lmao

[tacit crystal]

its better

[remote swallow]

Hey guys what spec are you guys running in keys ?

[tacit crystal]

all

[teal fossil]

Ele sham

[remote swallow]

i meant as Arms

[potent cedar]

I was enjoying enh but they literally broke the spec

[tacit crystal]

as arms there is aoe slayer jugg art bleed one against many and fishy

[remote swallow]

Aight

[regal wharf]

im still gonna play arms because i love arms

but like

literally

why

[potent cedar]

maybe I'll just install hekili and play fury

[regal wharf]

all you had to do

was nerf fury a bit

why did we get strays

[potent cedar]

dude

this whole season has been constant strays

IRRELEVANT shit getting nerfed for no reason

fury pads a little so nuke the entire class into the ground

I'm bitter

[tacit crystal]

yam learning fury isnt hard

you dont need hekili

[random wasp]

fury is piss simple
(and fun)

specially if you're playing RA

[slow saddle]

On fury u feel like u top dps

Just dont look details

[livid cloak]

I get bored on fury after 2 or 3 dungeons

Idk

[zenith dagger]

fury is def funner than last xpac but i liked the randomness of arms damage in s4 it made it rlly fun in keys, give me big whirlwind back plz

[river ridge]

TBH it depends on what your group needs. If you need consistent AoE I've found Colossus Builds to be better than Slayer. But if my team needs Single target I'd play Slayer.

[zenith dagger]

that might be an unpopular opinion cuz arms aoe rotation was kind of a mess but i liked it

[spare flame]

Starting to feel Fury may be an appropriate direction sadly….time to re-gear for opposite stat priority (thanks Blizzard).. Arms feels proc heavy this season but fun to play, just discouraging when you feel like you nailed it on a fight and a tanks DPS is nipping at your heels.

[warped ether]

is sweeping strikes working correctly ?

[zenith dagger]

p sure its just the animation thats bugged

[warped ether]

it dosent spread my ms at times it seems like

i swear it dosent work at times

[spare flame]

If it’s bugging that may explain some of the DPS losses

[icy mulch]

Or just get stuck in Prot jail gor the season.

[half vine]

There are no bugs at all in this patch. In fact I think all the devs deserve a 50% salary bonus payout for how great this one patch has truly been

[spare flame]

Ugh, true story, but then I need to learn M+ routes.

[icy mulch]

I wanted to start Arms, felt like ass. Tried fury, gutted... well, I was already tanking for keys with friends and guild. Stuck with it.

[austere hamlet]

are u still running this on ovinax? I'm trying colo on it rn and it seems to slap

[half vine]

Best patch in modern wow history

[sick gazelle]

m+ routes are not that hard to learn. you are killing most things. its just knowing what pulls you can get away with

plus as dps u can just watch what your tanks are doing and copy them

[icy mulch]

Do you find you have trouble spending rage at times?

[loud wadi]

SS still bugged?

[icy mulch]

I have a bunch of routes I cooked up. Not MDI shit, but more focused on pulls for big aoe, rest pull, etc.

I can say they are very efficient with count. Nothing silly required Ala shroud, invis pots, etc.

[astral talon]

havent done any progress this week

[astral talon]

no

[icy mulch]

I'll have to give it a go. I found the last time I played BL & EB I was rage capping with nothing but slam to spam.

[steel ferry]

colossus have any bug?

[icy mulch]

Yes, not enough dps.

[livid cloak]

You didn't nail it then just fyi

[valid flame]

Kekw

[livid cloak]

Colossus 1.8m dps, not enough

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/over-the-hedge-enough-is-never-enough-movie-film-animals-gif-1031241338745248059

[vagrant ridge]

How hard did arms get nerfed ST? Simming lower than fury now

[regal wharf]

only above aug

lmao

[tacit crystal]

wrong

aug logs have been broken for over a year

aug is not bottom ever

[vagrant ridge]

Had a 60k + sim advantage over arms

its just gone

22k behind now

[slow saddle]

Arms is

😅

[astral talon]

are we sure it was only overwhelm nerf?

cuz it was fucking 2% XD

[slow saddle]

We were that close

[whole cargo]

colossal or slayer best for m+?

[icy mulch]

Well

[vestal crag]

Do sims in AOE for Mad queens mandate take into account the 1 min reduction?

[teal fossil]

no

[royal escarp]

war arm in raid is dead or what

even on ST i am last one on dps

before i was the firest one

[astral talon]

Warrior overall is terrible now xD

[royal escarp]

fuck blizzard

nerf after nerf

[weak rain]

same xd

my bm ele and rogue does 2x my dam

[cloud gyro]

i was doing significantly less damage in raid today

fried spec

prob a lot of bugs happening

[fervent glen]

definetly seems bugged out, the visual bugs alone are crazy

[smoky brook]

did blizzard stealth buff mobs in dungeons?

the damage they do hurts so much more

any1 else noticed?

[manic stirrup]

if u were first before this week and are now last

something else is going on lol

[royal escarp]

what do you think

[uncut gazelle]

Source?

[gaunt owl]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[manic stirrup]

partially rng

i mean i played colossus and was like top 6 on sikran

[hot delta]

Hey! is any Streamer/Mythic Raider playing Arms atm? Feels like everyone switch to Fury

[manic stirrup]

yeah me

[hot delta]

can u link logs or do you stream? 🙂

[manic stirrup]

i didnt stream most of reclear though but i will tonight for silken court reclear and ansurek prog

private logs sorry

what do you wanna see though

[tranquil sundial]

arms is dead

[hot delta]

Mainly when to use CDS, you just use them on cd or wait for everything to come up?

[tranquil sundial]

nowhere close to the top

[manic stirrup]

i just send on cds always

[hot delta]

Also, wanted to check on Talents, for Single and Aoe in raid

[plain latch]

trick is dont play arms

[manic stirrup]

besides on silken court where u save for a bit here and there

[plain latch]

go prot

[tranquil sundial]

we wanna go fury everywhere now no?

[manic stirrup]

u beat my log hopefully the 100 locked lol

wanna keep the 100 colossus

[tranquil sundial]

yee

[manic stirrup]

oh bless it locked

[tranquil sundial]

whiffed 1 thunderous roar and let my jugger drop on it, suprised it even got there somehow

[tranquil sundial]

must've just gotten lucky on crits or smth 🤷

[hot delta]

In raid you play Colossus or Slayer?

[manic stirrup]

one of my demolishes 3rd hit missed bc boss dashed lmfao i was so sad

[hot delta]

or just depends on the fight

[manic stirrup]

slayer is better if not bugged

[hot delta]

oh

[manic stirrup]

with the bug theyre even

[tranquil sundial]

colossus is cooler tho

[hot delta]

Haven´t tried Colossus yet, but looks fun

Im coming back from a break so this hero talent thing is kinda new to me

[manic stirrup]

demolish can get parrued

[rapid bronze]

Lel

[manic stirrup]

so be prepared to crash out at any given cs/demolish cast

[hot delta]

Damn

[royal escarp]

you haste > crit or haste > mast

you are*

[manic stirrup]

haste crit

[hot delta]

oh yeh, stats im not sure about the %

How much crit and haste do u need

[royal escarp]

how much do you have on haste

[royal escarp]

me too ><

[manic stirrup]

sim your characters gear

like 16k no buffs

as slayed

slayer

[hot delta]

will do

Going to check ur stream later if you are on 🙂

[manic stirrup]

3 hours from now

[hot delta]

[lilac lava]

it's joever isn't it brothers.

[spare goblet]

Til january prob lol

[solemn fractal]

they are doing more balancing next reset

[spare goblet]

Hesitant to expect a last minute afterthought patch note to change much. it very well could be good though.

[sacred zodiac]

i talked to the warrior dev we agreed on another round of fury nerfs

[solemn fractal]

just nerf all specs to the ground so nobody plays the class

fixes it too

[spare goblet]

This is how you know there is a no warrior 'dev'

The -5% holy paladin patch note they let slip a few weeks ago also was very telling on who is doing balancing notes.

[plain latch]

guys hear me out what if we buffed slam by 5%

[woven wasp]

🧑‍🍳

[astral talon]

Ok but what about 3% aura nerf to arms?

Overperforming on all fronts

[summer quartz]

buff slam by 5% but nerf Mortal strike by 20%.

[vague nova]

Slam also cleaves. And does improved damage during execute. Also applies rend.

Execute talents and MS talents function on slam

All we do is slam

[plain latch]

and welcome to the jam

[sharp wyvern]

Icon changes are not gameplay changes imo

[shadow ibex]

Warbringer devs

What did you expect

[minor gust]

warbringer!

[astral talon]

Old spear icon was better

[minor gust]

[sharp wyvern]

Poop color class gets poop colored spear

[quartz canopy]

I can't believe they still haven't even fixed the name on the changelogs lol

[sharp wyvern]

It makes total sense

[sharp wyvern]

Do we even know if it isn't actually warbringer

[quartz canopy]

If it was warbringer, it wouldn't be under pve changes

[sharp wyvern]

Cause it is aoe

Yeah but not having fixed a spelling issue at this point is insane

[shadow ibex]

Its the second time they've done it

[sharp wyvern]

They had 2 months

[shadow ibex]

So they just don't know

They used Warbringer when talking about warbreaker in DF

So just actually don't know

[quartz canopy]

It's hilarious they mispelled it in the first place, and it's even funnier that it's been mispelled for weeks already and they didn't fix it

[sharp wyvern]

And then they remove the hotfix from last week add it back and then change /bug things no one even talked about

[rapid bronze]

Man I haven’t seen this level of low morale and chat volume on the warrior discord ever

What a shitshow

We are already at the depression stage of grief

[minor gust]

rough beta cycle into repeated nerf into arms also recieving stray after stray will do that

all because fury was op on 3 bosses in the raid

[sharp wyvern]

No embrace the meme its all good

[wind flicker]

🙂

[potent cedar]

bruh

arms feels awful

[manic stirrup]

warrior is nudle

[minor gust]

we doomed all of alpha/beta on how bad arms feels to play

[fossil thistle]

Because unhinged isn't consuming EP or OP stacks, is it fair to 2x OP opener/use SD proc before pressing the spinny button?

[rapid bronze]

This is the alpha

We are the alpha testers

[chrome bramble]

what would you guys say pull more dps in mythic slayer or colossus ? I know both good, i want to pump for what arms can pump

[minor gust]

always has been

[quasi torrent]

arms has been shit for a while
it's time to let go

[minor gust]

theres so many other factors to this question its not as simple as this one better than that one in all dungeons/comps

[minor gust]

yeah

[potent cedar]

arms feels like shit on queen

[quasi torrent]

it feels shit everywhere

[chrome bramble]

just looking for whats more consistently preforming on top with the two trees

[manic stirrup]

depends on boss

colossus (probably?) better on broodtwister and maybe on silken court

slayer everything else

[minor gust]

someone said Revvez was playing ST arms on broodtwister today kek

[lilac lava]

Was pugging heroic queen yesterday, and holy hell did I feel useless

[potent cedar]

yep

I bladestorm the webs and they die fast tho

shame no one else cleaves there

fuckin annoying

[lilac lava]

meanwhile ele sham was gapping the next person by 100m

[fresh spire]

i would aswell

fury reap bugs are kinda sad for overall, may as well let eleshaman explode adds and you just explode boss

[minor gust]

tbh I would aswell tonight if we had our ele shaman but hes been on vacation for the past week so hes missing out

[solemn finch]

@manic stirrup do you stream on Twitch or somewhere?

[manic stirrup]

twitch.tv/itzchocotime

not as much as i should

[solemn finch]

just checked it out, go for it sometimes

[fresh spire]

i played slayer arms playing around the BS unhinged bug using some cursed tech was pretty fun

hit a natty 5.3m MS from brutal finish

[weak rain]

And then you look at enh/ele doimg their demolish cast(lightning bolt) for 15 mil

[fresh spire]

i take what i can get

[slim badger]

u guys playing slayer or col for m+?

[hot current]

col

[slim badger]

are u just using the build in dps-faq?

[hot current]

dont go slayer in m+

[hot current]

yeah

[slim badger]

thanks

[hot current]

you can take empowered cleave in colossus tree, which is really good for forti weeks

[dim sleet]

Anyone running battle lord in m+?

[sour field]

anyone test heart of roccor trinket?

[glacial shale]

Are we using colossus instead of slayer for m+ now?

[potent cedar]

guy in hc queen shitting on my damage

says I should be doing 1m dps

I look at logs and literally the first guy to do 1m on that fight is 625 ilvl

[cunning pond]

Do you hold demo for smash, or smash for demo ?

Or neither?

[uneven yacht]

i feel like arms is catching a buff tuesday

even the st sucks now

[pulsar elk]

they fookin better

cuz this is some horseshit fr

[uneven yacht]

arms dooming is real, fury dooming is half fake

[pulsar elk]

i know its max ranks but still like wtf is that gap

[uneven yacht]

even our st sucks

outside rashanan whre you have execute almost the whole fight

[pulsar elk]

just obviously 0 testing into these ele changes lmao

[bronze ether]

I'm pretty sure if you exclude rashnan and silken court we are dead last overall next to a support spec.

That's badass

Honestly

[pulsar elk]

https://clips.twitch.tv/MagnificentClearYamJKanStyle-2hjFzA-vECCdWsJK

lmao ele sham doing 27m dps on a pull in a key

[shadow ibex]

gotta nerf war more

[pulsar elk]

idc how nitpicked this clip is, that shouldnt be possible for any class

[pulsar elk]

lmao right, when in doubt

gonna put together a mythic group with as many ele as i can find and get carried

[zinc rapids]

all the frost rerollers who left warr having to play a dot spec now

[pulsar elk]

lmaoo

tbf unholy seems annoying to play xD

[olive nest]

Just never re roll

Ez

[zinc rapids]

unholy is more fun now than last xpac, they got rid of a lot of annoying stuff, but bursting wounds is dated gameplay tbh

[pulsar elk]

i just have a ret main and a arms/prot main that stay within 2 ilvls of eachother so when one gets the nerfhammer i dont feel too too bad

[olive nest]

I heard opener is 7 abilities instead of 15

[pulsar elk]

oh right on my only xp of unholy is from cata and i hated it tbh

when u compare it to frost its hilariously more complicated too

at least it used to be idk now

[balmy cradle]

what do we think about this tree?

[zinc rapids]

I'd say it's less annoying than breath if I'm honest. People basically want frost to be similar to arms and there's a lot of stuff in frost that is anti-fun.

Arms is supposed to be fun because it's pure 2hand bonking on the head at the end of the day

[livid cloak]

got damn these shaman changes

D:

Where's my aura buff

[short crescent]

thats nothing, shaman are bursting for like 26mil

https://clips.twitch.tv/MagnificentClearYamJKanStyle-2hjFzA-vECCdWsJK

[crimson steppe]

How do they manage to make a Hero Spec based around Bladestorm bad at M+?

[languid turtle]

[nova marsh]

I mean

It's based around exe in reality

But I don't think slayer is nessisarily bad

It's just not an aoe nuking god

[vast hinge]

You could give arms a 10% aura buff right now

And I’d still take a FDK over it

[runic tartan]

10% on some fights could be a lot tbh

but ye warr in general is just shit atm compared to the others

fury still has some good use for adds at least

but ye its sadge

[vast hinge]

Just talking keys specifically

Arms does no damage and is like squishy as hell with 0 utility

[runic tartan]

ah well, not so much warriors fault tbh. even with really good damage we lack utility and group wide usefull buffs, cuz of meta

and defensives

[manic stirrup]

utilty isnt real

arms is tanky

[runic tartan]

it is, but its not a mage alter timing back to full hp

or dk fully ignoring damage for 20 seconds

[vast hinge]

Dks can eat a frontal from marauder

Without defensive popped

At +12

[nova marsh]

You could buff arms by 200%

And arms would still be fucking f tier

[runic tartan]

i dont think warrior has been S tier for m+ since shadowlands maybe? or was it even then

[nova marsh]

Never

Espically not arms lmao

[runic tartan]

but its mostly the meta being revolved too much around magic damage imo

and warrs bring nothing for casters

[nova marsh]

I mean

To be fair

Warrior has a LOT of defensives for that

To the point where we're lowkey fucked when physical damage pops up

because SR is useless

[runic tartan]

not magic dmg taken, but group doing magic dmg and amplifying that magic dmg

[nova marsh]

Well yeah

Wow is a casters game

[runic tartan]

exactly

[nova marsh]

has been for a very long

The reality is warrior will never be meta

[runic tartan]

and thats the issue, when you have a class only buffing phys dmg

[nova marsh]

and that's fine

[runic tartan]

when legit no class is pure phys anymore other than fkn warrs?

maybe monks?

but they suffer the same

[nova marsh]

....okay let me clarify

Bshout is NOT physical only

it is ATTACK POWER

Very, very different

[runic tartan]

i know

[nova marsh]

We buff shamans. we buff DKs. They do magic damage

[runic tartan]

but what does ATTACK POWER do for a mager

[nova marsh]

I mean

Be a bit more clear plz

[runic tartan]

my bad

so long as mages are bis

[nova marsh]

This is kind of a misleading statement is where i got that from

[runic tartan]

warrs are bin

[vast hinge]

There’s already a prot warrior in the group

That does that

[runic tartan]

and that too ^

[nova marsh]

yeah that's the other problem

the instant prot is good fury and arms basically eat shit

Same thing happened in DF s1 actually

But honestly?

Dude stop thinking about just the meta. Yeah we'll never be meta, that dosen't mean we can't be good

Warriors will always be looked down upon, even we actually are meta

[manic stirrup]

not true at all

also the best specs in the game right now

the specs ppl are complaining about

outside of ele which is a disgusting outlier

are rogue enhance frost dk ret

the best specs are melee

and we are complaining that casters are usually meta

the opposite is true and we are complaining about what used to be true

[manic stirrup]

prot is always good

consistently top 3 tank for years and years

[nova marsh]

Yeah

And thus, arms and fury stay down

because tanks don't usually bring "nessisary" utility like a CR

Or lust

I mean none of them bring lust

[vast hinge]

Don’t need to worry about lust this season

There’s only Rsham healers

[nova marsh]

But even one of the 3 CRs on tanks is absoutle dogshit almost unsuable for them (if they didn't remove the HP requirement on Prot pally what the fuck are they doin)

true

Which is actually great for arms! LMAO

FREE SKYFURY

[vast hinge]

I’m at the point where I don’t know how to play keys with another healer

[nova marsh]

Kinda same tbh

[vast hinge]

Every key I’ve timed above a 10 is with Rsham

[nova marsh]

I internally sigh when I don't see a shaman

Like in general

Like over half of my runs in even "casual" keys have been with one shaman

[runic tartan]

well ye, mastery and skyfury is giga

but i play with priests and paladin healers too

but ofc, i have a shaman dps then

[nova marsh]

Well yeah they fuck

Espically rle now Jesus christ

[runic tartan]

its crazy they actually just did a hotfix

and didnt adress ele

big X to the D

or our bugged talent

but I guess we can cope and say they might just not know how to fix it yet

[nova marsh]

Which bugged talent?

[runic tartan]

unhinged

[open mango]

they’re gonna buff colossus right?

[cunning hound]

sweeping strikes not working as well

doesn't cleave 2nd target

idk how it's possible to fuck that up

[runic tartan]

brooo

i swear i thought the same

but i think its just the animation

cuz it did deal dmg and apply rend/deep wounds

[cunning hound]

it didnt for me

and i checked logs

i couldnt cleave on council

seems like they hotfixed unhinged

[manic stirrup]

they just did like a week ago

[cunning hound]

u call that a buff ?

[manic stirrup]

i mean u can debate on how much of a buff it was

but it was a buff

[cunning hound]

that was a joke

this hero class tree is hot garbage and can only be played on 1 encounter and u have to be pretty good to pull it off

i wouldn't be surprised if they rework it

[minor gust]

@fresh spire whats your cursed ovinax build I might actually be able to play arms

[manic stirrup]

its like a few % behind slayer

[runic tartan]

thats interesting...

is it reported anywhere tho? i expected it to be since its so obvious when ur animations are not even the same anymore

man truly how can u mess up so much in 1 patch xd

[thick hamlet]

bros look

can we all agree that dooming right now makes no sense

tuning changes confirmed for next reset already

when we get nerfed next tuesday, that's when we doom

[runic tartan]

where?

[quartz canopy]

I think it's fair to doom a little bit when we don't know if any positive tuning is coming

You'd hope they will buff us but

I don't have the confidence

[runic tartan]

completely missed that. but also, there is 0 guarantee that warrior is included in that 😄

or even buffed (!)

[livid cloak]

Played this a bit in keys tonight

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6VkWVzVH7wKQeaiB1oSgtN

Felt pretty good tbh. Wasn't as fun as fishy build, but more balanced prio st dam

Pretty standard bleed build

[runic tartan]

do u have dmg every pull with that?

[livid cloak]

Yea

[runic tartan]

and is boss dmg ok?

could u share an overall maybe

[livid cloak]

I had a 1.8 mil overall in necrotic wake

I posted it earlier

[runic tartan]

u did yes

maybe i try some arms keys

i did sikran on mythic tonight as arms

unfort it was a very messy kill, 70% died

but it still felt ait

[quartz canopy]

they nerfed elemental shaman btw

somehow they only nerfed lightning rod for elemental and not enhancement

which is curious, I didn't know they could do that

[thick hamlet]

10%?

[quartz canopy]

yeah I don't know, seems like nothing

[thick hamlet]

does that mean going from 20% to 18%?

[runic tartan]

xd

[thick hamlet]

or down by 10%

[runic tartan]

that is barely a nerf tbh

[livid cloak]

Did 1 mil on 1st boss gb 10 no lust. About 1.2 mil on 2nd boss gb10 with lust

Felt solid

[runic tartan]

thats alright tbh

fury just has that ease over it. instant dmg

which is why its nerfed as well tbh

but i will deffo go for some arms keys later today

[livid cloak]

I also redid my jewelry pieces for a pretty even crit haste mastery balance

Following raidbots

[runic tartan]

i have a lot of crit still, my warr alt is still fairly new and just havent had the luck

[vague nova]

I played this but with but with one deft and bloodeborn into 2/2 critical thinking and it plays nice, helps bridge the gap between slayer lack of aoe and colo lack of ST

[livid cloak]

I bet you don't actually gain st doing that

Losing the bloodborn point with arterial bleed is probably more than the gain

[tacit crystal]

^

[vague nova]

sims say even in ST 1t 5m and 2.4% higher in aoe, 5m 5t and even in 8t 5m

for me atleast

[livid cloak]

Its a 3k dps increase for me to do that on st

[vague nova]

im sure its all very close

[livid cloak]

And a loss in aoe

[tacit crystal]

SEAN GO BACK TO NELF

[runic tartan]

man even CLEAVE animation is fked

[tacit crystal]

PELASE

PELASE

PLEASE

[runic tartan]

hooooow

[livid cloak]

Nah I like my drac thyr

[runic tartan]

THIS IS THE CLEAVE ANIMATION NOW

I CANT

its a fkn slam

mylawd

how can they fail so hard man 😦

@livid cloak sorry for the tag, whats the rule for demolish in aoe? hit as many as possible with sweeping strikes up or do we not care about sweeping?

[manic stirrup]

massacre for battlelord should be better with arterial bleed

[thick hamlet]

day 3 of asking whether ignore pain is working as intended or not

tooltip says 1.8mill absorb, but buff says 380k

[minor gust]

Day 69 usually works

[soft sigil]

The buff has to be built up, it's a prot mechanic basically. For arms you will never really reach the cap due to the cooldown on IP

[thick hamlet]

wow it's really bad then i guess

[runic tartan]

its a bad oh shit button that costs rage at this point

but who knows, maybe it will save ur life!

[vague nova]

It had niche uses in dungeons in DF, like the last spider boss in atal’dazar you could stack it if you didn’t take avoidable damage and live the one shot in a +30

[teal fossil]

they already do this for some warrior stuff as well

specifically for prot vs the other one

but yeah the slayer nerf is just lazy

[dry frost]

So um

I’m usually not a doomer but

Arms is kinda dogshit lmao

Fighting augs for dps now

[vale gorge]

Main problem imo is rage génération. Execute's phase is a pain

[boreal quartz]

No?

If ur slayer with shaman rage is fine

You just dont deal any real damage outside of exe

Unless you crit a shit on

Juggernaut is just gamba and if you roll into exe with a 10 stack ur actually a real class

If you build from 15 and then dont crit ur LB ms ur just in bozotown

[flat willow]

what if I'm colossus and don't have a shaman

[dry frost]

Yeah it feels super gamba just praying for procs and that you don’t have to press slam 100 times . If I get like 8 sd procs in opener I’m top dps and if I get 2 procs I’m bottom dps

And then I have a stacked MS and it gets parried or CS gets parried and I’m -100k dps

Can’t believe I stopped playing assa in raid for this bs lmao

[boreal quartz]

Respec

[boreal quartz]

Or it doesnt crit

MS variance is disgusting

From 400k to almost 3 mil for me

Ms nerf also makes you wait for tier, one change to exe dam or new tier not buffing ms

And ur gonna ms for bleeds only

[vital summit]

just buff baseline MS/Cleave and nerf all the stupid % modifiers

[balmy kindle]

There's a reason why crit tends to SIM so well along with haste

[boreal quartz]

Correct

[thick kelp]

20% my beloved

[boreal quartz]

Jugg also have to go

[balmy kindle]

Never liked jugg anyways

[vital summit]

2 OP stacks > 60% modifier, 2 exec. precision 70% modifier... that's 4 GCDs to make Mortal strike to actually do some damage...

also 4p set another 20%

[boreal quartz]

And cs

And Avatar

And overwhelmed

And trinkets potentially

And mastery

And monk

[vital summit]

those are fine TBH

[boreal quartz]

And parried

[thick kelp]

Brutal finish

MP needs to die btw

[boreal quartz]

Overwhelmed is ass

[balmy kindle]

Crit >> everything tbf

[boreal quartz]

@thick kelp i did colossus on some Queen pulls

[vital summit]

just make OP stack 5% (10 max) and exe precision 7 (15 max)

[boreal quartz]

I was very high if i had 45%+ crit on ms

[balmy kindle]

Annoying when u stack all the modifiers and it's a 1m+ non crit

[thick kelp]

Sorry to hear that

[boreal quartz]

Avg crit i was turbo dead

[boreal quartz]

I meant princess

Cant think

[thick kelp]

hahaha

[vital summit]

and buff MS/cleave accordingly

[thick kelp]

Ye it was cranking

Fishy was coming out of first inter at like 2mil dps

[boreal quartz]

Like ill obviously slayer arm the boss

[thick kelp]

with some funny unhinged playin around

as slayer

[boreal quartz]

But if ur in the wipe at 10 second prog part

Also mandate

Prepull crit boss melees me

I get assassinated

[thick kelp]

LOOVE mandate

[boreal quartz]

Ye multi crit mandate pulls are disgusting

[thick kelp]

its like beacon

but more coinflip

xd

[boreal quartz]

It's also timer gamba

Cuz u could use it prepull

Or after cs runs out

Which is with overwhelmed

Ans then more dam

[vital summit]

never be as Draught of Souls + War CRY cool

[balmy kindle]

Mandate works on Cs?

[tacit crystal]

is mandate affected by deep wounds

[balmy kindle]

Isn't it like a separate nuke that can crit

[thick kelp]

it works with overwhelmed

and the amp after demolish

[summer shore]

I think this works well for me

[rare bane]

Can I just play arms and feel like a normal dps in m+ instead of busting my ass to squeeze dmg while pallies and dks just roll their face ignore all dmg and still do more dmg than me?

[vital summit]

Yes, do a follower dungeon and pretend it's m+

[rare bane]

T.T Istg I refuse to reroll, I cannot give up just, I have hope hope that oneday we will be decent

[vital summit]

[ebon garden]

we are "decent" ust not on the APM side and need planets to align every 32 of each months

[rare bane]

We arent decent my friend

if you have to break your wrists, do 6 gcds and smash your keys perfectly in time just to be outdone by every class

[ebon garden]

yeah, but glory await us for whom who persist in insanity : Atheennaa Orc Warrior !!

[balmy cradle]

arms is getting buffed next week for sureeeee

[rare bane]

Copium

[ebon garden]

i just want a kinda rework

[rare bane]

they want arms to be a beast st, but really you only have 2 bosses in the whole content that is st

then what? xD

[vital summit]

they buff arms and nerf the everliving shit out of slayer/colossus

[rare bane]

be honest would you take an arms queueing to your m+ 10+ keys?

over any other class xD

[rare kite]

Have you seen arms st? Clearly they do not

[balmy kindle]

Swaps to prot, instantly gets invited

[rare bane]

St isnt bad ngl I still pump in st pure raid bosses but not enough content to justify it

[balmy kindle]

Nobody is declining a 620 Colo tank

[balmy cradle]

I got invited twice today q8^)

[rare bane]

Twice is 2 times less than any other class xD

with less rating

[balmy cradle]

had to only run my key this season because I basically never get invited

very fun q8^)

[boreal quartz]

Wait for sl remix

Or classic shadowlands

[balmy kindle]

Pugging as any melee dps that's not S tier is a waste of time, guild keys / friends or just play prot and brick others keys

Play prot, link some rando MDT and hope your team is good enough to carry

[midnight mural]

just go W route every dungeon

[balmy kindle]

If you brick their key, the next key is 3 mins Away

[balmy kindle]

I do actually, i see it as payback for discriminating against brown dps

If blizzard is not gonna fix brown dps, then I see no reason why we should be ethical

[strange perch]

You are not far from truth anon.

[balmy kindle]

I don't like it but realistically melee dps has always been like this, but brown class is worse this season

[balmy cradle]

it is a massive waste of time, I spend more time waiting for my key to fill up than playing the game

I spent 2 hours waiting on my +9 tirna scythe to fill up today when I have timed an 11 XD

[balmy kindle]

Let me guess tank and healer shortage

[balmy cradle]

dps didnt want to apply either 🙂

found one eventually after the 2 hours and it was an easy +2 so yeah very hard

[serene glacier]

You have to post the key as an 8, put it in and just do the 9

[balmy kindle]

Everyone wants a easy 10

[balmy cradle]

I just want to play the game but blizzard doesnt like that gg

[serene glacier]

Yeah you basically want to be in a team at best and at worst be in a larger raiding guild that does a lot of keys

[balmy cradle]

yeah probably need to find a guild

I dont mind playing with randoms but the wait time is killing me

[slow saddle]

I dreamt we got overnight buffs...

But thats feral

[vernal briar]

How we doing bois, I’m starting a daily check up on y’all cause we are NOT fine

Always remember, those who wait.. will probably wait some more

[vital summit]

Still beating a support class (barely) so I guess that's nerfworthy

[thick kelp]

not even beating

their log hooks are still fucked

[manic oriole]

I think you guys should get another rotational ability and a stray nerf btw

[vital summit]

nerf execute

[limpid hornet]

Blizzard devs if you read this (obv they don't otherwise they wouldn't be so shit at their job), i challenge Mak'gora to all of you

[vital summit]

also reduce damage on MS and make a new modifier to increase MS damage on Slam

[vague nova]

Slam buffs when

[rare bane]

oh look at me am a warrior I bring a shitty shout on 3m cd please can I join you 12+ borales

oh nvm they got an ele sham, dk and ret

[vital summit]

Nerf Rallying cry to 5% and Battle shout to 1% Perception

[rare bane]

bruhhh nerf sweeping its too strong

[vital summit]

make it to sweep the damage back to warrior

[rare bane]

thunderclapping my rends everywhere thats too strong too

[worldly kernel]

interns at blizzard tuning classes with an excel spreadsheet and normal logs

[rare bane]

Nah you wanna work for blizzard? 1st question what do you think about balancing / answer, warriors kinda need a nerf. Hired

[manic oriole]

Blizzard devs snort a line and say “you know all those warrior mains who spent 100 dollars and weeks of their time this expansion? Yeah FUCK EM”

[worldly kernel]

no man you think im joking they actually balance damage with a spreadsheet 🤫

[rare bane]

How do they see the current state and go, you what do arms have incommon with fury? Roar? yeah lets nerf that, they have too much aoe, but pallis and dks are finee eles need a buff too

[worldly kernel]

i mean the roar damage isn't even that big it was just for the initial damage not even the dot it still doesn't make sense though

[rare bane]

the whole spec barely has 1 over 3k io xD

yeah but its like they are breaking your moral

yeah we know roar isnt that big but we aint buffing you, we still find ways to nerf you

[worldly kernel]

I mean to be fair arms is also one of those specs that has extremely little representation in terms of who's playing it in content. it's usually either middle of the pack or it performs very good. it's a really niche spec

[rare bane]

maybe if it was any good

it will see more play

[worldly kernel]

even when it was good not that many people played it over fury

it ended up being a spec that was evenly played, not even significantly over the other

[rare bane]

then why not make it good since not many will play it

I dont get the reason of not making it good at all

gimme a worse dps rn, besides maybe bm

even shadow performs well in 11+ keys

[worldly kernel]

people just don't like the playstyle, I don't know I don't make decisions for people if they wanna play a spec or not. A big part of the wow community will play things that require minimal effort for maximum amount of output which is why people flock to FOTM every time something gets extremely busted, the only time I can think about when arms was actually extremely good was MOP and maybe like s4 BFA with corruptions and still even then people will always prefer fury over arms in most situations because of the playstyle difference and how easier fury is to play. It's more straight forward with less effort

[teal fossil]

9.1 arms was the strongest arms in the past couple years

But it wasn’t anything special

It was Just tuned high

[worldly kernel]

didn't even pay attention to sland I don't think i played warrior that whole xpac

[rare bane]

I am not saying make me a dk, but make me viable not to feel shit when I bust my ass to do dmg its frustrating but I guess thats life of a warrior

I only play priest/rogue since vanila, this is the first time ever I try something else I always loved arms so I figured how bad can it be xD

oh boy

[worldly kernel]

I mean in raid you're getting outdps'd by everyone in pretty much every fight as arms. It's still VERY viable in keys as dps, people just don't play it, again there are better specs that do way more damage

[rare bane]

No, I think I am way way more viable in raids

[limpid hornet]

Wasn't the case a few weeks ago tho

[rare bane]

it was since week 1

youre always good in raids

[limpid hornet]

If you were outdps'd on Sikran as Arms

the issue isn't the class

[rare bane]

true, but thats just because of bad luck or getting targeted I think youd still be top 3 or 5 at worse

which is decent

but in m+ youre just getting shit on xD

[limpid hornet]

I mean

[rare bane]

like I really really try so hard and barly do 1.4 overall

[limpid hornet]

You're getting shit on everywhere right now so

[rare bane]

but like REALLLLY hard

[limpid hornet]

I don't even feel playing the game anymore

[rare bane]

I feel you, I can reroll but I am really not an alts kind of player so it feels shit

its frustrating that you have to do much more than other specs, just to be close to them not even as strong just like to be not looked down upon 😛

[limpid hornet]

And that's IF you have a group to play with, because pugs won't even invite you

[worldly kernel]

don't remember the last time I pugged lol I have a group, thank the lord they tolerate me playing arms

[rare bane]

yeah you have to be like 100-200 io over the M+ needs

and even then, you have to hope no one else is queueing

and you have to have insane ilvl

just to be invited to a pug which btw all I have cause I dont actually have a grp xD

also being vulpera doesnt help apparently

[vast helm]

same

playing games should bring me happiness, but I don’t seem to feel this way

[limpid hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-brandon-terry-carson-the-ms-pat-show-good-job-gif-22509570

[cyan oriole]

when are you guys sending demo? i feel like sending it start of pack is best for dps but im ripping aggro off tanks

[thick kelp]

if I have stacks in sending it normally in opener

if no stacks, I wait for 6+

[cyan oriole]

you dont rip aggro off tanks sending it at start? i usually tc, cleave, warbreaker if up, then send demo

and i kept getting aggro that way

[slow saddle]

hmm

DBTS solves this

or meld

😄

[cyan oriole]

yea maybe just tank diff i guess

[slow saddle]

im so glad i chose warrior and not dk as my main in tww

-....-

[violet orbit]

Just tank diff

If it's a blood dk. I know if he has no bone shield charges and runicpower I'll wait abit before I let it rip

[slow saddle]

if he goes into pull with no charges

he pretty fucked ngl 😄

[violet orbit]

But if he's a war tank, you really shouldn't be able to steal aggro

[cyan oriole]

he was pally that i kept ripping off of

[violet orbit]

Unfortunate then

[thick kelp]

xD

Ripping off of pally should be considered a miracle

[violet orbit]

But I heard pally tanks do some sick dps now yea?

[cyan oriole]

yea they might have been undergeared i guess i didnt look

[violet orbit]

Like for me, I charge, demo, spear, ravager, clap, avatar, blast, shield slam, blast

No one has stolen aggro before from that lmao

[slow saddle]

pally has been fixxed

[violet orbit]

Unfortunate then

Prot pally back to the wheelchair

[misty yew]

do we pay attention to 4 set track or just continue rotation as normal

[astral yarrow]

its one of the conditions for when you press MS during execute

but outside that, no you dont care about it

[dim basalt]

It wasn't in a wheelchair before lmao

[paper gulch]

At least its a golden one

[vital axle]

Guys, how do u see using Battlelord and Exhilarating Blows in builds? I hate slamming for filler, and think bout the procs these 2 talents can provide. Is it worth or a potencial loss of DPS as Arms is right now?

[thick kelp]

In a key

u can play talent sets that include those

but in raid

deadaf

[slow saddle]

sadly

unless they

Buff MS Like we want

then we get to have our feedback loop back

[latent moss]

nope

i love slamming

3 times in a row!

[slow saddle]

ok but what if

season 3 sd thing replaced juggernaut in talent tree

and baseline execute was just strong

[proper atlas]

slayer or colossus for m+ 10s ??

[latent moss]

bad news...

arms nerfs..

[thick kelp]

FUCK

[modern tree]

Any blacksmiths that can ginv me and make me an everforged defender? i think im in a bad server group i cant find a single crafter

[daring heron]

look how happy he looks

[latent moss]

[strange perch]

We do not have physical means of having Warrior game designers accountable.

This is root cause of our struggles.

[slow saddle]

is what they need tbh

[strange perch]

Blizz hired “elitist jerks” no need to elaborate further

[untold pewter]

They're honestly being extremely irresponsible with class tuning and balancing

Releasing the patch with this huge list of bugs is pathetic

[sharp wyvern]

Its hilarious thats what it is

[untold pewter]

I mean I don't find it funny that people in my circle are getting so fed up with Blizz bullshit they might actually just stop playing

And they're not wrong, it is bullshit

Like Ascendance not working at all after getting of a visual change, what the heck are they even doing over there

[ornate eagle]

Wdym

You don't think LITERALLY last minute changes to class balance and adding many other class changes after the fact cuz the PTR was only focused on the anniversary event and cleaning up class tree reworks that were planned for xpac launch

Are a good thing?

[untold pewter]

Like who the heck is greenlighting this kind of stuff

[ornate eagle]

That's kinda what happens when you lay off tons of devs and especially QA

[icy mulch]

Really makes ya wonder if anything is being proofread. Lol

[ornate eagle]

Not even proofread

They just have barely any class devs

[icy mulch]

Fuck it, we doing it live. Lol

[ornate eagle]

And none of the senior devs are still around

They all jumped ship

[untold pewter]

Test in production, nobody will see it am I right?

[icy mulch]

Yeah, I've been trying to hammer that point on the official forums. Ppl think it's one guy per class. When in fact it's most likely 3-5 ppl for all class/specs.

[ornate eagle]

Feedback that has been given months ago, untouched

[icy mulch]

At least they fixed some of the bugs from the beta, right?

Right?

[ornate eagle]

Some of them finally yeah

Brutal finish works now!

[untold pewter]

I don't think we've had actual class devs since Legion, or at least that's how it feels

[ornate eagle]

Now that CC is nerfed

[icy mulch]

Let's all find and blame Ghostcrawler again.

[ornate eagle]

You get, atleast prot, one of the other devs assigned to fix shit or clean shit up for like a few weeks,then they're on to the next project

[icy mulch]

Even though he's not even with the company.

[ornate eagle]

It's no longer full-time these X specs/classes

[untold pewter]

Yeah that's what I imagined it was

We're running out of "It is what it is"

[vapid goblet]

feels so weird

like how many employees do they have

[ornate eagle]

Atleast 3!

[raven ivy]

Less than they need and more than they wanna pay for

[thick kelp]

1 for dps 1 for tanks 1 for healers

[wanton sierra]

dont worry fellow arms, i got you

massive banner: replaces fatality talent to massive banner, you let go your sword and now you become an support class, shoutin and inspiring with the presence of the banner, so frost dks and ele xammys can reach much hier on meeters... everyone shall want us for the buff so we gettin invited, and we got warbringer if things get messy, its nerfed now but 5 targets cap so

problem solved

[icy mulch]

I think we ran out of "it is what it is," about 2 nerfs ago.

[icy mulch]

No we are not going back to that part of Shadowlands.

[wanton sierra]

lol!

im tryin to get that old warrior mog set from anniversary, i bought an sword tho... i got some timerwarp coins

[runic copper]

what can you do but laugh..

[rapid bronze]

so traumatized by this balancing im rerolling another spec in another game

[gusty nymph]

Another game starts to sound good 👍

[gaunt owl]

I miss him

But well devs cant do what he did back then

Except if they are allowed to flame back player.

[latent moss]

warframe time

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-hellpods-helldivers-to-hellpods-gif-5111937040159626878

[gusty nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-crying-meme-gif-26327776

[zenith warren]

so if I play demolish build in m+ i want to use slam instead of cleave on ST?

as a filler

[vital summit]

In theory, yes, in reality, you won't get invited to any m+ group as warrior

[zenith warren]

weekly no leaver 10s are good enough ^^

[royal escarp]

Hhhh

[icy mulch]

At least not as DPS. We are in Prot jail.

At least I am.

[astral talon]

Good thing I got my score before the fuckup known as 11.0.5

So i can get into groups by ilvl and score alone

Noone cares about your class if youre 631 equipped xD

[balmy kindle]

Play prot and brick keys of others

Never press IP never press shield wall I will press revenge and demolish

[cerulean acorn]

I've noticed that sometimes when I use execute it puts my bladestorm on 2 sec CD, is that like an intended thing or what is going on with that?

[balmy kindle]

Intended, consuming slayer marks with exe does that

[cerulean acorn]

Feels kinda clunky when I want to use my 2nd stack of sudden death and then bladestorm and all of a sudden there is a cd 😄

[icy mulch]

I mean, I'm 2625 Prot warrior. I haven't played M+ yet, due to work.

I might get invites.

Worst part is, if the bugs/exploits aren't fixed soon the title race is gonna be super fubar.

[halcyon breach]

@quasi torrent

Dracussy

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-peasants-gif-12617726

[quasi torrent]

dwagons

[balmy kindle]

You will lol,I get invites as a 2280 arms main masquerading as prot

High I level tank = invites

[astral talon]

everyone rolling dracthyr XD?

[balmy kindle]

No B elf for life

[flat willow]

hey, at least there will be something other than nelves and dwarves

always look at the bright side

[icy mulch]

I'm only 625.

[icy mulch]

Hell nah, I'm staying Night elf.

[balmy kindle]

625 is might high for 10s

[icy mulch]

I'm working on 11s and 12s.

[balmy kindle]

Like I am 620 I can easily get in 8-10s on pugs

Mb, I am just a weekly vault guy

[icy mulch]

Fair

[balmy kindle]

But at 11s 12s it's probably better to find a group

[icy mulch]

I just can't stand the idea of having ro reroll to play dps.

[icy mulch]

Wait wait, what's wrong with Night elf?

[balmy kindle]

Realistically the best choice ATM is a shaman or mage

Ranged BL = you can be doge and still get invites

[icy mulch]

I started a rogue and a shaman. Made it to level 12 before getting bored.

I got as far as setting up bars and ui for it. Logged back to my warrior.

I can't imagine being new to the game. Like the basic UI is mostly garbage. You need 10 to 15 macros for any healing spec. About 5-6 for dps or tank. Trackers, timers, and other things, all of this I could see just really killing a new player's experience.

[flat willow]

The main problem is that they are Everywhere and their racial is broken in pvp

The secondary problem is I hate tree huggers

[icy mulch]

I notice a lot more Tauren and Orc than I do Night elf. Tauren are more tree huggers than Nelf. Lol

[flat willow]

Thats also the night elves' fault

Taurens used to be cool warriors who hunted animals for sport

[neon niche]

nice u played 10 minutes of each class and got like 2 buttons to press andd got bored

[balmy cradle]

which effect should I put on my crafted wrists, duskthread or the one that doubles the embelished items?

[flat willow]

Then they got druid in vanilla

And now they are tree huggers because all druids must be tree huggers

Rip taurens, you could have been cool in another univers

That's probably the timeline where arms doesnt get nerfed every week

[icy mulch]

Not a fan of micro managing slice and dice, combo points. And 3 dots to min max.

[neon niche]

level 12? micro managing? min max? 🆗

[rapid bronze]

the irony is they removed slice and dice

[vale gorge]

Make cleave 360

[flat willow]

And call it whirlwind

So it makes sense that it is 360

[rapid bronze]

make arms not shit

somehow

[flat willow]

Delete arms

That would fix a lot of problems

[neon niche]

[rapid bronze]

man I really want to enjoy this patch because I've been playing this game on and off since 2005 when I rolled my first warrior and it was such a fixture of my life that I actually want to do the 20 year celebration but the amount of bugs and the atrocious balancing is really souring me on blizzard

[neon niche]

then we can delete wow

[flat willow]

Nah I dont think many people would care

At this point it would be a mercy kill

[astral talon]

we need arms to be this again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5KBMhw87n8

[neon niche]

many people would only care if it was only druid hunters or paladins cause its overpop
but theres so many brown boys specially in this channel who would rather delete

[flat willow]

And maybe After deleting whatever this thing that calls itself arms, they can make a real arms from zero

[opal folio]

You trust the current lot with creating something from scratch?

[astral talon]

its the same thing with survi actually

its such a mess, and is so buggy

that they could delete it

make sth new

and it'd be better 100%

xD

[opal folio]

Reborn arms will probably have you yearning for this current version

Be careful what you wish for

[flat willow]

I wouldnt trust the current team with my wet socks, but also it would take a lot of effort to manage to make something worse than current arms

[potent cedar]

I think the current class guys at blizz are literally incompetent

like it's negligence at this point

[astral talon]

giving us a nerf

[minor pier]

why is bladestorm no longer consuming 4p

[astral talon]

is a joke

😄

[astral talon]

bug apparently

[flat willow]

I think the current class guys dont exist

[minor pier]

[flat willow]

They all got fired

[astral talon]

95 percentile

bruh

[flat willow]

Cant expect 2 unpaid interns to design and balance 30 dps specs

[astral talon]

ok lets go dmg to bosses, we had nerf to ST dmg after all

oh

[flat willow]

But blizzard refuses to put money in their biggest franchise

[astral talon]

20% buff to dmg and we'd be fine

probably

lmao

[neon niche]

ez arms fix:
back to df season 2
test of might -> ignore pain off gcd
rage dumping that really works (whirlwind/tclap/ip) feeling good WITHOUT disgusting slam
see mortal strike press mortal strike
zug zug

[thick kelp]

no

tom never again

rage dumping ww ip

never again

[minor pier]

dumping rage with ip was so good

[wild ruin]

focused rage > ip dumping

now that felt gooood

[thick kelp]

dumping rage with an ability that has 0 impact on anything was so ass

[gaunt owl]

Cringe take

Defensive ability should not benefit offense

[potent cedar]

yes it should

that gets people to press their defensive abilities

[astral talon]

No it shouldnt lmao

FS would be glorious

Then buff to fucking EP

[potent cedar]

dps players smh

[astral talon]

Moving battlelord so its a useless talent with terrible placement

[astral talon]

Cry me a river, if I want to press defensive, ill press defensive

Pressing defensive for dmg is an idiotic design

Cuz if I want to actually use it, its on cd

No thank you

[rapid bronze]

it's cringe design but they never gave a good substitute, the only thing that worked to alleviate it was an aura buff

that aura buff was called fyralath

also that same patch was the rally nerf

rally died so shamans can have 15% hp

[astral talon]

and that substitute would be focused rage

which was an actual good design to get rid of excess rage

[rapid bronze]

oh you're suggesting actual dev resources to better design the class?

[opal folio]

What they did to Rally was a crime

Bring back Inspiring Presence

[astral talon]

not even lmao

im suggesting dev resources to do ctrl-z back to legion

where spec had a purpose in its rotation