they aren't 1 order of magnitude of above everyone yet. must be 1 full order a magnitude higher
#arms
half vine
nova marsh
Holy fuck just remove arms from the fucking game at this point
half vine
oh...and, they have to make sure they solidify MDI comps
thick hamlet
fellas you're looking at it all wrong
you gotta think big
outside the boxer
look
mortal crag
nova marsh
Yeah
nova marsh
Reroll
thick hamlet
LOOK
fresh spire
fellas you're looking at it all wrong
thick hamlet
listen
fresh spire
explain why fury should be left like that
thick hamlet
fury was overperforming week 1=gg, ya?
fresh spire
8 weeks in like 5 nerfs
thick hamlet
now frost and arcane are already top dogs, and getting buffs
fresh spire
dk been busted since week 1
thick hamlet
what u think is gonna happen after that?
fresh spire
where is their 4 nerfs
thick hamlet
don't be shortsighted, think long term
thick hamlet
exactly
fresh spire
Fury gonna get nerfed again
probs will
3 target cap next at this rate
forced to SMF
nova marsh
Fury is about to be the new survival till the end of the world soul saga
And they're fucking taking arms with it
thick hamlet
i WISH fury was as good as survival brother
nova marsh
I'm talking about like
Pre shadowlands survival
Legion and bfa they were a meme
We are becoming that
thick hamlet
what if this is the start to something great
fresh spire
even when we are rank 1 its doom time
nova marsh
They're gonna remove warbreaker
thick hamlet
blizz is buffing fdk and arcane so that they are overtuned and the community asks for massive nerfs
then BOOM
-50% dps gg
nova marsh
To us
fresh spire
boom 30% prot nerf
nova marsh
Boom they nerf avatar to 10%
It's such a fuckin shame
Df had at least kind of okay balancing if we ignore season 2
And now we're back to clown town
wanton sierra
I think the devs has an roll that randomly select an class that will be op and be part of god comp.. its just lucky… but damn, arms is unlucky as hell
ionic latch
the squishiness of Arms is comical
nova marsh
And ehy all the arms changes are universally trash
nova marsh
the squishiness of Arms is comical
Are we playing the same spec dude?
Arms isn't fury, but still had some of the best defensives in the entire game
wanton sierra
The more we complain the more are the chances of dev read this and do something about it xD
nova marsh
Sr, Dstance, IV
regal wharf
legit why the hell is arms getting nerfed
wanton sierra
Dbts is an classic op defense
thick hamlet
the squishiness of Arms is comical
that is one thing about arms i don't have enough copium supplies for
i have a survival alt and it's hilarious how night and day it is
nova marsh
I have enhance
And i genuinely feel squishy on thst alt in 2s
All their defensives have a 2 year cd
wanton sierra
You can heal full life as xammy
thick hamlet
it does
wanton sierra
How about we remove fatality from the game and put this:
Stance Master
Stance dance is now 10 sec cd and bstance gives 5% crit and makes you take 5% more damage. Defense stance now has 25%dr and you do 10% less damage. Every time you stance dance you have an tactician proc
xD
nova marsh
Eh, fair. It's still a note worthy loss and even so
nova marsh
How about we remove fatality from the game and put this:
Stance Master
Stance d...
NO
WE ARE NOT GIVING ANY INCENTIVE TO STANVE DANCR
That playstyle deserved to die
Also
wanton sierra
So you are the one who doesn’t stance dance, i figure xD
nova marsh
I don't like the idea of "x class just takes more damage"
regal wharf
How about we remove fatality from the game and put this:
Stance Master
Stance d...
someone report thiw sguy
we cant have his opinions reaching the blizzard devs
nova marsh
Also it literally cancels out our avoidance for aoe damage
wanton sierra
They dont read this anuway hehehe
nova marsh
And worse we just take 5% more rot damage there
wanton sierra
It obliget you stance dance
wanton sierra
I dont mind it but ok, we shall think on another talent to remove fatality
sick gazelle
stance dancing was dope
nova marsh
Also couldn't that be a dps loss cuz we'd just....stay in dstance for wayyy longer
wanton sierra
I didnt do the math
nova marsh
You'd cycle it evrey 10 seconds probally, espicalky as slayer
sick gazelle
also bring back weapon swing timers
half vine
Bring back Heroic Strike
nova marsh
Classic is RIGHT THERE
sick gazelle
Bring back Heroic Strike
this
wanton sierra
Yes yes i died on hc now im on retail
nova marsh
Stance dancing will never not feel annoying
wanton sierra
Bring back castable slam xD
half vine
and weapon skill/experitse
sick gazelle
and weapon skill/experitse
this i can live without
wanton sierra
Its the RPG part of the game
nova marsh
Imagine giving cs MORE fail conditionsn
Like genuinely all these suggestions just sound like ya wonna play classic warrior.
sick gazelle
i do
nova marsh
Then...go play classic
sick gazelle
TWW has some nice things too though
wanton sierra
Man i know im crazy, im trying to give the spec i love an lil shine, maybe adjust some numbers on stance master or another cool talent
nova marsh
Stance master means we have a 10% damage done reduction for like
Half the fight
That just sounds very silly
wanton sierra
But 2 more crit 😉
nova marsh
Not worth it
I do agree arms needs more talent work
But that just feels like "Hey look we did spiteful serenity again!"
wanton sierra
Bring an nice idea legendary farmer, i like to read those ideas that is never comming to be true
I meant my ideas
nova marsh
I want a talent that makes ms scale with hp level
Or makes it a combo similar to Templar strikes
wanton sierra
More hp more dam?
nova marsh
Less hp more damage
sick gazelle
More hp more dam?
less hp more dam. and give yourself skills to reduce your own hp
nova marsh
Not repeating devastation evoker
nova marsh
less hp more dam. and give yourself skills to reduce your own hp
We aren't hearthstone warlocks lol
I'd also like to see something like rend replacing tc
Some stuff to just generally reduce bloat
sick gazelle
rend and tc is really weird design. coming from someone whos last wow was mop
nova marsh
Oh I totally agree
In df it was fine because rend was a hilariously small gain....in the opener
So you just didn't bind it
But now that both are used it's like...why
U have cleave replacing ww
Why not tc and rend
wanton sierra
How about “chargelord” every time we charge we proc an garantee crited mortal strike on the target (it would insensitive warriors to charge weave, and set up big combos)
sick gazelle
what do u mean that sounds sick
thick hamlet
i want focused rage back
wanton sierra
Ty neus you rock
thick hamlet
off gcd rage spender
nova marsh
Ah yes I have to charge on cd like I'm a demon hunter
sick gazelle
well maybe its only a dps increase if used with specific combos that u have to set up
wanton sierra
Hire me blizzard
nova marsh
Let's also give us a stacking damage bonus for evrey parry we land in dtbs
zealous hemlock
It would be cool if arms could lean more into a prio damage profile with ss. More damage on ms and execute and cleave would increase ms/exe damage based on the amount of enemies hit
nova marsh
Or maybe hitting enemies with cleave below 35% turns execute into a giant aoe cone that hits extremely hard
zealous hemlock
yes!
nova marsh
I do like the idea of giving us more prio damage in aoe
Make something like deep wounds scaling up MS and op damage (not dreadnaught) based on number of targets
Kind of similar to df s2's set
But like....actually good
halcyon valve
How about “chargelord” every time we charge we proc an garantee crited mortal st...
No that sounds awful
wanton sierra
Titanic strike: every 3rd mortal strike you cast (even sweept) you would strike an big (new animation and sound effect) with 200% mortal strike damage (it also benefit from tactician and other pile on stacks)
nova marsh
See I like that
But the problem is it's yet ANOTHER MS modifier
The problem with MS is it's almost completely reliant on modifiers for it's damage. FFS, if blizzard buff Martial prowess by even 5% at this point we won't be casting MS on CD
wanton sierra
We round about ms man, its your giga dam dam
crimson steppe
What if Unhinged works like the tooltip says with Sweeping Strikes? something already in the game
crimson steppe
Would give us some burst and make BS more exciting to use
nova marsh
I mean
It's not as if we don't have burst at all
In fact arms has pretty solid aoe burst, espically as colossus
wanton sierra
Bake juggernaut into ordinary execute for amrs only
crimson steppe
Also the MS's proccing Reap the Storm 
nova marsh
Bake juggernaut into ordinary execute for amrs only
To add to this
Make massacure baseline
Not even just for arms, just like full stop
crimson steppe
Make cleave baseline or give us the option to use whirlwind
nova marsh
That one I dunno
Because again, we roll back around to button bloat
Now, sure, we aren't enhance
But arms still has quite a bit of bloat
wanton sierra
Make clave baseline and give us the option to whirlwind (but that on that has cd and big dam, master of swrds i think)
nova marsh
Make clave baseline and give us the option to whirlwind (but that on that has cd...
Old storm of swords was actually dope
I really did like Big WW in DF
....salty af it's gone
wanton sierra
Y strom of swords true
tawdry quail
I wish arms was better
crimson steppe
Both of our hero specs rotations are pretty much the same, while most other classes change a lot. I like Antorus Arms with whirlwind hitting hard af and applying a bleed
nova marsh
bring banners back
ehhh I'm actually okay with this
wanton sierra
Only if banner has 1,5min cd
nova marsh
Both of our hero specs rotations are pretty much the same, while most other clas...
Do they thou
wanton sierra
2 min was super wack
nova marsh
All of the classes I've played don't really change that dramatically between hero specs
or if they do, it's because they're changing gears towards another archtype (like storm and elementalist enhance for example)
zealous hemlock
What if Unhinged works like the tooltip says with Sweeping Strikes? something al...
Ss doesn't duplicate the free mortal strikes we get from unhinged is that it?
hazy flower
zealous hemlock
But with ravager it does right?
zealous hemlock
That is very lame it should totally sweep
wanton sierra
Boilin rage: zerk rage second talent nodle
You become beserked, become immune to fear for 12 seconds and execute become castable regardless of target health
nova marsh
I mean that's cool and all
zealous hemlock
Ravager is just bugged to give multiple MS stacks as if it *DID* sweep
Sorry but what do you mean by ms stacks ?
nova marsh
Sorry but what do you mean by ms stacks ?
Stacks of Collosal might on colo
zealous hemlock
Oh ok ty
nova marsh
rif u have sweeping up with rava it gives 2, regardless of it crits
Which is really weird
nova marsh
Boilin rage: zerk rage second talent nodle
You become beserked, become immune to...
I just
Don't like the idea of repoursing defensive or mobilty tools to be apart of the rotation
It's why I REALLY dislike DH
Also, that talent would kinda kill the group fear node...not that it wasn't already dead but yeah
wanton sierra
Not like we press ir alot, there is one fear mob on siege of boralus
nova marsh
Isn't that an interrupt?
nova marsh
Oh
I mean
if you get feared by that, it's your fault. The problem with fear immunities is...we don't really get feared all the time anymore
All of the fears in modern wow are mostly avoidable
Now, the other part of Zerker is incap, which is actually nice...but it hasn't been actually useful since ashvane in BFA sadly
wanton sierra
Ill try to think an heroic trhow new imaginary talent xD
nova marsh
Easy
Heroic throw now does bonus damage to shields.
Essentially a more effective version of wrecking
or lessar, actually, with a shorter cd
wanton sierra
Meh, zero warriors shall pick that one
wanton sierra
Wrecking should do decent damage
nova marsh
And it does
At least last I checked, I haven't touched it since...well...razageth
Wasn't really worth it to me for Fyrakk
wanton sierra
I hitted 2m on a wrecking
nova marsh
I think what I'd love to see is like
One of my main pain points about arms, actually warrior in general, is how weak avatar feels as a cd
wanton sierra
Heroic spear, replaces heroic trow with an cool spear that pierces your target and refreshes all dot damage from scratch (even tr) but it now has 1min cd
nova marsh
Gives less Damage then CS for a much longer cooldown and has no other effects more or less, aside from handy root breaks
nova marsh
Heroic spear, replaces heroic trow with an cool spear that pierces your target a...
...that sounds hilariously busted actually
Adds a bit to the misalignment catagory, once more (god i fucking hate that about arms), but I like it.
wanton sierra
Yes i like busted op talents
nova marsh
Also actually
That could be a really nice QoL feature
Make heroic throw aoe, same CD, refreshes rends
That's actually genious for downtime
(and DW)
wanton sierra
What means QoL
thick hamlet
u know what's genius for downtime
an all damage immunity on a long cd
let's call it
rage shield
but!
nova marsh
Qaulity of life in the sense that you don't loose your dots if you A. run out of rage B. have to dodge
nova marsh
u know what's genius for downtime
See
thick hamlet
it puts a debuff on you called angry forbearance
wanton sierra
Damn i like the sound of it, rage shield
nova marsh
An immunity would actually be fucking dope
Like that'd actually SERIOUSLY push warrior up
Immunities are so stupidly valuable
thick hamlet
bros enough of the copium and let's face it
warriors are so far behind in terms of utility that the only way they can be reallyy competitive is if they got overtuned dps
that's just how it is
nova marsh
Yep
I mean our utility is kinda handy now and shock is great
And shout exists
But I mean....also make rally more effective in keys similiar to old tranq
wanton sierra
Rage Shield: you cannot have less than 1 hp, you gain full rage and it slowly becomes consumed (like 8 seconds) but if your rage reach 0 when rotating, your 1hp imune will fade.
nova marsh
Make it the old 20% I think it was? Whatever the value was in DF with the talent
nova marsh
Rage Shield: you cannot have less than 1 hp, you gain full rage and it slowly be...
Basically
Give us holmgang from FFXIV
....actually that shit is hilariously busted, I'm in
wanton sierra
I dont get that reference
nova marsh
So in 14 all tanks have immunities
subtle ravine
Give it a crit chance buff while at 1 HP for shits and gigs
nova marsh
Warriors is called holgang and prevents you from being reduced to 1 hp, but also binds you to your target (unless you use it on a boss, which is what you mostly do lmao)
And it has the shortest immunitiy CD in the game
Which leads to...warriors being able to just faceroll most tankbusters in that game
Literally zero effort
wanton sierra
Fun lil defensive, but you must choose to become 1hp imune or press atack buttons
wanton sierra
Damn bro, its hard to have you in on my ideas, an damn those are very op talents
nova marsh
Like I said, not against it
...actually most immunities, besides paladin's the lucky fucks, prevent actions don't they?
Oh here's one
Make battle shout give windfury
But just for the warrior
wanton sierra
I got one on the chamber
Mortal triple: your mortal strike against 30% health targets (or less) would hit 3 times with 75% mortal strike damage ( all 3 strikes would benefit from op stacks)
And with cool animations and sound effect
Also work with ss
vale cradle
I wanna see big number not 3 smaller numbers
broken arrow
Execute 2: Electric Boogaloo
urban iron
I wanna see big number not 3 smaller numbers
Just get a weakaura to combine all your damage numbers and display them at once
4head
broken arrow
Skullsplitter now replaces rend and does big instant dmg. Big zug 
tender ermine
warriors are so far behind in terms of utility that the only way they can be rea...
My cook would be something like "Primal/martial challenge" replaces taunt for dps warriors. For arms Martial challenge would mean the mob deals reduced damage to any targets other than the warrior as the warrior step forward inciting an honour bound duel against the target. For fury primal challenge would cause damage you deal to the target to spash proportianly as healing onto your party as the warrior incites an overwhelming challenge against one particular mob and allies are inspired by the primal savagery against the target. Maybe swap the effects or flavour, or just make it a choice node or something
Cos tbh, the fuck have I ever used taunt for except to wipe my raid by accident
wanton sierra
There is times i need to press it with dbts to hold a few secs to ress the tank up to avoid wipe
But i like the idea
broken arrow
Don't need to taunt if you're top dps 
wanton sierra
Nice point
Colossus temper: colossus smash or warbreaker lasts 6 seconds increase your damage by 200% and makes your rage consuming abilities to be free
Am enjoyers shall dont like it
gaunt matrix
So with this patch coming out I assume fury is going to leave arms in the dust for M+
wanton sierra
It already does xd
gaunt matrix
Well like kills the spec basically lmao
weak rain
I am pretty sure if that goes live, we will at least see something like 5% aura buff next tunning
copium
wanton sierra
I am pretty sure if that goes live, we will at least see something like 5% aura ...
Doubt it, we are forgotten
sharp cloud
Wait there's still people in this channel?
broken arrow
My guild is starting Broodtwister prog next weak. Is Colossus viable for dealing with adds? I'm fairly new to warrior haven't even touched Fury yet
astral yarrow
weak rain
just don't die during demolish cast to shit on the floor lmao
golden smelt
I tried Colossus a few weeks ago and I hated it. I've gone back to it now and it's actually pumping in keys. Only +10 keys mind, but it feels much better than when I had no gear, damage is pretty consistent pull to pull compared to fury too
ocean siren
So reading the patch notes for tomorrow... are they nerfing Arms warrior's AoE? When its already not good
wanton sierra
is there an athiv? all exps we are like this, im used to it
dim sleet
+11 dawnbreaker as arms
dim sleet
arakara is easy until the last boss imo, god i hate that boss
wanton sierra
do we leap on the last second like an chad or we stay holded by goo ?
cloud dawn
do we leap on the last second like an chad or we stay holded by goo ?
depends on size of key, not worth risking a death
wanton sierra
im droppin 1 bb to get battlelord
wanton sierra
depends on size of key, not worth risking a death
true, im jokin, would not risk it
golden smelt
Ah the joys, I'm in the same boat now trying to tick off 11's
terse osprey
So i guess slayer is the only real choice rn for arms in pve
short crescent
Should I macro my Mad Queen's Mandate into avatar or CS or something?
wanton sierra
arakara 11... i died last boss!! hate that fight
short crescent
checked the guides but not seeing any clear answers
livid cloak
do we leap on the last second like an chad or we stay holded by goo ?
last second leap is the play, you get more uptime and you save your bloods for your teammates
wanton sierra
yea i did it 4 times, 5th leap didnt work and i died like an shit
wanton sierra
3 ppl died and all bresses were spent
but we manage
only need gb 11 to get all 11s, then ill try 12s ^^
slowly climbin
slim cypress
So I’m completely new to warrior this season, gotten to about 2550 as prot and have always wanted to try Arms, Mortal Strike is such an iconic spell 😁 quick question - as prot majority of my rage is from SS/TC and getting punched. Is arms rage just from white swings? I don’t see any spells that generate rage other than Ravager
drowsy coral
Anyone got a wa for tracking the overpower stacks
wanton sierra
So I’m completely new to warrior this season, gotten to about 2550 as prot and h...
charge, sks, battlelord procs
livid cloak
tried 12 grim batol, 12s hard
D:
pulls were so much smaller, colossus losing value unless tanks pull big
feels weird
icy mulch
I did a 12 Mists, I still pulled the same way I do in an 8. Just need dps to be blasting, and the healer to dodge balls.
But yeah 12s can be spooky.
Worst part is it seems some of the dungeons spike in difficulty on 12 more than others. NW being one.
graceful bridge
double ascendance ebelish to amp ascendance or is there a diff embelishment for that?
vague nova
Diff embellish for that but not at my pc to know what it’s called
bronze elbow
have you folks been playing colossus this week much? i played it a lot and really liked it, but it feels like i do zero st
like zero. like i hit a big trash pack and easily do 2-4mil, and then target a ST boss and do 600-700k
open ingot
Lets not forget that arcane got 11% buff for aoe st and assassination rogue got 6% st buff
The balance patch everyone was waiting for btw
boreal quartz
like zero. like i hit a big trash pack and easily do 2-4mil, and then target a S...
You can get more st with some talent changes
But it wont match fury or slayer
paper gulch
Lets just buff the classes that already are favored in all levels of content.
open ingot
quaint basin
seeing arcane and enh 25% higher than arms and the other bottom specs is gonna hurt
strong holly
4 best performing speccs getting a huge buff and warriors, that are underperforming in every content (except prot) getting a nerf
boreal quartz
4 best performing speccs getting a huge buff and warriors, that are underperform...
Tbf arms also took a hit semi recently from fury changes to slayer xd
strong holly
its not that every high key has a frost dk and an arcane mage in their group kekw
vital summit
Tbf arms also took a hit semi recently from fury changes to slayer xd
Every fury nerf hit arms in some way
vital summit
I started leveling enh shammy alt and I'm having a blast (pun intended) playing it
steep osprey
They have no clue what they’re doing
vital summit
I don't know wtf am I pressing and everything is doing tons of damage
boreal quartz
I don't know wtf am I pressing and everything is doing tons of damage
Tempest tempest tempest 8 mil dps
Yippie
vital summit
it's a 
without being shit
steep osprey
Thunder blast is good
flat willow
Oh boys look at the time
steep osprey
Different spells
strong holly
if I wasnt raiding mythic progress, I would have rerolled to dk 😂
steep osprey
I do play dk too but I found it less fun than shaman
boreal quartz
Its almost time for the weekly arms nerf
Im so excited
Cant wait for next weeks one too
Hope they nerf MS
quaint basin
Cant wait for next weeks one too
the sad truth
steep osprey
Competent devs were fired or left and all is left is breast milk drinkers
open ingot
You know i think arms and fury is performing too well reduce the bladestorm dmg again
I think another 5% nerf to bladestorm and we can call it a day and knockoff early
flat willow
I heard aoe burst damage was problematic so we are going back to wrath bladestorm
vital summit
we need such a sophisticated Fury nerf that wit will gut arms and prot too
flat willow
Hard cap at 4 targets
strong holly
pls let us get -10% on execute and nerf our OP set aswwell (1,9% dmg on 4set)
otherwise we too stronk
vital summit
Like Avatar rooting us in place and automatically casts def stance
boreal quartz
Hard cap at 4 targets
That's so good design
open ingot
We need to make sure the brown boys dont get invited to any keys
boreal quartz
pls let us get -10% on execute and nerf our OP set aswwell (1,9% dmg on 4set)
I mean if they nerf set ms is fully out of execute rota
Which would be funny a shit
flat willow
Next week with the frost dk buff, even playing perfectly. A frost will do like 30% more damage than an arms in mythic+
We are getting to galaxy level of balance
vital summit
FDK deals more damage by simply existing
open ingot
Same with arcane super simple rotation giga dmg
strong holly
Same with arcane super simple rotation giga dmg
count to 3 and blast
boreal quartz
We are getting to galaxy level of balance
Need season 2 DF
flat willow
Just a few more nerfs and prot paladin will be ahead of Colossus arms in single target
I hope it happens
open ingot
Doing less dmg than a disc priest sounds like a great time
vital summit
one would say doing less damage than a support class is peak dps balance
vital summit
we will show dem healers!
stand in shit on ground so they have to heal us
to stop dpsing
problem solved
strong holly
stand in shit on ground so they have to heal us
molten zodiac
vital summit
Loverrior
jovial vessel
Curse u Blizz!
elfin kindle
Where did u find this
atomic mountain
Where did u find this
elfin kindle
Ty
atomic mountain
np
after the buffs Frost DK and arcane mage even stronger
assa better ST
i guess we wont se a meta change in m+ or raid. big F U blizzard
quaint basin
it also has to be closer to a 2% nerf than a 1% nerf, on a raid boss you have 12 stacks up for the entire fight
vital summit
As Ion once in WoD said "we rather you don't play demonology" right now it's "We don't want you to play warrior"
atomic mountain
As Ion once in WoD said "we rather you don't play demonology" right now it's "We...
exactly this.
its like. "Did you have fun the first 2 weeks? now you dont have fun anymore to MBY season 2 😄 "
jovial vessel
exactly this.
its like. "Did you have fun the first 2 weeks? now you dont have ...
It's a big F...Ing Maybe
atomic mountain
better?
jovial vessel
Hope so
atomic mountain
i guess i gonna lvl my druid now and go tanking 😄
elfin kindle
Thank got my dk is 625
jovial vessel
Prolly I'll reroll like Evoker or rogue
atomic mountain
Prolly I'll reroll like Evoker or rogue
if i would just know how to play Frost dk i would play him....
jovial vessel
if i would just know how to play Frost dk i would play him....
Nah I only played Unholy during DF
atomic mountain
i main the 2 wrong classes. arms warry and destro lock....
jovial vessel
😄 lucky
open ingot
Just always play mage you can never go wrong with blizzards favourite child
atomic mountain
Just always play mage you can never go wrong with blizzards favourite child
wrong. blizz fav child is pala
frigid cipher
i like frost a lot and fires ok
weak wave
I thought arms got a slight buff or am I wrong?
atomic mountain
I thought arms got a slight buff or am I wrong?
arms got shit XD what was buffed ?
atomic mountain
With all hotfixes im the past I thought so...
vital summit
only "buff" arms got was 2 yards to warbreaker
atomic mountain
noone plays warbreaker
weak wave
only "buff" arms got was 2 yards to warbreaker
Naah I mean the hotfixes we got in the weeks before.
Counting all together where do we stand now? Better or worse or even than at TWW release?
vital summit
worse
atomic mountain
Naah I mean the hotfixes we got in the weeks before.
Counting all together where...
only nerves lol XD
only buggfixes/hotfixes where Mountain Thane on fury
atomic mountain
We got 2% nerf because of slayer stacks
jap and that cause of fury and not cause we where to strong
sharp wyvern
Arms and fury falling further behind to bottom of the pack means its likely for us to get buffs
atomic mountain
just take Thunder Clap, cleave and sweeping so we only deal ST 😄
vital summit
Arms and fury falling further behind to bottom of the pack means its likely for ...
So why are we getting nerfed?
atomic mountain
Arms and fury falling further behind to bottom of the pack means its likely for ...
yes and everyone sayed it in week 1+2 where all cryed because fury burst where to strong. fuck tehm. even our T Set is trash
atomic mountain
So why are we getting nerfed?
cause blizz hates warry
atomic mountain
So why are we getting nerfed?
only plate class that gets love from blizz is DK and Pala
sharp wyvern
So why are we getting nerfed?
Cause fury aoe is too strong when you only have 3 seconds to do DMG
Basically raidboss design fucked us
atomic mountain
Cause fury aoe is too strong when you only have 3 seconds to do DMG
jap. but then nerv slayer and roar to fix it and effect arms and not fury. CLASSIC
sharp wyvern
Its fine we still have rally
atomic mountain
Basically raidboss design fucked us
it should be a boss and not 3 beetles 1000 webs or worms and spiders
gaunt owl
Rally is fake
atomic mountain
Its fine we still have rally
XD
gaunt owl
Its not as potent as before
atomic mountain
only thing blizz can fix it -> gibv us a personal Bloodlust/HT
sharp wyvern
Never gonna happen
vital summit
even Battle shout is not good enough to guarantee a raid spot
sharp wyvern
They rather make a new class with lust
atomic mountain
Never gonna happen
i know. i even dont know why we have like 5 spells that are screems and dont have atleast BL/HT for the group XD
vital summit
They give Rogue a lust before warr gets it
atomic mountain
i will end this season as arms and beginn next with arms. but if arms ist the same C Tier like now in season 2 i will swap to the bad side
sharp wyvern
Arms will always be C tier even if its A tier
plucky fern
atomic mountain
bro living in 2015 i guess. kinda unfunny
atomic mountain
Arms will always be C tier even if its A tier
but arms will be always the number 1
gaunt owl
only thing blizz can fix it -> gibv us a personal Bloodlust/HT
Even more useless than Rally its not gonna help our case
atomic mountain
Even more useless than Rally its not gonna help our case
would you take it or not?
gaunt owl
No bloodlust on warrior is pure copium
atomic mountain
and AoE version of it
just give us classic WW back
vital summit
damage reduction shout (not demo)
atomic mountain
just give us classic WW back
UNCAPPED WW
atomic mountain
damage reduction shout (not demo)
tank cd shout
gaunt owl
damage reduction shout (not demo)
Why Cook an other one
atomic mountain
healbuff on paryt shout
atomic mountain
Why Cook an other one
cause we wanna have fun?
vital summit
Shout that temporarly removes AoE cap 
gaunt owl
So adding more buttons is fun ?
atomic mountain
damage reduction shout (not demo)
mby an augment version for warry.
Scream war XD
atomic mountain
So adding more buttons is fun ?
adding fun is fun
vital summit
make it nodes so we have to choose
Turn warrior into this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiElB9gcYmg
atomic mountain
make it nodes so we have to choose
adding passive that shout back if you get hurt and you deal dmg in like 5 meter around you XD
atomic mountain
Turn warrior into this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiElB9gcYmg
they turned warry into babarian with titan grip and fuckedup with the other part of fury design 😄
upper geyser
slayer
swift shell
Honestly, what is happening with the class balance makes no sense, I can’t see a world where all of these don’t lead to a rework of talent trees. Otherwise, blizzard dev don’t play their game.
Buffing class that are already ahead, keep knocking other on the head for the 5th time
Peak class balance at work…
atomic mountain
also thinks i dont understand. MS is THE Arms skill.... XD
bold depot
i hate taking skullsplitter in keys. is it fine to replace with exhilarating blows? i dont notice much difference
vale ravine
I love when your in a key with an fdk and your like nice u busted like 6 mill dps there. Then the frost dk is at 15mil. And the ret is at 9 mil rip
plucky tendon
Buffing class that are already ahead, keep knocking other on the head for the 5t...
It’s a rework patch, not a balancing patch, tuning usually come after 1-2 weeks live data. Granted it’ll be good if they could have thrown in some preliminary tuning but blizz probably think it is double work shrugs
flat willow
if it's a rework patch, then why arms got nerfed
swift shell
might have some surprise on the next weeks but damn
plucky tendon
if it's a rework patch, then why arms got nerfed
Wasn’t that from much earlier Blue posts? They just haven’t put it in
plucky tendon
Arms definitely need more love
vale ravine
Arms is doing better than fury is right now
atomic mountain
Arms is doing better than fury is right now
bro wake up
vale ravine
St in m raid?
thick kelp
no
atomic mountain
St in m raid?
1st of all.... Mythic raiding ist top performance and even not that big compared to hero or M+
ST on arms is fine yes.
Arms in hero is okay/good same like Fury
and did you play Arms in M+ higher than 10+? I guess not XD
minor pier
guys what are those pala changes???
vale ravine
1st of all.... Mythic raiding ist top performance and even not that big compared...
I've been playing arms in mplus and it feels just as good as fury.
plush hill
1st of all.... Mythic raiding ist top performance and even not that big compared...
I don’t think so. If you compare M+ and Mythic raid you need even more performance in high keys. But M+ has more player base coz not every one have time/possibilities to be present on every raid time (cut 2-4 hours 2-4 times a week)
strong holly
can someone may tell me where these timers come from? checked every weakaura + bigwigs and found nothing
eager gust
omnicc? 🤔
fresh spire
Liquid pack?
strong holly
Liquid pack?
checked it, but none of these are at the bottom
quasi torrent
did you check any weakaura anchors u got?
strange perch
Liquid pack?
Bro
strong holly
yeah checked the liquid anchors, but none of these are at the bottom aswell
quasi torrent
not just the bottom, it might say something about weakaura offscreen somewhere
you can also try /framestack
that should give you clickable elements for all rendered UI objects and tell u something about them atleast.
strong holly
it was bigwigs… the anchor was so low, that only a millimeter was visible, I cant even drag it that low manually
quasi torrent
bigwigs has a slider for x and y axes
swift crown
guys what are those pala changes???
Which ones? The nerf?
(Maybe Prot is getting a buff who even knows at this point PTR was a shitshow)
rigid sun
I've been playing arms in mplus and it feels just as good as fury.
I tend to favour colossus arms in m+, I like the playstyle, positioning and burst of it, but it's harder to pull off in raid scenario
void sigil
I tend to favour colossus arms in m+, I like the playstyle, positioning and burs...
I enjoy Colossus, but the ST leaves a little to be desired, imo.
pearl nymph
Blizzard nerfing the aoe for arms ?
slim cypress
im new to arms - is it wrong to macro avatar and roar together?
seems like they should always be used together
pearl nymph
Shame no big warrior streamers plays arm if its fine 🫡
tacit crystal
the are use nearly together
astral talon
Blizzard nerfing the aoe for arms ?
Tiniest nerf
To massive pulls only
Won't change anything really
astral talon
Yes
flat willow
Blizzard nerfing the aoe for arms ?
single target too if you play slayer
Honey wake up, its Tuesday. Time for your weekly arms nerf
vapid goblet
🤡
tacit crystal
https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057
unironically enjoying playing aug
wanton sierra
good morning fellow arms
today is vault day! good luck guys! hope you all get bis weap or bis trink myth version
wanton sierra
mashallah, graças a Deus habibi
tacit crystal
still perma depressed but im alive and today thats enough for me
edgy solstice
Hopefully they take their time and use all 17 hours of this maintenance to sneak in even more arms nerfs
tired storm
Honestly the arms nerfs aren’t too bad. We can always be the strongest 💁♂️
wanton sierra
still perma depressed but im alive and today thats enough for me
hey brother, we are here for you, we all got our reasons.. you are right, be thankful by your health and life
wanton sierra
Honestly the arms nerfs aren’t too bad. We can always be the strongest 💁♂️
im colossus so i managed to avoid the nerf xD but still... warbringer nerfs are like 0 impact
flat willow
Ahhhhh I'm on european server I have to wait one more day for my weekly dose of arms nerf
flat willow
I hope they already prepared next week's arms nerfs
wanton sierra
man its not possible, they got to at least check once a month skyhold comments, is there an blizzard treinee or something? everyday we joke about it, on every tier list across the internet points that arms is one of the worst melee option of the season... and them nerfs comes
fresh spire
If I worked at blizzard I wouldn't wanna look in these chats
tacit crystal
who would
fresh spire
Especially fury where the monke live
tacit crystal
a bunch of schizos who complain at the slightest thing
tacit crystal
oh yeah
flat willow
would it
edgy solstice
Realizing people get paid salaries to balance this game and this is what we get
flat willow
I'm not sure we can
broken arrow
Pretty sure the average take is "more dmg, give bloodlust"
fresh spire
Tbh I bet the balance team isn't even the balance team
fresh spire
Paid to do art. Forced to balance boomkin
flat willow
man people love bloodlust
fresh spire
vital summit
man its not possible, they got to at least check once a month skyhold comments, ...
No they watch a vid like this and nerf warriors even more...
https://youtu.be/cp0M11a5bPM?si=LKAxy4-A75z2piPM&t=774
flat willow
balance team is 3 gnomes in a trench-coat
edgy solstice
me
wanton sierra
balance team only likes balance druid ):
vital summit
Hi literally pulls up a log of ansurek and justifies fury nerfs
flat willow
balance team is actually full of night elves
that's why their racial is so damn broken
strange perch
a bunch of schizos who complain at the slightest thing
Yes that would be me what is it?
wanton sierra
Hi literally pulls up a log of ansurek and justifies fury nerfs
lol! and he didnt even see boss dam
fresh spire
No they watch a vid like this and nerf warriors even more...
https://youtu.be/cp...
Tank main talking
Fury deserved the aoe culling
But no reward of St is a sin
fresh spire
Miss spelled
tacit crystal
did you see how much damage wes and parse did on his kill
it was fucking disgusting
fresh spire
As per any boss your cooldowns line up and you do burst before other classes
Nerfing the burst isn't the problem
It's the fact they also got another St nerf with overwhelm and arms catching the stray
tacit crystal
i agree
fresh spire
When honestly fury needs at least a 10% aura for st
It's that fucking behind
Boss damage looking kinda wild ngl
But they deserve no buff?
tacit crystal
how are you in the futue
fresh spire
Can't say I know that term
edgy solstice
livid cloak
I'm dooming a bit
Only seeing 5 arms warriors on us/oce that have timed a 12
Most only have mists
tacit crystal
🙂
wanton sierra
i havent have the oportunity to step on a 12 yet, just wait for me, big sean
tacit crystal
always a prot angle
shy dagger
With the new buffs on keys (i play colosus) should i run the bleeds colosus talents now that its buffed?
shy dagger
to be honest i enjoy a lot colosus on keys, its a fun play style
shy dagger
are they on wowhead or there is a better source of builds?
wanton sierra
i need to deliver a few hidraulic projects, when i finish it, i shall play and push score... i shall reach you sean, trencheiro and the bigger bois hehe
livid cloak
You can do it. You have the big arms
wanton sierra
i might fail xD
livid cloak
I may drop 1 deft to pick ep back up for 12s
To get st back up a bit
May also try arterial bleed since everything lives for so long, not sure
Experimentation time
With the krisp build you can stack demolish so fast you may get really good value from art bleed
wanton sierra
i got a 12 gb on my warrior
lets 4 warrior it, 1 big prot... 2 big arms and 1 weak fury for us to make fun of and an lust healer
fresh spire
Should still stack fast just not as fast
tacit crystal
how does unhinged work on arms
fresh spire
Someone said earlier brutal looks fixed on ptr too
It gave 1 extra stack of colossus might when ss was up
Like the phantom unhinged ms strike still went off with 0 damage
tacit crystal
can we bring back unhinged cleaving
wanton sierra
(Unhinged looks to be potentially fixed next week)
you mean the tooltip
fresh spire
No the interaction with sweep giving extra colossus might stacks
On 2 target
Was making rav give 6 in duration instead of 3 on average
wanton sierra
you serious? omg that is nice
fresh spire
I cant check brutal might until simc is fixed. Ptr/Live sync is causing them hell right now
Brutal was better than cycling before in old sims at 20%
I'll have numbers moment I'm able to get apl sorted for it again
cloud gyro
big if true
shadow ibex
(Unhinged looks to be potentially fixed next week)
I shoulda never told you fucks
My precious
WHY BLIZ WHY
wanton sierra
Swept ms by unhinged if crited gives extra stacks?
shadow ibex
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE DEMO FUN
vast sleet
does sudden death stack up to 2?
does it do this by itself or is it a talent?
edgy solstice
I'm a 12 behind trencheiro, and I got grim batol 12 3x this week
i dont even wanna play anymore, cba
eventually tho
livid cloak
Its not
compact geyser
Great news everyone!! The changes to slayer that were affecting arms have been reverted to fury only
slow saddle
Aprils fool
wanton sierra
Who is the solo arms warrior
itza me! but my score doesnt make me .1%... im at least 10% xD
slow saddle
itza me! but my score doesnt make me .1%... im at least 10% xD
My man lets praise u!!
Slayer arms?
Also what team is carrying u?🤣
compact geyser
has BRD been added into raidbots ? i wanna do some droptimizers when i get home
wanton sierra
Also what team is carrying u?🤣
not gonna lie, i ve joined some chad groups that carryd my ass
but mostly pugs
i mean, frost dk carry everyone
slow saddle
Well nice top keys 11?
slow saddle
i mean, frost dk carry everyone
Is it rly that bad i only fuxk around in 10s
But col arms vs fury thane... even there gap is big
wanton sierra
true, on lower keys everything die fast so it appears that we are strong... but when trash is not dieing, we see who is the dmg and who stays behind
slow saddle
Fury thane has so mucj more st so far
slow saddle
true, on lower keys everything die fast so it appears that we are strong... but ...
Breath keeps breathing🤣🤣
wanton sierra
even balance druid, they are massive now
slow saddle
But fr both hero talents just suck for arms
I dont enjoy either
And ive played almost only arms for... 20 years
But not blizzards fault i dislike then
Them
golden smelt
I'm enjoying col now I've got more gear, but it's so frustrating the amount of times mobs port/move away/tank pulls the pack away when it's channeling
tacit crystal
Who is the solo arms warrior
3k io chinese player with shit build
graceful bridge
3k io chinese player with shit build
if its timing keys cant be that shit
golden smelt
3k io chinese player with shit build
You got a link to the build? I can't see it on RIO
swift crown
if its timing keys cant be that shit
You would be surprised
slow saddle
Fdk + shaman carry?
swift crown
how badly some people that are pretty okay at pressing buttons can cook
graceful bridge
his build is fine
cloud gyro
its fine
slow saddle
Its full aoe?
cloud gyro
youre not depleting 14s because 2% damage on an arms warrior
golden smelt
just look
His build isn't on there for me, apparently limited info because he's in China?
cloud gyro
Get ep?
swap a few points around, not any meaningful difference in output
slayer arms does some nuts ST in dungeons, especially higher keys
slow saddle
slayer arms does some nuts ST in dungeons, especially higher keys
Hmm ive havent done more than i did as fury thane hmm
I guess i gotta play better as arms
cloud gyro
slayer just does so much more boss damage
vital rune
Catching up on patch notes. What we get nerfed for??
cloud gyro
Catching up on patch notes. What we get nerfed for??
because of rashanan we are a top 5 dps spec in raid
golden smelt
When using BS does cleave not use a lot of value because you won't have merciless bone grinder and warbreaker overlap for their full durations, unlike when using ravager?
tacit crystal
His build isn't on there for me, apparently limited info because he's in China?
you have to go by key
wanton sierra
that china guy played high keys and did less damage than aug, close to tank
cloud gyro
14s are not depleted due to dps so yea
golden smelt
you have to go by key
Ah okay, thanks for clarifying
tacit crystal
What would u change?
dn does negative damage, not playing ep as slayer, he doesnt need aoe damage when he has a frost to carry
if he played jugg he would do more damage
slow saddle
dn does negative damage, not playing ep as slayer, he doesnt need aoe damage whe...
Well.mby he reckon opposit
tacit crystal
he just needs to kill prio and boss
slow saddle
That bleed and overall was goal
slow saddle
That being said, slayer deffo should have ep🤣
wanton sierra
14s are not depleted due to dps so yea
ye, is needed an good gamer to do that, he knows how to rotate defensives and control adds... but damagewise is not that good, as dps this is bad
thick kelp
whos build is astro garbage
tacit crystal
its so disgusting how the appeal to authority just beats critically thinking
thick kelp
and si clearly boosted
slow saddle
its so disgusting how the appeal to authority just beats critically thinking
Havent heard of that talent
Appeal to authority
🤣
cloud gyro
hes timing 14s i dont think arms is very competitive
joe from corner store build works
wanton sierra
someone printed the logs... ppl here send much hier dps... i wonder pools gets smaller so he loses aoe value
tacit crystal
if i talk any longer about this im going to get banned
slow saddle
🤣🤣
wanton sierra
dont worry gio57, we shall recieve an buff! we got to belive!!
slow saddle
But ye key timing, slayet should fpcus prio and st dmg🤣
wanton sierra
tacit crystal
Havent heard of that talent
An appeal to authority (also known as an appeal to false or unqualified authority) plays on people's feelings of respect or familiarity towards a famous person to bypass critical thinking.
number big != good player
or correct decisons
slow saddle
No
edgy solstice
ironically the only 12 i timed so far was playing that china build xd
gaunt owl
ironically the only 12 i timed so far was playing that china build xd
what is the china build ?
gaunt owl
<@229446360284397570>
fight me !
broken arrow
Bring back MoP talents but keep it 1 for spec 1 for class. Same number of choices anyways 
tacit crystal
guys surely servers are already up
broken arrow
Eurochads cant stop winning
hardy estuary
Do we think any of the heroic BRD trinkets are going to be worth our time?
forest dove
Don’t tease me, are NA servers actually already up?
tacit crystal
fuck no
livid cloak
No way, not on such a big patch day
forest dove
Yeahhhhh, I’ve got 8 hours to prepare to switch to warbreaker with that game shattering 2 extra yards
Spec fixed boys
silent flame
So when you get to high ilevel do i just satck crit and haste
livid cloak
For slayer yes
vital rune
because of rashanan we are a top 5 dps spec in raid
Interesting. I’ve only done it on heroic and always ignore the adds anyways since they blow up
livid cloak
Colossus prefers crit mastery, but both builds do like all stats
livid cloak
Interesting. I’ve only done it on heroic and always ignore the adds anyways sinc...
Its because boss is in execute for over half the fight
tacit crystal
sean its so doomed
livid cloak
So arms just pumps
tacit crystal
i was going to buy sockets for a colo set
but just bought a queen kill for my aug
-75k debt
livid cloak
Lol
gaunt matrix
His build isn't on there for me, apparently limited info because he's in China?
is this build even worth doing?
thick kelp
no
its
trash
We checked his logs
he is barely above their tank and clearly getting boosted
thick kelp
the china arms player goes full aoe yes
Funnily enough his build even barely deals aoe in his runs that have been logged to the point he is just above the premade bdk
dim basalt
the fuck
golden smelt
is this build even worth doing?
It depends on the key level you're at. I'm running something similar, but I'm only just breaking into 11's and it's been competitive in the groups I've been in. I imagine it massively falls off in higher coordinated groups though
gaunt matrix
Makes sense, ill still run colossus then. I am currently doing 10-11s atm. That build seemed sus
tacit crystal
It depends on the key level you're at. I'm running something similar, but I'm on...
it just does 0 damage
I LOVE APPEAL TO AUTHORITY
golden smelt
It does though pal
forest dove
I’m still running slayer in keys… is col that far ahead?
worldly kernel
you can still run slayer in keys
i wouldn't worry about playing demo unless you're doing anything above a 10
( imo )
silent flame
Yeye
im running slayer
also question, mainly from a friend who has mainly been playing arms for a while
livid cloak
Colossus feels bad on lower keys or non fortified keys
silent flame
Why collosal smash over warbreaker
tacit crystal
for what slayerV
livid cloak
Bc everything is dead by the time your burst is ready to rip
tacit crystal
?
silent flame
I just run slayer cause one less button and i alreay have a lot on my bars
yeye slayer
silent flame
Alright yea, sorry if i have newb questions
only ever played prot and i barely did it
worldly kernel
the damage you get is minimal and you want more ST because thats what arms lacks when you start playing with other melee that just do way more damage than you
livid cloak
Slayer is st focused so cs leans into that with more prio damage and longer haste buff
tacit crystal
sean i need to be put in prison btw
livid cloak
Take yourself in
tacit crystal
ive been playing cs instead of warbringer on colo
silent flame
How diffrent is colossas btw
tacit crystal
for half the keys
livid cloak
That's criminal for sure
tacit crystal
oh yeah
silent flame
Cuase im asking as colossal fits so much more with the arms fantasy
worldly kernel
slayer is consistent smoother and a lot more streamlined it's basically noob friendly, you don't change your playstyle from DF except from little things like holding for exe debuffs in 35%
tacit crystal
what does that even mean
worldly kernel
let me rephrase that
wanton sierra
how about we imagine some new talents xD jesus i need to stop this
livid cloak
From what I see, colossus has a much lower floor and higher ceiling for overall dam depending upon how you max your buffs and how big your tank pulls
Slayer just goes
It plays pretty similar to st
Doesn't really care about pull size or worrying about stacking buffs for max output on a single pack
What
silent flame
Ok so, as someone wo doesn't play much arms warrior and barely knwos muc about war i should go slayer for now?
tacit crystal
play both
livid cloak
Probably
silent flame
idk im dumb