arms

[spring rune]

[torn rivet]

CAUGHT

[pulsar elk]

oh do u guys know what happens to demo when your target dies?

[tacit crystal]

[balmy kindle]

Cancelled

[pulsar elk]

kinda hard to tell sometimes

[balmy kindle]

[pulsar elk]

ah gotcha

rip

[sharp wyvern]

They fixed that

At least it was in some patchnotes in beta

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-retsuko-aggretsuko-uneasy-anxious-gif-18081066

[pulsar elk]

the difference is toxicity ❤️

[torn rivet]

o.o o-oh

[icy mulch]

Don't look at my IO than.

[torn rivet]

I'm cooked

[balmy kindle]

You have any better ideas to get crests fast

[torn rivet]

i surely do

[sharp wyvern]

Be 630 ilvl

Easy invites

[runic tundra]

We all started being friends agaim

[runic tundra]

It dies too

[torn rivet]

take me to M+ i need reliable prot warrior ❤️ (<- method to get crests)

[runic tundra]

My io is so fucked

[balmy kindle]

how to 630 if you are stuck in lobby simulator

[runic tundra]

Ever since they made 8s gilded level I've just stop trying ngl

[sharp wyvern]

Get funneled loot by your guild

[torn rivet]

what guild

[sharp wyvern]

[torn rivet]

my guild cant even 8/8normal

they're cooked af

[sacred zodiac]

holy

[runic tundra]

Definition of a for fun guild

[icy mulch]

Imagine having a guild that would do that..... mine just gears 4 Alts.

[torn rivet]

nah im joking we're hardstuck 7/8HC

[balmy kindle]

Well we are 6/8 H now

[pulsar elk]

are the woke people in the room with us now?

[sacred zodiac]

yeah

they're me

[sharp wyvern]

Its a virus

[sacred zodiac]

the woke mind virus overtook me

[sharp wyvern]

We are all infected

[torn rivet]

nani

callin' the prot warriors to intercept

[sharp wyvern]

You can't spell reflect a virus

[torn rivet]

@icy mulch plez block the woke viruz 4 me via intercept

[icy mulch]

Stupid mind goblins.

[pulsar elk]

all of u that dont spec into intervene for m+ or raid, wtf?

[sharp wyvern]

No

[torn rivet]

i do it to hook the girls in my guild

works 100%

[sharp wyvern]

Unless I can reflect tank buster for pad

[sacred zodiac]

whats a mind goblin?

:)

[boreal quartz]

Dreadnaught 🤣🤣🤣

[icy mulch]

Mind goblin DEEZ NUTS.

[torn rivet]

was good knowing u spongie

LMAO

[boreal quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/902189324341227562/1159400823575543808/3dgifmaker27614.gif

[sacred zodiac]

i need to find that dnd short again

[torn rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267940564832354304/1268239674745557185/RDT_20240731_1911326558763785269570779.gif

[sacred zodiac]

dm takes away the ability of one character to finish deez nuts type jokes so he ripped mind goblin and explained they're psionic

[pulsar elk]

why does arms outperform fury in normal raid?

[icy mulch]

Legend of Avantris is pure comedy gold.

[torn rivet]

the circus starts again

[sacred zodiac]

didnt know their name theyre so good

[pulsar elk]

in fact why does arms outperform everyone in normal raid? hmmm

[sacred zodiac]

i love the clown character aswell

[icy mulch]

Fucking Chuckles.

Lol, I hate and love that Character.

[woven wasp]

good one philliam

[torn rivet]

guys do you think its a good idea to stick with warrior given their current status as dogshit?

[sacred zodiac]

no reroll immediately

[torn rivet]

and soonTM status as even worse dogshit

[spring rune]

Reroll fury

[sacred zodiac]

nah delete the warrior

go feral

[vernal crypt]

Ret > arms

[torn rivet]

:(

[icy mulch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nivXvfST-QQ?si=HmT8XAviVEqc5BWK

[sacred zodiac]

im watching it right now

its so good

[pulsar elk]

anyone know why arms > everyone in normal raid? honestly just curious

[torn rivet]

Lol

im dead

[vital summit]

You can ingest copious amounts of copium and hope for some buffs tho

[torn rivet]

HAHAH

[sacred zodiac]

they're psionic

[boreal quartz]

Ty greg

[zinc wolf]

Thats how they get you hooked

[icy mulch]

So if these nerfs make it easier for us to swap back and forth for utility rage then throughput, ARE there aura buffs planned? Cause yeah, both Arms and Fury gonna be hurting in comparison.

[torn rivet]

i dont think we're coming back this season

[vernal crypt]

No we're deadge reroll

[torn rivet]

i think warrior got buried for good

[icy mulch]

I already dropped 300$ on their kickstarter package for Crooked Moon.

[sacred zodiac]

idk im gonna be real with you warrior will stay exactly the same relevancy everywhere

[zinc wolf]

Oh no

[sacred zodiac]

you'll be identical in raid and fine for weekly 10s, and a niche chocie you can make in high key pushing

[vast helm]

When can we happily play our favorite specialization?

[sacred zodiac]

always

[boreal quartz]

You will never be happy

You play wow

[torn rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

[wooden coral]

Question about rage, should i only press slam if I have nothing else to press even if I'm going to cap on rage? like for an overpower or something?

[torn rivet]

I am happy and playing wow

[boreal quartz]

Lair

[torn rivet]

slam consumes rage, not generates

[boreal quartz]

Just play prio

[torn rivet]

so yes you press slam to not overcap + when uhave nothing to press

Press SLAM to fish for OP procs

[boreal quartz]

Ignore rage before exe

[torn rivet]

i use slam to get op procs

[boreal quartz]

Overcapping doesnt matter in the slightest

[torn rivet]

and i really don't give a crap about "overcapping"

[boreal quartz]

Do you should word it better

[torn rivet]

there

[pulsar elk]

okay, not tryna rage bait here but genuinely curious, in heroic, >95 parses show arms > fury for every boss except urglax, broodtwister and queen (and rash post wcl change) so why again is fury being pushed so hard?

was there just some confusion because its different in mythic?

[sacred zodiac]

no one is pushing fury for hc

[pulsar elk]

okay gotcha

thats where we had a disconnect

[sacred zodiac]

i think the common consensus very specifically was "play what you enjoy for hc"

for mythic you should be changing specs based on fight if you want to play optimally

[pulsar elk]

yeahh makes sense

[runic tundra]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ICwM788wbZE?feature=shared

Oh damn I was late

[sacred zodiac]

the animated version was really really good

[pulsar elk]

just specifically for heroic tho it does seem like arms does more damage than fury on the bosses i didnt list there

which matters to me because my guilds probably never gonna touch mythic lol

[runic tundra]

Unless ur guild uber struggles on add fights you can play whatever in hc

[pulsar elk]

yeah makes sense, for queen prog it actually might make sense to try fury if webs arent going down fast enough

arms only answer to the back to back webs is either saving a TR for the second, and BS the first, or just pop sweeping strikes and start blasting lol definitely not ideal when ppl are dying to the blades that come after

[sacred zodiac]

probs the play, you'll give your guild the room they need to prog the rest of the fight if you detonate the webs and p3 adds

[thick kelp]

You take one fury for battleshout and to kill smallies in p3 for Queen

thats it

[runic tundra]

Only mfing time I beat everyone in damage is thnx to adds

[pulsar elk]

yeah but we spent 3 hours of prog tonight and didnt see intermission so expectations for this group are pretty lowwwwww

[thick kelp]

Playing arms especially after this week

[runic tundra]

And webs

[thick kelp]

its trolling

[runic tundra]

Ethical damage

[pulsar elk]

saying what u said is trolling actually

[thick kelp]

wym

[runic tundra]

As long as you have fast Web clear already

[pulsar elk]

gonna have to be more specific if ur spoutin garbo like that

[runic tundra]

Playing arms is fine

[thick kelp]

???

I am literally

[sacred zodiac]

this is specifically hc

[thick kelp]

Bench as 2nd warrior when my g is progging m queen

ciuz its ass

[thick kelp]

AHH

[runic tundra]

Lol

[pulsar elk]

you got benched? damn u must suck lol

[runic tundra]

Context is important guys

[thick kelp]

Yeah

I do suck

[runic tundra]

I can never get benched as the only warr

[wanton sierra]

walhe is one of the big kings around here mate

[runic tundra]

Blessing and curse type beat

[thick kelp]

I am only good at reading

my execution tho

...

[pulsar elk]

cringe

[sacred zodiac]

king

[thick kelp]

Here to learn like the rest

[sacred zodiac]

im ditching arms for court

[wanton sierra]

must be a rookie xD

[sacred zodiac]

surely thane fury will be my salvation

[astral talon]

man's ditching arms

meanwhile i'll be embracing collosus

for court

[sacred zodiac]

could be fine

i couldnt make it work

[runic tundra]

My biggest mistake was choosing arms

For sikran

[woven wasp]

so real brother embrace the mountain

and it shall embrace you

[sacred zodiac]

do you want to be the third guy looking over my logs unable to find out why the other warrior is just doing 10% more dam than me

[woven wasp]

no

[sacred zodiac]

unlucky

thane it will be

does it have to be spear thane tho

[thick kelp]

which spec

sponger

king

[sacred zodiac]

slayer i am not a troller

[runic tundra]

Ew

[woven wasp]

im playing roar

[thick kelp]

arm or fury

i mean

[sacred zodiac]

idk xan sent me a thane spec but it was a bit cooked

[woven wasp]

i cba with spear and multiple targets all spread out

[pulsar elk]

whats the benefit of fury over arms for court?

[thick kelp]

same dps for more hp

[sacred zodiac]

i progged most of the fight as slayer arms but i just cant get the numbers as the other warrior which is just really weird

[runic tundra]

Your brain is off

And you live better

[thick kelp]

Send log

I look

[pulsar elk]

ah makes sense

[sacred zodiac]

noober #3 has been conscripted

will you succeed where garm and aagaard have failed?

[woven wasp]

have you tried casting more spells buddy

remember your abcs

[midnight mural]

Arms really dont do more dps than fury on court? Shame lol... 2-target cleave = arms should be king

[pulsar elk]

it does

according to data

[runic tundra]

Arms on court is just strange

[pulsar elk]

but not enough to justify losing the survivability i guess

[woven wasp]

there is no good data for it currently

[midnight mural]

was more just asking King Walhe

like

[thick kelp]

From what I have seen you can play anything on court for same dps

[woven wasp]

not enough people have killed it as both specs to come to a conclusion

[pulsar elk]

can use the resources available to you with the internet

[pulsar elk]

ahh gotcha

[midnight mural]

if RWF type raider can do 2-4% more dps as arms, than as fury - fine. But if im not RWF caliber, and i play fury a bit better than arms - i'l be doing similar damage, but having alot easier living stuff as fury.

[sacred zodiac]

thane buffs were very recent and most of prog was dome with slayer arms

[woven wasp]

like sure, theres a lot of arms parses. but thats just because arms was the only option for a very long time, thats what people looked into and therefore played

[pulsar elk]

if looking at stats instead of ranks but yeah i hear you doesnt change the size pool and changes that came this week

[runic tundra]

Nothing humbles me more than arms survivability

[wanton sierra]

hey guys i got the chance to craft an 636 gear, idk what to choose to craft... since neck and cloack we can get from raid, i feel that its not worth to craft it idk... may you guys help me on this? maybe ring or gloves

[astral talon]

i dunno man

id give collo a try

[sacred zodiac]

arms isnt squishy press your defensives

[astral talon]

before going to fury

[sacred zodiac]

i did it felt terrible

[pulsar elk]

honestly arms feels pretty good in high keys compared to my ret idk why

[astral talon]

smh

[sacred zodiac]

craft a weapon

[midnight mural]

bro 95th percentile on mythic silken court is how many players? 10?

[pulsar elk]

spell reflect goes hard

[astral talon]

spongie my guy

[wanton sierra]

i got myth

[sacred zodiac]

do you not touch fury at all?

[wanton sierra]

not at all

[runic tundra]

Ofc it's not but man do I forget that I just don't passively heal as much

[wanton sierra]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/Kroggarb @sacred zodiac

[runic tundra]

Also if I die it's because blizzard color pallette on fights is the same color for everything

[sacred zodiac]

craft wrist or belt is fine itd be terrible to loot the cloak and craft in that slot

[midnight mural]

yeah so 96 kills as warrior - 95th percentile of that is 5 players

[astral talon]

i do

for fun

xD

[wanton sierra]

yes, i need the second embelishment... my belt is bis stats, i might craft an gloves idk or ring

[midnight mural]

no

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/38#boss=2921&class=Warrior

[astral talon]

but i am a firm believe in silken court collosus

[wanton sierra]

my wrist is runed versino

[midnight mural]

how many kills?

[pulsar elk]

yah my bad u right

[runic tundra]

Fastest delete in the west

[midnight mural]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-wink-yes-आँख-मारना-gif-5795910

[runic tundra]

I was thinking of playing that

[sacred zodiac]

was meant for the man who was considering what to craft

[pulsar elk]

at least my name isnt a reference to a fictional slave

[runic tundra]

Possibility of shit going hard

[pulsar elk]

weirdo

[runic tundra]

It's a fun ass name to say what can I say

[pulsar elk]

giving racist but you do you

[runic tundra]

Giving I didn't really ask

But you do you

[pulsar elk]

who is that

[woven wasp]

spongie

[sacred zodiac]

i wish

[astral talon]

oh

[pulsar elk]

sooo

who?

obviously put in a lot of effort to photoshop someone in there lol

[sacred zodiac]

brother found the original picture

[pulsar elk]

yeah cuz u wont answer my question lol

[runic tundra]

The great Detective

[sacred zodiac]

its northernlion man lmao

[runic tundra]

[runic tundra]

I haven't seen a vid of his in a good while

[woven wasp]

pick one man, cant be both a lion and a man

[sacred zodiac]

hes busy saying utter woke nonsense

[pulsar elk]

i still dont really get it lol

so this canadian streamer is woke ?

or hes calling out woke

whats the context of this meme here

[woven wasp]

@sacred zodiac

[sacred zodiac]

the man who would not be saying "utter woke nonsense" is being depicted to say this

this is the funny

[pulsar elk]

gotchaaaa

cuz it could be either way ya know

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/toast-anime-concerned-gif-22128918

[woven wasp]

could be, sushi amirite

[pulsar elk]

fr fr

[icy mulch]

Hey look, it's a Paladin!

Starfish their keyboard and win.

[wanton sierra]

hey, dawnthread linin buff stack?

[thick kelp]

ye

if u are missing the 2nd one just drop below 80% hp and u will gain it

dying works too

[wanton sierra]

oh ty master walhe

[sage badge]

Make a naked gear set (all unequipped) and your arms set. Just go naked and then put it on all at once. Easy fix.

[thick kelp]

You go naked Deswind

[icy mulch]

pffft, thinking we have gear. lol

[sage badge]

True, my warrior is very weak atm. Soon

[thick hamlet]

why is it called arms and not arm

[faint sparrow]

Hey hey! I hope you are all doing well.
Any recommendation for good arms warrior streamers?

[fossil mantle]

it should be called apendix, cause any group can easily go without one 🤣

[final dove]

I need help with the execute phase for st

i have 4 set is it 2x execute 2 overpower then MS repeat?

[subtle ravine]

I execute until I get a Tactician Proc, OP, then back to Execute till another Tac proc, OP, then MS and repeat

[boreal quartz]

2 EP + 2 tierset

Then ms

Otherwise exe and op/sks to fill for rage

Bs only with 2 EP and in cs

[subtle ravine]

Oh we don't prio Overpower for MP prior to MS?

[livid cloak]

Really? I've been waiting on 2x ep but not colossus smash

Just sending it

[sacred zodiac]

cs not necessary

unless cs is coming up very soon

[subtle ravine]

So do we only care about Martial Prowess prior to Exe-phase?

[boreal quartz]

If u dont lose cast u wanna do it in cs

But i am not good at judging kill

So i just send

[sacred zodiac]

you don't care about martial prowess in ST

i think theres conditionals in aoe but i play fury in aoe content so i cant help with that check the guides

[subtle ravine]

Oh damn, fair enough, I was wondering what I was missing that was making me only Blue parse in the last normal Raid I joined. That explains it

[boreal quartz]

Probably also not pressing ms on CD outside of exe

[thick kelp]

Martial prowess is fake

but it also curses the spec

FUCK

I HATE

IT

[sacred zodiac]

you technically do care about it in execute !!!!

(if you do i will shoot you)

[final dove]

wait.. so dont bother tracking martial prowess?

[boreal quartz]

I would

[faint sparrow]

Why wouldn't we care about it? Increases next MS by 30%? Isnt that good to add in to rotation even in execute phase?

[boreal quartz]

It's moreso that OP is a kinda shit global in exe if u already have 2 MP buffs

Even with opportunist

@thick kelp remember s3 df rota

Just as shit as current

[thick kelp]

This is

worse

than s3 df

[faint sparrow]

Speaking about MS, anyone got a good weakaura for it? Mine seems a bit buggy

[final dove]

so..

[boreal quartz]

Df s3 pre exe was fun

[final dove]

we just go exe x2 MS

[boreal quartz]

No you spam exe till 2 tierset

[thick kelp]

no

[boreal quartz]

[final dove]

_>

[boreal quartz]

And 2 EP but that's always there

Unless ur ms procs tier and next exe also does ig

[final dove]

fk

arms is ass

[balmy cradle]

you also want 2 martial prowess right? so you consume the procs while you get them?

[thick kelp]

naw

it comes quite naturally

since you want to OP if you have 2OP stacks and rage is below 85

[balmy cradle]

ah makes sense yeah

[wanton sierra]

ive crafted my gloves

yuge

[daring heron]

maybe arms needs more MS modifiers

add another one

maybe 2

[quartz schooner]

Wait so what do you do in execute when you're rage starving and have 2ep but still waiting on a stack of 4p or 2?

OP (if avail) > charge weave > slam?

(assuming no SKS)

Guess I haven't played arms in a while but sitting on MS feels odd

[daring heron]

you just keep executing

definitely dont slam

[quartz schooner]

That's some warrior brain shit right there lmao

[sharp wyvern]

True Execute specs only have 1 button when boss reaches 35%

[quartz schooner]

Thanks

[boreal quartz]

How about focussed slam

Buffs MP to give a diff buff amount to ms

So you need 2 EP 2 tier 2 MP 2 slam buffed mp

To then ms

[boreal quartz]

Op charge sks and sad executes

If you starve yell at grp for no shaman

Or skilfully proc a SD

[sacred zodiac]

i wouldnt even mind the 2 billion ms modifiers if they even did anything

i saw a tactician op hit as hard as a fully juiced mortal strike

why am i doing this shit

[boreal quartz]

Why stack if i wont crit anyways

Bro my enha at 600 ilvl out crits my arms

[sacred zodiac]

i crit you

[boreal quartz]

Ive had 8 mil ms crit on mists first boss

Enha crits 12 mil on 1 guy no amps

[sacred zodiac]

come play destiny philliam

[boreal quartz]

Never played not installed

[sacred zodiac]

theres a visual damage cap of 999999 but you can do more damage than that

[boreal quartz]

That's almost half an OP crit

Yuge

[sacred zodiac]

holy

[boreal quartz]

@sacred zodiac do you remember what dps ppl did in legion

[sacred zodiac]

we're gonna reach those levels this expansion no?

[icy mulch]

More and likely.

[boreal quartz]

That's my question

How close are we

Cuz youll see 100 mil in aoe end of expac for sure

Bro fated broodtwister will go so hard

[icy mulch]

There will have to be another level/number squish after this expac.

[vestal gyro]

hello guys i have one question maybe a little bit stupid but for arms as earthen what gem we take ?

[boreal quartz]

No we just play at 2k ilvl

[sacred zodiac]

mythic xavius dps looks identical to todays dps

[boreal quartz]

Holy

[sacred zodiac]

1mil-1.4mil

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-gif-3454682

[stoic island]

hum

just starting arm

why no warbreaker in aoe build ?

[boreal quartz]

Colossus can and should play it

For slayer u dont rlly gain a lot of aoe

For the St u give up

[tacit crystal]

even if its not full rage?

[boreal quartz]

Ye

[tacit crystal]

xd

[boreal quartz]

No other GCD is better

[tacit crystal]

god

i legit

was stroking my shit

waiting to get an auto

[boreal quartz]

I direkt avoid sub 40 execute

[tacit crystal]

me too

[balmy cradle]

do you only use overpower when you cant execute?

[tacit crystal]

but after hitting 4 executes in a row

[boreal quartz]

Below 80 rage and 2 op charges u op

[tacit crystal]

im slightly out of rage

[boreal quartz]

Otherwise exe

[boreal quartz]

L

[balmy cradle]

ah okay thanks

[boreal quartz]

Rage doesnt move in execute with shaman

Idk

[tacit crystal]

HUGE AUG IMPROVEMENT

[sacred zodiac]

idk what im looking at

i think you should disable details when aug is in the group

even if you are the aug yourself

[tacit crystal]

you are looking at the worst aug in ara 12

https://tenor.com/bOnH7.gif

its gotten worse @sacred zodiac

[sacred zodiac]

idk if u timed ur fine

[tacit crystal]

this part isnt

https://tenor.com/pPuoGy1htU6.gif

[sacred zodiac]

have you tried not answering the door for approximately 15% of the key

[tacit crystal]

nah i died 2nd boss

like a noob

so my eb uptime that was already bad just got nuked

[sacred zodiac]

i thought its impossible to not have good uptime on that

[tacit crystal]

mists 11 i did

[fresh spire]

make slam buff ms

🤷‍♂️

surely we cant get anymore buffs to ms

[thick kelp]

Slam feels bad as a filler?

Slam now grants a buff to MS to increase its critical strike chance and damage by 2%/4%/6% per cast

´monkeys paw

[shadow ibex]

Die

Just let execute at all health % why do I need a rotation button that is used like 15 times an encounter

[fringe moon]

still hoping for a colossus ST buff to make it comparable to slayer

and nothing related to increased bleed damage

[shadow ibex]

Blizzard decided to nerf slayer to lessen the gap

[gaunt owl]

smart move

so we all move to real spec / class

[thick kelp]

Battlelord - Overpower and Execute have a chance to reset the cooldown of Mortal Strike
Executioners Precision - Execute causes the target to take 75% more damage from your next Mortal Strike. Stacks up to 1
Juggernaut - Execute increases Execute's damage dealt by 3% per stack. Stacks up to 5 times

[shadow ibex]

It was surely overperforning

[thick kelp]

Fixed arms guys

np

[gaunt owl]

dont make me hope

[thick kelp]

I am living on Copium

[gaunt owl]

i would love having MS back as a generator in that place

Slam as free filler

OP as spender

and Execute as giga spender

[shadow ibex]

No free abilities as long as AM

Please

No

[gaunt owl]

remove AM

[thick kelp]

Remove AM

make tactician reset CS

[shadow ibex]

Yall think this creatively bankrupt warbringer devs could replace it with anything

Not a chance

[fringe moon]

I wouldn't care for the CD reset unless these abilities empowered the next MS to be better than other possible GCD's

[shadow ibex]

Yes reset cs is nothing without an effect on casting it

Otherwise what changes just CS time goes up but who cares now dmg profile is a flat plain

[gaunt owl]

CS increase MS next crit chance by 100%

easy

we go back to giga stack mastery !

[fringe moon]

like for example, if battlelord granted 1 stack of martial prowess and 1 stack of EP...that'd be great

[thick kelp]

I mean it does

cuz u need to press execute

to proc it

[gaunt owl]

its risky to tie too much power into Battlelord

[thick kelp]

Thats kinda the loop of what I typed out

[fringe moon]

exactly....the battlelord CD reset would max out either EP or MP

basically whichever ability procc'd the reset, the MS buff would get maxed

[gaunt owl]

i want MP to die

one of the too many MS modifier

[fringe moon]

I guess they can just buff Tide of Blood or something to also increase MS damage

so you're ramping up to a fat MS

[thick kelp]

ms should be fat without amps

[daring heron]

reduce MS damage further add more amps

[gaunt owl]

we arent boomkin

ramping is sad

we wanna smash

[thick kelp]

back the cn where you only ms for dw

[fringe moon]

I agree...just doesn't seem like blizzard cares to increase MS base damage. So suggesting other options that would only buff colossus and not slayer

[real spade]

Change Unhinged to Cast Executes instead of MS, buff the MS coefficient to make it worth pressing over Ex with 2x EP.
MS feels decent again, juggernaut uptime go up, less reliant on SD RNG.
Spec fixed.

[vital rune]

Did half a m+ yesterday not realizing I had defensive stance on

Awk

[teal fossil]

You just casually made Battlelord one of the strongest talent in the game

1 ep 1 mp is 68% damage on your next ms

So the proc rate would have to be nerfed to hell

[dire hinge]

we just need 2-3 more buttons in our rotation, surely that'd fix us

just one more lane, one more

[fringe moon]

Yeah...but then there's the offset of whichever talent you dropped for it.

[teal fossil]

Yeah and no talent provides that much damage

Unhinged is one of the best talent for arms

And that’s 2 mortal strikes every 60 seconds

[fringe moon]

true, so it'd most likely be 1 pt in bloodborn

[teal fossil]

Now you are suggesting 0.68 mortal strikes every 4-6 seconds

[astral talon]

remove useless abilities, give us more bomba

[teal fossil]

Do you see how overtuned this is

[astral talon]

at this point, fuck slam

[teal fossil]

It’s about 8 times as good as unhinged

[stoic island]

do you want to SS during bladestorm ?

[astral talon]

give us 10 stacks of demolish when we hit CS

[stoic island]

are the MS from it cleaving ?

[teal fossil]

It doesn’t cleave no

[fringe moon]

yeah, but also have to factor in the 35% proc rate

[teal fossil]

Yes I’m factoring that

It’s still at least 6 times as good as unhinged

And doesn’t have the problem of unhinged being uncleavable

Not to mention if this existed, either mortal strike or the buffs will have to be nerfed further

[visual fern]

https://x.com/sx6_magnusz/status/1847162058694877361

mr mag (@sx6_magnusz) on X

i'll design warrior for free @WarcraftDevs

whoever is currently designing it is doing a horrible job

Twitter · Oct 18, 2024, 6:25 AM

Magnus fighting the good fight

[teal fossil]

I rather 240 design warrior

Than whoever is balancing it right now

And I have never agreed with a 240 take

[fringe moon]

HAH...compliment taken!

[astral talon]

my president

[vapid bay]

Just start a petition to revert to legion arms

[dire hinge]

make us a healer spec

give banner

[gaunt owl]

our only hope

[gaunt owl]

we can agree to disagree but we want some change !

[teal fossil]

The change I want is aura buffs

[real spade]

"We Want Change!"
Blizzard:
"Okay, bet."

[visual fern]

I would rather get bad design changes

Than whatever the fuck is currently happening

Aka no changes

[swift crown]

Warbringer now deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets!!!

[fathom bluff]

Yo new guy thinking of trying out arms here. It's Looking really enthuastic and happy in here. What are people so unhappy with?

[visual fern]

Who wants to tell him

[fringe moon]

everything?

[fathom bluff]

Jeez everything?

[visual fern]

Hrothmar typing

You're in good hands

[fathom bluff]

I was kinda taking a liking to all buff to dots we got. Well if you count that bleed buff in colossus

[real spade]

I still can't get over the Slayer nerf lol. I understand that thematically - 10 stacks of overwhelm with an Imminent BS makes sense, but with no compensation it just turns into a blanket ~2% dmg nerf. If they're going to treat this spec like this all xpac, should probably just reroll now and move past the neglect.

[fathom bluff]

*I'd play colossus because duh and im not pushing 15s or raid mythic so who gives a fuck

Man this is gonna be quite the novel about how arms is actually shit and ive wasted my time leveling isn't it?😂

[dire hinge]

Disclaimer: Arms is still playable, but it's in an... interesting(?) space right now. Our main damaging ability requires a lot of buff procs in order to be used. This isn't inherently bad, but within the overall "engine" of arm's feedback loop it ends up leaving Arms in this space where we have a wet noodle of a main ability, combined with a rotation that feels like it often competes with itself. Using free abilities that proc, yet our feedback loop wants us to spend rage. Odd hero talents make this worse atop it.

[fathom bluff]

Wet noodle main ability? Sounds familar (survival main)

[dire hinge]

you can still do damage, and it's not the worst spec ever performance wise, but it feels like it's in a weird direction right now and our kit doesn't feel coherent compared to other specs who get reworked way more often

there's obviously a lot more nuance that other folks can talk to in more detail, but that's sort of the jist of it

[fathom bluff]

Can you he more concrete? Are you saying we actually dont press ms unless its buffed? Or how exactly does this make the rotation shit?
And is this also the case if you play colossus? Wich as im aware isnt the favored spec atm

[visual fern]

MS has a damage variance from 200k to like 6mil

[fathom bluff]

What the fuck

[visual fern]

Crit % + modifiers (mostly passive in terms of decision making)

[dire hinge]

yeah, that's where the "requires a lot of buff procs in order to be used" part comes in

[real spade]

Even after a nerf, you're often pressing the ability that has been a filler for 20 years over your Mortal Strike in ST Slayer. Freakin' Overpower.
MS is only doing dam when accounting for stacking buffs of Martial Prowess, Executioner's Precision, + Tier

[fathom bluff]

How many fuckin buffs to ms are there?

[dire hinge]

we have things like:

• Martial Prowess (overpower)
• Lethal Blows (tier set, 12sec timer per stack)
• Executioner's Precision (execute)
• That One Buff From Colossus Whose Name I always Forget
• etc

[visual fern]

• cooldowns

[dire hinge]

and crit variance, as garm mentioned atop all of it

[fathom bluff]

Mhhh i see

[visual fern]

The other part of it is currently arms seems to not exist on dev radar and is just getting shot in crossfire as a result of fury targetted nerfs

[dire hinge]

you can have a fully buffed MS with all cooldowns running to buff your damage and then.... you don't crit and it does very meh damage

[visual fern]

Which is very

[fathom bluff]

That is a weird design. I'd say almost certainly unintentional

[visual fern]

One would think

[fathom bluff]

Just blizz being slow to change shit even if its obvious it needs changing

[vapid bay]

Yes this is a forgotten by god spec

[dire hinge]

its our current "identity" in some ways, but it feels very strange in practice

[fathom bluff]

Lmao

Trust me i know what it feels like to play forgitten specs.

[visual fern]

No like

[fathom bluff]

Somehow they end up being the most fun ones for me

[visual fern]

They want to nerf warbreaker - a talent that applies an aoe debuff, not used for it's damage - but no one takes it anyway because the ST alternative is better on aoe anyway

Devs slate nerf for warbringer - a pvp talent, and go to change it's target cap - which doesn't affect the function of why it would be taken in aoe

That's how bad

[fathom bluff]

Aw man... i was actually enjoyjng arms with this semi bleed thing going on.

[visual fern]

[real spade]

It should also be noted that the spec's resource is a cosmetic until 35%. Rage straight up doesn't matter. Spend half your globals just hitting Opportunist Overpowers

[visual fern]

If you enjoy it

By all means can learn it and keep it in your pocket till it's better

[fathom bluff]

Yeh i was surprised that warbreaker isnt taken in m+

[visual fern]

Arms before TWW is still one of my favorite specs to play despite all of it's issues

Seems TWW is just The Warriors Wane.....

[finite mantle]

too real garms

[fathom bluff]

Yeh i feel like tww was a step back for a lot of specs sadly. A lot of hero talents are actually so shit they destract form the spec lmao

[visual fern]

Slayer/Thane are fairly well designed imo

Just the core kit is lacking/uninteresting to me

[fathom bluff]

Oh i cant really comment on the warrior ones im definetly uninformed

I meam slayer definetly looks quite boring to me. Passive dmg procs yawn

[visual fern]

It does a lot in terms of pacing

[fathom bluff]

Colossus sounds a lot cooler on paper. But again, noob opinion

[visual fern]

Which is valuable for a class to have , for some people

[fresh spire]

slayer is only ok because of unhinged

remove that it would be crap

[fathom bluff]

Also very biased towards bleed buff

[visual fern]

Colossus could be cool if demolish didn't have crit RNG on it's refunds and didn't root you in place

[fathom bluff]

I feel like demolish could use a bit of a qol improvement yeh

Maybe at least reduce cast time. Possibly make the animation a bit... more flashy

Not just rampage from wish

[dire hinge]

just let it be a frontal please sweet heavens

fully aware it's skill issue on my part, but when i Demo a mob that jumps to a ranged 40 yards away and it just fizzles despite there still being a bunch of things in melee

[fathom bluff]

And im guessing there's just deafening silence on the devs end?

Like

You guys don't even know if they know

[dire hinge]

well we caught a Roar nerf, and a spell that hasn't been used in a decade got nerfed (this is likely a typo)

[fathom bluff]

Lmao

[dire hinge]

Warbreaker = current ability
Warbringer = patch notes ability that got nerfed

[sharp wyvern]

i think its warbringer nerf

they didnt fix the spelling yet

[dire hinge]

tbf there's a guy on my server named "warbringer"

maybe it was just him who got nerfed

called out in front of everyone

[teal fossil]

It’s funny that roar nerf didn’t nerf the dot but odyns nerf nerfed the dot

[dire hinge]

right? and the upfront hit didn't really do much (maybe threat gen a bit at worst)

[astral talon]

ayyy arakara 11 timed 😄

[dire hinge]

grats!

[shadow ibex]

We really need a rework but impossible with hero talents

[astral talon]

i mean

[shadow ibex]

[astral talon]

100% possible

collosus doesn't interact too much with ms

and buffing EP, or MS would make exe phase play much better

[sharp wyvern]

its more impossible cause we are talking about warrior

[teal fossil]

Somehow they won’t budge about buffing ms

[astral talon]

needing 3 buffs all on 3 stacks to press ms is terrible

[sharp wyvern]

easiest way to buff arms except aura buffs

[shadow ibex]

No way they rework with hero talents

Warbringer devs

[sharp wyvern]

they can rework hero talents

[shadow ibex]

Don't see it happening

[sharp wyvern]

well hunter got one

[shadow ibex]

Not with shortened expac cycle

Same people who also said very happy with arms class fantasy

[dark flower]

The fact is that our spec's fantasy revolves around delivering big Mortal Strikes and being the best DPS when the target is below 35% HP. Looking at our heroic talent options, Colossus seems to be the one that best fits this fantasy. The problem, as we all know, is that it's entirely based on a skill that comes with a series of issues.

[runic tundra]

i just want marked for death to scale

either that or the giga juggernaut stacks

[silent tendon]

dunno who can like this spec, it's a fcking mess

just got to point where i am like fck the dmg fury is more fun on ST and i get better logs

also not playing warbreaker for m+ is another reason for me to not play the spec

[flint tapir]

Copium: but we can prayge something hits the patch notes this afternoon before we all get forced to play Dk, Ret or Enhance.

[manic stirrup]

you can play warbreaker

you arguably should as colossus and make up for lost st with other talents

like strength of arms, battelord, massacre or arterial bleed+sks

[livid cloak]

ive been playing with battlelord and no MBG a bit today

definitely feels like it's based on how big your tank can pull

if they can do big packs, mbg pulls way ahead, but battlelord for me is a 27k dps increase ST

and if it's 1 pack at a time, its' definitely much nicer/easier to play

i still cbf to play sks in keys though

either way i'm mostly a 1.5m andy it seems like in every key except necrotic wake lol

or stonevault

Does anyone know the math of when you'd cleave ST? How many collateral damage stacks, if you have mbg talented and ravager up

I assume it's better than slam with mbg talented and rav up

But I haven't actually looked

[dire hinge]

Cleave isn't even mentioned in Colossus's single target APL, for what it's worth.
Slayer only uses it if you dont have any Martial Prowess stacks.

@fresh spire would likely know more, or at least confirm if it wasn't looked into bc it wasn't worthwhile, etc.

[vale gorge]

"Bladestorm give stack" Problem solved at pull

[dire hinge]

i know with Collateral Damage stacks it still can crit for pretty high

[thick kelp]

Cleave in ST as a filler over Slam if you have no MP stacks

for both hero specs

[livid cloak]

Interesting okay

Ty

[sage badge]

I think it's 5 stacks in ST, but can probably check in sims.

[vale gorge]

It does not, 3 target at least if i'm right

[sage badge]

Wait, what are you referring to? I was just answering the question of when to cleave in ST with CD stacks. I should have replied to the original question to make it clear for my response.

[vale gorge]

Oh ok, same for me I was looking at an old line.

[sage badge]

I didn't do any work for the current apl, but I'm sure there's a point where cleave is worth it if you have collateral damage stacks and it's only single target. I'm napkin mathing it at 5, but too lazy to check.

[astral zephyr]

There is one thing driving me insane, how tf do I get rid of this bullshit HP/rage bar?

[fathom bluff]

sorry for being a debby downer again but was sweeping strikes always on the gcd? cause man wouldnt it be nice if it wasnt🥲

[woven wasp]

personal resource display

[summer elbow]

Hi guys is ur aoe mass dmg good? Big pulls?

[rancid willow]

Should be a passive talent IMO. Passive cleave is sorely needed

[boreal quartz]

apparently if you charge you can get hit by 2 frontal things at once on council

like when the phase ends

[misty bridge]

@edgy solstice banger tweet 🤣

[devout pewter]

sweeping being passive sounds pretty boring, i'd rather just have it have no gcd

[tranquil sundial]

that is one happy alt

[boreal quartz]

naahhhh

ill get it on main...

[steel kiln]

hey guys , whats the best talent spec for arms in mithic + ?

[torn rivet]

best talent spec for arms is arms

[steel kiln]

xD

[edgy solstice]

[dry frost]

Please please please tell me that they have removed the interaction of Empyrean Ward and Armored to the Teeth by now, there is no way they let this hit live

[edgy solstice]

I looted two already cmon

[hot current]

when will blizzard fix the thing that demolisher is just bad

like i managed to cancel it 2 times while i jumped cuz of transmitter

[boreal quartz]

PERISH

[summer elbow]

Build? Thanks

[halcyon breach]

Colossus so bad you died playing it

Understandable

[astral yarrow]

i will not read this colossus slander

ok

read i will

but tolerate i wont

[halcyon breach]

You tried to tell me to try and play Colossussy, just for you to not even play it yourself and say I prob shouldn't bother either

[astral yarrow]

give me a less "just do what liquid did" raid lead and i had been colossus from pull 1

[astral talon]

yes

[halcyon breach]

I'll try and spec it while I'm afk'd in town and hope for the best

[livid cloak]

No mass no executioner precision, bold move cotton

This was my Ara Kara earlier

No sks, no battlelord

[zenith warren]

are there any good trinkets from brd?

[tacit crystal]

what was your boss dam sean?

[livid cloak]

uh let me see if i still have it up

i do, one sec

1st boss (aoe on little spiders)

2nd boss

last boss

[tacit crystal]

yeah i think i pref bleed colo more

with ep

and sks

[livid cloak]

it's like a 2k sim diff for me to drop massacre for sks

ST

also man not having a shaman on those st bosses is noticeable

[edgy solstice]

Colossus or fury on M ovinax

what we thinkin

[summer elbow]

Would you mind helping me with the colo rotation please?

[astral zephyr]

Are you running sks or not?

[dim sleet]

Hey all, I'm new here. I've been playing arms the previous 2 seasons and really enjoyed it but I came here to see if others think arms feels really weak in M+ this season...

[astral zephyr]

This is a D tier dps support group now, welcome!

[dim sleet]

I'm watching ret paladin deal 1.5 mil dps overall and I'm lucky to clear 1 mil

[dim sleet]

Lol thanks..

[edgy solstice]

It is relatively weak yeah

Manageable but yeno

[devout pewter]

Overall, just play what you like unless you want to push the edge

[astral talon]

no brain

no rotation

just pump

[devout pewter]

Everything is prio, just pump

[astral talon]

spam cleave

keep up rend

spam ms

always wabreaker and demolish

finish your veggies

sleep well

and train well

[gaunt matrix]

true

[summer elbow]

No blunt? Is waybreaker? Dont we loss st?

[boreal quartz]

you lose st but WB is giga AOE for colossus

[astral talon]

You still do decent st

And not having wb on aoe with demolish is inting lol

[devout pewter]

Wasn't the DPS loss from not having Warbreaker in AoE relatively weak considered to the increase in ST you get?

[astral talon]

30% dmg on everything in aoe vs 3 seconds of more st dmg

[sick gazelle]

isnt it an extra +30% dmg too

[astral talon]

Ye, but st

For 3 more seconds

4 bosses, that last 2min

Vs fuckton of packs that take like 30mim

[manic stirrup]

warbreaker colossus

you can get st damage in other ways

like massacre strength of arms battlelord or sks+arterial bleed

dropping mbg for st damage is pretty much always worth it even though i think its a fun talent

[fresh spire]

https://i.imgflip.com/977c65.gif

[gaunt matrix]

Dafuq is ST

[fading vine]

Single target?

Sunken Temple?

[gaunt matrix]

Okay Ty I’m like high af lost brain cells

[fading vine]

Hahaha all good

[astral zephyr]

Meanwhile DK and retri's fucking dunkin on us

https://tenor.com/view/mouxy-cotorep-aveugle-debile-esquiver-gif-20546128

Blizz be like

[rare kite]

ret is getting a small nerf atleast

[fresh spire]

wait there is another strength melee class? ur jokin right

[zinc rapids]

I actually can't believe they nerfed warrior more.

Dk is so easy with deaths advance, ams. You can just sit there and smash

[astral zephyr]

I swear, you gotta believe me!

[gaunt matrix]

Someone post the nerfs in here?

[livid cloak]

#updates-midnight message

[shadow ibex]

Can't wait for review of arms warrior 11.0.5 changes article

[zenith crystal]

If they were allowed to say what they actually think, it would be fun af lmao

[fading vine]

Is it worth playing with the mercurial egg?

My haste is highest so it's giving me str/haste

[ashen rampart]

w8 we are getting nerfed again?

[weak rain]

yes

[fading vine]

WHAT WHY

[nova marsh]

Beacuse

We share a talent page with fury

[fading vine]

WHY IS IT ALWAYS FURY'S FAULT

[wild kernel]

Stay the course chads, the carousel of balance will come back for us

[sand jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/movie-one-eternity-later-gif-7900643

[ashen rampart]

I swapped to colossus because I was tired of slayer getting fisted because of fury

I guess I wont step on raid anymore

[devout pewter]

slayer arms is king in raid tho

[weak rain]

king? more like kink

[teal fossil]

King is a strong word

[eternal vortex]

Nope

[devout pewter]

King compared to other specs 😄

*warrior specs

[weak rain]

not at all

enh bm fdk arcane

[summer elbow]

This is my inspiration for being arms

[weak rain]

are kings

[devout pewter]

those are warrior specs?

[weak rain]

ye, warrior with the pet and bow, dead warrior, weirdboy warrior and fancy warrior

[devout pewter]

fdk = dead warrior sleepin in a freezer

[summer elbow]

We have bladestorm and execute.. Warrior the Best class

Guys what is the Best comp for a warrior? For dungeons?

[teal fossil]

Frost enh

So you can bshout them

Better yet you can play prot

And let a good dps like ret take last spot

[nova marsh]

Warrior is the worst class in the game brah

If u wonna play warr u gotta be prot. or die

[summer elbow]

So being warrior dps is trolling?

[devout pewter]

nah, it's fine

[summer elbow]

Man i love executing

And spinning

Fuck meta

[devout pewter]

that's all you need

up to 10s it doesn't matter anyways

and honestly most people don't even get there

[summer elbow]

I always played slayer.. Now colossus is a thing is very Hard to play it

I dont doo any dmg on aoe its hard

[devout pewter]

you gotta time your demolish a bit better to have it when more stuff is alive

it's basically a second CS iirc

[summer elbow]

And use it with sweeping strikes right

[devout pewter]

yea

[summer elbow]

Its easy to maintain the 10 stacks of the buff? Is ok to use it with low stacks the first time?

[devout pewter]

and until next pack latest you'll have cooldowns back and 10 stacks

as long as you keep cleave and ms on cooldown (mainly cleave without sweeping) you'll be golden

[summer elbow]

What changes we will have after the patch? Thanks

[devout pewter]

iirc nothing major rotation changing

[nova marsh]

Just we do less damage

[devout pewter]

as always

[thick hamlet]

you spend rage on rampage instead of mortal strike

[devout pewter]

or revenge

[nova marsh]

na

we spend rage on heroic strike only

Just spam it

[summer elbow]

Rampage? I am arms

[thick hamlet]

for now

[devout pewter]

hes memeing

doomers gonna doom

[thick hamlet]

0.9% less dmg, rip spec

[teal fossil]

fury lost like 2.7

[devout pewter]

deleted spec

[nova marsh]

Guys

In 11.07 I heard they're finally deleting warrior

[teal fossil]

Hope

[edgy solstice]

riot mmo, save me

[devout pewter]

it wont

[teal fossil]

It will

Most of us will have grandkids by then

But it will

[devout pewter]

nah, it likely will not even come close to the smoothness of wow

and thus feel terrible

[teal fossil]

We’ll be too old to notice

[devout pewter]

haha true

[edgy solstice]

have faith

every riot game is top of the genre

[manic river]

I want to be a yordle fucker with a big two handed sword

[teal fossil]

Only failed project is the card game

Val is like a perfect mix of casual and try hard

Cod is too casual and cs is too try hard

[halcyon breach]

seek divine intervention

[west wasp]

is there a treacherous transmitter wa?

[gaunt matrix]

Fury has biggest nerf, arms nerf is hardly noticeable it would seem

[edgy solstice]

I don't think LoR is that bad but card genre is tough

[teal fossil]

Yeah it’s not bad

But it failed as in that it’s barely surviving in revenue

Games fine

[thick hamlet]

wasn't riot mmo abandoned already

[teal fossil]

They reset it

That’s why I say it’ll be out when we have grandkids

[nova marsh]

I stg

The Riot MMO is gonna be a bigger meme then GTA 6 or ES 6

or even half life 3

[teal fossil]

GTA 6 has gameplay right

[dawn root]

Do sweep and blademasters torment override eachother or add to eachothers timer?

[shadow ibex]

from heroic clear

[teal fossil]

Add

[strange perch]

how important is swapping gems on enchants for different fights if i also play fury? i have everything gemmed for fury atm and don't really wanna spend all the gold to be that optimal

[wary raft]

That is a very expensive swap for very minimal gain, you are completely fine to forego doing that

you can sim the change to see what you are missing out on if you'd like to weigh your decision better, but I'm certain you are fine to just rock fury gems on arms or vice versa

[polar skiff]

Is Demolish worth using at 0 stacks?

[ionic latch]

After the nerfs, Arms still doin' alright?

[elfin violet]

2 yards buff on WB more impactful than thuderous initial aoe cap quote me

[remote ledge]

Hi, Ive seen that gellyfisk crafted a mastery crit neck, any reasoning behind this?

[thick kelp]

Sims the best for colossus

[remote ledge]

Mastery in general?

[thick kelp]

Crit

and mastery

[remote ledge]

I feel like getting told something different every week here, but hey thanks

[glossy vapor]

sim yoself

[dusty summit]

Robot doesn’t lie

[remote ledge]

Has it happened yet

[edgy solstice]

i tried that china slayer build in a couple keys and idk chief

[boreal quartz]

MBG on bs is so aids

[edgy solstice]

just doesn't feel good

[remote ledge]

The guy does sub aug damage and gets carried by a fdk doing 2M+ per key

[edgy solstice]

ya i figured

[remote ledge]

Prolly his GF ngl

[edgy solstice]

it can slap on big pulls ig

but i dont see why it would slap any more or even equal to colo

i did 1.5 with it albeit a mists so could be a bit higher in other dungeons

[livid cloak]

Chocos build is the highest st build I've found

For colossus bleed build

I'm going to try this build tmrw. It's slightly worse than battle lord and 1/2 bb in st, but a bit stronger in aoe

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/33kW6PRShj4BpoKGbSTpRK

See how it plays

[thick kelp]

dunno who u are listening but I have been saying colossus is a crit mastery spec and slayer loves haste over anythin since launch

[gaunt owl]

only listen to warrior brain people

[remote ledge]

Wowhead

[fresh spire]

been looking more into colossus

Supprisingly Soa is pretty alright for aoe

Drop dread for SOA and use MS>op

[thick kelp]

[fresh spire]

was like 1.8% aoe for 2% st

once arma adds the ravager bugg too

[thick kelp]

Colossus stonks

[fresh spire]

only going to make it better as you can get 10 stacks of colossus might from just rav 1 ms and a cleave

[austere hamlet]

What’s the ravager bug?

[regal birch]

isnt arms catching a nerf again next week via slayer? cause i see nothing about that in the updates channel

i mean in st

[remote ledge]

Video gamers are playing Colo rn

[regal birch]

UHM

i mean we have almost 100% uptime with overwhelmed in bossfights so its almost 2 % nerf or not?

again upcomming next week

[thick kelp]

yeah

[regal birch]

amazing rly 😄

back to being just a buff

and even consider to not even being taken if the buff isnt even worth it like in castle

if they continue this

[broken arrow]

So, I did all dungeons on +10 and I see this on my WCL page

That can't be right? Right?

[dim basalt]

Barely anyone plays arms in M+

[pearl nymph]

blizzard dont care about arms atm no good changes sadly

[sharp wyvern]

Why play collosus when thane does everything better ?

Let's hope for colossus ST buffs

[astral talon]

CS instant 10 stacks

would be absolutely massive

[thorn pelican]

i prefered when slam had a cast time and you couldnt move

so uhh

colossus all the way

[faint sparrow]

What is your vers %? I feel like a glass cannon in comparison to other classes... got 9% verse is that why?

[thorn pelican]

not high i have like 3k vers

idk what % that is cuz not logged in but i havent felt that squishy

[arctic iris]

Arms survivability primarily comes from extremely aggressive use of spell reflection, impending victory, and defensive stance

[thorn pelican]

impending victory for any like overwhelming pulsing aoe can be a game changer

[arctic iris]

Make sure that you're learning the damage patterns of bosses and scary trash mobs and use spell reflection a lot

[thorn pelican]

ya spell reflect kinda gross, the weakaura that tells u when someones targeting u with a spell is kinda nuts

with the lil cast bar

[arctic iris]

Not just that, it's also 20% magic DR

And there's a lot of non-targeted stuff it can negate, like Splice (the huge AoE dot) on the last boss of city of threads

[thorn pelican]

ya tho its hard to want to use it on that when u can straight up reflect the web mechanic

guess u can probably storm it too?

but ive been ravager

[arctic iris]

I don't believe Storm prevents the initial damage

[thorn pelican]

ye prob not

[arctic iris]

But I haven't tested it

[thorn pelican]

been kinda learning how to do some higher level keys (like 10-11s nothing like absurd) and the key really ahs been getting used to using defensives properly

esp with a druid healer learning his shit

[arctic iris]

I tend to prefer reflecting Splice for three reasons

First, it does way more damage than the webs (as a DoT, but still)

Second, webs is followed by 15-20 seconds of no damage, so if you don't die, the healer has tons of time to heal you

Third, reflecting splice does damage to the boss, webs doesn't

The obvious exception is if webs are gonna one-shot you

But that only happens in super high keys where you should be playing fury anyways

And fury is more resistant to one-shots due to its higher health pool

[thorn pelican]

everyone in my group should probably be playing something else so its kinda w/e

but yeah that makes sense, only reason i was reflect webs is because we had a tendency to die to the orbs moving if the webs werent broken

[arctic iris]

Yeah, that's another thing where fury really shines because it annihilates webs in a way that arms doesn't

[thorn pelican]

mini ansurek

[arctic iris]

I really wish they'd re-examine arms aoe

[thorn pelican]

id rather they made fury fun