arms

[weak rain]

We should just spam forums lmao, what is this and why

[fathom hedge]

Do you guys like Ignore Pain or Fueled by violence.

I feel like raid calls for "defensives" more times than I have die by the sword and command shout up.

Which do you use?

[weak rain]

last week nerf was already stupid(opportunist one)

[devout pewter]

Yeah, was asking earlier if we're too silent about our general gameplay design (as DPS are relatively okay) and if we shouldn't just do like Shamans did earlier

[weak rain]

I feel like if they want to nerf slayer further, they need to AT LEAST compensate with something like 3-5% aura buff for arms

considering 1-2% nerf on st last week 4fun

(opportunist one)

[limpid lotus]

just coming back to arms - do we really hold MS during exe for 2 LB stacks?

[bronze ether]

Yeah spamming executes does more damage unless you line those buffs up

[limpid lotus]

roger ty

felt counterintuitive to my "send MS" brain

[finite mantle]

yeah they ruined arms

[bronze ether]

Getting lethal blows also allows more breathing room for your rage because if you literally just spammed execute during execute phase you'll eventually run out of rage

[limpid lotus]

ok ty makes sense

[bronze ether]

Just remove slam from gcd so I have a button to spam when MS is down and without it feeling like shit

Would also make it a good rage dump

Kind of like arms in cata where I can spam heroic strikes between my rotation whenever I have too much rage because it's not on a gcd

[limpid lotus]

i miss nyalotha corruption arms tbh

[zenith warren]

do you guys use nameplates hider wa on ovinax?

[dire hinge]

i've got a plater mod for it, but yeah

with the caveat that if you're one of the AoE specs who are helping with the parasites, you should consider not hiding them, so that you know if there's still adds up or not, obviously

[vale gorge]

So nerf war and 6% up on ret paladin on the patch. Are we living in a multiver ?

[mossy blaze]

i think about quittin war dps

for next patch

if we keep having those tuning

[stiff loom]

haste speeds up demolish channel correct?

[teal fossil]

yea

[stiff loom]

makes sense. 40% crit/haste is the dream....the unobtainable dream

[teal fossil]

40/40/10/10

[stiff loom]

yup. be nice if demolish just replaced slam. hate that ability

[teal fossil]

yeah agreed

i wish odyns fury replaced bloodthirst

[bronze ether]

Was told it's compensation buffs cause they got nerfs somewhere else

[weak rain]

I wish arms got compensation buffs for all the nerfs they did to slayer fury

[stray mango]

when i was talking about nefs ppl here thought that i was crazy.

then i got nerfed, again, again and again, now the nerfs are a problem or still just a "little reduction"?

[teal fossil]

its like 1.2% overall

[nova marsh]

Arms in F tier again boys

LETS GO

If they see us get nerfed

Will evreyone stop playing us so I can parse better?

[fresh spire]

arms was punished for fury's success

surely they will buff ms some day

surrrrrrrrrely

[livid cloak]

@manic stirrup was simming sks vs massacre, they sim within 2k of each other on st and dungeon slice for me, massacre 2k higher on ST, sks 2k higher on dungeon slice, but sks simming higher on 5t 2 mins

for my char, was interesting how close they are

[rare kite]

3%

[fresh spire]

better than 0

[manic stirrup]

might be minor stat differences

i think sks was like 0.1% higher on st for me

[rare kite]

it will happen at some point. idk why 3% but i can feel it

[fresh spire]

just buff it enough we can remove all this tier bonus checks

make EP valuable again for slayer

[livid cloak]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wwKYSuYqpf58zqqLi2HnK9

[manic stirrup]

but yeah id go massacre in your case

my internet is beans rn

[livid cloak]

i'm just surprised how close they are

basically interchangeable

this is with 1 against many though, not arterial bleed, where i'm sure sks edges out

[fresh spire]

one thing is because the lack of the bleed amp cause the cleave one sks value is down, also less buttons on aoe is nice

Sks in colossus when your in aoe feels a lost cause

[manic stirrup]

oh you know i was simming with arterial bleed

[livid cloak]

agreed, it's tough to fit in

[manic stirrup]

thats why sks was higher

[fresh spire]

ive been wondering if using SOA and doing cleave>ms as prioity instead over op could be a thing

not had the time to really have some fun taking some weird talent setups for colossus yet

[livid cloak]

i can't imagine in aoe. i would think the buffed cleave from OP makes it stronger

than doing ms

but idk

[fresh spire]

not sure, i doubt it would win in higher target count

[livid cloak]

im gonna try some no MBG replacing with battlelord this week

weekend~

[fresh spire]

i like MBG personally in keys

[livid cloak]

i do too

i'v ebeen using it all season with colossus, but people in here keep hyping up battlelord as a replacement, so imma try it

[fresh spire]

when you get like 10/11 colat stacks then you go into the next boss drop rav wb and just crit like 3.5/4m with that cleave

its digusting fun

[manic stirrup]

mbg is fun with collateral warbreaker and ravager but numbers support battlelord instead

mbg definitely more fun value

[fresh spire]

battlelord as poop as ms might be the reset procs still give rage

for aoe*

[fickle raven]

is ascendance much better than other embelishments now?

[livid cloak]

i do sometimes struggle getting all 3 cleaves in with mbg

i usually do like clap, roar, ravager, ava/wb, then cleave

and sometimes i can't get that 3rd cleave in

[gaunt matrix]

Critique my warrior please let me know what I need to change. My SIM seems low.🩷 https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/bleeding-hollow/Abczug

[remote ledge]

He's bald

[gaunt matrix]

Lmao

[manic river]

What were the recommended embelishments on raid vs M+? I'm close to crafting a weapon. Also the specific 2handed weapon doesnt' matter isn't it?

[sacred zodiac]

as long as its 2h and str its fine

[paper gulch]

One embellishment or is armory bugged?

[rancid willow]

Does bladestorm just hit like a wet noodle or am I doing it wrong?

[arctic iris]

Bladestorm itself doesn't do a whole lot of damage, but it has a lot of secondary effects that are powerful.

You cast Mortal Strike repeatedly during Bladestorm, and it also stacks up Overwhelmed

[devout pewter]

On what spec? Slayer should hit quite hard, especially on three stacks. Colossus you just don't take Storm

[loud fjord]

Less mastery, more crit
edit: more haste

[nova marsh]

I mean colo can take storm

Slayer storm does just fine tbh

I genuinely think noone will accept BS's damage unless it gives you top evrey pack

[worldly kernel]

wish me luck, tank is out for the week and im OT on mythic prog

no arms parses sadge

[gaunt matrix]

I heard for m+ colossus it’s crit/mastery> haste,vers

[gaunt matrix]

It’s one atm waiting on reset to craft other

[manic stirrup]

crit haste colossus haste crit slayer

[rancid willow]

Arms Slayer

[rancid willow]

I dont expect "top"

but I expect better than what im getting when I pop Avatar, Mad Queen's and CS.

[gaunt matrix]

Ah, interesting I just figured since the top arms for EU was running crit/mastery last time I checked. I’ll have to check it out and test

[devout pewter]

yeah on that after the initial burst, you just use it on three stacks of the buff you get from sudden death executes iirc

[manic stirrup]

sim your gear

[rancid willow]

Immmentent Demise?

[devout pewter]

Sorry, I cannot remember the name of that buff from the top of my head 😦

But it's from the hero talents

[rancid willow]

So id wanna hold onto BS until 3 stacks?

[devout pewter]

You'll usually should have those three stacks before the cooldown is off

[rancid willow]

kk

[devout pewter]

I really cant remember a moment where I had to hold bladestorm for it.. at least not for very long

[nova marsh]

In what context

[karmic matrix]

maybe if enough of us cancel sub we can get these boneheaded arms aoe nerfs reverted sooner rather than later

[sonic lagoon]

kinda new to dps war, my arms and fury ST sims are very close. Is there a reason Arms i gapping fury for st on charts?

[balmy kindle]

Most fury warriors are teribad

Your average fury pug is not representative of the guys here

[sonic lagoon]

that explains it, I wasnt sure if it was that mixed with a "this class bad, no one plays class. looks worse than it is"

[daring heron]

fury's job is often to hold cds for adds

so boss damage will suffer as a result

[sonic lagoon]

I mainly play prot, but playing some dps in raids now and my gears probably slanted more towards arms and fury is like 50k behind it

[shadow ibex]

fury is playing aoe talents most fights since most have adds

[sonic lagoon]

yeah definitely felt that in the last raid

[shadow ibex]

its gonna be low on boss dmg aggregation

[zenith crystal]

We exist to make sure parasites don’t on Broodtwister. That is all.

[sonic lagoon]

I took my war to heroic queen yesterday and noticable difference in how long the web spawns but your right i was holdin stuff for it

[balmy kindle]

Yeap don't like fury bu swapped to it for brood guild prog

[zenith crystal]

Brood/Queen/Rash

The rest you can do arms and not care

[sonic lagoon]

rash gotta be split, arms is so good for the long execute

[zenith crystal]

Both are good on rash

[balmy kindle]

Rash is still kinda alright but I will be playing fury for queen H prog probably

Like adds need to die and fast

[zenith crystal]

Fury handling mechanics singlehandedly is why it’s being nerfed

[sonic lagoon]

I like both specs so i dont mind swapping per boss, i think the double 2h on fury is sick but arms keeps my attention easier lol

[zenith crystal]

If you can play arms well, stick with arms.

Fury is pretty brainless when it’s needed. You are there to Bladestorm bot. Boss damage isn’t hard to pick up, but the “needed” part is a macro lmao

[balmy kindle]

You still need to do rotation well as fury though, damage suffers otherwise

Like I was sweating on brood kill

[zenith crystal]

And if they can play arms, you can play fury, raging blow resets is the rotation

[sonic lagoon]

yeah part of the reason im playing it now, was maining outlaw in raid and prot in keys, pain in the ass to pug as a dps and not taking my war to raid didn;t make sense when im filling his vault and not my rogues lol

[balmy kindle]

Sad that prot is the way now to get in keys fast, but oh well

Always funny going in as Colo prot and larping as DPS at the expense of others

[zenith crystal]

I wish DPS war wasnt mid af in keys.

[sonic lagoon]

lol its been quite a while since it was possible lol but i like prot in keys it feels good

I never liked raid tanking either so im kinda forced into a good tank/dps hybrid class

[zenith crystal]

Ngl might try this in some low Keys to help some homies gear

[zenith crystal]

Why I played Druid for a hot minute

[balmy kindle]

Thane is better on higher keys but honestly idgaf since people are damn toxic to us as dps

[sonic lagoon]

I like bear, dont like balance, and ferals rough lol

[balmy kindle]

Just gonna play what I like at the expense of others

Only tryhard with guildies

[zenith crystal]

I’d do 5s/6s as colossus and be a problem for a healer

[zenith crystal]

Druid is just bad rn

And I hate it

[balmy kindle]

Payback for them discriminating brown class

It's funny how fast you get in groups as a tank

[zenith crystal]

I went from 700 io struggling to get in 6s as fury to 2150 io in a day when I swapped to prot

[balmy kindle]

Word. Couldn't get into 8s and 9s in spite of many 8 timed and 7 +2ed as arms at 618

Swapped to prot and omg 3 mins per inv to +8 +9, much so if oce is indicated

People are desperate for tanks

At one point I was tanking with a blue shield

[zenith crystal]

I got KSM and the tier piece and haven’t cared about keys since

[zenith crystal]

That checks out.

[balmy kindle]

Hey it's a 619 now surely I was not trying to scam my way

[zenith crystal]

I crafted mine and got a normal ansurek Axe from the casual clear for my guild

(I took it from a frost DK)

[balmy kindle]

That's based

[zenith crystal]

Bro was sneaking into raid at 575

We had a bunch of heroic geared toons smash normal for the people who aren’t sweats.

I forgot that fury has need prio on 1H

Got my 2k with 0 shame

[soft zinc]

just a quick question, slayer still ahead of colussus even after nerfs right?

[zenith crystal]

I’d assume so, just bc all Warrior off talents are a meme

Slayer is barely good

[balmy kindle]

In ST/ raid yes

[soft zinc]

thx

gonna learn arms after continous fury nerfs

[balmy kindle]

I swallowed my pride and played fury tho for brood prog

you be fine

[soft zinc]

fury for brood and queens probs?

idk if fury still good for rash

[balmy kindle]

Yes any fight where adds must die fury is good

Would probably take fury for rash if mythic

[zenith crystal]

Adds on heroic Rash aren’t real

They blow up instantly

[balmy kindle]

Yeah they just die before anything happens so fury is kind of wasted there

[zenith crystal]

Managed to blue parse it last night lmao

About it

Was green parsing bc 4-6 Ret Palis

And WoA is a cool spell

[balmy kindle]

DW as long as you are top in your group, parses are very dependent on your group's performance

Like my guild has 1-2 guys that practically lie down and collect loot ( but it's an ex mythic guild and they are nice so idc)

[zenith crystal]

I’m in top 5 pretty consistently on bosses. I’m chillin

I’m cool with people not pulling Firedup DPS if they are cool and know mechanics

[balmy kindle]

Lol 🤣 let's just say it took a damn long time for people to learn eggs on H brood

[zenith crystal]

We still ironing out some people who managed to hide in a 30 man raid, but it’s getting there. Starting Queen Saturday

[balmy kindle]

Heroic I guess ? Gl

[zenith crystal]

Heroic.

[bronze ether]

Just stick to fury if you're better at fury. There's hardly a difference between the two specs now that arms single target got hit twice.

And fury still smokes arms at the fights that really matter.

[zenith crystal]

AotC with the homies is peak

[balmy kindle]

Quite a big difference though on pure ST

Doesn't really matter if group is on farm, but prog maybe

[zenith crystal]

Probs doing mythic shenanigans from boredom bc we are better then we thought at first

[bronze ether]

No it ain't go sim single targets it's not big enough to swap

Unless you can 1:1 your skill and gear from fury to arms. It's the most negligible swap

On bosses that hardly matter for 'prog'

[balmy kindle]

Gear is probably the issue since arms likes crit and haste

[bronze ether]

Only good single target boss is kyveza but fury is better since you're way tankier

[zenith crystal]

Sikran is totally a boss

[bronze ether]

who's progging

On sikran

lol

[zenith crystal]

A boss of all bosses

[bronze ether]

You really gonna practice and swap for sikran?

[zenith crystal]

Bro I play fury anyways.

[balmy kindle]

I wouldn't , but I can play fury quite competently

[zenith crystal]

I’m almost at running MT on Sikran

I tried arms this season for like 5 minutes and hated it.

[frosty wharf]

can spell reflect stop you from getting sticky web on Ovinax?

[rustic canopy]

Hi guys, i have a question for the talents in raid multi target. And rotation. Can you give me some advice?

[balmy kindle]

For me it's opposite, when I play fury it's always despair when my cooldowns are down

When I have CDs I get to play the game( thankfully it's not that long )

[zenith crystal]

Colossus Smash being on that long of a CD feels like you’re allowed to watch someone else have fun every 30 secs. I don’t like it.

[zenith crystal]

It’s boring af, but I learned to play it better to prove a point. It’s just cast raging blow more.

[balmy kindle]

TBF arms majority of our ST dmg comes from marked executes

Dmg can tank if your rng is poor

Or worse, boss parries your

Execute / ms / cs

[zenith crystal]

Most of my arms experience is legion….

So

[balmy kindle]

Ah the ding ding ding 5m ms

[zenith crystal]

The buttons felt like they were doing things. Instead of weird ST fury pressing bad rampage

[balmy kindle]

I disliked focused rage though outside of the really fat mortal strikes it gave

But it's probably better than current

[zenith crystal]

Probably. I’d much rather have prep for a big hit every 10 secs then this

Figuring out what to reroll for at this point.

[balmy kindle]

I am raising a WW in the meantime, they suck now but their primed for a rework

Also brew master very chill

[zenith crystal]

I almost raided as WW. I had it raid ready and pulled up on war instead

[balmy kindle]

Their ST kind of stinks at the moment in Sims but their actual performance isn't that poor

Tier set is donkey balls tho

[zenith crystal]

Eh. Most are

[balmy kindle]

The main draw for WW for me is still keys

[zenith crystal]

I’ve been messing around with a Dev Evoker. Before I realized M+ was impossible bc Aug exists

[soft zinc]

so not worth?

[zenith crystal]

What are you playing rn

[soft zinc]

thane fury for aoe / M+, slayer fury for ST

[zenith crystal]

Do you enjoy it?

If you do, just play fury and vibe.

[soft zinc]

thane fury is pretty fun but slayer is meh imo

[zenith crystal]

Agreed tbh

[soft zinc]

not pressing execute when i got a proc feels really weird...

[balmy kindle]

But you don't take SD on slayer fury so it's not that bad I think ? Usually when execute pops you have 3 marks

[zenith crystal]

You run SD on fury. Ashen Juggernaut/BS CD

[balmy kindle]

Oh lol then I fucked up running m+ on brood

[zenith crystal]

Smh lmao

[balmy kindle]

Because fury execute is like tickling most of the time

[zenith crystal]

Yep. But the buffs it gives are crazy

[balmy kindle]

3 marked enraged execute hitting 750k

On arms it's usually a 1.7m crit

At least

[zenith crystal]

None of the fury buttons feel good to press

And it’s upsetting

[soft zinc]

idk thunderblast feels pretty dang good

[zenith crystal]

• slayer fury

I’m almost at running thane in raid

[soft zinc]

if im pressing my rotation right, i never should have to refresh rend right on ST?

since MS refresh rend

[light dirge]

is there any preference on 2h crafted weps?

axe has highest top range?

[shadow ibex]

it does not matter at all

[balmy kindle]

Only in execute phase

Outside of that you still have to use rend ( pain I know )

[manic stirrup]

you do but majority of the time you just use it instead of slam

[balmy kindle]

Dumb question maybe, is using rend a DPS loss on st compared to slam

I really wanna get rid of that button

[manic stirrup]

yeah 70k damage every time

[balmy kindle]

Shit man that's quite alot considering crits

[worldly kernel]

bruh there is literally NOTHING to do on mythic as a tank

haven't gotten to brood yet though

born to MS forced to shield wall

[zenith crystal]

But shield wall gets thunder blast

[worldly kernel]

been playin collosus it OWNS

[balmy kindle]

Colo prot is nice

[formal badge]

I'm looking at logs and I don't know if i'm reading this right but one of the top arms warriors charges in, hits thunderclap and then charges back in?

This is on ulgraz

are we supposed to use both charges of charge during our opener?

[worldly kernel]

yeah colo prot is pretty big

[thorn pelican]

its probably because the boss is being dragged to the edge while hes doing the first charge

and then running out for a charge is faster than waddling to the boss

u can always check the replay on the log

[soft zinc]

how big of a difference is between arms ST and fury ST again?

[worldly kernel]

charge rend leap

[balmy kindle]

For raids do you feel better as Thane ? Ape brain in me thinks Thane is likely the more optimal choice, but Colo has bigger numbers

I like more damage

[manic stirrup]

thane colossus damage so close

[tribal kindle]

Is warbringer the tww alpha colossus hero talent thing? are they bring it back so we can have 2hand and a shield ?

[minor gust]

Warbringer is a pvp talent

but blizzard has confused Warbreaker for Warbringer

[vale gorge]

Is this an avril fools joke ?

[thick kelp]

Its there to give us the halloween scare

Dont worry Enha will be even more broken than ret

[vale gorge]

Enh have more than 3 button to dps and is not invincible

[thick kelp]

U think that

u have been brainwashed by enha players

[rare kite]

3% nerf

[vital summit]

From paladin Discord:

11.0.5 brings some changes to our talents that affect our damage:

Removed Talents
Seal of Order removed (losing 10% cooldown reduction to generators)
Seal of Alacrity removed (losing 4% Haste)
Seal of the Crusader damage removed (Holy damage dealt by autos)
Touch of Light removed

Buffs
6% damage buff to spells and abilities to compensate for the removed effects
Vengeful Wrath maximum effect now 60% instead of 50%

Most other effects removed have had their bonuses added to baseline abilities, e.g. Justification. Overall this is a small nerf to our damage, at about -3%.

[vale gorge]

There is nothing to compensate imo. There are above everything, they have a 30 sec cd burst and have more tool than every melee to survive ( + blessing, hand, etc)

But well, this is an Arm chan so i'll stop here about the GM's favorite spec. Have ª nice day

[broken arrow]

Well as far as I can tell, complaining about Ret being better is an Arms warriors favourite pastime

[vale gorge]

Whos better than ret anyway

[broken arrow]

Speaking of, I feel awfully silly when my Ret friend does equal or more boss damage in M+ with his "AoE" spec when I'm Juggernaut Slayer

[flat willow]

Thats because having to sacrifice all your single target damage to be allowed to aoe is a strictly warrior class fantasy

But yes arms warriors love complaining about rets because ret is arms but better

[thick kelp]

Never forgive them for taking 3 nodes from our tree and making sanctified plates for them

[vital summit]

Cleave should be baseline tbh

[sharp wyvern]

Delete whirlwind

Imagine if we would use cleave instead of slam

[vital summit]

or make a grand return of Heroic Strike and make it a toggle ability that consumes rage and turns your auto attacks yellow with increased damage

And you can throw cleave into same category

[simple grove]

Yes please

[tribal kindle]

Cleave should be baseline and SS should be passive

[crimson steppe]

^ and Make slam cost 40 rage so it actually resets OP and make SS work with Bladestorm Unhinged again

[broken arrow]

You fellas have some great ideas, my name is John Blizzard and I want to hire you as the new arms warrior lead designers!

[fresh spire]

Hello John blizzard

Why is brutal finish bugged for 3 months

[vital summit]

Multi-dollar company

[fresh spire]

Small indie*

[vital summit]

out of breast milk

[astral zephyr]

SS should be soft capped at 8 targets

[storm lark]

Did anyone try colossus on mythic broodtwister?

[plucky fern]

frost dk, ass rogue, any shaman?

none of those are not nerfed btw even some buffed

[thick kelp]

Invest in enha shaman

spec will skyrocket

Somehow spec goes from broken -> more broken

with rework

its so silly

[plucky fern]

yeah was thinking about that

because im done with a warrior if this patch goes through

we are already the least wanted spec everywhere and we get a NERF

its silly

[thick kelp]

Its so bad that even enha TC's are calling for blizzard to do something since the rework will literally push enha into god tier status

[balmy kindle]

Investing in WW for the eventual overbuff and compensation to shadow pan

[thick kelp]

Conduit is the play

it is uncapped if you cast it from range

so u send your clones in, run out of range and press counduit

silly mechanics

[balmy kindle]

Shit haven tried that, saw someone posted a SS earlier

[vernal briar]

Ok… which one of you guys hurt the devs? fess up

[vital summit]

Some warrior killed adds in raid before Ion could unload AoE unto them so now we're getting shafted

[balmy kindle]

Sorry I maybe bricked some blue guys keys as prot

[vernal briar]

This thread has turned into a FFA thread, I’ve seen people discuss ret, enh, fury monks and prot war. But very few talk about arms. Hang in there bois..

[daring heron]

frostdk is pretty good too dont forget

[vernal crypt]

Fdk fun

[vernal briar]

Any hopium?

[daring heron]

there's no hope

[vernal briar]

They’ve out zugzug’d us

[daring heron]

only strays

[vernal briar]

[thick kelp]

deadaf

[vernal crypt]

Literally 1 button mash in breath window

[slow saddle]

Obl?

[vernal crypt]

Yeah

[slow saddle]

Imagine if arms dps window was just spammin ms for juge number

[pulsar elk]

yoo anyone know where i can find a link to the raid parse rules? like the page that shows you what adds count towards your dmg parse and what adds dont

[sacred zodiac]

dont think that exists

currently only the rashanan adds and court spikes are excluded from logs

rashanan adds will be considered for logs again next reset

[pulsar elk]

ohh weird in every classic raid theyve put out a webpage that has each boss, guess there just arent enough exceptions this time around

yeah i heard that was true i was just hoping to confirm that, and was wondering about webs on queen

[sacred zodiac]

you can usually just click a log and it says above the damage done

heres reashanan

[pulsar elk]

oh right on and those are the only two that show anything there?

[sacred zodiac]

ye

[pulsar elk]

word ty

[sacred zodiac]

i mean you can join the wclogs discord i think they also post these changes

[pulsar elk]

yeahh i actually forgot i had that and just posted the same question well see if i get the confirmation but im sure youre correct

thatd be weird to add rash adds next week, im gonna not tell my raid and get a big parse xD

[sacred zodiac]

you should probably be speccing fury and blowing up adds anyways

[blazing holly]

telling arms warriors to spec fury

[pulsar elk]

yikes

ima stick with arms but u have fun down there on the damage that actually matters 😉

[sacred zodiac]

you don't know what you're talking about or how to understand a graph and how it can be influenced by what kind of data it gathers from and thats fine

[blazing holly]

arms warriors finding 1 graph where they average above average

[balmy kindle]

I like arms but you can't ignore adds

[pulsar elk]

lol whos ignoring adds ?

rash adds sure you bet your ass im ignoring them

unless my BS happens to time relatively close to it

[pulsar elk]

from this chart i can see that on average, arms players above a 95 parse are doing more damage than fury

[median scroll]

holy we are blasting

[balmy kindle]

My bad I saw It as boss damage

[pulsar elk]

so unless im able to swap to fury and parse higher than i can in arms

im for sure going to lose dps

[balmy kindle]

I only did fury for heroic brood

[pulsar elk]

yeah thats fair fury shines there for sure

[sacred zodiac]

only reason you'd parse lower as fury is cause theres more players

[pulsar elk]

parses aside, id be doing more dmg as arms is my point

[kind tide]

no you wouldnt

[sacred zodiac]

depends on the fight

[runic tundra]

I do arms on rashanan cause I like seeing executes

[balmy kindle]

I agree as well since most fury players are not good

[frigid cipher]

If the all bosses graph is what you use to determine what does more damage be sure to check it next week

[pulsar elk]

idk why u say that like u can see my gear lol

i have a 636 mainhand and a 619 offhand if i play fury, nty lol

[balmy kindle]

TBF 95th heroic parse is not that far off if going strictly by average

[pulsar elk]

really the point im making is arms performs well enough that suggesting rerolling to fury for anything except broodtwister is just silly

arms is more fun to play by farrrr too which is really the end of the story there tbh

[sacred zodiac]

recommending the literal optimal choice for a fight is not silly at all

[pulsar elk]

bruh if im parsing 99s as arms thats fuckin optimal

[sacred zodiac]

and since you didnt mention a difficulty i just assumed mythic, where every warrior shoudl be speccing fury to not wipe to the one thing you can wipe to on rashanan

[pulsar elk]

im not rerolling lmao

[frigid cipher]

the only boss you could struggle on in heroic is queen

[sacred zodiac]

play whatever you want on hc

[pulsar elk]

thank you for your approval to play what speci want spongie

[frigid cipher]

which fury blasts

[pulsar elk]

elitist weirdo

[sacred zodiac]

is your ego that fragile that you can't handle being told that something other than your favourite spec is optimal on a fight or whats going on

[pulsar elk]

lmao not at all just funny to me that your in the arms discord suggesting ppl respec xD

kindly fuck off

[torn rivet]

fury is shit
arms is shit
I'll play them both anyway

[woven wasp]

@zinc wolf

[sacred zodiac]

uh yeah i think its pretty reasonable that people that are in a class discord are willing to respec to the optimal choice for fights

this is a warrior discord not an arms one king

[pulsar elk]

arms channel

if u need me to me more specific

[balmy kindle]

Hmm we are in arms channel tho

[woven wasp]

youre being weird

[torn rivet]

arms channels means "yo, if u are lost here u can Usually find about arms but not 100% of the time"

[pulsar elk]

i dont go into the fury channel and talk about how theyre all stupid for palying fury on rash

[torn rivet]

a discussion is still a discussion

[kind tide]

it wouldnt really make sense to tell the fury channel to reroll fury tho

[torn rivet]

and subjects may change wildly and go rampant

[woven wasp]

yes its reasonable to say the other spec on your class is better for mythic raiding

[sacred zodiac]

i tell muppets in the fury channel to reroll arms for sikran and kyveza

[torn rivet]

Lmao go tell fury players to reroll outlaw rogue as it's fury warrior 2.0

[sacred zodiac]

you're in a place that is about teaching people how to be optimal but you don't expect to be told how to be optimal??

[pulsar elk]

im in a place to learn how to play arms optimally **

[balmy kindle]

I love arms but I will probably do prog as well as fury on queen heroic

It's just easier

[pulsar elk]

i play arms brotha

its the arms channel

[torn rivet]

who gives a shit about the channel name

by all means i can go talk about arms even in #protection

[sacred zodiac]

and you can read and ask questions about arms here but you will be told that its optimal to press n and click fury occasionally

you're a warrior first and arms second

[thick kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230008337517514772/1273720854383165601/dead-arms.gif

[pulsar elk]

not at all

im literally an arms warr

[sacred zodiac]

its fine to OTP but you gotta accept that you're trolling sometimes

[torn rivet]

saved

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267940564832354304/1286260904736067658/heart-locket.gif

[pulsar elk]

arms comes first

arms warrior

its literally the name

[vernal crypt]

Optimal arms rotation is rerolling to enh

[pulsar elk]

you probably just havent played colo m+ and experienced the thrill of pressing cleave

[woven wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-yoink-gif-26015429

[pulsar elk]

cant go back to fury after that

[torn rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/kesha-keshaeuw-nunu-nunu-player-sanest-gif-26597104

[pulsar elk]

exactly

[sacred zodiac]

you're right, i haven't

[tranquil rapids]

If your guild needs you to play optimally on rash you have bigger problems

[runic tundra]

That entire fight is who can cannibalise roots and add dmg

[sacred zodiac]

if your guild doesn't care about reclearing quickly do whatever tf you want

[tranquil rapids]

What are you saving literal seconds.?

If you’re not potting trash are you trolling?

[sacred zodiac]

fact is when the warcraftlogs change hit that adds weren't counted, many lower end guilds started wiping to rashanan like crazy

[pulsar elk]

spongies playing a totally different game than i am lmao

[torn rivet]

Lmao fr??

[sacred zodiac]

yeah

[tranquil rapids]

spongie doing speed reclears lmao

[runic tundra]

^

[vernal crypt]

Speccing out of cleave to get better boss parses

[torn rivet]

[pulsar elk]

but cleaves so fun

the woosh and the slap

[dim basalt]

tbf going mt on rash also feels like inting because they die so quickly

[sacred zodiac]

idk most higher wr guilds do optimize reclears so you get to the prog boss faster thats usually how it goes

[vernal crypt]

Not optimal for parses until they add it back

[runic tundra]

Every reclear is optimal clear till last boss is deadge tbh

[thick kelp]

I will not parse before farm

[balmy kindle]

Same

[tranquil rapids]

Thats incredibly niche tho, its pretty obvious anyone who chooses to play arms over fury on the fight doesn’t care to optimize to the max

[balmy kindle]

Parsing on prog kinda unethical

[sacred zodiac]

and thats totally fine

im not telling you you're banned from playing arms on rashanan

[torn rivet]

ppl do that?

[tranquil rapids]

Idk the term trolling seems kinda intense

[torn rivet]

i mean if a guild says "yo play arms for this fight pls" then u are in a bad place

[woven wasp]

then you get people throwing a fit in discord because they want to be told how to optimise, but not too much

[torn rivet]

bro 99.9% of the Warrior players can't fully minmax

yet they try and go mad that they can't

i play warrior too and I admit i'm not 100% GOD minmaxed

and i dont care.

[sacred zodiac]

some people need to be told what spec to play cause they can't manage that themselves shrug

[torn rivet]

nabs

they're all foooools

[clear rain]

how do u guys send ravager as colossus? do u just send it or w8 for some cds

[torn rivet]

i w8 for colossus smash, avatar, trinket

[pulsar elk]

that was the fastest rewrite of history ive seen in my life xD

[sacred zodiac]

elaborate

[pulsar elk]

this conversation started cuz i asked if there were parse rules for the raid

and out of nowhere ur like reroll fury

nobody asked what spec to play lol

[torn rivet]

here's my take:

If you like fury: play fury.
If you like arms: play arms

If you play fury for 1% better performance in only certain situations/encounters you have a problem and u gotta probably touch grass

[sacred zodiac]

i told you the optimal choice for rashanan is to play fury

[pulsar elk]

couldnt agreeee moreeee brother

[torn rivet]

but note: Optimal? Yes. Mandatory? no.

you gotta mention this so ppl don't go rampant

[pulsar elk]

didnt come here for advice on spec to play, came here to figure out which adds to care less about killing lol

[boreal quartz]

Optimal makes for optimal reclear

[tranquil rapids]

Idk I’ve seen the play fury or play arms response in this discord since legion lol its a very funny civil war every season

[thick kelp]

Fury could be mandatory for rashanan depending on your comp

[clear rain]

based take

[woven wasp]

if youre the only warrior on mythic rashanan you should play fury, simple as

[sacred zodiac]

idk i like seeing people self report about the lack of reading comprehension

[torn rivet]

hahahah

ur right

[spring rune]

No lol

[torn rivet]

it is pretty hilarious

[boreal quartz]

Any aoe boss if only 1 war is in they are required fury

[torn rivet]

nah

its optimal to be fury but not mandatory

[clear rain]

what about avatar do u always wait for another cd to combine @torn rivet

even if its a long cd

[woven wasp]

sorry for youre raid prog then when you dont have one guy soloing half the boss

[boreal quartz]

If you wanna kill rashanan easiest

[torn rivet]

I can kill it just as easiest by aligning bladestorm on adds

as arms

[thick kelp]

Fury can legit solo the adds on rashanan

[boreal quartz]

Doesnt compare in the slightest

[tranquil rapids]

Im just my guilds back up battle shout so if they need a fury warrior theyre gonna have to pug 😄

[boreal quartz]

Complete cope

[torn rivet]

cool

so?

i never killed Mythic rasha'nan anyway

so i dont have the right to talk about it

[boreal quartz]

@sacred zodiac

[tranquil rapids]

Idk i kinda smash the adds as havoc

[tacit crystal]

Why are spec otps so stupid

you cannot be serious

[sacred zodiac]

idk be like @north junco

[tacit crystal]

like actually

[torn rivet]

My avatar + treacherous transmitter trinket are always aligned. I only wait with ravager if my avatar comes in 20 seconds or less

it also depends I mean if you need the burst asap, screw aligning and just go

[clear rain]

ye just a feeling thing

i gotta learn the cds

[pulsar elk]

wait are u guys trolling about the rash fury thing?

[torn rivet]

mate are u actually insane

[woven wasp]

again if you could read properly that would be great

[tranquil rapids]

Lmao you guys are getting baited so hard

[tacit crystal]

you have to be trolling

like

[torn rivet]

Lmao im dead

[pulsar elk]

best arms warrior doing more damage than best fury warrior?

[torn rivet]

hahahah

[pulsar elk]

explain?

[woven wasp]

wcl does not show add damage

[torn rivet]

I am ded

[woven wasp]

gotta be bait at this point

[pulsar elk]

why all the sudden do we care about rash add dmg

[tacit crystal]

it has to be

[trim lintel]

missing critical information

[runic tundra]

Bruh

[sacred zodiac]

this conversation LITERALLY started with you asking which adds fights count for logs

[frigid cipher]

Next week logs count rashanan adds again. Fury is top by a mile on that fight

[runic tundra]

Lacking some intel

[tacit crystal]

some

[bronze wharf]

[tacit crystal]

all intel

[runic tundra]

[torn rivet]

man i am dying

hahah

[pulsar elk]

hahahahaha

[torn rivet]

ur very funny @pulsar elk

[tranquil rapids]

Also there are plenty of specs who can do furys job on rash, fury is the only spec who is entirely expected to do it because they’re the best at it. rash is also an incredibly easy boss so it shouldnt matter

[torn rivet]

now describe the graph.

[icy mulch]

Skyhold being a silly place this morning?

[tacit crystal]

a little

[runic tundra]

Skyhold engaging in a lil tomfoolery

[spring rune]

People woke up to pretend that his adds matter like they aren't going to get cleaved down instantly

[pulsar elk]

so basically you guys are saying pad dmg with add aoe on adds that dont matter, just because theyre getting added to the parse

starting to understand now

[woven wasp]

i cant

[torn rivet]

i have no idea what u just described

[runic tundra]

[torn rivet]

but i can tell its wrong

[sacred zodiac]

i feel like none of you raid mythic or care about reclearing cleanlky

[pulsar elk]

[tranquil rapids]

It also doesnt matter for every other spec because a majority of guilds have a fury warrior that is absolutely fucking them up

[pulsar elk]

overused af

[torn rivet]

haha he's going nuts

Lol

[tacit crystal]

I SWEar i killed it

[tranquil rapids]

Dont be dramatic

[tacit crystal]

hes right though

[runic tundra]

Tweaking just a bit bud

[torn rivet]

I have no guild to raid mythic with

[spring rune]

Must be a lot of guilds without enhancement shamans or dks

[pulsar elk]

oh my bad didnt realize this was the mythic arms warrior channel

[icy mulch]

I mean, fury add deletion is why we got nerfed. The cry baby mage and druids couldn't pad so they needed to crucify warrior.

[woven wasp]

if you remember earlier, you were told "it could not matter less what you play in HC"

[tranquil sundial]

dk is fine tho

[tacit crystal]

he cant read

you forgot

[woven wasp]

i forgor

[torn rivet]

it is?

i was thinking to reroll DK but idk if frost 2h works

[runic tundra]

You could play feral on hc and no one would care

[runic tundra]

It doesnt

[pulsar elk]

funny you guys dont even put your ign as your discord handle

[woven wasp]

and none of them do it better than fury

[pulsar elk]

hiding your parses

[icy mulch]

Can't read or pick up sarcasm.

[runic tundra]

Duel wield is just better

[torn rivet]

i see

[sacred zodiac]

Spongiewarr-TarrenMill

[tacit crystal]

how are any of our parses hidden

[tranquil sundial]

no its not fine, its OP

[torn rivet]

is it mechanically complex compared to fury/arms?

[spring rune]

Lol

[icy mulch]

Osaliske-Thrall

[runic tundra]

Not necessarily

[woven wasp]

Gregoronsen-silvermoon

[torn rivet]

so kinda at same level I assume

[tranquil rapids]

Much more strict on its windows

[pulsar elk]

2 ppl nice

[tranquil rapids]

But not that much more depth tbh

[tacit crystal]

Celicaxx-Illidan

[woven wasp]

you are just a clueless idiot man

[torn rivet]

ill ball it then, thx!

[pulsar elk]

idk why ur all replying to that lmao

[woven wasp]

shut up when you have no idea what youre talking about

[torn rivet]

best way is to try 😄

[pulsar elk]

especialyl when ur name isnt the same xD

[tranquil sundial]

why is every1 mad

[pulsar elk]

got the sweats sweating cuz i refuse to reroll fury

[balmy kindle]

I do 🤣

[runic tundra]

Bro said drop ign so I can roast your parses and invalidate your opinions

[sacred zodiac]

the reading comprehension check has been failed and it is funny to continue baiting

[runic tundra]

[torn rivet]

legit no one is sweating and ur clueless as fk

[woven wasp]

theres a guy that is either extremely clueless, or baiting incredibly well

[torn rivet]

u can't read a graph properly

[pulsar elk]

hahaha

[torn rivet]

and that irks ppl

[pulsar elk]

explain

[torn rivet]

like unironically u have to be trolling

okay.

You post graphs

where arms is > fury

but u misread the graph in 1st place

[pulsar elk]

how so

[tacit crystal]

BECAUSE THE ADDS ARE NOT INCLUDED

[torn rivet]

bcuz that graph doesn't count what fury does on rasha'nan: killing the adds

[pulsar elk]

because it doesnt show add dmg?

[tacit crystal]

YOU NEED TO BE IN PRISON

[torn rivet]

which is what fury does on that fight most of the time, yes.

[pulsar elk]

idk how thats misreading it lol thats just the parse rules

[torn rivet]

its like fury going afk mid-raid for a few seconds every nnow and then

that's how logs see it

[pulsar elk]

adds dont count for a reason

[torn rivet]

idiot

if no one kills the adds

[frigid cipher]

no theres no reason

[runic tundra]

That wasn't the case before they made that change

[torn rivet]

u wont parse shit cuz y'all dead

[frigid cipher]

wclogs just went dumb for a second

[torn rivet]

• they updated it now

[pulsar elk]

so why the fuck arent they included now huhuuuhhhh

[torn rivet]

bugs or accident

[woven wasp]

they will be next week

[torn rivet]

they are now

[frigid cipher]

they are next week

[runic tundra]

Because wc logs had a brain fart

[pulsar elk]

dude its been weeeks

[tacit crystal]

because wcl leadership has problems

[pulsar elk]

uhh ok

[torn rivet]

yea and not everyone has time to work smth for free

before i start using vulgarities

cease this stupidity

play what u want and enjoy it

[pulsar elk]

lmao

[torn rivet]

no one is forcing u to play fury on rasha'nan

[pulsar elk]

u are pathetic man

[torn rivet]

well ur american

so u lost from the start

[vernal crypt]

Hoooooly

[runic tundra]

Everyone told wc that it made no sense to take out adds

[pulsar elk]

hahahha

[dim basalt]

I see why the warrior discord has a bad reputation

[zinc wolf]

Why summon me child

[woven wasp]

for the archives

[torn rivet]

its just some can't read properly

[pulsar elk]

nice one lol

[icy mulch]

For the the lols.

[tranquil sundial]

true

[zinc wolf]

Was it because of @pulsar elk

[runic tundra]

Peak Friday morning content tbf

[woven wasp]

[zinc wolf]

Kek

[torn rivet]

AYO ITS FRIDAY

lets goooo

[dim basalt]

it do be like that

[runic tundra]

Reading comprehension is the number one problem affecting our youths today

[icy mulch]

I need to take the garbage out. Messypudding, come on in the bin.

[runic tundra]

[torn rivet]

it do be but imagine having zero understanding skills, disability to read and still being stubborn as a ram

[vernal crypt]

read?

[torn rivet]

peak combo to make chaos on internet

[pulsar elk]

lmao what the fuck are u guys even on about

[torn rivet]

on chairs bro

on chairs we are.

[pulsar elk]

that doesnt even make sense

[torn rivet]

according to how you are

[balmy kindle]

The current graphs don't count add damage

[torn rivet]

it doesn't need to

[icy mulch]

Nah I'm still in bed.

[boreal quartz]

Guys i will spec arms on broodtwister

[woven wasp]

real

will need proof

[pulsar elk]

no shit 10 people have said that 10 times

[torn rivet]

guys arms > fury on rasha adds

i have proof

[runic tundra]

Tbf this convo would have been a civil one if bro didn't start throwing unnecessary hands

[balmy kindle]

Which is not fair cause fury handles adds and very well

[boreal quartz]

Despair

[torn rivet]

^ Is what I would have said if I had proof

[runic tundra]

And could read

[pulsar elk]

the fuck are u even saying, i posted dmg without adds

[torn rivet]

?

unrelated

[pulsar elk]

arms does more dmg to boss

[torn rivet]

unrelated

am I not allowed to claim things without evidence and or wrong data?

damn man if only I knew that earlier.

[pulsar elk]

is english ur first language? that made no sense

[torn rivet]

3rd, yes.

[zinc wolf]

@woven wasp thank you for summoningnme . Good content

[vernal crypt]

It made perfect sense, what?

[torn rivet]

made no sense to you

cuz u have severe understanding issues

[pulsar elk]

okay lets take this apart

[torn rivet]

and its not even insulting, u need a doctor man

[dim basalt]

holy fuck

[pulsar elk]

am i not allowed to claim things without evidence or wrong data

[vernal crypt]

Where's that hoooooly image

[pulsar elk]

up to "or wrong data"

is where it stops making sense

[torn rivet]

wrong data being the graph u posted

[pulsar elk]

its just a pretty convoluted sentence to put out in an argument

[vernal crypt]

It was not

[torn rivet]

so, given this context:

• WC Logs only counted rasha'nan damage because of bugs/other reasons

Arms > Fury because FURY focuses adds.

this is why u used wrong data to compare the two

[zinc wolf]

I understand why spikes on silken court are excluded from logs. I dont get why raishan adds are excluded since they are essential to fight

[torn rivet]

arms focuses boss -> higher in the graph
fury focuses adds which were not counted (bug, fixed for next week) which puts it lower

[sacred zodiac]

i love the word bug being thrown in there as if it was a bug

[sharp wyvern]

Tbf a lot of fury logs are in full ST build now

[torn rivet]

im not sure how to describe it better honestly

[woven wasp]

because they wrongly deemed them not essential (they realised they are and are reverting it)

[pulsar elk]

eh im sure theres some fury players ignoring adds for the parse

lets be real

[vernal crypt]

I think you're all failing to grasp that he doesn't care about add damage, nor does he think it's important

[sharp wyvern]

Alot

[frigid cipher]

brain bug

[balmy kindle]

Prolly because heroic the fight is trivial

[torn rivet]

yes, the pugs

[pulsar elk]

okay so that data is still there

[torn rivet]

but there we are talking about the big 95 parsers

not idiot pugs

[pulsar elk]

and theyre doing less dmg

[sharp wyvern]

Mythic pugs are insane nowadays

[zinc wolf]

Oh cool. I got 99 on hc version completely ignoring adds yesterday though hahah

[sharp wyvern]

Getting to rashanan

[sharp wyvern]

Those are in ST build on rash

[torn rivet]

its innacurate bcuz its based on minority

[sacred zodiac]

yeah the average fury parse where most people focus on adds and a select few play ST talents vs arms, where you kind of have to just play ST boss damage i do wonder why arms will do more bossdamage here

[torn rivet]

its a minority of fury parsers that forget adds and just go ST on rasha'nan

[frigid cipher]

fury does in fact do less single target damage than arms

[vernal crypt]

Thank you lol

[torn rivet]

yoink, thank you

[frigid cipher]

thats not disputed

[pulsar elk]

i mean all the top parses are going to be the ppl ignoring adds

[torn rivet]

for now, yes

[pulsar elk]

at least until that hotfix

[torn rivet]

yes

so best course would be to wait until we get accurate data

[pulsar elk]

so the data youre comparing isnt too far off with arms

[sharp wyvern]

Wdym for now?

They not gonna put adds back into relevent dmg

[torn rivet]

it's far off => we can't make accurate assumptions

even slightly far off is enough. Arms could be perhaps just 1-2 spots above fury in single target or on rasha'nan

instead of like 10 places

and we would not know bcuz this actual data is flawed

[sacred zodiac]

eh not really

[torn rivet]

with adds accounted, overall fury > arms and you'll see it too

[sacred zodiac]

anda had a r1 playing aoe spec with add timers

[torn rivet]

not you spongie but every1 else

[sharp wyvern]

Was that on mythic when no fury player went full ST?

[sacred zodiac]

hes also insanely geared but it shows that most people are still playing aoe spec properly instead of going for lucky r1 parses with ST spec

[vernal crypt]

Guys just wait for the logs to be fixed and then spam the graph

[pulsar elk]

well i actually wont

[torn rivet]

and that's fine.

it is solely a discussion

and won't impact anything

[sharp wyvern]

You see it in details

[pulsar elk]

actually i wont

only warrior in my raid

[sharp wyvern]

Then you should see it i details

[sacred zodiac]

you also only raid hc so its totally fine shrug

[pulsar elk]

ill live in blissful ignorance at the top of my guild details

yepyep

[balmy kindle]

I mean most ppl only touch heroic

[sacred zodiac]

okay im sorry to hear that you're topping as arms

[torn rivet]

agreed. I also only touch heroic.

i can't be arsed going mythic raiding

[pulsar elk]

is the worst thing to happen to this discord

[torn rivet]

my end game content is M+ where warrior is pure shit

😄

[sacred zodiac]

[torn rivet]

hahahah

[sacred zodiac]

what do you think about

[balmy kindle]

Sigh takes out 🗡️ and 🛡️

[vernal crypt]

Oh so like raid 2.0 then?

[torn rivet]

nooo

[pulsar elk]

not prott thoooo

[torn rivet]

i dont like prot :((((

[sacred zodiac]

prot is totally fine rn

[torn rivet]

i mean i do but i got bored

[sacred zodiac]

plays like a dps spec

[balmy kindle]

I need my crests

[maiden notch]

Talking about Rashaan as st comparison is beyond stupid anyway.

Even if fury goes full st. U have to respect that 50% (sub35%) of the boss fight do favor arms more.

[pulsar elk]

tbh i absolutely hate having spear and ravager

even with cursor macros still annoying to me

[torn rivet]

play roar and bladestorm then

[sacred zodiac]

you dont have to play ravager afaik

[torn rivet]

u probably lose 0.1% or something

[pulsar elk]

talkin prot

[torn rivet]

ah

[sacred zodiac]

you can just drop the ravager point for the cheat death one

afaik idk

[tacit crystal]

nah

[torn rivet]

yup

[tacit crystal]

you griefing you go that spongie

[torn rivet]

ill reroll to DK blizzard just ruined our class

[pulsar elk]

yeahh i see that sometimes but i wouldnt wanna lose out on those big aoe situations, it generates a shitload of rage for IP spamming

[sacred zodiac]

idk i tanked my first key yday i am parroting what i heard

[tacit crystal]

[torn rivet]

ravager is good for prot, make it @player macro

but spear also cringes me

[balmy kindle]

Colo prot in keys

[sacred zodiac]

i also played heavy repercussions (training wheels holy moly)

[tacit crystal]

i meant it as despair

[pulsar elk]

ohh true i forgot u can @player it

[tacit crystal]

nah hr is broken

[pulsar elk]

i guess u could do that for spear too

[torn rivet]

i use it for gigant pulls tho. I spear mobs in a place and run 🤣

[pulsar elk]

but itd be awkward

[torn rivet]

it is and isn't

[balmy kindle]

Payback for ruining our class

[sacred zodiac]

u dont need it tho its just useless

i dont think you drop shield block uptime

[tacit crystal]

you do though

[pulsar elk]

i usually open with spear + ravager + avatar since theyre all 1.5m

[sacred zodiac]

dont be a noob then?

[torn rivet]

[tacit crystal]

you have to play somejank spec to not get whiteswung

[boreal quartz]

Tank damage doesnt matter just live the weekly

[sacred zodiac]

and dont terrorize the group by titanforging packs during 2nd boss dawn

[pulsar elk]

its not just dmg tho ravager gens crazy rage for IP

[balmy kindle]

No I will do damage to dunk on the DPS

[pulsar elk]

also feels good to do like 800k dps on a m+ boss haha

[boreal quartz]

Colossus POV

[balmy kindle]

Not my key not my problem

[pulsar elk]

ahah srsly

[pulsar elk]

i swapped out of collosus recently and really miss it

[sharp wyvern]

If you out dps them as a tank then you should leave

[icy mulch]

I don't mind ravager and spear as long as I'm using [@player] macros.

[torn rivet]

colossus is best feeling ngl

[pulsar elk]

but it felt like too many buttons and found i wasnt using demo as often as i needed to

[balmy kindle]

Ah I just try 8s and 9s for crests really

[torn rivet]

well just press it on 10 stacks

[balmy kindle]

Usually they leave because I am actively sabotaging

[pulsar elk]

yeah i might try that honestly, the cursor isnt bad but still end up missing it sometimes

[icy mulch]

Very rarely would I ever want to range spear stuff.

[torn rivet]

make a weakaura and when u have 10 stacks just make the icon as big as ur entire screen

and to get it out u have to press it in order to continue playing wow

🤣

[sharp wyvern]

Are you telling me you don't want your spear ending up on the roof?

[pulsar elk]

eh but when u compare that to Mountain thane and the snap aoe threat thunderblast generates, along with the % dmg reduction, its pretty hard to go back to demo

[torn rivet]

indeed...

but i just love demolish so much

[sacred zodiac]

are you playing top down or how are roof spears so common that its a problem

[sharp wyvern]

But demo is more fun

[torn rivet]

especially on arms, the sound

[icy mulch]

Fuck, sanguine depths was horrible for that.

[balmy kindle]

But muh revenge spam and demolish

[pulsar elk]

plus the synergy of demo shout with mountain thane is hella good

[torn rivet]

the ba-donk THUUUUUUUUNG

[pulsar elk]

ahah right !!

[sharp wyvern]

Grim rail ptsd

[sacred zodiac]

i think the last spear i full whiffed was like nymue and i threw it behind her cause i was actually fully afk

[runic tundra]

My real gripe with spear

[pulsar elk]

thats also something i found is i was using rage on revenge instead of IP too often

[balmy kindle]

I will not press defensives I will do damage 🛡️

[runic tundra]

Is why the fuck the circle is so small

[torn rivet]

u can macro IP and shield slam into 1 button

[runic tundra]

It lost the grip capabilities

[torn rivet]

100% uptime

[pulsar elk]

with MT u dont really focus on revenge as much

[sacred zodiac]

this is the warrior arms channel! not the prot channel

[pulsar elk]

oo intersting havent thought of that

[runic tundra]

So why is the circle the size of a large dominos pizza

[sharp wyvern]

Arms can have IP wdym

[sacred zodiac]

if you talent IP you deserve to be shot with IP up

[tacit crystal]

nope

[sacred zodiac]

(it will mitigate no damage)

[pulsar elk]

arms colo in m+ is actually peak tho if u havent tried and u play arms in raid i highly suggest

[runic tundra]

IP rahhhhh

[sharp wyvern]

Colossus with IP goes hard

[runic tundra]

What is a shit bind

[balmy kindle]

I think most of us here do

[pulsar elk]

hell yeah

[tacit crystal]

arms otp figuring out that arms play more than onespec

[pulsar elk]

those burst windows when u crit a sweeping strikes Demo with cds up and ravager down

[balmy kindle]

Got my 2k playing exclusively arms Colo

[pulsar elk]

hnnnunnhhhhgggg

[icy mulch]

Is there a weakaura to tracks stacks of demolish buff?

[runic tundra]

It goes without saying that the better hero talents are the non-slayer ones

Coincidentally being the weaker ones in st

[sharp wyvern]

Thane is still boring af

[runic tundra]

I love thaning

[sharp wyvern]

Colossus is the only good one

[runic tundra]

And will even more with AM

Unless u mean prot

Then idk

[torn rivet]

just count loudly irl

[pulsar elk]

yeah idk for some reason i went thane and havent gone back with prot, i tank 8-10s and thane just feels tankier and easier to manage threat

[sharp wyvern]

Blizz has an Integrated WA for demolish procs

It lights up when you reach full stacks

[pulsar elk]

when u have some 625 ret dropping wake .1 second into every trash pull

[balmy kindle]

You are not wrong Thane is better at those key ranges

But it's not fun

[icy mulch]

Would agree with Colossus being more fun, but Holy fuck is it triggering when the tank pulls mobs out of range of demolish. And it's not even moving them that far before out of range.

[pulsar elk]

that stuff gets sketchy

[pulsar elk]

fair fair

[balmy kindle]

If I am playing prot as an arms main you bet I am bitter

[torn rivet]

💢

[pulsar elk]

hahaha the worst

[runic tundra]

Just leap 5head

[pulsar elk]

ive gotten better with it now but first starting with demo in m+ i killed myself to numerous mechanics by pressing demo at a bad time xD

[runic tundra]

[balmy kindle]

I do not care if pug has his 8 key broke, me prot me will get in another dungeon

[pulsar elk]

also now have a cancelaura macro XD

[kind tide]

why is @pulsar elk talking about prot in the arms channel

[icy mulch]

[balmy kindle]

Colo has demolish

[torn rivet]

[pulsar elk]

why are u calling me out when were having a nice discussion

freak

[thick kelp]

You can leap whilst demolishing

Never die again

[tacit crystal]

[sharp wyvern]

No discussion about prot is nice

[pulsar elk]

yeahh i noticed that

[torn rivet]

yea fk prot players

[runic tundra]

Aww

[torn rivet]

[sacred zodiac]

hypocrite freak