Yea no SKS
#arms
tepid citrus
manic river
I'm guessing the exe talents help out
minor pier
guys im having bug where sudden death (prob with MFE proc) is causing my collosus smash to increase cd by around 2/3 secs
what the fuck?
gaunt matrix
So is arms better yet?
icy hawk
just turned in the Severed Strands quest, but buff shows 0% ? any have problem with that ?
south nebula
Guys which spec performs better in pve? I've been enjoying fury but I'm thinking of giving arms a chance for pve content
tacit crystal
both
lament topaz
I prefer arms over fury, as it feels smoother, but if you like to button mash fury is the go to
south nebula
I'm technically an arms main since i main pvp and that historically the go-to spec. But i feel like every season fury does better for pve, so for seasonal rewards i somehow always end up playing fury
wanton sierra
nice damn sean!! my king... but col boss dam is truly unfort
broken arrow
just turned in the Severed Strands quest, but buff shows 0% ? any have problem w...
same, could be a visual bug
teal fossil
hazy flower
guys im having bug where sudden death (prob with MFE proc) is causing my collosu...
What
tacit crystal
fury noober
livid cloak
that was a grim batol and let me tell you, the dragon boss with 2 warriosr and an aug was tough LOL
livid cloak
yeah, absolute mess
tacit crystal
livid cloak
we were like cross crossing leaps to kite and kill the other
tacit crystal
oh yeah
i think arms is better than fury in gb
pulls are too small
besides first pull
livid cloak
this tank did a few big ass pulls, it was nice
tacit crystal
i just need to mind control blizzard into placebo buffing warrior so i can play it instead of aug
tepid citrus
oh yeah
i think first pull is small. At least my group does the 3/dragon first and we pull the rest after that with lust.
livid cloak
this tank did the dragon with 3, then chained the dragon into the 3 patrol
then did the 3 packs with the 1man patrol with lust
it was nice
livid cloak
jugg is good in GB
tepid citrus
I honestly think pug tanks that try to mass pull off the rip without feeling out their groups first are usually re-queing up again more than completing keys lol
livid cloak
dude
for real
i was in a gb the other day that just pulled the first 2 packs and the dragon with lust, the tank was 606 ilvl and this was a 9 last week on fortified
and he just insta died
and left lol
tacit crystal
xd
livid cloak
he did
gaunt owl
i would do the same
livid cloak
LOL
tacit crystal
i think you should limit test dragon 1st pack and if someone dies to dragon you afk
gaunt owl
leaving by shame
tacit crystal
else you chain pull
tepid citrus
Yea I had a 12 threads and the DH tank pulled first two packs into the thread casters to the right above the stairs and died instantly and said "gg"
livid cloak
that is a ridiculous pull
tepid citrus
that's how my first 12 went
livid cloak
or maybe i'm just a baby but
that sounds awful
even combo'ing that with the roaming scarab is rough
orbs and kicks 
main iris
noob question guys is mad queens mandate affected by CS or anything we have?
tepid citrus
chefs kiss route on CoT is skipping everything around the statue.. Going right and grabbing engi buff for 1st boss. Clean up more trash upstairs after 2nd boss. Way safer with pugs faster
makes 1st boss pathing tight, but you can do it
wanton sierra
yuge
livid cloak
This build is super fun..until you're in execute range on a large hp boss
Then it feels yucky if you aren't getting tactician resets
But most of the time I am
wanton sierra
This build is super fun..until you're in execute range on a large hp boss
which build? sorry im workin all day hard to cach up
livid cloak
But on anything with adds or on trash it's very fun
tacit crystal
there is no way you ever play jug on dawn
holy fuck that would be a miserable last boss
wanton sierra
nice, no sks tho
dire hinge
guys im having bug where sudden death (prob with MFE proc) is causing my collosu...
is this increased cooldown shown on the actual Spellbook ability (ie: dragged on to your bars) or are you seeing this through a WeakAura
prisma heart
are we 20 red 10 green or 20 green 10 red prepull mercurial egg gamers
tacit crystal
what ritual did you just cast on us
arctic iris
noob question guys is mad queens mandate affected by CS or anything we have?
No. Generally speaking, damage procs and on-use damage effects from items don't scale with anything aside from crit (and maybe vers?)
There's occasional exceptions, but those exceptions are bugs and are usually fixed
tacit crystal
huge
tender ermine
In raid is it usually better for us to send pots on pull or is it worth saving them for execute range?
tacit crystal
depends on what you are trying to accomplish
tacit crystal
for brood it changes
tender ermine
Just for big damage numbers more than anything else
I was also wondering if someone could explain the lethal blows buff? What abilities will proc this buff?
minor pier
is this increased cooldown shown on the actual Spellbook ability (ie: dragged on...
ability
dire hinge
iiinteresting
livid cloak
I was also wondering if someone could explain the lethal blows buff? What abilit...
Its your 4p tier set
quartz cedar
Why is authority of the depths the best enchant? My sims have never recommendedthat enchant over radiant power
dire hinge
Why is authority of the depths the best enchant? My sims have never recommende...
likely some sort of gear diff. If you look at our theoretically best gear, radiant should be about 0.4% below Depths
strange perch
Passive trinkets > active trinkets
Trinkets that have a cast time are a crime against all warriors
Anyway it’s Wednesday my dudes
astral talon
How good or bad is sacbrood in m+?
lilac fossil
is arms much better than Fury atm for raids?
astral talon
Depends on a fight
nova marsh
How good or bad is sacbrood in m+?
It's the best passive trinket for all content
broken arrow
Just got Queens Mandate from the dungeon quest.
Looks like I'm going double on-use 
And I'm the type of player who likes double passive
nova marsh
Good fucking luck getting double passives this season
prisma heart
egg and transmitter prepull is like playing mario party minigame
astral talon
Not sure if I want mandate and skarkomak or skarmorak and sacbrood in m+
nova marsh
Not sure if I want mandate and skarkomak or skarmorak and sacbrood in m+
I'd go skarmol and sac
astral zephyr
I would like to thank this discord, I nearly doubled all my parses in this weeks heroic run 🫡
dire hinge
grats friend, keep up the good work 🎉
nova marsh
I would like to thank this discord, I nearly doubled all my parses in this weeks...
Amazing work dude, keep it up
echo bridge
I would like to thank this discord, I nearly doubled all my parses in this weeks...
what helped you crank it up a notch?
sacred zodiac
<@164800371057754112>
sup
astral zephyr
what helped you crank it up a notch?
Really being mindful of not overcapping or undercapping my MS in my execute window and also not waiting on spells to push (aka not having downtown)
I still make mistakes but I just try a keep fixing them as I go, like sometimes forgetting rend like a idiot but small steps
Next mission is to get more haste, because I have criminally low haste % on my warr 💀
keen magnet
any french war arm ?
modest salmon
any french war arm ?
Yep 👋
wintry scroll
any french war arm ?
why don’t you like english ones ?
keen magnet
why don’t you like english ones ?
it's easier to communicate in my own language but maybe you could help me too?
dire hinge
We’ll only know if you ask us the question you have 😅
clear isle
If y’all had a fresh warrior, right now, what crafted items would you go for?
dire hinge
Weapon w/ Ascension + a Doubler embellishment
Then probably fill in missing low items (jewelry for stats)
clear isle
Ok cause those 92k proc rings look so tempting
dire hinge
If they count towards an embellished slot they’re not worth it
dire hinge
Of course!
devout pewter
100k procs aren't THAT much when you have normal hits at around a million or so... But I'm no pro at this, it's just feelycraft 😄
clear isle
Yeah I was thinking that but I see a lot of arms using it. And I always think how once in a while, broken items come along, that just proc like crazy. I speculated that it might be one of those
keen magnet
im trying to figure if respec to arm only for single target is worth it with my fury build or if i need to look for items to make it viable
devout pewter
sim both your specs and you'll see how they fare against each other. With that amount of Mastery, fury should be pretty close. But arms can somewhat profit off a lot of mastery as well... to an extend
keen magnet
sim both your specs and you'll see how they fare against each other. With that a...
it's about 10k difference between both.. since im not used to arm i'll just sit to fury and wait for a buff i guess
shy dagger
Uhm, kiss of death and mark of khardros 619 are siming like a lot more that transmiter 626
devout pewter
Yeah that's not a lot. Might be worth just trying it anyway where it's not that important for 100% effectivity though, in case it's "needed" for you to switch anyway or you'll get better gear for arms in the future.
lyric viper
interesting that the leveling guide doesnt recommend second wind, always felt like thats a core talent
sick gazelle
do whatever u want for leveling
strong holly
can someone explain exactly why we are getting nerfed? we are the 2nd worst specc in m+ and in the mid on raid. just makes no sense for me
royal knoll
punishment for the first couple weeks.
terse plume
yep, cause now ret and frost do exactly what fury and arms do, just better and they arent getting axed in any major way lol
thorn pelican
fury did well when u had fights that fit their cd profile so gg
terse plume
and that fight dosent even count for raid anymore lol or one of them at least
vague nova
I don’t have shit for gear yet to have a decent sim to compare, how much do you lose in aoe as slayer vs colossus? I’m around 10% depending on the sim type, does that hold true at higher I levels?
manic stirrup
I don’t have shit for gear yet to have a decent sim to compare, how much do you ...
as juggernaut slayer you lose about 14% aoe
according to the most recent sim i did
vague nova
Alright thank you
vast hinge
i play d4 for a week and now i can't get into keys anymore
The problem is you play brown class
I’d rather take 2700 FDKs over 2800 warriors to 12 keys, they’re tankier, bring more useful utility and most of the time do more damage
jolly quartz
i would reroll to blue class but i absolutely cant be assed doing the gearing process again
so im playin ffxiv until next season 
balmy kindle
i play d4 for a week and now i can't get into keys anymore
I feel you puging is rough now, so I play DPS with guildies but I am on prot revenge in pugs 
Behold colossus prot in m+
edgy solstice
cba to tank
balmy kindle
Yeah but it's fun having tank privilege and watching people fume on your incompetence whilst not being able to do shite
At the 619 range tanks are in big demand
tender ermine
Last week I posted a log to get some help on and will post another from raid yesterday to see how else I can improve. Working on the advice was helpful but it also turned out that I had been using an int 2 hander for the last month and wondering why my dps was complete beans. Let this be a lesson for any new arms players - check that the sword you get is actually strength gerar......
balmy kindle
Big oof on that one
boreal quartz
Last week I posted a log to get some help on and will post another from raid yes...
Got it traded in a dungeon?
Or crafted beans
tender ermine
I think it must have been traded to me....
boreal quartz
Evil hpal
tender ermine
FOR REAL, THE AUDACITY TO DO ME SO DIRTY
boreal quartz
Fuck hpal
wary raft
Last week I posted a log to get some help on and will post another from raid yes...
LOL
that is quite silly, and unfortunate for you
glad its fixed now tho
vital summit
Reminds me how I was progressing Argus back in Legion as Prot with Cooking hat for 3 hours (breaking my 4 set bonus even)
tender ermine
Reminds me how I was progressing Argus back in Legion as Prot with Cooking hat f...
That is absolute chad behaviour
vital summit
perks of fucking around with toys and items before pull while Raid leader explains some irrelevant shit like tactics
flint shore
is 2h weapon priority to upgrade over everything else?
echo monolith
its not really worth it to hold demolish for SS, even if its just, lets say, 5 secs, right?
vital summit
only the first 2 hits benefit from SS cleave, last hit is AoE and doesn't cleave with SS
echo monolith
yes, i know that but that doesnt answer the question :>
fossil thistle
Does Demolish hit 2 with SS up?
fossil thistle
okok
clear rain
are there upcoming nerfs for arms in 11.0.5
balmy kindle
fresh spire
tacit crystal
edgy solstice
overwhelmed debuff cap 12 -> 10
clear rain
what about colossus?
edgy solstice
nada
balmy kindle
once we get 4pc, we'll catch back up
Alr working on alts why nerf a perfectly balanced spec
At this rate prot will do more dmg than the dps specs
strange perch
@latent moss hey man if ur colossus smash got parried during avatar in execute phase would you be upset? i am doing research for uni an answer is highly appreciated ty
latent moss
<@692035495718551564> hey man if ur colossus smash got parried during avatar in ...
no i am monk mental
it adds texture innit
strange perch
it adds texture innit
🐐 !!!
strange perch
😛
i wish they could make like a machine that tells you ur microplastic % in ur body
latent moss
100%
latent moss
I AM BECOME DEATH THE EATER OF MICROPLASTICS
astral zephyr
checked it, 5.7% for me
That’s quite a chonk of dmg
icy mulch
what about roar
Sorry for late reply. So all the slayer hero talent nerfs targeting Fury are also affecting Arms. Also, yeah the reduction on soft cap is hitting both. So things that are more so targeted at Fury are also hitting Arms.
thick hamlet
if i craft a 2h 636ilvl wep, then that's it, ya? this is my weapon for the rest of the expansion and i just recract its ass
radiant nymph
hi guys. these are my current stats. raidbots says I can't take anything from m+ to improve. Should i take raidbots into account? Or put as much crit/haste as possible on myself?
Each item from m+ is downgrade as raidbots says.
icy mulch
if i craft a 2h 636ilvl wep, then that's it, ya? this is my weapon for the rest ...
Pretty much, unless another legendary comes out.
But you could also go with raid mythic weapon. Easy to access if you raid.
Save ya some gold.
icy mulch
hi guys. these are my current stats. raidbots says I can't take anything from m+...
As in droptimizer?
radiant nymph
As in droptimizer?
yes, from m+ i don't have any upgrade that i can put on droptimizer. i will start raiding next week on mythic because i`m currently change from range dps to melee.
radiant nymph
But you could also go with raid mythic weapon. Easy to access if you raid.
i have already the claymore weapon 636 😄
this is the dps with my curent gear, should i be ok with this? or search for improvements? in mraid
icy mulch
i have already the claymore weapon 636 😄
That was a reply to another user.
As to your other question, you can always search for improvements.
thick hamlet
But you could also go with raid mythic weapon. Easy to access if you raid.
true, but it can never beat ascendance emb ya?
sharp wyvern
Attack DMG kinda high value + you can have embelishments on other slots
icy mulch
I mean, ascendancy is good but yeah. Other items can have embellishments.
sharp wyvern
Havnt checked BiS list in a while but iirc wrist and back are ebelishment slots
nova marsh
if i craft a 2h 636ilvl wep, then that's it, ya? this is my weapon for the rest ...
Myth track is a few ilvls higher
sharp wyvern
Obviously if you don't have access to myth raid and don't wanna roll the dice on vault just craft it .
We have more than enough sparks at this point
thick hamlet
i'm assuming even with the ilvl difference, ascendance is still better, but perhaps not using ascendance and instead geting another embelish+myth wep is still bis
icy mulch
Yeah. I made the claymore for my fury set. When I get a mythic weapon it will be for arms.
sharp wyvern
for arms weapon DMG is much more value than for fury
thick hamlet
what happens if i craft 636 wep then drop a myth weapon? is it rip?
material thrown in the void
thick hamlet
off hand fury wep 
sharp wyvern
But remember to sim it with another embellishment in a slot
Well BiS list says aszendence embel is 2nd bis
So unless you get perfect stat weapon in vault your fine
thick hamlet
im kinda skeptical of the bis list
it's based on patchwerk over a set period of time, which never happens
sacred zodiac
bis list is usually just ilvl ye
thick hamlet
when i sim with movement or different fight times especially, i get varying results
sacred zodiac
although crafting myth weapon is 100% the correct choice for every warrior at the start of the season
modest carbon
I gambled for vault weapon and crafted other stuff. I don't want ascendance in M+
I lost the gamble, still no weapon
sacred zodiac
even if you fished a weapon you need a mainhand for fury shrug
sacred zodiac
and statistically by the time you fish a myth wep you'd already have enough sparks to craft offpieces
sharp wyvern
Yeah higher ilvl is for sure gonna beat it since other embellishments do the same thing
modest carbon
At least next week I have 2 sparks, so will just craft a weapon without embelishment if still no vault weapon
sharp wyvern
and statistically by the time you fish a myth wep you'd already have enough spar...
But not runed crests
sacred zodiac
wdym
sacred zodiac
why would you spend gilded crests on crafted pieces lol
sharp wyvern
I always get them confused
sacred zodiac
you shouldve been capped on hc crests on the week where you got the 4th spark
sharp wyvern
why would you spend gilded crests on crafted pieces lol
Otherwise its not gonna be 636
modest carbon
I don't mythic raid, can't make use of 90 crests per week anyway
modest carbon
Burned out on raiding after sepulchar
livid cloak
Don't forget if you craft a 636, then get a myth track wpn in vault that you will only need to spend 15 crests to take that myth 1/6 wpn to 6/6
So you still get value from crafting the weapon, it saves you on upgrades
sharp wyvern
But then you spend 105 crests total
modest carbon
No
sharp wyvern
Instead of 90
modest carbon
1 to 6 is 75
sharp wyvern
OK so 90 instead of 75
modest carbon
So if you don't mythic raid, you have an extra 15 per week you cant use, or can use for crafting
thick hamlet
So you still get value from crafting the weapon, it saves you on upgrades
i like your style friend
sharp wyvern
You wasted 15 regardless
thick hamlet
i thin u just convinced me to make it now
modest carbon
It's not wasted, you ltierally can't use them on anything else
If you don't mythic raid
sharp wyvern
OK true
sacred zodiac
ofc you can
livid cloak
I don't mythic raid and I'm almost out of stuff to upgrade with myth crests anywah
sacred zodiac
unless you max upgraded hc track fully already
livid cloak
Like
sharp wyvern
So you also don't get myth track from vault ?
sacred zodiac
which i dont think is possible if you looted myth track m+ vaults
modest carbon
Well yes, but that's also a one time thing. 1-2 mythic will be free later down the line
livid cloak
You definitely aren't wasting crests to craft a 636 weapon
The WORST case is you replace it 1 week later and "lose" 15 crests
That's worst case
sacred zodiac
not crafting wep is hard trolling kings
livid cloak
Yeah
sharp wyvern
Just pug first myth boss
livid cloak
No ty
sacred zodiac
Just pug first myth boss
ok then you crafted your fury offhand 👍
icy mulch
Roll vs 4-5 other melee?
sacred zodiac
and if you get average luck you won't get that first boss 2h for a while
icy mulch
ok then you crafted your fury offhand 👍
Exactly.
sharp wyvern
ok then you crafted your fury offhand 👍
What if you pug it twice ?
thick hamlet
bros is it always best to go for different gem colors for the meta gem
sharp wyvern
Actually no one is gonna pug it twice
thick hamlet
i know the answer is sim it, but the sim is going into 192381293812398mill
sharp wyvern
The trauma would be to great
sacred zodiac
i dont actually know what the expected amount of kills is to get a specific item off of a boss
livid cloak
Idk man, just craft the weapon and be set
sacred zodiac
~10 unique pieces of loot on a boss and 4 pieces drop? and you usually compete with 3-4 other people
modest carbon
Gearing is so chill this expac, for real. Maybe it was in DF too, skipped that one
stiff fjord
What's the best way to get gilded crests, I've only got 20 and I've no idea where they came from
livid cloak
Hc silken court gives 15 also
wanton sierra
damn i might do it
vague nova
I’m seeing a decent amount of people run slayer in keys but with no sudden death, what’s up with that? Won’t you drop jug stacks pretty often that way?
tawdry quail
What's the best way to get gilded crests, I've only got 20 and I've no idea wher...
Spam 8s
Keys
wanton sierra
8 reward gilded?
wanton sierra
damn i thought it was only 9s ahead
loud scaffold
does anyone know in raids if there is a way to see if ppl are locked?
livid cloak
They changed it last week
loud scaffold
cous there is a bastard staying in raid
tranquil sundial
I’m seeing a decent amount of people run slayer in keys but with no sudden death...
its the build from the top chiner arms warrior
also no EP
vague nova
How does slayer keep up if you take away the execute talents lol
astral talon
procs from slayer tree
tacit crystal
you get sd from 2 places
so it doesnt matter
@astral talon how much damage do you usually do on mists 1st boss
radiant nymph
need help with rotation/tips for mythic raid. who can help me i can pay for coaching.
astral talon
<@291636646225379328> how much damage do you usually do on mists 1st boss
Last time I did exactly 2mil on +10
tacit crystal
hmmm
astral talon
And on st bosses I do around 800-900k iirc
If its a faster boss and I start with cds then million
tacit crystal
i did a 12 this week
and i felt like i was doing 0 damage
let me see how i do this time
astral talon
Gl
vague nova
EP really only gives 1.5% ST in sims over merciless bone grinder wtf that talent reads like it goes so hard
vagrant quartz
Hey guys. I'm sure this has been asked before but is it better to use Mortal Strike every time it comes off cd or would it be better to use it with 2 stacks of the overpower buff
fresh spire
In slayer if you have 2 charges or if your following opportunist rules send when buff up or 2 charges as its worth
In colossus ms has highest prio
Only time that prio changes is when your low rage you weave op
vagrant quartz
OK so basically try to get max stacks on MS before you pop it, even if it means leaving it off cd for a few seconds?
For slayer anyways
fresh spire
In slayer. Press overpower if the buff opportunist is up if you as using the weakaura.
If opportunist isn't up press ms
You never care about martial prowess buff
sacred zodiac
opportunist OP hits very hard
vague nova
Does all cd damage increases and overpower damage buffs increase dreadnaught as well?
vagrant quartz
So keeping ms on cooldown and using op at 2 charges or opportunist is the way to go
livid cloak
Last time I did exactly 2mil on +10
Slayer or colossus?
I'm usually like 2.2 to 2.4 on that as colossus if I just hold everything for ingra, but then my dam on the other guy is pretty bad lol
fresh spire
If you can't be bothered installing weakauras to track opportunist. You can use op2 when ever it's up for a 500-1k dps loss but mostly get the same goal
livid cloak
But big demolishes go hard on that figbt
vagrant quartz
If you can't be bothered installing weakauras to track opportunist. You can use ...
I need to reconfigure my WAs anyways
astral talon
Slayer or colossus?
Colo
vagrant quartz
I've been dropping juggernaut a lot and it's really bugging me
It's hard not to insta press execute whenever I get sudden death
vague nova
I love everything about the slayer/jugg playstyle in m+ except keeping the fucking stacks up. 😂 bosses is whatever but on packs I always forgot to snipe them or stagger
gaunt matrix
anyone have this mythic + build for arms
vagrant quartz
So that I don't waste sudden death procs
livid cloak
Jugg is really reliant on your tank chaining pulls
And your healer not going oom so that they can chain
I hate jugg in pugs, but I do love the playstyle when it works
tacit crystal
Last time I did exactly 2mil on +10
as jug
on boss
i was 1.5 overall until i fell off a cliff literally in mists
livid cloak
astral talon
I don't play exe talents at all lol
tacit crystal
what page do you play
ornate eagle
Damn that tank kinda afk
astral talon
Left side
ornate eagle
astral talon
Battlelord my beloved haha
livid cloak
Idk how you tanks are doing 1 mil
tacit crystal
this is my colo page
livid cloak
Like I can barely break 800k overall when I prot
astral talon
Full bomba
ornate eagle
By pressing your buttons
uneven yacht
can you see in sims how much of your damage comes from execute window
ornate eagle
Same way as you as dps
tacit crystal
this was overall
livid cloak
But I'm slapping shield slam and tclap
ornate eagle
Depends on hero talent, but if you got more questions we can move to #protection
balmy cradle
is colossus the meta?
uneven yacht
Fury is meta for warr
well they both do different things....
livid cloak
I think colossus is better for keys
ornate eagle
they are coming
Good
balmy cradle
I think colossus is better for keys
I just hate playing colossus in st
it feels so ass but idk maybe it's me
ornate eagle
Colossus is just more fun than slayer and has better dmg profile
vague nova
I don’t like the channel whatsoever and why I’m trying to avoid playing it
It took the tank moving one time and getting it cancelled for me to delete the talent page
empty sluice
I don’t like the channel whatsoever and why I’m trying to avoid playing it
Just play slayer, difference is minimum
livid cloak
Man, hitting like 8 targets for 3 to 4 mill a pop though
slow saddle
Col just desp needs st dmg
livid cloak
You can get st dam as colossus. Full st Sims for me have colossus BARELY behind slayer
gaunt matrix
Colossus build for M+ (thumbs up or down)
livid cloak
But, you can just really excel for big aoe colossus dam
thick kelp
mbg to deft and sks to blord
ornate eagle
Move mbg into battle lord
thick kelp
crit think to bb
livid cloak
Swap arterial bleed for one against many, drop critical thinking
thick kelp
1v5>bleed
ornate eagle
Also not sure about warbreaker
livid cloak
If you take mbg, you want warbreaker imo
ornate eagle
Yeah but mbg
livid cloak
That's my preference to take both of those
livid cloak
How much st do you want?
slow saddle
And st is allready bad
livid cloak
1 mil? That seems fine to me
slow saddle
😅
ornate eagle
As much as you can while doing decent aoe
Prio/St dmg is what times keys, not aoe whoring
tacit crystal
i feel like the page i linked is as much prio as colo can get no?
livid cloak
You can get 1 mil sim ST with mbg and warbreaker
And warbreaker gives the 20 percent haste quite a bit
I feel like it's minimal change, battle lord doesn't move my Sims much
Bc ms is ass
ornate eagle
Bl is more a QoL talent
slow saddle
Ms needs a buff so bad
ornate eagle
Than a "Sims really well" talent
ornate eagle
You can't get BL without 2/2 deft
livid cloak
Oh that's true
ornate eagle
ornate eagle
In m+ you do
thick kelp
Colossus also doesnt enjoy haste
latent moss
colossus not playing exhil blows and blord is cinema
thick kelp
as much as slayer
latent moss
Colossus also doesnt enjoy haste
based
livid cloak
I may try no mbg and go into bl, I tried i once and don't remember liking it
latent moss
fuck haste
thick kelp
crit mastery hero talent btw
thick kelp
Are u gonna say something mean cope
latent moss
Are u gonna say something mean cope
dont forget what they took from us
gaunt matrix
latent moss
7 mil mortal strikes
thick kelp
Yep
latent moss
i like that
need it for rage gen cdr and more crits in general ig
ans then slayer for me is
haste>>>>>all
slow saddle
10000%
latent moss
still dont like it idk
slow saddle
Its made for fury
modest carbon
Do love the CDR with sweeping and some crits
thick kelp
yeah the difference is lightyears different compared to slury
BS should atleast be fury bs speed
slow saddle
And collosus is just weak sadly
latent moss
how tf is slarms supposed to compete with colossus in aoe
uneven yacht
slayer as arms feels good, i can go grab a drink or go to the bathroom mid fight if i want after i press bladestorm
it's very convienent
gaunt matrix
Is Colossus more crit > haste?
latent moss
yes
thick kelp
colossus is crit mastery
latent moss
colossus is crit mastery
thick kelp
then haste versa
gaunt matrix
thx!
thick kelp
If u have sikran neck thats basically all the haste u need ome
latent moss
demolish is annoying but
gaunt matrix
what are the sigils the vers ones?
latent moss
hoooly the damage is crazy
livid cloak
I don't think demolish is that annoying
gaunt matrix
yeah mb
tardy hare
All warrior specs are doomed in m+ once they target cap roar and odyns at 5
modest carbon
Wish it hit harder, I tend to have higher highs on Cleave than on demolish
livid cloak
Being able to leap while using it make it pretty safe
latent moss
I don't think demolish is that annoying
its not that annoying but its pretty annoying
thick kelp
All warrior specs are doomed in m+ once they target cap roar and odyns at 5
only initial hit
latent moss
Wish it hit harder, I tend to have higher highs on Cleave than on demolish
collateral damage
latent moss
only initial hit
delete this
thick kelp
pepelaf
latent moss
thick kelp
horror situation if they cap the dot too
latent moss
100%
livid cloak
Is it hard or soft cap at 5?
modest carbon
collateral damage
Yes, I wish Demolish hit harder than CD.
thick kelp
warbringer getting capped too 
latent moss
warbringer getting capped too <:sadgers:1022526082278248631>
nooooo
livid cloak
Rip warbringer
thick kelp
Best situation here is that if they typo the fix ingame too it will not even be a real thing xdd
azure sable
livid cloak
Nobody knows
thick kelp
they have typod warbreaker twice since DF to warbringer, both are also the only times this ability has been mentioned
sacred zodiac
Best situation here is that if they typo the fix ingame too it will not even be ...
warbringer will be nerfed
thick kelp
they havnt written it correctly a single time
modest carbon
Does infinite DPS in the 0,1s window after you press it. Who knows
latent moss
fury rework inc
thick kelp
warbringer will be nerfed
pvp players in shambles
sacred zodiac
pvp players in shambles
latent moss
need this sticker NOW
sacred zodiac
@halcyon breach
tacit crystal
@halcyon breach
ive been playing colo with haste mastery rings
🙂
slightly grief
halcyon breach
I'm very sorry to hear that
I've played colossus on like 10 pulls of Court
Then never again
astral talon
i played colossus
Weak
Play it always
Collosus gives you 5% size
Applies irl too
thick kelp
i played colossus
thick hamlet
never again
weak
bronze wharf
i wish i could know how crit/mastery collossus feels like
daring heron
Collosus gives you 5% size
5% of 0 is still 0
astral talon
You need to hit the weights man then come on
shy dagger
idk, im bad with slayer on keys i do a lot more as colosus
slow saddle
5% of 0 is still 0
Ngl imm never forget that video of u in beta on col🤣
shadow ibex
Man I can't wait for the arms warrior 11.0.5 changes
shy dagger
feature for next expansion
quaint bloom
Battlelord colossus meta when? Fuck skullsplitter
livid cloak
You can drop sks and take battlelord
I don't run sks right now.
I wish they would just bake in critical thinking to execute
latent moss
Battlelord colossus meta when? Fuck skullsplitter
in m+ u play it
untold pewter
If you enjoy pain yes
manic stirrup
You can drop sks and take battlelord
should drop massacre for sks
better all around
latent moss
If you enjoy pain yes
wdym
livid cloak
better all around
Except for sims
I think anyway
I ran so many Sims on diff talents like a week ago and I think massacre simmed higher than sks across the board
I'm off tmrw and gonna run some more talents Sims then to check out some more builds
thick hamlet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oE79pZwbEKV6pnG85sS1Sr
any general improvements, or like blatant mistakes here?
manic stirrup
I ran so many Sims on diff talents like a week ago and I think massacre simmed h...
mine was the opposite
tepid citrus
Battlelord colossus meta when? Fuck skullsplitter
I dropped SKS weeks ago.
wanton sierra
hey arent supposed to colossus be bigger ?
my friend pally has the exact same high as me
we both are dwarfs xD
tepid citrus
It's the motion in the ocean that counts
dire hinge
5% larger of 1 meter ain’t much
quasi torrent
gaunt owl
inches are fake
olive nest
My inches are real Mr Paw!
gaunt owl
simple grove
just got this from the weekly cache, is it pog or just bleh?
gaunt owl
Pog
gaunt owl
could depend what you have
simple grove
ahh ok
gaunt owl
link sims when in doubt
hazy flower
halcyon breach
🤏
hazy flower
I have enough mythic items to upgrade that I dont need to get anything till we finish progress and I'll still be spending my weekly crest cap
finite mantle
🤏
gaunt owl
🤏🏻
gaunt owl
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gUXUyrFYufo3BsPNvdkbSj
so yeah you are using AOE talent for those sims
its not gonna help
simple grove
so yeah you are using AOE talent for those sims
ahh I see I see
gaunt owl
for simc version you need to use Latest too instead of Weekly
simple grove
I understand thank you
gaunt owl
I understand thank you
your talent for AOE have some less optimal talent in them too
i saw Test of Might instead of ITFK
dusky forge
Anyone have the No SKS colossus build?
tacit crystal
just drop sks for massacre
dusky forge
ty
dreamy spire
WIll Colossus be better with 11.0.5? Or still a bit behind slayer? (singletarget)
livid cloak
Yeah one of those
shadow ibex
Colossus isn't getting any huge st buff and is like 6% behind
livid cloak
Its just the overwhelmed stacks right?
shadow ibex
Idk why people think it's suddenly gonna have ST
Slayer is just getting worse
Colossus st still gonna be shit
So sure the gap is shrinking but not in the good direction
gaunt owl
pretty sure @fresh spire ran the numbers already
shadow ibex
We really need an ST buff but DK and ret are only plates allowed to be mega good
steep geode
Is there too big difference between retail arms and classic arms, I am new player I decided to play on classic to see original version of the game is there going to be any different mechanics in retail?
fresh spire
is a few gains in APL for SKS rage usage
compared to normal raidbots but it was like 2/3k
livid cloak
2 percent
rare kite
Is there too big difference between retail arms and classic arms, I am new playe...
ofcourse there's gonna be a big difference. "too big" only depends on you
steep geode
ofcourse there's gonna be a big difference. "too big" only depends on you
So far I am still exploring it, do you have any suggestions for new player as a warrior?
rare kite
ye, check out the wowhead guide. good guide
steep geode
is restedxp better guide or WoWhead?
rare kite
I have no clue what restedxp is
trim hollow
restedxp is for questing, not how to play your class
like what route to do quests as you level up
oh sorry they have guides now i didnt see
it might be fine but just use wowhead :)
cause wowhead is definitely fine haha
steep geode
Thank you guys!
coarse ore
no but they couldnt be bothered to fix the obvious mistake of calling it Warbringer even after it was pointed out over a month ago
clear rain
so this is not a nerf or?
pine drum
finite wasp
Hey on brightside we get an increased radius for warbreaker🎉
they spell the ability right with the buff on top and then they misspell it on the bottom, they don't care.
tacit crystal
WARBRINGER
balmy kindle
idk what the point of this nerf is regardless, warbreaker doesnt -do- damage. it applies CS to all targets inside of the radius
thats literally its entire point
balmy kindle
oh yeah my bad the wonderful rune from season of discovery 😆
tacit crystal
WARBRINGER
WARBRINGER
WARBRINGER
WARBRINGER
WARBRINGER
WARBRINGERWARBRINGER
WARBRINGER
WARBRINGER
V
🙂
dreamy spire
WARBRINGER
talent already feels useless... i want the mop warbringer back... 3 sec stun on charge... what a time to be alive back then
royal escarp
hello guys in AOE rotation do you do
OP Cleave OP MS or
OP OP Cleave
fossil mantle
I hate this fukin shit, i am tired of being a 2nd class dps. I spit on this misrable company and everyone who is part of the balancing team. Stupid dogs.
gaunt owl
I hate this fukin shit, i am tired of being a 2nd class dps. I spit on this misr...
i never stopped dooming personally
a glorious tier for Fury prog was our downfall
finite wasp
I hate this fukin shit, i am tired of being a 2nd class dps. I spit on this misr...
yeah I saw this, and i think blizzard is smoking some hard shit rn
They're already doing more dps than us majority of the time in m+ and give them a aura buff wtf?
tepid citrus
tacit crystal
I hate this fukin shit, i am tired of being a 2nd class dps. I spit on this misr...
second class citizen
we are slum people in blizzards eyes
reroll
🐉
ill see you on my dragon
finite wasp
I hope they come down from whatever they're on and look at arms for once.
fossil mantle
nah, literally the balancing team are braindead. Like literally they so much info to work with and they peddle the same fukin specs every damn expansion.
Retri bring so much utility on top of all the dps. Bring back the hybrid tax or fuck off.
wanton sierra
this is a joke, arms is so forgotten that they even misspelled warbreaker xD
tacit crystal
YOU MEAN WARBRINGER
WARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGER
wanton sierra
yuge dam dam
astral talon
depleted like 10 necrotics lmao
this one we wiped twice on a pull and still timed lol
manic stirrup
I hate this fukin shit, i am tired of being a 2nd class dps. I spit on this misr...
they have more dhanges
you guys have no idea what youre talking about
read your class and your class only if you dont understand what youre talking about
weak rain
What overwhelmed is getting nerfed? Why are we getting nerfed again anyway xd
wanton sierra
i did an dawnbreaker 11 today, my damage was ass but the enchantment xammy obliteraded the key
tacit crystal
read your class and your class only if you dont understand what youre talking ab...
dont know how to read
🐉
wanton sierra
we got like 30 deaths and still timed... it was an elemental, giga blaster lightnin dam
finite wasp
ayyyy nw+10
Not neccesarily saying arms is gutter trash but the problem is that other specs like a good dk shaman ret will do more dps
crimson steppe
More nerfs what the fuck 🤯 they've had a month to change them
astral talon
Not neccesarily saying arms is gutter trash but the problem is that other specs ...
obviously
wanton sierra
man ele xammy is impossible to reach
astral talon
but doing almost the same as 631 frost dk
i'd same im satisfied with arms performance in keys
and burst is amazing on some bosses
finite wasp
Whats ur ilvl
astral talon
628
wanton sierra
622 xD
finite wasp
eh
astral talon
similar ilvl, not that far behind
fossil mantle
they have more dhanges
i think you have no idea what you are talking about. Even with the rework of their class tree, what exaclty make what I said false? If anything retri's are better off with the new class tree
fossil mantle
Not sure if that is even true but let's say it is. Oh yea and we when they gutted the capstone for avatar? we got compensated for that very heavily with another MS nerf.
I dont mind arms and its not bad in keys or pure ST but the fact is we get almost no changes even for problematic talents that have been dead for multiple patches in a row so need to sell me on how good we are. We are bang average and if you talk about a reason to bring a dps warr in a key, you will find none.
manic stirrup
i agree dps warrior isnt great in keys
devout pewter
It's all because we're soon getting a rework. Just be patient. They'll be ready in 12.5
manic stirrup
but being average isnt so awful lol
weak rain
nerfing arms again 4fun, why not
fossil mantle
Sure but at least show some willingess to change us. I feel like warrs are always in a freefall state and we end up where we end up with changes once an exp if even that.
The issues is if we are too strong blizz is always super quick to get the nerf bat out.
I vividly remember how strong fire and balance were in s1 of shadowlands and it literally took a whole season for them to nerf it. Fury? literally 2 weeks with nerf each reset.
weak rain
This will be straight up comical if they change nothing before the next reset
about warrior
devout pewter
Are we maybe way too silent about our problems with the class? Remember how Shamans FLOODED every forum and post possible to make it about them not having had a meaningful change or whatever?
I mean our dps is .. alright, but it just feels like there is no real design direction with the specc
latent moss
there is no design direction
its obvious
colossus is the prime example
the one thing people loved about it
was massive fucking mortal strikes
on beta
20% nerf
i mean if you feel like the spec is overperforming (which it wasnt)
change it in a way that doesnt kill the thing people liked
chrome comet
hi, can someone link me an arms m+ talent tree?
gaunt owl
change it in a way that doesnt kill the thing people liked
aura tuning ?
dire hinge
hi, can someone link me an arms m+ talent tree?
You can find a bunch of these in #dps-faq , including links to various sites for even more 👍
latent moss
aura tuning ? <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
surely
finite mantle
surely
tepid citrus
I love how they couldn't even be bothered to fix the typo lmaoooooooooo
tacit crystal
WARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGERWARBRINGER
that one?
half vine
Is BRD Heroic going to introduce any new BIS items?
stiff loom
how cooked am I at 12% haste? lol
grand idol
Thats quite low
stiff loom
your telling me. all my drop were either crit/mast or crit/verse but they were upgrades so had to take
sacred zodiac
12% haste is like character deletion level
(stats dont matter man just equip what sims higher)
gaunt owl
remove haste !
weak rain
test of might buffs when
vapid bay
test of might buffs when
please be quiet, let it silently die
swift dirge
Hey y’all! Little new here been playing warrior since wod, only been fury but with all of these nerfs to it I’m going full arms this xpac, are there any tips or like nice rotations for arms? Progging heroic queen and I feel like I’ve been doing less than I should!
livid cloak
Fury still is really good on heroic queen
swift dirge
If needed I can provide my gear and current stats too 🙂
livid cloak
Is your group killing root webs fast?
swift dirge
Yes roots die within moments
livid cloak
If so I'd just go full st build
And focus on queen and use bladestorm or roar when available for add phases
swift dirge
St?
livid cloak
Single target
swift dirge
Oh ok thought that was an ability or something lol
slow saddle
Ye
swift dirge
What like, stats would you recommend? I’m around 40% crit when I’m moving with my egg trinket rn
24% haste and 20% mastery
Is that too much crit or?
livid cloak
Sim yourself on raidbots
swift dirge
I do that and it says I should be doing around 1.130m but I’m really only doing like 800-900k
So I’m just like huh
livid cloak
Post a log in log review. Also you likely aren't hitting phase 3, so you aren't getting execute damage
swift dirge
Bet! And yeah we get to platforms and fall there so far sadly lol
Thanks for the help Sean 🙂
livid cloak
At what ilvl?
livid cloak
That's pretty low, yeah would definitely recommend posting something in log review
silent thunder
Sikran I run the demolish build and do 1m average there
most fights, slayer is better
livid cloak
Armory won't help
swift dirge
most fights, slayer is better
I only run demoslish for the silken court boss fight that’s it
silent thunder
colossus build only works if you have adds up multiple times where you can get demo back fast
livid cloak
I have a 900k at 610 ilvl and a 1.1ish mil at 619, so 800k is low. Means you're messing something up
silent thunder
^
silent thunder
even if you're not getting procs, you can still uphold good dmg
livid cloak
Idk I just hit the buttons, but without logs won't be able to help
silent thunder
heoric queen for myself, I run demolish, and I hold 1M dps until we phase her to the platforms
im 619 btw
swift dirge
I can post my previous raid night if that would help, don’t log it myself but have a link to it
I just feel like I slam a LOT
Constantly have my dots up and just slam for overpower and use mortal when I have 2 buffs
livid cloak
Well that's 1 issue
You should be hitting mortal strike on cd
Outside of execute phase
swift dirge
Even without the overpower buff?
swift dirge
Well that would solve a but wouldn’t it lol
slow saddle
When blizzard wakes up
swift dirge
A bit*
slow saddle
We are back to ms on cd
livid cloak
Other than big cooldowns like colossus smash or troar
But yes you should hit ms on cooldown until boss at 35 percent
slow saddle
Atm its shit gameplay in execute phase
silent thunder
I just feel like I slam a LOT
you should only slam when MS is on cd OP is on cd and no SD procs. and Rend is atleast 40% remaining
and yes I too slam a lot
its just how we have to play it now
livid cloak
Yeah slam is only used if you have nothing else to push
slow saddle
Ms bad battlelord bad, so we gotta slam it
silent thunder
yup
teal fossil
also slam isnt even that bad
its 75% of a MS and has some modifiers to it
so its like 80% of a ms
livid cloak
Its not its just our worst button
swift dirge
Damn ok ok
I put a log review as well in that channel 🙂 if anyone wants to look and give a noob help lol
At this point I think it’s just me not fully knowing the class
Have never touched arms except for now this xpac and I swapped to it 3 weeks ago 😅
swift dirge
And thank you all for being helpful this means a lot to me
Been a warrior since I started in wod hahaha
swift dirge
Went monk in legion onward till this xpac and im back
livid cloak
Right off the bat in your princess kill you don't colossus smash until 8 seconds into the fight
slow saddle
If i had time i would gear ret
livid cloak
Rend, roar, avatar with colossus smash, bladestorm, ms, sks
slow saddle
Charge - rend - roar- sks?
livid cloak
Unless you get sudden death procs or 3x marked for execution on boss
swift dirge
To make sure, sks is skullsmash yeah?
livid cloak
You can do it either way, but it will still align if used after bstorm
slow saddle
Ah u habe the cds
swift dirge
The make bleeds bleed faster
livid cloak
Skull splitter
swift dirge
Ok sweet making sure
swift dirge
If I have exe proc do I prio it over everything?
That’s what I’ve been trying to do at least
slow saddle
Nah
livid cloak
If I have exe proc do I prio it over everything?
If you have 3x marked for execution on the boss, yes execute is top prio
To reduce the cd of bladestkrm and make sure you don't lose mfe stacks
silent thunder
charge - rend - troar - avatar - cs - sks - bladestorm - then MS on CD, SD when avail, OP on cd.
combine this with what they are saying too
sonic lagoon
are we refreshing rend before sks at < a specific duration?
silent thunder
just dont let it drop
swift dirge
https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/arms-warrior-raid-guide
Noted and bookmarked 🙂
sonic lagoon
okay, i searched rend before sks and everything was from like last year lol
silent thunder
if you have nothing else to click, then click Rend instead of slam
if rend is about to drop
sonic lagoon
yeah it becomes prio
just wasnt sure if it had like 8 seconds if we refresh then sks
sick gazelle
If I have exe proc do I prio it over everything?
my understanding of using execute procs is it procs of autos? so you get ~2 gcds to use it before u auto again and lose the chance at another free execute. and then you use execute procs to fill gcds between MS
is this correct?
silent thunder
just wasnt sure if it had like 8 seconds if we refresh then sks
if you rend at 6s left it will go up to 27s which is the highest it can be
teal fossil
my understanding of using execute procs is it procs of autos? so you get ~2 gcds...
well its just random
and you also have 2 stacks
sick gazelle
ok so it is pretty low priority then?
at least i dont prioritize it high unless i have 3x marked
silent thunder
^
sonic lagoon
if you rend at 6s left it will go up to 27s which is the highest it can be
gotcha
silent thunder
keeping jugg up is important too
and you also dont want to waste any executes by not clicking them
sick gazelle
i dont think im wasting them because i find myself using slam often
thats not something im tracking atm though
swift dirge
Thanks for the help yall! I shall update after raid tonight on how things went 🙂
True warriors here 💪💪💪
dapper juniper
devout pewter
not anymore
bronze ether
Warriors getting weaker again. Meanwhile ret getting an aura buff? What lol
devout pewter
Feels kinda like the holy pally nerf they reverted because it was just stupid.. there's something weird going on with the balancing team lately. Maybe a switch up in people and not everyone is worked in yet?