arms

[nova marsh]

I wonna top DPS

[livid cloak]

Demo is fine in dawnbreaker

Don't forget you can leap during it if needed

[tacit crystal]

@livid cloak what page are you playing?

[livid cloak]

And it still casts

What

[tacit crystal]

just the wowhead page

talents

[livid cloak]

Uh I typically run sks 1/2 deft 2/2 bloodborne, massacre, and mbg

I'm at work so I don't have a link or anything

But I've been experimenting with stuff, no sks, adding bl, going 2/2 deft

[open mango]

is artiel bleed worth running over one against many now?

[livid cloak]

Etc

[tacit crystal]

ah

what about for the class tree

are you playing both tr

[livid cloak]

It can be, its a st increase. I've tried both. I feel like running arterial bleed you need 2/2 bloodborne and skull splitter and uproar

[tacit crystal]

or thunderous words warlords torment

[livid cloak]

Yeah I run both troar

I don't like warlord torment

I'm only 2618? I think so I'm not cranking like some people in here

[tacit crystal]

yeah im 2600 flat

ive also only been playing the jugg page

[livid cloak]

I just suck at jugg i think

I feel like it drops constantly and I can't link it between packs

I like the way it plays, it feels like st raid arms which I love

But idk

[halcyon valve]

any spiteful serenity enjoyers in chat?

[livid cloak]

Negative

[nova marsh]

no

Fuck spiteful

trash talent

delete it

[tacit crystal]

i also dont think i play it optimally but i think the goal is to leave a pack with a sd stack to keep jug

[livid cloak]

Yeah for sure I also think it's really depending on your tank and their pull cadence

[nova marsh]

Yeah you're trying to keep jugg up as much as possible

[livid cloak]

And your healer not going oom

[nova marsh]

But just accept it's not gonna happenm

[livid cloak]

Which i have 0 control over

[halcyon valve]

never thought id see the day, but rn for my character, using spiteful with 45 second roar and warbreaker sims as a 72k / 5% dps increase on dungeon slice sims

[tacit crystal]

xd

[nova marsh]

is that with ToM?

[halcyon valve]

in for the kill

[nova marsh]

🤔

[halcyon valve]

guessing its largely because you just gain haste for the entire duration of roar, adding that with the 3% bleed dmg per colossal might stack, bleeds go big

gonna fuck around and try it in a key

[nova marsh]

Are our ticks hastened?

[halcyon valve]

yep

[livid cloak]

Could synergize with arterial bleed

[halcyon valve]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iQvhLsQcnBvBpm8Bey6uvx heres the sim if u wanna take a look

[livid cloak]

Or is that with slayer

[halcyon valve]

colossus

arterial bleed is part of it yeah

[livid cloak]

How about 1t 5min and 5t 2 min?

[halcyon valve]

havent looked into that

[nova marsh]

I imagine the ST loss is huge

[livid cloak]

Wife checked my vault, looks good

Guessing myth shard is the play

Transmitter is tempting though

[halcyon valve]

yup, as is to be expected, full singletarget (talent/1t 5m sim) with serenity is 6.7% behind just being normal and taking anger management

might be less awful with different stats but cba because it wont be worth it anyway

[nova marsh]

Yeah like

Colo ST is already mid

[halcyon valve]

ye unfortunately

[nova marsh]

Heyooo

that's nice

Honestly at that point

If you need THAT MUCH cleave

You'd just go fury

[halcyon valve]

id sooner die than go fury, arms my love, i will never betray you

[old urchin]

Same bro

[nova marsh]

You'd be RPing as fury

[fringe moon]

unfortunately I swapped to fury for M+. Was getting annoyed of being invited to groups and then kicked after I say hello

[livid cloak]

Bro right???

Its nuts how often that was happening to me

[gaunt owl]

rookie mistake

you said hello

[shadow ibex]

I never been kicked for arms

I assume ppl see and think ok wtf can arms actually do

[livid cloak]

I'm in the double digits for it happening

Wrll, i assume that's what it is

[shadow ibex]

One time I've had it mentioned was doing m0s pre season

[livid cloak]

That is unhinged behavior

[shadow ibex]

Someone asked if arms was that good or im just built dif

[opal kelp]

Hey guys, which build a re u guys using for m+

wanna test some arms m+

[shadow ibex]

send vault luck

second orator

what are the odds

[sly venture]

Slayer, sometimes back to Demolish for fun, sometimes a Jugg build cleave build. It's all viable.

[opal kelp]

hmm slayer jug is the only on i have tested...

[olive nest]

My condolences

[shadow ibex]

ye

bad vault

raid loot is myth tier if i cata and myth rashanan trinket

so just meh

[olive nest]

Surly socket a myth helm/wrists/belt!?

[shadow ibex]

my belt is heroic socket from first boss

could do wrist yea using craft

[olive nest]

😱

[nova marsh]

okay

[shadow ibex]

i might wait until some boss kills

[nova marsh]

Colo in grim batol

[olive nest]

Socket crafted wrist not horrible option

[nova marsh]

actually just fucking slaps

[shadow ibex]

see if i can get helm from sikran

and then cata that

and socket it

[olive nest]

That’s good ye

[nova marsh]

That end section is WILD

[shadow ibex]

or just socket the bracer

[olive nest]

Socket is same value on any slot

[shadow ibex]

yea no point in waiting

[olive nest]

Well

[shadow ibex]

ill proably just socket wrist

[olive nest]

Cool thing about wrist is you probably won’t un equip it the whole season

Solid option

[shadow ibex]

is orator that bad

i been using it

since i got myth track 1 week

1

[olive nest]

I mean it’s not horrible but to get the most out of it you have to track the stacks

Not my cup of tea personally

[shadow ibex]

buff seems up all the time. idont track it but when i check details its like 97% uptime

and 2898344809 reapplications

so i assume its up with a handful of stacks constant

[olive nest]

Maybe it is that convenient then

I used the champ one I looted for like two dungeons

[shadow ibex]

just lookin at details yea i wouldnt know why it wouldnt be up for awhile

[nova marsh]

I've used the champ orator for the whole season

[shadow ibex]

uptime is 90+ and like i said has tons of reapps

i looted myth mark last week that im using in m+ and rn as fury for brood

feels lame in raid cuz mandate

so i just use mandate + orator and use them right after the other since they dont care

[nova marsh]

So

is mandate just Grief tourch but better?

[shadow ibex]

idk never used torch

was for DH and other lame classes

[nova marsh]

Grief was so ass on arms

[shadow ibex]

did it have mainstat or a secondary?

[nova marsh]

main

When I look at mandate it seems like grief but better because it's not a channel...right

[teal fossil]

well back then arms wasnt allowed to channel

cuz you were either channeling in CS or tom

which was kinda troll

now not anymore

[halcyon valve]

ok i did one whole dungeon with arterial bleed + spiteful serenity
it feels very weird, but the damage it does isnt bad. as youd expect, deep wounds / rend are a way bigger chunk of your overall dmg

[teal fossil]

bringing back the flat damage profile

[halcyon valve]

like take it with a huge grain of salt because im certainly not playing optimally, but yeah its a bit more flat (this is from a city of threads)

[wanton sierra]

hey how is your details dam overall on dgs? cleave-ms-demo-tr

[halcyon valve]

playing a normal build its like 18% cleave, 16% mortal strike, 16% demolish, something along those lines

[zenith warren]

how will wacraftlogs now operate with the raid buff in play?

[nova marsh]

This week will probally be fucked in terms of ratings and parses

and then next week is the patch so all rankings get reset anyways

[shadow ibex]

Can't wait for the arms nerfs

Overwhelmed weaker

[nova marsh]

I mean you just play colo

and evreything is fine

besides roar

[shadow ibex]

Not in raid

[bronze sand]

might be a dumb question but how do we use the ascension embelishment? I dont see it as one of the options when crafting a cloak

[nova marsh]

The ST diff isn't that far apart now

[remote ledge]

only for weapon

[nova marsh]

And it's gonna be even tighter post slayer nerfs

[remote ledge]

wbu arterial bleed btw ? I like the talent and i do'nt know when it is a good pick

[teal fossil]

ST or mass aoe

its pretty hard to take

[nova marsh]

Has blizzard fixed Brutal finish yet

Oh wait sorry gotta wait for the .27 patch for that

[remote ledge]

Okay thanks

[halcyon valve]

eternally punished for 2 weeks of being good 😔

[nova marsh]

So

PSA

Heroic dungeons count for the weekly....I genuinely did not know this

[rancid willow]

Hey all, the Wowhead arms guide says Everforged bracers + Consecrated Cloak for the crafted pieces and its showing they have the same embelishment...is that right? didnt realize we could stack embells

[nova marsh]

Yeah

Duskthread is great

[rancid willow]

So put on Bracers AND cloak?

[nova marsh]

Can also run ascendence if ur more raid focused

yes

Lowest stat budget pieces. Or boots

[rancid willow]

I primarily do M+

[shadow ibex]

The world if fatality was a bleed and got dmg from all our bleed amps

[nova marsh]

Then run dusk

Because ascendance falls off a lot

Espically if u have a myth track weap or have a good shot at getting on e

[steep osprey]

I’m trying to find arms playing m+ videos on YouTube

They don’t exist

[nova marsh]

because noone plays arms

[steep osprey]

[nova marsh]

Evreyone plays fury, espically for keys

[steep osprey]

Poor arms

Hope they get aoe buffs

Demolish needs to do more damage ngl

[rancid willow]

From your mouth to God's ears

[steep osprey]

Tbh smh

[nova marsh]

Ehhhh arms is fine

It's just not fury

[steep osprey]

If fury isn’t even that good

Arms isn’t fine

[nova marsh]

OH RIGHT SORRY

Gotta say it

[steep osprey]

Are you gonna use the V word

[astral yarrow]

Thane is pretty banger

[nova marsh]

Arms and warrior in general is the worst spec in the game and always are. We have no CC, one trash buff, and blizzard still nerfs us? BLizzard themselves hate warrior and always have. we should all reroll now!

[steep osprey]

I’m gonna play Spear and no OF AM, soft caps can’t hurt me

[astral yarrow]

[steep osprey]

Real and true

[wanton sierra]

arms was the "pvp" option back in the days

[nova marsh]

WE ARE NOT A PVP SPEC

Oh my god I hate that more then being trash

[steep osprey]

Me when mortal strike

[nova marsh]

So

does blizz literally just design us for pvp

[wanton sierra]

sharpen blade is yuge on pvp

[steep osprey]

Yeah that’s why we suck in pve

[wanton sierra]

xD

[nova marsh]

delete pvp

[steep osprey]

Couldn’t be more based than that

[nova marsh]

so\

if blizzard delete pvp

will they give us a rework?

[steep osprey]

so\

Warrior desperately needs a talent rework

Everyone else got it

[nova marsh]

And we will never get one

[wanton sierra]

what if the spec talents and everythin stays the same but we got some % buff on some core skill, to a point to become viable?

[nova marsh]

Blizzard will just give 18 more pargraphs for a 20% slam buff

[astral yarrow]

the 17 paragraphs was us

[misty bridge]

just a MS buff and we're back xd

[nova marsh]

They're gonna buff Slam so it does more damage then a fully buffed MS

[steep osprey]

Blizzard: Best I can do is slam buffs

[misty bridge]

[steep osprey]

Alternate slam and ms

[misty bridge]

alternate execute prio: Slam

[steep osprey]

Slam is now the big hitter

Ms is filler

MoP

[nova marsh]

buff slam so much the actual rotation becomes spamming it

[steep osprey]

Anyone played arms in mop?

[misty bridge]

slam of the gcd and buff TOM

[nova marsh]

No

NO

[wanton sierra]

id love fatality rework

[nova marsh]

DIE TOM DIE

[misty bridge]

[steep osprey]

Mortal Strike was a rage generator in mop

And slam was the big hitter

[misty bridge]

I'd love a juggernaut removal and DF s3 tierset added

[wanton sierra]

what do t3 set did ? i dont remember?

[steep osprey]

Dw they’re gonna rework our talents

[misty bridge]

Execute did a Thunder Clap

[wanton sierra]

wow i remember, it was fun indeed

[misty bridge]

or was it SD did a TC

[steep osprey]

That dealt 200% more damage

[nova marsh]

I mean it was nice

It was SD

[steep osprey]

Yeah it’s sd

[misty bridge]

it was a lot of fun ye

[nova marsh]

but if you remove SD you'd probally have to buff Exe

[steep osprey]

Talent rework is gonna make it a talent

You heard it here

[misty bridge]

[steep osprey]

Quote me

[wanton sierra]

massacre baseline for arms and jugg talent on the massacre spot xD

[halcyon valve]

that would be kind of sick

rework it into the dragonflight s2? tier set, where executing below 35% does 50% of the execute as a bleed

just go nuts

[wanton sierra]

rework blademaster torment

[nova marsh]

again?

[steep osprey]

I am tired boss

Make MS great

[wanton sierra]

not to proc bladestorm, i mean, maybe some cool interaction with mortal strike, like mortal combo, wombo combo of mortal strikes.. i mean, blademaster torment

[nova marsh]

I mean let's be honest

Let's give beserker's torment so love

That shit got massacured

[wanton sierra]

ok "sweepin strike now stacks and lasts til avatar duuratino" so now we can quaduwocombo!

[nova marsh]

Like that talent is very dead. If any torment needs a rework it's absoutlely zerkers

[steep osprey]

Oof yeah

[nova marsh]

At least Blademater's has a USE

[wanton sierra]

6 sec feels so little for an last tree talent position

[nova marsh]

Then you can just say buff it

But like I said, it dosen't need a rework if it at least has some manner of use

[wanton sierra]

how about an new talent: passive: if you execute -> overpower and then mortal strike (this sequence) you would proc an mortal strike on the nearest target

[nova marsh]

Too complicated tbh

[wanton sierra]

i mean, it brings potential for sudendeath procs

[nova marsh]

And at that point....just....make SS passive

[wanton sierra]

that order is not a rare thing... we are pressin it buunch of times.. we execute overpower proc then ms ^^

[nova marsh]

Yes

But the payoff isn't really worth it

it'd feel weak

And it'd also controll the rota

I'd rather something like giving us actual mortal combo

With a hp % scaling second part

That caps out at like....say 40% extra damage at 30% HP

As a fatality rework

[wanton sierra]

how about an lil rav or lil bs proc?

[nova marsh]

Dosen't slayer already do that with Reap?

I'd like to see something with rava that'd be neat

So ravager can be something else other then just a vechile for unhinged

[wanton sierra]

yes, agree... rav should hav an nodle that "rav now is 45sec"

[nova marsh]

I mean that'd be amazing

But also....just make rava do that

OR

Even give it two charges by default

[wanton sierra]

ye, 2 charges would be very good

[nova marsh]

WITHOUT THE DAMAGE PENALITY

From storm of steel from tha

[wanton sierra]

fatality is decent dam but the playstyle is meh.. id like to see something that would pile some super combo so mortal strike hits super hard... i mean something that would take some time to build and ramp idk the word... like 3 or 4 times in a boss fight

[nova marsh]

Fatality is literally designed off a trinket

And no matter what anyone says...it is

[wanton sierra]

the last talent of tree should be cooler than that

[nova marsh]

I mean really

Arms should just have capstones

Even fury has better capstones then us, what with AM/RA, Rava, OF...

[wanton sierra]

or even another burst button

[nova marsh]

I'mma stop ya right there chief

Arms....does not need another button

Unless it's baked into one of our pre existing ones

[wanton sierra]

true i agree

[nova marsh]

I would support something like

"Proccing" off of avatar and CS

But I also just think Avatar should be reworked cuz man....for a big CD it feels pretty weak

[wanton sierra]

it removes root xD

[nova marsh]

Sure....but we have charge and BS for that too lol

But a damage bonus smaller then CS for like tripple the CD feels like a crime against humanity

[wanton sierra]

on shadowlands i think we god some borroed power that our ms would proc 6sec of csmash, stacable

[nova marsh]

Yeah I don't want....gamba back

I'd rework jugg and falaity personally

Jugg just because it honesly shouldn't exist

[jovial lintel]

do we still use bladestorm in execute phase or is it dropped

[nova marsh]

yes we do

on CD

WIth EP

[jovial lintel]

kk ty

[livid cloak]

You use it with 2 executioner precision stacks

So that the 1st unhinged mortal strike benefits

[livid cloak]

The real culprit is critical thinking

It should be build in to the skill

[shadow ibex]

Nah arms needs infinity 2 rank talents

Make it all /2

[jovial lintel]

I noticed that in wowheads guide it says to only use overpower to build rage in execute phase. but it doesnt generate rage? is it just to maintain dps uptime while auto attack happens?

[livid cloak]

Yeah you just use it as a filler, or if you get a tactician proc, as those do a lot of damage as slayer

[jovial lintel]

tyty

[wanton sierra]

mists 11

[livid cloak]

Why is your mortal strike so high

That seems so weird

Just because of bosses?

[subtle snow]

Sweeping strikes my guy

[livid cloak]

No mortal strike is usually 3rd under demolish

[subtle snow]

Also unhunged from bladestorm/ravager

[livid cloak]

Its typically cleave by a wide margin, then demo, then ms

[raven ridge]

Think he is using battlelord

[livid cloak]

Ah

[subtle snow]

I don’t make the rules I just follow the deets

[livid cloak]

Battle lord no mbg?

I wasn't asking you anyway lol

[wanton sierra]

since i talented battle lord my ms dam on keys gone high

[livid cloak]

Was that with mbg kroggar?

[wanton sierra]

played this

[subtle snow]

The real tragedy is dreadnaught damage

[wanton sierra]

dont tell me about, i aways play str in arms but ppl say dn is decent

[shadow ibex]

dn super meh

I mean technically it's aoe over sta and sta isn't super ST either

[subtle snow]

Used to be super good in df

[nova marsh]

I

[livid cloak]

I feel like that build wants arterial bleed

[nova marsh]

Really hate that dawnbreaker dosen't allow ground mounts

it's so stupid

[livid cloak]

Just run on the ground on a flying mount

Wdym

[unique bridge]

… why would you want a ground mount?

[livid cloak]

I'm hoping to run some battle lord Sims tonight, no mbg, with some diff talents

I feel like arterial bleed with 2/2 bb, sks, and no mbg is the play

My gut tells me

[wanton sierra]

i felt like i would lose ALOT of aoe dam with no mgb.. but cleave is still high

[livid cloak]

But i wanna sim it

I think no mbg is okay, but I think not having it really strays away from colossus strengths

[nova marsh]

repair

That's literally it

[livid cloak]

There's a repair anvil on the boat

Where you respect

[nova marsh]

I keep forgetting that

[livid cloak]

Respawn

[nova marsh]

still, gotta love tanks being stupid

And calling me words discord won't let me say when my weapon broke

Like....cool let's just loose 5 seconds for no reason lmao.

Told them not to rez me

[livid cloak]

If you go in not at full repair that's not the tanks fault lol

[nova marsh]

Tank still throws a hissy

Well yes it's not

That is on me

But why even rez me when I told you that

[livid cloak]

Just hit decline then release?

[nova marsh]

it was on the last boss

[livid cloak]

These are very weird things to be upset about

[nova marsh]

Ik right

People are stupid af

I'm more amused the tank even got mad

[wanton sierra]

its hard to pug i agree, but at least i got some luck on groups... ppl know what to do and all

[nova marsh]

I mean

it was very close to a 2 chest

So I'm not complaining even if I did kinda hard carry

[wanton sierra]

iv broken some keys yes, but in general we manage to do it np

[nova marsh]

With two other dps doing tank damage in a 6 lol

But....well that's normal lol

Colo is weird af in dawnbreaker

[wanton sierra]

how much colossus usuualy overal on mists? i mean 10s

[wanton sierra]

true

[nova marsh]

See mists

Mists is the one dungeon I will always be slayer

[fringe moon]

wish colossus had a bit more ST in M+

[nova marsh]

If your group is even a little slow on the maze uhhh....you're screwed

[wanton sierra]

yes maze needed to be done quick

[remote ledge]

Could you elaborate

[wanton sierra]

but colossus smash mists

i did 15m on ingra

[nova marsh]

Stacks will drop in the maze if you aren't quick on it

For colossus

And the maze is like half the dungeon

...whelp

[remote ledge]

So does jugg stacks

[nova marsh]

I'mma try a void pack stone

[nova marsh]

Jugg stacks matter a lot less then demolish stacks tbf

Espically in aoe

Besides, your jugg stacks will drop in evrey other dungeon too.

Has less duration then colossal might

[wanton sierra]

if everyone colaborate, maze is done quick even without wa

[nova marsh]

yeah uhh

that dosen't always happen in pugs

[wanton sierra]

ping system helps alot

[nova marsh]

and even if it dosen't it still adds a bit too much time between packs for my liking

[remote ledge]

Yea I could hear what you say, I'll go slayer in mist, so cot mist and GB. Do you go slayer anywhere else?

[nova marsh]

also depends on what you cast last in a pack

if you didn't cast MS or exe last in a pack (which is kinda rare but does happen) it kinda fucks you

[nova marsh]

I main slayer mostly

[wanton sierra]

those packs are juuicy to dam... you aways wanna stack col dam and col might before next pack

[remote ledge]

How do you keep up in dmg with other classes, I already struggle as colo

[nova marsh]

I don't really

99% of the time I'm dead last

[wanton sierra]

he is an legendary gamer

[remote ledge]

Oh

[nova marsh]

Or I'm hard, HARD carrying

And 2 other dps are doing tank damage

[wanton sierra]

on bosses i need to save everything coz st dam is crap... at least to be "passable"

[nova marsh]

ehhhh it's bad yes but I think colossus's ST has been overexeraggered

At least as long as you have some CDs for it

[wanton sierra]

i kept up with ret and ele shammy on bosses tho... only on miscaller that xammy blasted on dam

[nova marsh]

Granted

I just have a different mindset of "don't be the carry ffs"

[remote ledge]

What I struggle as arms, is that I just got sv mastery use trinket. Although nothing syncs so I end up just using everything on cd and most of the time trinket is alone

[nova marsh]

Instead of trying to top damage when I know I'm not going to

[nova marsh]

It syncs with avatar

Macro it to avatar

[edgy solstice]

macro trink into avatar

[wanton sierra]

ava macro

[remote ledge]

Doesn't avatar benefit from am

[wanton sierra]

not anymore

err, i mean, i think it never benefited from it i might be wrong

but now no

[remote ledge]

No it's recklessness

My bad

[nova marsh]

AVatar has never benefited from am

On...any spec actually

[remote ledge]

Ok then just macro it and forget it, easy then

[nova marsh]

yeah

Ik pactstone is trash

But I just....really am tired of dubb on use

[remote ledge]

Another delay question, do you always delay warbreaker or cs for either demo/bs/avatar ?

Cos it feels weird waiting for something else for 10-15s, but at the same time it feels like it does no damage

[nova marsh]

Please make it stop I hate this garbage

If its more then 10 secs out

No

[remote ledge]

Same for avatar and bladestorm/demo?

[nova marsh]

Yes

Even 10s out is iffy unless it's CS and bladestorm

then it's more like 5

[remote ledge]

Perfect, so no delaying demo if I'm at 0 stacks

[nova marsh]

I mean I usually do

espically if you have rava up

Because you get like 6 stacks and that's better then nothin

[remote ledge]

Getting some easy stacks with rava and cleave first

Noted

Oh and, is there any way to make a full bleed build work, or not yet

[nova marsh]

That's not arms's use case

if you want a full bleed spec, feral is like

right there

[remote ledge]

I meant as much bleed oriented as arms can get

[nova marsh]

I mean we kinda already are if ur running SKS

With 2 BB and roar

the only bleed talent we don't take is bloodsure

cuz it's kinda mid

[wanton sierra]

When i do opener i trow demo even if not fully stacked, i do it wrong?

Tc tr ava rav ss cleave ms demo

[twin hazel]

culminating blasphemite good gem?

[remote ledge]

The 2 builds I took from here didn't use sks, I thought it wasnt taken anymore

[nova marsh]

It is

it's just not liked

[minor gust]

arms has a lot of different little variations you can move around to your liking

[remote ledge]

I feel like there is less concensus also cos there are less people overall

[merry stone]

Anyone else having Treacherous Transmitter sim lower than expected? It is somehow not doing better than my Detachable Fang even at its highest upgraded level as ilvl 626

Doesn't seem worth it considering the headache to use it too

[remote ledge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/cn/白银之手/红手山林木?zone=39

I still don't understand how this guy got to 3k+, looks like he played with semage a bit, but how come does he not pick correct talents

[terse osprey]

Anyone here been playing Colossus?

[nova marsh]

Yeah like half of evreyone has been

[uneven yacht]

how much of arms st comes from execute phase, just tryign to dummy test between arms/fury

[terse osprey]

Thats good

I like it more then Slayer

Demolish feels like to press

[vale cradle]

Until the tank moves the mob youre targeting 2ft away from you

[nova marsh]

Depends

Slayer is more execute focused and gains more because they can just go go go and don't run the risk of running dry as much, espically if we add skyfury into the mix

[livid cloak]

@wanton sierra pretty standard colossus build in dawnbreaker 10

with sks no battle lord

not a great dungeon for colossus, but still felt good

[teal fossil]

Other way around

Colossus has a higher gain going into execute

[nova marsh]

...makes sense

But like I said a bit of a larger risk of running dry

[teal fossil]

Slayer does more damage in execute because it does more damage overall

[shadow ibex]

Colossus needs ST bad

[teal fossil]

They have the tuning lever

They choose not to pull it

[minor gust]

they are just gonna keep nerfing slayer

[wanton sierra]

Damn king yuge dam

Tried battlelord build and i did not did great

On dawnbreaker

[open mango]

when should i be pressing demolish in my rotation? whenever it’s up? after warbreaker? wanna try out colossus after seeing how much people like it over slayer

[wanton sierra]

My overall was 1m

[livid cloak]

i was running some sims and just 2/2 bb 2/2 deft no battlelord no sks simmed pretty well lol

but it was pretty bad in ST

[nova marsh]

Kinda low ngl

The B lord version feels kinda trash

[wanton sierra]

Yeah i played badly, died a few times

[edgy solstice]

blord is really just for shit like grimmy b/dawnbreaker

maybe city

where tanks often don't pull big

[nova marsh]

Grimmy sucks because of the drakes

it kinda fucks the flow and overalls up imo

Because you have like a whole 10% of the dungeon that's just...really really short

[minor gust]

Blord also just makes ST rotation feel better and frees you from sks even if it doesnt sim better

[wanton sierra]

What would you pick instead blord

[nova marsh]

Another point in BB

[leaden jasper]

how does colossus compare to slayer rn

[nova marsh]

MBG

[minor gust]

if your not taking blord just run sks

[edgy solstice]

these are what i rotate between

[leaden jasper]

i see a balanced amount of them both in the higher part of the ladder

[nova marsh]

Better in aoe, worse in ST

[edgy solstice]

OAM with the first, arterial with 2nd

but im still testing

[leaden jasper]

so colossus fortify

and slayer tyranical ?

[edgy solstice]

i kinda soft quit since d4 came out

[nova marsh]

sure but like

Evreything is both weeks at a 10

[leaden jasper]

ah didn't know what changed

last ksm i got was bfa lol

[nova marsh]

Oh damn

You missed all the mounts

[leaden jasper]

i don't mind

seeing 50% of the people i run into riding them kinda cancel any regret i'd have

it sure has gotten easier it looks like

or maybe there is just more ppl doing mythic+ idk

[glass cliff]

debating between khardros or transmitter from my vault. doesn't look like transmitter is that annoying

[wanton sierra]

Hey sean @sean share your mists results (when you have it) i posted other dgs too… if you dont mind, i like to compare and discuss builds 🙂

[nova marsh]

if you don't mind trasnmitter, run it

It's badass

[teal fossil]

M+ gotten easier

They removed a lot of the harder affixes

And gearing has become easier

[unique warren]

any can help me

in trinkets?

[livid cloak]

this is a mists from the 6th of october

[unique warren]

this is a bis trinket with ara kara's trinket?

[livid cloak]

in the fury channel i found out im a 1.5m andy D:

[wanton sierra]

Nice dam

[tacit crystal]

I JUST KILLED SIKRAN WITHOUT SKULLSPLITTER TALENTED

https://tenor.com/view/inside-out-anger-characters-gif-25501912

[livid cloak]

just ran this and it was pretty fun, lots of overpower resets

i feel like strength of arms would've been better, but not much downtime in execute, felt like i always had a "good" button to push

[open mango]

no SS?

[uncut raven]

How much is Dreadnaught overall?

[nova marsh]

Not a lot

[livid cloak]

3%

[nova marsh]

U can run soa

[livid cloak]

627 pally edged me out on last boss D:

was siege of boralus

[tepid citrus]

I'm normally top if you dont count bosses LOL . ST is ass in COL

[dry frost]

Got a charge in every single avatar window

deadinside~2

[livid cloak]

@wanton sierra last one for tonight - since you requested a mists - this was a mists 10

20 mil demolish on 1st boss rofl

[nova marsh]

Nut worthy

[livid cloak]

I think this no sks, 2 bb 2 deft soa build is the best smooth brain build

It definitely felt the most comfortable for me

[steep osprey]

Need someone to post arms m+ videos lol

[lime glade]

what is the opener for aoe?

[old urchin]

Charge, Tclap, roar, SS, colossus+avatar, ravager/bladestorm is what I do.

[open mango]

can you send me the talent tree? im curious

[manic stirrup]

right here

mbg for battlelord massacre for sks and dreadnaught for strength of arms is best though

[old urchin]

Hmm hadn’t thought of dropping bonegrinder

[shadow ibex]

Mbg would be more fun if we could afford to take blademaster

And if the sweeping wasn't weird

[empty sluice]

Yea both torments are pure trash

[eternal crest]

Missing double spin

missin smash reck

[light dirge]

open weekly chest

get dupe of wrists

never been closer to the edge

[clear rain]

LETS GOOOOO

got the myth weapon

[cunning sleet]

Is that good? I got it as well but it has so much vers, no?

[chrome comet]

Isnt ilvl alwsys better on weapon?

[sly venture]

Not in theory no

But most often

[cunning sleet]

My wep is 636, so only 3 ilvl difference. Anyway, simming it right now

[sly venture]

Fury Warrs benefit from lower ilvl on crafted if stats make the sim go BRRRRR

[cunning sleet]

hmmm

[sly venture]

What's your stats on crafted?

[cunning sleet]

crit haste

[sly venture]

Meaning versa and ilvl increase is 9k dps then, but hard to tell which one does the small 9k increase

[cunning sleet]

nah, not that hard. let me fix the sim

seems like it's the ilvl.

[subtle ore]

For single target do you guys use thunderclap or rend for the bleed?

[cunning sleet]

I'll take it, maybe I will try fury for some bosses now.

for single target you shouldn't have thunderclap?

[subtle ore]

don't they both apply the bleed?

[sly venture]

For the bleed? They do the same bleed. Rend for ST because inital dmg

If you like to minmax, but TC is more practical

[subtle ore]

gotcha, thank you.

[cunning sleet]

Ah I understand the question now. Yeah use rend because it deals damage.

seems like taking the wep is better, also I can try fury for some fights now so thats good.

[sly venture]

An increase is an increase 🙂

[tranquil rapids]

Yo i see lethal blows in the guide but cant find it anywhere in game

[sly venture]

But harsd to tell what you will get next time

Lethal Blows = 4 set bonus

20% extyra MS or Cleave dmg

it stacks up to 2

[cunning sleet]

the socket is only 3k dps increase so i don't want to take it, just sad cuz i basically used 60k gold to make the wep -.-

[tranquil rapids]

Lmao ok that makes sense thanks

[sly venture]

It's not that explicit, so understandable.

[stray kindle]

Anyone have experience with Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg? It looks kind of troublesome to use, and I'd imagine pairing another on-use trinket with it could be annoying, but bloodmallet ranks it pretty high

[strong holly]

do I see it correctly that we are getting nerfed next patch, beside being the 4th worst specc in m+ and lower middlefield in raid? xD

[quasi torrent]

we hate LB

[leaden jasper]

compared to bfa ? infinitely easier ye

[quaint otter]

it doesnt share cd with other on use

[tranquil rapids]

Long term what 2 embellishments should i craft?

For raiding

[tacit crystal]

#dps-faq

[stray kindle]

oh ok, then it doesn't sound that bad

[quaint otter]

Passive ton of stats never been bad for arms lol

[stray kindle]

yarr - my usage of bad is very liberal, bad as in annoying

will probably pick that up from vault

[quaint otter]

yeah but still u dont have to do something special for it

its just stats

[sacred zodiac]

you do though

gotta keep it at like 20/10 which sounds like an insane headache

[quaint otter]

for min max maybe

min max is headache itself usually

[slow saddle]

100% warrior deserved our nerfs😅

[vital summit]

Fury is best at being the worst... better nerf arms

[slow saddle]

Ye arms mid nerf pls

[warped ether]

They just threw fury straight into garbage

Ron swansoned fury’s ass

https://tenor.com/view/backwards-reverse-throw-computer-garbage-gif-26025544

[silver socket]

Why is (according to wowhead) Black Blood Injectors best in slot gloves with ~500 haste and ~900 Mastery? I could take Machinists Searing Handguards in Mythic now which got 553 crit and 850 haste, shouldn't that be better for arms?

[buoyant cargo]

I guess it is the best simming gear combination.

[silver socket]

I see, but I am far from hitting the 20k DMR cap, so I don't see those gloves being better right now 😅

[lunar vessel]

Good example of why the concept of BIS outside of trinkets or special items is nonsense for most people, since it relies on you having all the other pieces that make those particular haste/mast gloves better. Follow the machine

[quaint otter]

^

[livid cloak]

💯

[wary bronze]

Am I doing something completely wrong or is the majority of my damage as arms coming in during the execute phase on raiding? (specially ST).

Example now when reclearing norm and some heroic bosses, where they "die too fast" if we just look blindly into the DPS across the fight, my avg dps dont have time to jump as high during the execute phase as it could, if the fight goes on for longer during that phase, my overall damage just skyrocket the longer we stay there.

same during progress and whatnot, if we wipe before execphase, or something unexpected happen I sit low on damage done overall and looks like im doing fuckall kinda.

Just a random example with somewhat realistic numbers - avg 600-700k dps, if execute phase goes well ending up at 950k+.
Is it anything I can change talentwise or rotation etc to make it more even or is it just how things is as arms?

Secondly to that textwall.. Demolish, I really want to play that in m+ and raid.. but everytime I do m+ with it, it feels like its either missing the last attack, it stops channeling, or the damage dealt is just.. weird, third attack white hits hitting higher than some third-attack crits and whatnot, sometimes the combo is barely noticeable on a pack, and on others its the main source of damage, ilvl range 614 ish with like 30% crit.
I know about targets moving out of the small range or my main target die during it that can fuck with it, but the issues have felt like they can happen randomly as well. 😦
(we talking Demolish at max stacks ofc)

[tranquil sundial]

dont worry, we have a bigger nerf inc next week

[slow saddle]

ikr

also why can ret paladins get to fucking slap in M+ and be good in raid as well

[tacit crystal]

go to #449510248579858432 and post a log

[livid cloak]

What's the nerf next week

[tacit crystal]

soft cap 8 to 5

[wary bronze]

Will check up the logs when I get home and get back to that, hopefully I have daily fresh logs on top of that.

[livid cloak]

Oh yeah

[tranquil sundial]

And overwhelmed stacks from 12 to 10

Slayer

Will be like a 1.5-2% ST nerf

[slow saddle]

i still have no idea WHY

we need that nerf when i c UH + arcane + i dno a million classes doing more st

and more bursty

[vital summit]

Devs work in mysterious ways

When you realise it's actually a nerf intended for Fury burst AoE

[somber dome]

do people actually play arms in higher m+ keys or just do fury?

[nova marsh]

Yes people do

[somber dome]

Which is favored, the Smooth Slayer build or Collossus spike build?

[gilded stump]

The smooth criminal

[somber dome]

Alright cool

[bronze wharf]

depends what do you mean by higher key

13 and higher non existant

[atomic mountain]

meanwhile all klasses got a half book with changes to 20th ana

[vital summit]

warbreaker +2 yards and new Champion's spear Icon

[severe galleon]

would you pick heroic trinket or mythic skarmorak shard?

[vital summit]

Huge buffs

[remote ledge]

Very few people

Almost no one tbf

[atomic mountain]

i play 10+ this week ill try some 11/12

question! do we have bombs with ingi and are they worth?

[plucky fern]

no engi bombs are a joke

600 main stat

versus bajillion secondary stats from tempered potion

[plucky fern]

there are a few players who cleared +13th but its definetly harder than fury

i mean, technically you can close a 15 as arms you just have to get carried by frost dk

[remote ledge]

It prolly could work, but no one really is trying it

The Chinese guy did some 13/14 while doing 1m1-1m2 dps with a troll build. Everything's possible I guess

[atomic mountain]

no normal bombs like in classic to stunn or do just dmg?

[atomic mountain]

before i play fury i reroll trying guardian druid

or warry tanking

[plucky fern]

no, only bombs that buff main stat to everyone in radius

like a party buff

and it shares cd with your pot

so idea basically trade your performance for party boost

but its clunky and just bad

[livid cloak]

Define higher keys

[somber dome]

yeah thats kinda broad term lol, i mean from minimum 8+

[livid cloak]

Yeah for sure

[vernal crypt]

Pretty sure every spec has done a 13

[livid cloak]

Arms definitely viable up to 12s to 13s

Idk after that

I haven't timed a 12 yet

[tacit crystal]

i got ran down yesterday

[thorn pelican]

u ever push demolish on the wave mechanic on rashanaan and not immune the pushback

[slow saddle]

Prot warrior is great

[austere river]

anybody know if you can have multiple ring of earthen craftmanships equipped? it doesnt say that its unique but...

[tepid citrus]

COL would be the best spec ever if they fixed the damn ST.

[tacit crystal]

nah

demolish sucks

[tepid citrus]

I like it.. Untill I kill bosses

lol

Then I watch Paladins top meters on ST and AOE. Perfect balance lol

[shadow ibex]

Nah arms gotta catch biweekly nerfs

While dks and rets are allowed in current state

[tacit crystal]

make tom better

[misty bridge]

DIE TOM DIE

[tacit crystal]

something about having 25% increased str goes crazy

[tepid citrus]

I just want to see a Blizz dev play Arms on a live stream with a DK and Paladin in their group

lol

[misty bridge]

25%

[tacit crystal]

what

i know its not possible now

[shadow ibex]

Fuckin warbringer devs

[tacit crystal]

i need an amirdrassil rerun

NOW

[shadow ibex]

Ask devs to point out warbringer on the talent tree

[tacit crystal]

make tom baseljne

[tepid citrus]

BL should be baseline. That would fix a lot of ST issues imo. Make it give 20 rage instead of 10

[twilit burrow]

Is like fury better than arms now btw

[livid cloak]

At what

[tepid citrus]

If you want to be able to do ST and AoE dps in m+. Yes

[twilit burrow]

How about raiding?

All i see is nerf so i want to know if theres light at the end

[livid cloak]

What type of raid fights?

They're both fine, arms has better st

[astral zephyr]

Yeah the light is you rerolling frost dk 🤣

[twilit burrow]

Ok thank you

[twilit burrow]

Played frost in df dont want to play same spec again

[tepid citrus]

I want DF Jug back

[thick hamlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sDg9ZBeZsRKLPH6T8KXjC5
mi amigos, how come raidbots is choosing circle of bone (haste/mastery) over band of the ancient dredger (crit/haste) bis ring?

i'm a sim enjoyer, but i also like making sense out of things like that

[thick kelp]

Because slayer loves hates and values crit =mastery

[brisk garden]

Well the logical answer is that you have enough crit to make mastery more valuable 🙂

[thick kelp]

u also dont have alot of haste

from your other ring and neck

[astral zephyr]

Haste is king

Until you have more than u want

[thick hamlet]

gg noobs

thaks

[tacit crystal]

stay mad noob

[tepid citrus]

I'm finally a top Sargeras warrior with @violet steeple Is it 200 IO lower than him? Yes. Is it on Arms? Yes.

So hilarious that the top classes on Murloc IO have like 50 of each class, but there are like 15 Arms warriors listed lmao

[remote ledge]

What's hilarious is being top of the class with 2700, but we'll get another nerf

[tepid citrus]

[remote ledge]

Do you go arterial bleed with these talent choices? I liked your arms build a few weeks ago

[tacit crystal]

up to you on the aoe loss

[violet steeple]

[livid cloak]

gonna run some sims today without mbg. I like massacre just b/c its an easy way to know when i don't have to rend anymore

[tacit crystal]

i got lazy and just made a tc rend macro for keys

[livid cloak]

looks like dropping massacre and MBG for sks and battlelord is about 25k st increase for me, 65k decrease in aoe, washes in dungeon slice

for aoe i did 5t 2 min

at 10t it drops, of course it doubles to 130k loss

[tacit crystal]

i think its a fine loss though

[livid cloak]

it is, but if i can get basically a wash and not have to worry about sks, ill do it

[fathom pebble]

hi boys best talents for m+ until +9? for tyranical

hero talents*

[tacit crystal]

#dps-faq

[livid cloak]

i prob overthink sks in aoe, trying to make sure i always get it with SS under roar and stuff

[fluid rune]

Is this the build your talking about?

[livid cloak]

vs just not having it as a button

[tacit crystal]

swap mass for sks and dn for other

[livid cloak]

strength of arms not dreadnaught

and drop massacre for sks

but i prefer

[tacit crystal]

and i play blunt instruments over warbringer

🙂

so i loss even more aoe

[livid cloak]

this is just my preference

100% smooth brain build

i would not run this on tyrannical, but if it's 10+ then it's fine

trash dies too fast on tyrannical weeks, probably just play slayer

[boreal quartz]

Not showing hero.. Man

[livid cloak]

SORRY PHIL

[tacit crystal]

grrr phil

https://tenor.com/view/inside-out-anger-characters-gif-25501912

[boreal quartz]

Huh

[tacit crystal]

but to me best build is this

[boreal quartz]

We cool?

[tacit crystal]

oh yeah we cool

i just like spamming the gif

[amber nova]

yo raid bots sim has roar before avatar on opener, is there a reason for that?

[tacit crystal]

the initial damage of roar

which is not the dot

is not worth to use avatar on

[boreal quartz]

Dot also just dynamically does more dam during ava

[livid cloak]

oh miss me with juggernaut (personal preference)

[boreal quartz]

So you want extra 1 good GCD in ava

[amber nova]

ok ty

[remote ledge]

No SD slayer??

Is there a way to cook a bleed slayer build? For lower tyrannical keys

[tacit crystal]

i imagije you just drop jug

and play full bleed

[tepid citrus]

Interesting with no SD

[remote ledge]

im a bleed addict

[tacit crystal]

where would you get the extra point

[fresh spire]

Problem is lower key levels bleeds will be worse usually as less time to tick when mobs implode

[tepid citrus]

You wouldn't.. I'ts a broken build.

[tacit crystal]

why

[remote ledge]

yea and the build is in aoe slayer in the FAQ i'm dumb

[tepid citrus]

Becuase Blizz hates us

[tacit crystal]

😦

[wanton sierra]

This works? Show details and keylevel plz

[tacit crystal]

its just the jugg build in #dps-faq

[wanton sierra]

Idk about jugg, we got colossal might and colateral dam stacks to work on, another set of stacks… well, i shall try it then

[tacit crystal]

ive been playing colo with art bleed recently though

[boreal quartz]

Jugg slayer cranks St so hard

Ive had bosses i ended at 1.6 mil

[tacit crystal]

CRANK

[wanton sierra]

Damn, yes as slayer it would work better

[tacit crystal]

phil for packs are you just sending cleave on sd then rest kinda whatever

[wanton sierra]

Art bleeed you need 2 bb points

[tacit crystal]

yeah i play both i think

[remote ledge]

what about aoe slayer from the dps faq, should we keep mbg or can i play something else ? sd or massacre ?

[tepid citrus]

I would just drop cleave and go full on prio. idk

[limpid dirge]

are collateral damage and bongrinder multiplicative

[tacit crystal]

i assume so

[tacit crystal]

for the jugg?

what would that look like

[tepid citrus]

Might be worth in CoT and DB. Drop cleave and go SKS

[tacit crystal]

would you keep collat

or swap to longer ss

[tepid citrus]

ss

[tacit crystal]

i was also thinking of dropping the point below bb but philliam got mad at me

because its bad

[tepid citrus]

People are going to wonder where your dps is till you get to bosses though haha

[boreal quartz]

Cant rlly

Nothing gains st in the tree at a justifiable rate compared to the aoe ur losin

[tepid citrus]

I just said what I "would" do if I was going to run something like that. Not that I would run it

[tacit crystal]

i think jugg slayer is the most prio we can afford without just hard griefing

[manic stirrup]

i do, its up to you

its like 2% st for 2.5% aoe

something like that

[midnight mural]

@boreal quartz i do arms tonight for as many bosses as possible 💪

[boreal quartz]

Im arms all 4 until brood again...

i will vault neck now trust

[tacit crystal]

i believe philliam

🙏

[boreal quartz]

Nothing to believe ive done it all resets so far?

[tacit crystal]

i believe you get item

[boreal quartz]

is ok

[dire hinge]

oooo with the socket

[tacit crystal]

+1 socket

[floral yacht]

Hello, I've just joined the discord. I would like to know if there have been any changes in talents since the patch on the Slayer nerf, I don't see anything different on wowhead. Sincerely sorry if anyone has already asked, I don't have my bearings yet

[austere vale]

Anyone having issues with droptimizer having extreme diffs in dps on items when rerunning the sim
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/scSq95zWmuxRiY3oapuQtr
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/trBdF16HjvSQPWZAG1coaT
For example see brood ring/trinket

[dire hinge]

no talent changes needed, just a small throughput nerf on our end.
We usually do a more humanized writeup of what changes mean for the specs over in #updates-midnight any time tuning happens if you want to follow along there as well!

[floral yacht]

I've just checked it out, I understand better, I'd thought Colossus would be better than Slayer by now. Thanks for your reply

[olive nest]

How big is mandate in execute?

I don’t have one just curious

[dire hinge]

they're pretty close, with Colossus being a strong candidate for fights like Mythic Court

[dire hinge]

depends if it crits or not tbh, but can go to like 13-15M

[steep osprey]

Is it because of the bleed talent

[dire hinge]

the timing is just nice for that fight, you're often Demolishing every time the boss is in a damage-increased timer

[steep osprey]

Oh that’s neat

[dire hinge]

the scarab takes increased damage following the charge-stop mechanic
the tall one takes increased damage following the dispell mechanic 👍

[steep osprey]

Right

[dire hinge]

most people still do slayer, but seeing more folks give Colossus a go here and there which is spiffy

[olive nest]

Ayye that’s pretty large!

Is there a lowest health point for full value or does it scale all the way to 0 theoretically

[dire hinge]

unsure on that one tbh

i just press button

[olive nest]

Just curious because like if the boss is 15% but you could hold trinket for another 5% to get another million or two it’d be worth right

No idea how it works though just yappin

[manic stirrup]

caddy lies that shit

[remote ledge]

i tried the slayer bleed build in ara kara 9, did shit shit damage

ill go with choco colo it is what it is

[floral yacht]

If i want to buy Treacherous Transmitter 613 ilvl, how much seem to be fair ?

[boreal quartz]

It do

Large hastw

[dire hinge]

there's no good answer here. Buying gear is entirely something up to you and what value you see in a temporary piece of gear that you'll likely replace over time.

[merry stone]

Treacherous Transmitter heroic still sitting in my vault because it’s simming lower than my Detachable Fang 🥴

[chilly isle]

is 2x Duskthread still the best embellishments for arms?

[merry stone]

I might just take it just for shits and giggles

[tepid citrus]

COL with BS feels so good.

[tepid citrus]

I take two time and Im on Murloc IO. So obviously what I say is right.

[loud wadi]

rly? I wanna try

[tepid citrus]

Just coming out of BS with bonegrinder and COL buff feels so goooood

[loud wadi]

yeah but the ST?

[tepid citrus]

There is no hope for COL ST. Just embrace that you should group with a SPriest for PI and let them ST lol

[loud wadi]

I don't know if I should listen to you, traitor.

[tepid citrus]

No that's a trick

You Q as fury so you get accepted. Wait till the countdown and switch to arms

It's the only way to get into 12's

lol

but I do re-run some lower keys as Fury

[chilly isle]

What about raids? M+ is for people who cant do mechanics gigalul

[tepid citrus]

Arms is like the ex GF. You know she's toxic and she'll never truly change, but you always want her back.

[loud wadi]

I'm right behind you (on io)

[tepid citrus]

Ill prob push more later in the week when all the fresh keys have been bricked already

[tepid citrus]

I run Slayer, but my parses are kinda crap atm. I can't call raid and prog/play anymore it seems. Must be getting too old.

[viscid blaze]

Hello Warriors, as an Arms warrior am I aiming to have Crit/Haste on all of my gear?

[loud wadi]

Always crit but I think haste in general is better for ST/Slayer and Mastery for AoE/Colossus.
Anyway:

[viscid blaze]

I am new and dont really understand the simming thing, I just didnt understand why the BiS weapon has vers on it as opposed to a crafting wep with both crit and haste

[loud wadi]

sometimes guides place items/stats thinking about "end content", mythic raid and high keys, for example, or simply thinking about the final balance stats of all the "bis" items. Crafting a weapon with crit and haste is the safe choice in my opinion.

[strange perch]

@quick night @latent moss

[viscid blaze]

@loud wadiOk thank you

[loud wadi]

np

[tepid citrus]

BIS gear assumes you have all the other BIS gear.

[quartz cedar]

What do your stats look like?

[quick night]

hiiii8

[fluid rune]

so you send cds on pull and demo should be up for first charge?

[tacit crystal]

stats dont matter

sim does

yeah

usually i get cs back for first charge

[dire hinge]

not enough data atm, but im seeing some folks hold major cds for charge, while others use it on pull.
If you do want to hold, you'd likely only use CS/Skullsplitter/Demo on pull and save the rest, since the charge is 45sec in

[viscid blaze]

@quartz cedar

[livid cloak]

@loud wadi i almost caught you

i screwed up a couple of pulls and died once, rip

[tepid citrus]

what level key is that

[livid cloak]

was a nw11, tank did a gigantic pull to open, carried my dps the rest of the key

was like 8 mil after 1st pull and just fell after that

[tepid citrus]

What does the boss damage look like? HAHA

[livid cloak]

blightbone

amarth

stitchflesh

just colossus things

i scuffed my timings on amarth really badly

[tepid citrus]

not as bad as i thought it would look with a monk and pally. nice

[livid cloak]

that monk has super good st

[tepid citrus]

You running basic COL build or home brew?

[livid cloak]

homebrew

i posted it earlier, no sks, no battle lord, 2/2 bloodborne, 2/2 deft experience

i did get my ass proper handed to me in an 11 dawnbreaker earlier by a frost dk

[gaunt owl]

thats FDK for you

[tepid citrus]

This one? That's what I'm currently running too. Been dipping into BS instead of RAV as well. Feels better, but will prob stick with RAV

[livid cloak]

Yea

[acoustic mulch]

can we clear webs on 1st Boss Mythic with Bladestorm?

[shadow ibex]

yes

[acoustic mulch]

ty

[worldly kernel]

Bladestorm with colossus?

[manic river]

No sks then