Not if you have to tank a boss for a few seconds.
#arms
weak wave
daring heron
DBTS can be situationally better, but ER is just universally better
balmy kindle
Not everyone has the privilege of playing with S tier tanks 
sacred zodiac
if you have to tank the boss for a few seconds you have other problems than whether you are fury or arms
balmy kindle
Yeah but this is highly dependent on the players you play with
weak wave
if you have to tank the boss for a few seconds you have other problems than whet...
Lazy argument. This saved several fights since the existence of dbts. ER could not have done this.
sacred zodiac
sure i also tanked a boss with dbts until a kill a few times over the years
edgy solstice
Again, it's niche. And feels good when it happens.
sacred zodiac
that doesnt change the fact that if you have to actively consider dbts tanking while the tank is dead consistently enough to prefer arms over fury you should maybe find better tank players to play with
edgy solstice
ER is still significantly more practical and it's why fury has better survivability
- wp
balmy kindle
that doesnt change the fact that if you have to actively consider dbts tanking w...
If you play brown class you don't get to choose though 
Its more of tanks getting to choose who they wanna play with 
sacred zodiac
i very much can choose who i want to play with
balmy kindle
Well if udm waiting in the lobby for 30-40 mins by all means
sacred zodiac
do you not have a guild or friends
balmy kindle
Obviously if you are in a guild or have alot of friends it's different
edgy solstice
of course not
balmy kindle
I am in a guild but obviously in downtimes I still pug
Arguements like these is kind of like : wow is a social game.
So the answer to that is so I can just buy 10 boosts every week because by social = I can pay for it lol 🤣
tranquil sundial
DBTS *can* be situationally better, but ER is just universally better
Yeah this is fact
sacred zodiac
idk even in pugs the tank quality is fine enough to not warrant dbts tanking being an argument for arms ngl
balmy kindle
If you have tried tanking u would know it's kind of easy to lose aggro
tranquil sundial
experience since SL says its very nice to have dbts
balmy kindle
If you like derp a lil on dmg CDs
Prot tank has it easie but even still you rely alot on your cooldowns
edgy solstice
- using dbts when you should be using personals anyway often leads to you not having it up when the tank dies
weak wave
i very much can choose who i want to play with
And none of these ppl you played with ever made a mistake? Wow how boring.
balmy kindle
Still Stan for dbts because tanks can miscalculate and die
tranquil sundial
idk I agree, ER is better but I really enjoy playing with dtbs in keys
edgy solstice
i avoid fury at all costs so i'm with ya but feelsbad sometimes being the perma squishier spec
esp when ret/dks are fuckin invincible too
balmy kindle
esp when ret/dks are fuckin invincible too
Think rets are still squishy compared to DKs
Between ams iceforge and deaths advance it's like playing on easy mode
But obviously they don't have leap so there's the tradeoff
sacred zodiac
@swift crown do i need dbts to play with you or are you humanoid
edgy solstice
rets are warrs with immunes and dks are warrs with another 300k hp
sacred zodiac
more than 300k surely
balmy kindle
If you count AMS and AMZ it's prolly infinity 
sacred zodiac
and dstance and sr
yes rallying cry
remote ledge
What is the m+ build that is cooking for arms rn
edgy solstice
microwaving instant ramen at best
silent flame
Warrior
remote ledge
Is there no chinese arms warrior that came through with some weird talents?
edgy solstice
same build as the colossus m+ talents in the wowhead guide except no torment
torment is bait
balmy kindle
Colo everywhere else but GB and DB slayer maybe
edgy solstice
nah slayer kinda dead in keys now
balmy kindle
Low Target count pulls it's still better tho arguably
thick kelp
Jugg Slayer goes hard
edgy solstice
jugg used to be the play in grimmy b/city
balmy kindle
The main perk I see in Colo is the shockwave talent we get
4s stun or 5 cd reduction and knock up
It's not much but considering how op caster thrash can be I would argue brown class good
remote ledge
I do mostly 8 to 11 keys and play a very low amount of time, what spec would suit better, arms or fury? I like both but I feel like doing low dmg as fury idk
balmy kindle
Fury has better aoe tho if your group has good st dmg
edgy solstice
Thane is more appropiate for lower level keys now. More sustained dps
balmy kindle
Would say you can stay fury
edgy solstice
But so is colo
slow saddle
Fury better st
sacred zodiac
Thane is more appropiate for lower level keys now. More sustained dps
eh i mean you want burst for lower keys not sustain
slow saddle
Than colo
edgy solstice
why
slow saddle
So fury overall
edgy solstice
tanks aren't doubling any packs
unless you know some giga tank who is steamrolling 7s for some reason
most people dont
balmy kindle
Fury better st
You might wanna release a guide because furys are terrible in pugs
Legit below tank boss dmg
sacred zodiac
then the furys you see or play with are garbage nothing new
balmy kindle
Yeah but if there's this much garbage no one's gonna take brown class
edgy solstice
these are the two i mostly rotate between now but tbh i haven't really touched keys since d4 came out. OAM with first, arterial with 2nd
sacred zodiac
shocking news: bad players play every class and spec imaginable
public perception is usually not formed around the worst of each spec otherwise no keys would ever be ran
balmy kindle
public perception is usually not formed around the worst of each spec otherwise ...
Considering how fast blizzard is trying to fix things I would say you are kind of wrong
sacred zodiac
idk man i roll fdks all the time i dont see any fdk buffs coming
slow saddle
🤣
balmy kindle
I mean fury war and FDK players kind of overlap so
Your fotm FDK probably just picked it up because it's op now
And it's kind of easy to play since BOS is not mandatory
steep osprey
BoS is easy to play
edgy solstice
ya breath was never hard to begin with. liable to be cucked by tanks tho
balmy kindle
It's mostly because losing breath feels terrible
frigid cipher
Riders is definitely easier though. And better in most keys people are doing
remote ledge
Fury better st
I thought jugg arms was way ahead of fury in ST
When cds don't align I'm also low on bosses fbm
edgy solstice
jugg is way ahead but jugg is also dead in keys
slow saddle
Thats slayer no?
edgy solstice
it was manageable in low target dungeons before the nerfs
slow saddle
St dmg good, but not that much bettrt than thane
quasi torrent
I thought jugg arms was way ahead of fury in ST
When cds don't align I'm also l...
Its certainly not WAY ahead anyway.
its better, but not crazy better at all.
edgy solstice
but slayer arms got sniped for some reason xd
slow saddle
Esp if a bl is involved
remote ledge
Then what does arms have for himself
edgy solstice
ST/2T in raid and Colo in keys
edgy solstice
so could colo
sacred zodiac
can play fury on kyveza now
sacred zodiac
damage difference is negligible and warpaint is nice
slow saddle
Fury excells at living
sacred zodiac
and ER healing is very nice for intermission
edgy solstice
colo is the ms hero talent spec and it still doesn't feel special pressing it unless it's propped up by 2x tier, 2x ep, 10 stacks of CM on target
slow saddle
Well coz baseline ms bad
gaunt owl
colo is *the* ms hero talent spec and it still doesn't feel special pressing it ...
Gonna blame blizzard for nerfing MS by 20%
slow saddle
Warlords torment....
gaunt owl
Sometimes i wanna know why they tune the way they do
Seriously cluegi dev
Nerfing Fury slayer
And we catch strays on that
slow saddle
Aura nerf had been better in prepatch
gaunt owl
And Fury slayer isnt even good ST
edgy solstice
nah this was before
sacred zodiac
overwhelm nerf is ptr no
edgy solstice
i thought i read it was supposed to go through in last balance update but i might be wrong
arms is really down bad if that's still incoming
thick kelp
its ognna go live with 0.5 patch
ionic reef
when it comes to overall damage and feel you guys pref colossus or slayer?
edgy solstice
overall? colo. feel? eh. colo can be clunky and desyncs a lot so i feel more people would say slayer
ionic reef
i noticed that colossus does more aoe(not as much as fury) and slayer arms does a good amount of single target(more than fury) im looking at the stats on archon.gg says colossus is out performing slayer but it doesnt acutally seem like
it
think im gonna stick with slayer as that feels better. that said why do you think colossus feel clunky
edgy solstice
AM + Demo cdr makes your cds all wonky
It's not that bad after awhile of playing it tho
imo
Demo itself just feels weird sometimes too. Tanks cancelling it, using sweeping for the first two hits of it, small range
echo monolith
agree with all of the above. that being said it feels good to just big smash a pack with demo
austere hamlet
can someone link a slayer juggernaut m+ build theyre using?
boreal quartz
can someone link a slayer juggernaut m+ build theyre using?
Raidbuild drop sks and BB for cleave and cd
That's rlly it
edgy solstice
I kept sks but yeah p much
remote ledge
Is wowhead rotation for Colo updated for m+?
austere hamlet
Raidbuild drop sks and BB for cleave and cd
oh ok. do u still press cleave as often without fervor?
fresh spire
Overwhelm nerf goes live in 2 weeks along side the aoe hit soft caps
Arms taking strays from fury single button success story
#just nerf bladestorm fuck fury and its better bladestorm
edgy solstice
it's ok
boreal quartz
oh ok. do u still press cleave as often without fervor?
Oh and get fervor too ofc
chrome comet
when we start scaling with our tier set, it'll be ok
Worst tier set ingame
remote ledge
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/DAOBRUFRFQiEVKSUUBANVVBFURVlUkFQFDRBAEVVVUBB
Chinese 3k arms warrior is running this build as slayer in keys
fresh spire
Tbf ep isn't that insane as execute is most your damage. Its still good for sg
fresh spire
Like interms of St sins even then ep isn't even that strong
remote ledge
But it was a dawnbreaker so eh
No it's also mist and stonevault
fresh spire
Was trying to kill it off with custom apl got it down to like 15k
remote ledge
That's the build he ran in every 13 keys, not only dawnbreaker, don't lie idk?
I told you earlier this morning there are some chemical Chinese builds we didn't think of
thick kelp
Bold to say we didnt think of
fresh spire
Issue with ep in slayer is that Ms is shittttt
remote ledge
Well I asked earlier and people said no, I guess bleed build is funnier than jugg
fresh spire
It only gets worth pressing when you got 2 stacks of tier in execute
remote ledge
Ans no eu or us is running those builds
thick kelp
His exact build was simmed and in the sims it was performing bad. But Sim isnt a real situation in a dungeon so it was hard to replicate
the reason people are running other builds is cuz they have been simmed and seen to perform well
edgy solstice
Aoe builds are always a clusterfuck
gritty karma
yo gamers what stats do i put on my crafted weapon
swift crown
<@217744588775882753> do i need dbts to play with you or are you humanoid
Yes you tank I press Demolish
gritty karma
crit haste?
thick kelp
and he randomly is running massacre which is very weak as a ST node
remote ledge
I'm all for suggestions, I love bleed builds and wanted to know more about this one
edgy solstice
Tbf I'm normally anti-sims when it comes to m+ as well but this build just seems weird
thick kelp
You can run his build
edgy solstice
I need a log
thick kelp
but I would move the massacre point
To either EP or Blord
Massacre is just a shit node without the other execute talents being pared with it
remote ledge
Tbf I'm normally anti-sims when it comes to m+ as well but this build just seems...
Yes that's why I love Chinese builds, same for dk esp unholy, they always come with non sense that ends up being good
sacred zodiac
Yes you tank I press Demolish
i now have a shield ..
thick kelp
Also this guys build would perform alot better as colossus
quasi torrent
spongie prot is a hard skip for me 👍
sacred zodiac
spongie prot is a hard skip for me 👍
rude
edgy solstice
Yeah my main ? is why slayer
remote ledge
Also this guys build would perform alot better as colossus
Yes arterial bleed right?
edgy solstice
With those talents, he was surely just hitting cleave the entire key
thick kelp
He has to be his ST is pitiful with the build originally posted
quasi torrent
For more bleeds
bleed me dry
fresh spire
Eb ms cleave and mbg with aterial is a sin
If your going to play eb/mbg you don't play bleed amp
thick kelp
Is this better
remote ledge
He has to be his ST is pitiful with the build originally posted
I'm mad I don't have a Chinese gf to ask those guys why
edgy solstice
ngl
fresh spire
Spear is so shit in arms
edgy solstice
That should be the build
thick kelp
I'm mad I don't have a Chinese gf to ask those guys why
Skill issue
edgy solstice
But it's not
remote ledge
Skill issue
I'm sure these Chinese guys don't play demo cos they hate it and they just go fast
Prolly some stupid thing like "I don't like being rooted" no more explanation
thick kelp
if u want some insight into china community
go watch this guy
he speaks english
but raids and plays in china
Streamed their prog recently
remote ledge
It's unfortunate I only have mastery ring and enchants, but imma give them both a try this afternoon, his and yours as demo
remote ledge
https://www.twitch.tv/supremeqaq
Thanks
fresh spire
Mastery not so bad in colossus
You just wanna try get some crit
Try get some new rings/neck from keys for em
thick kelp
crit mastery on your jewelry should be enough
remote ledge
I have like 11k mastery haste each, 6k5 crit. I'll check my inventory for crit rings
remote ledge
Try get some new rings/neck from keys for em
I gotta farm crests anyways, might aswell have fun as arms
astral zephyr
Question, should I avoiding sending MS without 2 stacks of MP?
Or just full send if I have at least one MP
edgy solstice
Generally avoid
astral zephyr
Avoid 1 stack MP MS?
edgy solstice
Assuming raid, you ms only when you have 2x EP and 2x tier
And if you have 2x tier, then you have 2x mp
sacred zodiac
martial prowess has no impact on your rotation
edgy solstice
So ya you can just ignore mp
sacred zodiac
ok it technically does in execute with overpower but that conditional is not real
thick kelp
it also does in aoe when you have collat damage 🤓
sacred zodiac
no one has ever played arms in aoe before
austere hamlet
it also does in aoe when you have collat damage 🤓
how does mp and collat dam scaling work?
thick kelp
big fuk dam
boreal quartz
So the scaling is multiplicative? Idk how scaling in wow works
It works different for every single spell
It's just fucked
remote ledge
Oh and @thick kelp for the Chinese build on either slayer or your version as colo
Are there any rotational changes? Or emphasis on some parts? Thanks
thick kelp
Oh and <@865605822638063647> for the Chinese build on either slayer or your vers...
Execute is there as a slam replacement once you get into execute phase
thats basically it
remote ledge
In exec range, do we still send ms on cd since it doesn't have many exec multipliyers?
astral zephyr
Assuming raid, you ms only when you have 2x EP and 2x tier
So many acronyms 💀 what is EP? And tier stacks are Lethal Blows right?
thick kelp
Executioners Precision = EP
Tier stacks = Lethal Blows
thick kelp
So many acronyms 💀 what is EP? And tier stacks are Lethal Blows right?
EP - Executioner's Precision
SkS - Skullsplitter
AM - Anger Management
WB - Warbreaker
IFTK - In for the Kill
ToM - Test of Might
SS - Sweeping Strikes
CS - Colossus Smash
MS - Mortal Strike
OP - Overpower
TR/Troar - Thunderous Roar
EB - Exhilarating Blows
BL/Blord - Battlelord
MfE - Marked for Execution
MP - Martial Prowess
MBG - Merciless Bonegrinder
LB = Lethal Blows (Tierset)
astral zephyr
EP - Executioner's Precision
SkS - Skullsplitter
AM - Anger Management
WB - Wa...
You cannot comprehand how much I appreciate this
thick kelp
👍
astral zephyr
So wait if it’s a single target raid fight
It’s a big nono to MS outside of 2xEP and 2xLB
thick kelp
well not a big nono but a dps loss yes
Even if you get so unlucky your 1x LB buff falls off, you still continue to execute
till both conditions are met
astral zephyr
So what changes outside of the execute window except keepin up rend n all that
I feel so fucking stupid playing this specc 💀
austere hamlet
It works different for every single spell
ah, I see. sounds like wow. but we should get 2x mp before sending collat dam cleave?
thick kelp
I mean outside of execute window
its justpressing MS on cd
filling with both op charges
and if nothing else slam
Refresh rend whenever the duration of it is below 6 seconds
If its about to fall off hit it
You should have 100% rend uptime
boreal quartz
ah, I see. sounds like wow. but we should get 2x mp before sending collat dam cl...
If you can it helps ye
astral zephyr
Gonna try and improve my downtown tomorrow when I raid
remote ledge
Careful cos tr is also titanic rage as fury lol
raven atlas
do a quick sim and mimic it as best as possible 
thick kelp
In execute if your Rend and/or Deep Wounds are about to fall off hit MS regardless of tier and Ep
thick kelp
do a quick sim and mimic it as best as possible <:yep:703420923625078804>
I will do you one better, read the guide
astral zephyr
Been reading the guide of maxroll now over and over again
boreal quartz
Been reading the guide of maxroll now over and over again
That's rlly good
Now practice on a dummy
thick kelp
5mins
boreal quartz
As long as u feel like
astral zephyr
without dropping combat vs dummy
Blud 💀
thick kelp
Not everyone can learn like that but
and I also always have a personal note displaying the opener sequence of the spec I am learning
boreal quartz
and I also always have a personal note displaying the opener sequence of the spe...
I do that in a wa for Icons mainly
Just perma loaded spell icon
thick kelp
Liquid reminders is funny for this tho
thick kelp
You can have it tell your opener mid fight
boreal quartz
Incredibly addon
astral zephyr
and I also always have a personal note displaying the opener sequence of the spe...
Oohh I should actually do thay
thick kelp
I sure am glad that I most definetly did not go to raid leader exchange and definetly did not search and definetly did not get the WA from there
astral zephyr
I also need to make a WA for EP and LB
boreal quartz
I sure am glad that I most definetly did not go to raid leader exchange and defi...
I would never
Do not search fuck paywalled addons
sacred zodiac
checking
boreal quartz
Then again id actually 1 time pay a 10er for that addon
sacred zodiac
not checking i mean
boreal quartz
It's rlly good
thick kelp
Not paying shit
Liquid already has enough money
give the guy a pay raise or smth
:raidmarker 8:
sacred zodiac
isnt max in there lmao
fresh spire
Imagine gate keeping weakauras tons of guilds use behind a patreon
Northern sky the real goats this tier
misty bridge
Oh and <@865605822638063647> for the Chinese build on either slayer or your vers...
what is this chinese build?
halcyon breach
Northern sky the real goats this tier
NS always puts out really good WAs
Reloe a real one
fresh spire
Reloe a real one
Real
remote ledge
what is this chinese build?
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/DAOBRUBRFQmEVKSUUBANVVBFURVlUkFQFDRBAEVVVUBB
misty bridge
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/DAOBRUBRFQmEVKSUUBANVVBF...
ty
echo bridge
I'm struggling to get over a 50 parse in Raids. Can anyone offer any advice? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JNjP24V91Q8tZhYD#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=6
Feel like I'm missing something or I'm being a bit too harsh on myself
icy mulch
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/DAOBRUBRFQmEVKSUUBANVVBF...
Hmm, interesting.
I think I like the Battlelord Colossus version more.
boreal quartz
Zero st build innit
icy mulch
Zero st build innit
You could say Massacre is for ST? Sorta.
icy mulch
Massacre without Jugg would feel worse. If this is M+ though, you're not getting high stacks of Jugg.
At least not reliably.
boreal quartz
Massacre without Jugg would feel worse. If this is M+ though, you're not getting...
I mean ye i m+ slayer in like 3 keys
I accept less aoe for more st
icy mulch
I've had a lot of fun in M+ with the Colossus Arms build. Just really annoying when I have a full stacked Demo and the tank decides to kite the pack away mid animation.
remote ledge
You can't deny that it looks funky
wanton sierra
it happens!
thick kelp
The guy playing it also has a full premade and runs keys every hour he is awake
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wanton sierra
why cant i check his gear?
remote ledge
The guy playing it also has a full premade and runs keys every hour he is awake
So you mean it works cos his whole life revolves around wow, yet he plays a niche Classe with a niche build
Weird
remote ledge
why cant i check his gear?
Chinese, he has 4p 629 and plays kharhdros, egg from arakara
That's all I can get too
wanton sierra
plays as slayers, it seems
remote ledge
Yes, with the build I sent
We are missing something, way more logical than just him being stupid
Ik Americans are how they are but cmon
thick kelp
So you mean it works cos his whole life revolves around wow, yet he plays a nich...
No I mean he is 3k and shows up like that cuz of the reasons I listed
wanton sierra
he did fewer keys than me
almost 630ilvl, with premade friedns with meta cclasses xD
remote ledge
almost 630ilvl, with premade friedns with meta cclasses xD
Just like everyone there idk
thick kelp
Hidden secret to pushing io, friends with meta classes
or friends even
dont even need to be meta
raven atlas
friends are fake, pugs are the true homies
plucky fern
yeah you guys overthink too much
he just plays build that he likes
doesnt mean its the best build
we dont even have evidence that he does any significant damage
wanton sierra
the amount of dungeons is the impreesive part... ppl that has his score has like 100+ 10s... he got 14
thick kelp
edna damage
wanton sierra
daaaaiummn! and he is slayer, its supossed to deal decent st, right ?
plucky fern
it supposed to beat fdk on st
thick kelp
he doesn
wanton sierra
damn 1.3 overall with an aug is not that much.. i think pools need to be smaller coz of key level, so i might be wrong
boosted it is?
plucky fern
logs dont count aug damage i believe
latent moss
pulls only get bigger
plucky fern
all damage there is redistributed to dragon
wanton sierra
pulls only get bigger
thats what i think
latent moss
thats what i think
" i think pools need to be smaller coz of key level"
wanton sierra
people doing 2mil without aug
yes true
plucky fern
also most of this keys were done in a few sessions so clearly boosted
and even uploading logs for that is kinda shameless
xd
wanton sierra
" i think pools need to be smaller coz of key level"
i was trying to figuure why his damage was so low
plucky fern
not really
thick kelp
Because his build isnt great
plucky fern
you can look videos of people doing 15
pools are even crazier
because timer is tough
you have to pull big
and do insane dmg
otherwise no way to finish
in time
wanton sierra
yes i agree! the way i said that is confusing... i think that on hier levels, bigger pools... fuckin portuguese -> eng translation that fucks me xD
his build is bad
plucky fern
well tbh i dont think theres a good build for arms in m+ now
ive kinda gave up and just playing fury thane because in +12 keys i cba playing with 5 mil hp
arms needs defensive buffs
😦
wanton sierra
how much hp fury thane has? i got 5400000
plucky fern
if i pick the victory rush node that also has stam on it
i have 6.5mil
unbuff
and in arms its like what 5.4 or smth
and 10% dr from talents on top
cant compete as arms sadly
wanton sierra
warpaint has some dr too right?
wanton sierra
we got that lil healing from colossus, but i think it should be hier, like... if it procs, it shall work until you reach 80% hp
plucky fern
yeah healing is cool but still feels not strong enough
you can maybe see 250k hps in aoe situations with full bleed build
wanton sierra
also col has some DR when we demolish
plucky fern
still nothing if you die in one shot
and ignore pain is a joke
500k shield
xd
at best
wanton sierra
1.6mil, it got buffed? i still think its low
wanton sierra
its not even talented xD
latent moss
arms is more than playable in high keys
wanton sierra
col got an nodle that buffs ip... no stranger than pain.. 20% more shield
latent moss
what are u on about
wanton sierra
elaborate
latent moss
no it wouldnt
latent moss
arms doesnt deal damage
compared to meta specs
if you think arms needs more defensives idk what to tell you
plucky fern
you didnt understand what i was talking about but w/e
arms needs damage as well thats true
icy mulch
Ret, Fdk, Shaman are the outliners right now. So good luck keeping up with a semi decent one.
brisk slate
tooltip is wrong
Tool tip is badly worded for IP. It shows the maximum value you can possibly have on IP, hence the 'up to ...' part. Does around 533k in this case, as the maximum is around 3x the absorb value per cast. Health also plays a role in the calculation somewhere, as does AP, but I'm currently not sure how.
bronze wharf
i got ~350k with it, no idea what it scales with
icy mulch
Boomie is only good when you can pull 20 mobs. Mage about the same. It sucks all around for non-meta classes. Worse for us because (as usual) lack of utility.
plucky fern
if u know how to press buttons preemptively
literally can be said for any other class
'just play perfectly lul'
wanton sierra
Nerf meta to become close to us, mortals
latent moss
it cant be said for any other class
icy mulch
literally can be said for any other class
'just play perfectly lul'
Meanwhile Ret can face roll and crank out damage.
plucky fern
im talking about some other classes can survive way more mistakes or just simply ignore mechanics
icy mulch
At ranged no less.
plucky fern
you have to play perfectly as arms no not die and do any damage at the same time
yeah i can stay in dstance forever and LoS every mechanic
will not die
thats true
latent moss
????????
bronze wharf
honestly i just press dbs and chill
plucky fern
meanwhile fdk will stand in everything
wanton sierra
On maxroll has defensive rotation, very interesting
icy mulch
D-stance nerfs our damage.
brisk slate
So does death.
wanton sierra
Oh boy
plucky fern
because i can tell you im not going back to 12 grim batol as arms ever again
dim basalt
Arms is fairly squishy
latent moss
not a single class wants to go to grim batol
dim basalt
Just the fact that most other melees have at least half a million more hp is enough
bronze wharf
yeah its literally the worst dungeon
icy mulch
I did laugh when I was tanking a 10 GB, watched the hunter and Aug voker fall over to the commanding roar on first boss.
wanton sierra
Long ass dungeon
plucky fern
yeah imagine pressing dstance on every single mechanic
literally on cd on some bosses
fun gameplay
meanwhile fury thane can not even press ER once and still survive
latent moss
arms having legit 0 stamina is disgusting i agree
wanton sierra
I do stance dance
icy mulch
yeah imagine pressing dstance on every single mechanic
Ugh, add more clunky to an already clunky spec.
dim basalt
arms having legit 0 stamina is disgusting i agree
Thats like the only issue ngl
latent moss
u have more dr passively than classes with mini defensives
latent moss
they dont?
wanton sierra
XD
latent moss
spell reflect legit 2nd most busted defensive after ams
icy mulch
so we can agree that arms defensives suck huh?
I don't think anyone was really arguing that.
plucky fern
its 'warrior' defensives not arms specific
im mostly just comparing two dps specs for high keys
plucky fern
I don't think anyone was really arguing that.
mr ja clappa does tho
icy mulch
Troll gonna troll?
plucky fern
i guess
latent moss
its 'warrior' defensives not arms specific
im mostly just comparing two dps spec...
so cause they are class wide they dont count
twilit burrow
So is fury going to be better than arms st now?
icy mulch
Using D stance should only ever be a last ditch effort or on something you know is about to happen. Perfect example is the commanding roar boss and mobs in SoB. They made the lockout and GCD just too clunky to be on the fly.
wanton sierra
yes, osaliske king!
bronze wharf
dstance is no gcd
plucky fern
he probably means 4 seconds cd on stance dance
misty bridge
isn't a maxxed out IP 1.6m?
plucky fern
which is really annoying
icy mulch
She does.
wanton sierra
i spell reflect and die by the sword... if i know i need to press somethiung or i die i press ds
plucky fern
isn't a maxxed out IP 1.6m?
yeah but it has 10 seconds cooldown so its not possible to get there
its just a 500k shield for 20 rage
wanton sierra
the amount of rage for shield should at least be the amount of rage per dam we do on MS for exemple
misty bridge
I mean it is, but not very likely in a m+ setting
wanton sierra
jesus even i dont understand what i write
icy mulch
jesus even i dont understand what i write
plucky fern
it should either have no cd or give max value in one cast otherwise its a dead skill
but even with no cd it should also cost less then
im not spending 60 rage for that
misty bridge
1.6m shield for 60 rage?
icy mulch
And yes, ignore pain is mostly trivial but better than d stance.
plucky fern
its not because dstance is baseline and for IP you have to spend point in the spec tree
and arms is already one of the most point starved specs
wanton sierra
IP should contribute with AM thats would be better
tacit crystal
shit was too strong
misty bridge
IP should contribute with AM thats would be better
stop your cook
tacit crystal
got removed
wanton sierra
yes yes i was there i know
but no war picks IP now, if it worked like before, i think ppl would at least pick it
its not like we are swimmin on rage now
misty bridge
it would be another locked talent you can never talent out of
plucky fern
i doubt it would be too strong now
rage situation is different
you cant spam it on cd
astral zephyr
edna damage
Better nerf warr
boreal quartz
If ip just gave more youd see it again
wanton sierra
how about:
Ignore pain - 20 rage 11sec cooldown - the very next damage you recieve shall be 50% less (just like spell reflect reflection) but no dr passive or anything
remote ledge
how about:
Ignore pain - 20 rage 11sec cooldown - the very next damage you reci...
That's busted lmao
remote ledge
It's way too good
plucky fern
instead we will get 15% of SD damage leeched badck
enjoy 50k heals!
will definetly help
icy mulch
The PVP cry babies, I can hear them already.
wanton sierra
i mean, if you press it wrong, it will prevent an lil tic... so its needed to be tatical ^^
yes pvpwise would be busted
wanton sierra
damn im just tryin to get some ideas to get our class better without bustin it
plucky fern
arms is just forever catching strays
wanton sierra
we should have an baseline avoidance
remote ledge
too strong because pvp
Too strong cos 50% dmg red for no cd is op
Remember feint?
remote ledge
11s cmooon
wanton sierra
11 sec
remote ledge
Every aoe every targettable
nimble yoke
plucky fern
number can be tuned but i like the concept tbh
30% dr with like 20-25 cd
could work
acoustic mulch
quick question: should i craft a 636 - 2hand Ascendance wep or pray for a myth track wep in vault?
plucky fern
maybe even 20 dr
wanton sierra
quick question: should i craft a 636 - 2hand Ascendance wep or pray for a myth t...
wait your vault to craft
remote ledge
maybe even 20 dr
Basically you want feint
icy mulch
Unless you also play Fury.
wanton sierra
the wrong part is the fury part
plucky fern
i hate fury but thane is at least some fun
tender ermine
In m+ do we take warbreaker? I saw some videos recommending CS so thought I'd ask for clarification
plucky fern
its still debatable
if you are playing colossus warbreaker is probably better because in m+ everything reloves around trash pulls and you want that big burst damage
wanton sierra
yes we take eldritch... i do take it, its tons of aoe
plucky fern
if you are playing slayer arms ~~just reroll fury ~~ i guess CS is better
tender ermine
Ah so it's also hero spec dependant?
remote ledge
I like warbringer
plucky fern
kinda
slayer really loves haste and blunt instuments extend duration of in for the kill by 3 seconds
which kinda works for aoe too
and for st its big damage increase
so its reasonable
for colossus not so much
tender ermine
I'll give CS a try next dungeon then, I hadn't even considered it
wanton sierra
fingers crossed
icy mulch
fingers crossed
I have 3 heroic raid options, 3 mythic dungeon, and 2 t8 delve options.
wanton sierra
mythic options!!! i mean i got only 1 mythic piece, and its an ring... anything would be upgrade
hope that i dont get trash trinks
plucky fern
if i dont get a good trinket from vault im deleting my warrior
34 grim batol runs 22 stonevault runs
still nothing
atomic mountain
do you think beeig the boon is nice? thinked about building this for buffing my arms friend when i tank 😄
wanton sierra
if i dont get a good trinket from vault im deleting my warrior
damn i got so lucky, i got ara kara hero trink, and i got GB hero trink right after
slow saddle
I c ara dropp all the time
Just not for me😅
Even had 2 friends get it in the run with me
plucky fern
ara i got it seem to have very high drop chance
everyone in my m+ group has it since week one
but that damn gb/sv trinket is killing me
slow saddle
Gb is like all old dungeons
To big loot table
I got normal princess and .. a delve trinket🤣
That being said havent been super active so cant complain that much
civic swift
do you think beeig the boon is nice? thinked about building this for buffing my ...
be aware that, that ring does not work unless both players use it
wanton sierra
i want an myth weap, so i can craft other thing
im waiting, got some crests, gold and faith
slow saddle
Ofc i got 1 slot i expect weapon
atomic mountain
be aware that, that ring does not work unless both players use it
oh lol okay. then i dont craft it XD
wanton sierra
hey, that enginner bress, anyone can use it now?
wanton sierra
so it changes nothing if im enginner?
zealous hemlock
I don't think so? Not sure if it can fail but it never did for me so I would assume it cannot
atomic mountain
I don't think so? Not sure if it can fail but it never did for me so I would ass...
it can fail
wanton sierra
im enginner, i do bress ppl but it never failed me... i mean, i bressed like 3 times xD
icy mulch
34 grim batol runs 22 stonevault runs
Then I won't tell you what I took from vault last week....
wanton sierra
man im enginner coz i like the gadgets... invis belt, glider cape, and bress when needed... now anyone can bress
and coz im enginner in RL xD there is some rp
alchemist still has more time on potions and flasks? i may change it
icy mulch
I do enjoy my 2hr flasks
I do not enjoy tier 3 weapon oil....
At least the price of it.
fossil thistle
Become a blacksmith and and be useful for 1 week every patch 😄
slow saddle
Bs = free repair
wanton sierra
how about that sharpened stone, i see some warriors using it... is it better than mana oil
atomic mountain
if i dont get a good trinket from vault im deleting my warrior
bro chill i got 3 sockets....
icy mulch
I wish the crafted neck didn't suck so much. Would love to have 3 sockets.
misty chasm
do you think beeig the boon is nice? thinked about building this for buffing my ...
beboon
ba dum tss
wanton sierra
I wish the crafted neck didn't suck so much. Would love to have 3 sockets.
why is that?
is it bc we can only 2 sockets now?
icy mulch
No, it's because the stat allotment is low for the neck.
Well, good luck in vault folks. The time is close.
wanton sierra
you too master osaliske, good luck
wheat mica
need a juicy trink or rare ring/neck
or cloak. im not picky
those are the only vault items that are fun. gearing is kind of boring and has been outside of those giga rare items or weapons
livid cloak
Engineering has felt bad for a while. But I'm still engineer for ?? Reason
boreal quartz
Goggles
livid cloak
I'm considering dropping it for alchemy for the longer flasks but I have massive sunken cost fallacy
What benefit do you get from goggles?
I got a spark just doing nothing, I could make goggles
boreal quartz
What benefit do you get from goggles?
Tmog
livid cloak
Kekw
wanton sierra
boreal quartz
Wepom
livid cloak
I'm full bracers specced because i didn't know brez wasn't a tinker anymore
wanton sierra
big weap
tacit crystal
wanton sierra
what is the best weap enchant for dungeons
livid cloak
<:gladge:963970137701109820>
Nice sac bro
neon niche
Nice sac bro
🏳️🌈
tacit crystal
Nice sac bro
ty im happy about my sac
strange perch
astral talon
shy dagger
Uhm i got a good mythic track ring or the heroic rare neck with socket from the raid
I think im going neck
unique warren
shy dagger
Also i ruined my vault by looting as fury (went to clear some raids for xmog)
boreal quartz
Uhm i got a good mythic track ring or the heroic rare neck with socket from the ...
So raid b4
HC and mythic and then pick
fluid rune
is there a colossus build for tyranical? juggernaut or something
tacit crystal
prob this
leaden jasper
is there a crit softcap ?
gaunt owl
100%
thorn pelican
dry frost
fossil mantle
is there a crit softcap ?
diminishing returns start kicking in at 21k crit or roughly 41% percent iirc
fossil mantle
for colossus, I would say so. Well I mean the optimal would be around 18 to 19k based on what my sims show but I dont care. Give me those demolish crits.
vital rune
Sim says to take trinket since I have two 606's but is that short sighted? Mythic track tier set seems like the move
vital rune
619 heartstopper
fringe moon
Sim says to take trinket since I have two 606's but is that short sighted? Mythi...
wouldn't the weapon be a better choice? You can always catalyst mythic armor?
tacit crystal
619 heartstopper
there is 0 chance you dont take weapon
vital rune
Fair points, I will do that
nova marsh
a 500 dps diff between the trinket replacing a 616 and the ring replacing a 619 with a socket...
Ya know what
latent moss
diminishing returns start kicking in at 21k crit or roughly 41% percent iirc
legit doesnt matter
just sim urself
colossus will for sure go way above that
leaden jasper
?
ivory harbor
Hi all, for the Culminating gem. Should i follow raidbots or actually use unique gems for the crit % bonus?
ivory harbor
thank you sir, cos somehow raidbots is asking me to use all the same gems 😦
nova marsh
To be fair, the crit gem's effect is p minor
bronze sand
what embellishment do we want to use when crafting a wep?
thick kelp
Ascendance 🤓
leaden jasper
otherwise ascension ye
bronze sand
gotcha ty
silver socket
So, Colossus became the new shit for M+, do you guys still go for Slayer in Raids as arms? (HC / Mythic)
chrome bramble
so colossus is better now for M+? hows the single target with it better than slayer ?
chrome bramble
just thinking about the affix this week
vague nova
Someone said if you run like unholy Aug arms you could go slayer but usually colossus is more suited for m+
nova marsh
If you're min maxing that hard
sure
But it's not as if Slayer is just unviable
Both are fine
chrome bramble
always find myself in the middle in terms of dps, the group i run with has strong aoe so i try to focus on ST, i find thats where i stand out running slayer
ty for the words
nova marsh
Slayers strengths is it's well rounded
You have good aoe and good st
sigh pugs pugs pugs
Can't do the first boss of city of threads apparently
vague nova
Pugs demoralize me so much. Doing my time walking before reset I’m triple anyone else’s dps and two separate groups in a row bricked a TW dungeon and we couldn’t finish lmao. The pugs are miserable this season
vague nova
That’s exactly what I typed in g chat as it happened the first time
One group 3/4 couldn’t understand you had to run from the boss that turns into lightning balls you can’t kill And just died to them 3 times and everyone left.
It’s like I was in follower dungeon beta test and they broke in the old content
icy mulch
HOW DO YOU BRICK A TW DUNGEON?
What?
tender glen
remote ledge
@thick kelp hey, i tried both build, yours and chinese. Chinese seem to suck or i'm not doing something correctly. Yours feel very good to play
wanton sierra
mists 10 battlelord
icy mulch
Hmm, I feel like cleave should be much higher than MS.
thick kelp
<@865605822638063647> hey, i tried both build, yours and chinese. Chinese seem t...
The chinese build sucked because it was a bad build fundamentally
Like i told you when you posted the build
livid cloak
<@865605822638063647> hey, i tried both build, yours and chinese. Chinese seem t...
Share walhe build?
tacit crystal
wtf is chinese build
astral yarrow
**LET'S FUCKING GOO!**
my condolences for not doing a 10
tacit crystal
^
nova marsh
Gee it's a shame that pugging up to that is impossible at this point with my trash luck
People can't even do the first of CoT
thick kelp
wtf is chinese build
it was some horror build used by some guy who got boosted to near 3k
dps was absolutely atrocious when looking at his logs
astral yarrow
bro i just sent my condolences
tepid citrus
How are you guys living double breath from 1st boss NW 12? lol.. No Aug
nova marsh
Spell reflect, Dstance, pray
tepid citrus
Sr was up... hit for 6 mil
tepid citrus
didn't know distance matters.
tepid citrus
Nah, Paladin fell asleep and didn't sac
wanton sierra
Hmm, I feel like cleave should be much higher than MS.
yes, first time ms is top dam... i was not using massacre
nova marsh
I mean
tepid citrus
Dstance is 10%
Is that 100% confirmed? I didn't know about the distance
remote ledge
Like i told you when you posted the build
i had hope
tepid citrus
Because Intervene blocks it. Intervene only block direct attacks
wanton sierra
Does colo even benefit much from massa?
i mean, betters our execute phase on bosses, quite nice
nova marsh
LOL
nova marsh
Yeah just remeber defensive stance and you might live
tepid citrus
hit for 6mil
remote ledge
dps was absolutely atrocious when looking at his logs
could you find them
i couldnt
nova marsh
Back to back is basically the boss deciding "ha ha you die"
fading sage
DBS first, Dstance/SR the 2nd?
tacit crystal
it was some horror build used by some guy who got boosted to near 3k
found it and if you played arms for 5 minutes you would see its bad
remote ledge
found it and if you played arms for 5 minutes you would see its bad
i have not
fading sage
IP
remote ledge
but @thick kelp do you advice teh build you sent or another
nova marsh
Determining what u can live in a key
fervent glen
hmm whady'all think? already have heroic sac brood, and ring would be a higher ilevel upgrade...
But also i mean cmon, mythic sacbrood! both sim fairly close to eachother
tepid citrus
nova marsh
What's ur other trinket
tepid citrus
blurry but rip
oh well
maybe 12's is the wall
because the ST is horrid right now in 12's it feels like
fervent glen
619 skyterror, probably will get replaced from raid this week judging from others luck getting heroic trinkets lol
thick kelp
but <@865605822638063647> do you advice teh build you sent or another
Another
nova marsh
So
According to not even close
with my character stats, without DBTS you just die to reach at a 12
and that's at 616
Interstingly enough actually, according to cal evreything below a 12 heaving wretch is completely livable with just Dstance and SR
dire hinge
thank you sir, cos somehow raidbots is asking me to use all the same gems 😦
you'll want to make sure you're telling the sim to use the 4 different colored gems, which can be done here:
- Make sure you have a Blaslphemite gem selected
- Check both boxes that appear afterwards
Then just be sure to select gems of each color. This will bloat your Combinations count pretty hard, but this is how you prevent the "all single color" gem thing.
ivory harbor
you'll want to make sure you're telling the sim to use the 4 different colored g...
thank you so much Hrothmar (=
dire hinge
always 👍
remote ledge
thanks a lot, feels way funnier than fury
remote ledge
This for Colossus
with this build we still MS on cooldown even within execute range ?
thick kelp
with this build we still MS on cooldown even within execute range ?
you MS with 2x ep with that build
thick kelp
even in raid
during execute IF YOU ARE COLOSSUS
you ignore tier
only slayer needs to track it
loud wadi
only slayer needs to track it
why?
nova marsh
because slayer's MS is a bit worse off
and MS needs to be buffed to hell and back to be usable for them
over exe
twilit hemlock
Should we be holding Execute for 3 stacks of Mark outside of Execute phase?
plucky fern
why is battlelord suddently popular in this channel
like every build people link have that
its not simming well in any sim setup i tried
do i miss something
remote ledge
it's fun i guess
plucky fern
or is that just bad builds
gaunt owl
MS sux
nova marsh
Should we be holding Execute for 3 stacks of Mark outside of Execute phase?
Either that
Or if you have 2 stacks of SD
wanton sierra
dawn 10....
loud wadi
because slayer's MS is a bit worse off
I don't think this influences the fact that you should wait for double stack of Lethal Blows. Furthermore, the guides say to wait for the double stack even with colossus.
Colossus exe phase
vital rune
I can't find patch notes anywhere for some reason
Can you not stack spears anymore in NW?
loud wadi
nope
earnest loom
why is battlelord suddently popular in this channel
People don't like being rage starved in ex phase
Shrimple as
tepid citrus
We made it. LOL. Man, there are not a lot of Arms pushing keys
loud wadi
gz
sage badge
Arms owns
frigid cipher
Can’t stack spears, Stitchflesh health reduced 20%, and aboms poison aura reduced by 30%.
Think that change should happen today
vital rune
Blessed
sage badge
tacit crystal
This for Colossus
do you the difference if you play sks arterial instead of one against many massacre
in st
thick kelp
do you the difference if you play sks arterial instead of one against many massa...
Art bleeding alone is 1.8% > 1v5 in st
art bleeding is like 3-4% loss in 5t last time i checked
ove r1v5
tacit crystal
yeah 3-4% on the most pad immagineable
twilit hemlock
Either that
Thank you very much
nova marsh
man
I dunno what's worse
rolling necrotic wake or rolling grim batol
well
at least grim has good loot
nova marsh
I never said they weren't
It's just neither are particularly fun
And yes
I am very tired of playing keys with bad players tanking my fucking keys
tacit crystal
there is only one answer
olive nest
Had fotm rogue player eat six frontals in my NW yesterday
They left without speaking after the sixth
nova marsh
...am I just
not allowed to dislike running certain dungeons lol
Yeah the keys themselves are fine this season, and the only key I genuinely just hate is wake
olive nest
I didn’t really care for NW myself because of third boss bricks
tacit crystal
keys were the friends we played with along the way
olive nest
But with changes today I think it’ll be much better
nova marsh
yeah
Stitchflesh is the entire problem with necrotic wake
I mean the only boss I kinda like is Narathor
open mango
does anyone have a recommended talent page for colossus? or should i stick with slayer? new to arms and warrior in general and trying to decide if i should play fury or arms
livid cloak
What experience have people had without mbg?
livid cloak
I usually only get 3 cleaves in mbg, sometimes 2 when I mess up, I get 2
nova marsh
(probally colo, in which case I dunno)
open mango
is blunt instruments or warbreaker better for m+?