arms

[rancid willow]

who dat

[nova marsh]

He's near the portal to the spider zone in Dornagol

Trol

[rancid willow]

ok thx!

[nova marsh]

The amulet trader

[rancid willow]

Heavy Duty Embellishment Powder?

[nova marsh]

yes

[rancid willow]

ok great

I had to craft the 1H + Shield for Prot....both have embell

but I also crafted the bracers, which i use for all 3 specs.

[nova marsh]

Next time I'd just

Craft what you'd use for all three first you regularly play it

[rancid willow]

true, i needed a shield bad.

ROFL

Thats amazing

+2 sparkle

[nova marsh]

yeah it's quite amazing

Also I think the DF version still works

it's....in the wrathion citadel

God I do not miss that, shit was absurdly incovient

It's okay I still don't have my second embellishment

Cuz I'm waiting on crests lol

[rancid willow]

Im gonna do the cloak next i think

so it'll be bracers+cloak for Arms

and then I can be more flexible when I finally get a 1H+shield to drop for me

[nova marsh]

I

Am gonna shoot myself

Second time I see sac drop on a 7

[rancid willow]

😦

[nova marsh]

not to me! That shit dosen't exist for me man

Dude I need a trinket so bad

a 606 is so awful

[rancid willow]

Its neck for me! Still have a veteran track piece

[nova marsh]

Oh dude I had to craft a neck

because it didn't drop

I just full sent it

[rancid willow]

Well to be fair

[nova marsh]

Got a 619 one

[rancid willow]

I have a Hero track piece but the max rank veteran neck sims higher

[nova marsh]

My previous neck was a 580 crafted LOL

...

is the vet neck the zealot LFR neck?

[nova marsh]

It is only a 4 ilvl diff

[rancid willow]

im not wasting crests on upgrading the hero track neck

[nova marsh]

I mean

You could sim it at upgraded ilvl

[rancid willow]

is there an option for that in "top gear"?

[nova marsh]

Ye

Go to upgrade currency and make sure to max it out so the system isn't stupid

Then just hit the little +icon on it

Should have an upgrade option

[rancid willow]

k ill try it out

TY for the help

[tired sinew]

It’s been a long and difficult 10 years….

[balmy kindle]

Wake up uncle we are not getting it back

[tired sinew]

this uncle has already accepted the fact. gone but not forgotten

[half charm]

not funny this game being a warrior when no one invites

[balmy kindle]

Ow 620 too.. but that's melee dps for you in pugs, doesn't help your average pug fury is kind of bad

I pretty much can't pug 8 keys even with a clear too, so only choice is with friends or guildes

[half charm]

[balmy kindle]

Shrugs, it is what it is

Alternatively there's the unethical play prot but set loot spec to arms

Intended by blizzard, also drive your pugs crazy 🤣

[summer shore]

is there any hope for arms in m+ atm

[manic stirrup]

yeah its fine

[balmy kindle]

It's fine but you are not gonna have it easy as melee dps

[minor gust]

[dire hinge]

[vale cradle]

[thorn pelican]

real

[pulsar elk]

sup guys can i just get a fact check on this

you still use it for your opener ofc right?

[manic stirrup]

that website is out of date

[pulsar elk]

ah dang

is there any tool like that thats up to date you know?

620 ilvl getting ~80 parses in heroic

tryna figure out whats up

[thick hamlet]

u should post ur logs in #449510248579858432

[pulsar elk]

right on ill do that after this pug

went from 84 on first two to a 91 on silkran just focusing on my rotation a bit more

could jsut be sloppy play

[thick hamlet]

sounds pretty good brother

fellas i got the secret discord tech for my arms bros to get invited to m+ keys

it goes like this:

1. go fury spec
2. get invited
3. sneak into arms before key starts

[pulsar elk]

lmfaooo

[thick hamlet]

now i know this sounds weird since we know arms>fury, but they don't know that

[pulsar elk]

ive been playing colo arms in my 8s/9s and its soooo damn fun

sweeping strikes + demo is just pure bliss

[vital summit]

Nice, now make a guide how to get invited to m+ keys as fury

[pulsar elk]

i just push my own keys

less risk that way imo

never know whatcha gonna get joining pugs

[balmy kindle]

Fury > arms is a misconception by people watching crit and thinking this is the performance of average fury players

Then said guy proceeds to be below tanks in any pull where there's no small adds to pad

[pulsar elk]

xD literally

[dire hinge]

joined a key with an aug and a rogue, didn't realize the rogue was 580 until a few pulls in

[atomic mountain]

when we have a pull in M+ thats big and a mob is in exe range...

do i prio exe this one and cleave or do i follow normal rota on other mobs?

[thick hamlet]

depends on target count

and talents too

[dire hinge]

Depends more on your goal.
If that specific mob needs to die immediately, you can focus it down with execute (priority damage into one mob).
If it's an unimportant mob, likely just keep AoEing

[balmy kindle]

If you have FOB and playing Colo, likely cleave is the best choice unless it's precisely 2 targets ( sweep execute to ms is probably stronger due to EP)

If playing slayer prioritizing the mob is likely the better play though

[atomic mountain]

well i am in 8-9+ range and playing standart slayerbuild with cleave. i have big problems going higher dmg on 5 mobs than 1,8-2,2mio dps. singletraget cause i runn jugga is pretty decent and nice but it feels like i am loosing lot of dmg in packs.

allround i run my 8-9+ with like 1,2-1,5m dps at the end

are this numbers okay with like 617 gs and no good main stat pieces

[balmy kindle]

Yeah wit slayer the knock is you are using t clap , reap and cleave

[atomic mountain]

ye i do

[balmy kindle]

Assuming your group is good that dps is normal ( faster your group clears = higher damage)

Not beating good fdks and Ret for sure but it's not like they can have a huge bar over you

[atomic mountain]

mists 9+ with 28 sec rest time was 1,4 dps so on nearly full dungeon length (i died 2 times in a pig pull too)

[atomic mountain]

normaly i am at place 1 or 2 at the end. but it feels so low dmg compared to my friens that play rogue dk or shaman

[balmy kindle]

Shouldn't be too low, but if they gap you it can be either u dying in pulls or they are better players on better specs

But in that case you should be happy since they are pulling weight

The terror is when u are pugging and brown class is on top

[summer shore]

anyone playing colossus m+ using battlelord?

[dire hinge]

it plays alright, but i've been sticking with bonegrinder for now

[summer shore]

im using bonegrinder + battlelord

dropped ss

and cd

[balmy kindle]

I do use battlelord, helps smooth out rotation ( even if I know benefits are minimal)

[summer shore]

do you use DN or SoA?

[balmy kindle]

Up to you, DN helps ABIT on aoe but sOA is a huge gain on ST

[summer shore]

im doing pretty good aoe damage using soa

but still feel like st is not up there

[balmy kindle]

Yeah personally I lean more to soa as well ( using mandate too )

[summer shore]

what about bi

[atomic mountain]

so woould you say i could also go 10+ dungeons with this? few people say nah Arms is C tier and low pp dps dont even try it but i want

[dire hinge]

bitter immunity?

[summer shore]

blunt ins

[dire hinge]

ah, yeah same deal as DN/SoA.
Minor AoE gain vs Large ST gain

[summer shore]

just started using battlelord and it feels much better than using ss

sks

[balmy kindle]

That's why it's recommended to make friends

Got my self in a guild after some runs on m+ where I jumped , now I dont need to pug much

[atomic mountain]

i am socially awkward and dont know how to make friends

[atomic mountain]

ok

[balmy kindle]

then the c tier stigma is real for now

Ppl think our spec is incapable of doing aoe dmg when it's the other way round

[atomic mountain]

sometimes i search like 2-3h for a single dungeon 😦

[balmy kindle]

At 10s for sure, can't even pug 8 at 617 my self

[atomic mountain]

like i am alway the boss killer XD

[vital summit]

Go prot with arms lootspec for insta invites or make your own group

[atomic mountain]

nah i mean 2-3h for a 8+ dungeon cuase i wanna farm crests and dont even find a dungeon there XD

[balmy kindle]

Yes the unethical hack

NGL playing prot as DPS main is fun though

Healers be mad as f

[vital summit]

Blizz did us dirty, it's ethical AF right now

[dire hinge]

prot does do a significant amount of AoE when played correctly even

[balmy kindle]

If I am not wrong it does the most dmg

[atomic mountain]

but i am not close to tank 8+ dungeons and amking my own group with only nec keys is impossible cause noone wanna join

[dire hinge]

when it comes to pugging there's no perfect advice we can give you.
There's a large number of reasons people could potentially decline you, and your goal should be to minimize as many of them as possible.

[balmy kindle]

A shame , NW is probably one of the easier ones

[atomic mountain]

well they deplited my NW 10 to 6 cause ever tank goes crazy before 3rd boss and pull 2 packs. and thats just not possible when you are the only one hat uses stunns or interupts :/

[balmy kindle]

Trust me I know your pain, people stack DR or don't bother to use stuns

[atomic mountain]

i also thinked about sittin in as tank till i got few member (if you are tank the come like you are gold) nad then i swapp to dps but that feels to wrong

[balmy kindle]

Always feels good when guildes and I stagger ccs

Honestly if you wanna pug 10s fast tank is the way

All non shaman dps face stiff competition

[atomic mountain]

well i realy want a guild or group that takes me but noone want cause of arms. everytime it is "yeeee but we dont need arms warrys. if you would play something else the write again".....

like wtf

[balmy kindle]

Not like fury is that better too though

[atomic mountain]

i love playing full off meta. my 9+ Mists was wit aug, dotlock, arms, holy priest and tank monk. was the best group i ever had with the most fun.
shamans🙄

[atomic mountain]

every fury i see is trash. aoe of doom and 500k dps on bos....

mostly under tank

[sharp wyvern]

Are you sure you want to play with them after that take

[atomic mountain]

thx for Conversation 😄 you cheered up my day a bit. gonna work now 😦

[atomic mountain]

for sure not XD

[balmy kindle]

DW my group is like warrior shadow priest and shaman as well

[sharp wyvern]

They sound like the sort of people asking for resto shaman and Aug in a +5

[balmy kindle]

Sometimes shamn plays healers then we bring another rogue or hunter, mostly non meta

[balmy kindle]

The irony is that at lower key levels devastation is alot better

[atomic mountain]

this tbh XD

it also feels okay to play 3 arrys in 8-9+ went in SV wit prot fury and me. fury did aoe job i did the boss 😄 with an ele shamn

[balmy kindle]

With how dungeons are tuned, damage profile is kind of under the radar imo

People stacking mages while having zero idea on how they work

[atomic mountain]

like getting a Fury in a full cleave group and then having no dmg for the boss :3

[balmy kindle]

Yeah then going on Reddit and yelling on how x boss should be nerfed

Or x dungeon needs nerfs

[barren rampart]

I am, currently on 2720~ rating as Colossus Arms. Fire away with any questions and ill be happy to answer as best as I can 🙂

[sacred zodiac]

how does it feel to get all the women

[vital summit]

like a dream

[tranquil sundial]

why not eb?

[inland granite]

man, my itens is to play like arms but blizz dont help

100k damage with itens to play like arms in the sim

[thick kelp]

Swap to a haste neck

and dont sim with aoe talents

[inland granite]

im siming to dungeon slice

[thick kelp]

rough

Even more reason to swap to haste neck

you are simming slayer

[inland granite]

i sim colosus too, in sim slayer is doing more damage

[fickle lotus]

Can you share this Battlelord M+ Build ?

[icy mulch]

Man, not to take away from some players, but I've seen too many people that bought or just plain carried to 2600 and above.

I use to look at 2500+ player and be like, "Ok that's some skill and a team." Then I watched a streamer pulling tank dps, complain about their class, while sitting at 2670.

[thick kelp]

2700 is done by anyone who has a premade, m+ requires bare minimum player skill and relies more on communication for teamwork

[icy mulch]

Agreed

[sharp wyvern]

2700 can be pugged

[thick kelp]

Same for title push

There is a reason why title can be bought/boosted

[icy mulch]

Part of why I quit when Aug voker broke the game. None of the titles or prestige accomplishments mean anything when they can just be bought.

Anyways, sorry for derailing the convo.

@barren rampart by all means, I'd like to see the build as well. Arms has always been my fav, but mostly stuck as Prot

[astral zephyr]

I’ve been having trouble improving my dps on my warrior, my best log is a 60 (tho I’ve never cared about logs) I want to improve my overall dps in raids. Since I fucking struggle max there

Where should I start? If you know of any videos that’s a large plus my brain has a better time absorbing info by watching than reading

[thick kelp]

Read the wowhead and or maxroll guide

post your logs in #449510248579858432

hit a target dummy and apply things in guide to your combat against the dummy

[finite mantle]

I will do combat against a dummy (you)

[thick kelp]

Sword fight me dummy

[icy mulch]

Getting use to the fight and how your positioning will also help. Knowing how long you can stay in before death is a trick to master. It's min maxing, but it all helps.

[finite mantle]

[slow saddle]

And only way to learn is to die🤣

Also if its 60 on a prog kill thats fine( if its mythic)

[astral zephyr]

It’s hc

[slow saddle]

Then just do what he said play way more agressively

If u die u die🤣

Also whats ya ilvl?

[astral zephyr]

I’ll link me armory

[slow saddle]

Coz a 60 in semi gear again not horrid

[astral zephyr]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/alakir/rimmugýgur

I have shite haste

[slow saddle]

Wherd ya 2nd.embellish?

Weapon + ?

Also are u playing col or slayer?

[astral zephyr]

Lul I might have completely forgotten the embellish, not surprised since I have turbo adhd

[slow saddle]

Well step 1 get thay

[astral zephyr]

I am playing col cause I like bleed dmg and dots

[slow saddle]

Well m8

U cant rly expect to parse with 1.embellishment

• a bad hero talent set

60 is prob not horrid then

[astral zephyr]

Can u really play arterial as slayer or?

[real leaf]

so anyone have a good raid build that isnt from wowhead? they arent exactly new and with all the nerfs and stuff idk how well they work anymore

[livid cloak]

Wowhead raid builds are still good

[sacred zodiac]

wowhead builds are usually updated very quickly if a buff/nerf changes the optimal build

[zenith warren]

is arms even simming higher than fury at this point? crit said in latest video that a difference was like 10k for him

[livid cloak]

My st arms vs st fury is like 25k ahead

Its minimal

[zenith warren]

i just dont want to play spear cba

arms should be good playable on kayveza or is much worse in terms of sustain?

[livid cloak]

Is good on princess

[sacred zodiac]

should be about the same in tanking damage

fury might be better on prog cause of ER selfhealing but if your healers are properly adjusted i dont think ER would make or break a kill

[sacred zodiac]

also i want to mention this cause not everyone got the memo - you don't have to stand in spear anymore

its just throw and forget now

[zenith warren]

I know, just not a fan of playing fury on ST fights

[livid cloak]

Then play arms for them

Easy

[zenith warren]

I was just wondering, because on smolderon was a similar thing, arms was a bit better in terms of dps but fury could easly eat 2 volcanos and arms could not

and I had a fkn volcanos magnet on that fight xd

but fury played vers/mastery so that was a factor as well iirc

[dusty summit]

I just check warcraftlogs for each boss

[sacred zodiac]

wouldnt trust that too much anymore

you'll end up playing spear fury on rashanan lol

[astral talon]

Wing it

Every boss is a mystery

Cook shit yourself

You either get 100 or 1

[sacred zodiac]

look up what good players play on specific bosses, revvez outlined specific builds with cd timelines in his guide

[astral talon]

But it will be your 1

Im going collosus on worm

[sacred zodiac]

im sorry for your guild

[zenith warren]

xd

[astral talon]

Wow rude

Ill play colossus and do top dmg

Or ill roll fury

[sacred zodiac]

expressing my condolences isnt rude..

[finite mantle]

really sorry for your guild if your top daming with it too

[astral zephyr]

Oh lololol my bad I do have embellishment, I got ascension

[astral talon]

We'll see

Couldn't play on rashanan kill cuz I had 2k ms spikes 😦

[sacred zodiac]

if you play colo arms and you're top damaging on ovinax i think everyone involved is highly suspicious and maybe belongs behind bars

[astral talon]

Bro bosses are easy, lags are the true hardest mechanics

[sacred zodiac]

STOP

[astral talon]

Half my guild is lagging on every pull lmao

[sacred zodiac]

ye thats not normal

you guys looked at the optimization advice that flew around this tier?

[halcyon breach]

Hard to look at something flying around

[sacred zodiac]

although ping lag is something else

[sacred zodiac]

i think you will be flying around as i put you in the company cruiser and try to accelerate while in park

[astral talon]

Ping lag, yes

Apparently I killed my group with a web

When on my screen i was farthest from the group xD

[sacred zodiac]

noob

[astral talon]

Syck my nuts

[sacred zodiac]

idk how to help with that sorry i hope it is resolved soon

[fresh spire]

Arms vs fury on smolder

Arms fun spec

But staying Alive with 0 effort funner

Could tank like 3 tornados with spell reflect in fury

Legit turn brain off

War paint + bigger hp bar pretty op

[livid cloak]

War paint is so good

[dark hamlet]

Arms fun, Fury unga and never die, tho. Yes, yes.

[fresh spire]

Love my lower apm spec

[dark hamlet]

Love Warrior, simple as.

[fresh spire]

Miss my lower apm dpec

Soon as ovi dies never playing fury again for prog gladge

[astral zephyr]

Anybody got WA’s that track oppertunist, tier set stacks and execute stacks?

[wanton sierra]

nw11

[dark hamlet]

Pog

Pug or premade tho

[wanton sierra]

premade

[dark hamlet]

Bully the destro lock for outperforming you it's the only correct thing to do.

[sacred zodiac]

you are my king

[half vine]

Feels good to be backed by Aug

[livid cloak]

Love colossus on stitchflesh

[misty chasm]

2h sword/mace/axe to craft? i go by trasmo or what?

[livid cloak]

Doesn't matter

Pick cheapest mats or preferred mog

[sacred zodiac]

as long as its 2h and str its fine

[wanton sierra]

weap dmg matters, no?

[livid cloak]

It all evens out. Doesn't matter if you get sword axe or mace

[shadow ibex]

Within same ilvl all the same

[wanton sierra]

id ggo axe ^^

[atomic mountain]

me too

axe>sword>mace

[sacred zodiac]

its averaged out if same ilvl which it will be if you craft it

[barren rampart]

I'm gonna be honest and say that I haven't played alot with EB (Exhilarating Blows) mainly because you would have to sacrifice other more valuable talents for it such as Battlelord, which does a better job at resetting mortal strike which helps alot in ST and two target cleave. If you happen to play Blademaster's Torment in the warrior tree under Avatar for example, exhilarating blows becomes pretty much useless tbh since overpower is also quite strong right now so you do wanna weave in a couple of those in your rotation.

@fickle lotus @icy mulch
This is a kinda go-to talent build I'm using for alot of scenarios, but depending on dungeon/comp i might swap around some talents - for example give up Battlelord and 1 point in Deft Experience cuz my mastery is pretty good already, or MBG for SkS and Massacre or SD - massacre might be worth taking but i rarely go SD since SD is more valueable for a slayer

[fresh spire]

Eb bad as 0 value in execute

But fun to play with for clesve

[barren rampart]

Yeah that too

[fresh spire]

Ignore pain pretty shitty too as they never buffed the base shield of it

Alot of rage for such a small shield probs will find fueled in most cases just wins because of the additional mastery from less haste gear

What you linked other than that is solid. Only changes id make is moving bl between sks/massacre

[barren rampart]

Im using it in dungeons i know there are parts i might take alot of damage quickly that I cant avoid while simultaneously swapping to def stance (cuz f*ck arms survivability ty blizz) such as the big spider add where the first boss spawns in arakara - deep wounds healing wont save me then either xD

i mean 400k extra shield in a +11/+12... might save you, might not

However the colossus talent "no stranger to pain" is pretty useless since it barely adds anything ontop of normal ignore pain

[subtle ravine]

On Raid ST (sikran/NP), do we take Brutal Finish or Culling Cyclones post-nerfs?

I thought we stick with CC but when comparing my Logs, I noted the other guy took Brutal

[wanton sierra]

we got the best single defensive skill ever, defensive stance... its like an barkskin but its 6 sec cd

[fresh spire]

Brutal finish is bugged

It doesn't work at all

[barren rampart]

Feelsbadman to have to sacrifice dps for survivability tho, its nice having it accessible to us at all times but its not like Arms is doing well over any other class in terms of overall dps throughout a dungeon so swapping to it too much could result in sad losses

[fresh spire]

If bladestorm ends when you have 1 or 3 stacks of ID it consumes the buff instantly woth the final tick bs with the ms in it and doesn't give damage amp

Never use brutal

Tldr. Auto consumes 0 damage gain

[subtle ravine]

Thx

[wanton sierra]

nice build, idk about dreadnought.. battle lord is huge but we need 2 points on DE... sks is a very good single, or dmg prio... i might drop massacre (my execuute dam on dungeons are not that high)

[subtle ravine]

Thought so, but his DPS was higher so I wanted to triple check

[wanton sierra]

im always the lowest of dmg taken... its nice coz healer dont need to pay alot of attention on you

DR and tuuffness is an warrior hightlight xD

[barren rampart]

I looked at your character and you're moving in the right direction, you prolly want a couple more % in haste cuz 13 is pretty low, gonna help you in ST a bit. DN is pretty good for packs you just have to make sure you position urself correctly so you hit as many enemies as possible

Also yes, i wish DE was just a 1 point talent so we could have massacre too for example, would be neat

Colossus in general isnt the most amazing in ST id prolly dare to say that slayer is still better but then again didnt play slayer for probably 2 weeks

[wanton sierra]

yes im testing a bunch of builds, im always posting the results here... i dont have much time to play, i did few keys

when work become chill i shall push some score ^^

[barren rampart]

Could be because you're good at not standing in poop! Also die by the sword is amazing still, im just mad our stamina talent is a 2 point talent for 5% stam each and it sits at our bottom rows while DK's get a 1 point talent for 20% stam in their top rows - it's unfair!!

[rocky echo]

everything that Dk does is unfair...

[wanton sierra]

yes on older dungeons i know the fights, but the new ones im still learning

[fresh spire]

Paladin class tree is just as stupid too for being better

Pink class is fury warrior just better

[wanton sierra]

there is dungeons that i literally did like 2 times and now im tryin 10s

[wanton sierra]

pink class now strong xD they recieved a bunch of tunnin right?

[hazy flower]

Iirc theyre getting nerfed

By 3%

[fresh spire]

Nerf em

More

[hazy flower]

Either way ret is crazy op rn in aoe

Just lacks some st

[fresh spire]

For the unjustified 2% overwhelm nerf we got coming

Nerf em moreeee

[rocky echo]

let's nerf pink warr and red warr, let's delete death strike

[fresh spire]

Delete strike

[rocky echo]

delete DK

how can a dk tank be 1st in dps AND hps

[barren rampart]

I think it's about time Blizzard gives in and give warriors Bloodlust too like we deserve, makes the most sense that we have it

Oh and idk if anyone cares but Ive mainly pugged my way up for score, very few "premades" and alot of my own keys - tough life out there to get accepted as a warr unless you are prot since people are asking for meta comps in +7's...

[wanton sierra]

gigin us bl shall make prot god tier list, the only tank with lust

[icy mulch]

Hmm I'll have to give it a whirl. See how it feels.

[barren rampart]

Glorious 🤩

[icy mulch]

I'd love to see warrior have lust. First tank class with lust. Bout damn time.

[livid cloak]

I think I'd drop one point in bloodborne for massacre, but it's probably not much difference

[icy mulch]

We've been hounding for it since BFA.

[glossy vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

me looking at demolish damage

[slow saddle]

100% 620 here cant get into most 7s🤣

Try lookin at ms dmg

Same meme

[shadow ibex]

Pisses me off so much

[livid cloak]

I'm 627 and I can't get into 7s and 8s, I have an easier time getting onto 10s

Shits wild out there

[glossy vapor]

m+ is arguably in the worst state it's been for pugging

[barren rampart]

A bit dependant on key level i'd say, bleeds gain value the longer packs live so higher keys it could be a dps loss, again execute talents are more valuable for Slayer than it is for colossus

[livid cloak]

I've been apping as fury and swap to arms before key starts

[icy mulch]

@barren rampart Also, I don't hate dropping skullsplitter.

[wanton sierra]

how to fix arms: boost mortal strike damage, remove fatality and add mortal combo (second strike also get benefits from OP) make mortal strike hit like and truck... it would better our single, and not do much on aoe ^^ ❤️

[barren rampart]

Yeah i know right 🤣

[livid cloak]

Dropping sks for battle lord for me was a 3k sim dps loss st. And a gain in aoe

So easy drop

[wanton sierra]

droppin sks makes TR not that great, so we get warlords blademaster instead of uproar?

[livid cloak]

Roar still good for sure

Makes deep wounds and rend do more every 45s, it's solid

Still gets really good value

[wanton sierra]

ye i guess

[barren rampart]

Well yeah i mean lets say it takes 40 seconds each to kill every pack in a dungeon then you'll basically have Troar for every pack, which is pretty neat

[livid cloak]

Usually roar and demolish every pack

Its my favorite thing about colossus, you do pretty good every pack

[wanton sierra]

yes true, ready 14 stacks of col dam and fuully stacked demo... you start the pack blastin'

[limpid dirge]

14?

[wanton sierra]

yes depends on your haste

demo firts strikes also stacks

[astral talon]

Someone told me initial two stacks of demolish give col dam stacks

[limpid dirge]

ah, you mean the SS buff

thought you were talking about the demolish buff stacks that go to 10

[wanton sierra]

execute crits should also double stack demo ^^

[barren rampart]

No the initial 2 hits of demolish cleaves with sweeping strikes so it adds to collateral damage stacks

[wanton sierra]

i got an muscle memory of pressin SS while chargin... so i lose some stacks coz i need to press WB, TR, RAV, TC... so im tryin to press SS after all that

[fresh spire]

I cant remember if it was slayer or colossus where torment looked good on paper

[glass ice]

Facts

Feels that way atleast.

[fresh spire]

Issues is in practice the ss extend makes the line ups for collateral in lower keys more weird while uproar always had value

Also there is a weird interaction expending which way ss/avatar is cast it breaks the current collateral stacking

[wanton sierra]

with Blademaster torment you have 2 oportunities of blastin with colateral dam

cleave dam go hier, but idk if its worth dropin uproar

[wanton sierra]

i didnt like the warlords torment nerf (less rage) and imo the reck proc should at least last 10 seconds... 6 sec feels so little do drop an talent point

[thick kelp]

Golossus

[shadow ibex]

Yea avatar sweeping doesn't feel super necessary and only gonna delay CD buff

I guess in pure 2t

[fresh spire]

[gaunt loom]

Is there a log comparison or a ~% difference listed somewhere on colossus vs slayer performance in m+?

Nvm found it

[icy mulch]

It's feels a little better than normal, and certainly feels better in ST when you can send execute.

Much better damage spread, but I might be fucking something up.

[tranquil sundial]

Fuck I meant ep

Thought u ran the build Gelly showed the other day with bl

[icy mulch]

@barren rampart Hmm, it's not that much diff in dungeon slice sim.
Colossus Arms:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iEmca995qSVYEDTArpRfsx
Thane Fury:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kipwqqq9tYWbAdght3aUTC

[subtle ravine]

Is there a reason your wep enchant is different between the two? I thought AotD was BiS across the board

[icy mulch]

I usually play Fury, so my second weapon has radiant power. The sim wants me to move Depths to the main weapon for Arms.

Wait, no, got that backwards.

Sim wants double radiant power.... lol

[wanton sierra]

this is dungeon?

[icy mulch]

Yeah, was trying dungeon slice sim

[wanton sierra]

which dungeon?

nice dam bro ❤️

[icy mulch]

Oooh, the break down image

That was a Dawnbreaker 8, I'm helping a streamer do viewer keys.

[latent moss]

no point in radiant power imo

just double depths

fuck on st

[nova marsh]

I only went with radiant power cuz its cheaper

And I can't make it myself

[barren rampart]

I guess it's a step in the right direction, if you feel like you're screwing up somewhere it's probably an ability prio issue in your rotation - arms is probably one of the hardest spec in that sense cuz it's not always the best dps gain to press the button that lights up > which is the case for alot of specs

[subtle ravine]

On Dungeon Slice Sims, do these take into account the bosses as well or just mob fights? I've only ever Raid simm'd before

[barren rampart]

I do play EP and BL in my standard "go-to" build

[wanton sierra]

huge!! nice <#

[wanton sierra]

ive read that radiant is better... but on blood mallet and other websites says different

[nova marsh]

I think it depends on gear

It usually does

[tranquil sundial]

EP even good without massacre?

surely its not worth it ?

[wanton sierra]

may uu share it ?

[tranquil sundial]

yessir 1 sec

[nova marsh]

But the need for main stat procs is usually outdone p quick

For enchants

[wanton sierra]

nice! TOMORROW I SHALL PICK MYTH WEAP!!! then ill invest on a big enchant ❤️ hope you all get weap or bis trink

[wanton sierra]

thanks, battlelord is very good

[tranquil sundial]

he ran this in his dawnbreakers

[wanton sierra]

im runnin massacre but my execute dam on overall is not that high

[tranquil sundial]

cos no execute on rashanana

[wanton sierra]

and yes, massacre on dawn is not good, coz of that boss

how about EP? its good on execute phase

[barren rampart]

Yeah makes sense right? So you see sometimes depending on dungeon and key level you do better swapping some talents around depending on what the dungeon requires - so he opts in for keeping good aoe and specs the best ST he can achieve outside execute talents

[tranquil sundial]

yeah but

have you seen the sweeping execute animation?

dont do that as much with the other build

[barren rampart]

Why i play EP without massacre? it still works well dealing with prio adds and cleaving it onto other mobs after an aoe burst and the mobs hp is low and also still works for bosses in high keys, keeps ST maintained in execute phase along with Blord. I doubt SkS with blord would gain me more value than EP overall in a dungeon, maybe, could try it out

[candid orchid]

Why does avatar come after thunderous roar and not before

[barren rampart]

The damage is still there tho even if the number is late or doesnt show up at all and animation is weird

[subtle ravine]

So it seems Battlelord is the play for Colossus. Do we have numbers on % difference between Colossus Arms and Slayer Arms in M+ for ST and MT?

The FAQ says that Slayer is just flatly better, but it looks like this might not have been updated recently since Skullsplitter is noted above Battlelord and Torment is still recommended

[nova marsh]

Colo is more aoe specialized

With passable st

Slayer is more of a jack both

Good st good aoe

[wanton sierra]

i feel slayer is better on 5-9s... slayer got sustained damage, and colossus is spike damage

[barren rampart]

GCD, if you pop troar first and avatar immediately after they go on the same gcd

Now i have to double check so i dont lie to you lmao

[candid orchid]

Do I need a macro for it then?

[astral talon]

now thats a good fucking build

#1 fun build

[candid orchid]

Like am I not putting avatar buff on roar?

[thick kelp]

its dynamic

[barren rampart]

Nvm what i said they go on the same gcd regardless of which one you pop first

[wanton sierra]

blast TR damage is not that great, so when you avatar the rest of TR will recieve benefit from ava

[icy mulch]

Dungeon slice takes a boss fight and a couple trash packs and puts em together.

[vital rune]

On Skarmorak, is it ok to leave a crystal or two up if you have the damage for it?

[icy mulch]

It's a buff, depends on your healer I guess.

[candid orchid]

Ok makes sense ty

[tranquil sundial]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4bgsJ3oMxeAf5fnZ5UbUVn only lil bit behind in ST

seems to be less variance

in bl

[astral talon]

nice trinkets

ill sim mine O_O

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/99AJ2oAGsEXfjXWKQ95QVt

very similar

[tranquil sundial]

is no shard

[astral talon]

checking both builds now actually

[tranquil sundial]

or transmitter

[astral talon]

exe stuff gives me 25k more dps

imma stick to left side of the tree

[tranquil sundial]

yeah

i mean BL is easier to play correctly

less priority stuff

[astral talon]

ye

[tranquil sundial]

just press MS and OP lol

[astral talon]

its comfy

i enjoy it more on aoe as well

because i can get mad cd reduction on demolish

[tranquil sundial]

yeah

[astral zephyr]

How does it feel in keys?

[tranquil sundial]

Havent played it enough myself but from what i did it was good

execute becomes slam sub 20% and you'll juggle between OP and MS

[dawn root]

Anybody have both transmitter and shard? Ever since switching to colossus for m+ transmitter makes me hate my life

[astral zephyr]

Elaborate please

[dawn root]

Shard worth using even if a bit worse?

[tranquil sundial]

you dont use execute unless you have cd on MS & OP

with that build

essentially it becomes slam

[astral zephyr]

Ahh okol interesting

So it’s just MS > OP > MS > OP until no proc and then exe

[ancient sedge]

Hey QQ - can the BOE 620 shoulders get flipped to a tier piece with the catalyst?

[manic stirrup]

its good

[teal fossil]

Should work

[glossy vapor]

colossus felt amazing in keys

demolish is up for every pack

[teal fossil]

Is bladestorm not also up for every pack with slayer cdr

[still oasis]

Why is arms rated so low for keys? Seems like a solid spec

[teal fossil]

Cuz others are better

[still oasis]

What is it lacking though?

[wanton sierra]

coz there is better options with better toolkit... doing damage is important, but doing damage and helping with healing and controling is way better

[livid cloak]

Damage, brez, off heals, lust

[still oasis]

does fury bright different cc?

[livid cloak]

No

[still oasis]

Bring*

[livid cloak]

Fury lives easier and currently has the reputation of doing more damage

I see roughly the same dam on both specs

When I play

[wanton sierra]

fury is just more popular coz its an intuitive rotationwise... and i belive the fantasy of being an crazy beserker blastin, instead of an tatical arms

[livid cloak]

Fury is just easier

[wanton sierra]

build rage -> rampage... repeat with big cds now

[livid cloak]

Rotation is easier enraged regen is incredible, warpaint is amazing

Why they nerfed arms passive avoidance is beyond me

That was so weird

And tbh, most arms warriors suck. All the ones I've pugged with in raid or while tanking have been quite awful

[still oasis]

I’ve been consistently pulling really solid dps, but haven’t gone over 10 on my arms alt. Do they fall off on those mega pulls you need in 12s?

[livid cloak]

No, arms does well in mega pulls due to cleave and roar

And demolish

[wanton sierra]

that is true, no one likes us coz our gameplay is counter intuitive... i know i know its easy as heck, but there is many arms that are learnin and few accually pros

[livid cloak]

But they don't live as easily as fury

[still oasis]

So really it sounds like a utility gap - same damage as other popular specs just missing the glue that can keep pulls together outside dps

[livid cloak]

Its utility but mostly community perception

Why take arms when you can bring ret or dk which will do more dam and have brez?

Or enhance that will do more damage, give skyfury, lust, and can solo current affix

[still oasis]

Yea that’s what I’m thinking. Still though, seems odd that data shows arms warrior as one of the worst dps specs in the game and fury as pretty solid when they shouldn’t be much different

[livid cloak]

That data is likely based on timed keys? Idk where you're pulling this info

[still oasis]

Archon.gg and wowmeta.com

Both should be reliable, and both have arms as, well, dog shit tier

both are crafted using data from keys run

[livid cloak]

So at those highest lvls most will play fury rn

[wanton sierra]

i belive we are talking about the gameplay gap... since there is alot fewer arms, the gameplay gap tends to be more expressive... there is some who can manage to do 13s and there is tons who cant complete an 5s... since this gap is insanely big coz few players, the overall rating drops

[livid cloak]

Because it's same damage if not higher and lives easier

[wanton sierra]

and fury, most of warriors are fury, and the gameplay is intuitive (i got friends who never played warrior before and are blasting parses and high keys as fury) so the gameplay gap from a pro fury and an noob fury is not that big

[livid cloak]

Arms currently has fewer players doing keys than feral druid

According to maxroll

[latent moss]

damage

[wanton sierra]

true, since our toolkit is not great, our damage should be great

ppl should consider bringing an warrior coz it blast damage, this difference should be good enough to make ppl consider us

[grand idol]

We actually have lots of things we can do but when you look at other classes it seems like so little.

its more that the overloaded classes are overloaded.

[still oasis]

I mean every class is overloaded outside of like warriors and priests right

[grand idol]

prune some of that back and it would be a far more level playing field.

[still oasis]

So instead warrior and priest need to be brought up rather than everything else down

[misty chasm]

based on the amount of copycat of streamer who play fury...if tomorrow some "Names" start playing arms in high keys,we will see a shift from common players
casual play what is fun to watch,not what is fun to play

[livid cloak]

Inhave been playing some fury since the mountain thane changes

And it's pretty fun

[wanton sierra]

yes, true

ppl dont like arms coz its "slower", has less hp, less healing... "if im bringin an warrior to my key, it should be the better option"

arms indeed need some love

id love to see fatality reworked, or changed... id love to see an decent spear build...

bring sks back

not this version that feels that it does nothing

[agile crown]

should've picked a death knight bro

[wanton sierra]

since legion as warrior, i love arms

i complain but ill not reroll xD

[misty chasm]

bring an arms to your own key,problem solved

if you aim to do +12/14 maybe fury is a good choice

else,arms is good too

sound like "my body,my choice" but it make sense

[red viper]

Does second wind apply to this affix? Obv there’s inherent aoe damage that would stop this but otherwise there’s times when it would kick in. Would it heal it off if it was given the opportunity?

[wanton sierra]

it worked thru bolster.. idk the name of the afix, way back

now i dont know, i belive not

[red viper]

Bursting?

[wanton sierra]

yes!!

bolster is the one who buff the adds, hated that one

[red viper]

Yea agreed, really just trying to understand why people are taking second wind over something like rallying cry or intimidating shout

[livid cloak]

You dont

You take it instead of overwhelming rage 2/2

[wanton sierra]

i mean, second wind healing is really low talking about overall

its nice to have but not a must

veteran vitality is decent

hey! does veteran vitality works even if aecond wind not talented?

[shadow ibex]

Vitality is a baby heal

12%

[wanton sierra]

imagine if veteran viltality worked until we reach 80%, insane heals xD

[cinder imp]

How should I use Mad queen's mandate for arms?

If anyone could help with that I'd appreciate it

[minor gust]

What's your second trinket?

[shadow ibex]

On pull

[cinder imp]

Sacbrood

What I'm doing is, charge -> queen-> then normal cds

I do the trinket before rend and before everything, straight after charge

not sure if I am doing it correctly

[minor gust]

if your just using a passive trinket for your second no need to overthink anything just send queens on cd and on pull

basically take this idea with any pure dmg trinket no thinky just use

[dire hinge]

It does have a channel, so you can do it after charge, or honestly just use it at 1sec before pull as long as your tanks have misdirects/tricks/taunt/etc rolling you should be fine.

Little spicier to precast in keys, especially with pug tanks.

[clear rain]

holdup is mortal always prio in our single target rotation ? is there no expetion

[dire hinge]

When that thing crits during first Mist boss’s damage amp

[sacred zodiac]

p sure you technically want to press it after your opener after CS expires in some fight timers

if you don't know exactly what you're doing though just send it prepull and whenever it comes back

[dire hinge]

Pre-execute it’s very high in single target. During execute phase you only cast it when it has been buffed up and/or Rend is about to expire

[thick kelp]

Would even go as far as holding it to be after Avatar

if playing 2x onuse

otherwise just charge queens -> opener

[clear rain]

iudk why i thought overpower has prio when u get oppurtunist

[sacred zodiac]

is there a fight where double on use is optimal tho

[thick kelp]

Well double on use meaning transmitter+ queens

[sacred zodiac]

as opposed to mandate + ara kara

ya

[thick kelp]

Ovinax mainly (only)

[sacred zodiac]

ok if you play arms on broodkeeper i will personally send you a strongly worded email

[thick kelp]

woah

@calm vessel Wernt u gonna play colossus arms on ovinax

[thick kelp]

Also u can play first boss + 2nd boss if u wanna pad on adds

[sacred zodiac]

is fury not better at those fights aswell or

[thick kelp]

Silken I wouldnt play 2x onuse since Queen lines up nicely for amp phases

What fight is fury not better at

[sacred zodiac]

court and st

[thick kelp]

arguable with ST cuz they stay alive better

[quaint bloom]

any1 have a cooked arms build in pure ST that drops skullsplitter and picks up battlelord to make it feel more like last season arms?

[thick kelp]

And I can see thane doing ok on court

[sacred zodiac]

im not convinced of fury ST yet

[thick kelp]

no

Not doable

[minor gust]

a lot of ppl having been choosing to play fury on princess

[sacred zodiac]

thane cant be doing too well if literally no one is trying it that i know lol

[quaint bloom]

god damn i hate it how it plays

[thick kelp]

Slayer fury is like simming equal to their Arms since their main gearing is towards fury

ex. critcake said hsi fury st was like only 6k behind his arms

and fury lives better on princess which matters now that it is not a dps check

[minor gust]

yee

[sacred zodiac]

idk i dont think this is a real argument given how ilvl driven gearing is currently

you equip mythic items if possible and try to itemize hc track items but thats p much ony rings and neck ig

[thick kelp]

Ye basically

But the ST difference is small

[sacred zodiac]

and arms sikran neck is a very real argument

[thick kelp]

after the big slayer arms nerfs

I think only fight I would tell anyone to play Arms on is Court

and thats it

[minor gust]

constantly nerfed because of fury feels good

[sacred zodiac]

ye sure i can agree to that

[minor gust]

if your raid doesnt need the add dmg on 4th boss Arms feels really good on that fight

[thick kelp]

Yeah but then again other specs do ST better and fury does the adds the BEST

so rather just make your warior play fury and let others ST

[sacred zodiac]

idk arms kinda nuts on rashanan

[thick kelp]

Fury can basically solo the adds on rashanan too

if you time your shit properly

[sacred zodiac]

but ye you should probably play fury unless you have a second warrior that is playing fury

[minor gust]

my team has 2 warriors I just went arms and he solod the adds

[thick kelp]

Yeah

[minor gust]

I crushed on boss dmg

felt really fun

[sacred zodiac]

played it in hc earlier its just nuts

i think i was 50 mil ahead of the next guy lol

[soft viper]

with colossus is one against many a shoo in with bonegrinder?

[old urchin]

This is the case in my guild and it’s great. I love Arms and he gets to play Fury which he loves.

[lethal acorn]

Outdamaged a 626 arcane mage in a +8 CoT (ilvl 618 Colossus Arms)

[clear rain]

OK thats why i was confused as slayer overpower gets prio with opportunist buff active

but colossus is diffrent?

mortal is prio no matter what

[lethal acorn]

dmg breakdown

[lethal acorn]

And no I don't play on an ultrawide, I just cropped the top of the screenshot

[tepid citrus]

It's shameful how many times I apply to arms and never get invites, but switch to Fury and get invited... Just to switch to arms on the timer countdown lol

[lethal acorn]

Arms colossus is great in M+, the real ones know

[limpid hornet]

imagine Wow players having more than 1 braincell

[livid cloak]

1.14m as a 626 mage should be a criminal offenses

Someone arrest that man

[lethal acorn]

[wanton sierra]

huge!! nice bro! big mortal strike dam

[leaden jasper]

what's the crit cap ?

if there is one

[halcyon breach]

100%

(Sim yourself on raidbots with topgear/droptimiser)

[worthy otter]

Ah arms channel

Who even does PvE as arms man

[livid cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[humble hollow]

Can someone please explain why every m+ build uses instruments and no warbreaker? Makes no sence to me

[livid cloak]

If you want more aoe dam, take warbreaker, if you want more st, talk blunt inst

[humble hollow]

Ok ty

[livid cloak]

Blunt gives 3 seconds longer of in for the kill but

Its not as popular as it was a few weeks ago

Most people seem to take BI for slayer builds, and warbreaker for colossus builds

[humble hollow]

Isnt warbreaker better for i4tk since it is more likely to grand 20%?

[livid cloak]

I prefer warbreaker, just giving you the reasoning why BI is in the wowhead builds

[humble hollow]

Ok thanks man

[livid cloak]

👍

[dire canyon]

trying to make a premade wa for sudden death and it just sits in the unloaded section for some reason, anyone else had this issue? all my other buffs work it is weird.

[lime glade]

why dont you thunderous roar in avatar?

[livid cloak]

The initial hit from roar doesn't do much, the bleed is your money maker. So it frees up more impactful gcds to be used during avatar

Like cleave, ms, op, slam, cs

So you preferably get rend and roar off before you pop avatar

[wanton sierra]

how do i check favorite message

[obtuse totem]

Is there any viable alternative for skullcrusher builds with slayer for M+ that people are using? it feels so shit to use

[lethal acorn]

I have a m+ build with no skullsplitter but it's colossus, not slayer

[obtuse totem]

Aight, I'll experiment a bit, Im not a big fan of Colossus but I'll take it over skullsplitter any day

[lethal acorn]

I personally only like skullsplitter for raid

[obtuse totem]

Yeah its fine then, but in M+ it just feels ass

[lethal acorn]

I play colossus in raid but sometimes I go slayer since it's 4% better for ST

[cunning pond]

Anybody else not having MS refresh rend below 35% hp in delves?

[obtuse totem]

I just prefer Slayer overall

I like the weaved in slayer strikes more than that fyralath clone ability

[lethal acorn]

That's fair, I got stockholm syndrome with that ability

[obtuse totem]

For me I already hated having to use the axe, was glad when I saw that slayer existed lol

[wanton sierra]

how about this

[obtuse totem]

I simmed exhilerating blows instead of skullsplitter, seems to be a good dps increase with my gear

Ill try that one too

[wanton sierra]

maybe change MGB for sks or massacre

[obtuse totem]

Oh thats a colossus build again, Im trying this with slayer currently

[wanton sierra]

true warriors are colossus

xD jokin

[cinder imp]

I got a question for the gamers, I crafted a 636 2H weapon with haste mastery as I was a fury main, now I swap between them. Fury for aoe, Arms for ST and I have been enjoying arms more. Do I wait for another spark and craft another 636 weapon for arms or do I craft a plate item with an embelishment and use my second fury weapon as my main arms weapon, or do I just recraft my weapon to crit mastery and get the best of both worlds for both specs?

[manic stirrup]

swap mbg for sks

[shadow ibex]

Can't wait for an MS buff

[wanton sierra]

yes i think might be better

i feel that, if im takin EB i shoud massacre too

[manic stirrup]

sks is more than massacre st and aoe

[wanton sierra]

but there is no place to swap talents, i mean, i can drop 1 bb

idk, i think its worse

[manic stirrup]

mbg for sks

no toher changes needed

[wanton sierra]

is it the build that you are runnin, master choco?

[manic stirrup]

recently yeah

wallhe converted me to battelord

[wanton sierra]

damn walhe! i just played sob 10 (we broke) but i tried battlelord, and it betterns the gameplay

i got the mad queen trink champion version, shouud i play this on dungeons ? hits quite nice but i dont like the cast of it

[shadow ibex]

I wish I could turn all my haste into crit when playing col

[wanton sierra]

~my stats xD

[teal fossil]

Good stats

[shadow ibex]

Saw a socket raid belt with crit haste but no way I was getting it cuz I got socket haste versi from first boss

[hazy flower]

40/40/10/10

Bis

[shadow ibex]

I cri everytiem

[ionic reef]

For m+ so I want to go Colossus or slayer?

[tacit crystal]

either are fine

[wanton sierra]

hey, critial thinkin refund rage is good? i mean 1 point

[teal fossil]

It’s probably worse than most other points you can do

[wanton sierra]

i was lookin some dungeon tips on maxroll and i noticed their build for m+, and they pick critical thinkin

[shadow ibex]

I think colossus is pretty lax on the cooking

As long as you got the important stuff you got some floaty points

[manic stirrup]

meh

[leaden jasper]

wait what

blue silken linings don't stack ?

[icy mulch]

I did a couple keys today as arms. It's was pretty good. Little spiky, and I miss bladestorm, but it's solid.

[rare kite]

you in dragonflight still mate?

also yeah they did stack

[leaden jasper]

why isn't my vers increasing when i equip the second ?

[rare kite]

idk, try reloading

probably relaunching is better

[leaden jasper]

ye nah

my vers stays the exact same

[opal folio]

Drop your health below 80%

[leaden jasper]

alright

[opal folio]

Mount and dismount from a height

[leaden jasper]

ye

it worked

thanks

was scared for a moment

[opal folio]

That same bug existed for BSL in Dragonflight

[leaden jasper]

that lowkey rings a bell

but my memory is fish

warror bbrain

[reef glade]

Could also prolly right click the buff then it reapps no

accomplishes same thing I would think

[nova marsh]

This is good enough for tomorrow

Next week 10s?

[minor gust]

I believe in you

[nova marsh]

Trinket

PLEASE TRINKET

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

End my suffering

Blizzard has made fun of me for not taking the sac brood first week for the entire season

i get it, leasson learned blizz trust the sims LOL

[rancid vapor]

can someone explain why top warriors are stacking haste/mastery for raid?

is that ideal stats if u want a raid build?

returning to arms

so im not "hip" on the current meta

[hazy flower]

they just follow the sim

and its possible

[nova marsh]

A. dealers choice of gear B. Sims

[hazy flower]

they just gear for fury

[minor gust]

ppl grossly overestimate secondary stats on warrior

[nova marsh]

Top players usually play both specs

Honestly in general

[rancid vapor]

im playing arms

[hazy flower]

I played all 3 specs on kyveza prog...

[minor gust]

get new piece of gear and sim

[rancid vapor]

i know fury better in some fights but idc

[minor gust]

not any more complicated than that

[thorn pelican]

ya i mean haste mastery sounds fine for both specs so w/e right

[grand idol]

So true.

[minor gust]

theres no stat warrior hates

all stats are good

[rancid vapor]

im having fun w/ arms

[grand idol]

I guess a lot of other specs have really polarizing stats. I've let me class knowledge slide ever since dragonflight launched.

[minor gust]

yeah theres some spec still that have stats they genuinly hate and want 0 of but warrior is not one of those classes

[icy mulch]

Like hunter.. that seems to only want crit and more crit

[hazy flower]

haste was simming 20% higher than int for my fire mage

till I paid 500k on mythic pug for a 2nd boss ring

[nova marsh]

As in gear pieces or stat weights

[hazy flower]

stat weights

was just curious how big is haste

[minor gust]

Same with Slayer arms Haste > Str

[nova marsh]

don't listen to them

[hazy flower]

after I saw getting diff ring on same ilv was 30k dps upgrade

well obviously

[nova marsh]

Stat weights are kinda outdated

...

wait

Holllyyyy

Fire is fuckedddd

[icy mulch]

?

[hazy flower]

I just wanted to see how much was haste simming for compared to everything else

[nova marsh]

30k on a ring for a stat change is wild

[hazy flower]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1ZvaMQCT68hx8akpzRiUMZ

yeah a bit

[nova marsh]

I mean I rember when aug launched

People told me that aug literally couldn't equip gear without mast cuz it was just a loss

[tepid citrus]

Somebody had to do it for Arms. lol Ole' Orckbolg dragged it

[lavish siren]

Why is EB not taken for ST, seems like such a good talent

[manic stirrup]

15 ms hits no crit is crazy

[torn rivet]

yo guys

does sweeping strike -> bladestorm (with unhinged) stack collateral damage?

[shadow ibex]

no just demolish stacks

[fading isle]

sadly the unhinged MS doesn't proc the demolish stacks

[torn rivet]

ah i see

[fading isle]

unhinged hero talent

get it?

f me

at least the 3m cleave are godly

[torn rivet]

yea i did notice when I have unhinged talented I hear odd voices on bladestorm

its as if they're saying ...bad things

Unhinged things.

[fading isle]

if they could "fix" that... colossus might be the way

[torn rivet]

its just, I can't see a reason to use sweeping strikes + mortal strike in 4+

to stack the collateral damage

am I guys nab or its good to use cleave in those situations

[fading isle]

you don't, just cleave

it stacks too

I think

[torn rivet]

no no i mean

this one

[fading isle]

I think I'm confusing the other talent

[torn rivet]

im not maximizing its usage and i was wondering when do u guys do sweepingb strikes + mortal strikes

[fading isle]

It's very weird

[torn rivet]

it is

im unsure just how to go about it

like, I just can't fit it right

[fading isle]

3+ enemies just OP it

sometimes MS, sometimes Execute if you have it

[torn rivet]

but above all, Cleave

[fading isle]

Doesn't the sweeping strikes and the extra slam from Cleave work?

Lol

It does

[torn rivet]

I dunno

it does?

[fading isle]

So with 2+ enemies it does

cuz the talent only works with 2 or more enemies

So yeah, you can press cleave everytime to maximize it

It does count

[balmy kindle]

Unless you are playing without fob (slayer on m plus) cleave is always better

On slayer it doesn't really matter much since u just press for reap procs

[torn rivet]

I see

awesome , thanks!

[balmy kindle]

Mostly because unbuffed ms is like mortal stroke

[torn rivet]

mortal noodle

[clear rain]

how is raidbots spell prio decided?

is the dev doing it

or its simmed to know its priority

[nova marsh]

Look

Can't call it a mortal stroke

Because that's actually fatal. Unlike Ms without 500 multipliers

I could do more damage with a pool noodle then ms does

[balmy kindle]

Ok mortal tickle

[nova marsh]

THERE YA GO

[balmy kindle]

Because it legit tickles

[nova marsh]

Ms.is somehow just as inconsistent as demolish

[balmy kindle]

Demolish trucks at big packs though, but some dungeons, particularly GB and DB I tend to like slayer more due to the reduced pack size

Was running with guildies and felt kind of anemic outside of crits when pack size is 2-3 targets

[boreal quartz]

Ye GB is a slayer jugg key

100%

[balmy kindle]

For jugg do you think it's worth on m plus ? I tend to lean towards the uptime being kind of eh but boss damage is nice though

[boreal quartz]

I talent it for the spider keys and GB where bosses wall progress

Not packs

[balmy kindle]

I see, not like there's any other better talents to spend the point on

[boreal quartz]

Killing the thing that kills you times key

[ionic reef]

which is better form+ atm slayer or colossus

m+

[clear rain]

i actually hate skullspliter so much

such an extra spell

but its best damage so

[boreal quartz]

Depends on key

[ionic reef]

lets say a 7

[thick kelp]

Meant dungeon not level

[ionic reef]

ah

[river ridge]

Than don't talent it. Ez pz. I don't, still timing 11s

[balmy kindle]

I tend to lean to Colo since it has more crowd control (4 s stun ) and better dmg on big packs, but as mentioned on GB and DB I am favouring slayer instead

Lower pack count on pulls = slayer has better value.

Similar case can be made if your group struggles with boss damage

[tranquil rapids]

Yo outside of execute i have a fuck ton Of rage that’s normal i assume?

[balmy kindle]

Yes if you are slayer

[tranquil rapids]

Rip ignore pain spam

Yo so in execute it doesnt matter that we press overpower just that it resets?

[tranquil sundial]

nexus prince 95 percentile over 1 day

Fury even better on ST now

[tranquil rapids]

Did the changes already go through?

[tranquil sundial]

what changes?

[tranquil rapids]

Thought warrior got gutted soon

[tranquil sundial]

already did and will another time next week

[tranquil rapids]

Shieeeeet

My guild just needs a back up battle shout in case our 1 guy can’t make it, so I’m learning the ways of zug again

[wary dune]

Please don’t make me play fury on princess prog

[clear rain]

fury is omega boring

arms is like 10t imes more fun

[tranquil rapids]

I dont think 5k is enough to give a shit

[tranquil sundial]

dps wont matter but survivability will

[simple grove]

agreed

[clear rain]

is colossus tankier than slayer?

[cinder dove]

yes, you get a bit of dmg reduction, a stronger second wind in parallel of second wind (it has cooldown though, 1 min if i remember right) and better shockwave

[rare kite]

That's coz of downtime. Arms gets giga punished when mechaniced on princess

[chrome comet]

is Arms playable with Fury Gear?

Or how much dmg loss is that

if I have more mastery over crit

[edgy solstice]

not a big deal

neither spec is super dependent on any stat

[chrome comet]

Thanks

For some reason my arms dps is really bad, I think my rotation has problems 😦

[wary dune]

So it’s a Die by sword vs FR angle? Or

[edgy solstice]

yes

and warpaint is way better than IP or deep wounds healing

[wary dune]

Yeah, true

Hate playing spear in fury tho feels so unnatural

[balmy kindle]

Die by the sword >> enraged regeneration

Of course in cases where you can heal through enraged is likely better

[edgy solstice]

which is almost all

ER is significantly more effective hp

outside of one shots ofc

[balmy kindle]

Well you cant really heal through white damage in m+ and the 100% parry from dbts is pretty handy if the move can be parried

[wary dune]

We’re talking about princess tho

[balmy kindle]

Well princess if you get the mechanic there's.orbs too

Idk unless your group can handle dodging orbs

[wary dune]

Ye but if you get mechanic you’re out of melee and punished more in arms cause of AM

[balmy kindle]

Usually I just pop potions and defensives

[wary dune]

Fury you still play RA in ST

[balmy kindle]

Kind of evens out once u hit 35% but otherwise yes

Then again I am not on mythic

[wary dune]

Also a factor.

[balmy kindle]

Princess Is a very lame fight even on heroic imo

Otw to good parse - gets 2 twilight massacres = ok

On my guild kill last week (just hit 5/8) , I am still on top but it's mostly because exe phase took forever

[tranquil sundial]

warpaint >>> arms defensives

dbts is only way nicer in m+, in raid ER and DBTS are the same

[maiden notch]

is web eruption on broodtwister deflectable?

[tranquil sundial]

ER is better in raid overall

cos u get dam reduct and u heal it right up

[storm lark]

How is IP for Princess?

[edgy solstice]

dbts isn't nicer in m+ either. just has niche uses or in case you rip aggro

anything that's not a one shot mech, ER >

[tranquil sundial]

well ripping aggro happens alot in m+

sometimes even mid pull cos demo so its kinda arms specific anyways

atleast with pug tanks

[balmy kindle]

I think if u are competent it's not a problem but most fury just press buttons and die

Ofc you can chalk it up to tank issue , but this is why I like dbts

[balmy kindle]

I use it all the time in raid prog, dmg absorb is still absorb

[balmy kindle]

Warpaint is nice no doubt esp with the near 100% uptime ngl

[fresh spire]

Enrage regeneration op as you heal so fucking much from bt/bb during it

Legit can sustain so much damage from the he self hesling

[edgy solstice]

grabbing aggro is almost always an error on the tank or your own part but ya, errors happen. dbts def has value in that

[cinder dove]

it is really good when our tank overpull and dies; while he gets cressed i tank for a few seconds with the wombo combo of dbts, def stance, spell reflect

[edgy solstice]

oh yeah, ofc. it can save a key sometimes

and feels real good

[cinder dove]

yup! ..but yeah, it just happens from time to time, while warpaint is always active

[daring heron]

Enraged regen is a way better defensive than DBTS