And if its ass ill swap to fury
#arms
astral talon
thorn pelican
its awkward trying to line shit up
astral talon
So I gotta perform well there
Afaik theres adds all the time
Meaning if I can get sweeping strikes in, ill have cs demolish every 30 seconds
boreal quartz
Afaik theres adds all the time
ur job is turboshit on infest adds mainly
astral talon
ur job is turboshit on infest adds mainly
Good enough
Colossus
Almost like aftershock, but worse š¦
I miss my blue cockslap
silent atlas
Has anyone completed Zekvir ?? as arms?
silent atlas
kk
manic stirrup
i tried for a few pulls
just straight up worse for what warrior is good for on that boss
tacit crystal
both
fleet sinew
https://i.imgur.com/nssZK0d.png
rank 30 on hc mates
tacit crystal
still lost to zhai š¦
fleet sinew
zhai is 58
tacit crystal
we love 450 ansurek kills
terse plume
lool
fleet sinew
jesus
thorn pelican
?? difficulty zekviir was a lot of baiting cones away from the egg im trying to kill
and fitting in charges to remove the debuff
shits annoying
mandate made killing eggs way easier tho
thorn pelican
yeah its been done
didnt know the spell reflect or meld tech that woulda been useful lmao
drifting apex
Do we have any reason why blizzard destroy the arms warrior is it because with stats in S2 S3 we gonna be broken or something like this or is it just pure hating?
sterile trout
Hello, quick question, can someone tell me how can i make a macro, on one button to apply rend / skull breaker when rend is up on the target ty
astral yarrow
Hello, quick question, can someone tell me how can i make a macro, on one button...
that isnt possible
sterile trout
Why is it impossible
void geyser
colossus is simming better than slayer for me in MT... also on a dummy it seems to do better - have I been out of touch with the meta lately?
sterile trout
colossus is simming better than slayer for me in MT... also on a dummy it seems ...
Exact, i just get more than 1m on dummies on a kinda long fight
as colossus orms
void geyser
5 target dummy and 5 patchwork sims both have colossus ahead of slayer right now for me
teal fossil
Why is it impossible
because blizzard doesnāt want you to compress your whole rotation to one button
sterile trout
unlucky
teal fossil
Yeah I hate it too when I have to play the game
teal fossil
5 target dummy and 5 patchwork sims both have colossus ahead of slayer right now...
Colossus does well in sustained cleave
But m+ is not sustained cleave
Theres still bosses or lower/higher target counts
Mobs with different health
Etc
nova marsh
because blizzard doesnāt want you to compress your whole rotation to one button
People really want one button rotations so badly
Just go play classic lol
manic stirrup
colossus is simming better than slayer for me in MT... also on a dummy it seems ...
colossus is good
it just loses in st to slayer pretty significantly
aoe owns though
void geyser
Colossus does well in sustained cleave
yeah, so I know it will be hard to sim for (aside from dungeon slice) but does that mean I just cross my fingers and hope slayer is better? simming for dungeon slice is a 5.7% diff which is huge by my book https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6AyyRwM5buM7uxmcbskZXM
Slayer underperforms in burst aoe: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rm1kJxazbUNoVcdZ6NAWao
And sustained aoe: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iBoPdbcmjwbDhCtJzENnat
nova marsh
Tbh both are fine
void geyser
your talents are outdated in both specs
š heh this is news to me, but also why I'm asking (because I have not had the chance to play much lately)
nova marsh
Might not be when blizzard nerfs slayer again, but still both are in solid spots
teal fossil
Both are fine in m+
boreal remnant
And if its ass ill swap to fury
demolish lines up with all the eggs at least
nova marsh
Hell both might even be fine in raid soon
boreal remnant
but your job as a warrior is destroy adds insta and nothing else in the game is able to put out 90% of their damage in 3 globals
nova marsh
....my guy
If you need that done, roll fury
That isn't arms
Arms has always been the boss killer, not the pad spec
void geyser
literally what fury does is explode on demand
teal fossil
The biggest thing to consider for colossus is that your stacks can drop in between pulls
boreal remnant
It's not pad if the adds actually need to die fast
void geyser
The biggest thing to consider for colossus is that your stacks can drop in betwe...
yeah, which is why I run with a sicko tank that chain pulls lmao
nova marsh
It's not pad if the adds actually need to die fast
It's still pad imo
boreal remnant
Whatever ST you gain from playing arms will never trump the ST that your raid loses by having to focus the adds more
boreal remnant
correct
nova marsh
It's not really it's speciality
boreal remnant
arms isn't brought at all
nova marsh
well obviously
teal fossil
Bursting adds is a damage profile that is less needed as the tier goes on
nova marsh
This too
boreal remnant
Yeah
nova marsh
And fury does it better
boreal remnant
But the context of this whole thing was playing colossus arms for ovinax prog
boreal remnant
Fury does it so good blizz shot it in the foot
and it's still miles better than any other spec at burst damage
manic stirrup
if you are an arms player, colossus arms is fine
on ovinax
i tried it a few pulls and it was fine
manic stirrup
fury is obviously better but its not actively griefing if youre only an arms player
shadow ibex
i got myth track mark i nvault too
nova marsh
I mean being a one trick is bad
nova marsh
But the world dosent end and you wipe 40 times because ur arms
manic stirrup
few weeks ago was only like 5 pulls
crimson steppe
Anyone try a full direct damage build? Without Rend/Tclap. I feel like it flows/plays better but is way less damage 
thorn pelican
i think its easier to learn fury and blast ur cds than it is to make colossus work on brood
nova marsh
Anyone try a full direct damage build? Without Rend/Tclap. I feel like it flows/...
You can try it
shadow ibex
arent really any direct dmg talents to take in that row besides MS reset
sacred zodiac
die spear die
sacred zodiac
i think its easier to learn fury and blast ur cds than it is to make colossus wo...
cd usage on that fight is a bit more nuanced than usual tbf
nova marsh
Spear would be cool if it did actual damage
sacred zodiac
being an uptime slave is cringe
nova marsh
It's kinda trash
sacred zodiac
spear is just incredibly uninspired
sacred zodiac
warr has 3 capstones, 1 that you always take and the other two you have to pick one of but they're both buttons that you just press every 90s
sacred zodiac
warr has 3 capstones, 1 that you always take and the other two you have to pick ...
great i feel so inspired every time i open the talent page and look at warrior
crimson steppe
I yearn for legion arms.. feel like its gotten watered down every expansion since... excluding maybe Dragonflight
manic stirrup
Anyone try a full direct damage build? Without Rend/Tclap. I feel like it flows/...
playing without rend/thunderclap is unplayable
teal fossil
Spear and roar are just two variations of the same thing
edgy solstice
all the dot talents are too good
crimson steppe
yeah i just didn't roll Arms to maintain my dots
teal fossil
Hasnāt rend existed since dawn of time
crimson steppe
It had synergy even back then
sacred zodiac
yeah idk i dont think you roll arms if you werent looking for some sort of bleed maintenacne
nova marsh
People be actin as if we're a fucking shadow priest
crimson steppe
it's just boring, even in WoD Rend had a purpose, it also used to increase crit damage
edgy solstice
ya rend giving you a charge of OP every 3rd tick been in since 2008
crimson steppe
I mean it doesn't change your rotation at all, its hit it forget it lol. I'm not saying it's difficult to do, it just feels bad to press
teal fossil
it's just boring, even in WoD Rend had a purpose, it also used to increase crit ...
They baked the crit damage baseline btw
nova marsh
Dude evreyone says evreything feels bad to press
manic stirrup
it does change your rotation
you have to press it
if it didnt change your rotation it would be passive like deepwounds
applied on auto attacks or some shit
crimson steppe
it does change your rotation
edgy solstice
it's not really hit it and forget it when you have to reapply it
teal fossil
Consumed made it really impactful to the rotation
But also kind of degenerate
I love making my next mortal strike miss mastery
edgy solstice
but ya, i do think we're about a tier set's diff away from running completely diff talents
except unforch the dot ones
sks/troar/bloodletting/bloodborne are way better than the other talents in their tier comparatively
teal fossil
Bb is just frankly overtuned
Though not by much
If you nerf it to 6/12
Then itāll be worse than eb on st
Bloodletting is locked in
Sks is locked in
edgy solstice
eb/sos is interesting bc we're at that point where we have too little rage to kinda justify eb but too much rage to benefit from sos
in terms of colossus keys at least
shadow ibex
i hate sos
1/3rd of a free cleave when its super cake to afford anyway
i guess technically less than 1/3 since its not 33% 
i think it'd be cool to do like 5 cleaves EB in a row and if that made/break the ability to afford them but also that's super expensive talents just to boost aoe dmg in a row filled with important ST stuff also
and col already got dark ST
edgy solstice
spiteful serenity tier inc
shadow ibex
what would even feel good to drop for EB for ST as colossus
rank of bb with new artery?
edgy solstice
i wouldn't even think about it
shadow ibex
sad feels
edgy solstice
spending rage on ms in colo keys already feels bad without eb
shadow ibex
i like how cleave and MS just swap places with slam in m+ depending on target count
ST? cleave filler as last prio when no OP stacks
edgy solstice
can take slam off your bars completely and not even notice a diff
manic stirrup
what would even feel good to drop for EB for ST as colossus
you dont need eb for adequate st
shadow ibex
i mean if in theory it was good
manic stirrup
play the battlelord build with sks instead of massacre
edgy solstice
at least make precise might and blord work with cleaves also
shadow ibex
if in theory EB was good what would even feel good picking it up for
manic stirrup
if you really want more st damage, arterial bleed over 1v5 is viable as well
edgy solstice
should play all 3 if you're prioing ST
shadow ibex
cuz everythhing else is all mighty bleed talents
shadow ibex
i wish col stacks did something for MS
idk
i guess thats just practiced col hero passive
edgy solstice
i kinda like the loose idea of spend stacks, burst with the debuff up, then dots carry via arterial to your next demo
but it's rough rn
edgy solstice
blord not doing shit for cleave, precise might not doing shit for cleave, ravager being a rage crutch despite mbg kinda being a shit talent for cleave
yet cleave still does the most dam
doesn't make sense
teal fossil
rank of bb with new artery?
Nah because itās multiplicative
edgy solstice
shit at this point i'll just take fatality immediately proccing at 30% instead of reqing a execute
fringe moon
tclap and rend too im sick of that
Yeahā¦should just be like fob and actually do damage to the primary target like rend but with spread
edgy solstice
i don't mind tc anymore ever since ww got taken out
having 4 rotational aoe buttons between tc/ww/cleave/dn was dumb
shadow ibex
i would trade frontal/3 target MS for having WW again
idc if its just lowkey a frost dk with slam/frost strike and ww/glacial advance
edgy solstice
i'd prob be happy if we never saw ww again. thinking back to SL S4 where we just mashed fob 27 gcds in a row makes me wanna uninstall again
edgy solstice
ngl
I thought DF S2 tier set was the best of the three
Being able to prio mobs without sacing aoe was so good
shadow ibex
i think it was just a worse s3
with the aoe tclap
cuz that one actually hit hard
ur talking about the lil wave right?
teal fossil
The frontal did 0 dam
It felt like they forgot that a 4pc needs to do aoe
So they slapped it on
teal fossil
i think it was just a worse s3
Aoe clap was so good
Arms s3 was fury s1 if it was food
Good
teal fossil
But people wanted s1 because it simmed higher
latent moss
needed a few buffs xd
edgy solstice
frontal wasn't 0. could've been better but dots still made up the bulk of your aoe anyway
arms 2T and prio dam was arguably the best in that season tho
teal fossil
frontal wasn't 0. could've been better but dots still made up the bulk of your a...
3.5% in top logged underrot
Not very impressive for 4p
S2 arms was good but was good despite the tier
shadow ibex
idk i think s2 was like half a letter grade over CN arms
maybe thats a bit harsh
1 letter grade
nova marsh
(rend top dmg)
I did enjoy og sks
But....s2 and s3 of df arms was...lowkey a dot spec
hazy flower
and u didnt have to worry about rend in aoe
shadow ibex
sir
manic stirrup
it was fine numbers wise in the raid
teal fossil
S2 arms has way too passive of a tier set
manic stirrup
one of the better non mage/sin rogue options in m+
worked very well on some of the fights
nova marsh
season 2 arms was good
Yes it was good
hazy flower
3.5% in top logged underrot
ye wasnt that good
hazy flower
wouldve been alr for a talent
kinda like dn except for ms
minus the ms dmg amp obv
manic stirrup
this was rank 1 nelths lair 28
manic stirrup
talents go crazy
teal fossil
What about 16 neltharus
manic stirrup
what
teal fossil
Yep
hazy flower
talents go crazy
are these not
teal fossil
He set the benchmark
hazy flower
autumnboy
manic stirrup
gg bro
hazy flower
gg
daring silo
What fight style do we use to sim keys?
nova marsh
just patchwreck st
Typically the ST API is much more accurate
And you'll see better results
for cleave, patchwreck 5 targets is what's typically used. I don't know about fight duration
manic stirrup
What fight style do we use to sim keys?
sim st, i do 8t 90 seconds some ppl do 5 targets, and dungeon slice
compare resulsts
serene viper
Hello! Anyone can recommend me spell to use? What spell needed and donāt needed to use?
Srry my bad english
fringe moon
Hello! Anyone can recommend me spell to use? What spell needed and donāt needed ...
Look at the dps FAQ for talent builds
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715
edgy solstice
3.5% in top logged underrot
just the frontal tho ya?
serene viper
Look at the dps FAQ for talent builds
https://discord.com/channels/1488722107427...
Thanks.
teal fossil
just the frontal tho ya?
we did talk about the frontal
and adding the MS damage its only like 2-3 more %
vital rune
nova marsh
Just remeber
at least you have a rotation that isn't more boring then a history leasson
buoyant quail
How bad is capping rage? I feel like I never get my rage to 0
tacit crystal
grtting to 0 is almost impossible unless in execute with how the class is right now
nova marsh
Your rage bar is cosmetic until 35%
manic stirrup
How bad is capping rage? I feel like I never get my rage to 0
doesnt matter follow the priority
rancid willow
Its so wild to see how mmuch damage havoc DH can do in M+....
nova marsh
I saw a havoc peak at 7 mill
Pretty cracked, but I know that's penauts for a big pull
hazy gyro
What are people doing overall on arms right now?
I been playing on my shaman and ignore my warrior this week but at like 616 or so Iām do like 1-1.2nil overall rn
limpid hornet
How is arterial build compared to the previous one ?
paper ingot
does arms not good ?
silk spade
doesnt matter follow the priority
streamer choco hooooly
manic stirrup
you see the vision
slow saddle
Arms = ok but fury and prot better choices
nova marsh
You will only play arms if you actually like it
If you don't you will play a good spec
slow saddle
You will only play arms if you actually like it
If they fixxed collosus i would by making eb and battlelord good
nova marsh
Honestly I love how people are talking about arms as if collusus is the only tree that exists
Idk I kinda find it funny
I like current arms kinda. It's p chill...but like...please bring back Battle lord
It is a disgrace that that talent is crap.
tepid citrus
What are people doing overall on arms right now?
Depends on group comp but anywhere from 1.5-2.0
uncut raven
Arms has lots of matters. Using rage, gathering rage, Ignore pain, avatar, anger management, excute, etc. In dragonflight, arms received poor tier set in season 1, 2, 3. so, we choose the season 1 set that is just damage buff in season 4 and this season, too. I think warrior developers don't know about arms warrior. In this situation, we just look forward 10% damage increase to Mortal Strike and a 10% increase to Cleave. The developers don't have the ability to fix this in any other way.
teal fossil
Arms has lots of matters. Using rage, gathering rage, Ignore pain, avatar, anger management, excute, etc. In dragonflight, arms received poor tier set in season 1, 2, 3. so, we choose the season 1 set that is just damage buff in season 4 and this season, too. I think warrior developers don't know about arms warrior. In this situation, we just look forward 10% damage increase to Mortal Strike and a 10% increase to Cleave. The developers don't have the ability to fix this in any other way.
gaunt owl
Arms has lots of matters. Using rage, gathering rage, Ignore pain, avatar, anger management, excute, etc. In dragonflight, arms received poor tier set in season 1, 2, 3. so, we choose the season 1 set that is just damage buff in season 4 and this season, too. I think warrior developers don't know about arms warrior. In this situation, we just look forward 10% damage increase to Mortal Strike and a 10% increase to Cleave. The developers don't have the ability to fix this in any other way.
simple grove
Arms has lots of matters. Using rage, gathering rage, Ignore pain, avatar, anger management, excute, etc. In dragonflight, arms received poor tier set in season 1, 2, 3. so, we choose the season 1 set that is just damage buff in season 4 and this season, too. I think warrior developers don't know about arms warrior. In this situation, we just look forward 10% damage increase to Mortal Strike and a 10% increase to Cleave. The developers don't have the ability to fix this in any other way.
thick kelp
Arms has lots of matters. Using rage, gathering rage, Ignore pain, avatar, anger management, excute, etc. In dragonflight, arms received poor tier set in season 1, 2, 3. so, we choose the season 1 set that is just damage buff in season 4 and this season, too. I think warrior developers don't know about arms warrior. In this situation, we just look forward 10% damage increase to Mortal Strike and a 10% increase to Cleave. The developers don't have the ability to fix this in any other way.
boreal quartz
Arms has lots of matters. Using rage, gathering rage, Ignore pain, avatar, anger management, excute, etc. In dragonflight, arms received poor tier set in season 1, 2, 3. so, we choose the season 1 set that is just damage buff in season 4 and this season, too. I think warrior developers don't know about arms warrior. In this situation, we just look forward 10% damage increase to Mortal Strike and a 10% increase to Cleave. The developers don't have the ability to fix this in any other way.
quasi torrent
gather deez instead
tranquil sundial
are the overwhelmed nergs still happening 22 october?
might aswell delete warrior if they are
fresh spire
They are on the ptr currently
cloud gyro
Arms has lots of matters. Using rage, gathering rage, Ignore pain, avatar, anger management, excute, etc. In dragonflight, arms received poor tier set in season 1, 2, 3. so, we choose the season 1 set that is just damage buff in season 4 and this season, too. I think warrior developers don't know about arms warrior. In this situation, we just look forward 10% damage increase to Mortal Strike and a 10% increase to Cleave. The developers don't have the ability to fix this in any other way.
tranquil sundial
gusty oxide
Arms has lots of matters. Using rage, gathering rage, Ignore pain, avatar, anger management, excute, etc. In dragonflight, arms received poor tier set in season 1, 2, 3. so, we choose the season 1 set that is just damage buff in season 4 and this season, too. I think warrior developers don't know about arms warrior. In this situation, we just look forward 10% damage increase to Mortal Strike and a 10% increase to Cleave. The developers don't have the ability to fix this in any other way.
tranquil sundial
They are on the ptr currently
if they go through it'll be like a 3% nerf total or smth?
compared to b4 the slayer nerfs
fresh spire
its slightly less than 2% given stack time
tranquil sundial
crazy
fresh spire
archi posted it in war updates channel Slayer Arms down -1.3% in single target, down -0.9% vs 5 targets.
tranquil sundial
archi posted it in war updates channel ```Slayer Arms down -1.3% in single targe...
this is what is live
overwhelmed stacks aint live yet
regal birch
wait so we are bottm of the bottm even with arms on later bosses but we STILL keep getting nerfed
in a week or so?
fk this just fk this
just tell us you dont want us to play warr
bluzzard
icy mulch
Looking at colossus and the Arms tree.... man we need a rework for it to make sense.
quasi torrent
legs needs to be shot
worldly kernel
dont doom yet you can still make it work 
shy dove
help guys
I just joined a key and someone said
this is oce, you good with that
what do they mean!?
quasi torrent
Surely if youre east coast its more
worldly kernel
TLDR 1 second delay on your abilities
shy dove
ohhh
quasi torrent
130 (x2 roundtrip) is still just barely over a quarter of a second btw
And with spell queueing that is barely an issue
issue is some ground effects will be desyncd noticably
sacred zodiac
TLDR 1 second delay on your abilities
me when 1000 ping
shy dove
thanks gents
little nova
Am I better off just going fury for M+? Maybe it's just a me thing but I feel like I'm hitting like a wet noodle in m+ as arms
tacit crystal
play what you like
tranquil sundial
i feel like it depends on stats too
my fury dam has been way lower than arms
atleast in big AoE
In ST fury is mediocre where as arms just blows xd
little nova
In ST fury is mediocre where as arms just blows xd
Good blows or bad blows? š
boreal quartz
bad
tranquil sundial
yeah
buoyant cargo
Am I better off just going fury for M+? Maybe it's just a me thing but I feel li...
Or consider playing prot. Prot is really good right now after the nonexistance of other tank specs than VDH in DF.
little nova
Or consider playing prot. Prot is really good right now after the nonexistance o...
I have a tank I play with tho
boreal quartz
i mean what spec do u do more dam on
if u dont do any on arms fury doesnt guarantee any either
uncut raven
This is my colossus tree using Battlelord. instead of skullsplitter, using sudden death and finishing blows for singletarget. Can you give me some advice?
boreal quartz
you need fervor of battle
like DIRELY need it
or cleave doesnt give you collat stacks
little nova
i mean what spec do u do more dam on
Well, I'm entirely stated for arms, so I've not tried fury yet, but I just feel like I'm slapping with a wet noodle, lol
boreal quartz
you can more st if you spec massacre than finishing blows
uncut raven
When I'm in excute time I just wanna more rage.
Massacre is good but.. I don't excute because of no rage..
silent tendon
did they fix warbreaker?
boreal quartz
When I'm in excute time I just wanna more rage.
blord and shaman is all u need
and if you charge rage is generally fine in exe ngl
uncut raven
OK. Thanks. I'll do it.
livid cloak
Sim it
latent moss
is this fine?
y
latent moss
is not taking sks bad?
no
vast surge
guys, what can i drop from our m+ build to pick up bitter immunity?
overwhelming rage?
boreal quartz
ye
vast surge
cheers
astral zephyr
Is there a Arterial ST raid build or is it strictly multi target?
slow saddle
Jesus fucking christ
can warlords torment get a buff soon ?
for real
Problem is collosus is so far behind on st
why build a ST build
astral zephyr
why build a ST build
I mean facts, fuck it let's try the Arterial build on HC ansurek
slow saddle
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balmy cradle
is it normal to be last in st damage in bosses with colossus or am I just ass
gaunt owl
Yes
balmy cradle
in that case is it better to go slayer because the st is so bad
gaunt owl
if you need the extra damage yes
or you can just keep playing what you prefer and try to max it as much as possible
main agate
I like the theme of it. I feel like I'm the Mountain from GoT, swinging around a massive hunk of steel
gaunt owl
can depend on your gear stats too
vast surge
bitter immunity is so shit
a 3min CD
what kind of dick head thought that was a good idea
vast surge
just remove the healing portion and make it a 1.5min CD or 1min CD so we can do the affix reliably
3 mins is idiotic
boreal quartz
remember its been in the state it is for 3 years
rapid bronze
It was meant as a PvP talent but theyāve given up balancing PvP as well so youāre stuck with 3 mins
vast surge
silly
boreal quartz
theres tons of silly stuff in our tree
vast surge
i know but this one really got me, I want to be useful in the dungeon but bad design is holding me back
rapid bronze
Iām glad they nerfed rally so that resto shamans can have that extra hp utility since theyāve been lacking in that department
vast surge
oh rally
why not make Rally have debuff like sated so you can't stack them and then just make it more useful in both raid and m+
rapid bronze
That would involve not being spiteful towards the brown class
slow saddle
bitter immunity is just fine no ?
it helps every second one
just hold it for a real pressure situation
worthy notch
Hello guys,
are the slayer talent tree for raid and M+ on icy veins and wow head on point ?
slow saddle
its only hard to heal // dispel that shield, if theres a pressure situation just before hand
quasi torrent
it used to remove bleeds
it did that during one beta bro...
boreal quartz
it did that during one beta bro...
Yep and it's been trash since
fleet sinew
https://i.imgur.com/kOivYlO.png
clapped some cheeks on ansurek
livid cloak
Nice
tacit crystal
he already did
nova marsh
Easy
Play with the shitters
Truly is the downside of arms
Good for prog, trash for farm
halcyon breach
So proud of you Chiche
are you happy
I'm playing Arms
Having so much fun right now!!
halcyon breach
Idk if I can go that far
@swift crown
Schmidi is already taking up the mantle
By being called Schmidismash
jade cargo
i was smashning way before shmidi
halcyon breach
True but Schimidi is a powerful disciple of warrior
jade cargo
not care - am Papa of all warriors
swift crown
I just press stupid little buttons on this stupid little class
nova marsh
guys it's time to reroll ret
tacit crystal
you late to the 2nd character
astral talon
New dh spec when?
sly venture
Rashanan adds don't count on Warcraft logs?
dire hinge
they will again soon
livid cloak
Yeah just go full st
reef glade
if adds are killing ppl and arenāt dying fast then ethical thing would be yea save aoe for em or go fury
but surely group is full of details padders that 1shots them before they even melee anyway
rancid willow
Anyone swapping IFTK with TOM for M+ arms Slayer?
thick kelp
no
sly venture
2 stack 4 set wa someone?
astral yarrow
basically any warrior weakaura suite on wago my man
sacred zodiac
basically any warrior weakaura suite on wago my man
uwu aura reigns supreme
astral yarrow
uwums
sly venture
Afenar don't have it. Try Luthxos or instead?
astral yarrow
its just tracking an aura
you can make it yourself with the templates
if your pack of choice doesnt have it
dont think afenar gets much love after release
sly venture
Ah, never done that before. Will look into it after raid lol
teal fossil
Hekili tracks it
manic stirrup
i only update it when it breaks lol
sacred zodiac
atrocityui doesnt track it
easy fix
nova marsh
Ya know
I swear some people are such altaholics they are actually helpless
Like it's really bad
dreamy spire
Can someone tell me in what situation you could pick Spiteful Serenity? It just feels like a Dead Talent for over 2 Years now. I never used it once, in Raids, M+, Battleground or Arenas... so i really dont know whats the point of this talent.
nova marsh
There isn't one lmao
It's a dead talent.
SS is probally one of the worst talents blizzard have ever designed
dreamy spire
nice
only scenario in my head would be leveling an arms warrior and pick it, because u dont have bladestorm at this point
nova marsh
Not even lol
AM gives signifcantly more value, due to giving similiar uptime AND not almost cutting the damage bonus in half
also consider Spiteful affects avatar
And honestly in a leveling enviorment it kinda dosen't matter. You could skip the choice node if you really wanted to take a sillier path to BS
sacred zodiac
spiteful serenity will be insanely on the 20 minute boss where u stack fatality and then want to stack an omega large ToM to pop it
sacred zodiac
and is a 99% damage reduction for the 19 minutes
vast helm
Arms has lots of matters. Using rage, gathering rage, Ignore pain, avatar, anger management, excute, etc. In dragonflight, arms received poor tier set in season 1, 2, 3. so, we choose the season 1 set that is just damage buff in season 4 and this season, too. I think warrior developers don't know about arms warrior. In this situation, we just look forward 10% damage increase to Mortal Strike and a 10% increase to Cleave. The developers don't have the ability to fix this in any other way.
sacred zodiac
Arms has lots of matters. Using rage, gathering rage, Ignore pain, avatar, anger management, excute, etc. In dragonflight, arms received poor tier set in season 1, 2, 3. so, we choose the season 1 set that is just damage buff in season 4 and this season, too. I think warrior developers don't know about arms warrior. In this situation, we just look forward 10% damage increase to Mortal Strike and a 10% increase to Cleave. The developers don't have the ability to fix this in any other way.
dreamy spire
i liked the DF s3 set... was the best one for along time.
worn flax
š
astral talon
Arms has lots of matters. Using rage, gathering rage, Ignore pain, avatar, anger management, excute, etc. In dragonflight, arms received poor tier set in season 1, 2, 3. so, we choose the season 1 set that is just damage buff in season 4 and this season, too. I think warrior developers don't know about arms warrior. In this situation, we just look forward 10% damage increase to Mortal Strike and a 10% increase to Cleave. The developers don't have the ability to fix this in any other way.
astral talon
At least colossus in m+ is mad fun
nova marsh
I feel bad for liking slayer at this point lol
sly venture
Can someone explain the copy pasta memeing?
manic stirrup
every time someone says some insane long ass paragraph it gets copy and pasted
over and over again
regardless of if theres any merit to the original paragraph or not
astral yarrow
regardless of if theres any merit to the original paragraph or not
critcake deserve the yellow name because of his domiance as a warrior and modesty
deswind got yellow name because some connections here and he pushes some high keys from time to time but if you want my personal opinion he doesnt deserve it as he is kinda arrogant and it this was taken by multiple people
Garms was active before he got the yellow name after that he barely helps anyone these days
Jakey is the mastermind in this discord and is believed to be the leader here , some info says he is the real mod of this discord he has deep connection with archimonde and the 3 valkyres
Sense is barely active these days , he got the yellow tag because he is related to one of the mods here .
Silmarliern is helpful and funky from time to time .
Xantage seems a good new guy i don't know much
halcyon breach
manic stirrup
how old is that lmfao
crimson steppe
This channel is kept alive by like the same 5 people 
nova marsh
This channel is kept alive by like the same 5 people <:Whuh:1072540013033697292>
Because arms is omega dead
Trash spec
astral talon
This channel is kept alive by like the same 5 people <:Whuh:1072540013033697292>
Every channel is
dire hinge
Trash spec
sacred zodiac
chat hows my prot uptime
how did you lose 0.4% vantus uptime
sacred zodiac
stay spherical king
dire hinge
sage bison
daring heron
chat hows my prot uptime
your shield block uptime should be the same as your vantus
silk spade
critcake deserve the yellow name because of his domiance as a warrior and modest...
So weird walking in a WARRIOR discord and seeing stupid ppl like @sacred zodiac defending the nerfs. Did i sub to the wrong server? Wtf
astral yarrow
So weird walking in a WARRIOR discord and seeing stupid ppl like <@1648003710577...
regarding the demand of warriors i know its less and tbh evey famous warrior here like benzai for example he wouldn't allow 2 to 3 dps warriors to be in his guild because that threatens his existance in the guild even if he is leader or guildmaster warriors tend to have that envious gesture when a new warrior dps try to threaten their position unlike mages hunters or warlocks where you can simply can see them stack and treat each other as a family
silk fjord
whelp wish luck
rare kite
whelp wish luck
you'll be fine. sikran is ezz
silk fjord
any build people are doing?
mellow seal
#removeskullsplitter
silk fjord
knowing the fury rotation better does more damage tho
nova marsh
This is also true
static niche
hey guys, does colossus smash increase the bleed damage from skullsplitter if applied after CS?
balmy kindle
Hit 2000+ rating finally and there goes any motivation to play m+ for this week
nova marsh
hey guys, does colossus smash increase the bleed damage from skullsplitter if ap...
Yes
nova marsh
Hit 2000+ rating finally and there goes any motivation to play m+ for this week ...
Kinda same ngl
was gonna spam a bunch of 4s to max out runed because I'm a dumbass whoose ungeared af
I'm 26 off of cap LOL
warm ocean
Damn wrong channel
balmy kindle
I'm 26 off of cap LOL
Oof, it took my like 7 tries to get the last 20 points or so
In the end keyed GB 6 +2 for the ksh so I can go play a monk alt
nova marsh
I want to play my shammy
then I realize I do tank damage and have no gear
Also
Zevkir is bastard and beat me up for all my gold in repair bills
static niche
Yes
ty, does thunderous roar damage increase if used after applying CS also ?
Or is it fine to cast prior to CS
nova marsh
ty, does thunderous roar damage increase if used after applying CS also ?
Cast pre
Snapshotting does not exist in wow
vague nova
Is arms down bad in m+? Our raid arms does well but I havenāt seen 1 all season in m+ only fury
static niche
Should BS be delayed until CS is off cd ?
teal fossil
yes
nova marsh
Send all cds on cd
static niche
kk, also hence Skullsplitter does more damage when applied after CS, is it fine to sync those 2 cds and use CS and SS right after the other ?
Avatar is the longest GCD I've seen so far, so should I use it with Colossus and BS ?
static niche
I thought there would be like a major burst if I was to use some of those cds with other cds
manic stirrup
if avatar/cs is coming up in the next couple seconds you can hold bladestorm for a FEW SECONDS
basically all of our buttons desync
static niche
yes
manic stirrup
resyncing them super optimally can lose casts
static niche
Okay I understand
Ty for the help guys ^^
Btw I've got transmitted/ mad queens for ST
But queen's is 619. I was wondering if replacing it with Ankara's which is 626 would be better for ST ?
minor gust
sim it
static niche
Tbh I myself saw bigger numbers when running mad queen's
On ST
Kk ty guys, Im fr fr done now ^^
balmy kindle
Mad queen Sims alot higher for me, but I don't have sac brood so..
But this is mostly ST. On aoe it's kind of eh
static niche
Yeah, I got as high as something around 1.80M on ST with Queen's, whilst I can do as high as 1.40M with Ara's
Yeah, arms isnt as impressive on aoe
balmy kindle
Yeah, arms isnt as impressive on aoe
It's more of the trinket, arms aoe is quite good if you play colo
static niche
I haven't tried colo yet to be fair
I will check it out tomorrow when I open my eyes 
chilly anvil
Do you send Demolish on the go, or save it for 10 stacks?
balmy kindle
Do you send Demolish on the go, or save it for 10 stacks?
Try to build stacks before sending, on first pull openers use sweeping to ravagers
Like unhinged will easily put you to 10 stacks
vague nova
Do we use slam in aoe? I didnāt think we did checking guides unless we had literally nothing to press but a guildies said it should be higher on my breakdown
balmy kindle
And u will have time to demo with warbreaker buff
chilly anvil
Yeah, but I mean more for those times when you can't go in with stacks
balmy kindle
Yeah, but I mean more for those times when you can't go in with stacks
Try to use cleave or ms to build some stacks u have time with the debuff
chilly anvil
Since I'm hitting CS and shit on go, dunno if I wanted to hit Demo as well or just save it
nova marsh
Mad queen Sims alot higher for me, but I don't have sac brood so..
But this is ...
dude I'mma cry
trinkets don't exist
chilly anvil
Mmm
nova marsh
Let me out of orator and a vet mark hell
balmy kindle
I got lucky on normal clear with guildies and TW, so I can run mandate as on use with one passive ( the haste trink from Uldauar or ritual knife)
nova marsh
I just got a crappy cloak
balmy kindle
Let me out of orator and a vet mark hell
Orators nice in that it's off gcd
nova marsh
I don't mind orator
balmy kindle
Mandate being on gcd is
nova marsh
Cuz I just macro it to CS to save a keybind
balmy kindle
Same, but I like mandate as Colo as it really helps in boss damage
nova marsh
man I wish I had a mandate
balmy kindle
Well do normal clears and š
nova marsh
True
Honestly I love groups where I feel like all bases are covered
and ST dosen't struggle
balmy kindle
Honestly I love groups where I feel like all bases are covered
People stack meta classes and ignore damage profile on pugs and wonder why it's so hard
nova marsh
"ALL S T IER CLASSES IN ONE GROUP?
"KEY MUST BE EASY OR I REEEEEE!"
I like going fury to pad a bit more tbh
balmy kindle
The thing with fury is that if your group has fury you need someone who can do boss damage
nova marsh
This is very true
balmy kindle
Because lil bro is going to be just slightly above tanks
nova marsh
What I like about arms so much is...well...it's kind of a jack with the right build
decent st decent AoE
balmy kindle
Not slighting fury btw
nova marsh
I mean fury has always had trash ST
balmy kindle
But most ppl don't play it like critcake
Like guy actually does alot of dmg but he's still 2nd or 3rd on ST bosses
Most pug fury will be below or just above tanks
Which is terrible considering the tuning now
nova marsh
Honestly I think the actual reason I left fury was cuz I got tired of the horrid ST
Feels like it's one of the worst ST profiles in the entire game
balmy kindle
Feels like it's one of the worst ST profiles in the entire game
Overnerfed
Like crushing blow doing less than 1m on full buff crits
nova marsh
Even before TWW it was overnerfed
balmy kindle
Is a crime
nova marsh
All of fury just feels like a wet noddle in ST
rancid willow
All of fury just feels like a wet noddle in ST
hated that about fury...
I love the single target "boss" specialist feeling of Arms
nova marsh
arms just feels pretty well rounded overall
rancid willow
now if they can bring Colossus a little closer to Slayer in PVE i'll be thrilled.
balmy kindle
arms just feels pretty well rounded overall
Agreed. Most of our issues is gameplay related, not really numbers
nova marsh
Slayer is nice because it's not a master at AoE or ST
rancid willow
I LOVE Colossus in PVP
nova marsh
it's kinda just good at both
rancid willow
its insanely fun
nova marsh
Agreed. Most of our issues is gameplay related, not really numbers
well they'll be numbers soon
If blizzard keeps aiming strays at us
balmy kindle
I **LOVE** Colossus in PVP
It's pretty poggers in m plus too, demo trucks packs
rancid willow
yeah?
balmy kindle
And you can actually keep up with meta specs
rancid willow
i tried it, higher keys I always feel like im trying to set up too much
balmy kindle
And help team with 4s stun
rancid willow
had to dump Transmitter for M+ too...
nova marsh
Personally I kinda gave up with keeping up with those dirty meta gamers
rancid willow
between setting up a Demolish and playing a mini-game with my trinket...
rancid willow
mid-fight
nova marsh
Personally I just don't like mini game trinkets and find them an-oh wait sorry I was about to spread misinformation again
nova marsh
So colossus more aoe and slayer more well rounded then?
Yeah basically
nova marsh
Well
rancid willow
Personally I just don't like mini game trinkets and find them an-oh wait sorry I...
what "misinformation" are you insinuating that im spreading
nova marsh
Not like I'll ever have it anyways
rancid willow
I gave an opinion.
nova marsh
what "misinformation" are you insinuating that im spreading
Not you, me. rereaed
balmy kindle
So colossus more aoe and slayer more well rounded then?
Just different damage profile
nova marsh
Because I got told I was spreading misinformation here by calling it annoying
manic stirrup
@vague nova colossus is just the best for arms in aoe
unless u have a mega aoe comp
rancid willow
i have to try hard to beat him and im 6ilvls higher
manic stirrup
and lack a lot of st
manic stirrup
fury st in m+ talents is fine
balmy kindle
It's not in the pug groups thoug
Lil bros are making brown class look very bad
No shokwave
manic stirrup
i mean like if youre playing unholy aug arms it could make sense for you to be slayer arms
nova marsh
Wait what
balmy kindle
No utility specced
nova marsh
People not using shock?
HERESY
OF THE HIGHEST ORDER
This is like those warriors who swear off defensive stance cuz "MA DAMAGE"
balmy kindle
Yes I had. 2650 guy on NW tell me what's that
balmy kindle
I talent into shockwave to not use it
And that's how warriors are not invited 
nova marsh
I will break my reputation of being trash this xpack
I will become a good fucking warrior
vague nova
I used to main survival and arms in DF praying for a defensive stance esque Talent for sv. That shit is nice af
balmy kindle
4 sec stun in m plus is godly idc what others think
minor gust
And that's how warriors are not invited <:sadge:820202363359854633>
nah im higher ilvl than most pugs and stomp dmg I get my invites
nova marsh
Dstance is quite literally one of the best defensives in the entire game
balmy kindle
nah im higher ilvl than most pugs and stomp dmg I get my invites
Great if u are the 620++ range most of us here are not
manic stirrup
so is spell reflect
balmy kindle
Granted if u are 625++ it's prolly time to touch grass
nova marsh
Holy fuck if you're 625+ you haven't slept in a month
dire hinge
manic stirrup
or if youve just raided every week
vague nova
If you play regularly and have a m+ āpush groupā you could be 625 easy (Iām 614) if your guild mythic raids twice a week.
Iām not even coping for my playtime
dire hinge
i've been afk for the bulk of the past month. Do keys with friends, or become the tank if you need to
the 8s change made it trivial to catch up
balmy kindle
If you play regularly and have a m+ āpush groupā you could be 625 easy (Iām 614)...
I am only 617 my self, but I am very casual nowadays
nova marsh
i'm just 615
In part due to poor gearing descisions and....very...very...very bad trinket luck
I'm still rocking a vet mark somehow
balmy kindle
Lol realistically if you are not pushing hard and had some bad luck on vault and couldn't raid on 1st week, 615 is not bad
minor gust
Holy fuck if you're 625+ you haven't slept in a month
? if you raid being 625+ is easy
balmy kindle
Mythic raiding is like 0.001%
minor gust
I get that just saying if you play the whole game its easy to be that ilvl
theres no grind to be that ilvl
nova marsh
? if you raid being 625+ is easy
Yes but uhhh guess who can't raid
(And who also dosen't do mythic due to a schedule I have zero controll over anymore)
balmy kindle
theres no grind to be that ilvl
That's kind of dishonest since your average 9-5 guy is still strolling to aotc
There's a reason why the pushed the glided crest down to +8 and it's likely they might push it down more
nova marsh
Mythic raiders are playing an entirely different game to most people
nova marsh
There's a reason why the pushed the glided crest down to +8 and it's likely they...
I kinda doubt it
8 is perfect where it is
Cuz otherwise 8s have no reason to exist
rancid willow
I like it at 8
Within 2 weeks, 8's will feel trivial to the majority of people running
nova marsh
I'd give it one
balmy kindle
Cuz otherwise 8s have no reason to exist
I think it's fine too but your average ape is struggling
nova marsh
I think it's fine too but your average ape is struggling
I am an average ape
balmy kindle
Within 2 weeks, 8's will feel trivial to the majority of people running
True due to ppl going to 619
nova marsh
Like I just get told evreything in the game is sooooo easy
gearing is easy, raiding is easy, evrey dungeon is easy
rancid willow
True due to ppl going to 619
But then u have people with horrendous loot luck like me š
nova marsh
But then u have people with horrendous loot luck like me š
and me
Ah my veteran mark of Khardanos, my beloved
rancid willow
My usual buddies I run with? LOL they're on their 2nd or 3rd alts at 615+
nova marsh
The game is REALLY taunting me for not taking a champion sac brood in my first vault
nova marsh
My usual buddies I run with? LOL they're on their 2nd or 3rd alts at 615+
....Jesus christ
minor gust
That's kind of dishonest since your average 9-5 guy is still strolling to aotc
your missing the point the guy said that being high ilvl is because of some no life grind which is just not true.
nova marsh
To us "peasents" it seems like it
balmy kindle
your missing the point the guy said that being high ilvl is because of some no l...
The crest farm is real for the 9-5 guy
nova marsh
And you also have to factor in if we're pugging, literal hours of wait time
Doing nothing
minor gust
thats because u guys pug
nova marsh
yeah
because not all of us have set in stone schedules
Nor should we need to just play the game
minor gust
yeah its unfort I understand
balmy kindle
thats because u guys pug
Have a guild now but only some members wanna push so working our way to 8-10s
minor gust
but stil not a grind
crimson steppe
Should just add a M+ queue with rating... with certain comps you can choose. I don't see how that would hurt the people pushing high M+
nova marsh
Should just add a M+ queue with rating... with certain comps you can choose. I d...
Dear god no
Could you imagine the que times for non meta dps
or even just meeles?
crimson steppe
It beats the current pugging life
nova marsh
I mean
rancid willow
make friends
nova marsh
make friends
I have
once again, they do not have the same schedule as more
Or they're a fucking altaholic who I can't trust to do a +4 and who refuses to improve because if they aren't doing 1 mill overall at 600 they're wasting their time apparently
altaholics just...annoy me so much
idk maybe I've just met people with extreme, extreme cases of it
Said altaholic is the friend I love to death but just...don't want to play with cuz they get tilted wayyyy too easily and just...aren't great
nova marsh
Yeah
nova marsh
I've just accepted until I get a new job that won't just say "hey you know those days that you're unavailable for? yeah you have to work them or we'll fire you"
Fucking bastards
balmy kindle
The unethical method is to buy a 10 8 run boost by working overtime
nova marsh
The unethical method is to buy a 10 8 run boost by working overtime <:deadge:900...
Oh hellll na
flat vine
altaholics just...annoy me so much
Weird take, it's extremely easy to gear up alts this xpac and it's not like any class besides Enhancement takes more than a sliver of brain power
dire hinge
nova marsh
Weird take, it's extremely easy to gear up alts this xpac and it's not like any ...
Dude
They are switching evrey week
Never sticking with anything
claim they want KSM, constantly reset and never work towards said goal or improving at one character despite my advice
dire hinge
the alt folks i know are like 2500 on multiple toons, sounds like your friend is just focused on other things instead of improving within their existing specs
nova marsh
again, this is an EXTREME case of it
flat vine
or they just suck
nova marsh
na
balmy kindle
the alt folks i know are like 2500 on multiple toons, sounds like your friend is...
Mythic raiders are not 9-5 people
nova marsh
But I resvere my right to not put them in my keys
flat vine
plenty of people play to be bad and don't care, it's not an issue for them so who cares
nova marsh
My problem is they know what they're doing wrong
say they want to get better
Then go to level something else
minor gust
Mythic raiders are not 9-5 people
not true but live your life
flat vine
Mythic raiders are not 9-5 people
Another weird take
flat vine
It's the end of 2024 and people are still justifying poor play with time spent......just odd
minor gust
Everyone in my CE guild is a normal working adult
dire hinge
it's just a hobby, and people's skill often isn't directly related to time spent.
You can try and improve in a vacuum but it's gonna be a lot slower than using resources and getting help.
nova marsh
But some of us just don't have a consistant schedule
balmy kindle
Hard to believe unless you just work and wow
If u gym or actually have anything else
nova marsh
Or your work is just incrediably inconsistant
balmy kindle
Also this is assuming you don't have overtime etc
flat vine
Also this is assuming you don't have overtime etc
Most people dont work more than 40hr weeks and if you can't find time for a hobby that's another problem
balmy kindle
Most people dont work more than 40hr weeks and if you can't find time for a hobb...
Good for you it's 40 min here in Singapore
flat vine
Good for you it's 40 min here in Singapore
I mean the majority of players here are NA/EU and I'm pretty sure EU have an even less rigorous work schedule
balmy kindle
I mean the majority of players here are NA/EU and I'm pretty sure EU have an eve...
There's a huge community of southeast Asians and east Asians on oceanic
There's still some mythic raiders but most are in their 30-40s
Not complaining but I am not sacrificing gym and sleep for arbitrary points
flat vine
There's a huge community of southeast Asians and east Asians on oceanic
Sure, but making broad statements based upon an area of the world not best known for it's work to life balance is......idk....probably not great? It's like saying everyone in America knows portion control when have the options of super sizing shit lol
wicked aurora
How much worse theoretically is arms in keys?
edgy solstice
worse than what
wicked aurora
Figured that would have been self explanitory, but fury
edgy solstice
haven't really looked into how Thane is doing yet but fury was already a bit ahead
nova marsh
Thane's doing really well actually
empty sluice
Its gonna be even better when 0.5 start
minor gust
fury is better but not by enough to not play arms
play whats more fun and what you will perform better on
formal badge
What buttons do yāall use to strafe
minor gust
a and d
formal badge
I unbound my strafe keys cuz I move with mouse buttons but I think I need to change that
A and D it is
Do you have a back step key bound?
formal badge
Ty!
balmy kindle
Sure, but making broad statements based upon an area of the world not best known...
9-5 is very normal but most of us still work in office and have commute
formal badge
Iām assuming mouse then is used to help with turning and moving forwards only?
rancid willow
Silly Q but can we still only equip 2 embelisshed items at a time?
nova marsh
correct
nova marsh
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