arms

[sacred zodiac]

has anyone tried optimizing execute usage for juggernaut in sims or nah

[astral yarrow]

padding myself on the back when i carry jugg stacks through intermissions

[latent moss]

way too much shit functions around sd

[astral yarrow]

it already is

[sacred zodiac]

yooo

[latent moss]

its in

[halcyon breach]

Spongie so slow

[latent moss]

there are some

[halcyon breach]

on the uptake

[latent moss]

small optimizations

that are not in

[sacred zodiac]

you told me 1 hour ago that execute usage is not updated for juggernaut

[wanton sierra]

my gear was trash, but now i managed to drop some rings and now i got decent stats, at least 20% haste (i was with 12%)

[sacred zodiac]

curious?

[latent moss]

and are in some random dms wiht ppaw or krispi idk

[sacred zodiac]

banezi lying to the brown men of skyhold?

[halcyon breach]

I think this is a lie

[astral yarrow]

leave the cringe out

[latent moss]

its so cursed

[astral yarrow]

yellow is just brown man in sheeps clothing

[sacred zodiac]

wdym having the opportunist conditional in fury is unhinged af

[latent moss]

in s3 df we had ww usage in execute

[astral yarrow]

its like the slaughtering strikes shit lol

[latent moss]

but it wasnt in

[thick kelp]

Tip to survive in Arms chat

[latent moss]

for obvious reasons

[latent moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1294275904918257674/image.png?ex=670a6bde&is=67091a5e&hm=8b2b066ba6909cbf472df0b07363827eccccfd0757957171551b942ad11c0ff4&

[astral yarrow]

[latent moss]

yeah its very evil

[halcyon breach]

Just like on Skyhold, I timeout brown names

[latent moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/943906056483004547/943917451727474739/caption.gif

[sacred zodiac]

what was it doing

[thick kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1270040420315037727.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[astral yarrow]

the shit that got left out of fury for big simplicity and minor loss man

[sacred zodiac]

optimizing fatal mark?

[thick kelp]

yep

[sacred zodiac]

its in the wowhead guide lol

[latent moss]

fatal mark and rage dump

[thick kelp]

if boss was below 30% and u didnt have ToM

you would WW etc

[sacred zodiac]

wait do we not play fatal marka nymore?

[thick kelp]

for max ToM

[astral yarrow]

yeah and the opportunist thing is simple

[latent moss]

u would just avoid executing

fucking ass

[sacred zodiac]

i dont think it is simple

[halcyon breach]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1dMeCsiQoLiAUnifV8rBbB
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9g6TSrS1ZSShqB2ShhJsyp
The gap has become smaller

[thick kelp]

Fatal Mark is stuck in DF numbers

[halcyon breach]

Maybe I go Fury next Kyvessussy

[latent moss]

no point playing arms

[astral yarrow]

comparatively

[latent moss]

imo

[thick kelp]

Trolling to not go Fury on kyveza anymore

Dps check doesnt exist

[astral yarrow]

@halcyon breach bro how tf are you 630

[thick kelp]

AFter nerfs

[astral yarrow]

Mulle package i swear

[halcyon breach]

631 actually

[sacred zodiac]

if you need a weakaura that reads rb resets but correctly identifies that its a rb reset, not a hns reset, the conditional probably isnt that easy to pull off

[halcyon breach]

Still lower than Anda

[latent moss]

ye its just

can u live check

[sacred zodiac]

explode immediately?

[latent moss]

and fury does that better

tmy is 636

100%

[sacred zodiac]

didnt you cry for years that your ilvl is low and that im spoonfed? interesting

[halcyon breach]

You are in fact spoonfed

(has Mandate and Ansurek ring)

This is the definition of being fed

Having Ansurek loot

[sacred zodiac]

warrior is best target of the ring

[latent moss]

especially clappa

[halcyon breach]

Evidently not or I would've had it by now!

[sacred zodiac]

overwhelm working on it is ridiculous and stupid!

[halcyon breach]

And now I got 3x Mythic vault

So I can't even pull it from there

[latent moss]

just kill her on mythic lol

its not that hard

[iron obsidian]

^

[halcyon breach]

on it

[astral yarrow]

rotationally it is as long as the WA works, identifying it without is sus though

but deemed enough of a gain to warrant it in rotation guides

[latent moss]

u can identify it by checking last global

[halcyon breach]

Have not had issues just looking at my WA if I got an opportunist proc

[latent moss]

ye but its delayed cause its evil

[daring heron]

same

[sacred zodiac]

idk u have 3 ilvls on me and we parsed the same on kyveza i think you are a noob

[halcyon breach]

You are a Mandate abuser

I have to use simbait treacherous!!

[sacred zodiac]

it didnt crit once

[daring heron]

banezi might be a noob who got targeted by mechanics

[halcyon breach]

Mandate not critting is equivalent to 2 Arms warriors

Mandate critting is equivalent to 4.012 Arms warriors (crit gem)

[daring heron]

what did you end on anyway on kyveza

[latent moss]

if 2 arm = 0.5 revvez critcake = 1 arm..

[halcyon breach]

Best kill so far was 1.257 mill

[sacred zodiac]

he got 0th percentile ilvl

[halcyon breach]

I will kill you

[sacred zodiac]

since hes the only warrior at 631 to kill it

[halcyon breach]

And then I'll parse 100 percentile

[sacred zodiac]

(anda is 632)

[latent moss]

wtf yellow name toxic?????

[halcyon breach]

liar liar

hosen on fire

how the fuck are there so many already

[sacred zodiac]

idk apparently every guild is spoonfeeding their warriors except for mine

[halcyon breach]

Kyveza is just not fun to parse on

You need to not get parried (impossible) and also not get dashes

[astral yarrow]

same bro

our enh is juiced though

and somehow our healers

[sacred zodiac]

(i am lying out of my teeth i have every super rare and decent mythic gear)

[astral yarrow]

i have 2 mythic items 👍

[sacred zodiac]

king how many of them vaulted

[astral yarrow]

and the cloak i looted from vault

[tacit crystal]

ive gotten 1 item from raid

4 weeks in

put the dance emote

i have no nitro

[astral yarrow]

1

ovinax ring

[tacit crystal]

yep

[sacred zodiac]

[astral yarrow]

did you figure out colossus

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/inside-out-anger-characters-gif-25501912

[astral yarrow]

on court

[sacred zodiac]

havent seen court since our convo

[tacit crystal]

spongie i want trhe dance emote

[sacred zodiac]

i dont have a dance emote

[iron obsidian]

spongie do the thing

[astral yarrow]

i managed colossus numbers as padlord slayer build

[astral yarrow]

so im just staying slayer

[halcyon breach]

[astral yarrow]

[sacred zodiac]

is it not worth it then

[astral yarrow]

i honestly dont think so

[halcyon breach]

Aagaard told me otherwise when I started..

That colossus would be the tryhard build..

[tacit crystal]

i need :woo:

[sacred zodiac]

we need to scream at aagaard until he becomes 2% taller

[halcyon breach]

I will make him shrink

[astral yarrow]

@quasi torrent what is 2% of 182 cm

[sacred zodiac]

shrink ray on you

[candid orchid]

Friends rolled dice to decide characters to use our boosts on then do keys with

I got an orc arms warrior, hi guys

[sacred zodiac]

im also a math student ..

[candid orchid]

Main is Hpal

[quasi torrent]

3.84cm

[astral yarrow]

smh

[quasi torrent]

64

not 84

[astral yarrow]

we always round up

[quasi torrent]

👍

[halcyon breach]

Anda noob

[astral yarrow]

4 cm

[tacit crystal]

whats 2% of dn

[quasi torrent]

7

[quasi torrent]

yes

[astral yarrow]

yes

[halcyon breach]

hello friend

[sacred zodiac]

ur now 2 meters tall

[astral yarrow]

ez

[sacred zodiac]

crazy

[iron obsidian]

welcome

[tacit crystal]

🙂

have fun playing arns

[candid orchid]

Time to review the spell reflect list

[quasi torrent]

time to review dn

[halcyon breach]

Once you know all the spell reflects you are unkillable (as long as you have SR)

[tacit crystal]

slmeome give him the wa

[tacit crystal]

dn

[thick kelp]

Guys why did my tnak link a route with 3 affix names

[astral yarrow]

[candid orchid]

What wa

[quasi torrent]

im sorry u have to go through this

[candid orchid]

Is there like an ellesmere of arms warriors to follow

[astral yarrow]

im told to plug Walhe everytime someone wants arms onetricks

@thick kelp

[tacit crystal]

he did not like dn

[thick kelp]

Whos telling you this

[astral yarrow]

[tacit crystal]

hi walhe

[thick kelp]

Hi gio58

[candid orchid]

Guess I’ll watch some Walhe

[tacit crystal]

wtf

[wanton sierra]

damn on my phone the video quality is better xD

my lady and my lil dog ❤️

[tacit crystal]

❤️

[unreal mountain]

as an arms main, the buff to Aterial Blood was really good. I deal a lot more damage overall and Single target. Talkin about +11 keys

still not over the top but way better then before

at 10 Stacks you have 30% damage on rend and Deep Wounds and this is a lot compared to 20%. Also my sims tells me to stack more Mastery now ofc

[boreal quartz]

Also buffs sks more

And BB too

[unreal mountain]

exactly cause the "bleed out" effect from SKS hits really good

[boreal quartz]

Full critmast colossus xdd

[unreal mountain]

yeah haha

[boreal quartz]

Actually just wear the fury rings

[unreal mountain]

hahaha true

i do 😮

[boreal quartz]

If only i had the crit embell not ascendance

I mean i dont have much fury gear set up so im chasing GB ring

[unreal mountain]

yeah i also have Ascendance but its still pretty strong

[boreal quartz]

Should slot in nicely to colo too

[boreal quartz]

It was also just so easy to one and done crafted stuff with it

[unreal mountain]

true

[boreal quartz]

1 gilded craft 1 619 HC freebie

[unreal mountain]

yeah would talk it too

[boreal quartz]

Cuz wrist ilvl doesnt matter anyways

[naive sage]

Dungeon Slice?

[frosty basin]

What is better crit or versa on crafted items?

[frosty pike]

for pvp?

for pve vers is our lowest prio

[frosty basin]

PvE, I mean the embelishemnt you put on the crafted item

[white condor]

why did arms not get buffed?

[boreal quartz]

Id go vers

For higher keys

[neon niche]

cause born brown

[boreal quartz]

We got a colossus buff

[frosty pike]

is it a buff if nobody uses it

[boreal quartz]

It is a buff

[bronze wharf]

is mountain thane a buff if none before played it? 🤔

[neon niche]

more like slayer nerfed to the ground

[boreal quartz]

I mean you do play it now

[frosty pike]

yeah but people go play thane now

[bronze wharf]

yeah that was the point

[frosty pike]

nobody is switching to arterial

[boreal quartz]

I will try some cooked shit with it after work

Just happy it's an option

[slow saddle]

Arterial needs a bigger buff

Or our bleeds in gen

[bronze wharf]

its less obvious that thane buff double digit mt buff

[boreal quartz]

No cleave no fob build with jugg trust...

[bronze wharf]

but it is a buff

[boreal quartz]

Xd

[frosty pike]

its a buff for people playing colo in single target heavy scenarios? or if you mastery stack? I GUESS?

[slow saddle]

Hmm...

[boreal quartz]

I mean it makes colo less shit for keys like GB

Or COT

It has merit

[bronze wharf]

yeah that what i meant

[frosty pike]

i mean im not all gloom and doom ill play my meme spec regardless

[tacit crystal]

or play jug

i love jug

🙂

[frosty pike]

but the fine tuning of classes/specs hasnt been great this go around i feel

i don't care enough either way to respec or stop being a meme

[thick kelp]

Vers sims higher anw

[frosty pike]

but im not going to drool over a 1.5% number change with a talent no one takes

[boreal quartz]

I would like if i get to cook a no cleave build

But i doubt itll happen

But im psure dn is too weak for that rn

[slow saddle]

Col needs thane treatment

[tacit crystal]

i made a 0 cleave build

🙂

[frosty pike]

that build does in fact not have cleave

[boreal quartz]

Wouldnt harm if demolish couldnt miss with the final hit

[slow saddle]

Facts

[tacit crystal]

or if it wasnt a second axe

[boreal quartz]

@sacred zodiac venjent dropped an entire album today

[sacred zodiac]

listening

[tacit crystal]

waht is a venjent

[boreal quartz]

Music

Good music

[tacit crystal]

que genre

[boreal quartz]

Listen to this song:https://open.spotify.com/track/6CwpJBB44LTomLqPIaxlC0?si=m9tL8Wx-Q-2Nkd5E0Jjs2g

It's some kinda dnb techno whatever

[tacit crystal]

fuck spotify on discord

my ears

are gone

[boreal quartz]

Was gonna say

Preview of that will be bueno

Volume wise

[tacit crystal]

thats deafing levels of sound

philliam

this is just not my music

i almost started a war there

[boreal quartz]

Not everyone can be based

[tacit crystal]

[tranquil sundial]

trinket not real

[fringe moon]

I got my GB trinket last night.

[thick kelp]

why hunt for ass trinket

[tranquil sundial]

?

[thorn pelican]

i like receiving void missiles from across the screen its sick

lil skarmorak shards

as a treat

[tranquil sundial]

hows shard ass?

[boreal quartz]

It's a fury trinket if anything

At least for st

[tranquil sundial]

well

i mythic raid

so i need this tirnket

brood n queen

[quasi torrent]

brood trinket

is ass

[tranquil sundial]

shard

im talking about xd

[thick kelp]

no

you need transmitter/queens + egg sac from arakara

2 of those three is your best combo

[quasi torrent]

real kings use mjolnir runestone hc track

[thick kelp]

👑

[quasi torrent]

(maybe better than ara ara for some setups BTW)

same with blood of the old god and pyrite infuser

[tranquil sundial]

I'd rahter have a macro and forget trinket for fury on those fights

[thick kelp]

Well you said you mythic raid so proudly

I assumed you cared about doing max dps

[tranquil sundial]

which is why i am farming this

cant farm transmitter now eh?

[thick kelp]

Assumed you already had transmitter

Caught

[tranquil sundial]

nah i dont

[quasi torrent]

be happy in a way

[fast wharf]

Transmitter shows in the vault quite often

[gritty tartan]

heyy i have a question, how to sim for m+??

[fringe moon]

Transmitter is good, but I can’t imagine using it on mythic brood. I’d rather use a set it and forget it trinket than something that you may miss getting the buff for

[tranquil sundial]

yeah im thinking that

[tacit crystal]

yeah using transmitter on lust to oneshot adds doesnt feel good at all

[tranquil sundial]

just belts n capes for me 😄

[fringe moon]

Do we have a colossus build yet for brood?

[tranquil sundial]

yes

fury warrior

[tacit crystal]

i think every player is going fury

[fringe moon]

Yeah my guild using 2x fury on it atm. I’m not good at fury so I opted for bench

I’d imagine colossus could do decently well on brood

[glacial moat]

I feel it's impossible to be bad at fury on that fight.

Step one: hold CDs for add spawn

Step two: press all of them

Enjoy the numbers

[balmy cradle]

is slayer still better for mythic+, I have tried colossus and it's really nice in aoe but in st it's insanely bad so I dont know if it's worth it

[frosty pike]

theyre about the same, numbers differ more depending in dungeon

[astral talon]

Collosus for dopamine

[frosty pike]

play what you prefer, if theres an edge its more towards colo

[astral talon]

Slayer for consistency

[tranquil sundial]

not even that, rampage spam with anger management

[balmy cradle]

dopamine is nice but it gets ruined in st

[glacial moat]

Collosus giv big num. Big num make monkey brain happy.

[icy mulch]

Not wrong.

[glacial moat]

It does feel really bad when big num doesn't crit though

[balmy cradle]

monkey brain less happy while fighting a boss tho 😦

I wish they would buff colossus single target so you dont run out of rage all the time

[astral talon]

Ye slayer dmg on st with aoe build is also ass

So theres that

[balmy cradle]

it's not that good yeah but at least if feels nicer to play

but maybe you are right

arms buff when

[astral talon]

Play battlelord and st is nice

So is aoe imo

[balmy cradle]

instead of massacre?

this is the tree I run

[astral talon]

I don't play those two exe talents

Personal preference

[balmy cradle]

which 2? 1 is massacre but which one you dont take?

[astral talon]

Ep

2 points in deft and battlelord

[balmy cradle]

I ll try it

[astral talon]

I liked it in dawnbreaker

[lone pewter]

anyone knows why almost all top guild run 2 Arms on M7? It seems the dps number is pretty low, and rally only increase 10% HP now.

[astral talon]

Cuz you dont rly do massive pulls

And you can get a lot of value from sweeping strikes

Cuz you just spam ms and op on aoe

If you want even more boss and priority dmg drop dreadnought and take the other talent

[tacit crystal]

what is m7?

court?

[slow saddle]

If its sillen court

Its coz arms slaps

[lone pewter]

yes

[lone pewter]

but the dps number on logs is not high like frost dk or enhance, so I'm a little bit confused

75% parse

[astral talon]

Look 95 parse and boss dmg

[wanton pumice]

This chart won’t lead you to any conclusions with the amount of public logs available. Reasoning could be they already have two warriors and arms will likely perform better vs other classes at moments during the fight where two target cleave is available

Fdk is in a much better spot than warrior so it’s no surprise they are at the top

[latent moss]

there are like 5 logs

on court

[wanton pumice]

Exactly

No sense in trying to reason it with how little public logs there are

[latent moss]

yep

also fury is so low guys!!

ye when there is sikran

st boss thats ass for 90s classes

first boss where fdk solos the adds

2nd boss is w/e

and rashanan where they removed add damage

once we get ovinax queen logs

fury will jump

also add damage is back on rashanan so

[wanton pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[astral talon]

?

[sour forge]

When did they change it back to including ad damage

[wanton pumice]

They didn’t

[tacit crystal]

they are changing it back

[latent moss]

^

[sour forge]

I can’t wait. I hate losing 300-400k

[serene hollow]

not sure why they took it off, the adds randomly own you if you don't take care of them

[wanton pumice]

Oh so are they going to retro my last 3 or 4 kills lmao

[tacit crystal]

no clue

you would have to check in the wcl discord

[wanton pumice]

Probably very unlikely lmao

[hollow wave]

The fury 8% reduced damage is huge IMO

[olive nest]

I like the impending victory choice instead

15% more hp and an instant heal if you time it reasonably quick

[hexed saddle]

no, they're just unfucking it with the new patch partition

[ivory harbor]

Hi all, anyone knows where I can find the raidbots command to sim all the food? Was only able to find the DF one.

Thank u 😊

[pearl nymph]

arteriel bleed good now with the buff?

[edgy solstice]

it's ok

use it in the same situations you did before

[pearl nymph]

ok thanks 🙂

[fringe moon]

anybody know how many valor stones you get per raid boss kill?

[fringe moon]

45 valor...nice

[late mortar]

you get valor doing delves, and the Worldsoul events give decent valor too * you can do 5 at a time if your stocked up to save time

[quick edge]

Can someone send me the name/spell id for arms rend? I fucked something up in my wa

[gaunt matrix]

I assume arms is bottom tier compared to fury for m+?

[clear rain]

ITS ACtually so weird alchemical chaos flask is better?

what if u get a bad stat

and u are losing 290 on 2 secondaries

[daring heron]

static stat flasks nerf your tempered potion

thats all there is to it

[wanton pumice]

I saw, interesting change. Should have been like that from the start

[wanton pumice]

I gathered that

[minor gust]

What bad stat warrior likes them all

[tulip fox]

Hey guys, why do you use that talent instead of the other for m+ builds?

im reading talents trying to understand but dont know exactly why

[misty bridge]

Slayer likes haste and gains a lot of ST value from talenting into BI, Colossus not as much.

[boreal quartz]

left is loads of st and haste, right is to be burstier/aoe heavier

right is rlly good with demolish

[teal fossil]

Because cds don’t align properly with slayer

[teal fossil]

Btw this is not true, colossus benefits from haste just as much if not a bit more

Its just that the aoe loss is bigger on colossus than slayer

[vital summit]

bruh my best attempt on zekvir ?? when I miss 2 interupts because I fat-fingered pummel...

[white anvil]

any notable loot from ulduar ?

[smoky kayak]

or colossus

[smoky kayak]

they're good when they align, but don't align naturally and the general consensus was that more ST is worth more than more MT

• you want more ST, take left
• you want more AoE, take right

[minor gust]

Fixing our CD alignment issue would be sooo cooool

[smoky kayak]

Sorry, best we can do is add more cd alignment issues to Fury

[minor gust]

Just gotta play thane with no OF

[smoky kayak]

OF isn't the problem, I was referring to AM

AM horribly desyncs everything

[sick gazelle]

Why is it bad if CDs don't align

Like I know why

But why is it an issue

[smoky kayak]

cause pretty much everything in WoW is multiplicative

and more damage on more damage on more damage is a lot more damage than more damage and then more damage and then more damage

[teal fossil]

^

Being multiplicative fundamentally encourages cd stacking

[sick gazelle]

Yeah that is the part I get

But doesn't them not aligning create opportunities for difficult decisions like holding a CD

So that you can align them later

[vital summit]

OCD

Must.
Use.
CDs.

[minor gust]

Oh yeah haven't touched much AM fury besides broodtwister prog

[shadow ibex]

Where's MS buff

[steep osprey]

Where’s warrior talent rework

Way overdue

[teal fossil]

11.1

Surely

[smoky kayak]

theoretically yes, but realistically

• holding CDs is rarely seen as interesting or fun
• holding CDs for any meaningful amount of time almost always loses more damage than it'll gain from syncing with a later buff

[steep osprey]

I’m gonna play shaman since they’re getting good changes and actual reworks

Warrior is one of the only classes that hasn’t gotten a rework recently

and we can’t be top dps

Somethings fishy

Someone at blizzard does not like warriors

Real and true

[teal fossil]

Warrior main ntr his girl

[vital rune]

There a reason the BiS overall list uses the CoT wep instead of crafted?

[steep osprey]

Lmao

[smoky kayak]

M track weapons go up to a higher ilevel and that profile uses double vers embellishments instead

[vital rune]

Ah, got it, thank you!

I got one early on so I've just been riding it at 619 for a bit

Didn't bother with the crafted one

But now feel like i should ahve done that until I got a higher track one

[shadow ibex]

Warbringer devs

[minor gust]

We love Warbringer best arms ability.

[pulsar elk]

okay question fellas, im about to make my 636 weapon, right now im using double dawnthread

is it really worth it to get ascendance + writhing over that?

from the way i see it is 1512 crit with very high uptime vs 1780 random stat that requires 80 seconds to accumulate

just trying to figure out why everyone uses it over dawnthread and why i should swap my embellishments

[reef glade]

cuz if you’re in a mythic raid where you’re prone to take a lot of damage frequently you’re probably losing that crit buff often

just not very reliable

but like heroic and lower prolly fine either way

[pulsar elk]

mostly do m+

[reef glade]

yea I mean prolly doesn’t matter either way then

Tbh I also thought ppl used verse Embell but ig arms might prefer crit more that’s probably possible

[edgy solstice]

the uptime is whatever. it's always up when you really want it to be tho

aka on pull

[pulsar elk]

this is what the top 100 m+ arms warrior are using

[reef glade]

But like so long as you’re full health going into a pack with cds yea you’ll get a majority of the thread embell value

[edgy solstice]

unless for whatever reason you're going into packs not at 100

[pulsar elk]

yeah i mean its 80% not 90% like DF so even more forgiving

[reef glade]

Yea I mean it’s just kinda fact of the matter that a lot of the high m+ pushers will also be mythicbraiders

To get the best loot

[pulsar elk]

yeah nah it makes sense, all their gearing is for both id imagine

[reef glade]

Once ppl have cleared raid and are 639 in every slot they’ll prolly be more prone to switching embells to best suit m+

[pulsar elk]

just looking through my logs im getting 90%+ uptime on dawnthread so thats good enough for me

i likey my crit

playing colo in m+ and all i care about is crit lol

[smoky kayak]

ascendance is better in raid, full stop
in M+, duskthread is better (dawn maybe but you typically have more than enough crit naturally) because it doesn't need to be maintained between combat

[smoky kayak]

this is somewhat skewed, since the majority of top M+ players are also going to be raiders (and those who aren't probably valued an early crafted weapon anyway, since they wouldn't have as easy access to a M drop weapon)

[pulsar elk]

yeahh we were talkin bout that

is ascendence better in raid just cuz of the practical uptime? or does it actually sim better

[primal kettle]

does wcl calculate queen adds?

[pulsar elk]

cuz im not doing any mythic raiding

[pulsar elk]

also u mention more than enough crit, is there a breakpoint/soft cap im not aware of?

been stackin that shit to the sky for collosus

[smoky kayak]

That’s the point, you’re already stacking it on gear

[nova marsh]

Stats we don't stack will always have more value

[smoky kayak]

Do you want more of your best stat consistently from gear, or conditionally from a proc

[nova marsh]

Cuz less dr

When talking about like special effects

[smoky kayak]

Not saying the crit embel isn’t still good, but verse usually ends up better in higher gear

[pulsar elk]

hmm im not tracking honestly, if crits my best stat, why wouldnt i want the most of it i can possibly get

theres DR in crit? wym?

if i have 15000 crit, an extra 1000 crit is less impactful than 1000 vers?

not tryna be argumentative just tryna learn

[edgy solstice]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/diminishing-returns-on-secondary-stats-in-world-of-warcraft

[pulsar elk]

lmao what

how long has this been in the game

[worldly kernel]

Forever

[edgy solstice]

since the start of SL

[woven wasp]

"ever since patch 9.0.1"

[nova marsh]

DRs in stats always existed mostly

[pulsar elk]

capppcapcpapcpacpapcpacpa

yeah it was just super complicated back in the day lol

[nova marsh]

It's why before we had sims you had general stat caps

[pulsar elk]

yeahh im familiar with the oldschool way of soft-caps

[nova marsh]

Like fury in legion wanted like 20% haste

[pulsar elk]

so basically 30% crit is my soft cap?

[nova marsh]

I mean you could say that

But sims are more reliable nowadays

[pulsar elk]

very good to know thanks yall

[nova marsh]

When in doubt ask the robot

[pulsar elk]

so in this situation it makes more sense to go for versatility over crit for lining ? stats are 15003 crit, 16492 haste, 5394 mastery, and 1189 vers

i should just figure out how to swap embellishments on raidbots lol

[worldly kernel]

Ascendance in keys if you’re in a group of 5 and you’re pulling constantly and not taking too much unnecessary damage where your lining is falling off is better unless you’re having shrvivabikity problems then double vers lining is better in that scenario

[pulsar elk]

my bad im wasting yalls time xD

[sick gazelle]

its not a waste of time. people will learn from reading your comments too

theres a lot more lurkers than active participants

[worldly kernel]

I mean you’re asking questions which is better than just yoloing it and not asking discord with people who are in your demographic

[edgy solstice]

anyone actually typing in here has nothing better to do anyway

[worldly kernel]

It’s the arms channel it’s like 90% memes then someone asks a legit question

[pulsar elk]

raidbots is usually my souce of all just dont know how to swap out gear, i liked the classic simulation website better where u could see the character page and easily swap items 😢

i just be logging in, swapping a trinket, logging out, simming, theres gotta be a better way lol

[worldly kernel]

You can add and create gear in “top gear” and simulate different combinations of gear selection and see what is the best for keys and single target

[pulsar elk]

ohhhhhhhh thats what that is okay, i assumed that just pulled some bis gear from calculations or something

thnx

[worldly kernel]

That’s droptimizer it will just individually calculate what’s the best from any instance of gear from raid keys or crafted, the same thing honestly

[pulsar elk]

i see isee

you guys see that the ulduar trinkets have a ~30% uptime and no ICD?

sims the same as sacbrood for me

pyrite infuser and blood of the old god are the ones im talkin bout

obv only goes to 619 but still

im pairing it with transmitter for 24000 str procs

[shadow ibex]

i don't think people pay a ton of attention to them since can't be farmed

[pulsar elk]

yeah i just paid some foo 10k for his when it dropped in my group lol

[sage badge]

Colossus arms owns

[quasi torrent]

bro what that boomi doin

[nova marsh]

You get a chance like once per season

[quasi torrent]

if u get them from yogg box they're 626

[icy mulch]

Sniffing the ferals butt I guess.

[quasi torrent]

(lol)

[quasi torrent]

bit of an odd thing to say i think

[icy mulch]

[nova marsh]

if ur insult isn't odd

is it even an insult?

[sour forge]

Fury owns

[astral talon]

Arms > fury

[pulsar elk]

yeah honestly arms AOE feels so underrated

[nova marsh]

I love me some arms

[astral talon]

St arms feels good too

Play battlelord and enjoy decent st

At least that's what I like

[nova marsh]

or just go slayer

But that's dead to most people

I've been getting decent results with it

[astral talon]

No

I do it in raid

In m+ i want burst

[nova marsh]

I mean slarms's burst is decent tbh

To each their own

[pulsar elk]

idkkk i like seeing 6m dps bursts

can get some outragous numbers with colo

[nova marsh]

Yeah but my colo numbers always make me sad

Cuz when demolish crits I see it do like 3 mill

and I'm like "I want MORE

[pulsar elk]

its all about the ravagerrrrr

aw yeah thats weaksauce

from my details my max crits a 6.6m

[astral talon]

I mean, I do enough to time keys

[pulsar elk]

also just gotta say cleave is the most fun ability to press out of any of the 5 classes i play i swear

[astral talon]

Did 11 mists, and all 10s

Played fury too, but didn't enjoy it as much

I don't see any fun in pressing my shit mindlessly

[pulsar elk]

fury felt good when odyns was up, when its not it doesnt lol imo

[astral talon]

Without looking at any stacks

Or buffs

Or anything

I got collateral stacks, rend to keep up, demolish cd reduction etc

I can get cs and demolish evrry 30 seconds

And that I enjoy a lot

[pulsar elk]

anyone know if the mortal strikes that spew out during bladestorm / ravager are affected by sweeping strikes?

[edgy solstice]

they are not

[pulsar elk]

i know youre not supposed to use SS and BS together, but instances like on Queen for killing webs, would it potentially add some dmg?

ahh lame

[astral talon]

They give demolish stacks tho

Colossal might

[pulsar elk]

oh right on thats good to know

so basically just always open with ravager in aoe

that way ur first colo has some stacks id assume

n

[astral talon]

You can do that, ye, and if you have all things on cd you can just slap it to get more stacks

I do it on bosses sometimes

Everything is back in 5s, throw everything, demolish will get cd reduction and you'll still use it in cs window

Im still unsure about trinkets

I use shard and mandate

But I don't know if they're the best

[boreal quartz]

mandate turbofucks

[tacit crystal]

turbofuck dn

[latent moss]

dn turbofuck

[pulsar elk]

im using transmitter + sac

but transmitter can be a pain in the ass

[boreal quartz]

egg+mandate

shard+mandate on fury

[astral talon]

Positively or negatively tho

Does like 3-4% overall

[boreal quartz]

turbogood

big st

kill shit

[astral talon]

Nice

[edgy solstice]

lost me at egg

[heady gust]

does the magic dr from spell reflect stack with the dr from defensive stance?

[quasi torrent]

yes

1 - 0.8*0.85
is a number for sure +1

[latent moss]

drs stack multiplicately

as anda said

[quasi torrent]

die math

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[sick gazelle]

yes. its DMG x 1 - [(1-0.20) x (1-0.10)]

[heady gust]

thanks

[quasi torrent]

This results to 0.98

that is not accurate

distance is also 15% dr, 10% less outout

if you change the .80 and .90 to 20 and 15 respectively itll be fine tho

(equals 0.28)

which is the dr, remove the 1- for damage taken :3

[sick gazelle]

o

i thought it was 20% and 10%?

oops

[rancid willow]

Anyone have import codes for solid COLOSSUS builds for Raid? Multi & ST?

[edgy solstice]

replace eb with mc

give warrs lust

ty

[gritty bane]

anyone know if Colossus is better for raid now over slayer on ST?

[latent moss]

no

[pulsar elk]

from what im seeing in logs, top 100 warriors are all using slayer in raid

even on broodtwister there is only 1 person playing colo that made it into top 100 lol

[teal fossil]

Colossus for raid is probably just slayer talents and swap for ravager

[latent moss]

i mean the issue is

u bring arms for the st

and slayer does better st

[pulsar elk]

yeahhh i mean if u just take a look at logs and compare hero talents u can see the difference

its dramatic

[teal fossil]

The guy probably wants to fuck around in heroic

Just let him

[pulsar elk]

about a 400k dps difference in the rank 1 parses for heroic silkran, comparing hero talents

oh yeah im not tryna be a jerk im just stating the facts that colo in raid is kinda trash

[twin hazel]

So what stats do I want on a crafted two hander? Crit/haste?

[pulsar elk]

yessurrr

[teal fossil]

Yeah that’s fine

[twin hazel]

do i need to worry about caps?

I'm 18 crit /30 haste ATM

[rancid willow]

Okie dokie. TY 🙂

[pulsar elk]

nah the soft caps start a 30%, and it only dimishes by 10%, so it means the crit ud get from 30% to 40% is 90% of its value

[twin hazel]

kk thx

[pulsar elk]

anyone have the calculated stat weights for arms? tryna find it online and not getting anything past a priority list

im lookin for some spreadsheet sweat shit

[woven wasp]

doesnt exist

stat weights havent existed for years

[edgy solstice]

stat weights are ever changing.

you can get a loose idea of how much and when stats are valuable if you sim them in a bunch of diff scenarios but better off just running top gear/droptimizer to get an idea

[pulsar elk]

right on that makes sense

guess i just wanted to know exactly how much better crit is than haste or vers vs mastery for example but yeah thats all simmable

[twin hazel]

So I have 18 crit/ 30 haste /16 mastery/ 8 vers , should I put crit/vers emb on crafted weap?

[tacit crystal]

sim it

[pulsar elk]

^ just from your stats it seems like you could benefit from crit but dont listen to me

[twin hazel]

nut i cant add just cri

but

crit

[pulsar elk]

im running 2x dawnthread + weapon without embellishment /shrug

[robust ridge]

You can easily determine what you should have through a topgear sim; just select a few options to see

[shadow ibex]

all hail robot overlords

bzzt

[edgy solstice]

no

[maiden moat]

Why are so many Arms running Ära kara trinket, thought madness + Transmitter are bisher?

[shadow ibex]

because we cant pick the loot that drops

[teal fossil]

That’s not a problem for a man like me

I play on tournament realm

[shadow ibex]

the strongest among us

[reef glade]

bisher

[nova marsh]

Becaise FUCK doubble on use

[thorn pelican]

jump 3 times

[edgy solstice]

jump 3 times and uninstall

[nova marsh]

all my homies hate on use trinkets

[silk spade]

amongE

[lilac idol]

can someone explain why we cast thunderous roar before avatar in opener?

nvm i found the answer

[dusty sorrel]

so is it worth taking bitter immunity this week?

[sick gazelle]

yes

[dusty sorrel]

what is okay to swap for immunity

[sick gazelle]

i dunno tbh

it will let you skip every other mechanic though

[stone saffron]

its not worth it at all

[edgy solstice]

any of the utils you're fine with giving up

bounding stride, honed, pain and gain, fast footwork

[rare kite]

ehh, i wouldn't personally. 3m cd is such a long cd

[slow saddle]

Its 100% worth in pug

In good grp no

[silk fjord]

does this look bad for a +5 arakara breakdown wise?

[hollow wave]

16k crit

No demolish emoji? This discord is fury bias

[balmy kindle]

In slayer cleave ms and reap the storm are usually the majority of our damage, so not too strange

[chrome lava]

people avoid it, like how easy it is to avoid it in the game

[edgy solstice]

maybe if it had decent range

[silk fjord]

It's used in the 2T cleave build?

[frigid cipher]

miss siegebreaker

[astral talon]

Nah

Where 15mil mortals

With 50 diff modifiers for biggest hits

[quasi torrent]

a 12th modifier has amped the mortal strike

[astral zephyr]

Am I missing something or is Skullsplitter just a fucking trash ability?

[boreal quartz]

It bleeding shit out kinda slaps

[astral zephyr]

Other than that it's just so mid 😢

[mild sierra]

SkS is dogshit

Gameplay wise

[visual fern]

Sks aka Slowly kills soul

[zenith warren]

So the answer was liquidreminders lol #arms message

[latent moss]

put sks on cs frfr

when u cs u sks as well hoooly

[tacit crystal]

that would be slightly strong no

[latent moss]

why

[thick kelp]

warbreak

some sks

holyy

[latent moss]

wb should be a separate spell

[tacit crystal]

he will bring war

[clear rain]

CAN spear be better

for aoe burst/

?*

[tacit crystal]

no

[livid cloak]

No

The bleed modifier on roar is too important

[clear rain]

i see

[fickle dock]

Guys, i assume ppl take thunder clap on ky'veza just not to get parry ?

cause it cost same rage and lower dmg than rend so i don't really see the point beyond that

[livid cloak]

There's a min max you can do where you clap while running out for any mechanic that may need you to disengage

I just rend

I'm not that smart

[fickle dock]

ok ok

[slow saddle]

if they buff ms enough then maybe 😄

[latent moss]

arms has no burst

spear is for burst

roar on top of doing a fuck ton of damage

also buffs ur dots by a fuck ton

[slow saddle]

i mean if spear was every 45 sec like in SL

then mby

[hollow wave]

SKS is just another key to press

Such boring skill

[manic river]

I simed with spear instead of roar and it was less

[wanton sierra]

are we pplayin without sks? how about uproar, if we remove sks from build, tr might lose value... i was tryin to test blademaster torment instead of uproar, i wanna try to get the most of colateral damage stacks

sks give us rage, indeed... idk, im lost xD

[hollow wave]

Imagine if demolish was a part combo from colossus smash

[devout pewter]

Demolish Smash sounds nice

[dim jay]

imagine if blizz continued to have no clue how to make colossus feel good to play and just kept buffing the aura buff talents

o wait

[lethal acorn]

If Demolish replaced CS it would be cooler

[hollow wave]

Still don't know why they didn't make demolish as a channeling cleave free movement ability like monk fist of fury

[hollow wave]

Good too

[devout pewter]

Yeah that would sound even better

[quasi torrent]

ok how would that work for prot

[lethal acorn]

For prot it would have to replace something else

[quasi torrent]

And what would that be

[lethal acorn]

It would have to be shield charge or something with a 45 sec cd

If you wanna shield charge, play Thane or whatever

[nova marsh]

It'd be toned down

Because then it has to account for always having +30% dam

[lethal acorn]

It would be toned down but synergize better so it's pros and cons

[nova marsh]

If ur talking about keys

U can do a juggie build and honestly kind of have better st

[devout pewter]

Jugg build kinda meh now tho. In df boss weeks it was fun but now...

[nova marsh]

I've had decent success with it

Usually top boss dam so I feel like I have an actual purpose

I just wish jugg was permanent

That'd fuck

[devout pewter]

There are a few talents that should just be baseline with maybe a side talent to improve it yeah

Like why even is rend still a talent at this point? Just put sks in its place, make the left side of the tree More bleed oriented with the right side being more MS+OP oriented.

[wanton sierra]

can u share the talents to me ?

[shadow ibex]

Rend and tclap need to be separate buttons

Or the universe explodes

[astral zephyr]

CS?

[livid cloak]

Jugg doesn't do well if boss dies before you can really get good stacks

Its in a weird spot right now. I like the build but it doesn't feel good to play rn imo

[daring tendon]

For me orc and mechanome are simming the highest in ST. Why does bloodmallet show otherwise? Would a racial be gear dependent?

[slow saddle]

Ofc

Also just play night elf for meld

Or dwarf

[daring tendon]

I am a dwarf was about to start gearing for my arms alt

[clear rain]

is ignore pain good

for mythic plus

[nova marsh]

It's okay

[arctic axle]

would be good if it didnt have a global,or rage required,or something ,now its okayish

global meant cd

[astral yarrow]

Its kinda stuck in DF numbers

[latent moss]

"kinda"

https://tenor.com/view/dog-fail-frisbee-gif-24192005

[tepid star]

Hello everyone, should i use cleave everytime the spell is up ? No matter if 1 target or 3 ? Or i have to change with slam for 1 target ?
I'm playing with https://www.wowhead.com/fr/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOAUVFRFQhUVKSUUBAOVVEFVRFlUUFQFQCEFEFVVUBB

[wanton sierra]

nice build, im playin that

i swap DN to STR in arms

i only cleave on ST if MBG or colatteral dam stacks

[tepid star]

I'm sry i dont know the abbreviation, can you say the full name ?

[wanton sierra]

dreadnought to strength in arms

[tepid star]

ty and MBG ?

[wanton sierra]

merciless bonegrinder... ravager talent

[tepid star]

Okay thanks for infos !

[balmy cradle]

someone yesterday said to go battlelord instead of massacre and it feels so much nicer to play

you dont run out of rage and st is decent

[tacit crystal]

dn

[rancid willow]

Need some Arms rotation help badly fellas. Am I only hitting Overpower when its at 2 stacks?

also rend refresh at 4 or 2 sec? WoW analyzer is telling me to wait for 2 sec but Ive read guides saying 4 sec, some videos say 6 sec....

[thick kelp]

6

is earliest you should refresh

[rancid willow]

and for the OP?

[thick kelp]

depends on the hero spec

guide answers your question tho

[sand lily]

Alright guys, is arms or fury better for M+ and raid

[charred brook]

Not an answerable question

They fulfill diff roles

And that’s two different types of content

Both specs are very close right now, fury is better in m+, and on some boss fights in raid. Arms is better on pure st fights or 2 target fights

[manic stirrup]

theyre equally good for different things in raid and fury is a bit better in m+

[sand lily]

word ty

[thick kelp]

This is something only a fury player would say

[manic stirrup]

am unholy player

[warm ore]

With Kyveza progress starting tomorrow im kinda torn back and forth to play fury or arms, what would you guys recommend

[boreal remnant]

both work fine

fury is tankier arms does more damage

after the nerfs it's not really a big damage check anymore

the perma 10% dr from fury is nice in intermission

[thick kelp]

Play fury

Boss will die if you survive

[warm ore]

Okay, ill trust

[thick kelp]

Also whatever your guild does

dont 5 heal it

[warm ore]

Well I think theyre planning to do it ^^

[thick kelp]

horror

[manic stirrup]

5 healing big mistake

[thick kelp]

5 healing makes the fight turn from non dps check into a hard dps check

[south pivot]

Anyone got a good Arms Pov m+10 youtuber to recommend?

[quasi torrent]

5 healing is the play

[thick kelp]

Yeah ask honolulu

[quasi torrent]

you will waste infinite pulls to people bleeding out early without

[thick kelp]

kekw

[quasi torrent]

Ok but honolulu is adept at going 3x over pullcount

[thick kelp]

they 4 healed post nerf

then on rekill

went to 5 heal

and failed

eta gg

[sacred zodiac]

terrible advice

[thick kelp]

🎦

[quasi torrent]

It is terrible 🤷‍♂️

[thick kelp]

I mean maybe for the first part of prog but

idk why u wanna make it a though dps check by 5 healing

[sacred zodiac]

i havent seen a single 5 heal kill that went into hard enrage

whatever examples you can cherrypick i can counter cherrypick

fact is that 5 heal will focus your prog only on the dance part, not the defensive and heal check

[thick kelp]

can u link me

logs of 5 heal not going into hard enrage

I wanna compare the dps

[sacred zodiac]

turtles, washed up didnt go into hard enrage i believe

[thick kelp]

to the 5 heals I have seen going into hard enrage

[thick kelp]

okty

ok so

high end of 16mil raid dps

seems to be enough

[warm ore]

You just gotta blast man, thats all

[quasi torrent]

hard dps check

not a singular orange parse

[thick kelp]

🎦

[charred brook]

🎦

[thick kelp]

I have been corrected

[manic stirrup]

same

[thick kelp]

but wont change my opinion

[manic stirrup]

god bless

[quasi torrent]

bratty correction

[thick kelp]

4heal > 5heal

[sacred zodiac]

dont say that

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-lip-bite-emoji-gif-27518891

[sacred zodiac]

the deaf men have slain the corrupted puppeteer @quasi torrent

[warm ore]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-big-eyes-gif-14567916

[thick kelp]

https://x.com/GuildHonolulu/status/1844451682710938046

Honolulu (@GuildHonolulu) on X

Nerf stuff, don't adjust bosses @Warcraft

Guess non-rwf guilds do not matter in this game anymore

"reclear" btw

Twitter · Oct 10, 2024, 6:55 PM

this chain

godbless them

[warm ore]

Holy shit, I would get a burnout so fast if i were in this raid

[manic stirrup]

they 5 healed it and kept dying early

[quasi torrent]

what does this mean

[sacred zodiac]

this woman has been slain by the deaf men

[charred brook]

What the hell is that

[sacred zodiac]

the corrupted puppeteer it says there

[charred brook]

Explain to me in Fortnite terms

[sacred zodiac]

i decline the premise

[thick kelp]

Thanos

[charred brook]

Noob

[sly venture]

Is that Destiny 2?

[uneven yacht]

if avatar comes up before cs/bs do you hold or still just send

[sacred zodiac]

ye

[zenith warren]

wrathstone simming any good?

[atomic mountain]

does healpot effect the affix this week?

[twilit burrow]

i mostly played slayer in m+ but i saw today that colossus is also playable in m+ is it like worth?

[twilit burrow]

yes

[atomic mountain]

wtf. i use it and this does nothing

[twilit burrow]

its not enough to solo cleanse it as far as i know it

used victory rush + that and the job was done

[atomic mountain]

i use quali 2 pot and it dont affekt the debuff

[atomic mountain]

i know

[gleaming cosmos]

If you're full health you cant heal

[sacred zodiac]

thats not how the debuff is coded, overhealing does cleanse it and a thane talented impending victory can solo cleanse it at full hp

[gleaming cosmos]

does healpot effect the affix this week?

wtf. i use it and this does nothing

If you're full health you cant heal

Maybe that makes more sense

You can't use a health pot if youre full health, that was the scenario I was imagining when they say it's doing nothing because I feel like the pot does clear it.

[grand idol]

Victory rush heals like 80-90% of the debuff.

[shadow ibex]

Anyone play arms on brood

Starting tn

[sacred zodiac]

oh i understand what you mean, you're probaby right

[sacred zodiac]

no i think most people like not trolling

[shadow ibex]

🤓 ass message

[latent moss]

are u court yet

[sacred zodiac]

ye been for a while

[latent moss]

are u arm or fury

[sacred zodiac]

armology

[sacred zodiac]

as i like not trolling

[latent moss]

ive seen a few fury warriors is it for the adds or what

[shadow ibex]

play arms for 1 fights now we must read this nonsense

[astral zephyr]

Peaked around 1.36 and was there for the majority of +9 Stonevault, 24 hours into the arterial build.

[sacred zodiac]

i played it on kyveza you muppet

[astral zephyr]

This build is way more fun then the Juggernaut one

[shadow ibex]

Breakdowns are better to sus stuff out

[sacred zodiac]

idk i dont think this fight is a real numbers check

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[sacred zodiac]

probably just a skill check until the end

[latent moss]

yeah thats what it looks like to me too

[sacred zodiac]

id still rather play arms just seems well suited for the fight

[fickle lotus]

Col slaps. I love it.

[thick kelp]

better be Colossus

[sacred zodiac]

im not feeling it

[thick kelp]

trolling ic

[south pivot]

anyone got any tips for Arms m+ content? cant seem to breack 1,3m overall in 10's and need some content to analyze

[vapid bay]

I play arms on brood and always beat the furies

[drifting apex]

Guys why does my embellish crit over 80% health doesnt stack?

is it bugg or fix or something?

[boreal remnant]

that just speaks to how shit your furies are

[boreal remnant]

happens sometimes, go under 80% and wait for the buff to come back

[drifting apex]

okok ty

[sacred zodiac]

you play with garbage people sorry to hear that

[swift crown]

Maybe they meant the furries

not the furys

Idk there's probably some really bad furries playing WoW

[tacit crystal]

probably?

[astral talon]

Noone even attempts to play arms 😦

I will play collosus on worm

Watch me do negative dmg

But with pride

[swift crown]

Do not cook that

[sacred zodiac]

that is hella sus

i hope you get benched

(i dont hope you get benched but please consider playing a good prog spec)

[astral talon]

I told my guild

That I will try colo