arms

[wanton sierra]

i cannot find the blueposts

[icy mulch]

PvP hasn't seen much balance since it's earliest days. How do you figure it's ever truly been good?
Or are you only looking at it from a Warriors being gigachad or gigastacy in it?

[raven ivy]

I wasn't inviting for a discussion big man lmao

You can have your own opinion and that is okay

[icy mulch]

Well little man, it's a public forum, get use to it.

[wanton sierra]

i remember shadowlands pvp we were all scared from invis convoke driud popin up... one shottin ppl

[shadow ibex]

Ms and exe got buffed and master and commander got buffed

[raven ivy]

Just because someone states something doesn't mean they want to discuss it lmao

[shadow ibex]

Aka they just reverted the master nerfs they made awhile back

Just usual warbringer dev things

[raven ivy]

But yeah, arms received some substantial buffs but they require more to be properly 'decent' in PvP

particularly since Colossus is all but useless because you can just strafe out of it

[boreal quartz]

Very insightful ty

[wanton sierra]

buut only in pvp right ? master and commander wastns that rally talent? at one point it would reduce 2 min from it... on arena rallyin every dangerous combo was VERY good

[shadow ibex]

It also doesn't hit hard in pvp and after using it colossus is now weaker since you don't have OP DMG from stacks

Yea it was pretty good

Uses to be 1 min rally with 30% health

Very good external you could use for your team

Idk what it is now with mnc tbh

[steel sluice]

wild idea but why haven't they removed fatality and replace it with condemn from shadowlands

[thick kelp]

Because Blizzard devs love fatality

and hate condemn

[fresh spire]

at least blord does give a little rage refund

[shadow ibex]

Because using exe always is just the slayer hero spec

[fresh spire]

alternate is fucking cringe

[icy mulch]

I can see it remaining 3 min cool down IF it was still 30%. Now it's only used to make sure ppl have extra cushion for raid blasts instead of a recovery/stabilizer.

[thick kelp]

10 rage

[wanton sierra]

beein able to execute phase at the start of the fight is nice, but every start of combate ppl lust and burst, the execuute window is not that big

[shadow ibex]

I mean you execute always now

[fresh spire]

10 on the class that starves = inssssssane

[shadow ibex]

Just slot slayer

[fresh spire]

tbh im wondering if its time to recheck over colossus stuff and try force a BL build

[thick kelp]

I played around a lil

but i cant get it

[steel sluice]

well the shadow dmg would be nice assuming it ignored armor

[boreal quartz]

I mean sb alr gone itll work...

[thick kelp]

ms too heavy nerf

[boreal quartz]

Surely if u make op prio less

Suuurely

[thick kelp]

[shadow ibex]

Fuck OP

[fresh spire]

kill jug/ep

[boreal quartz]

Just make it spend more somehow

[fresh spire]

go sharpened and max rage

[boreal quartz]

Force Tom overlap...

[shadow ibex]

Blizzard waaaah OP is too powerful let's nerf OP talents

Also blizzard

[wanton sierra]

i never thought i would say this, buut i might try fury thane... imo arms shouuld have thane and colossus option... not slayer..

[shadow ibex]

The fuck is this shit

Also cleave is too invasive let's change the CD

Does anyone feel like it's less invasive now?

Colossus m+ is spamming it anyway

[wanton sierra]

arterial bleed should also stand with dominance of colossus buff duration... not drop when we demo

[shadow ibex]

Just word salad blah blah changes

I mean it's such a good button I feel like an idiot for using anything over it in aoe

How more invasive can it get blizzard

[wanton sierra]

how much of dam your dreadnought is doing?

i feel it soo weak

[shadow ibex]

I don't use dn

[vagrant aspen]

DN not worth

[wanton sierra]

even str in arms.. i know its decent in st... buut overall perspective its like 5~6%

overpower without it its like 5% ish

idk, i might be playin it wrong, im very slacky lataly

[shadow ibex]

You get stacks so fast in aoe the OP buff is gone so fast

In ST you can sit at max stacks getting cdr for awhile

But aoe using cleave sweeping MS and targets getting into exe you have demo up insta

[wanton sierra]

i hate when i press SS on opener then WB Rav TR (those dont contribute with stacks) so i lose a bunch of stacks

memory muscle i guess

[sacred zodiac]

I thought you don't play wb in the year of 2024

[shadow ibex]

Why not

[thick kelp]

its preferred with colossus

[wanton sierra]

since we got tyrn and fort now, idk if its really worth playin BI... wb aoe blast potential is big

[thick kelp]

since haste is not as important for that hero

[wanton sierra]

im talking about m+ only (10s)

i shared some dungeons resuults with testin builds... let me open wow i think i got some on details stikk

[sacred zodiac]

Ic

[wanton sierra]

SOB10 (we died a bunch of times so dam was low)

[teal osprey]

guys, i dont like fury after some testing. am i doomed to play prot in m+ or is arms a viable alternative i could test?

[shadow ibex]

Doomed

[wanton sierra]

we are all doomed

[teal osprey]

😦

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-kermit-kermit-the-frog-muppets-stressed-gif-17987745

[wanton sierra]

play prot, at least its tier S tank

[wild kernel]

For ST the average rotation with no procs/cooldowns should be kind of a rhythm like: MS->Overpower->Spender->MS

This right?

[shadow ibex]

There are 3 globals between ms

[wild kernel]

In that case, still assuming no procs/cds should I be hitting a slam or using the second overpower charge, because I find that I run out of OPs and sometimes have to slam twice in a row

Also pretty much always rage capped anyway which bothers me 😂

[balmy cradle]

why are they nerfing slayer, colossus feels so much worse to play 😦

[shadow ibex]

Too lazy to balance arms and fury separate in hero specs sorry

[wanton sierra]

pressin slam twice in a row feels very bad indeed xD

thats a shitty ability xD slam!! jesus that hits nothihng and you spend your precious rage

i guess its better pressin it than nothin

[icy mulch]

You'll most likely get more invites as prot. That honestly has nothing to do with either dps spec though. It just sucks that dps war brings little else but Middle of the pack damage.

[icy mulch]

Slam use to be a pretty good filler back in the day.

Now it's just meh.

[wanton sierra]

no one shall invite an warrior since they got plenty of better options with utility and all

[icy mulch]

Even the sound of it makes a sloppy spit ball noise.

[wanton sierra]

i rather charge weave sometimes xD

[icy mulch]

1 expac, just one expac I'd like to see Mages bottom of the meta.

Like dog trash tier.

[slow saddle]

They are

For 2 seconds

[icy mulch]

Just so they get a taste of not being prime meta.

[slow saddle]

Kindda like ret pre df🤣

Ret is basicly what arms couldda been😅

[icy mulch]

Yeah, lol, but at least they got some utility out of being trash.

[shadow ibex]

I remember when ret got rework cuz doing st and aoe was impossible

Then I look at colossus and see the same

[icy mulch]

Now their AoE is their ST

[wanton sierra]

they should work on improve warriors str points, like ppl considering invite an warrior coz of big dam, coz of dam reduction, for executin phases... we should shine on those aspects that would make ppl want us in their dungeon

[shadow ibex]

[icy mulch]

We're barely holding on to execute phase kings. In theory anyway.

[slow saddle]

Collosos rly just struggles coz of the 15%ms nerf and op nerfs we got

[shadow ibex]

Waiting on my specs gameplay to roll titanforged

[slow saddle]

For st

[shadow ibex]

One patch will be the one

[icy mulch]

Let us take a moment to remember what was, what we should be.
https://youtu.be/6hMqvb8QiUk?si=VIf3twzEGxP_tmNo

[shadow ibex]

Eventually arms will titanforge

[wanton sierra]

eventually arms will be a titan

kroggarb the titan slayer xD

[woven wasp]

yeah arms execute amirite

[astral talon]

Nah fuck that

Give me back 1000% dmg amped mortal strike

[icy mulch]

Juggernaut from Legion was indeed built different.

[ancient igloo]

can i catalyst mythic BOEs from raid?

[astral talon]

From 50 different modifiers

[clear rain]

is strenghth of arms more aoe damage aswell ? @manic stirrup

[vernal crypt]

Never forget what they took from us...

[wanton sierra]

literally chunks of boss hp drppin! that is what we suposed to do

[icy mulch]

At least Mortal strike has that beautiful sound to go with it.

[astral talon]

Yep

I don't care about juggernaut stacks

I'd much rather have 75% EP

[slow saddle]

Jugger stacks be gone

Buff exd baseline

[dire hinge]

9 mist, been afk for a few days for work and trying to catch up on crests quickly so I’m just spam queuing them.
And yeah, trying not to like, call anyone out, it takes a few seconds and these are strangers so it doesn’t add any value to have them

[icy mulch]

Maybe that's why Condemn was so popular as well. That animation and sound.....

[slow saddle]

Buff ms baseline

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[slow saddle]

Coz we could pump on lust pulls

Which was very nice

[wanton sierra]

condem sound? damn i rather execute sound

[icy mulch]

CS, execute, execute, condemn, condemn, MS, MS. Lol, it made the neurons tiggle.

[wanton sierra]

to fix our class i think we should have an MS buff... to hit like an truck

[slow saddle]

Baseline buff would mean op and exe stacks would be even biggrr

[wanton sierra]

true, sign me in... i hope archimitiros read our sugestion and he talk with his buddies that work on wow dev and get it for us xD

i know im crazy

[slow saddle]

Or bake ms dmg into eb talent??

Eb is so weak atm?

[icy mulch]

Change Battlelord to reset CS cool down. Instant must have.

[slow saddle]

I mean battlelord

[wanton sierra]

reset? or CDR? resetin is way to powerfull

[slow saddle]

Nerf op buff buff baseline ms even more

We have cdr allreadt

Either that or hmm make 1sr hit of demo be a wb

[icy mulch]

Full reset. Like Cata use to have.

[wanton sierra]

maybe another cdr, like when ms crits we get an big 5sec cdr... imagine the TOM windows potential? damnxD it would overlaps and slaps

[slow saddle]

Fuck tom

Never tom again

Iftk is great

[wild kernel]

Remove first 2 hits of demolish and make it one giant aoe swing

[slow saddle]

So aa

[wanton sierra]

imagine big tom with str trink and everythin on? demolish hittin 20M

[slow saddle]

Ancient aftershock

Nah tom is shir

T

[wild kernel]

If I’m dropping a crazy nuke why do I gotta do two dinky swings first

[wanton sierra]

the two dings is for collateral dam stacks

[icy mulch]

I do love ancient aftershock.

[slow saddle]

1st swing warbreaker 2nd swing backswing, 1 overhead monster hack slam yes

I loved ancient aftershock

[icy mulch]

Maybe I fangirl too much over Ardenweald. But got God damnit.... FOR THE WINTER QUEEN!

[wanton sierra]

i had more fun with bastion spear, i blasted those m+ in shadowlands

[slow saddle]

Ardenweld was classic funny weird wow faction

Meh spear was dog vs aa

[wanton sierra]

but when we got sanguine.... i needed to play another game for a week

[icy mulch]

I loved it. Proudly have a transmog for it.

[slow saddle]

U spear in prot

🤣

[icy mulch]

Lol

[slow saddle]

Also spear was fun coz of mikanikos

45sec spear werent it?

[wanton sierra]

now we dont have that nodle that would make SS cdr with the amount of targets hitted

[slow saddle]

It also did big dam

[icy mulch]

It's John Cena WA was comedy gold.

[wanton sierra]

how about BFA? our dam was all about Deep wounds xD

was like 70% of our dam

[slow saddle]

Hehe ye

[icy mulch]

BFA also gave us ToM azerite armor.

[wanton sierra]

it was so op that i manage to do the hiest keys... 26s

[slow saddle]

Tom with silly haste is fun

[wanton sierra]

the that corrupted gear was silly, everyone was so powerfull

[mighty lance]

Corruptions were so much fun

[wanton sierra]

90% baseline haste xD

[mighty lance]

And being crazy OP the last part of the expac is totally fine imo

[dire hinge]

Tank just randomly one shotting a whole pack after you used cooldowns on it bc their space laser procced a few seconds into a pull

[mighty lance]

Haha

Remember those full BDK runs

In the raid

[wanton sierra]

twilight devastation, was strong at the start, everyone was gettin it... but later on no one was pickin it

i remember, i was there

always as arms 💪

[slow saddle]

Ngl if i had the time

Id be team pink

[wanton sierra]

before i play war, i was pally, xammy, priest and mage

once i played warrior, never left it

[valid flame]

You down with the brown

[tropic kestrel]

What is better for M+ at the moment? Arms or Fury?

[white condor]

Give arms steel grasp from diablo

[white condor]

Fury

[wanton sierra]

it appears that thane fury is good now

[full widget]

So arms better than fury

[astral talon]

arms more fun tho

big collosus makes brain go brrrrrrrr

[ashen rampart]

how accurate is the dungeon slice sim for us? I know its never the best metric but I hear for some specs its decent

[tepid citrus]

some will tell you robot is life, some will say it isn't.. both are right

[elfin violet]

BTW does second wind work when u have the affix? i just did a key and completely forgot to notice...

[icy mulch]

I called this mog Fae wild Juggernaut. lol.

[wanton sierra]

lol, nice

as nelf ok, but im dwarf

[prime prairie]

Did the Opportunist Overpower nerf change anything for arms ST? Do you still prioritize Opp Op over MS?

[clear rain]

THIS Is surely beter in aoe?

[nova marsh]

You can just play around 2 stacks of op no2

[clear rain]

30k damage doenst seem like alot

[nova marsh]

I mean yes

[clear rain]

lets say we are only doing +10 target aoe damage

its surely better?

[nova marsh]

It is better in aoe but it's kinda mid

But do you want the aoe gain that's pretty small or a decent st increase in soa

[clear rain]

doin boe farm

no single

farming some quick mythic boes

[nova marsh]

Then yes it's better

For pure aoe

Also remeber with sweeping dreadnought hits twice

[reef glade]

If boe farm then Go fury

[nova marsh]

This too

Fury fucks in aoe

[granite coral]

Lads what have you been dropping for bitter immunity for this weeks affix?

[icy mulch]

Nothing, healer issue.

[wild kernel]

The bass

[icy mulch]

I mean, using a 3 min cooldown for something that pops up a lot more often seems meh.

[clear rain]

nah fuck that

not fun

[nova marsh]

Honestly just bring a couple dispels and have a healing pot and IV ready. You'll be fine

[slow saddle]

Nice

[granite coral]

Kek

[granite coral]

Fair enough thank you!

[zinc rapids]

Make sure you yell at people when they don’t dispel you as well

[icy mulch]

Or just victory rush twice.

[wanton sierra]

fury not fun

[slow saddle]

Take it

Bitter is good

It takes every other

Or u can keep it for a high pressure moment and help out healer

Esp if ya comp isnt good( which it isnt coz brown class is there)

[fluid rune]

Is raider.io accurate when its telling me theres only 2,018 arms warriors in the world?? Fury says theres 48k by comparison

[slow saddle]

Well arms in keys is rough

Vs mountain thane

Fur6

Thane and slayer on fury plays better. Slayer is allready clunky on arms, and col is even worse

[fluid rune]

dang

are arms enjoyers just in the wrong here

[slow saddle]

Arent any enjoyers

Therea sufferera

S

That try to make it work anyway🤣

[icy mulch]

We tend to "ignore pain" a lot.

[mellow seal]

#removeskullsplitter

[dreamy spire]

i want 10.0 skullsplitter back, where you oneshot people in pvp

[lunar zephyr]

Where I can find guide to how to play warrior (arms) as total beginner to the melee classes? Looking for comfort build, not max-dps

[manic stirrup]

the max damage build is comfortable

[vapid igloo]

Honestly, Arms skill floor is super duper low. To just get started on the spec it's incredibly simple. Run the Slayer builds on WoWhead and just pick things up as you go

WoWhead also has a rotation guide section

[manic stirrup]

fury is always more popular and clearly better at the start of expansion

[vapid igloo]

Fury is always more popular regardless of how good Arms is lol

Go back and look at raid statistics for times when Arms is crushing raid, there's still more Fury parses.

[lunar zephyr]

thanks!

[vapid igloo]

And NO ONE plays this spec for M+ lol

[vapid igloo]

Yeah np dawg. If you have any questions about specifics or general ideas in the rotation you can always ask here or shoot me a DM. I've helped several people get their start on Arms xD

[vocal gust]

ANyone have a WA link for tracking lethal blows and marked for execution?

[shell yacht]

tldr arms better build for raids now?

[reef glade]

always has been

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1260850967708958731/1284016360896331816/fatasswizardcastslightning.gif

[silk lily]

the one constant i hear is "it's too slow and not fun" who cares, it's better =p

[sick gazelle]

Real talk the only reason I don't play fury is cuz you're supposed to use 2 hands for 2handers

[plucky zenith]

im done with m+

fuck this shitty company fuck these shitty dungeons

[tacit crystal]

hope you find something more enjoyable then, not worth doing something you dont like

[dire hinge]

depends on your needs. Fury is still able to help with intermittent adds for your team (allows more people to go more single target), but Arms has always been stronger for damage to boss.

[dire hinge]

you can use any weakaura that already exists and swap their "Triggers" to watch for those two buffs instead.
That said, most Arms packages on wago.io should track these if they're up to date for The War Within 👍

[raven sleet]

Probs answered 100 times already, but how's arms in m+?

[shadow ibex]

Fine

[rain robin]

If I have two stacks of overpower and mortal strike up do I cast two overpowers then mortal strike or just 1 and then mortal strike?

[wanton sierra]

blademaster torment better than uuproar?

[teal fossil]

You mortal strike first but that doesn’t happen outside of opener

[wanton sierra]

normaly id say to cast ms then overpower... but you might get an stack of overpower

yes hekili tor edition is right

ill try blademaster torment

[tepid citrus]

[wanton sierra]

pls dont let todu see this, im a slacker i know

[shell yacht]

Thanks!

[devout pewter]

how worth it is it to craft the weapon+wrist combo? Am not really going hard lately, but at least 10s should be in it in a bit. Or should I just craft a 1h because I'm occasionally tanking 😄

[wanton sierra]

im holdin on to next vault, if i get an myth weap id be so mad by craftin it this week

[devout pewter]

I'm at least a couple weeks out to think about myth 😄 Just trying to think ahead. Wouldn't even have an issue dropping the recraft in like a month to get the weapon to gilded

[manic river]

Holy how do you get those avrgs

[ocean dune]

Hey guys, so I got rare hero neck from vault and rare cape from timewalking quest. Other options simmed ~2000 dps better, but would rocking both not be the play?

Survivability for minimal dps loss?

[wanton sierra]

what do u mean? avarages?

[tepid citrus]

I rock both. The neck stacks and the cloak will save you in m+

[manic river]

I mean is the dps score the overall?

[dire hinge]

it's strong, especially for single target. Recent sims after adjustments have it on top of the dusk/dawn threads even at 60% uptime

[devout pewter]

Thanks for the feedback. I simmed myself before asking on the same ilvl my current weapon is and crit/haste and it's "only" a 12k dps increase with both items. That's why I'm not really sure if it's even worth doing it over just grabbing whatever drops

[worldly kernel]

I’m around 625 myth wep simmed less than my crafted wep

It’s a good pickup if you plan to play furry in raid though

[devout pewter]

Who in their right mind wants to play furry? 😄

[worldly kernel]

On mobile not even sure why it AC’d to furry

[devout pewter]

exposed by autocorrect

I dunno if I ever play fury, don't like it... BUT since thane is now good I started to like it a bit... I guess I have to gather some materials..

[shadow ibex]

I haven't touched that spec all expac

[plucky fern]

i'v been running thane fury for two days doing like 1.3-1.5 overall, then did two keys with my colo arms and did 1.7 in both
is that me a terrible fury player or arms lowekey stronger?
same dungeon btw im in grim batol prison 40 runs no trinket

[shadow ibex]

Shit last time I played fury was myth sark

[worldly kernel]

I’m mostly only talking about raid, I’ve been arms only for a very long time but some fights are too good not to play it in raid

I gave up getting skarm or mark. 619 ritual knife sims higher than both of those trinkets at 639

Said it last night but I thought it was sim bait

[sharp pawn]

hey there i would like to craft me a weapon there is no pros and cons for the sword or axe ? ?

[tacit crystal]

no difference

go for appearance or gold

[sharp pawn]

idc about appearance a gilden m8 can craft it for free xD

[dire hinge]

you're safe to use either one

[wanton sierra]

its not the dps score, its the m+ score... i did poorly in some dunugeons, testing builds around

[tranquil sundial]

aerteral bleed quite nice

[wanton sierra]

key lvl and what dg ?

[tranquil sundial]

9 SV

[manic river]

Ahh sorry

[sage badge]

Colossus arms owns

[plucky fern]

yeah arterial seems better now
still slightly less aoe, but big st

[rugged jasper]

Just curious what the reasoning is behind roaring before CD's? Wouldn't it make sense to macro them into roar, then CS?

[plucky fern]

roar initial damage is low

[boreal quartz]

Roar initial damage doesnt matter

[rugged jasper]

So it'd be better to macro in CS?

[plucky fern]

just press it manually man

[rugged jasper]

I had a scenario on rasha playing fury where I found I couldn't fit my buttons in on adds, so macro'ing as much as I could to CD's helped that

[plucky fern]

you cant macro it to anything that is good

all yours cooldowns except for avatar are on gcd

[boreal quartz]

No

You have spots where u hold roar for things but do cs

Like on court

Both are on GCD too

So youd need a shitty castsequence

[rugged jasper]

well roar and cs are on gcd

but you can trinket/ava/roar whatever

or reck/ava/roar/trinket/racial all on one macro

[boreal quartz]

Trinket on ava is fine beyond transmitter

[rugged jasper]

Yeah skaramorak

or whatever

[nova marsh]

Sitchflesh and skarmok getting nerfed makes me happy

Espically stitch. Fuck that boss

[dawn root]

What does everyone run in M+ for embellish? Ascension or 2x Dusklining?

Gonna save up for 636 but im unsure if I should swap embelishes while im at it

[normal marsh]

Ascension in m+

[tranquil sundial]

i just crafted 2x dusklining

isn't it better anyways for arms?

even in ST provided you have a 639 weapon

[normal marsh]

They’re like so close it’s practically indistinguishable iirc. I simmed both and it was within 0.1% at the time

[astral zephyr]

you got a arterial build I could look at?

[astral zephyr]

Thank you brother, lookin good brother

Good to go in m+?

[plucky fern]

yeah works great

[astral zephyr]

So what changes from the slayer juggernaut build, like rotation wise

[plucky fern]

you can look arms m+ guide on maxroll it was pretty good last time i checked

it has colossus info

[formal badge]

What are you guys dropping a point for to get bitter immunity for M+

[tranquil sundial]

we dont run bitter immunity

[astral yarrow]

you do this week

you drop leap cd, second wind, pain n gain a point of overwhelming rage or posthaste

[broken arrow]

I just Dwarf Racial it and pretend Bitter immunity doesn't exist

[tranquil sundial]

dwarf

[formal badge]

i guess overwhelming rage is going

I'll have 0 points in it

[tranquil sundial]

i dont think we have a point for pain n gain either

[twin hazel]

This build for M+ or good for raids?

[tranquil sundial]

for mplus only

hmm

I didn't know you could leap mid demolish and still hit all

leap a lil bit

wouldnt drop bounding stride cos of that tbh

never know when you need that

[twin hazel]

Also Everforged Greataxe or Charged Crusher for crafted weap?

[tranquil sundial]

doesn't matter

they're all within like 0.1 %

[twin hazel]

thx!

[nova marsh]

Which one is cheaper?

[twin hazel]

Axe I think

[nova marsh]

Go with dat

[plucky fern]

bitter immunity is bait just impending victory

[dire hinge]

Being able to instantly get rid of every-other affix is quite nice

[plucky fern]

its just very hard to pick it idk

[dire hinge]

IV is helpful but won’t fully get it

[plucky fern]

i dont like dropping overwhelming rage completely

[dire hinge]

I dropped second wind for it, hasn’t felt too bad

[plucky fern]

i was thinking dropping improved shockwave

dont like dropping second wind

its useful in too many places this season

[tranquil sundial]

go dwarf

[astral zephyr]

Just finished mists +8

This build fucking slaps

[plucky fern]

[shadow ibex]

New project boys

Getting brutal finish fixed

Need to get warbringer devs off their lazy asses

[astral talon]

Can we have st buff for collosus please?

Played it on hc court, was mad fun

I wish I didnt have to pray for jugg stacks before exe phase to do dmg

Ms buff to top it off or EP at 75% would be nice too ngl

[bronze wharf]

are you able to hold jugg stacks all the way to the exe phase?

[nova marsh]

With good enough procs, yeah

[astral talon]

Mythic sikran, 14 stacks at 42%

Wipe

Rashanan, 37%, 12 stacks, zero procs

Its pure rng

If youre unlucky, even with perfectly spacing your executes you cant keep them up

And if you cant keep them up, then too fucking bad, your logs will drop drastically

[nova marsh]

Isn't arms's so fun

*this is why jugg needs to be taken out back

[tacit crystal]

are you just holding sd until last second or jug falling

jug is fun 🙂

execute does damage

[astral talon]

Depends

[tacit crystal]

i think thats the thing im missing to do more damage

starting exec with jug > 0

[nova marsh]

Make exe crits give 2 jugger stacks

Could ramp faster

[fresh spire]

make jug 5 stacks with longer duration

no reason for it to be 15 now

nor be lower duration than prot and fury

[nova marsh]

It should've never been 15

[shadow ibex]

Jugg needs to just decay outside of combat

[fresh spire]

it should be 15 in arms case

instead of 12

[shadow ibex]

Just make it like a DF trinket

[tacit crystal]

its 20 on prot

🙂

[shadow ibex]

And only decay outside of combat

[quasi torrent]

one of a plethora of reasons

[shadow ibex]

Done

Ez

[tacit crystal]

hi anda :3

[shadow ibex]

Copy and paste Anvil

Or signet

[tacit crystal]

signet brand 🙂

[shadow ibex]

And just decay outside combat

Why am I doing dev job for them

[astral talon]

I wonder if we'll get some changes this expansion

Some actual changes

[nova marsh]

We arent getting a mid xpack rework

[tacit crystal]

nah

keep dreaming

[nova marsh]

So we're fucked

Gotta wait till it's 20.0

[shadow ibex]

Lmao

Bro brutal finish don't even work and we 2 months in

Fuckin warbringer devs

[tacit crystal]

what is brutal finish

[shadow ibex]

Choice node with the 10% BS dmg amp

[nova marsh]

BF gives ur next MS +50% dam

After BS ends

[shadow ibex]

Only it don't fucking work

[nova marsh]

yep

It's FUCKED

[shadow ibex]

Fuckin warbringer deva i swear

[nova marsh]

Just like arms is

Arms is doomed

I'm doomed

[shadow ibex]

Fuckin warbringer devs man

[nova marsh]

Arms will die

Blizz is gonna try and recreate classic

where fury is the only viable option

[tacit crystal]

doesnt it work for fury?

[tribal kindle]

Arms is dead long time ago but Arms players are too good they make this spec seems unbalanced

[nova marsh]

yes

[tacit crystal]

🙂

[nova marsh]

Because that's not why it's bugged

Because BF is on rampage

Not Bloodthrist. AKA it dosen't have any interaction with unhinged

[tacit crystal]

🙂

[nova marsh]

God arms makes me wonna jump

[tacit crystal]

ill rescue you with rescue 🙂

[nova marsh]

Oh god not evoker

[tacit crystal]

my demon 606 evoker owns in 10s

i can save you easy

[bronze wharf]

yeah thanks, I have been wondering is any1 able to pull the stacks to the execute phase consistently

[tacit crystal]

its doable

you just have to pay attention

[bronze wharf]

today I also dropped 14s on like 37% pain was real

[sacred zodiac]

reroll immediately

[nova marsh]

no

I refuse

[sacred zodiac]

press n and select a better spec

you have a choice between two

[tacit crystal]

or

press esc

and log out

create new character

mage

🙂

[nova marsh]

I would rather uninstall then roll a caster

[tacit crystal]

play dk then

[nova marsh]

I'm also not a meta chaser

Besides, I'd a crackhead who LIKES arms

[astral talon]

Slayer and colossus?

[nova marsh]

No

Fury or prot

[sacred zodiac]

i think the default page for when you press n is the spec selection

[astral talon]

Mine opens my talent selection first

[tacit crystal]

mine is talents

[minor kraken]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cd591Ee6SUV8D9T2eGnAt5

this makes no sense

why is it asking me to swap to mast and haste gems as Arms

[tacit crystal]

because the robot said so

[sacred zodiac]

cause u navigated to it i believe idk i dont really care king24

[astral talon]

[dire hinge]

because raidbots isn't configured to handle gem assortments and it tries to find which option is best if you replaced every single slot with one single color.

if you're running this gem, you'll want to get one of every Algari gem color, then backfill your extra slots with the Mast/Haste (robot says it's good for you)

[manic river]

Arms becoming a mastery spec

[minor kraken]

ty sir ❤️

[dire hinge]

of course! happy to help

[sacred zodiac]

hrothmar you are spherical

this is crazy to me

[soft saddle]

is there a way to macro stormbolt to cast right after bladestorm? I tried just /cast bladestorm /cast stormbolt bt it didn't cast the stormbolt

[dire hinge]

I woudln't recommend it, there's instances where you'll want stormbolt available to stop something but if you're casting it every time you start bladestorming it's gonna put you in a situation where you're powerless by default

both are on the GCD, meaning you can't macro them together that way, your macro will try and re-cast bladestorm which it can't do, then it'll fail

[tacit crystal]

wouldnt it cancel bs

[dire hinge]

you could acomplish it via a castsequence, but ehhhh i wouldn't really bother. It's a minimal dps gain at the cost of messing up your ability to stun

[tacit crystal]

then 3rd be dtormbolg

[dire hinge]

nah you have to /cancelaura bladestorm for that, i dont think a /cast cancels

[soft saddle]

Well thanks for the input, I agree with the minimal dps increase and I only want it for raidbosses that can't be stunned anyways haha. There's this other warrior that I'm trying to blow out of the water in the charts and every little bit counts

[tacit crystal]

practicing your rotation will do more for that than pressing stormbolt every 45 seconds

[dire hinge]

i mean stormbolting is an incredibly small gain 😅

yeah

[tacit crystal]

if stormbolt was the difference maybe

[soft saddle]

a man can only smack a dummy for so long before his mind wanders

[tacit crystal]

but 99/100 times in this discord it is the rotation

learn to enjoy hitting the dummy

[dire hinge]

if stormbolting is the difference between you guys you're either both gods or both messing up something more important elseswhere 😂

[lethal acorn]

This build is godlike, highly recommend

[tacit crystal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898695696482305/1290964051261788160/image.png?ex=67099436&is=670842b6&hm=9622471b827af65e80b66cf82c9033d325738bba2ffb4deea379c011baf00a38&

[soft saddle]

we're both messing up, trust me. Im a prot main and just swapped to get AOTC and I'm already ahead

[dire hinge]

well fwiw we're here to help

You're always welcome to post logs in #449510248579858432 as well for feedback 👍

[tacit crystal]

this is me hitting the dummy to learn arms

[soft saddle]

yall dps players are something else 💀

[tacit crystal]

thats the bare min

[minor kraken]

is actually worth running that gem that requires using other gem colors?

[manic stirrup]

@sacred zodiac what do u think for court

[manic stirrup]

@hazy flower

[echo moss]

is there a most optimal amount of stacks for the ovi'nax trinket?

[fallen flume]

ret got one in DF

[hazy flower]

we still on kyveza at 20%, havent paid any attention if the fight is diff from hc

soa for dreadnaught prob

wouldnt take cleave but then again I dont really know what changes on mythic

oh its colossus lmao how does it sim compared to slayer on 2t

[nova marsh]

Yes I'm aware

Ret started it

[fallen flume]

good, should be a norm when specs are in need of changes honestly

[manic stirrup]

no idea but i havent simmed at all

[dire hinge]

yuppers 👍

[burnt stratus]

guys, quick arms spell prio on st quick quick

[nova marsh]

....yes this is a fact? All I've said is we aren't getting one

If blizz can't even remeber our ability names, I doubt they'd even know what needs to change

They probally see arms performing just fine and think "well the spec must be okay to play, no changes needed"

[burnt stratus]

ily

[dire hinge]

#dps-faq is your best friend

[burnt stratus]

I'm jumpscaring my guild going arms and doing dogshit dps

[dire hinge]

i mean at that point: hekili

unironically

[burnt stratus]

ah, maybe it's a silly me thing but

takes away a bit of the fun

[dire hinge]

it do

[vital rune]

Missed 10 NW by 22 sec

Big sad

[nova marsh]

spend some time on a dummy

pratice the rota

[burnt stratus]

Yeah I'm mid raid haha

but true, gotta practice

[nova marsh]

OH

Well

pratice for next time. Prove ya don't belong warming up the bench

[burnt stratus]

been postponing this cause I hate ss

oh

I hate ss*

[nova marsh]

SS isn't really a big deal

Just press on CD if there are adds, but as arms in raid it's not really ur job

Ur a boss killer

[sick gazelle]

how does defensive stance's dmg reduction interact with the damage reduction from die by the sword and spell reflection?

[vital rune]

But then how will I pad?

[sick gazelle]

and i guess another question how activating both die by the sword and spell reflection works

[vital rune]

Random thing I just thought of... Can we spell reflect fox on Mists?

[gilded stump]

Try it

[vital rune]

That feels like bait

[tender ermine]

Are there any good tools to analyse performance in raid? Like any sites that can analyse a log and spit out rotational mistakes or obvious errors I might have make?

[fallen flume]

damn this was very sad to see

bet the guy who wrote Warbringer is the one who got culling cyclone nerfed too

[nova marsh]

Not any that are actually up to date

Wowanalyer is that site but it's very poorly maintained, espically for dps war

Irrc wipe fest exists but that's more mechincal then rotational

[strange perch]

I got a weapon crafted and it came out 615

Did I get fucked?

[balmy kindle]

Yes

[strange perch]

Heck

[wanton sierra]

[strange perch]

I had max rank materials and everything

[balmy kindle]

DW you can still recraft it without sparks but it's gonna cost you more money

[strange perch]

Can I Re craft it without a crest? This was my freebie from the raid before I start trying to do real content

So next time I should look for a crafter out of trade instead of a public order is the lesson? I had all materials max rank and all that

[fathom shoal]

yeah you can use the same crests, but need to redo materials

just select 'recraft' i think its at the top of the menu

[strange perch]

Ahhh okay so not all is lost

[balmy kindle]

Sorry I meant you dont need a crest to recraft

Just put up materials and get someone better to do it

[strange perch]

If I hadn’t done a public to begin with would I have been okay ya think?

[fathom shoal]

possibly, just ask in world chat for a r5 crafter

[balmy kindle]

Public is dice rolling

[fathom shoal]

shouldnt be hard to find

[strange perch]

Cool, thanks guys

I am so embarsssed

[fathom shoal]

👍

[fringe moon]

this is the highest simming build for me in M+

[balmy cradle]

in aoe probably

wouldnt it suck in st?

[nova marsh]

I mean

it's colossus

So yeah it's gonna be mid af in st

I stg colo does like just 100k more then fury st

[supple flax]

when are they gonna yeet anger management

i've never seen such a clumsy implementation of cdr

its ability to just fuck up the whole spec is astonishing

[nova marsh]

How is it clumsy?

[supple flax]

desyncs everything

[nova marsh]

That's not why it's desynced

[supple flax]

desyncs cs/wb from bladestorm and roar

[nova marsh]

It's in part because of heros and in part because it was nuked from orbit

And uproar got buffed

Bs desyncs because of the hyper cdr from slayer, roar deayncs because with the way we usually run it's cd is cut in half

[supple flax]

bruh

[nova marsh]

It's multiple things, not JUST AM

[supple flax]

yea it's multiple things but if you removed slayer cdr it would still desync

from bladestorm

and even if bladestorm got 2s from anger management, it would desync both of them from avatar and roar

like i said, clumsy

[sullen tapir]

does anyone have a ingle target arm build for raid?

single*

[nova marsh]

So because evreything dosent align it's clumsy okay bro

[supple flax]

yes

[dire hinge]

#dps-faq is your best friend

[sullen tapir]

ty

[nova marsh]

Or they could idk

[shadow ibex]

Bs doesn't desync cuz of am it's cuz slayer. With 45 and 90 sec CD they always align. every other CS = BS

[supple flax]

wtf

[nova marsh]

As it's always been

[supple flax]

just read the tt

[shadow ibex]

Am just makes it 23 46

Instead of 45 90

Or whatever

[nova marsh]

Have you played colossus? This isn't me being mean, I'm genuinely asking

Cuz colossus aligns more consistently

[hollow wave]

Does veteran vitality from colossus heal 12% of the max health in 2 secs or it heals 12% of the max health per second for 2 seconds?

[manic stirrup]

@hexed saddle link colossus talents

[hexed saddle]

linked

[manic stirrup]

ty

[dire hinge]

it's 6% every 1 second, twice.
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=441387/second-wind

[worldly kernel]

just copped off of sikran leggo

[dire hinge]

noice mana get

[worldly kernel]

i have it hero track but I got lucky

[balmy kindle]

5167 haste

[hollow wave]

Isn't 12% healing every minute very low?

[hollow wave]

if you down 35% life

[hollow wave]

for a hero talent node

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/please-pray-donald-trump-speech-bubble-please-donald-trump-gif-9519662826781862517

[vital summit]

Well it's not great but the other option is garbage

[teal fossil]

all the defensive hero talent nodes are designed to be very minor

[astral yarrow]

[tacit crystal]

:woo:

[thorn pelican]

:wee:

[dire hinge]

[warm thistle]

Guys I ran my best keys in dragonflight with ARMS how is the specc in TWW? In dungeon slice it sims not really that high compared to others with similar itemlvl

[boreal quartz]

Arms is fine fury is fine

Arms has more builds as usual

[torn minnow]

arms has button bloat tho

[boreal quartz]

Just like df

[torn minnow]

worse

[dire hinge]

there's build variants if you wanna drop some of the bloat

but yeah, arms usually has a bit more buttons

[torn minnow]

having skullsplitter and colossus smash in the full aoe build is pretty lame

seems like a design flaw

[manic stirrup]

u dont play colossus smash in the 'full aoe' build

[boreal quartz]

WB

[minor gust]

yeah Warbringer owns

best arms abillity

[torn minnow]

the full aoe build in the pins begs to differ?

but yeah, i agree warbringer is great

i miss it

[manic stirrup]

CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAzMjZMzMzsZbZZMDAAAADmGGDLDzAzsMmZGMzwYGYGzAAAAAAAgZMbjxAsFDgNzYYBGYGtRDgF

run this

swap one against many for arterial bleeds for a small st gain for a small aoe loess if you want more st damage

[torn minnow]

thx

currently progging H queen as fury, will try it for giggles

[manic stirrup]

definitely not good for ansurek prog

but go for it

[torn minnow]

we are working on p1 coordination

my dam is not going to matter for a bit

[weak wave]

Can we deal with this weeks affix for ourselfs? Does Second Wind heal away the absorb?

[thick kelp]

I would argue p1 fury damage matters the most since you solo roots

[tight quarry]

Anyone know why when I swap to colossus hero talents my bladestorm macro stops working? It's just a normal cancel macro but it gets greyed out completely and I have to swap to the basic ability.

[edgy solstice]

bc you're talented into Ravager?

[tight quarry]

No I have the same setup as my slayer build for m+

I just wanted to try colossus and bladestorm also disappears from my weakaura thats tracking my cds. But I can use bladestorm if I pick it up from the spellbook

[torn minnow]

Stoneform

[fickle lotus]

Dwarf / Darkirondwarf works ?

[torn minnow]

yarp

and 2 of the 3 warrior hero classes are dwarf-themed

Blizz trying to tell you something

[weak wave]

So 2nd Wind doesn't work?

[torn minnow]

idk

[torn minnow]

real talk though, is the crafted weapon+ascendance, doubled, better than two regular stat embelishments?

[thick kelp]

Depends on the context

[worldly kernel]

at the start of the xpac it was like roughly 1% ahead it was situational, most people running keys like double lining over ascendance. most people who crafted in raid run ascendance

really depends

[teal fossil]

no one is stopping you from running wb for "pure AOE"

its still a gain

its just that we decided that the tradeoff isnt worth it

there is a way to spec for massive AOE and do tank levels of ST

[torn minnow]

so like fury but worse, i like it

[teal fossil]

yeah basically

would look something like this

"full aoe"

[strange perch]

Mountain 🗻thane👨‍🦼

[frosty basin]

Guys how is your dmg comparable to other classes in M+?

I have a feeling vs better players I start to fall off hard

[thick kelp]

Its there

kind of

not really

down bad

[frosty basin]

You playing colossus?

[odd crest]

Bitter immunity

[thick kelp]

Yeah mostly colossus

[frosty basin]

didnt even think of this, could be a nice play for higher keys

[odd crest]

As dwarf you can use bitter immunity and stoneform, covers most of the affix

[astral yarrow]

about 2/3 some would argue

[edgy solstice]

you would be correct

it's been worse tho

[frosty basin]

I hope some ilvl and crafting my back and bracers should help a bit

Versa or crit for crafted?

[bronze wharf]

will you stream with +12 nerfs?

[edgy solstice]

maybe

i've just been d4ing this week

[edgy solstice]

tempting tho. prob at some point this weekend

[buoyant cargo]

Guess thats how it is supposed to be.
I mean you want warrior to be still top DPS even if you are playing worse than the "better players"?

[frosty basin]

I want to be on par with the better players,

[buoyant cargo]

Best thing we can get is beeing on par with players that are same skill level. More skilled players should always be better. Thats how balancing should be.

[balmy kindle]

Gear is a big factor though

If you are talking about parses, how fast your group kills also affects your parses too

[frosty basin]

Talking about m+ here

[tacit crystal]

are you just ignoring damage profiles

[edgy solstice]

equal skill, equal gear. you will lose to a lot of specs

[balmy kindle]

Damage profile matters though

[frosty basin]

Thats my issue atm

[balmy kindle]

Realistically you are not gonna easily beat the meta slaves for sure

[buoyant cargo]

Yeah but he was talking about "better" players

[balmy kindle]

In any case if your m+ group arms is on top

Rather be 2nd or 3rd and have a smooth run

[frosty basin]

I would say any player doing +10s in time atm is a better player

[edgy solstice]

it's manageable

i'm still top in a lot of my 11-12 pugs but yeno

variables

[buoyant cargo]

Mate i am totally fine in a +10 when the better player is top DPS. I dont want to top meters as the worst player in the group. That would be obviously imbalanced.

[tacit crystal]

how cursed is this for keys if im just going for boss damage

[balmy kindle]

Not cursed

[frosty basin]

The thing I am talking about is I play with the same ppl for years in DF I would fight with them for top spot at the end of the dungeon, in TWW I cant win at all

[balmy kindle]

I mean, is timing more impt or winning the dmg charts lol

[frosty basin]

If you are in key ofc timing is important but you cant time the key if your dmg is shit

So yeah you got to improve your dmg to improve your chance on timing the key even if you make mistakes

[balmy kindle]

Yes but our damage is not terrible, I am still doing 8-9s because Ilevel but we are competitive

[frosty basin]

I dont feel competitive thats what I am saying

[balmy kindle]

If you are in the 0.01% realm then I guess you should just reroll

[frosty basin]

Maybe I just dont play well with new talents

[astral talon]

you play off meta spec, it is what it is

you dont win against meta specs

[edgy solstice]

what type of keys are you doing

you will feel weird balancing in rat keys way more than you will in relatively higher ones

bc mobs die right away and classes aren't tuned around that

but if you're just doing 10-11s, it's prob an input issue

[balmy kindle]

Colossus aoe is competitive at least, now boss dmg

[strange perch]

Froob

Zaroob

@quick night

^

GG

[bronze wharf]

i found myself that after hopping to 10s doing numbers is much easier since you can actually have time to deal damage

no idea about slayer tho

[bronze wharf]

its its single you can just sim it but if youre going for EP then massacre probably would be better than battlelord especially in slayer

[slow saddle]

thane is more fun in 10s than 7s ye 😄

[balmy kindle]

Fury ST

[slow saddle]

fury ST IN M+ build good 🙂

[balmy kindle]

Granted the Thane build looks kind of fun, but boss damage is kind of ehh

[clear rain]

does this proc well

[plucky fern]

didnt test it on warrrior because it never dropped, but on my brewmaster monk this thing is busted

[balmy kindle]

It Sims horrible

Remember it was like 2.5% worse than fang trinket on champ track at 606

[clear rain]

was gonna test it for BOE farm

looks like a good burst option

it simmed well on 8 target 20 sec

[balmy kindle]

Mb, was strictly talking about patchwork / dungeon slice

[quick night]

hey babe

[clear rain]

well its mb since i should mention my target xd

its an odd target

[weak wave]

Can please anyone test of Second Wind can heal the debuff?

[strange perch]

My name is tyler durden and i have schizophrenia hello i am the narrator and i hate my stable well paying job

[quick night]

🤓

[strange perch]

STOP

NERD EMOJI

YOU FUCKING GUY

[plucky fern]

it can but takes a lot of time to do so

[weak wave]

Naah that's great. Second Wind + Victory Rush + a few hots and we are fine

[vapid igloo]

When you're playing with your friends the most important thing is being at the top of the charts at the end of the dungeon

any based M+ friend haver will know this

[balmy kindle]

that's true, when I play with my guildie who is playing FDK, I do kind of try to 1UP him in a banter way

[rotund spire]

Is it worth it to use skull splitter on CD disregarding rend timer? Cause sometimes mine is back and rend is 9 8 sec and the bleed advance is kinda lower if I waited a little to refresh.

[weak wave]

Doesn't make any difference

[rotund spire]

Cool ty

[vapid igloo]

I think of Skullsplitter as a replacement of Slam in the rotation

When MS is on CD, I don't have SD procs, and I'm out of OP/want to generate more OP

[rotund spire]

Yeah was just wondering if I should just treat as a rage increase or if the bleed advance was good enough to minmax that

[vapid igloo]

eh

Yeah doesn't really matter much lol

[astral yarrow]

outside execute its pressed above your 2nd op charge and with ms on cooldown, during execute its just pressed whenever you are below 85 rage

[sacred zodiac]

@astral yarrow do you know specifics about sks rend pandemic windows

[astral yarrow]

wdym

as in refresh rend during sks window?

[sacred zodiac]

ya

is the pandemic timer identical (<4s) or do i need to pandemic when the duration is lower

[astral yarrow]

unless you have something relevant to press (op ms exe) you optimally dont refresh before it would run out

actions.slayer_st=rend,if=dot.rend.remains<=gcd

top line in slayer apl for reference

[sacred zodiac]

hm

[tacit crystal]

so you let sks rend run out?

[astral yarrow]

actions.slayer_st+=/rend,if=dot.rend.remains<=gcd*5
This is the other condition for rend refresh, but rarely will happen during sks

[astral yarrow]

no you refresh with 1 gcds equivalent duration left - as in, if rend is gonna drop before you get next global off, optimally you refresh rend

[tacit crystal]

ah

i didn tthink gcd was an int

[astral yarrow]

you could replace it with 1.5 if you wanted for the same result

[quasi torrent]

its not 4s for rend

It's 30% of base duration.. m

[sacred zodiac]

my wa glows when its <4s i do not care about anything you tell me

[quasi torrent]

(6.3s)

maybe fix ur WA then

[astral yarrow]

pandemic is 7 seconds with bloodletting no?

[sacred zodiac]

facts dont care about your feelings

[quasi torrent]

Idfk what BL does

[quasi torrent]

imma be honest

[astral yarrow]

uh, roar and rend duration

i think

i hope

leftside bottom 4 nodes of arms tree

[quasi torrent]

its 21 for rend with bloodletting

15 without

i assume thats where the 4s on spongers WA comes from, as that would be a 4.5s baseline

[astral yarrow]

ye

why tf do you actually remember 6.3

and not either 6 or 7

mathsciopath

[sacred zodiac]

lemme log in and see how its actually selected

very interesting

[astral yarrow]

7 is the real pandemic and anda cant change my mind

[quasi torrent]

bro 21 * 0.3 = 21 / 10 * 3 = 2.1 * 3 = 6.3

its very obvious

[astral yarrow]

whole numbers only

and we round up

gottem

[quasi torrent]

all kings floor intead of ceil

[astral yarrow]

21 * 0.3 = 7

simple math

[quasi torrent]

real

* 0.3 = / 3

so true

[astral yarrow]

just like you can order a hurricane, i can decide what rules math for my math

[quasi torrent]

ah huh

[frigid cipher]

we love decimals

[quasi torrent]

i am just assuming it works like this

whoops i cut off lower cond, but it sohuld be obvious

[vapid igloo]

thanks had to add this to my server

[vapid igloo]

eggmaxxing

[quasi torrent]

🥚 🥚 🥚 🥚

[icy mulch]

You know what all this reminds me of....

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-silly-place-holy-grail-gif-14462043

[weak wave]

Btw:

[thorn field]

Whats the original image for that lol

[sacred zodiac]

its on reddit somewhere i think

said bitter immunity for warrior which is reasonable

[slow saddle]

bitter immunity is good man

its almost never every1 of em thats pressure time

i just hold it to a situation where theres pressure and then send it insta to help healer

[wanton sierra]

is it count as gcd? can we press it on bs?

[halcyon breach]

Bitter Immunity is off GCD

Though I don't know if you can press it mid BS

Have not tried

[wanton sierra]

we can rally and ip while bsin... and slayer can even stormbold and pummel

i mean, decent take when you dont hhave an shammy

[stark shadow]

And yet they refuse to press it

[wanton sierra]

as dwarf i got stoneform, and bitter imu its another panic buutton

[halcyon breach]

Have not looked at Arms trees enough to see if it's no problem, but Thane Fury doesn't really struggle picking it up so I imagine Arms shouldn't be an issue either

[wanton sierra]

not an issue, warrior tree you can remove utilities without losing dam

[astral yarrow]

you just drop second wind, one point in max rage thingy, movement speed thingy or leap cd

plenty of options to drop to get BI

[wanton sierra]

yes, or even that one that reduces shockwave cd

[halcyon breach]

You could reasonably just copy this as Arms too

Remove the Avatar capstone for Uproar ofc (if running that)

[astral yarrow]

although Thane is kinda tight on points for it if you want the TC larger aoe thing on the right side of the tree

[wanton sierra]

hey, blademaster torment better than uproar?

[halcyon breach]

Crackling is genuinely useless

I've yet to find a scenario where I thought I wanted more range on my TC

Mobs have to be spread A LOT for TC not to hit them

[wanton sierra]

maybe on omega boss pull, when adds are commin and a lil spread

idk, i woudnt pick cracklin

[halcyon breach]

Even then I think the scenario is so rare I'd rather pick something I know I'll get value out of a lot more often than that

[astral yarrow]

i like, but wouldnt say i couldnt live without it either

[halcyon breach]

Even with terrorist tanks and knockbacks, I've not had issues yet in keys with pugs

[astral yarrow]

I've done very few thane keys after buffs, but i did do a decent amount when i wanted something different when i farmed skarmorak shard

[wanton sierra]

i do like to get wreking throw, minor dam when you need to spread to avoid dam, better with shields

[halcyon breach]

I don't think Wrecking is ever worth picking

[astral yarrow]

i think i might just have whirlwind syndrome of the jumping while pressing it for longer arms, but that might be placebo

[tacit crystal]

shattering

[wanton sierra]

just keep gcd rolling, i mean, you need to avoid dam anyway

[halcyon breach]

Yeah of course, but think I'd want the point somewhere else and then instead just HC Throw

I'm in a big habit of just HC Throwing anyway the moment I have to go out for more than 1 GCD

It just doesn't do enough damage

[wanton sierra]

ye me too, i just swapped hc throwing to wreck xD

[astral yarrow]

AND THIS IS WHERE TC RANGE COMES IN AYOO

[halcyon breach]

bro

[astral yarrow]

cant help pressing ww when i walk out

[wanton sierra]

yes no dam, i did hit 2M on a shield boss, that one that drops that trink that give uus maestry, stonevault

[halcyon breach]

I did the same on Kyveza

Whenever middle dashes happened

Press WW because I go out of melee quickly just so I don't get sniped (when I remembered to)

[astral yarrow]

you can hit her while shes in the middle, but i really dislike risking it xd

[wanton sierra]

omg, he is truue!! tc range clips!! big brain warrior

[halcyon breach]

Yeah I tried it a few times

More often than not I got clipped

[astral yarrow]

yeah i just use it as a place to refresh rend

[daring heron]

i just stand on/behind tank at max melee range

[halcyon breach]

That'd mean I'm in front of her..

I'd rather risk getting clipped than risk a parry

[astral yarrow]

that boss has got to stop parrying during the suckies

dont need that texture in my life

[halcyon breach]

My blood pressure has risen more times on Kyveza due to parries than any other boss I think

[wanton sierra]

wreck throw it man! that one afix that spawn an add on execute range has shield, big value xD

[daring heron]

love the insane texture of getting your SD exe parried when trying to consume your 3x mfe

[halcyon breach]

Exe parry -> drop 15 Jugg stacks

[tacit crystal]

[daring heron]

my arms and fury sim is like 6k diff now so i swapped back to fury tbf

[halcyon breach]

Last I looked I'm still 40k diff

[daring heron]

maybe my arm gear is just bad

[tacit crystal]

you arm missing an arm 🙂

[wanton sierra]

did jugg stacks has been nerfed?i felt its duration was smaller, i literally got it droppen on some boss fights

[vital summit]

stop playing arms with legs

[tacit crystal]

its 12 on arms

[halcyon breach]

Nah it's still the same 12 sec

[tacit crystal]

15 fury and 20 prot 🙂

[astral yarrow]

arms still 25k ahead of fury but i get wildly different results pull to pull playing arms

[halcyon breach]

Also try and sim with specific flasks

[astral yarrow]

sometimes bs lines up with cs other times it doesnt

[halcyon breach]

I've had crit/haste sometimes sim like 4-5k ahead of chaos

(Also have used haste flasks more than chaos during prog at this point I think)

[latent moss]

yeah when ur dps depends on sd procs

[astral yarrow]

yeah its annoying

[latent moss]

its fine but