arms

[loud wadi]

yes i love colossus too but more single target damage wouldn't be bad.

[icy mulch]

But even without ToM, you hit OP twice to get MS to do decent damage. If lucky 1 or 2 SD procs, and can get that juicy 2 mil MS.

Hard to fit that into a CS window.

Hard to get that lucky

[glacial moat]

It just felt good. Like all three warrior specs felt awesome in legion.

Alot of classes were this way. Artifact power and legendaries go brrrrrr

[livid cloak]

AP was misery

Don't let rose tinted goggles make you forget

[manic river]

Is mastery really working out for some arm builds?

[icy mulch]

There was bad parts about Legion. Like if you didn't get the right legendary early on.

[shadow ibex]

cant wait for tom buff

i wanna have perma dmg amps as colossus

tom/cs/demo 10% dmg taken debuff up all the time

[icy mulch]

I think CS needs to have its proc reset returned to tactician.

The rework to arms in DF was just such a hap-hazard product. So now it feels like we're duct taping everything together.

[gaunt owl]

it was BFA

that cursed the spec

[shadow ibex]

we've been playing same thing since BFA p much

just with various legendary/azerite traits thrown in the tree

instead of making something cohesive

just here's seismic wave but its DN now. here's EP. here's tom here's battlelord

here's unhinged

press MS. press OP. tact lights up spend excess with slam

[tranquil sundial]

just lovely really

nerf warrior more

esp arms

[gaunt owl]

push button harder

less looking at logs

[shadow ibex]

i mean

it is dumb we caught a nerf

because blizzard is too lazy to balance the hero specs separate

[gaunt owl]

they could have left it as is

legit

[shadow ibex]

we could really use a small ST bump

[gaunt owl]

we knew we were mid tier for ST

[shadow ibex]

considering youre super mega pigeonholed into only playing ST

for some reason rets got love for that reason

[gaunt owl]

we just got nuked because its a nice Fury tier on some boss

[shadow ibex]

but brown just nothin

[edgy solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-just-stop-please-stop-stop-it-meme-gif-26307878

[gaunt owl]

revert MS nerf

give it the glorious 20% back

[thick kelp]

Dont look at sikran for ST

so bad

[shadow ibex]

they not paying attention king

[thick kelp]

since we have run out mechanic at 1:30

[shadow ibex]

warbringer devs

cant be bothered not to nerf BS for arms when nerfing it for fury

[thick kelp]

We are one 20%ms revert away from colossus meta

in raid too

[primal urchin]

sikran is a short fight with a LOT of RNG in terms of who gets forced downtime

[gaunt owl]

the best ST fight this tier is Princess

just pray to god you dont have any mechanics

[boreal quartz]

inshallah

[merry nexus]

hi folks, just looking at the arms build on DPS-FAQ, why would you choose blunt instruments over warbreaker for mythics?

[shadow ibex]

depends what u wanna do

wanna do more aoe take WB

more ST take blunt

[thick kelp]

if you play colossus

always go wb

[tranquil sundial]

we just stack cds and we dont move out

huh

[shadow ibex]

must be nice having a brave grp

[merry nexus]

I was under the impressiong AoE is priority for mythics compared to ST
Ive been playing slayer atm, however colossual channel is sick

[thick kelp]

Let me just uhhh

dbts

and fly to madagascar

[tranquil sundial]

how is that a problem

charge back

you lose like .5 seconds

not even a global

[shadow ibex]

can u survive with just dbts

[thick kelp]

no

[shadow ibex]

boo

[thick kelp]

tested and tried this week

[shadow ibex]

lmao

[gaunt owl]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[shadow ibex]

hmmm

will you die if u get mech with the 20% dmg taken debuff

assuming not mega low ilvl

[arctic fractal]

schrodinger's test of might made me lol, thanks

[quartz cedar]

Good afternoon, Skyhold!

[sacred zodiac]

noob

[quartz cedar]

Question about gems. Are you guys using multiple different gems to maximize the crit buff from the culminating blasphemite or stacking one kind of gem? Guide tells us to diversify, sims say to stack quick rubies

[thick kelp]

Make sure to checkmark the box to force 4+ gems

[quartz cedar]

there's a box to force +4 gems?? so i infer from that that diversifying is the right way to go then.

[thick kelp]

Might be might not be

you have to sim both options

[quartz cedar]

i dont even see that checkbox

[shadow ibex]

you have to pick a meta gem first

it doesnt appear until you click one and tick always use

[thick kelp]

Press here first

on Always use

[shadow ibex]

yea

[quartz cedar]

ahhhh

thank you

[shadow ibex]

it doesnt appear until that box is checked

[wild ruin]

Not sure if I liked cata or early legion arms the most, cata was just smooth, early legion was uniquely satisfying because of focused rage though

[boreal quartz]

@thick kelpsikran

rip my log

[radiant cliff]

How viable would Arms be mainly for raid but like keys up up to 9?

[thick kelp]

Very good

[thick kelp]

horror

[radiant cliff]

Awesome

It's a pain gearing fury AND arms

Stats are so diff

[thick kelp]

Arms works with all stats

so just gear fury and get some rings for arms

and you will be like maybe 5k behind a fully bis arms only gear guy

[boreal quartz]

idk im just playing dogshit awful

but also got 2 charges

[thick kelp]

Worst enemy

[shadow ibex]

[thick kelp]

Mechanics

[boreal quartz]

like im at 1.1 mil ish 1 min to go

#

neck didnt even drop

[thick kelp]

My arms neck is pure horror

[pseudo sun]

I sim way higher than i actually perform during fights. I cant help but feel like i either get things wrong or the fights themselves dont go my way

[boreal quartz]

i refuse to socket it

[pseudo sun]

It there an addon or a weakaura that can help with managing the rotation? I dunno what else to do

[boreal quartz]

hekili

but also log a run get some help

[thick kelp]

madg

i just want sikran or rashanan neck

[pseudo sun]

Ive never heard of hekili and ill try that, thank you

[astral talon]

sureki?

[boreal quartz]

ye

[astral talon]

fam

I had 1mil

entered phase with 15 stacks

cuz lucky rng

and i died

to 0 heal over 10 seconds

i only got some small aoe shit heals

[fickle lotus]

When is the 2nd Frontal on 2nd Boss myth ? 1:30 ?

[limpid hornet]

slayer still ahead for ST ?

[shadow ibex]

Yes

[limpid hornet]

though i read something about this on Archi's posts but can't find it anymore

[limpid hornet]

ty

[shadow ibex]

Don't think of colossus in raid until you read a blue post saying MS is buffed

[thick kelp]

Colossus is better on silken

[astral talon]

is it really?

O_O

okay

if all goes well

like it did now

i should have around 1.2mil dps on rashanan

[wraith spade]

When i swap to arms from fury it leaves me with no mainhand and a 2hander in my offhand (fury offhand = my arms weap), anyone know how to rig gearsets to fix that

[white condor]

Is arms getting buffed anytime soon

[lavish siren]

Arms is so fun

Lil bit of bloat but rotation is dynamic enough it doesn’t get boring

[astral talon]

why is rashanan so dogshit

[boreal quartz]

so real

[vapid bay]

Its time for a rework tho

[lavish siren]

I’ll relay to blizz

[spring vale]

Tell them to turn Slam into Execute when you get SD/target is in range

to cut 1 button away from bar

[astral talon]

nah for real

we had ENTIRE soak in green puddle xD

[lavish siren]

Ide use slam, such a doo doo button

[spring vale]

Slam helps me not feel despair when I'm out of buttons to press and rage is full

[atomic mountain]

I am to stupid to sim so here my question

Ovinax, ara kara and thorim umduar trinked all in champion track. What is the the best combo

[spring vale]

the hope of an Overpower refund

[boreal quartz]

i got murdered by someones web

cr and then get meleed insta

[astral talon]

lmao

[boreal quartz]

pull b4 was 98 log kill was 9

[astral talon]

fam, 1.15 mil at like 20% of the boss O_O

FULL stacks

dudu ran with web to wrong side

[boreal quartz]

idk man i am soooo tilted from today raid

im not playing well

guild not playing well

unluckiest kill pulls

[alpine glade]

how to compare logs ?

[boreal quartz]

like to someone else or

[alpine glade]

someone else

like search some ppl in my ilvl area

[boreal quartz]

theres a compare function in your report for that

[alpine glade]

yeah but how do i use it

[astral talon]

dude

same

[astral talon]

and i didnt get ring from sureki

[tacit crystal]

you press search

[astral talon]

or was it horror

anyway, i didnt get shit

i have champion ilvl ring xD

[ruby brook]

Was there a buff to Arms yesterday?

[astral talon]

nerf

[ruby brook]

Damn

[slow saddle]

Buff to colo

[minor gust]

Minor buff to a talent you would only take in pure ST so pretty worthless rn

[slow saddle]

Ofc

[astral talon]

@boreal quartz 1.3mil at the moment of my death 😦

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE

even if we take aug into consideration

that's 95+ log

that could be close to 99 man

kill me

[boreal quartz]

I had 98 the pull before kill 10% before boss deadge

Very unfort

[astral talon]

fucking hell man

can't wait for 50 logs when i kill

[boreal quartz]

Gz happy for u

[hazy flower]

no

[boreal quartz]

Idc the log man

[astral talon]

i do on this boss

I am the execute guy

[boreal quartz]

I just feel ass killing on worst pull

[astral talon]

i want good logs there

[boreal quartz]

I prefer good logs

But i wanna be happy with my play first

And i just wasnt

[astral talon]

dude

dude

xD

man's leaving us a green dick on our soak

[dire hinge]

more like a teewee tbh

[fresh spire]

[dire hinge]

[astral talon]

[onyx fiber]

when i look thru logs i get mixed signals

in execute do we go hard in on Exe>exe>exe>exe>exe>exe and only MS to apply rend

or do we go exe>exe>OP>MS on repeat?

seeing people with like 40 more exe casts than me cos of this

[dire hinge]

it depends on how many pieces of tier you have

[onyx fiber]

with 4p?

[dire hinge]

if you do have 4piece, you want to send Mortal Strike once you have 2x stacks of Executioner's Precision and 2x stacks of Lethal Blows (4p tier buff)

[onyx fiber]

trying to compare like with like as much as i can

[dire hinge]

without 4piece: yes you only use MS to maintain Rend

[onyx fiber]

right ok, ty

[dire hinge]

sure thing!

[tacit crystal]

what do we do if rend is falling with 4p

[dire hinge]

still use MS to upkeep rend if it's gonna fall off 👍

[tacit crystal]

i havent really ran into it but good to keep in mind

[latent moss]

yeah

unless u are just turbo unlucky with tactician

[tacit crystal]

also good knowing i was right about reapplying it

[dire hinge]

the exact APL line is:
actions.slayer_execute+=/mortal_strike,if=dot.rend.remains<2|(debuff.executioners_precision.stack=2&buff.lethal_blows.stack=2)

Which translates to using Mortal Strike if:

• Rend will fall off within 2 seconds
• OR you have 2xEP + 2xLB

[tacit crystal]

makes sense

[tranquil sundial]

we take arterial bleed over one against many now?

[teal fossil]

on pure ST

bleeds contributes to so little to your ST

[tranquil sundial]

you mean aoe?

[nova marsh]

No st

Bleeds in aoe are actually quite nice

Hell roar is one of our best aoe cds

[tranquil sundial]

mmh

one against many does 0 in ST

so I guess its nice now then, arterial bleed

[nova marsh]

Arterial is quite decent for st ye

[tranquil sundial]

but is it worth running over one against many in keys?

[nova marsh]

Depends on what u want

Lean into the aoe strengths of colossus or get a bit more st, altough the st gain is small from what I've heard

An argument can be made for both

[livid cloak]

For me bleed is 18k st

I take one against many

[twin hazel]

Does it matter what crafted 2 hander you get for Arms?

[verbal marten]

o

no

[tacit crystal]

the one that you like

or is cheapest

[twin hazel]

mats are crazy different and Sim saya Mace is better

[shadow ibex]

they are all the same

we promise

[fleet sinew]

hey mates I know you are gonna say "sim it"
but looking for a quick guess - would the dps between a 636 crafted vs 639 myth track be completely inconsequential?

[nova marsh]

By how much?

Is it within 0.1%?

If so, assume it's sim variance

[shadow ibex]

its not inconsequential. ilvl is still ilvl but crafted has a really good embellish

[tacit crystal]

no its noticeable i would have to sim the difference

[shadow ibex]

weapon dmg is one of the most important stats as a dps but it also has a stacking all stat buff

[tacit crystal]

you can always recraft embellishment

[fleet sinew]

well I am rolling the double vers embellishments anyways

[tacit crystal]

what else is in your vault

[shadow ibex]

then i would pug first boss myth and grab a myth weapon

[fleet sinew]

myth sac
lol I tried that and lost the roll to a healer pally

[nova marsh]

Just loot it bro

[tacit crystal]

i would take the sac

weapon is easier to get

[nova marsh]

Sac is unnecessarily hard to get

Ffs at this point it might as well have a very rare tag

[tacit crystal]

on heroic or in vault

[nova marsh]

In general

[fleet sinew]

what tool on raidbots would I use to compare a weapon of 636 vs 639?

[tacit crystal]

in m+ its fine to get

droptimizer

[nova marsh]

My key luck says otherwise

[tacit crystal]

i got one in 1 key on my evoker

[nova marsh]

Literally running most of my own keys and ONLY ONE Ara Kara key I've seen all season

[tacit crystal]

this demon got a sac before you

🙂

[nova marsh]

Shoot me

[tacit crystal]

at 602

as well

the worst part is my evoker is going to pass my warrior in io soon

[nova marsh]

So

ur a voker main now

[tacit crystal]

to push io

in raid war

[nova marsh]

truly a sad day

Auger?

[tacit crystal]

yes

i get to play with better players

idc

[nova marsh]

fair

Just don't be a filthy one trick

[peak kiln]

Hello guys i would like to know if it s possible to have a macro for Slam , when i press it if I got a proc of Overpower or Execute it cast those spell before slam ?

[nova marsh]

I'm not a macro expert, but the answer is likely no

I don't think macros can actually read things like CD resets

[sacred zodiac]

nah they're all on the gcd and known spells

can maybe do some cast sequence trickery but using tac and EP procs like that would be awful

[worldly kernel]

i cant think of any need for macros on arms tbh

like combat wise

[nova marsh]

Cursor macros for leap is amazing

Also standard CD macros

For trinkets/racials

But like...that's about it, we sure aren't FDK

[shadow ibex]

affix + demo kinda fun

[wanton sierra]

archon website

[nova marsh]

Tier lists are awful content

Logs better source of how classes are doing

[fluid rune]

Any high m+ arms colossus pov video suggestions?

[manic river]

I havent seen videos about arms honestly

[potent cedar]

ST fight, within 2% of my sim dps

parsed a 45

so sad my gear is so bad

[wanton sierra]

agree, but ppl take those in cconsideration on pugs

[nova marsh]

Ur not getting invited anyways

[gilded stump]

Do you guys enjoy arms in the current state with sks?

[quasi torrent]

no

[daring heron]

no

[frozen bramble]

I feel like Arms identity should be big chunky hits, not managing bleeds

[nova marsh]

Fuck sks

[frigid cipher]

I like sks a lot. I don’t like every cd being giga misaligned

[nova marsh]

I mean

Noone likes that shit

But SKS just isn't really that good

[frigid cipher]

Idk I’ve always liked it. Now that it interacts with bleeds I like it even more

I know it also did in df but I didn’t play df

[nova marsh]

I think the bleed interaction is just not great

[spring vale]

would you like it if instead of making the bleeds tick faster it just consumed the entire damage left on the dot in a burst kinda like infliction of sorrow does on Sanlayn

[shadow ibex]

no because then i have to reapply it

[frigid cipher]

Isn’t that what it did for a bit

[shadow ibex]

for some of DF yea

just mean you had to rend before and after

was pretty annoying since rends initial is potatoe

[edgy solstice]

was more than slam

[nova marsh]

I mean that's not a high bar for DF slam

DF slam was barely worthy of being called an ability

[shadow ibex]

i read shit like that and just know this spec is like a side project

warbringer devs btw

[nova marsh]

See but guys

It's worth it for the RP of the neglected middle child

[balmy kindle]

Really feeling the damned slayer nerfs

[unique warren]

With the nerfs on Slayer, is the best thing to use Colossus 100%?

[nova marsh]

Not really

Each are close enough to play whatever you like

[balmy kindle]

Slayer is still very ahead on ST

But it's very evident now that your peak ST is nerfed

[unique warren]

its good talents for m+?

[balmy kindle]

Yeah this is what you will run on m+, but maybe add cleave somewhere

Without cleave you won't have any aoe ( ms and cleave proc reap the storm )

[teal fossil]

You need cleave

Need fob and extended sweeps too

Those that’s less mandatory

[balmy kindle]

In this case u will likely need to drop sudden death and De ?

Not enough points

[teal fossil]

Way too many points on bottom right

[dire hinge]

no

[shadow ibex]

sorry devs cant be bothered to balance the two specs indepndently

[cosmic shale]

Don't enjoy with sks or without sks

[balmy kindle]

Feels bad when I gained ilevels and I am doing less dmg / only slightly more dmg in heroic prog compared to last week

Might as well play colossus

[balmy kindle]

Partial, but I don't press it because it feels good, only because there's more numbers

[shadow ibex]

i think most ppl who type in arms disc channel play arms despite its current state

not because of it

[balmy kindle]

Play wow for biggest numbers
Or
Play wow to RP as man with big sword

[light quiver]

What’s happening in .5?

[shadow ibex]

overwhelmed is getting nerfed

p sure

or thats .2? is .2 what they are calling it or did i make that up

[balmy kindle]

Why do you think so ? Surely they won't hit us again right

If anything we need some compensation

[nova marsh]

Here's another MS nerf by 15%

[balmy kindle]

New patch notes : mortal strike is now renamed mortal stroke

[nova marsh]

I mean whoose having the stroke

us or the boss

If it's the boss then it'd probally do more damage then MS does now

[balmy kindle]

I actually think MS does ok damage at the moment but alot of it is banked on buffs and crits

[shadow ibex]

i hit pretty mega MS in siege earlier you can slap one with colossus

just need everything up

[balmy kindle]

It has a shit load of variance

[shadow ibex]

all 18 MS Buffs

[nova marsh]

Ms is trash

even in execute it's trash

....some nice like....2 mills in there as slayer in exe

[balmy kindle]

I mean it does alot of dmg as long as you crit and you have EP stacked

[nova marsh]

Arms's dps just feels like "Oh did you not crit? Suck it"

[balmy kindle]

But yes on its own it's kind of noodle

[nova marsh]

COUGH ms and demolish

they're the same ability

If it crits it's a dopamine rush

If it dosen't it's a depression hit

If it gets parried I uninstall the fucking game

[balmy kindle]

Getting executed parried and dropping juggernaut on prog

[nova marsh]

...

NO

If that happens I'm alt f4inghh

[balmy kindle]

Or better, CS up 3 mark execute (sudden death)

"Parried"

[nova marsh]

See parry is such a fun and engaging mechanic

It makes you think tactically!

Makes you wonna tell mechanics to go fuck themselves

[balmy kindle]

I mean I try to stay on the side and rear as much as possible

[nova marsh]

At this point wow should just give arms positionals!

[balmy kindle]

But when boss suddenly turns and lucks out the 5%

[nova marsh]

To make us REALLY think tactically!

[balmy kindle]

We lost ark now

[nova marsh]

Na ffxiv

I'm gonna kms if we get positionals blizz needs to stay the fuck away from that shit

Garbage mechanic

wait lost ark has positionals?

honestly how would that even work in modern wow?

Bosses fly all over the damn place so much nowadays it'd be imppossible

[balmy kindle]

I don't want to know, because lost ark encourages positional attacks

Yet the meta classes are always the brainless front attackers

[nova marsh]

Because again, positionals are a bad mechanic

I will never understand why games like lost ark and 14 stick to them so much, noone I've talked to ever likes them

I'm genuinely glad wow never got on that train

[balmy kindle]

It is thematic and RP until you realize your class is balanced around hitting them and doing 50% of others when not.

[nova marsh]

I mean 14 at least isn't THAT extreme (anymore)

But yeah god damn

Granted wow too has had it's share of garbage mechanics (hit)

also parry

Altough tbh let's be real, parry and hit are the same damn thing

[jolly quartz]

i would play ffxiv if it wasnt for the like 2 minute rotations

and 2.5 second gcd

[nova marsh]

Honestly the main issue is the 2 minute rotation

it's genuinely awful game design

GCD feels fine on DPS because you have a ridicious amount of OGCDS

Also honestly not worth it

Wow has much better endgame

[nova marsh]

No this dps from anyone isn't the greatest

But holy it's been so long since I've had a group that's fully on the same page. One of the smoothest runs I've ever done, absoutlely shocking for a pug

+6 ara kara.

We were only a few minutes off of a 3 chest too. Very close

[edgy solstice]

ffxiv gcd isn't as bad anymore for some specs

[nova marsh]

Viper, Samauari, Monk, ninja

All fast GCD classes

[edgy solstice]

p much all melee are down to 1.5 ish and usually higher apm

[nova marsh]

Ye

APM is actually decently close to wow for most meele at the very least

[edgy solstice]

It's higher usually

[dire hinge]

tbf hard to do big numbers in a 6

[edgy solstice]

With all the ogcds ffxiv has

[nova marsh]

and in ara kara too

With those stupid fucking body guards

But I can't complain. No sac but holy crap, a smoothe run is a smoothe run. Shit I would've done the 8 too but I got work in the morning

[dire hinge]

almost caught the dk

[nova marsh]

Win some ya loose some

Nice dam thou

[dire hinge]

feels like CD timing gets better the higher you go

[nova marsh]

Arms just feels better when things live

When things die in a single GCD set, arms is kinda poopy.

[dire hinge]

i've historically spammed jump a stim key and it cancels Demolish while channeling, unironically been the hardest thing to unlearn for my brain this season

[nova marsh]

I've kinda just accepted my fate as slayer

Colossus dosen't jive with brain well and it leads to more frustration then fun

COUGH until I loose 3 slayer marks because I forgot to execute the target as the pack dies

[dire hinge]

it feels unnecessarily busy at times (colossus) and stinks when you Demo something that then teleports to a range target

but it's chill

[nova marsh]

Ye arms in general is

But slayer feels comfy

[edgy solstice]

yeah ngl i dont really ever have the desync issues a lot of people talk about with colo in keys

[shadow ibex]

me either

rava and WB always line up

[edgy solstice]

in raid, it would be way more noticeable

[shadow ibex]

i send my rava before WB idk if thats optimal but i do

[nova marsh]

Colossus desyncs a lot less then slayer

[shadow ibex]

idk why it wouldnt be

[edgy solstice]

but wb/colo are usually coming up at the end of packs so you just hold them for a few

[nova marsh]

Like just a few keys made me realize colossus is basically df arms but with worse rage and demolish

[shadow ibex]

you go into every pack with demo sweeping and WB

and sks

at least

[edgy solstice]

yeah

even if they're off for a few secs, you're holding them for next pack anyway

so the desync doesn't effect anything

[shadow ibex]

ive only been doing 9s to farm crests and idk

i havent been beat by another class overall

boss dmg is emberassing

[edgy solstice]

i lose in 11s all the time xd

but it aint bad

[shadow ibex]

i just pug

[edgy solstice]

same

cba to premade

[shadow ibex]

col feels good but i'll still take ST bump

and i think slayer needs 1 cuz idk why it gets a slap when UH and rets exist

[edgy solstice]

just revert ms nerf

half of it at least

[nova marsh]

Honestly I don't mind loosing in dps

[edgy solstice]

it's dumb to be playing the ms spec and still not wanna hit ms

[nova marsh]

As long as I have 3 comptent dps

I'd rather be dead last with 3 dps doing something then be top with dps doing tank damage

[shadow ibex]

yea idek when to use MS as col fishing for x2 4pc feels

idk with the rage income

you'll just never press MS i guess?

[nova marsh]

The amount of carries this season is abnsoutlely insane

[shadow ibex]

getting x2 resets and x2 EP stacks is expensive

i guess drop something for 2/2 deft

[edgy solstice]

with colo it's worth bc crit fishing and no extra SDs/jugg to worry about

[shadow ibex]

i dont really like mbg anyway

[nova marsh]

mbg dosen't even worth it

[edgy solstice]

if colo's entire identity wasn't big cleave aoe, sure

[shadow ibex]

true

def aint MS

[edgy solstice]

almost as if

they could be the same spell

[shadow ibex]

been sayin that

[dire hinge]

[shadow ibex]

rend and tclap also need to be two seperate buttons as well

[edgy solstice]

12s are tough tho so im on d4 break until i get trinks from vault or something

[dire hinge]

they are two separate buttons

[empty sluice]

Wish Wb applied rend

[shadow ibex]

nah that's too friendly to gameplay

charge tclap at the start of every pull

you MUST

[empty sluice]

Tell that to ret

[edgy solstice]

people actually play ret

arms has like 3 and a half players

[nova marsh]

People play ret cuz its brain dead

[edgy solstice]

people like brain dead

brain dead specs can still be min maxed

[shadow ibex]

really just feels like they cant be asked yea

warbringer devs

[edgy solstice]

arms more often than not has some god awful setup to their abilities or overall clunky design

[nova marsh]

At least arms requires 2 braincells

Idk maybe I like clunky

Just delete parry

[balmy kindle]

Why play game when one can pay 500 USD for 8 runs of 10 key with selected dungeons 🐵

[edgy solstice]

carries are insanely cheap nowadays

[balmy kindle]

Sad to say but yes

[shadow sky]

everyone switching to Arms now for raid? the logs showing arm top 5 for heroics difficulty

[edgy solstice]

it was already better boss dam than fury since the start

but i would hope not lol. arms was pumping week 1 sure but our tier set might be the worst in the game

for our raid build at least

[jolly quartz]

people are getting more gear so the adds that fury pads on are dying quicker and quicker; all thats left is single target which fury is on the bottom by a mile

[nova marsh]

I'm pretty sure fury is worse

[atomic mountain]

I am to stupid to sim so here my question

Ovinax, ara kara and thorim umduar trinked all in champion track. What is the the best combo

[edgy solstice]

fury's tier set? no

was better than ours even before it got buffed

[boreal quartz]

What the fuck is thorim

Id prolly ara kara + X

[tacit crystal]

timewalking trinket

[boreal quartz]

Yes but what does it do

I aint remember some yeye ass ulduar items

[tacit crystal]

pretty sure its thats strength haste on proc

or soemthing

on 2 min

[fickle lotus]

I mean HC is such a Meme. You can play everything. Everything dies so quickly now. I think Queen HC is the only real Fury Fight still.

[boreal quartz]

HC Queen is chill on arms too

Reap the storm and roar cover most aoe

And your p1 lineups are decent

[vernal crypt]

Hey yall, my guild is going to be moving into mythic soon. Are there any bosses which prefer arms aside from the 2 pure ST fights, or is it pretty much fury for the rest?

[boreal quartz]

Can play whatever on first 3

4+5 are definitely fury prog fights

6/7 more leaning arms

8 should still be fury

[vernal crypt]

🫡

[small prism]

If I'm going to be playing all three specs (in theory) should I just focus on the non-weapon slots for crafted gear and hope for drops?

[boreal quartz]

Crafted weapon is good for both dps warriors

Id generally just spend 2 sparks on wep 1 on writhing armor and then make the prot thing after

[small prism]

I thought writhing was sub-par in m+?

I've got 4 sparks, i was thinking 2hander no embellish, and two armor slots with the verse or crit embellish

[tacit crystal]

thats fine if your main goal is m+

but dmf + writhing is better for raid fury

and equal on arms compared to double dawn/duskthread

[boreal quartz]

It's better for st and even keys have bosses

So if you also raid it's still the best option

[fickle lotus]

What has more Value for Pot in Raid if the Fight is under 5 Minutes... With BL on Pull or wait for Execute Phase ?

[clear rain]

why is having rend up so important?

is there a talent im not reading

or its just good damage

[fickle lotus]

I mean, having it not up is DMG loss.

SkS does interact with rend.

[clear rain]

whats sks

[fickle lotus]

Skullsplitter.

[clear rain]

ah

[fickle lotus]

If im not wrong, Rend is more DMG then CS for Example, if the Target lives the full Duration. So not that bad for a GCD.

[clear rain]

but OBV i shoudnt refresh rend when i know my target doenst last 26 seconds

21*

[atomic mountain]

well all in all i used MS and thats what makes me happy XD

[thick kelp]

Dont use that

[tacit crystal]

im pretty sure wowanalyzer isnt up to date

[thick kelp]

is outdated

[tacit crystal]

yeah

ask in #449510248579858432

[atomic mountain]

yes but it still tracks your CDs and thats why i use it

[tacit crystal]

you can do that by looking at a log

[worldly kernel]

shadow binding ritual giving me 13k DPS increase in keys not sure if this is simbait or not

[edgy solstice]

not really

it's a pretty good stat stick

just pray it doesn't proc during opener

[worldly kernel]

im simming myth khadros and skarm and it's 13k over those

if I got it from vault it's doubled this is fucking wild I thought it was just simbait the whole time

[boreal quartz]

Mark and shard arent insane on arms

[thick kelp]

Nothing is insane on Arms

its joever

[worldly kernel]

keys not raid also to clarify

if that even makes a difference

[atomic mountain]

imagine you can pick something from your vault... 3/4 weeks i got the socket cause gear was shit

[fickle lotus]

There should be a Currency like Dinar, if you dont take anything from your Vault.

[worldly kernel]

Even over a myth item?

[atomic mountain]

and you buy a socket from this i know. but it is sad that you have all herotrack in vault and dont get a item that helps you....
i would have more if you could choose 30 crests that you want.....

[fickle lotus]

Whats your Opinion to Transmitter vs. Khadros in M+ ?

[manic stirrup]

transmitter is just strictly better

[worldly kernel]

12k strength is pretty nuts

[thick kelp]

Transmitter

Always

[fickle lotus]

When is the best Time to use it ? Do you use it Prepull or Midfight in M+ ?

[tacit crystal]

prepull

its always the 3 jumps on pull no?

[fickle lotus]

Nah. Its rdm

[thick kelp]

Before avatar

I charge -> transmitter into a pull

[fickle lotus]

Okay. I give it a Try. Do you play Col in Keys ?

Is WB the Play with COL ? Wowhead Colossus Build doesnt have it.

[balmy kindle]

Wowhead just gives you a general direction to go.

But in keys alot of us Colo enjoyers are running warbreaker for the aoe. There's some success with guys completely eschewing the execute talents as well, going for battlelord

[teal fossil]

Interesting that ppl are going wb considering cds are still misaligned

[balmy kindle]

It's most a case of fat burst aoe (reason you play Colo). Blunt is fine too but Colo boss damage is kind of

Zero + zero is kind of zero vibe

So you rather just get stuff that makes your aoe hit harder

[thick kelp]

Yeah I play colossus with the Blord build

[clear rain]

can someone link a solid colossus dungeon build

[balmy kindle]

You can look up artji on raid Io and copy his builds

Just look at the most recent clears

[fickle lotus]

Could you Link it or DM it to me pls ?

[balmy kindle]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOAUVFRFQhUVKSUUBAOVVEFVRFlUUFQFQCEFEVVVUBB

[astral steeple]

What stats does the weapon have in the raid?

[balmy kindle]

If u want battlelord just swap points around as you see fit.

Usually removing points from bleed, exe talents and EP

[thick kelp]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOBUVFRFQgUVKSUUBAOVVEFURFlUkVQEQCEFEVVVUBB

Swap around Soa and DN depending on dungeon

In some places with really small pulls I would argue to take blunt > WB

[fickle lotus]

Thanks!

[bronze elbow]

trying colossus in a delve

this still sucks

what a bummer

[balmy kindle]

Would take Colo in delve anytime tho, DR is big

[bronze elbow]

it just doesnt pump

[fickle lotus]

What is more Value for the Pot in Raid at ST, send it on Pull with Lust or wait until Exe Phase ?

[balmy kindle]

U can prolly use on pull with lust and still have it up for exe phase

From a strictly parsing pov that is

[manic stirrup]

i recommend playing arterial bleed, sks, and strength of arms everh key

every

[thick kelp]

choco stop

[fickle lotus]

I mean, if the Fight is leas then 5 Min

[balmy kindle]

Then use it on lust where you are juiced

[fickle lotus]

Ok

[clear rain]

could u link ur talent sir

[manic stirrup]

gonna resim a bunch of stuff incase im wrong

[balmy kindle]

Just switch the talents

Sks and art bleed does help on colo boss damage

[clear rain]

this talent also feels nice

[thick kelp]

feels nice

is not nice

[vernal crypt]

Boss damage sucks either way, just truck with demolish

[vital summit]

nice for stacking stacks

[balmy kindle]

I had tested it before it's not good

[thick kelp]

Art bleeding is big aoe loss over 1v5 so i think its abit overkill to take

you alr got sks etc for st

[balmy kindle]

I personally prefer 1v5 too, cleave dmg big

[astral talon]

I wish collosus was the go to in raid 😦

Man rashanan would be soooooooo nice with it haha

[balmy kindle]

Same here, kind of fed up with slayer

[fickle lotus]

Col wants Haste Crit right ?

[thick kelp]

no

Col is Crit Mastery Haste Versa

[fickle lotus]

Oh nice. These are by far the highest Stats of my Gear. Will go full Col from now on

[manic stirrup]

oh i shouldve simmed no buffs

shit one sec

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qHRgVRk1xgySQJZtxNisfj

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sH9Sqnf66GL9JeLB6adCV9

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gTTzcq4T9wTrjBWQUDxiio

'current gear' is juggernaut slayer

for comparison

if u have skyfury and/or other raid buffs my build is pretty equal but with no raid buffs battlelord has increased value

[thick kelp]

So battlelord in all situations

[manic stirrup]

ill take that L yeah

[thick kelp]

with 1v5

for best result

[clear rain]

what do u take out for battlelord/

[thick kelp]

sks

[clear rain]

i see

[manic stirrup]

in stonevault specifically i think 1v5 and battlelord lose value though

[thick kelp]

Why

Stonevault is big pull city

[clear rain]

uhh what else do i take out?xd

execute?

[boreal quartz]

1 bb

[thick kelp]

mbg

[boreal quartz]

Ye fuck mbg

[manic stirrup]

2 target boss arterial bleed infinite more value than one against many and shield boss

[manic stirrup]

mbg

[balmy kindle]

Would remove mBG imo not very useful

[thick kelp]

You forget how big cleave + fob is on 2T

with 1v5 too

[visual fern]

@thick kelp @dire hinge what were you saying about execute phase after the opportunist - slayer talent nerf?

Something about MS condition iirc?

[thick kelp]

Just spend 2 OP when 85 rage, opportunist dont exist in execute basically

Much easier to play for same dps

[manic stirrup]

2.5% st with arterial bleed for 3.8% aoe loss

feel like thats up to comp

[edgy solstice]

arterial in sv is trolling

[visual fern]

Oh just OP b2b?

[strange perch]

Serious question of the day. Mained arms all DF with 3.2k reached in m+ s2-3 and 3k in S4. Tww came and arms was doomed in every social media platform. Rolled fury, it got nerfed 4 times already. Craving my execute spam so much. Realistically, how much of a self harm move would be to stick to arms and try to pug again my way to 3.2k? Where are the most viable and up to date builds I can run, I'm confused about stuff that's documented

[thick kelp]

die opportunist die

Opportunist dies in arms next patch
using 2 charge prio over opportunist in execute is a gain
2 charges over opportunist in st is a little loss, but just making people always send first stack ez
execute still wants you to use it when under 80 rage tho

Fishy simmed and this was his tldr of the change

[visual fern]

Not OP > Exe > tact > OP

[thick kelp]

2OP means the 2nd charge

that you have one still back there

if u go out of rage

[manic stirrup]

theres like 6 viable talent builds

u can kinda do whatever u want

sks/no sks, warbreaker/bi, soa/dreadnaught, mbg/no mbg, battlelord/no battlelord, arterial bleeds/1v5

any combination of those 6 things is viable to varying degrees

[clear rain]

do i ever consider taking out massacre

or its too mcuh value

[balmy kindle]

There's the Colo no exe build, basically u drop massacre for battlelord sks

[edgy solstice]

i would drop massa way before i would ever drop sks

[manic stirrup]

for what specifically

[clear rain]

bone grinder

somtin like this

[balmy kindle]

Thing is if you have Ep

Massacre is great value

[clear rain]

ye but aoe damage gonna be juicy

[balmy kindle]

EP - executioners precision

[thick kelp]

u dont need more AOE

[edgy solstice]

but really only in ST. it's much easier to sweep executes onto prios in packs with or without massa

[balmy kindle]

Yes but mBG is only 8s, that's like 1 cleave ?

[thick kelp]

You already have 1v5 + collat + wb

But yes that point is "flex" point

altho I heavily prefer to keep it on massacre, only maybe swapping it out in Dawnbreaker

[manic stirrup]

you lose 2.4% st for 2% aoe

[fluid geyser]

My cata classic brain with "MS off CD or dmg loss" is struggling, in tww its 2x OP before you ever use MS?

[clear rain]

i see

[manic stirrup]

up to you if you wanna make that choice

i personally wouldnt

should be noted sks is better than massacre in the battlelord build if u wanna play it

2% better in st, 0.3% better in aoe

aoe gain is marginal either way but st gain has some merit

[thick kelp]

Read the guide

[clear rain]

i really hate

skull spliter

such an extra spell to use

[edgy solstice]

true but it's too good

maybe they buff spear next season or something and then it won't be

[clear rain]

could anyone simplify the prio on skull spliter xd

i can never undersatnd it

[vital summit]

There should be a viable option that doesn't focus on bleeds

leave scratching to ferals, we want chonk hits

[edgy solstice]

you p much just send sks on cd

if you mean raid

if roar is up in a few secs, you hold for that

[thick kelp]

on cd

[balmy kindle]

Use it then use rend

[fickle lotus]

[misty yew]

Is it normal for rage starve in the M+ build?

[edgy solstice]

for colo ya

[bronze wharf]

honestly it was the case for me in the beginning, but with the better gear i don't feel rage starve at all

maybe occasionally on pure st fights? but there arent much of them either

[slow saddle]

U sir just play with a shaman

[bronze wharf]

youre right i forgot 💀

[edgy solstice]

everyone should be

they're the only healer in the game

[vapid bay]

for colossus is it better to drop sks for blord?

[slow saddle]

Thought u played botg

[misty yew]

do you spend 2 stack cleave on ST at all

when waiting for ms cd

with say mbg proc

and cd

[astral talon]

Fire and forget

[trim skiff]

with unlucky procs, yes, you can starve

[zinc rapids]

Should I be holding MS until I have overpower stacks, and if so do I hold until I have 2 or is 1 enough if it's off CD?

[boreal quartz]

Ms on CD outside of exe

[thick hamlet]

slam on cd especially in exe

[latent moss]

real

[slow saddle]

Always bring blue class!!!!

[limpid dirge]

is execute still MS only whne 2x exe precision, 2x martial prowess, 2x lethal blows, or to refresh rend

[thick kelp]

when 2x EP 2x LB or to refresh rend

Forget MP

doesnt exist

[latent moss]

remove it!!

its only hurting the spec!

[thick kelp]

Remove all modifiers

!!

[tacit crystal]

wtf is mp

[thick kelp]

martial prowess

[tacit crystal]

ah

the op modifier

[thick hamlet]

but what if i stack crit and mastery like a MAN

non of that pansy haste nonsense

and be a COLOSSUS on the st fights

and demolish

[tacit crystal]

have fun doing 0

[thick kelp]

U will be a lil behind

But on Court

you will be ahead

!

[limpid dirge]

can you clarify on why it doesnt exist? seems like 30% dam is better than the 10%crit 10%crit dam or at least equal

[thick kelp]

Computer says to not care about it

so I dont care about it

[limpid dirge]

also can you get tactician procs to trigger lethal blows if you are at 2 stacks of OP or do we need to keep 1 on CD to make sure we can trigger up

[thick kelp]

you can get stacks at 2 stacks of OP

but its a situation which doesnt happen often especially outside of cds

[tacit crystal]

mr walhe can tact/oppor proc if you are at 2/2 op charges

[thick kelp]

y

[tacit crystal]

gracias

[wanton sierra]

hhuge dam, what key was that? i liked how you covered their names by class color xD

[balmy swallow]

Anyone have a solid colossus build with some ST damage? im trying some new stuff out and I hate that wowhead tells us to use blademaster's torment

[wanton sierra]

imo reck proc shoulda last longer

[quartz schooner]

Opportunity proc = send op as prio.
2x 4p + 2x EP = send MS in execute.
Just sending MS on cooldown in non execute.

Do I have that right?

[balmy swallow]

also I dont like dropping SD for sks, is that actually worth it?

[wanton sierra]

man i press ms on CD... on execute phase i stack em up, with rav you dont need to press ms

[wanton sierra]

bro, i tried a few m+ withh SD and its very decent! improves our single and the proc contributes withh colossal might stacks

i feel we cant drop massacre, sks its way too good with TR combo

[balmy swallow]

thats what I mean, im trying to find a better ST build in colossus but they are dropping SD for SKS and I dont get it

[thick kelp]

yeah

use your OP 2 when below 85 rage and same rule for sks with sks being higher prio over OP2

[icy mulch]

Sending MS on cooldown will not give you big juicy damage. Sadly you want 2 stacks of the OP buff to it before sending it.

[thick kelp]

no u do not

hope this helps

MS on cd before exec

[wanton sierra]

ms is our main source of dam, it shall be pressed on cd... regardless of stacks or anything

ill share the build tzorn

[balmy swallow]

I took out MGB and SD for Massacre and SKS to try it out, not sure how that'll feel like

[wanton sierra]

idk if worthh it, ccoz i dropped 1 BB

[balmy swallow]

i would just drop MBG instead of BB if youre trying to go for more ST damage

[quartz schooner]

Thanks!
OP2 being the second charge of OP here I take it? (OP2 kinda sounds like opportunist lol)

[slow saddle]

Demo = leggo

Buff baseline ms 10%

[wanton sierra]

mgb is insane with colateral dam... at the end of thhe pack you stack em up, like 12~13 stacks... for thhe next pack, fully stacked demo... you blast em up really hard... i did an 6M cleave and 7M demo right after on a SOB11

had to use dbts coz of agro

[balmy swallow]

ye ye but I was going for a more ST oriented build for tyrannical

mbg does nothing in ST

[wanton sierra]

10s we got tyrn and fort all togueter xD we are strong on aoe so we aoe them down

[balmy swallow]

ye but if you pug with other classes that have better aoe than us like shams or dks, might as well compensate with better ST

its a tradeoff, depends on what the group needs

[wanton sierra]

my ST is "PASSABLE" damn i hate that word

[balmy swallow]

im always changing talents anyways

[boreal quartz]

For tyran the best choice is slayer or colo with blord+EP and bi imo

I dont like colo jugg at all

[wanton sierra]

i was thinkin on an build that i dont even pick Ravager, but on execute phase it is very good, we cant drop it

[icy mulch]

I'd love for Battlelord to be more viable.

[wanton sierra]

2 stacks of deft experience is too mucch! hhard node to reach

[boreal quartz]

Never drop rava IMO

[icy mulch]

Yeah, they need to streamline our trees a bit. Same with class, some of those nodes should be a hell of a lot easier to access.

Or make some things like Colossus smash baseline.

[wanton sierra]

agree, battlelord makes gameplay so much smoothier, id love to get it

[boreal quartz]

You can access them fine they just arent balanced

[icy mulch]

Little things like that would really boost possible build variation.

[boreal quartz]

Blord and eb are so incredibly awful compared to rava unhinged or ep

[boreal quartz]

I still enjoy the variation we have

[icy mulch]

This is true as well.

[boreal quartz]

Like we arent fury

[wanton sierra]

i think they should rework fatality... its so mehh talent to be "fartest node option"

[slow saddle]

Battlelord deffo needs a buff

Now its 99% feel good talent

[boreal quartz]

We get actual choice compared to them

Which is worth pointing out as a good thing

Also the bi+iftk buff makes it so much more pickable which is amazing

[solar quarry]

Fatality

Every time you execute a target below 35% hp gain 3% damage permanently for the remainder of the tier.

We’ll be competitive with mages by the end 😎

[icy mulch]

Fury for keys is gonna be Thane build. Slayer is soon to be dead come November.

Unless they change things again.

[boreal quartz]

Slayer is still better for raid

[zinc rapids]

👍 So overpower stacks are just a nice thing to have, but not worth delaying MS for

[icy mulch]

For raid yes. Since you need the burst for adds.

[wanton sierra]

man blunt instruments is good, but i fell i lose so much aoe dam not pickin warbreaker... we shine on aoe huge dam

[zinc rapids]

That feels dumb

[icy mulch]

For M+ no.

[boreal quartz]

Yea

[thick kelp]

yee

or first stack

[zinc rapids]

I feel like if they're going to have a mechanic where you are empowering a button, it should be worth it to actually focus on doing that

[thick kelp]

however way your brain makes it make sense

[wanton sierra]

ms on cd, its 6 sec, every 6 sec youu press ms

[boreal quartz]

I mean simply more mortal strikes and buffing em once on avg is better

[icy mulch]

Considering you need 2 procs of SD, and 2 OP syacks to max MS buff. Hah, have fun lining up those stars.

[boreal quartz]

If you wanna go for the biggest ms hit play like that but that's not the best dam

[zinc rapids]

Yeah, I'm just talking about the way the whole overpower buff stuff is designed, not suggesting it's better

[boreal quartz]

I dont mind op as is

Wish blord was better tho..

[wanton sierra]

we should have an talent "mortal combo"

every mortal strike shall have 30% chance of proccin again on the same target, it shall use the same stacks of the main mortal strike consumed... wombo combo, double trouble

[thick kelp]

SL mortal combo

[boreal quartz]

Incredible idea

[thick kelp]

Donk doonk

[boreal quartz]

Would be better than EB

[wanton sierra]

walhe played, but sl the second one was wack

[boreal quartz]

Cuz no rage cost

[zinc rapids]

I feel like PVP players would throw a fit if they got hit by back to back MS

[boreal quartz]

@thick kelp what if choice node am and enduring blow

[boreal quartz]

Oh they did

[thick kelp]

pvp players will throw a fit about anything

[solar quarry]

PvP players can play a different game honestly 😭

[boreal quartz]

Ms x2 crit in CDs into exe

Dead in 2 gcds

[icy mulch]

I still think the Cataclysm arms style is the play. Make tactician reset CS. Give us a reason to spend more rage to get bigger damage windows. That fine balance of Gen and spend.

[boreal quartz]

[thick kelp]

God yes fuck AM

[wanton sierra]

nice! i really liked the sound of it!! "bam bam!"

[boreal quartz]

Like this is actually such of a good idea no? Makes blord and eb better

[icy mulch]

PvP MS can be tuned separately. They've proven they can do it.

[thick kelp]

Ye

[boreal quartz]

And also am keeps existing fine

[thick kelp]

But Blord and EB issue

is in execute

where they just become

non existant

[boreal quartz]

I mean even with ep surely youd ms on proc with end blow

Suuurely

[thick kelp]

Ep 1 stack

with 75% amp

[boreal quartz]

Yallah

[thick kelp]

Would solve dat

[wanton sierra]

spitefull serenity should recieve an buff... its a zero taken talent by all warriors... just remove it or make it good at least on some ocasions

[thick kelp]

maybe 5 stack cap on Jugg too

Man can dream

20s duraiton

[boreal quartz]

And then give TOM some long ass duration so am can force overlaps but eblow can go for big fuck dam outside of exe

Or some shi

[icy mulch]

Spiteful serenity doesn't even make sense.

[boreal quartz]

That's why id kill it

Am too fuck cdr

[thick kelp]

If Arms had 20s jugg we do atm get enough SD procs to stack it so we can enter execute with 15Jugg

[thick kelp]

Die tom die

[boreal quartz]

Yea with current sd it's tricky

[icy mulch]

That would be nice

[boreal quartz]

Long buff = perma stack

Low stack = giga gamba

[thick kelp]

Prefer gamba ngl

after some internet casino

i did

[boreal quartz]

Thars why eblows is a good Addition xdd

It's not

[thick kelp]

eblows blord EB

5 stack jugg

[wanton sierra]

they should make tom in a way thhat it never drops if you rotate properly, just like breath of sindragosa

[boreal quartz]

COLOSSUS

RAAAAHHHH

[raven ivy]

no because Warrior is so fucking dog in PvP that we don't matter anymore : (

[thick kelp]

Holy fufck it would own

[boreal quartz]

Ngl i would want jugg + am to be the slayer shit and blord eblow fatality for colo

So it's ms and exe trees like supposed to be

[thick kelp]

Yep

Thats what me and fishy were trying to force so long in sims during beta

[tacit crystal]

what if we went to s3 arms with ip still contributing to am

[thick kelp]

Jugg = slayer
Blord = colossus

But in the end

They nerfed MS

and the dream died

[tacit crystal]

[wanton sierra]

hey buut arms is good at pvp right?

[thick kelp]

hahahaha

Arms is dooogshit in pvp

[shadow ibex]

It was awful until yesterday

Got some DMG buff

[wanton sierra]

hhow come? arterial blleds?

[thick kelp]

The MS buff

its still not good in PVP

[boreal quartz]

Big pvp tuning

[wanton sierra]

how we got an buff and i didnt even know? my friends only share my nerfs

[shadow ibex]

It's playable now at least

[wanton sierra]

let me check wow head, damn, i got buffed and i didnt even know

[shadow ibex]

I don't think colossus is ever gonna feel good as long as players can just leave melee

[boreal quartz]

Like 20% dam increase or some crazy shit

[icy mulch]

Let's be fair, PVP in this game has been dog shit since.... uh, BFA?

Maybe before.

[raven ivy]

That is your opinion man and you can hold onto that

[boreal quartz]

[raven ivy]

But yeah, we sort of desperately need some sort of tuning pass over in PvP so please beg for buffs