arms

[warm olive]

colossus in ST is sad

at least it is what my sims says

[nova marsh]

If we're being honest

Both

Fury ST is just....mid

It's a cleave spec

[warm olive]

i dont think fury st is mid, i think is garbage

[ocean siren]

So is colossus multi target good then? Doesnt seem like they changed alot in the overall

[warm olive]

it is acceptable in dungeons

[warm olive]

in AOE colossus can slap, yeah

[echo monolith]

ngl, poppin demolish is hella fun

such a satisfying sound

[spare goblet]

Going to test arterial in this +10 and see how it feels

[worldly kernel]

Collo is pretty much the move in 10’s slayer is ok but demolish is just way better on high priority mobs and your cds for the most part minus avatar are always going to be up for a pack which means you send on pretty much most packs or send wait then send

[grand idol]

Also material cost. Each of the two-handers requires different materials. One of them, I don't recall which off the top of my head, requires nearly twice as many materials as every other option.

[manic river]

I saw a post compiling the data of keys done for now and on the topic of classes on the top dps there is only one arms warr

[fickle lotus]

Do we play with WB when we are Colossus in M +?

[worldly kernel]

Are you talking about the 12+ ones? It’s gele pretty sure

Yeah you play WB with colossus

[prime rivet]

do i loot my vault as fury? so i avoid bad dungeon trinkets but still have a chance at 1h wep?

[worldly kernel]

you can make arms work in “high keys” people just don’t play it because you need more effort to do damage I was talking about this last night, people want something with the least amount of effort for maximum gain aka fury it’s just way easier to play and you don’t have to think

[grand idol]

nvm

[prime rivet]

all g

[grand idol]

its usually the reverse question asked lol, how to avoid one-handers.

but yea, fury will add them to the loot table

[prime rivet]

yeah i'm trying to actually get a 1h to start tanking haha

[worldly kernel]

Just run like a 7 for a 1h

[prime rivet]

yeah i did like 15 of those last week and got no 1h lol

[worldly kernel]

You can also craft one it’s not the end of the world if it isn’t 636

[hazy nexus]

is the no stranger to pain hero talent worth now?

[prime rivet]

yeah true

[worldly kernel]

Veteran vitality is still way better

If IP absorbed more than base with a 15% increase it would be worth taking I think, but it’s still kinda peanuts. They’d need to make it like 20-25% imo

[hazy nexus]

i want it to be good so bad haha. On demand absorb be awesome

[errant citrus]

This is the wep one we do correct?

[worldly kernel]

It used to absorb more and it was also working with AM to reduce cds that was probably the biggest bozo move they did with the spec last xpac

[uneven yacht]

does mandate benefit from anything

or do you just send it on pull after charge

before cds

[errant citrus]

use before

[worldly kernel]

Doesn’t benefit from anything you just send it on CD pretty sure

[prime rivet]

i'm stupid and realized i posted this in the arms tree channel instead of prot lmao

[errant citrus]

make sure tank can out-agro it

[uneven yacht]

is double on use ok with mandate

real on use in cds

mandate outside

[loud wadi]

@smoky kayak With today's updates to Colossus does "Arterial Bleed" have the potential to be better than "One Against Many" in m+?

[inner terrace]

How much % of stats are looking good lately? Still pretty close on crit and haste?

[teal fossil]

yeah thats fine

if anything mandate kinda encourages you to use it outside of cds with the execute mechanic

[sly flume]

Aight so I have a charged claymore at 619, belt at 619, and a 606 Skarmorak shard. Is there an easy pick here?

I’m thinking belt or shard for sure. Weapon is nice but I’ll craft a 636 eventually

[silent canyon]

Abyssal trap!

Totally not a trap!

/S

Also how fun /hard is arms compared to fury?

[sly flume]

Fun wise I like it, harder imo

[smoky kayak]

I would think probably not; the immediate damage of cleave is still worth more imo

but haven't really put a lot of time into it tbh

[shadow ibex]

send me vault luck fellas

[low mirage]

just woke up are we swapping hero talents whats the move

[loud wadi]

Hmmmm thanks anyway I'll test it XD

[shadow ibex]

we did it boys

[elfin violet]

Fury actually damages your hand nerves, arms does not. Nuff said

there should be a medical warning on the spec

wanna fuck up your wrists, feel wet noodle animations and mb do good dmg for 1 patch>? -> fury

[shadow ibex]

get mark in vault and worse sim than normal queen mandate and champ ritual blade

[neon niche]

this is the legit reason why I swapped specs
and I dont see me playing fury over arms again

[nova marsh]

I saw sacbrood drop

It did not go to me

😦

But hey, better late then never on 4pc

Now I can stop doing tank damage! LES GOOO

[silent canyon]

Nice!

[shadow ibex]

i would be excited but its worse than current trinkets

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rdYGDZR9oZFGVxWnk95sEi

[nova marsh]

That is

Soul crushing

Granted I can't say much because my trinkets are absoutle garbage

A vet mark and a champ orator

[shadow ibex]

618 ritual dagger i keep in my bags is over it

ritual dagger just mad good

[nova marsh]

Is it really?

[shadow ibex]

i guess

i only strap it on for m+ otherwise i run NM mandata and a myth track orator

i rather just cata a helmet tho if it had a socket be different

[slow saddle]

#colosus slaps now or?

Arterial blood with sks?

[shadow ibex]

doesnt slap in ST no

arterial blood just a small inc to ST in m+ if you even slot it

[slow saddle]

Sadgw

Just buff ms baseline 10%

[shadow ibex]

it would need a lot more than a 1% dmg from mountain of scars and 1% per stack on artery

i love that right before launch they changed it from 5 to 4% only to now buff it again

[slow saddle]

🤣

[shadow ibex]

classic warbringer devs

[slow saddle]

Trur

Thane got st buff..

Thats a start

[sly flume]

So during execute phase. You use MS when you have two stacks of Precision and Overpower?

[latent moss]

no

2 stacks of EP and 2 stacks of 4P

[sly flume]

Or are you only using it when you need to refresh rend/DW and you have those buffs?

Ah okay

Is there a WeakAura for that? I can’t seem to find one for the icon buffs

[boreal quartz]

@boreal remnant i am so sorry

[boreal remnant]

it's fine lol

[boreal quartz]

was good content

u know i roped in 2 guildies

on their alts

and some poor healer

[proud heath]

WIth the buff to colossus is the M+ build on wowhead still the play?

[nova marsh]

You can make an argument for Ateral bleed for a bit more ST

[tardy stump]

are we changing any of our talent points outside of hero talents for mountain thane ?

[nova marsh]

Ask #fury

[lone prairie]

any m+ arms bros going arterial bleed after reset with the buff?

[tardy stump]

oops

[astral talon]

Should be similar on aoe

Or overall dmg in a dungeon

Less bursty i guess

[potent cedar]

Boys, why is my damage so ass?
removed
I accidentally wasted a bladestorm but I can't think of much else

my gear is a bit cheeks

but ilvl parse also awful

[regal wharf]

it happened to me

I got siege of boralus'd

i got iron hooked into an aoe that i couldnt avoid

i hate that place

[boreal remnant]

ilvl parse means nothing, mostly just that you have no gear, no 4p, not great trinkets, etc

@potent cedar

also no damage pot and slow af kill time

[tepid citrus]

slow kill time will always nerf u

[potent cedar]

so sad

[boreal remnant]

yeah the kill time is the hardest hitter there

[potent cedar]

well at least I'm not doing something blatantly wrong other than tho pot

[boreal remnant]

nah looked fine when I looked

[tepid citrus]

it's hard to mess up arms

[potent cedar]

I guess when everyone's parsing like 30s it's prob the kill time

[boreal remnant]

just need more gear and faster kill times and you're good

[potent cedar]

messed up hard on rashanan tho, dunno how to time my aoe-ing with the adds

[vital narwhal]

youre also missing shaman buff and casted colossus smash as the boss jumped away

[boreal remnant]

that's the neat part

you don't

on hc you just send on ST

first add wave is late into p1

[tepid citrus]

good kill time and BS shouold come up right on time for first adds

[vital narwhal]

like here

[potent cedar]

;_;

yeah

I did that with that + a bladestorm

just unfamiliarity with the boss

[vital narwhal]

i did the same thing, dont worry. we live and we learn

[potent cedar]

I dropped Wings on rashanan I'm happy

rolled 100

[boreal remnant]

I rolled a 100 on mythic rasha cloak against my tank's 99, and they gave it away to our hpal

[potent cedar]

tragic

[cedar talon]

guys cloak or shoulders

[quick vale]

help

mark worth taking?

otherwise I'm just upgrading tier head from champion to hero using a catalyst

[boreal remnant]

🤷‍♂️ doesn't really matter much since it's all hero level and farmable

hero tier will be better I think but doesn't matter a ton

[quick vale]

or I could do that

that's a shitload of crit and I'm pretty ok for haste

[hallow mortar]

i thought i was in prot for a second 🙂

[quick vale]

this is my arms vault. It's very strange

[hallow mortar]

oh no, i meant i replied but i thought i was in the prot channel so i deleted to avoid confusion

[quick vale]

If I want to sim a trinket do I just change the itemID in the simc output or do I need to change the bonus_ids too?

[serene hollow]

use top gear, there's a gear search feature

[quick vale]

yeah but this stuff isn't in my bags

[serene hollow]

you can add items you don't have with the search feature

[quick vale]

ah I see. Cheers.

[quick vale]

oh simc can see the vault

no problem

[tight fractal]

I know I should probably sim, but, opinions on secondary stats for crafted weapon if I flex arms/fury?

haste mastery? I'm already at 30% crit

[potent cedar]

holy shit

damage pot adds a LOT of damag

I did not realise that

[astral yarrow]

they are always giga at the start of the expansion

[nova marsh]

I have to buy pots and flasks eventually

Shame I can't just buy my 400 of them I always do because they're expensive as shit

[scarlet kraken]

is prot good in m+

[potent cedar]

yes

[scarlet kraken]

i mean arms

xd

[nova marsh]

Arms is good in keys, but fury is just better

arms= sustained aoe fury = better burst

[astral yarrow]

fury is also just easier as colossus arms desyncs a boatload

[nova marsh]

Slayer also desyncs a lot

It's kind of annoying

[astral yarrow]

slayer desync is easier as you will never be holding for long regardless and sweep being much less important

[devout pewter]

How does one sim Weapon ... "oil"(or stone) again?

[nova marsh]

It should be an option in the consumes section

[devout pewter]

ah damn, thanks

I completly forgot that section, went through all the top sim settings 5 times already

[nova marsh]

Guys

Why are consumes THIS expensive

Holy fuck I don't remeber DF's prices being this awful

[scarlet kraken]

ive been playing arms since im newish and it seems like "home" coming from classic, been trying to do some "higher" keys and it feels like its just not working, would you guys that are experienced recommend just going fury instead?

[nova marsh]

Have you tried to dianose what ur doing wrong?

[scarlet kraken]

ive got my rotation down pretty good i would say, sometimes i mess up but when im in a key with a ret i just feel like his little brother

[nova marsh]

WEll uhh

that's just ret

As arms it's very, very hard to beat a ret who actually knows their shit. It's just the side of tuning we're on tbh

Even fury would have a hard time competing with a good ret

Pro tip: just be the only meele

[dire hinge]

happy to help with any specific questions, but we'd need some more context, such as which keys you're running, and why it feels like it's not working. As leccymoonie mentioned, Arms has a different damage profile than Retribution, and we are tuned a bit lower, so we dont really compare ourselves to other specs.

[nova marsh]

rets just got cracked t his xpack

[solemn lotus]

if u play slayer build feels like tier set has been wasted or is it just me

ive switched from prot to arms but seems on 9 i deal just shy of of 800k per sec overall

am i doing something wrong or we just not great

611

[lavish elbow]

I've been playing an arms slayer build and it feels mid.

[solemn lotus]

yeah but maybe after buffs bleed colossus build will be ok

30 % more dps on bleed on 10 stucks

[nova marsh]

Really at this point investing in colossus is probally the better play

Because by S2 slayer will probally be nerfed into oblivion

[terse plume]

so colossus at least for me atm is simming within about 3.5% of slayer even on st

[nova marsh]

Yeah colossus is now very close to slayer

[terse plume]

oh yeah slayers getting more nerfs come the 22nd, the overwhelmed debuff nerf to 10 stacks from 12 (2% damagme pretty much) isnt in yet

[nova marsh]

I'm sad cuz I liked slayer

it was comfy and the execute damage felt really cool

[shadow ibex]

slayer nerfs are fuckin cringe

its not overperforming in ST

if anything it could use some love when you look at specs like surv getting a tier buff

[nova marsh]

Only nerfed because blizz saw 'Oh slayer is best for fury in raid? needs a nerf"

slayer didn't need a nerf

Thane and Colossus just needed buffs

[edgy solstice]

but we were top 3 pre tier set

surely we're just waiting for our tier set to scale

[novel ibex]

wish blizzard would just make things fun not nerf whats good

[nova marsh]

I mean in some cases what's good is absoutlely broken

Like FDK kind of is

But like arms wasn't

In fact like half of arms's nerfs are because blizzard didn't like what fury was doing

Like BS and slayer

[proud heath]

Does anyone have a link to a colossus M+ build or should i just use the wowhead build?

[nova marsh]

wowheawd build is fine

[proud heath]

ty

[manic stirrup]

i dont like the wowhead build

[manic stirrup]

CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYmZMjZmZmNbLLzMDAAAADmGGDLDzAjlxMzgZGGz4BYGzAAAAAAAgHYMbjxAsFAsZGDbwAzwGNAG

[fleet sinew]

https://i.imgur.com/T8UV0cO.png

whatchu boys think

have 626 weapon and sac already
didn't craft weapon

[nova marsh]

TAKE THE SACBROOD

Oh

Probs transmitter

[fleet sinew]

that trinket seems so annoying to use

[nova marsh]

It is

But it's p good

Oh wait sorry I'mma get told I'm spreading misinformation again na it's fine

[wide ember]

has there been an update to arms raid builds or are they the same?

[nova marsh]

Same with nerfs

[shadow ibex]

lmao

gotta nerf based on performance in week 1 heroic before anyone has tier

https://tenor.com/view/clown-shoes-clown-shoes-creepy-walk-gif-13103955

[vital rune]

Ran a 9 Dawn earlier with an enhance shaman

They pump man

[subtle ravine]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/38#boss=2902&class=Warrior&spec=Arms

I usually go with the information from this page (in conjunction with guides for any clarity issues). You can change the boss and use the Show More button to see what the top 100 Arms players are running on each boss

[tacit crystal]

take the sac

[vital rune]

I saw a post that we can absorb all the orbs in 3rd boss of CoT as Second Wind will get rid of it - is this truths?

[nova marsh]

...Probally not?

I'll try it in a 4

[tacit crystal]

if you have not taken damage in 6 seconds

second wind does work

[halcyon breach]

*in almost all cases

However there are a few, weird, exceptions

I.e Rashok in Aberrus allowed you to have 2nd Wind still work through his ticking dot, the same with the Bursting affix

[nova marsh]

These people are wild

Trying to dubb hook

I swear

Augs only exist to make my dps look even worse

+7 necro wake.

seeing the DH peak at 7 mill during the giga pull at the start we pretty dope thou

[balmy kindle]

How you losing to DH

Is it trinkets or something

[nova marsh]

I mean

Yes

A champion orator and a VET MARK isn't really competitive

In fact it's pretty trash

[balmy kindle]

Orators and mark is kind of meh

For m+

[nova marsh]

Yeah but nothing else has dropped unfortantely

[balmy kindle]

M+ my highest simming (dungeon slice) tends to be ritual knife and the egg

[nova marsh]

I'mma

Probally do more delves to try and get a champion ritual knaifu

[balmy kindle]

Then now it's the rashanans trink ( dropped from TW quest )

Would add that ritual knife is a st loss though

[nova marsh]

I mean

It's probally better then the garbage I have

[shadow ibex]

ritual knife is pretty good

[nova marsh]

And also a passive

So I cant get the fuck away from double on use. ....for a little bit

[balmy kindle]

For dungeon slice ritual knife Sims crazy good for sure

[shadow ibex]

in ST is great too

[balmy kindle]

It's a loss on my Sims though

[shadow ibex]

sims better than myth track mark for me but could be x2 on use sim weirdness

[balmy kindle]

But not much like 0.3%

[shadow ibex]

hopefully its not usign queen mandate on pull and then mark after

[nova marsh]

I love all my friends being like "well agi and int have plunty of non-on use trinkets

[balmy kindle]

Yeah so technically you can just run ritual knife and not care about on use

[nova marsh]

Meanwhile strength

OR

[iron spruce]

is it still slayer for raid ST ?

[nova marsh]

I could've just TAKEN THE SACBROOD

[shadow ibex]

@fresh spire how do i make sim not use queen first with mark of khad

its simming like shit cuz its using it 15 sec after pull when avatar is about to fade

[balmy kindle]

Yes slayer is still ahead

[nova marsh]

irrc sims just base it off of what's in the first slot as to what use first

When using doubb on use

[shadow ibex]

khad is in slot 1

[nova marsh]

I have no idea

[shadow ibex]

assuming thats slot 1

[nova marsh]

Yep...try putting it in 2 and see if it changes anything?

[shadow ibex]

used 20 secs after pull cuz it used queen on pull

[manic stirrup]

apl should havea line to prioritize trinkets

if it doesnt you can write one

[shadow ibex]

idk shit about shit

[balmy kindle]

Hello blizz it's 2024 why do we have to SIM trinkets

[plucky tendon]

is skullsplitter impactful in m+? or can i go massacre

[nova marsh]

Depends

If ur colossus probally not

The rage is just too valuable, espically in exe

For slayer....you can run full exe talents for much better ST

[plucky tendon]

probably not meaning as colossus i should stay on skullsplitter?

[nova marsh]

Yes

Because like I said, sks is worth rage

That is VERY valuable on colossus, because it dosen't have as many free GCDs as slayer does

[plucky tendon]

i see, im actually doing slayer for most part but am thinking of giving colossus a go now with the changes

[nova marsh]

Also colossus has more value in bleeds if ur running aterial

As slayer try dropping SKS, both bloodborne points, and 1 point in deft experience for Massa, 2 points into critical thinking, and jugg

It's actually...kinda good ngl

Oh also grab sudden death

[plucky tendon]

actually i do have half of that atm

[nova marsh]

Not running massa on slayer also just feels beyond awful

[plucky tendon]

i kept bloodborn but took massacre and sd from sks and 1deft

[plucky tendon]

yeah defo

[nova marsh]

Espically for higher keys

When bosses actually live and you have a proper exe phase

[plucky tendon]

yeah i love rashanan for that lol

btw for colossus whats the arterial vs non-arterial playstyle

[vital rune]

Just tried a col key

I swear it feels like it doesn't hit sometimes

[nova marsh]

because it dosen't

[vital rune]

Almost looks like animation just stops before last hit

[nova marsh]

If ur tank moves out or you jump it fails

[vital rune]

Yeah seemed like something was going on

I wasn't getting that crazy spike in dps when it hit that I felt like it should do

[nova marsh]

The problem with colossus is that Demolish has several fail conditions attatched

If ur tank just wants to troll you they can move the mobs just out of your range

Or sometimes that happens naturally cuz they just decide to pull more

Or your meele brain just jumped

[vital rune]

Yeaaaaah sticking with slayer for sure

[plucky tendon]

dam everything you said is discouraging me from trying col XD

[nova marsh]

Personally I just like slayer's flow better and it feels nice and comfy

[vital rune]

When you get back to back reap procs

[plucky tendon]

thats the vibe i get from trying col on dummies so far, slayer is just more adaptable to situations

[vital rune]

[nova marsh]

The benefit of colossus is the ultility and healing

And also nutty aoe

Demolish crits with warbreaker

[plucky tendon]

also, do we really not take warbreaker for m+ slayer? wowhead seems to be discouraging it but as far as i tried, warbreaker still good in m+

[nova marsh]

It's still good

But if you're more ST focused, which slayer is to be fair, Colossus smash is better

And isn't really that big of an AoE loss

[plucky tendon]

col smash alone is annoying when you charged in and tank pull mobs by one step and all i get is out-of-range voiceover

[nova marsh]

And I can understand that

[frosty pike]

on the flip side of that, i've had warbreaker just be out of range from weird desync and not hit

which is... significantly more sad

[plucky tendon]

hmm well i have had col smash out of range way more times than wb so i think ill live with that

for wb i just charged to the mob nearest to tank so even if tank move that one mob, most of the mobs behind still get wb

[nova marsh]

yeah the WB desync of like a second can also be....rather annoying

I'm just playing a more ST focused spec this time around cuz most groups have AoE bases covered

[plucky tendon]

yeah thats usually the case

and for higher keys, keys are usually bricked because of wiping repeatedly at boss

[nova marsh]

This is also true

Bosses fucking slap

[plucky tendon]

from past exp anyway, i havent really do high keys this season

[nova marsh]

I got to do my first 9 on stonevault with a guild group

very rough

I got the mechsuit quest thou!

[plucky tendon]

vault is rough haha

[nova marsh]

That SV was the smoothest stonevault I've ever done

Granted I was being lowkey carried even when I did 1.1 mill....which is pathedic

let's ignore the tank doing almost just as much and being 15 ilvls above me LMAO

[plucky tendon]

prot warr?

[nova marsh]

Guardian druid

[plucky tendon]

havent grouped with one before, doesnt have one in guild either lol

[kind dune]

does cleave consume executioners precision stacks?

[nova marsh]

No

[kind dune]

thats lame they should change that

[nova marsh]

Honestly yeah

It'd probally even bring exe higher in prio too

[thick hamlet]

this somehow feels incredibly intuitive like it's already a thing

[balmy kindle]

Playing Colo in m+ = almost never pressing exe

[thick hamlet]

playing colossus in m+ = dying to aggro on every pack

[nova marsh]

...

Slayer is the same

[balmy kindle]

You have die by the sword

Also a 4s shockwave

Realistically it's alot better than say fury ( press OD die to white mobs)

[nova marsh]

GAMING

[minor gust]

[thick hamlet]

with Leeeeeeech

[minor gust]

im gonna leech so hard

[reef glade]

so doing napkin math on kyveza 7 bladestorm casts did 20.4m damage so each bladestorm was 2.9m, and my average of 73 mortal strikes was 1.02m per cast, base bladestorm dmg not considering culling cyclone was 2.9*(10/11) 2.64m so cyclone added about 300k damage per bladestorm, where if my average mortal strike did 50% more damage do you think thats 500k damage from the 1.02m avg mortal strike, or is there like 15 other damage buffs on mortal strike that thats not exactly how that works

[edgy solstice]

mp + tier set + ep

[frosty remnant]

are we sending x2 overpowers before ms or ms on cd? the tier and opportunist stuff has me lost

[scarlet geode]

Should i get sacbrood mythic track or upgrade my hc track weapon to mythic track?

[tacit crystal]

generally ms on cd until execute

then its 2 executes and 2 4set procs

and if rend is falling in execute

[drifting apex]

Guys can someone explain me why queen's mandate 626 sims less than mark khardos 606 and ara kara sacbrood 593? Is it bugged or queen trinket is trash af?

[rain cipher]

huge.. gz

[tacit crystal]

how many targets are you simming

[drifting apex]

1

In ST i expected a lot of amélioration

[tacit crystal]

i dont know what that word means but sure

[thick hamlet]

fellas i need help with copium

[drifting apex]

Step up*

[thick hamlet]

only dps upgrade from my vault is transmitter and i'd rather drink coffee than play this STD trinket

i just need somebody to reinforce my bad decision

thank you

[tacit crystal]

its wrong

just learn to play with transmitter

you are crying over something predictable

[thick hamlet]

is that like a yes or a no

unsure

[stray frigate]

i got a wildfire wick 616 trinket how good is that? Couldn't find it in bloodmallet

[tacit crystal]

you take the trinket and learn to use it

[stray frigate]

its a passive

[tacit crystal]

i was talking to applepie

idk about that thing

[thick hamlet]

what could he possibly mean by this

[fickle lotus]

I hate Transmitter too bit its just too good. Learning it how to optimize is rewarding.

[thick hamlet]

come on fellas, i made it very clear i'm looking for a resupply on copium

i know you're right

[fickle lotus]

Its like in Life. There is an easy way.... and the right way.

[nova marsh]

It's kinda trash ngl

[tacit crystal]

applepie make the choice you want it doesnt matter

if you play for fun go for fun

if you go for damage then you suck it up

[fickle lotus]

Damage = Fun.
Zugzug

[fickle lotus]

Going to play Sikran tonight.
Anything important to think about ? If i get the Images and have to place them, i have to be aware to not touch the other ones ?

[dire hinge]

correct!

• Move to the edge of the platform, drop ghosts close to each other without stacking. You must not touch other players or ghosts with your circle.
• If 2 ghosts are less than 8yd apart, so within a circle of a player targeted by the charge, they explode and deal massive raid-wide damage.

[fickle lotus]

Okay got it.
If i get decimate, i just have to aim the Direction, right ? Can i still be in Melee of the Boss ?

[summer shore]

another affix that warrior can't deal with

nice

[torn minnow]

soooooo is arms the better M+ spec now?

[edgy solstice]

doubt

[boreal quartz]

Fury just gained a chunk of aoe

[torn minnow]

in thane?

[rose ibex]

it is if you like it

[boreal quartz]

Ye

[summer shore]

arms will never be better m+ spec

[boreal quartz]

It's already been at some points

[torn minnow]

i loved arms M+ in S3 DF

[fickle lotus]

I must not touch ANY Player with the Circle ? Or just not the ones, whho also have the Ghosts ?

[dire hinge]

https://www.mythictrap.com/nerubar-palace/sikran-captain-of-the-sureki/mythic/dps?ability=sikrPhaBla

goal is neither, but especially not other ghost players

[torn rivet]

guys how much loss is removing Collateral Damage in aoe scenario?

i mean maybe I misunderstand it but it seems kinda shit for an "one-time cleave hard hitter"

[slow saddle]

Its shit if u are🤣, with enough globals and timing its nice

[astral talon]

Aoe cleave for 3mil is shit, noted

[vital summit]

stack stacks on one pack with Sweeping strikes, ZugZug massive cleave next pack

bonus points if Colossus

[balmy kindle]

It's not hard to stack a really fat cleave that can hit upwards to 3m+ though

[teal fossil]

collateral damage is really good and its almost entirely passive

its one of the stronger talents in AOE

there are many things you should drop before you drop collat

[clever sparrow]

Hello, i use the build on wowhead for M+ but Skullsplitter rarely fit in rotation, should i drop it for Massacre?

[slow saddle]

should prob no

can u

yes

[fickle lotus]

Wow, that Side is amazing ! Thx !

[fickle lotus]

I did it too and its abselutely playable.

fuck sks

[humble hollow]

is practiced strikes (colossus talent) +15% (ingame tooltip) or +20% (wowhead)?

[buoyant cargo]

I never pressed sks on packs in keys (i play colossus). so i dropped it for massacre and i dont miss it.

[teal fossil]

sks is much better than massacre in a lot of situations

just remember to press it

[clear rain]

isnt this talent good

[teal fossil]

its good

[gentle wharf]

we still playing culling cyclone on ST?

[thorn pelican]

ya u can use SoA if u want more single target

[slow saddle]

i think most ppl take soa

at least if u doing any kind of nice content

[atomic mountain]

how much dps do we gain with a socked if our vault is crap?

[radiant garden]

hey guys what about the weapon : Befouler's syringe ?

got it on vault today but idk if this wep os better than one with strengh

[boreal quartz]

You can sim that

[boreal quartz]

It's better in st than other hero weapons

But it doesnt drop in mythic

So it's useless

[bronze wharf]

guys i have a riddle. i have in vault hc 626 neck with healing effect from raid, and mythic mark of khardros. Any idea what would be the better choice if im left with only 2-3 hc reclears, and im playing almost only keys? im torn up as hell

[wintry arch]

Trinket

But also sim

[polar stream]

Guys... does anyone know if the doubling the effect of nerubian embelishments works on the duskthread lining?

saves me recrafting an item

[clever sparrow]

no, doesn't work

[boreal quartz]

Mark aint insane on arms

[boreal quartz]

It's not a nerubian one is it

[polar stream]

ok thank you!

[severe haven]

How do you use both transmitter and mandate in the rotation?

[clever sparrow]

think you use transmitter before avatar+cd and then mandate when avatar is expiring (double on use cd should be ready then)

[boreal quartz]

Transmitter gives 30 sec trinket icd

[clever sparrow]

i remember 20

maybe i'm wrong

[limpid hornet]

Might be saying some shit there but if Mandate works like Ragnaros trinket from Firelands, dmg is the same Avatar or not anyway

[cloud gyro]

it was 20, got nerfed to 30

[boreal quartz]

Mandate benefits from some stuff

Like overwhelmed

[proper iron]

Best weaponenchant for m plus?

[pallid olive]

Is slarms still ahead of Colossus in raid?

[sacred zodiac]

is the slayer nerf implemented in simc btw?

[torn rivet]

fair enuff, cheers

[daring sable]

how can warrior deal w/ this weeks affix

[dim quarry]

I suppose victory strike+bitter immunity

Anyone knows why Colossus seems to SIM higher than Slayer (around 15% higher for me) in multi target situations? I was under the impression that Colossus had higher burst, but overall less damage, for reference I simulated 5 min fight on 5 targets, 5 minutes is not really "burst".

[astral talon]

What is this week affix?

[elfin violet]

Cause colossus slaps in m+, you are like a frost dk with a bit lower DMG and utility :)

[atomic mountain]

Hey

i have a crafted 619 2h axe with embelish

is it worth crafting another piece with embelish to wear a full upgraded hero weppon?

[dim quarry]

Did the Wowhead guide trick me all this time then? XD

[wanton sierra]

hi, do u guys have an aura that tracks our swing timer ?

[atomic mountain]

for what do we need a swing timer?

[astral yarrow]

it helps with decisionmaking from time to time

[wanton sierra]

to know when we will get rage, to know when to charge weave without losing swing uptime or gcd

[vital summit]

For nostalgia of Vanilla/tbc arms slam spec warr

[sly venture]

Take A-tier trinket which will eventually be replaced or go safe and just grab Legs for an upgrade Hero to Myth track?

[boreal quartz]

Id go legs

Unless u play fury

[sly venture]

Hmm, yeah. I might actually do that. Maybe. Will ponder five minutes.

[golden sleet]

ive just looted mad queens mandate and ive got transmitter, so do I just use mandate after the cd comes up after transmitter or do i use mandate first?

[boreal quartz]

Transmitter with CDs

Mandate after

[golden sleet]

👍🏽

[pallid olive]

Any good reroll classes or specs since we just get scammed as warris?

[tacit crystal]

anything you find fun

[astral talon]

Homie got the ricochet shit from stonevault in his vault, ironic

Is it any good? XD

For m+

[boreal quartz]

Nah

You need to hit it and theres still better stuff

[astral talon]

Ok

@stuck pebble you didnt even ask yourself, coward

[stuck pebble]

Said I wasn't going to you ape

I'm gonna pick the boots and then accept it being HC

[maiden stirrup]

Got a Mythic Transmitter in my vault but I already have a 639 Skarmorak Shard, its a 6.5k dps increase. Would you guys take the Transmitter? Reason Im asking is because I dont know how annoying it is to use in raids and if it is realistic to actually get the 6.5k dps

[astral talon]

Weak

[potent cedar]

Yeah I got one too but I didn't take it cause I hate chore trinkets

[stuck pebble]

Just you lil' hunter bro

Out here asking the people to think for you, when I'm here thinking for myself

[winged gazelle]

im confused?

[astral talon]

you don't think tho

smh

[stuck pebble]

And still I made the correct choice

I'm leagues above you lil' bro

[astral talon]

m+ score disagrees

progress disagrees

BICEPS DISAGREE

[stuck pebble]

I got superior biceps, and that's all I need

[boreal quartz]

Happens rarely but funny

[thick kelp]

?

[jolly quartz]

yea thats the only thing i saw

what the fguck is that

[astral talon]

timers for adds or sth?

[jolly quartz]

also does anyone have a weak aura thats basically just "loop a sound until rend is applied to target if rend is currently not on the target"?

[boreal quartz]

Fury timers for some other boss

[winged gazelle]

yea was timers for another boss i forgot to turn off

[astral talon]

i did that on one boss ages ago

wasnt worth it lmao

[jolly quartz]

cos i cant get it to work with what i thought was pretty logical setup just by tracking the debuff and adding a sound parameter

[winged gazelle]

does that charge bug also crash your game?

did mine

[wanton sierra]

hey guys did you notice an new quest in the raid that gives an new currency, do you know what it is? is it like bulion?

sometimes when i land with mount i get random dcs

[clever sparrow]

it rewards with a stackable buff to dmg/heal

3% every 2 weeks (cause you need 16 of the obj to take the buff, but you can only acquire 8/week)

it's a sort of nerf to raid like ICC one

[subtle ravine]

With the affix for this week, do we take Bitter Immunity for M+?

[midnight mural]

Timers for OF 💀

[midnight mural]

Allow me to share a tip with you. In options under raid tools, click the button that says "hide timers that have already happened" or something like that. Then you can decrease the size of your note so you dont have it covering half hour screen.

It will still show up in your notifications if you are using Kaze ERT

Like i dont see how its important to you to know, at the start of the encounter, that you gotta have bladestorm ready 7 minutes later 😄

[wanton sierra]

nice, i thhought you could get some raid itens withh those

[icy mulch]

Why does ST build feel so shit to play?

[mossy gazelle]

For those who wanna play Arms warrior Colossus, becareful at Boralus m+. Tested before and after today's patch and they still have not fixed the bug which cancels your demolish animation and demolish when you get hooked in by trash mobs.

"While channeling Demolish, you take 10% less damage and are immune to stuns, knockbacks, and forced movement effects." -> this doesn't work. at least the forced movement effects

[icy mulch]

That's most likely not a bug.

[mossy gazelle]

then you think it's normal to get our demlish animation and damage cancelled by enemy hook?

[winged gazelle]

thanks dude!

[icy mulch]

It's dumb, but they most likely view it as a aura action.

[midnight mural]

Np

[arctic axle]

the immune stuns and knockbacks doesnt work from day 1 ,tried in all scenarios ,all of them knocked me back

[mossy gazelle]

aura action i see... ok still i think they should make warriors immune to such effects

yeah

[icy mulch]

I agree, but this is Blizzard.

[mossy gazelle]

yeah man haha

[arctic axle]

i mean getting "rooted " 2 sec is fine,actually being immune to what we are supposed to...well too much work

[mossy gazelle]

👍

[icy mulch]

Anyways, MT Arms feels good. You always have something to press. ST, I hate waiting for a gcd or proc.

Why not let us hit MS on cooldown instead of building 2 stacks. Gambling on SD proc to super buff what should be mainstay. Or maybe they need to drop 1.5 seconds off of Overpower.

[strange perch]

@boreal quartz unhinged

[potent cedar]

I liked Legion arms

the most

[icy mulch]

Legion and Cataclysm.

Both were very fun and performed well.

[rancid knot]

no arms talent updates?

[abstract root]

With yesterday tuning is arms switching to colossus for raid now? Heroic content

[rancid knot]

Ah I guess no changes

[wanton pumice]

What you don’t like pressing slam 3 times in a row?

[slow saddle]

No and no

Slayer is still good no?

[sacred zodiac]

slayer is DEAD

[slow saddle]

Coll didnt get any significant st buffs did it?

[sacred zodiac]

you HAVE to delete your warrior immediately

[slow saddle]

1.5% dead(er)

Though why they nerf st part of bladestorm, ill never understand🤣

Also why cant they just buff ms for col

The st dmg is so bad vs even mountain thane fury in keysies

[astral talon]

already done, leveling enh now

🫡

[slow saddle]

At least dks gets to be great

[subtle ravine]

For the Xal: Bargain affix on M+ this week, what counts as a 'dispel'? Does the aoe on Berserker Shout clear it? I figured Bitter Immunity might get some play this week, but that CD is rough

[slow saddle]

Its every 2nd one

Bitter not bad

[rare bane]

Why is arms hp so low?>

Like im 621 and my hp is 550k?

[dim sinew]

Is there a reason why we Thunderous Roar before avatar in single target opener? Wouldn't 20% dmg buff help such a high hitting ability?

[shadow ibex]

We don't have a stam buff like most other melee

[tacit crystal]

the damage from roar

[shadow ibex]

At least not one you can take and not lose dam

[tacit crystal]

is not enough to warrant it

so you do it on cs

you care about the dot damage

[rare bane]

I think its a waste of gcd if you avatar then roar

[shadow ibex]

It's a super minor optimization tbf

[dim sinew]

aha

[tacit crystal]

you roar before

the opener is rend roar ava cs

[shadow ibex]

Probably matters more mid fight than on pull with lust

Since that global is super short anyway

[dim sinew]

ty

[icy mulch]

Yeah, I like to spit on em.

https://tenor.com/view/anime-whatever-eye-roll-gif-14086660

[royal escarp]

Arm slayer st build is dead ???

[tacit crystal]

no

[elfin violet]

its actually pretty good for single target dmg, the auto attack proc does a lot of dmg

[astral talon]

Ye but kargish preferred to get HERO TRACK GLOVES

AS IF HE COULDN'T DROP THEM FROM M+

Idiot

Pvp brainrot settled in too deep

[elfin violet]

yikes you might as well pick the tokens

[astral talon]

I KNOW

[quartz wolf]

What is now stronger arms-slayer or fury mountain/slayer

For raids and m+

[frosty pike]

depends on the content and fight

(generally) fury thane and colo arms for M+, slayer arms for single target, fury for quick burst AOE and raid cleave

[quartz wolf]

Colo arms for m+ ? Really

[frosty pike]

it and slayer are very close so if you prefer one over the other by all means just play it

but generally colo outperforms on trash pulls while slayer outperforms on prio/ST

[icy mulch]

Colossal requires a little more setup, but cooldowns are easier to line up.

Slayer, less setup, pretty much send it on cooldown.

[wanton sierra]

arterial bleed better than one against many now w?

[royal escarp]

Yeah

[fringe moon]

Wtb colossus ST buffs…

[royal escarp]

No idea

[flat willow]

There were some big ups for paladin demolish

[astral talon]

Arterial was st buff

Now give me money

[flat willow]

If you guys are interested

[astral talon]

Wack

[flat willow]

Hammer of light is just like demolish but without the wack self root and it Always lines up with your cs (wake of ashes)

You guys gonna love it

[frosty pike]

implying i would ever be a pink class

[astral talon]

My guy

Stop it

Get some help

Get some therapy

[flat willow]

Playing arms in Big 2024 is basically playing shitty ret

[astral talon]

Ok but if I roll paladin my irl gains will drop

[flat willow]

https://tenor.com/view/atla-avatar-the-last-airbender-iroh-zuko-who-are-you-gif-15911223341318648700

[astral talon]

https://tenor.com/view/gym-knight-workout-gif-16341065300869993512

[flat willow]

You'll lose arms size but you'll get insane cardio with all the running you'll do on ret

No leap or charge

[frosty pike]

too much wheelchair time for rets to be getting cardio

[mortal crag]

arms doesnt press whirlwind in ST right?

slam instead?

[frosty pike]

do you mean cleave?

[astral talon]

so my squat goes down too?

cuz i dont do leaps anymore?

nah man

that ain't real

stay away from me i dont want your muscle loss to spread to me

[boreal quartz]

@mortal crag ur young right

Like zoomer andy

[mortal crag]

i mean im reading wowhead and theres slam on the prio list

at lowest

@boreal quartz idk what u classify young as

[boreal quartz]

Do you know what a lunchly is

Ive never seen it before but the ksi song made it pop up

[boreal quartz]

No ww nah

[mortal crag]

yeah ik what it is it pops on my fucking yt feed all the time

its those dumbasses

[thick kelp]

how young u are

wtf

[mortal crag]

wym

u think im fucking 50 cuz i play wow and warrior?

what am i, you?

[thick kelp]

u get logan paul on your YT

[mortal crag]

no

[frosty pike]

yeah slam is your filler. theres really no point youd ever be whirlwinding. either you are ST and using slam to fill or you are specced to replace whirlwind with cleave

[flat willow]

Its the newest grift of mr breast logan paul and ksi

[mortal crag]

i get people bashing on Logan paul on my yt

[thick kelp]

Naw bro i am young too

I know there have to be others

[flat willow]

Its lunchable but with prime in it instead of capri sun

[mortal crag]

mr breast is wild

[boreal quartz]

Explain me

To me

What is it

[flat willow]

You know what lunchables are

[mortal crag]

lunchly?

[boreal quartz]

Im young and retarftet

[boreal quartz]

Yes

[boreal quartz]

Not quite?

[mortal crag]

its basically lunchables but for tiktok kidsd

[boreal quartz]

I Google lunchables

[mortal crag]

lunchable is like this "quick and easy food for kids"

its like crackers and cheese and shit

and a drink

thats it

https://tenor.com/view/lunchables-90s-lunchable-gif-19364493

literally this

[boreal quartz]

Ah so just processed shit

[frosty pike]

i can't tell whos trolling in this conversation or not

[boreal quartz]

I c

[mortal crag]

yeah

[flat willow]

The demon food

[boreal quartz]

No genuinely dont know what that shit is

[mortal crag]

so they made "a healthy" version

which is impossible

[boreal quartz]

Cuz i got fed real food

[mortal crag]

cuz its literally ultra proccessed foods

[boreal quartz]

(waffles with Nutella)

[mortal crag]

(real)

[frosty pike]

i'm assuming not from NA?

[boreal quartz]

Im eu yeh

[mortal crag]

eu.na

[frosty pike]

ahh yeah we eat some serious slop as kids

[mortal crag]

eu>na

sir philliams is well educated

[boreal quartz]

I wish

Sometimes im dumb as bricks

[flat willow]

You at least had the red drank, right

Or the purple drank

[boreal quartz]

Like koolaid?

[flat willow]

https://tenor.com/view/purple-drink-juice-turnup-gif-5091120

[boreal quartz]

I had caprisun as a kid (rip caprisonne)

Very goated drink

[frosty pike]

did you even have a childhood if you didnt drink these

[boreal quartz]

@sacred zodiac Kratzeis counter

[frosty pike]

does that say bussy?

[mossy gust]

Are we Running colossus now in m+

[boreal quartz]

Maybe

Kids ate a lot of bussy when i was small

[frosty pike]

eyes

[boreal quartz]

Yeah

[mossy gust]

Cant wait to die using the ability 🥳

Need a Warlock with perma soulstone on me

[sacred zodiac]

i want some rn

[frosty pike]

theres definitely a red light green light game going on in my brain when playing demolish

[boreal quartz]

I havent had it in a solid 10 years feels old man

[tacit crystal]

philliam do you know schnappi

🙂

[boreal quartz]

Ofc

[tacit crystal]

i love schnappi

not even german

[sacred zodiac]

bussy is woke

[boreal quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229484412652097669/1291443875277176853/HeadRocket1.gif

[boreal quartz]

Tbf Waldmeister is not the best flavour

[flat willow]

look at them, having to fight for their life to be allowed to press demolish

meanwhile me on a real class

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/547884409609781321/1292987872227627018/image.png?ex=6707b68b&is=6706650b&hm=78fd531aaf11fe30b41b7075c132ab61ba39ae44ac04456c480297ae0819c6ad&

(1st boss of tirna)

[boreal quartz]

Kirsche besser

[sacred zodiac]

waldmeister is woke

[plush belfry]

Collo running arterial at all?

Or is it a matter of overall vs ST/prio again

[dry surge]

Heys, Arms player here in the age of fury. My dps sucks and I know it's not the class. Where do I go for detailed spec overview?

[shut moss]

Raidbot, sim, and look at the rotation or use the FAQ to lookup rotation

[rigid sundial]

With the strays to slayer arms was catching I reckon the demolisher ravage build will be the choice for m+?

[boreal quartz]

You can really chose per key

Which is wonderful

[rigid sundial]

I enjoyed both tbf but with the nerfs I was almost convinced one would just pull ahead

but I guess it doesnt matter much in the end

[boreal quartz]

Slayer is still more st

And gets away with jugg better

Colo still claps

[mortal crag]

cant be the only one that thinks colossus has INSANE active button bloat?

[boreal quartz]

It does

[mortal crag]

my UI legit had like 14 buttons as "active main ability"

[boreal quartz]

Yea thane is hefty

If you dont skip sks

[mortal crag]

colossus

yeah do u not play sks on colossus?

[boreal quartz]

Ye meant colo

[boreal quartz]

U do

[mortal crag]

philiams help me with my UI issue on #ui-addons-manager

[tacit crystal]

philliam what do you use for bars

[boreal quartz]

elvui

@mortal crag

[fickle lotus]

Is Fury even worth on First Boss myth when we dont get 2 Add phases ?

Really want to play Arms now

[ornate eagle]

At this stage it doesn't matter whatsoever which of the 2 you play on early bosses

I've played arms literally on our first kills cuz I don't like fury

[fickle lotus]

I think on Orvi Fury is better Specc

[tacit crystal]

you are taking weapon surely

or what are the stats on the back

[ornate eagle]

On ovinax sadly yes

You're brought exclusively to remove pesky smallies

[tacit crystal]

having cds for every add set is slightly useful

[smoky kayak]

Arms can be a play if you have a lot of AoE already; multiple death knights, etc
but for the most part yeah, Fury is just better when it comes to handling adds

[nova marsh]

Fury got massacred for being good at adds

[ornate eagle]

And yet it's still the best at it

Despite being massacred

[nova marsh]

Yep

[ornate eagle]

Awful boss design

"hey here's these 20 targets that all have to die really really quickly"

[nova marsh]

In a game with aoe caps

[ornate eagle]

"oh yeah BTW we do that on 3 bosses"

[tacit crystal]

required or you die 🙂

[spring vale]

Is culling Cyclone still worth it after it got cut down to 10%?

[ornate eagle]

It's the only point of the 2 that does anything

So yeah

[spring vale]

Oh Brutal Finish doesn't do what its supposed to do?

[ornate eagle]

Brutal finisher is bugged and doesn't do anything if you have any stacks of imminent demise on bladestorm

[spring vale]

That's so ass

[ornate eagle]

🙂

[tacit crystal]

🙂

[nova marsh]

Man it's be so nice thou. Imagine another ms modifier!

[native tide]

Guys on st mm+ builds arms & fury are pretty much the same? Or one is better at it ?

[fickle lotus]

Yeah we have DH and DK who also do a ton of ADD Dmg so i think, its just overkill and go Arms and ST

[broken spear]

Hey guys, I was thinking about trying some Colossus out for M+. Is it crazy to try to find a point (probably from Bloodborne or Deft XP) to pick up exhilarating blows for more cleave/mortal strikes for more Demolishes?

[dire hinge]

generally Exhilirating Blows isn't super worthwhile because MS is quite weak unless it's propped up by a bunch of buffs to make it stronger, and Colossus does care about sweeping those Overpowers throughout. More frequent usage without buffs (ie: EB resets it, and you send it) detracts damage from your rotation leading up to Demolish, even if you can Demolish slightly more frequently

[broken spear]

oh interesting, ty

[mortal crag]

Hmmge?

[boreal quartz]

Tricky one if i dont wanna fury

[wanton sierra]

damn, what happend with arms? xD

[slow saddle]

Arms is below c

[wanton sierra]

tier F? lol

[slow saddle]

Swampass tier for keys

[wanton sierra]

i shall change my details name for "krog tier F"

[slow saddle]

For raid its good

[wanton sierra]

we think about raid when wfr is going on... now we are all about m+ xD

[slow saddle]

If collosus had more st dmg. It could be quite decent in m+

But it doenst

[wanton sierra]

agreed! i thought arterial bleed would kinda balancec it

[slow saddle]

If col gets the thane treatment

[inner shore]

Don't be angry with me. Whenever I read is good for the raid. Yeah fine but what about the people who just don't want to raid. I think the warrior in m+ currently has the hardest level since I've been playing m+ (BfA) and it's frustrating 🙂

[slow saddle]

Nah

Thane is good

Very good actually

As both prot and fury

[inner shore]

Good ? Maybe, but if I have a balance druid in nw +8 like today and the overall makes 750 million more than second place, I don't know.

[wanton sierra]

arms should have thane and colossus... fuck slayer xD

[slow saddle]

2 out of 3 specs are very good, not bad for a class

[slow saddle]

Then u suck

Sorry but

[inner shore]

Anyway sorry today is not my day. I'm a bit annoyed by all the talk 🙂 Don't take it so seriously.

[wanton sierra]

damn bro

[slow saddle]

Also thane shines 9-10 ++

Slayer is still good in lower keys

[inner shore]

Is it possible without insults?

[wanton sierra]

we are warriors, we insuult just by speaking normaly

[inner shore]

🙂 ok 🙂

👍

[slow saddle]

Yes sorry. Then u are playing rather poorly my friend and should check cd and rotation guides

Rets and fdk, seems to be the ones i prim struggle beating if they push buttons😅

[inner shore]

Ok, you're absolutely right. 🙂 I'm not worried either. Maybe it's because I was traveling as fury and I don't play fury with so much love. But thank you for the hint 🙂

[thick kelp]

And enha!

Very imba model

[old urchin]

Yeah this. A good Ret demolishes me on trash and boss.

[slow saddle]

Yeah

Quite suprised they have that good aoe and st

In m+

[old urchin]

And they made the spec even easier to play

[wanton sierra]

i think im playin with bad rets, i do more dam overall.. only in a few omega packs

i shall play some m+ and ill share results

[dire hinge]

As long as you're having fun and timing keys

playing a "bad" spec with a good group still pumps

[sweet sierra]

does someone have a weakaura to track rend dot timer left on target, but on the rend spell from action bars ?

[dire hinge]

most Aura packs should contain this, you can rip it out and use it for your own uses, or you can just search for "rend" on wago.io and i promise you'll find a working one:
https://wago.io/search/imports/wow/all-weakaura?q=rend

[sweet sierra]

just found one here:
https://wago.io/dQ8Ryb2r3

just in case someone wants to

[cinder spade]

guys, quick question.. as we know it makes not difference dmg wise in using SS + Bladestorm, but i have been doing some testing with colossus and i get way more colossal might stacks when i have SS up beforehand
does that means that even though using SS before BS does not make any difference for slayer, for colossus it makes sense because somehow it counts towards colossal stacks (even it dmg wise is the same)?

[shadow ibex]

its bugged currently

if ur playing colossus def use sweeping before ravager or BS

you only get 1 hit from the unhinged MS cast but it gives x2 stacks

[warped spade]

Even if bugged, the stack gains aren't worth the uptime loss

[shadow ibex]

i mean sim sends it before BS even with slayer i assume to keep CD aligned with avatar

[hazy flower]

@manic stirrup

we gamin

[manic stirrup]

sheeesh

[shadow ibex]

its def worth the uptime loss

[hazy flower]

still no 100 on mythic...

max 99

my only 100 got taken when they redid rash

[shadow ibex]

aoe sims already send sweeping before BS anyway even as slayer

[hazy flower]

taking away my locked parses

⚔️

[manic stirrup]

my only 100 is rash

it stuck

ratio

[hollow herald]

is viable play without sks?

[hazy flower]

L for EU

[shadow ibex]

in ST? not many other options to take

colossus aoe takes it but it not huge necessary for m+

but extra rage for exe is nice and ur ST is p bad as col so it helps

[hollow herald]

i hate play with that man

[maiden finch]

So I got the Blood of the old gods trinket from yogg timewalking, anyone know if this is any use for warriors or should I just give it to my dk friend? It's only a champion track item and I already have double hc trinkets

[plush belfry]

why do so many people hate SkS

[thick kelp]

[plush belfry]

I don't get it

[thick kelp]

Button feels empty

like there is nothing behind it

no oomph or shit

[shadow ibex]

i dont like it cuz it makes me have to reapply rend sooner

[regal veldt]

the list is in order btw

[shadow ibex]

i would just rather it be a bleed dmg increase like TR

instead of making me reapply sooner

[icy mulch]

Because it's a rage generator and it's only ever worth jitting when you have nothing else to press.

[boreal quartz]

not right

it does a lot

but it feels shit

[manic river]

Where is this from?

[icy mulch]

Fair, but we rarely ever need it for the rage gen, and yeah it just feels/sounds like crap.

[noble oxide]

It’s like a inverse version of slam

[boreal quartz]

animation is okay

[slow saddle]

Old sks ate all bleed for big burst

[icy mulch]

The inverse of slam would be Execute. Cause you want to hammer that. Like 15+ times.

[slow saddle]

Felt better worked worse

[glacial moat]

It's just a nothing button. If it left the rotation I doubt anyone would give a shit

Now if it worked like unholy DK scourge strike and made all your bleeds tick faster on all targets.

Oh baby yea

[shadow ibex]

they both make me have to reapply rend

so i hate them both

both old and new

[loud wadi]

🤌

[icy mulch]

I just hate that none of our buttons really have that meaty damage until after 5 to 6 other buttons. All based on procs and cool downs.

[glacial moat]

Best part of execute phase is not having to press rend.

[gaunt owl]

too many buffs

kill the buff

[glacial moat]

All fights should be two target cleave that starts in execute phase.

Who says no

[noble oxide]

I agree

[icy mulch]

They need to bring back things not on GCD, so we can really drain rage in the CS windows.

[manic river]

That's why I liked it when it proced all the bleeds at once, you had to reapply bleeds again but it was impactful

[glacial moat]

Sweeping strikes on gcd will never not feel like shit

[manic river]

They should find some other use for it again

[gaunt owl]

NO

[glacial moat]

At least let it do some damage or something

[gaunt owl]

stop trying to bring back Heroic Strike

[icy mulch]

Cataclysm was peek Arms.

[loud wadi]

i say legion

[icy mulch]

We didn't even use Heroic strike much.

[glacial moat]

Legion was a great time to be a warrior in general

[woeful hare]

Recent patch actually change our build any?

[manic river]

It is true however that with the latest rage changes we are producing too much without having as many things to spend, the exception is exe phase with colo specially

[manic river]

I watched and old guide for legion and from my modern ass perspective it seemed a bit too simple, I would like to know how it was from people who were in the expansion

[gaunt owl]

Cata gameplay was really different

[icy mulch]

The gcd is holding us back from maxing CS windows. MS is lame without the buffing building up. So you end up getting maybe 2 MS per window.

[gaunt owl]

maxing what

we dont spend rage

TOM is finally were it belong

in the fucking trash

[icy mulch]

Lol

Fair

[thick kelp]

Fuck haste

on arms

COlossus on top

I love my crit mastery colossus

[gaunt owl]

we need a better mastery