arms

[candid pecan]

idk if any1 answered you, but what you can do is go to bigwings folder and delete Nameplates.lua , you have to do this everytime you update bigwigs tho https://www.reddit.com/r/WowUI/comments/1f3wsiq/helplittle_icons_on_nameplates/?rdt=35247

[worldly kernel]

So I’ve been messing around with arterial and I’m running the talent for rage on bleed damage it seems to somewhat fix the issue I’m having

[sacred zodiac]

@daring heron you're kind of inside the bosses hitbox there

[daring heron]

do you think it's a parry that doesn't show as a parry

[sacred zodiac]

might be the server disagreeing with the client on your position/facing the boss

[gaunt owl]

pretty sure its baked into the talent now

[daring heron]

there's no sound, nothing in details

can't see anything in log either

[sacred zodiac]

idk how netcode works but i assume it could be your client allowing the execute but server says no so nothing happens but your client incurs a gcd

[charred brook]

That’s the only thing that would make sense

[wanton sierra]

coz slayer exe proc shall stack to 2.. thats why i was askin

[charred brook]

It’s like in valorant you see a headshot but the server recognized a body shot

[worldly kernel]

That’s just tickrate it’s entirely possible

[charred brook]

That’s why people prefer 128 tickrate servers in CS because of literally that exact problem

[worldly kernel]

Oh trust I know lol it’s the only game I play more than wow so I know the exact issues

[charred brook]

If that’s even a thing anymore, been a long time since I played cs like that

[worldly kernel]

Nah they changed it, it’s server side real time tick vs tick rate based architecture

[sacred zodiac]

dont wanna lean too far because i dont know shit about how netcode works in general

[charred brook]

It wouldn’t crazy to think it works that way though tbh

There will always been a delay between your input and the server reading it

[worldly kernel]

Anyways it could be that it overlapped with a “server tick” if wow still operates on that sort of like a spell queue but nothing happened

[charred brook]

While rare it could happen like that

[worldly kernel]

Most likely one off thing

[warped spade]

I've had it happen plenty

Never before this expac. And only noticed it with execute

[gaunt owl]

could be something they did when they made Execute snappy again

there is still a weird delay on the text pop up if you use default SCT

[astral talon]

weakaura delay?

cuz you mean overall it didnt cast or it didnt keep up the jugg?

oh shit

it didnt cast at all

had sth like that happen many times, i press my stuff, doesnt cast, button stays lit up

always thought its a lag issue

[sacred zodiac]

idk ive literally never seen that before

need to be very careful when yall say youve had this before cause this is extremely specific

[boreal quartz]

LB and opp are delayed

but thats cuz tact tracking stinks

[sacred zodiac]

i mean yeah

[boreal quartz]

other delay i dont know abt

[primal urchin]

did anyone figure out exactly what's going on with this affix and bladestorm CD

[sacred zodiac]

weakauras is just bugged with flat cdrs while cdr effects are ongoing

[primal urchin]

sick

it's driving me insane

[sacred zodiac]

swap to actionbars for the last day or two you have to deal with this

[boreal quartz]

i just made mine show again

so i can glance if bs doesnt go off

🤷‍♂️

[primal urchin]

yea I should do that

[tiny dock]

for colossus, what CDs do I focus on lining up with demolish?

oh it's mainly SS

[lapis spear]

Avatar and blood fury

[tiny dock]

what is blood fury

[boreal quartz]

orc racial

[lapis spear]

Racial passive

For warriors

[tiny dock]

oh

[wanton sierra]

man its kinda nebulous coz there is some demo i trhow without wb

but mostly something i do alling, lige ava wb ss

[zenith warren]

what is the best solution to add cds timeline for a specific boss fight? personal ert of some sort

[quaint otter]

use ur senses

[manic river]

Doing pug raids sucks

A couple different groups and none of them know how to properly do the second boss

[shadow ibex]

Still no compensation buff for arms catching nonsense ST nerf

[manic river]

Yep

No core skills or tier buff yet

[obtuse copper]

Warrior still needs some nerfs for sure

[manic river]

Not feeling arms needs more honestly

[modest carbon]

Some mortal strike buffs in colossus tree pls

[manic river]

I'm okay with the idea that Colossus is going to be a better aoe hero talent in general than st, but still it needs some more st

[obtuse copper]

100% aura nerf seems fair

[rose parrot]

Does dungeon slice work for us? If no, how to people like to sim for M+?

[severe haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616388557153632380/1292928084236042351/image.png?ex=6705849c&is=6704331c&hm=2173e8f70f76e022e53e3f982f2631949ecd8e24b397e4a23ac37ff078a98fb1&
demolish final hit hit for 4.8mil

[livid cloak]

Man you can do good st if you go into a boss fight with 10 stacks of demolish ready to go and lust

Finished that coagulation blood guy in city of threads the other day at 1.4m st as colossus aoe build

Or anything with phase stuff like mists 1st boss

Or skarmorak

[severe haven]

its a little unreliable because critting adds so much to the damage

[livid cloak]

Demolish can really shine

3rd boss in necrotic wake

Colossus arms can absolutely truck

[boreal quartz]

5 is rlly low

goes to 15 on damage amps

[severe haven]

this is purely on my own without any outside buffs or consumables lol

[livid cloak]

Get 4 or 5 stacks on skarmorak and send a giga demolish

[wanton sierra]

or 20 M on ingra xD

i did 50M... 20 on demo and 30 on mad queen trink

[livid cloak]

Nice

[severe haven]

how is colossus in raids

[livid cloak]

Non existent

[severe haven]

yeah

[astral yarrow]

it cooks a litlle on court

[livid cloak]

But i am going to play it this week for my heroic reclears for fun

[astral yarrow]

sadly slayer just feels so much simpler to play on progress

[livid cloak]

I could see getting some value on like

Brood? Court? Queen

Heroic i don't do mythic

Casual Andy here

[gentle wharf]

does anyone else have issues macro-ing rank 3 pots into avatar, mine is fucking bugged and doesnt eork

[daring heron]

that's a cauldron potion

do you have cauldron potions in bag

/use item:212971
/use item:212265
/use item:212264
/use item:212263

Try this instead of the potion line if you want, the first one is cauldron pot r3, second one is non-cauldron r3, third one is non-cauldron r2

[gentle wharf]

ty crit, i am using r3 cauldron potions yah but it wasn't working will let u know if this works

works ty ❤️

[astral yarrow]

bro is rich enough to macro pots damn

[dire hinge]

Fleeting ones are pretty safe

[bronze elbow]

is colossus gonna be competitive next week?

i played it while levelling and really had fun with it, then never touched it again

[manic river]

The affix next week is going to be a bitch now that you say it, but colo is probably going to be good

[bronze elbow]

i kinda wanna try it since they keep nerfing bladestorm for slayer, and the big number for demolish tickles my small brain

[manic river]

The affix gives you crit when you remove it apparently, maybe that helps colo a little bit

[shadow ibex]

nah its pretty bad

i played it on a rashan pull cuz i didnt think we'd kill it that pull

its just flat out shit even in best case scenario with a boss in execute for like 80% of the fight

so you have tons of demo stacks incoming from exe casts

and still far below what i was doing as slayer on those pulls and tbh i have more practice with colossus since i m+ more than m raid

colossus ST is just mega cursed

[livid cloak]

That's not what I was talking about but okay 👍

[zenith warren]

I like colossus in weekly no leavers 10s though

demolish bangs

3mln+

[shadow ibex]

as long as you have 4-5 things to hit its a good time

the situations where you press MS the least it shines

its poetic in a way

[lone sluice]

is falling through the floor on the boat in dawnbreaker common?

[shadow ibex]

ive had it happen once when flying to the webbing boats on the side

[lone sluice]

handy in a key

[shadow ibex]

you were just lucid dreaming

[vital rune]

TIL you can use defensive stance without blowing a gcd

[shadow ibex]

think every defensive is off gcd

[vital rune]

Good to know

First time pushing high keys on my warrior so learning new things still

[primal urchin]

rallying is on the GCD

[livid cloak]

But you can rally while bladestorming

[vital rune]

Wish we could get to shattering throw easier to deal with this affix easily

[livid cloak]

Shattering doesn't work

[vital rune]

Oh, damn

Never mind then

[livid cloak]

Just cleave it down it takes a while for the affix to ramp up

[vital rune]

I’ve enjoyed most of them but this one has been awful

[livid cloak]

It doesn't need to die immediately

[vital rune]

Spawns at the worst times

[livid cloak]

I love it. The cdr on colossus is fantastic

[astral yarrow]

hate on use trinkets

[primal urchin]

it sucks with trinket alignment

[livid cloak]

That's true

[vital rune]

Had it spawn during add phase of first boss in Ara when half the arena was covered

Woof

[livid cloak]

Just taunt it

[primal urchin]

that can happen, but the buff orbs are worse for that

much worse

[livid cloak]

Then kill it

[primal urchin]

the add ddying a bit slow is annoying but not a catastrophe

[livid cloak]

It doesn't do damage

[vital rune]

Damn. Big brain strat

[primal urchin]

3-4 of those stupid orbs hitting the boss from an angle you can't prevent is a wipe condition

[livid cloak]

Just taunt and it will come to you

Taunt also off the gcd

[primal urchin]

so many tanks just ignore it, it's very annoying

[livid cloak]

I do to when I tank

Just bring it into melee and cleave it

[primal urchin]

that's what I mean

when it spawns like 20 yards away from the pack (maybe in between pulls etc.) and it isn't taunted into the melee pile

[livid cloak]

Don't need to solo it out in bfe

It has a threat table, so if the healer brings it in or anyone taunts

It can come into melee

The ball affix was awful, shit like last boss in siege of boralus or 2nd boss in ara kara

Just can't get to balls sometimes

Boss gets a 30 percent buff. Gg

[sacred zodiac]

just roleplay playing 1 key level higher

[livid cloak]

Ain't no way 1 key lvl is 30 percent boss dam

[primal urchin]

I spend at least 3 minutes a day just staring at spongie PFP

alluring

confounding

[livid cloak]

11 to 12 maybe

[manic river]

I still haven't done more than 7

People don't take me and when I get a group many times we just plate

They fuck up on bosses this week a lot

[wise cloud]

Any1 tried playing with ovi'nax trink? is it shit? 😛

[astral talon]

Joining the question, sims very high for me

I'd think sacbrood + ovinax testicle would be best for us

If we dont want to do the minigame of the other trinket

[sacred zodiac]

ovinax trinket isnt real

[candid pecan]

aintnoway

hunter saved

[astral talon]

Fuck hunter

Only survival is respectable

Cuz it's melee

[wise cloud]

But i was wondering of it's uptime more than anything tbh

It's either the shittiest trinket or its nice i'm not sure lol

[cosmic oasis]

Is ?? Zekvir solo possible on arms?

[tacit crystal]

yes

its doable at 600 for classes

[astral talon]

For arms?

I'd argue no honestly

Dot will nuke you

[tacit crystal]

maybe dont care enough to do it on my warrior

[sullen mason]

You can cycle avatar and bladestorm to remove it as arms

[astral talon]

Fair, still sucks mostly

When fury has easier time

[edgy solstice]

Just gnome racial it

[astral talon]

MUCH easier time

[edgy solstice]

[latent moss]

what dot

the one that slows you

[astral talon]

Double bladestorm

Yes

[latent moss]

u can slayer charge out of it

[astral talon]

It does dmg

Oh right i forgot about that lol

[latent moss]

walk out and charge back

[edgy solstice]

Slayer charge, avatar, bladestorm all break it

[latent moss]

with the slayer freedom talent

[edgy solstice]

Plus Brann dispels half of them

[tacit crystal]

is it not possible to kick each cast?

[edgy solstice]

If you kick the dot, you can't kick the heal

[tacit crystal]

theres a heal

wtf

[edgy solstice]

On ?? Yeah

[tacit crystal]

thank god i didnt have to do that on my rats

oh

i was only doing ?

[edgy solstice]

Ya

[tacit crystal]

0 reason to do ?? for vault

[edgy solstice]

It's also smart duration'd to however long your classes' kick CD is

[astral talon]

Its for achievement

Thats all

[tacit crystal]

^

[edgy solstice]

I really wanted the mount

[broken arrow]

Did Zekvir ?? at 620 ilvl as Arms. Used Brann/Bladestorm/Charge/Dwarf Racial to remove the poison. I died a lot to the big frontal when the egg spawns far away, but once I started saving heroic leap to dodge that it was GG.
Used the Brann relic that gives more potions when you pick up a potion so I had basically 0 gaps in healing.

[vapid igloo]

So if I'm running the Juggernaut build for M+, which omits Merciless Bonegrinder, am I prioritizing MS > Cleave generally after Bladestorm with SS up?

[edgy solstice]

Depends how many mobs

Not sure when the cutoff is but also depends how much of a prio something is too

And if you're running fob or not

[cosmic nymph]

I did it yesterday at 612, Odin's Fury was the best way to remove the dot since it gives avatar for 4s, using that and the talent to give bladestorm 2x charges, didn't really run into trouble

And I just realised I'm in the arms channel 😅

[long fable]

I feel like the cdr on bladestorm throws off alot of cooldown pairups bleh

[tacit crystal]

?????

its 45 seconds

[long fable]

If only I could get avatar to 45 seconds as well

these are just the ramblings of a dude leveling a warrior is all dont mind me

[latent moss]

ava is ur "big cd"

[white condor]

Arms>Fury for single target?

[astral talon]

Yes

[strong crane]

mastery versa forpvp ?

mai nstat ?

[tacit crystal]

ask #pvp

[rapid bronze]

Just wanted to say hello to my fellows in the orphan class who don’t get nerf reverts

[long fable]

Dont follow the meta, follow what you play best. you'll enjoy the game more

most groups would rather a guy who can play their class well rather than a meta humper

Save, maybe for higher M+ pushing but thats .. I cant do that

[tacit crystal]

you say thay

but they will never learn

[astral yarrow]

Reality is that meta trickles down. You’ll have people wanting frost DK and Aug evoker for their +4

[livid cloak]

Yep

[sacred zodiac]

trickle down metanomics

[frosty pike]

ive had such bad experiences with augs lately

every now and then i get one well worth his place but

the amount of FOTM rerollers who have rode the waves of groups to 2400+ is nuts

[astral yarrow]

It’s just hard to gauge the effectiveness of Aug in game sadly

[astral yarrow]

📉

[vast hinge]

augs are pretty much required for +12 keys though

like 95% of groups that have timed a +12 has a aug, and a FDK

[magic canopy]

its becuase the mobs do too much damage and dont have enough health

so you take a less damage safter spec

[manic stirrup]

fdk isnt even close to required its just good

lot of specs own

[manic stirrup]

yes

[snow flame]

how can fdk have such a fun rotation

meanwhile arms

[nova marsh]

Am I the only person who has fun with arms?

[sacred zodiac]

its kinda alright

close contender for the worst iteration ive played yet

[tacit crystal]

ive only played dragonflight arms

and this shit stinks

[snow flame]

just nothing plays great to press

no feedback from anything kinda kills the vibe to me

[sacred zodiac]

op and ms in execute are neat buttons

[nova marsh]

Idk I get plunty of feed back from MS

And exe

Even bladestorm actually feels good to me

But I'm just crazy ig

[sacred zodiac]

but the garbage execute priorities and rage capping outside of execute is just full garbage

[tacit crystal]

the only part where i feel like im playing arms is 35%

otherwise im capping rage and afk

[sacred zodiac]

idk the fact that MS isnt the highest priority button to press with its conditionals feels horrible

inside and outside of execute

[snow flame]

Idk when I play fury or frost dk I feel like I'm getting feedback from my abilites

when I play arms I feel dead inside

[nova marsh]

I genuinely don't understand what feedback you're looking for?

[latent moss]

10.0 was worst for me

[tacit crystal]

ms hitting hard

[nova marsh]

Damage? big animations? More glowing buttons?

[latent moss]

cs slam slam slam slam until tom

then sks

[snow flame]

hard to explain really it's just a feeling

[sacred zodiac]

hate tom (people named tom, not test of might)

[nova marsh]

Tom deserved it's death

Just remove it

[latent moss]

bro i thought arm did big numbers but legit every other spec has a 4-5mil crit

[tacit crystal]

i like tom

🙂

hitting execute during tom

[snow flame]

yeah not really feeling the rotation

[latent moss]

i love random 15% ms nerfs

[latent moss]

there is nothing to feel

[versed lagoon]

Imo demolish is one of the best feeling abilities in wow

[latent moss]

as someone who has played arms forever

current rotation

is so boring

its unreal

[tacit crystal]

demolish sucks to press

[nova marsh]

I hope your stacks fall off in your next key

[latent moss]

true

[versed lagoon]

If y'all meta chasing Slayer and hating it try Colossus

[latent moss]

i hate to say it

but demolish feels amazing

[tepid dagger]

I know what you mean. Arms is fun and pumps, but fury still somehow feels better.

[versed lagoon]

Brutal

[nova marsh]

Honestly just buff the stack duration and I'll play colossus \

[latent moss]

it absolutely fucks

[tacit crystal]

yeah i love having a second fyralath

[versed lagoon]

SHINCK SHINCK FWAAAAAP

[snow flame]

some of the feeling probably does stim from lack of visuals

that arms has

[nova marsh]

I mean fury isn't any better in that department

[tacit crystal]

why do people want a second axe that is shittier

[nova marsh]

But I'm also just someone who WANTS a less visually busy spec

I don't really like overly flashy shit

[versed lagoon]

You can have both though, brew master isn't really that flashy but it looks real nice

[nova marsh]

eh very true

[sacred zodiac]

idk arms has some of the nicest animations

depends on race i suppose

[snow flame]

I play tauren

[nova marsh]

I'm just not really crazy about animations in wow, espically in meele

[sacred zodiac]

self inflicted

[latent moss]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

play female

way better animations

[nova marsh]

heresy

[versed lagoon]

I think cs could do with a green/yellow sweep or something. Dwarf exe animation is pretty on point

[nova marsh]

I kinda want them to just delete the current exe animation

JUST because the damage delay still...kind of feels there?

It's not as crimminally bad as it was in DF and shadowlands, but it still feels like there's a delay, albiet a pretty meaningless one

[versed lagoon]

I actually think the dwarf animations looks wayyyy better with a bigger weapon. Probably placebo but w/e

[snow flame]

I should have never played bfa arms with expediant 3

it's like snorting cocaine then living everyday normal

[nova marsh]

I mean also I just don't vibe as much with any spec as much as I do arms. Current rota kinda just feels comfy to me

[versed lagoon]

It would be perfect for me if slam scaled it's rage consumption a bit. I feel arms would feel better with gaps in some gcds

But it's fine as is, that's me nitpicking

(also make the exe talent scale to 99 again ty)

[nova marsh]

The only real point of critism I have about the spec is for fuck's sake can we just get proper CD alingment

[nova marsh]

No

Just no

Main reason why is there's no point, there will almost never be a fight where that talent's full potentional will be used

That and it'll feel even worse when it falls off

"Oh look jugg fell off now I do no damage YAY!

[versed lagoon]

That's just the same as it is now, just with less high

[nova marsh]

I mean

Jugg in general imo is just not fun

I've hated evrey version of it, even if I do run it in keys

[versed lagoon]

Ah yeah, I don't run it in keys, haven't really felt the need to

[nova marsh]

It's a pref thing

[nova sequoia]

Bladestorm needs a buff. i look at the damage is does compared to other classes stuff anf its just lol

[versed lagoon]

But then again, been playing prot in keys cause you can't get a group as dps

[nova marsh]

But I'm one of the craazy people who think removing jugg and falaity would make it great

[nova marsh]

Dude bladestorm is fine

This isn't DF

It already got buffed by 70%

Sure, blizzard took some of that away but point still stands

[versed lagoon]

Doesn't bladestorm fuck at target cap?

[nova sequoia]

Needs another 70% because it does less damage than everyoens basic abilities

[nova marsh]

In what context?"

Aoe ? ST?

[versed lagoon]

You factor in all the debuffs & unhinged Ms and I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as you think it is

[nova sequoia]

Both i guess lol

[nova marsh]

I mean the thing is

BS's damage isn't, and hasn't been for a while, it's main attraction

It's the added benefits (unhinged and overwhelmed)

[nova sequoia]

No. you press bladestorm you should that pack 100%

[nova marsh]

It's still a button that feels reletively nice to press, espically now that it does realistic damage

[nova sequoia]

top that pack*

[nova marsh]

🤷

I like the idea of alignment more (EVEN IF THAT DOSEN"T EXIST ANYMORE)

Yall got a literal entire tree based around bladestorm and still want more damage

[nova sequoia]

Theres a lot of ret paladins in this class disc for some reason

[nova marsh]

bro what

[versed lagoon]

Wat

Where did paladins come from

[nova sequoia]

Idk hes just talking like one

[foggy void]

Well after the first war the Church of the Light thought they needed warrior priests and so th.... :)

[versed lagoon]

Imo u feel that bad about it play Colossus, he's right 🤷‍♂️

[versed lagoon]

Fuggin lightsimps

[nova marsh]

So

because I like alignment I'm a paladin?

Lmao

You do realize evreything aligned pretty fine in DF?

[nova sequoia]

Its just weird, To hang out in another classes discord and argue against any kind of buffs to another spec, Like why are warriors sitting rent free in your head so much

[versed lagoon]

Nice bait

[nova marsh]

Oh

Now I see lmao

[nova sequoia]

a lot of ppl do i see, i just dont understand it

same with the fury disc

[nova marsh]

All I see is rage bait

[versed lagoon]

Real question, how many targets is tclap > slam for filler with nothing else to press?

[uneven yacht]

does arms not have a spammable aoe filler? it seems like there is nothing to do while waiting for cleave/overpower

[nova marsh]

Use MS and execute

[livid cloak]

Mortal strike

[nova marsh]

Also TC?

[livid cloak]

Slam

Clap

Sweep

[nova marsh]

MS can trigger reap

[uneven yacht]

ms even without sweeping up?

[nova marsh]

Which is good aoe damage

Yeah

[livid cloak]

Yes lol

[uneven yacht]

i don't want to buff that with overpower stacks though do i

[nova marsh]

Dosen't really matter that much

[livid cloak]

Don't ovetyhink op stacks

Hitting ms is better than hitting nothing

Ideally you'd ms, op, cleave

But

Its okay to op, ms, cleave

Just hit cleave every 3rd gcd in aoe

[uneven yacht]

how does cleave fit in the ST rotation

[nova marsh]

It dosen't really

[uneven yacht]

so just ignore it and fill with slam?

[nova marsh]

Techincally a better filler then cleave if you don't have MP stacks

trhen slam

For mostly still fill with slam

[visual apex]

Random question: My spell reflect goes off a lot during Ky'veza, but our guilds warriors cant tell what we're actually reflecting

does anyone know?

[halcyon breach]

You're deflecting the aoe rot from the shadows

You can also deflect the lines during the intermission

[visual apex]

ahhh interesting

ty ty!!

[spare goblet]

When the demolish hits just right

[jolly quartz]

Collossus for m+ right?

[dire hinge]

try both out.
Colossus excels at AoE (trash packs)
Slayer has slightly stronger single target (boss/priority damage)

[jolly quartz]

How far behind Is slayer on trash packs? I'd say considerably no?

[livid cloak]

Depends on the slayer build

[shadow ibex]

not gonna beat an equal skilled/geared ret on a trash pack as slayer

colossus however should be able to

if that puts it into context

[nova marsh]

If ur goal is to top meters colo better

If you got tired of your stacks running out RIGHT BEFORE YOU HIT A PACK slayer better (blizzard please just buff the stack duration seriously wtf is that crap)

[shadow ibex]

i dont think i've had my stacks run out more than like 3 times

and it was waiting for a healer to run back because no one could res

[jolly quartz]

By stacks you mean colossus might right?

Also outside of major cds, does arms beat fury in general AOE?

Cos it looks like arms gets to cycle through cds way faster than arms does so, who's better in sustained?

[leaden oracle]

arms is better in long sustained AoE but fury bursts way harder which makes them better in alot of situations in m+ and raid adds

[edgy solstice]

depends on key level tho. colo still has some setup. ret just blows their load on pull

[rugged jasper]

Will any of the talent choices really change in raid with the class tuning?

Haven't played much arms but am learning it now

[nova marsh]

Don't know yet

Archi will probally run the math tomorrow

But like...kinda doubt it wil

[jolly quartz]

fury getting target cap reductions on roar and odyns tho and odyns provides a lot of up front burst; i mean if the pack dies fast enough then arms wont catch up to fury burst but once furys burst is over its pretty fkn meh until everything comes back up

[rugged jasper]

That's what I figured from reading it but figured it was worth asking. I'll keep an eye out. Thank you bud

[jolly quartz]

then fury outside of its burst window literally has a hard cap of 5 targets

[edgy solstice]

that's what Thane AM is for

it's def gonna be ahead in aoe for fury, just a matter of how far behind it is in ST

[jolly quartz]

might aswell just learn collossus and delete packs with a fatty demolish

[dire hinge]

it's pretty cozy

[shadow ibex]

after 3rd boss of grim batol

it is literally colossus city

you have WB + demo for all the faceless+mini guy packs

its absolutely disgusting

go into pull with 14 stacks of CD, WB and max demo ready to delete

[jolly quartz]

14? the talent says it goes upto 10?

[shadow ibex]

CD can stack as many globals as u can fit inside sweeping

[dire hinge]

he's talking about Collateral Damage (the sweeping strike talent)

[jolly quartz]

oh

[jolly quartz]

so you just like, charge wb cleave demo next pack

[shadow ibex]

thats how the last few pulls of grim batol go p much

u wont have avatar + roar for everything as colossus but u do have at least WB + demo in the pocket for most pulls

[jolly quartz]

thats what i feel like is missing from fury when i play it

like, blow everything on the pack, dps skyrockets; next pull hit like wet noodle

[edgy solstice]

yeah it's shit

[nova marsh]

Arms at least usually has CS for evrey pull

So ya got the haste

[shadow ibex]

you can do a lot with cleave and warbreaker as colossus

and demo is always like 15 seconds away at most

[nova marsh]

Tbh even slayer goes pretty far

I never feel like I'm actually missing a CD for packs...bosses are another story but yeah

Unless you just miss like evrey mark

[paper summit]

diablo expac set to launch 7 hours ago. Still waiting...

[nova marsh]

I mean

This is blizzard we're talking about, remeber WoD launch?

[jolly quartz]

arms would work nicely on the webs on queen right? like a wb > cleave > demo should wreck the lot really fast no?

[nova marsh]

I mean yeah

but like for that purpose I'm pretty sure fury is just straight up better

just like they were for tindy

Granted they DID have OF for evrey set and I don't think fury has OF or BS for evrey set now

[jolly quartz]

i just cbf'd swapping between arms and fury all the time

[nova marsh]

Fair enough

I just...don't like fury 🤷

Even slayer BS should be able to take care of them thou]

[jolly quartz]

fury can blow everything ojn the first set, then bladestorm is up by the second and the third comes shortly after for OF

[nova marsh]

Kinda what I figured

[jolly quartz]

i like fury but the single target is so aids and it looks like arms is doing overall better

[nova marsh]

I mean

with how blizz is going who knows how long that'll be

And yeah, fury's ST has always been it's weakest spot

[jade ember]

I always play Arms for the Patchwerk fights in the raid, feels so much better. As for Fury, at the very least starting tomorrow we're going to have a good consistent aoe damage profile in Thane. ST is just gonna be booboo, although maybe the anniversary buffs will make a meaningful diff.

[boreal quartz]

Pluh 🗣️

[hollow wave]

While the holy paladin community worked out with their dev to revert the hpal nerf, we are still getting nerfed for no reason

[vital summit]

because we have no dev

[worldly kernel]

I mean there's big voices in the arms community the only problem is compared to every other melee spec there isn't a lot of people playing it

[brisk slate]

Sure, and that's why warriors in general get nerfed or they get ideas like in Legion where the made ranged attacks unblockable for prot and took an entire season to change it.

Was a great time for arms though, so we've got one competent dev assigned to brown class. Sometimes.

[nova marsh]

Arms has a component dev and a cosmetic rage bar too? Somethings off here

[brisk slate]

Hence sometimes.

[worldly kernel]

I mean, I just don't understand changes or lack of changes on the spec and the decision making. I get that it's underrepresented statistically but you can make them work. I feel like another big thing they look at is just what everyone is playing and see like less than an 1/8th of them are arms warriors and they're just like yeah we'll leave them alone they're fine

[brisk slate]

Don't think he has been spotted since Legion, so I suspect he got laid off.

[vital summit]

I'm starting to think that warrior dev is some retired shadowlands lore dev

[brisk slate]

Sure, it's statistically underrepresented. You've got to keep in mind though that Arms is the favoured offspec for prot due to a better synergy statwise than fury has, so there's some considerable common ground between both specs as well.

[quasi torrent]

What are you on about

[worldly kernel]

I mean it's just been underrepresented since it's inception as a pve spec starting with TBC, fury has always been the go to but there are times where arms is just niche or in some cases on par or better than fury

like it's not as good but you could make it work

[wide apex]

if arms is good people play it

[quasi torrent]

Yall are trying to rewrite history man

its crazy

[wide apex]

you see how everyone was playing arcane mage this tier and fire mage other tiers

they just play whats good

[boreal quartz]

Cuz its a 3 dps class

If you dont play the best one ur just a bad mage

[brisk slate]

Haste/crit better than haste/mastery. If maximising DPS for specific content, a lot of prot players pick up arms as an offspec. Been so for a while, if I recall.

[boreal quartz]

Lmao

[wide apex]

warrior players will also play whats good

[boreal quartz]

Yes but there's an astounding amount of fury mains

Not warrior mains

🤷

[vital summit]

if arms and fury did identical dps, players would choose fury more

because more zug zug aesthetics

[wide apex]

fury is just generally tankier as well, but sure

[agile obsidian]

this is because of aesthetics, but if Arms was better than fury, it would be played more

[brisk slate]

Nah, people would still play fury.

[boreal quartz]

Look at sanctum

Fury was not unpopular in the slightest

[arctic hearth]

Im lvling my ret, they are Getting buffed too much and will prob get tuned down again tho😅

[boreal quartz]

When arms was just way better

[vital summit]

I'm a gamerdad delve enjoyer and I play arms

[boreal quartz]

[agile obsidian]

i remember in Dragon Soul, Arms was the better spec, were dumb to play fury then

[arctic hearth]

They were fine and are Getting buffed😂👍

[vital summit]

arms was a to go spec in Emerald nightmare too

[brisk slate]

Zug zug Fury is just more popular than big bonk arms.

[worldly kernel]

F tier players playing S tier specs really drive the decisions

[arctic hearth]

Easier to perform on s tier usually

[agile obsidian]

arms will forever be only a PvP spec to me, but that's just my fantasy

[wide apex]

if you'd look on something like tomb of sargeras suddenly arms is popular

idk I think it can help to have a bigger playerbase to cry about things

[worldly kernel]

I mean I guess you're right people are going to play the game and be drones and just play whats good regardless if they're doing progression or not

[wide apex]

but its ultimately just up to the developers

absolutely no1 was playing arcane in a bunch of tiers and yet its gotten a significant amount of attention since then

[hollow wave]

That's why I lean to fury, fury survivability is too good to pass

[wide apex]

if the warrior dev feels like doing stuff on arms they'll do that

[vital summit]

It's like when mages want fire to be the top spec, play the shit out of arcane when it's OP and detest frost in anything pve related

[agile obsidian]

i just want the ability to throw sword and board on and sheild blcok no matter my spec again

[brisk slate]

Dunno, I think we could do with a few damage modifiers for MS less and a bit more baseline damage for it. Would make it easier to use.

[worldly kernel]

I mean fundamentally the spec is just built of piling on damage modifiers it's not how it used to be where you just pressed MS and it was a big hit until it came back up again

but that was in wotlk before they added collosus smash and got rid of armor pen

[arctic hearth]

Arms die by the sword 👍

[vital summit]

They could make colossus stacks go up to like 15-20 while the bonuses stop at 10 so you can pool up

[worldly kernel]

I do agree though if they changed the whole overpower MS buff thing and just made MS hit harder I would probably like it a lot but there's a lot of stuff I'd personally change but some people might not like it. But still again there's so little people playing it comparitively to other melee specs I think people would like some sort of refresh it's felt similar the last couple of expacs

[brisk slate]

Yeah, and a common thing I hear from other warriors in my guild is just that Arms is too complicated with all it's modifiers and when to press MS, where Fury is supposedly much easier.

Never really got the hang of fury outside of Odyn's builds, though, so can't tell myself.

[thick kelp]

Very complicated when the only bonusthat matters is EP(and tier now)

[teal fossil]

tf

thats basic gaming

if someone cant keep track of 2 buffs thats their problem

[brisk slate]

Which part of it?

[teal fossil]

epsecially when weakauras do that for you

the too many modifiers part

[worldly kernel]

people want the least amount of effort for the maximum benefit

[vital summit]

you don't really have to think much about the buffs

not that complicated

[teal fossil]

you track buffs in execute

but thats it

[thick kelp]

I can only imagine how hard it is for them to play fury since they need to keep track of RA + enrage to decide what to press

[worldly kernel]

too hard for some people

[brisk slate]

I know, I know. Though I can imagine that people starting out on Arms and don't touch guides for it will want to track everything, all the time.

[teal fossil]

almost every spec in the game has to trakc something

[brisk slate]

Sure, and some of it matters and some of it doesn't.

[teal fossil]

im saying something that matters

like we dont track MP

every spec tracks something that matters

and if you dont want to play optimally thats on you

[brisk slate]

I know. Someone who doesn't may want to track it though.

[teal fossil]

if you send MS on 2 EP you can do that

and theres this wonderful thing called rotation helper

my love and joy

[vital summit]

base UI glow ups are enough sometimes

like demolish when 10 stacks

or sudden death

wish it would do the same with slayer bladestorm stacks

[teal fossil]

almost every spec in the game can be played "good enough" without too many weakauras

[worldly kernel]

I think people are stubborn and don't wanna use addons but then they're not performing up to par

god I hope that made sense lol

[teal fossil]

and rest separate the 50 parses from 70s

[boreal quartz]

And opp and rage amount and sd and mfe

And then also know timers for adds

But also minmax am for brood so awful smh

[vital summit]

addons make you worse sometimes

[boreal quartz]

Unless it's weakauras

[teal fossil]

never

[vital summit]

like when I downloaded some zekvir WA and started to do worse because I was too focused on watching what ability comes next ;_;

[teal fossil]

i have 3 addons

dbm hekili gtfo

[brisk slate]

The majority of the player base is casual players though, so anyone's guess what they're up to. It just feels like the average players gets more out of Fury with less effort made to me, but I'm being subjective here.

[teal fossil]

i dont need anything else

[worldly kernel]

ayo hear me out, ima still make arms work BUT throw me a little bone

[teal fossil]

i would agree with that yeah

its also "more fun" because its more fast paced

[worldly kernel]

ya like I said earlier though people want to give the least amount of effort for the most amount of performance when it doesn't matter unless you're pushing the highest content and have to completely min max

[thick kelp]

dbm and gtfo

[teal fossil]

goated addons

[thick kelp]

nawww

BW >>

[teal fossil]

heres the thing

i have all my attention on hekili

[thick kelp]

and monitor turned on meansa I dont need gtfo

[worldly kernel]

details so I can see how big my demolish hit

[teal fossil]

so therefore i need something screaming in my ear for the actual raid mech

this is the kind of optimization that separates the hekili shitters from the pros

[worldly kernel]

I made the analogy to someone who doens't use weakauras it's like training a dog everytime you hear a noise or see a icon you do something

[teal fossil]

ye

sounds right

[inland drift]

hekili's fun to use , i keep it right in the middle of the screen so it doesn't give me that tunnel vision on the corner

[worldly kernel]

like I just have basic ones where I see or hear something important and its not too cluttered but people just dont wanna use them because they think it's some sort of crutch and they end up grey parsing and have floor POV in keys

bozo behavior

[empty sluice]

ty

[worldly kernel]

ight yall gl on your vaults

[vital summit]

so many choices in vault these days

I remember simpler times when it was called box of dissapointment

one shit item with garbage stats

[slow saddle]

hmm

[vital summit]

while your one handed half brained guildie got titanforged arcanocrystal

[slow saddle]

ive tried collosus M+ with a focus on ST build

i still way way less ST than just a slayer somewhat st build

i must just be bad

[vital summit]

how much % increase is 4p set for arms?

ST

[thick kelp]

Like 3%

[vital summit]

yay I'll still be stronger tomorrow

[wary dune]

Offsetting the nerf you’ll only be 1% stronger xd

Assuming you’re playing slayer

[vital summit]

exactly

will I have 3 charges on catalyst on my alt or does it start to generate after I hit max lvl?

[teal fossil]

The former

[vital summit]

noice

[steel sluice]

why they have to touch slayer i was having fun spinning with bladestorm -.- i wouldnt mind the other hero spec but zug zug brain donst like to be rooted

[sullen ridge]

If I wanted to take wrecking throw in certain m+ dungeons, whats the cleanest way to do it? like -Overwhelming Rage // -Bounding Stride? throw being behind Honed Reflexes makes it feel hard to pick up

[teal fossil]

Yeah that sounds right

Not having bounding stride is Sadge but you can live with it

[strong crane]

Can someone send updpate change tomorrow plz ?

[burnt lake]

👆

[lost forum]

Not sure if this has been asked, but for opener, why would we start with ms over op? Wouldn't we want the op buff on ms first?

[vital summit]

deep wounds

[faint plume]

yo guys whats the prio rotation on execute phase? what i have to track and if its there a WA to help?

[velvet latch]

check the guide

[boreal quartz]

Track opportunist, tier and ep

And rage obviously

[fallen flume]

execute if over 85 rage iirc and what phil said

you send MS with 2x tier and ep stacks

[jolly quartz]

do you hold demolish for warbreaker / avatar windows or just send?

[fallen flume]

probably best to hold

[lost forum]

Ahh, thanks. Couldn't figure out what I was missing

[lost forum]

Doesn't colossus smash put deep wounds on target?

[vital summit]

You want it asap I guess

[frigid cipher]

You just don’t really care about the op buff

Getting ms on cd is more important

[hardy haven]

hey guys, how is arms in m+ compared to fury?

[sharp wyvern]

Fine

Collosus slaps

[frosty remnant]

Hey can someone help me understand how meld works? I’ve played horde my entire time in wow. You have to be still to press it, combat cancels it, so do you need to wait for tank to get threat back before moving or dpsing or can you immediately go back to dpsing right after you press it?

[iron obsidian]

Once you enter stealth you lose threat, once you exit stealth the threat you had before using shadowmeld still exists - if you manage to rip aggro from tank using big cds use meld wait a second / two depending on how experienced your tank is and you should be fine to come out

If you pop all cds for 6m dps, meld and instantly come out before the tank does anything you’re still getting full aggro

[frosty remnant]

Perfectly explained thank you! So it doesn’t completely vanish your threat it just saves you and gives time for it to go elsewhere

[iron obsidian]

Pretty much, it’s a good tool to let tanks threat catch up

ripping threat only really happens when you’re sending cds early so if you leave meld and dont have threat, you’re fine to keep blasting

[wanton sierra]

good morning fellow arms

today we shall get bis gear on vault

[vital summit]

hello leg

[modest carbon]

exposed as americas

[latent moss]

self report

[subtle ravine]

Okay, so I'm new to the game this expac. I've mostly been focused on improving my Raid knowledge, but I have a pretty consistent group who is wanting to slowly learn and grow in M+ (we're doing 4s and 5s rn) for gearing. WoWHead and the Arms build here still favor Slayer Arms for M+, but I've seen Colossus discussed a lot.

With Slayer nerfs inbound, are we expecting Colossus to take over in M+?

And do the updates to Arterial Bleed and No Stranger to Pain effect our choice nodes there?

[atomic mountain]

what sould be the alround dps in 9+?

ran a 8+ and all done around 900k - 1mio is this fine?

[astral talon]

low

depends on how clean your dungeon goes

you should always be above 1mil

if you go into 9s and 10s you should have like 1.2mil to properly carry your weight

[strange perch]

Type a racial slur in skyhold

This is my quest for today

[sacred zodiac]

[strange perch]

Will i be able to complete it

[opal folio]

@boreal quartz Drax moment

🥂 🦖

[astral talon]

depends

throw a white racial slur most people won't even know its a slur

[boreal quartz]

😶‍🌫️

[opal folio]

Homie made it as far as the first G before getting the nuke

[boreal quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/233915177685352448/1180324886590263318/ezgif.com-gif-maker_4.gif

[latent moss]

ezgif.com-gif-maker_4.gif

[thick kelp]

ezgif.com-gif-maker_4.gif

[silver jasper]

Does demolish split damage between targets hit?

[modest carbon]

no

[latent moss]

no

first two are st hits that can be cleaved with ss (and you should)

and the last hit is just aoe

softcapped at 8

[silver jasper]

thanks!

[slow saddle]

Cant wait for demo to be nerfed to 5 softcap

Is blizzards wettest dream

[median scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/apex-legends-nessie-california-girls-gif-27424093

[lilac needle]

This is only true I'm raid. In dungeons shadowmeld completely resets your threat. @frosty remnant

[boreal quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/233915177685352448/1180324886590263318/ezgif.com-gif-maker_4.gif

[livid cloak]

No you keep your threat in dungeons too

That being said, it's usually safe to meld, take 1 second, and come back

[astral talon]

Wait, do they give two stacks to sweeping?

[livid cloak]

The first 2 hits of demolish can be cleaved with ss

And yes they give 2 stacks to collateral damage

[astral talon]

Pogu

I did not know that xD

[frosty remnant]

Does this work in raid tho for adds?

[tiny dock]

man I gotta try colossus in m+

god damnit can I manage another button though

[frosty remnant]

Just put demolish on your old fyralath bind ez

[tiny dock]

never had fyralath

[frosty remnant]

[tiny dock]

thank you for reminding me

[livid cloak]

Arms is like 6 buttons with demolish and sks

[tiny dock]

whats sks

[livid cloak]

I guess 7 with slam and cleave

[tiny dock]

oh skull

[livid cloak]

Skull splitter

[tiny dock]

MS CS SS slam demo sks roar ava cleave tclap/rend op

[livid cloak]

8 with rend

[tiny dock]

i should check wowhead for a rend/clap macro

i counted 11 buttons for the rotation

oh right exe

[livid cloak]

Oh I don't count roar, or avatar since those are only once in a while

But it is a lot, I changed my mind

You convinced me

[tiny dock]

why not count roar when it's 45s and demo is 45s lol

:D

I've always mained arms, played fury this season and my god the difference in button bloat is crazy

[livid cloak]

I use a mmo mouse so it doesn't feel like a lot

[tiny dock]

prob just me though

i use a fps mouse lol

i should prob go find my old naga hex or something

[frosty pike]

just give me my thunder clap on sudden death set bonus back and we're even steven blizzard

[livid cloak]

That set was amazing

But then nobody would touch colossus lol

[frosty pike]

i think up until today the colossus numbers were pretty niche anyways, but yeah youre right

[livid cloak]

Most people were doing it in m plus

Well, most people in here talking about it

But still, that set bonus was so good

[frosty pike]

i always wonder about that though - i definitely (anecdotal) in the very seldom times i saw arms warriors in M+ they were slayer

[livid cloak]

It felt fantastic

[frosty pike]

but yeah, top keys with wars are colo

[livid cloak]

I've never seen another arms in m plus when I tank

[frosty pike]

i think i've seen one warrior other than myself as colo in M+

[fleet sinew]

1 more and we made it boys

[frosty pike]

https://mythicstats.com/meta

if you squint really hard you can see a solid .5% arms representation

i wonder how many are slayer vs colo

[livid cloak]

You can do it

[wheat lagoon]

Only 99 arms parses logged last week lol

[tiny dock]

I'm gonna try arms on hc queen this week

i progged it as fury so i have the timings down for p1 pretty down pat

made it hard to want to switch to arms

[gaunt matrix]

servers are up

[tiny dock]

wow thats fast

[fleet sinew]

Yeah less than 2K total queen kills logged
Meaning if I want orange I gotta be top 100. Unlikely, so this one's gonna wait 😞

[wanton sierra]

hey servers up, did the tunnin entered yet? vaults available at 12:00 right ? i mean in 5

[dusky matrix]

I keep seeing more and more top people do Colossus in m+ but everything says slayer is just better so I'm also curious

[boreal quartz]

Slayer does obscene st

Colo does good aoe

You kinda have to chose

Id never colo in grim batol or COT

But say siege holymoly

[subtle ravine]

Do you guys have any recs for high-skill YTers who play Arms Warrior in Mythic+? Most people I've seen are running Fury

[worldly kernel]

collosus in higher keys just feels better than sitting there hoping you get procs on prio mobs

you always have damage up in some form for a big pack

[boreal quartz]

You can find some stuff on twitch but m+ runs on yt isnt stuff i watch so no rec.

Rio shows ppl streaming on leaderboard

[worldly kernel]

I wouldnt call myself high skill but I record a lot of my 10's and 11's

[boreal quartz]

Thatll still help

If you upload em

[dim basalt]

Do we really use slam over execute without three stacks of Marked for Execution? Am I understanding the priority correctly?

[boreal quartz]

The sd execute kinda fits in weirdly

Below op prio above slam iirc

[icy mulch]

https://imgur.com/a/7KsyCKl

[boreal quartz]

But high prio if itd drop / 3 MFE / jugg extend

Unsure on the slam i just send it ngl

[dim basalt]

ye I dont really understand why you wouldnt just send it when it does so much more damage than anything else

Even without MFE

[boreal quartz]

Its moreso you get the better avg GCD if u use ms/op beforehand

Rather than using best GCD at the moment

[dim basalt]

Does it even make a big difference

[edgy solstice]

ya it's more gcd eco and gaming jugg than anything else

[icy mulch]

Helm has a socket, and both Arms and Fury sim say take helmet.

[boreal quartz]

Ye

[dim basalt]

I see

[boreal quartz]

Trench very right

[dim basalt]

So with other words (ignoring MFE) we just try to keep up juggernaut with SD when possible

So we can pump super hard immediately when in execute range

[edgy solstice]

maintaining jugg pre-execute is prob the biggest prio

[astral talon]

isn't mark mythic ilvl tho?

[dim basalt]

That makes sense

[edgy solstice]

but rng will still fuck you sometimes

[boreal quartz]

Most of the times

[edgy solstice]

[boreal quartz]

I dropped an 11 Jugg to a sd parry at 36.1%

[icy mulch]

It is, and it has speed on it. Worse, I have the 619 tier helm already.

[boreal quartz]

I was so unbelievably done with the game

[dim basalt]

Im looking for a decent WA but wago doesnt like me

Publiks is decent but...just not it

[astral talon]

you can get hc helmet from raid, or catalyst

[icy mulch]

@astral talon Just did 5 target patchwerk, 3 min and finally the mythic mark pulls ahead.

[astral talon]

you can't get mythic mark

its amazing for m+

[icy mulch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sk9spDjQxUHBZ4hecNdcGa

My arms setup is actually decently above my Fury some how.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Y9JFskvATkt8YSReUEjq6

[vital rune]

Mark of Khadros right? No doubt about it?

[polar stream]

Nope

its not mythic track

take chest

[boreal quartz]

Myth chest ye

[polar stream]

as you can farm trinket

[smoky kayak]

Remember simc doesn’t account for upgrading unless you tell it to

[polar stream]

if you hgave myth track chest take socket

[icy mulch]

Catalyze the chest

[smoky kayak]

Also you have to determine how likely you’ll be to see that item again

[vital rune]

Bet, thanks homies

[icy mulch]

Yeah, I get why the socket is so strong. Just surprsed that 1 socket can out do a mythic item. Mind you, 619-623 is not a massive jump.

I can always add a socket later if I get stuck with heroic helm.

[smoky kayak]

Sockets aren’t actually that strong anymore, are you making the set bonus?

I guess mark isn’t as major for arms as fury though

[icy mulch]

Yeah, I have 4pc already. The socket would be replacing the same item without a socket.

[smoky kayak]

sockets are usually only like 0.1% for me, but

[icy mulch]

I linked the sims above if you want to look at em.

Maybe I just picked something stupid in the settings.

[dim basalt]

Sockets are really underwhelming atm

In comparison to DF

[icy mulch]

Sad

Ah well, I took the Mark anyways. Need that boost for M+ Arms.

When I'm not pigeonholed into Prot.

[sly flume]

I don’t have the chance to sim or see comparisons, but I’m assuming that Demolish is the M+ build now?

[boreal quartz]

generally yea

[sly flume]

And does demolish take ravager?

I don’t like that ability outside of prot lol. But if it’s a huge difference, then I need to be using it

[clear rain]

hmm do i send colossus on heroic silken court?

more aoe

[nova marsh]

Do we get another cata charge this week?

Cuz damn my vault is awful

Welcome to being hard stuck in pugs LMAO!

[icy mulch]

I still have two, only used one.

[nova marsh]

I mean the only upside I now I have 4 set garanteed finally

I really should've raided

[severe jewel]

big vault Ws

[nova marsh]

Nice

[winter path]

new to arms, and dps in general. if overpower and mortal strike are both up, is it generally worth giving prio to sending an overpower to buff mortal strike?

[livid cloak]

No

Not in st

[winter path]

nice, ty

[livid cloak]

In aoe I think at 3 or 4 targets? You overpower in between cleaves if available

To buff cleave

[winter path]

makes sense. very cool.

[smoky kayak]

cata and spark, yes

[nova marsh]

Yay I can have my tier finally

[fringe moon]

bitter immunity work on this week's affix?

[nova marsh]

Even if it did, probally not worth it

[fresh spire]

Until execute always send op2 as prio. In execute only op when half rage to prevent starving

With the opportunist nerf this week people can play around 2 stacks instead of opportunist

[nova marsh]

is that actually true based on numbers?

So we're back to normal arms yay!

[fresh spire]

Like 400dps loss

[nova marsh]

First of all, this is arms

second of all, use blood thrist

[timber wasp]

lmao my badlol

[dreamy spire]

how much worse is Colossus compared to slayer?

[nova marsh]

It's just worse ST

By about 8% still irrc

If you don't care about that for keys it's become pretty popular

[dreamy spire]

okok thank you - i just dont like to use bladestorm in Singletarget PvE... so i might give colossus a try

[nova marsh]

Fair

It dosen't feel that bad because of unhinged now thou

Least to me

[smoky kayak]

more like 4% now

[nova marsh]

Yeah I forgot about the nerfs and buffs

They're close enough it's playstyle pref

[smoky kayak]

Depends on what happens with with the PTR changes, if the Overwhelm nerf goes through, it'll be even closer still

[fresh spire]

was like 50k dps between colossus and slayer right now

[nova marsh]

With the realese date announced I'm gonna just assume all changes are set to go

Cuz that's usually what happens at this point in the realese cycle

[icy mulch]

Nothing like an added 2% salt in the wound.

[nova marsh]

Yeah the slayer nerfs honestly kind of hurt

[clear rain]

mythic raiders

do u guys know if BOp/boe drops after first boss/

?*

ive heard rumours it only drops after 4th boss

[dreamy spire]

Do i need to track some stacks on colossus or just press CDs when ready?

[rancid willow]

That's kinda on you for not maxing out the vault. You could've at least finished off the delves 😦

[nova marsh]

yes it is

[dreamy spire]

playing slayer i track the oportunist and executebuffs... but dont see anything like that at aolossus

[rancid willow]

Doing a bunch of simming now....too many options.

[nova marsh]

Because welcome to having to put all my playtime into like 2 days

[rancid willow]

Delves take 10 min

15 max.

I get it though

[nova marsh]

and I'd rather do keys with that time

[rancid willow]

Word

Well, I went with the Sacbrood...

Raidbots was telling me that the Sikran's Trinket was the best sim...but dont trust it. Plus, I can get Hero Legs & Shoulders this week in raid OR catalyst if im lucky.

The Sac never drops! 😉

[nova marsh]

no

Ara kara keys don't exist5

that's the actual problem lmao

[livid cloak]

🛌

[nova marsh]

Imagine doing like 50 keys through the whole season

still not seeing a single ara kara

IT'S ALL JUST SIEGE

And when I get into ara kara keys they just fall apart

And it's the last key I need for KSM lmao

[vital rune]

Skarmorak on a 10 hurts real bad

[deft bluff]

is nexus princess better for arms, or fury, or does it hardly matter

[nova marsh]

Arms has much better ST

So arms is probally better for Nexus.

[deft bluff]

thank you

[urban fossil]

Guys how much different is Arms to Fury in terms of Rotation prios etc? Ive been thinking for a while now to swtich in the Raid between Fury/Arms but never rly played arms

[dreamy spire]

Do you delay demolish for CS or CS for Demolish?

[dusty depot]

I've done like 10 and still nothing but got it the first time I ever did a mythic+ on my hunter alt

The dice game

[nova marsh]

It's kinda soul crushing at this point

[wanton sierra]

sob 10

[nova marsh]

Seems kinda low for an auggie

[livid cloak]

That's big prot pal dam though

[swift crown]

Is it

I thought PPal is supposed to do big dammer

[nova marsh]

Tanks not doing 1 mill have a skill issue

[vital rune]

Do you only get score when you miss timer if it was somewhat close?

[swift crown]

yes

[nova marsh]

So for slayer exe

since Oppertunist dosen't matter anymore, do we just hit OP sub 40 rage exclusively?

Just like DF?

[vapid bay]

Opp doesnt take prio anymore?

[nova marsh]

With the nerf it's not suppose to

From the disscussion abvove

[vapid bay]

Fuck it i just got used to it

[terse osprey]

So whats Colossus good on in pve?

[nova marsh]

mostlyu aoe

[terse osprey]

So dungs and delves maybe?

[nova marsh]

ye

Could probally run it raid for a very small loss now

[proud heath]

Should i send colossus smash off cd or wait for it to line up with other cds?

[nova marsh]

ALL cds on CD

[proud heath]

ty

[devout pewter]

is there a difference between everforged axe and charged claymore except for looks?

[teal fossil]

no

[devout pewter]

great. time to get crafting then finally i guess

[nova marsh]

Sigh

Depleting a key because I had to reply to a message REALLY sucks

[thick kelp]

did u really have to hmhm

[nova marsh]

I mean I wasn't pulling

They just pulled and I, like a fucking idiot, fell in a hole

Caused a wipe on first boss of ara

So probs not

Imagine pulling the last boss of ara kara

[echo monolith]

why are we not using SS before BS in the AoE opener? is this assuming that we dont have the "Unhinged" talent (MS during BS)?

[nova marsh]

With a healer without mana

[nova marsh]

Because MS unhinged do not sweep

So you are wasting SS

[echo monolith]

oh damn

gotcha, thanks

thats actually huge to know

[warm olive]

the saddest part is

[nova marsh]

yeah it used to

[ocean siren]

So is arms still going to beat fury in single target? This is confusing me

[nova marsh]

yes

[warm olive]

we dont use it even if we want to CS two targets

[nova marsh]

As per usual

[warm olive]

not worth

[ocean siren]

In slayer or colossus?

[warm olive]

slayer