#arms

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manic stirrup
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there are guilds that raid for breakfast

swift crown
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same

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That's almost as bad as having to call in raid

manic stirrup
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if your schedule is consistent, it would be impressive if no guild had your schedule

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if your schedule is inconsistent wcyd

nova marsh
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That's the thing

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It's not.

manic stirrup
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i just have my availability at work to where i can meet raid times

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but everything else is just a maybe

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i might work i might not

nova marsh
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That assumes your job respects it

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asks for satudays off. Evrey October during busy as fuck season oops ur working saturdays all month have fun!

manic stirrup
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well luckily for me its weekday nights

sacred zodiac
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king schmidi taking fate into his own hands

summer elbow
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DEMOLISH goes BRRRRRRRRRR

nova marsh
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Pugs are hilarious

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Notices shaman is in literal leveling greens for a +6

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Like explorer gear ungraded.

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Tells them they don't belong in a +6 after they get one shot on blightbone by the cone (no they didn't pop a defensive according to Omni CD at least)

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Get's told by the tank "WELL YOU DIED TOO WHAT'S UR EXCUSE" As if it wasn't a wipe already by then anyways

river holly
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Well they’re good. They are a shaman \s

nova marsh
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Like why do people just want to be carried lol

astral yarrow
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purps are cool

nova marsh
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I mean yeah true

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But are they really thou

astral yarrow
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like my enjoyment of alts is basically gearing them

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when they have no prospects of doing hard raid content

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it kinda dies for me

river holly
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Well a 6 is a stretch for someone in greens. A few random blues but multiple 550ilvl pieces is too much. I was tanking 3s and 4s on my warrior at ~570 though and was hanging okay.

nova marsh
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EVREY PIECE

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Their entire gear was fresh

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I means 3s and 4s are fine for someone at their level

river holly
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Oof. That sucks. They got in under the radar. Write you a Lisa script to loop through and check item level lol

nova marsh
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But going into a 6 and getting one shot and doing 50k in aoe (not exaggerating)...

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Like how am I suppose to not feel like I'm getting trolled

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also not my key

river holly
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Yeah, you might have been the byproduct of a paid run and were used as slave labor.

nova marsh
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I left that crap

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I'm not here to be a carry

river holly
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Seen that shit where people bring in others to carry a homie and then they get the payment. I’ve only seen it once and I was livid.

nova marsh
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I mean it dosen't even make sense at a 6

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why not just do a full mail stack -tank at a 10

proper light
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what's everyone running for a colossus setup?

nova marsh
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So

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ya know that charge cancel dark exile trick on the last boss of NW?

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I did that on accident LOL

tiny dock
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hey guys, first time as arms on hc queen, whats the best ways to break the roots in P1 other than bs

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fury was pretty easy as we always had something up, not too sure about arms though

runic tundra
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As in do damage to them or just escape?

tiny dock
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escape

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well, escape + dmg is always nice

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but mainly escape

runic tundra
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Charge a far enough person if you're playing slayer

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Otherwise all I can think of is Avatar or BS

tiny dock
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true, i could always just jump out and charge to break root

shadow ibex
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you can reflect it also

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BS should be up for every set

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and for the double just reflect second

tiny dock
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does it reflect the root itself? or just reduce dmg

shadow ibex
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or run out and charge in cuz slayer has free root break

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you wont get rooted

tiny dock
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nice ok

shadow ibex
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you can also reflect those blaster guys lines in intermission

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or p2 or w/e thats called

tiny dock
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i've always popped reflect but i've been fury so

runic tundra
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I prefer to keep my root to pad it gladge

tiny dock
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always had bs/OF/ava to break

runic tundra
tiny dock
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it's mainly just the last 2 roots

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which come one after the other

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i did think about bs and ava but I was wondering if there was anything else

runic tundra
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Reflect and charge would be it I guess

tiny dock
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dope, ty for the info

runic tundra
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Unless ur guild wants to external you or something

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Like freedom or something

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But I can hear the healer priest protests

slate grail
vital rune
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For my homies that have done 10+, what is your overall looking like?

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Finishing up a 10 Siege and my dmg felt so low for it

nova marsh
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Back to where I was during last season

vital rune
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I need this add lol

nova marsh
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I wouldn't have to do this if the game could just give me an ara kara key

hazy flower
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but between 800k-1,1m

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1,1m is rather extreme, usually it's like 950k-1m

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oh this isnt a prot channel

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lmao

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bed angle

regal wharf
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why are we not taking ignore pain?

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it seems pretty important

shadow ibex
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take it if you want

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the talents arent set i nstone

dire hinge
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it's proactive, meaning you only get value out of it if you remember to use it.
many folks run the Fueled by Violence bc it's one less thing to manage, even if Ignore Pain can prevent a death

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that, and it's a little weak for arms after it got nerfed. Still useful though, but only if you actually cast it

livid cloak
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950k dps as prot D:

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i usually finish on prot around 750k 😦

livid cloak
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for me

vital rune
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What ilvl are you at?

livid cloak
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had this in a mists 10 earlier

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622

vital rune
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I was around 1.05 before last boss 9m time ruined it LOL

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612 atm

livid cloak
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siege is a weird key b/c it doesn't seem like there are any big pulls

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it's always 3-6 targets

vital rune
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Mists 9 just now had me just under 1m as well

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Although the ret blowing everything up didn't help

manic stirrup
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1.4-1.6

sage badge
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Arms owns

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Yeah my mists overall is pretty standard, too ExcitedBlushette

livid cloak
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Strong deswind

nova marsh
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Finally got an ara kara key

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Fell apart immediately

livid cloak
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I don't see many people in 10 pugs doing over 1.6m without aug

sage badge
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It'll get better with gear. The gearing progression this expansion is slow, unless you mythic raid

livid cloak
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Yeah

sage badge
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Since it costs 90 gilded crests to craft, that's a lot of upgrades

nova marsh
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what are gilded lol

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Those don't exist

livid cloak
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Small pulls or grp wipes can drop overall fast too in my experience

sage badge
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My warrior is 609. Gonna spend this week gearing and try out colossus arms

livid cloak
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I think it's fun

nova marsh
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I'm 611

livid cloak
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You can take champion gear up to 619

sage badge
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Yeah I started my warrior last week. Just went prot and did my usual key progression to eventually get gear

vital rune
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Wait - bricking a key doesn't drop the level anymore?

nova marsh
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yes it doesa

livid cloak
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Being under 619 on a main is almost inting at this point

regal wharf
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LOL

livid cloak
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You can delve to 619

nova marsh
livid cloak
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But 611

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Yeesh

nova marsh
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Yeah it's absoutle garbage so much so I shouldn't even be able to do keys

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I might as well be a fresh 80 lmao

livid cloak
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There's just so many ways to get gear

nova marsh
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Tbh I'd be higher if I raided

livid cloak
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Not having it is just like almost going out of your way to not get it

nova marsh
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But work once again said fuck no lol

void geyser
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why doesn't unhinged work with sweeping strikes? would we be too powerful?

livid cloak
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It used to, not really sure why they changed it

void geyser
livid cloak
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Seemed silly

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Maybe ravager double dipping was too strong idk

dire hinge
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very silly, it's all speculative as to 'why'

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quickly resetting Demolish, etc

livid cloak
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It really smoothed things out

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Being able to use ss before rav or bs was nice

void geyser
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I'll admit, I just assumed it worked this way until I noticed my collateral damage stacks weren't too high

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then sadge

dire hinge
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yeah, was a semi-recent change

nova marsh
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guys is arms worth it

dire hinge
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are you having fun ¯_(ツ)_/¯

nova marsh
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When I can play the game? yes

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is that most of the time?....not really

dire hinge
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complaining about not getting into keys or what's the context there

nova marsh
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Honestly I feel like part of being low geared is just not raiding

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Raids are such a huge boon to flightstones and crests

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if I just had my weekends back to myself I could do it, but...well that's not happening till next year more then likelyu

livid cloak
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You can just pug into raids when you have time, that's what I do. After my kid goes to sleep I chill then hop in raid pf for a bit

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Delves and the world resonance things also give lots of valorstones

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And can be solod

nova marsh
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My luck with pugging in general has been beyond abysmal in keys, I don't think it'll improve in raid

vital rune
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Currently 4/8 heroic just through persistent pugging

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First 4 on heroic are ez cake

livid cloak
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They are

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Very simple

nova marsh
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Then again...Yeah arms is a bit better in raid then we are in keys

livid cloak
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Arms is fine in keys. It's biggest enemy is community perception atm

nova marsh
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So like most specs that aren't meta or don'at least bring mandatory utility

livid cloak
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I'm at 622 ilvl and 2550 io and I got kicked from 5 grps this weekend within 30s of being invited lol

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For 9s and 10s

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I assume because I wasn't fury

nova marsh
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tofc

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Because that's all anyone wants is fury

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so press n

livid cloak
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But it didn't bug me, just go next

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Or run my own

nova marsh
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my problem is the literally just won't give me the one key I need

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I have not seen a single ara kara key reroll

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The one I did was because of a lucky pug inv

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Like I honestly swear the reroll system is rigged in favor of Necrotic wake and espically siege of boralus

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I don't want to do 20 more keys in hopes and prayers I get the one I actually need for score.

wanton sierra
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not playin much this season.. im around 2300

nova marsh
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sigh I really wish I had more time

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having like 3 days I can even play for any amount of time to even do keys is pretty soul crushing ngl

wanton sierra
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its hard to find group and ppl wont invite you coz there is better class options

vital rune
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Do we only use SD execute with 3x MfE?

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Or just send it whenever it procs?

nova marsh
livid cloak
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People in 6s to 8s are pretty bad meta chasers tbh

nova marsh
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This

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So much fucking this

livid cloak
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Its always been that though

nova marsh
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Yeah I'm just in the gigatoxic area of keys

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I've accepted this honestly

livid cloak
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Mid level keys are full of the worst class re rollers and meta chasers

nova marsh
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It's what killed DF s2 for me

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because people metachased so fucking hard

wanton sierra
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i think ppl think bad about warriors coz there is tons of bad warriors

livid cloak
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You just run your own key and deal. Easiest way to maximize your play time if it's short

nova marsh
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Ara kara espically sucks because evreyone is signing up for it

nova marsh
livid cloak
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You just run it

nova marsh
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I've run my own key mostly and not seen a single ara kara.

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And I feel like I'm genuinely wasting my time to just run evrey other dungeon and pray to god I get one

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And then pray noone fucks it up

livid cloak
noble oxide
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Colossus > Slayer with the nerfs?

wanton sierra
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at least i managed to complete 10s to get big vault.. imagine, my myth options sucks xD

nova marsh
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I'd rather just try to see if anyone else's keys gets dumbstered

livid cloak
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If you have SD you have jugg

nova marsh
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Slayer still on top for ST

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In keys run either or

noble oxide
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for m+ i mean

nova marsh
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Referr to above statement

livid cloak
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Both are fine for keys

nova marsh
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Pick what you like

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Do you REALLY hate colossus's stack duration? Just play slayer

vital rune
noble oxide
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I mostly hate having another button to worry about

vital rune
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Thanks!

wanton sierra
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hey but i quite like the st improve from colossus, not the buff i mean thhe talents... runnin SD massacre blunt instruments, arterial bleed.. not great but passable

livid cloak
vital rune
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Need a little WA for mfe

livid cloak
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Bc of the bladestorm cd reduction and bonus damage and not wasting possible mfe stacks

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Just send SD and you're good

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Never have to worry about it

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For st raid

vital rune
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tyty

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Feel like I need to work on my execute phase play as well. Feel like I run out of rage often

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Which seems incorrect

nova marsh
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just hit OP more

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Did tacti proc? Hit OP

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BS also helps too

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But you aren't suppose to JUST spam execute

livid cloak
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You may also be overusing ms?

nova marsh
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This too

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MS only with 4pc at 2 stacks and 2x EP or to refresh rend

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Not the DF way

vital rune
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Yeah that part I've worked into it after getting 4pc

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Always hit OP with tacti as well

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Maybe I'm overthinking it as well lol

nova marsh
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In that case

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Just get a shaman friend

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Never have rage issues again

vital rune
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True that

manic stirrup
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that theres something else wrong almost certrainly

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certainly

nova marsh
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Could also be partly exceedingly bad RNG

vale cradle
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I just been executing 2x keeping op off 2 stacks and pressing ms on cd but im casual aotc raider

livid cloak
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Using ms on cd would be the only thing I could think of causing rage issues in st raid execute phase

vital rune
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Don't get me wrong, dps definitely goes way up in execute phase

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Just some fights feel like I'm rage starved is all

livid cloak
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In keys, yes

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In raid that seems off

vital rune
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Yeah that's more keys for sure

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I do keys way more often

livid cloak
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Oh ok

vital rune
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Raid it feels mostly good

livid cloak
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I misunderstood then

nova marsh
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In keys that's gonna happen tbh

vale cradle
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I run colossus without execute talents for keys

formal badge
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how do you guys keep track of sudden death and marked for execution procs to best prioritize when to use execute during the non-execute phse?

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also how do you guys keep track of rend

vale cradle
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I see button glow i press button and watch rend debuff

nova marsh
livid cloak
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Luxthos weakaura pack tracks rend on your current target and lights up when pandemic ready to refresh

nova marsh
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Also for marks just....use nameplates?

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vagrant dew
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hello friends, in the current arms iteration is cleave a gain on 2t? peepologs

dire hinge
vagrant dew
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ye on col, forgot to mention

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thats what i have been doing up until now but i wasnt sure it was still a thing

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👍

vale cradle
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I think sudden death do take prio over it but you preferrably wanna use it while ms still on cd

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nova marsh
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sigh

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I give up you win game

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For tonight

smoky kayak
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Arms isn't that bad about it, but Fury is a god damn christmas tree

dire hinge
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a lot of the youtube guides oversimplify things or are outdated 😅

smoky kayak
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Yeah, one of the reasons I never got into youtube; it's just too hard to keep everything updated, and although that gives you an excuse to upload more, it's also a lot more work

formal badge
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Thank you for the responses! I really appreciate them. Lots to learn about arms

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One more question I just thought of, when outside execute phase do y’all find yourself always capped on rage?

halcyon breach
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Yes, that's how Arms works atm basically

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Even in Execute this can happen

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Rage has been a pretty cosmetic resource since DF

formal badge
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Ty!

vale cradle
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Ya

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Make sure to spam ignore pain for free anger management

dire hinge
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ignore pain doesn't count towards anger management friend

dusty depot
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What's arms mythic+ damage like compared to slayer fury?

shadow ibex
vale cradle
dire hinge
# vale cradle Make sure to spam ignore pain for free anger management

this was removed in 10.2, almost a year ago
https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-patch-10-2-guardians-of-the-dream-official-patch-notes-335731

Developer's note: Ignore Pain’s interaction with Rage spent mechanics has caused its use to deviate from the intent as pre-emptive mitigation into an offensive rotational ability. We are removing Ignore Pain’s interaction with these mechanics [ie: Anger Management] to restore it to a purely defensive choice.

vale cradle
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Damn

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Been playin too much prot

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Ignore pain is still a pretty boss move that I’ve probably been under utilizing

vale cradle
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Ya you still got excess rage for it and your healers will like you more

inland drift
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Macro ignore pain with the shiekd bash, works wondet

long fable
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Okay one downside to arms. I feel like rend should last longer

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or get refreshed by somethin aside from execute phase

long fable
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Slayer looks more fun tbh

livid marten
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Hi! Sometimes I’m finding it very hard to play around transmitter trinket. Can anyone point me towards a guide of spreadsheet that explains the use and when and where to use it. I’m sitting on a lot of good hero track trinket, but sometimes feel like transmitter handicaps me more than it benefits the 14k str

minor gust
livid marten
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Thank you. But I’m looking more into info about when or where to use it, I already have the WA.

minor gust
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1:30 trinket use it everytime with avatar

magic canopy
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you need to manually use it before avatar

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get the buff then pop

boreal quartz
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Depends on comp / dungeon really

balmy kindle
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Fury ST is probably more non existent keks

unique warren
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This trinket must have some problem with me, every time I cast demolish it goes wtf

boreal quartz
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Arms also gets turbo rawdogged on rashnan specifically unless you spec for it

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The dungeon version

rare kite
balmy kindle
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Sorry I haven't seen one if that's the case sadge

boreal quartz
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Play it urself

balmy kindle
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Like everytime I have a pug fury lil bro is below tanks

boreal quartz
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You know fury aoe build doesnt give up close to any st for aoe

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That's their entire gimmick

balmy kindle
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Yes I am aware, just saying that if I don't want to play a spec that I don't enjoy

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Not gonna change all to haste mastery just to play fury

boreal quartz
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I am not telling you to go fury

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Just correcting the fury does no St part

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I wouldnt wish current fury on anyone

balmy kindle
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To me the number tuning is just very low, watching a fury player (biz??) playing 12-13 key and man is only bearly ahead while sweating

tepid star
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Hello i have a question about the arme collosus spec.
When you go for a aoe situation, do you prefer to keep the tide of battle buff that boost your overpower damage or do you prefer to use it with demolish insta?

balmy kindle
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Use demo asap with stacks when possible

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U wanna keep It on cooldown so you can build to the next one asap

tepid star
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The overpower bonus damage isnt interesting for the aoe cleave ?

boreal quartz
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One cast of demo in aoe is up to 30mil + for me

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OP does not to 30 mil extra with the buff

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(this bis ignoring damage taken increase mobs get from demo..)

tepid star
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Thanks for the infos 👍

tiny dock
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any good arms m+ vods I can checkout?

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or youtube vids

teal fossil
balmy kindle
boreal quartz
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They meant the colossus tree thing

steep osprey
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I was wondering if playing arms is better in GM

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Wanna try arms

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but idk if i should be playing colossus or slayer

balmy kindle
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Mb, like I use demo so much that I barely notice this lmao

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Outside of bosses

worldly kernel
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12s be HARD

atomic mountain
steep osprey
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is arms ST worse than fury's in M+ build?

magic canopy
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jugg build is okay, but arms still suffers from DO AOE or DO ST

steep osprey
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I wanna play arms in GB

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seems to me like the pulls kinda favor arms

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especially pug pulls

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idk, I could be wrong

steep osprey
magic canopy
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slayer is what ive been playing

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colossus does not look like fun i have not touched it

steep osprey
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ok

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what kind of comp do you want for gb

magic canopy
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legit doesnt matter

steep osprey
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doing gb 9

edgy solstice
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slayer will be dead in keys on reset anyway

magic canopy
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prob want 2 ranged at least behind healer + 1 since all melee will be scuffed

thick kelp
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arms is dead guys

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pack it up

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reroll fdk

balmy kindle
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Also does more damage in bigger pulls

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Brainless gameplay with rider + pest scythe

steep osprey
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UH is only better in high keys with specific pulls

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big enough

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in usual keys fdk is gonna be better

balmy kindle
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If I am exclusively playing m plus unholy is going to be my choice

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Also UH is pretty unlikely to get hit with nerfs while FDK is likely to be next on the chopping board

steep osprey
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Why wouldn't UH get hit with nerfs? you never know

edgy solstice
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same reason arms would get nerfed

balmy kindle
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My personal pov is that it's clunky to play and it's not popular, damage profile is under the radar too

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Like virulent plague is almost half of the make up keks

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Rankings wise it's mid as well

slow saddle
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what was the juggernaut spec for arms in keys?

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i think its colosus as well

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i was gonna give it a go

balmy kindle
slow saddle
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ok so not for col ?

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c

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collosus buffs arent until wednesday anyways r?

balmy kindle
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Probably not, slayer plays alot better with execute while Colo kind of makes you not wanna press execute

slow saddle
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throw up the other 1 i gotta do a mist 10, and all expect me to be fury so i HAVE to lame as arms 😄

edgy solstice
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jugg is slayer only

balmy kindle
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Your aoe damage will be kind of anemic though

slow saddle
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yea, but we are playing dreadnaught no ?

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also we still have cleave?

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i dont c where i lost to much aoe

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ahh blodborne

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jesus ye that one prob hurts

atomic mountain
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how much % dmg is the pot in a fight if you have 100% uptime with it?

balmy kindle
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Like really fat cleaves

slow saddle
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ok but colo isnt upgraded yet r?

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its wednesday?

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( ive been so much afk lately i cant keep up )

balmy kindle
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The buff is minor sir

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2%>3% per stack is not gonna move the meters much

thick kelp
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muh 0.9% ST buff

edgy solstice
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how is it not a buff in aoe btw

thorn pelican
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"This is without considering any potential action updates as a result of these changes."

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i would imagine this means they arent taking arterial in the sim currently?

edgy solstice
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ya i suppose so

teal fossil
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Stuff like arterial is entirely passive

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So you don’t need to change the apl

atomic mountain
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simple questin. slayer still better than colo?

untold pewter
sharp wyvern
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In ST yes

thick kelp
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Its also not that strong of a node, only giving an extra 1.8% in St

teal fossil
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That’s honestly not bad

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Considering soa is about 1.8% over dn

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And we never take dn

slow saddle
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?

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i just played a key with DN ?

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what is this

teal fossil
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A lot of people just take soa for prio

slow saddle
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ah i was thinkin m+

teal fossil
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Even in keys

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But yeah

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Dn very valid

thick kelp
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DN is barely a gain in 5T over SoA and 1v5 is like 6% ahead of art bleeding in 5T

teal fossil
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Makes sense

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Technically art is uncapped

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While cleave isn’t

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That’s cope though

thick kelp
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Yeah but giving up 25% of your cleave damage for any pull with 5+ targets

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for a lil bleeding

slow saddle
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hmm so tested

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juggernaut

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hard being carried by the affix u can keep stacks up on 😄

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any1 got a colo build

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for pure st

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( as much st as we can that is ) 😄

thick kelp
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Like for raid ST

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orr

slow saddle
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m+

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st

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like

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ngl its freeing being lower geared at 614 running my key ppl expect me to suck

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so i can lame 😛

edgy solstice
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pure st for keys would prob just be jugg

slow saddle
#

worst case my 10 breaks lowers

edgy solstice
#

but aint gonna be good

slow saddle
#

collosus

edgy solstice
#

ya i mean colo

thick kelp
#

For colossus

#

I would play this fore "more st"

wary bronze
#

I love demolish, but seeing it not crit at all on big packs for like 10 casts is just pure sadness. :<

empty sluice
#

Getting Parry on demolish is better deadge

fast plover
#

But then you crit on 1st boss in mists and suddenly it was all worth it

edgy solstice
#

doesn't actually happen

#

demo crits are a myth

slow saddle
astral talon
#

and you're still #1 on that boss

summer elbow
#

I should delay my demo till i get 10 stacks of the buff or use it at cd

fast plover
slow saddle
#

i dont c the value of battle lord

summer elbow
fast plover
#

Dont even need to think about them

summer elbow
#

So im messing it cause

#

I do like 3 or 4 uses at max stacks

#

Per m+

fast plover
#

Ye you're doing something very wrong then

summer elbow
#

Where i should read the build to understand it? Icy or wowhead? Thanks

fast plover
astral talon
#

i dont use insta

#

takes like 4 globals to get max stacks in m+

slow saddle
#

fuck

#

i got

#

bladestorm

#

by mistake

slow saddle
summer elbow
#

I really feel weird using ravage instead bs

#

But colossus seems feels funnier

#

Last night i did a 4m crit

thick kelp
#

that i posted

astral talon
#

In plenty of dungeons youre hitting 2-3 mobs

#

Thats when sks is huge

#

And on bosses

#

I dont rly like it myself

#

But i cant deny its good

#

I'd rather have it aoe detonate our bleed

fast plover
daring heron
#

sks button feels so bad but it's strong yep

summer elbow
#

Yo critcake im your fan

#

For mass aoe big pulls arms is ok or fury is better?

tacit crystal
#

both

fast plover
#

Crit is our lord and saviour

fast plover
slow saddle
#

e i treid some tec

fast plover
#

Hopefully they rethink current arms a bit after next patch

slow saddle
#

but u wouldnt run one against many ?

#

if u wanted a ST kindda build arms no ?=

slow saddle
astral talon
#

St is quite important in m+ especially this season

daring heron
#

feels like bosses last for days sometimes

#

on 12+ keys

fast plover
#

The increase from 11 to 12 is insane

slow saddle
#

what do we feel about something like this ?

#

or is loosing bonegrinder and battlelord fackin myself over?

frosty basin
#

How do you even play colossus without a shammy its just a pain then

#

if I dont have a shammy I just go slayer

slow saddle
#

yeye

#

im just asking if this is a decent stish build for demo

#

memeing with pugs so who cares 😛

#

i could also just play fury slayer for the next 2 days

royal escarp
summer elbow
#

Is this opener ok?

royal escarp
#

Under bl i got the 6M and finish on 4.5M

summer elbow
royal escarp
#

Charge thunderclap

#

Swipping strike

#

Skullspitter and colosus smach

#

Then ravger and cleav op cleav op

wary bronze
royal escarp
#

When you have at least 2 stack of demolish

#

You can uset it

summer elbow
royal escarp
#

Try to use demoolish under swipping strike

summer elbow
#

So after that demo i will always have 10 stacks right?

wary bronze
summer elbow
#

For the next one

royal escarp
#

Yeah

#

Just ravager uset before cleave

#

You setup than you cleave

summer elbow
#

But ravaer is not supposed to give a free sweepings strike?

royal escarp
#

Euh

#

I dont know

#

I think now but i dont know

boreal quartz
#

But you gain more demo stacks

#

Cuz ???

summer elbow
#

Avatar i mean

royal escarp
#

I am not a pro player i give you what i know

#

With this rotation i hit 3m without bl

summer elbow
royal escarp
#

No one use this

boreal quartz
#

Trash talent

#
  • it extends ss
#

So it's whatever

wary bronze
#

Hm, searching aroun in here gives me the answer that secondary stats aint that big of a deal for arms?
Have been checking secondary stats suggestions etc, have like 6 different rings I have been trying to SIM and so on, and all that just made me a bit confused.

Example, bloodmallet secondaries for 1 patchwerk, 40% crit 40% haste, 10% in the other 2 each as the "optimal" example.
I thought suggestions as that was like 40% OF the secondary stats as in like 15 000 in crit, 15 00 in haste, but when Simming, it keeps telling me to put on more haste, so in raw numbers im closer to 20 000 in haste, and like 12 000 in crit? like, should I aim for 40% critchance, and 40% pure haste on the character cheet if I follow that example?

EDIT: Sidenote, can I see raw secondary stats or secondary % on a raidbot-sim?

boreal quartz
#

Just sim

wary bronze
boreal quartz
#

Bloodmallet has weird gear profiles

#

Given it only using 1 trinket

wary bronze
# boreal quartz 40 40 10 10 is illusion

So the "top gear" that seems to differ slightly on all sites is kinda "meh"? that.. gonna make for a interesting dialoge on the raid-looting in my guild. exluding trinkets, since they are easier.

boreal quartz
#

Topgear is your current best

#

You dont have the sites gear

#

For trinkets take your best topgear output and then droptimizer

#

Then show your guild those items are your best/biggest gains

median scroll
tepid star
#

For MM + What's the best talents aoe for the moment guy ?
I like all spec on wowhead 🤣

normal dust
#

Arms maybe starts to catch up to fury in higher keys? Or fury all the way?

velvet latch
#

fury heal more

wanton sierra
#

hhey str in arms and dreadnought isnt muchh of a damage right ?

boreal quartz
wanton sierra
#

im thinkin on droppin it and grabbin SD

#

sd procs shall ccontribute to demolish stacs

boreal quartz
#

Ehh

#

Idk abt that

#

Try sim it ig

wanton sierra
#

i was noticing my overpower dam overall and isnt that much

#

im runnin an sob9 to try it out xD

thick kelp
#

Wouldnt drop it for SD as SD procs have very low prio in aoe

austere dune
#

Hey, been playing Prot so far this season and thinking of setting up Arms as off-spec. Doing mid lvl m+ mostly. How is Arms preforming for you guys in M+, is it strogest in cleave situations or?

tacit crystal
#

strongest in execute and 2 target cleave

#

does fine in m+

wanton sierra
#

idk about sd.. execute procs helps alot on st but i felt i lost some dam

#

we broke, we wiped on last boss

austere dune
white condor
#

Bro I hope we get buffed soon fury is so sleep

boreal quartz
#

Estimate

white condor
#

What is the best arms build rn been playing DK wanna come back to warr

wanton sierra
#

played like this, maybe blunt instruments

boreal quartz
#

Arms you can rotate builds a lot

#

Depends on key and preference

white condor
#

Warrior is my fav class DK is fun but yea

boreal quartz
wanton sierra
white condor
#

What is arms BIS wep

runic tundra
#

A crafted one?

steel sluice
#

any weapon you can get your hands on tbh

#

guide says this one though if you dont go for crafted

boreal quartz
#

Weapon is just raw ilvl

neon niche
sacred zodiac
#

why would stones matter

#

you're capped by crests

steel sluice
#

sanity

#

pug life be rough to get gilded

neon niche
sacred zodiac
#

i raidlog you muppet

neon niche
#

and u get capped by crests? tell me about it

sacred zodiac
#

yeah it actually goes pretty fast if you time keys

neon niche
#

nice raidlogging

sacred zodiac
#

oh my bad that i didnt use your exact definition of raidlogging

neon niche
#

theres more than one?

sacred zodiac
#

also even then by your logic if you literally only have time to log in for raid every week you'd still want to optimize for crests rather than stones

neon niche
#

who mentioned raid logging was you
and getting capped by 350 crests a week is a lot of content
as u can get 12 per key

boreal quartz
#

It's 90 per week

sacred zodiac
#

u get 90 extra a week

boreal quartz
#

90 relevant crests

sacred zodiac
#

unless you mean all the difficulties which is silly cause you shouldve capped hc last week

boreal quartz
#

Time 8 keys you have vault done crest done

sacred zodiac
#

either way to conclude the original point you should just craft wep anyways cause its just the best craft for early season and by the time you get your mythic wep you'll have enough sparks to craft whatever else you need

keen plaza
#

8a don’t give gilded 😦

tawdry elk
#

Just do delves and play alone critcake

keen plaza
#

7 for hero one end of dungeon
8 for vault 4/6 pulls
9 for gilded crests and hero 2 end of dungeon
10 for myth 1 vault

tawdry elk
#

Does anyone have a quick answer on the reason that Arms builds aren’t using Colossal Smash in M+?

#

Everyone seems to be using blunt instruments 🤔

thick kelp
#

I hope every warrior is using CS in m+

#

but if u meant warbreaker

#

Blunt brings more ST with a slight aoe loss

#

over the bigger st loss for slight more aoe with WB

warped ether
#

Also +3 Sec iftk

modest carbon
#

I think there's an argument for WB if colossus. Since Haste has less value than in Slayer. And Ravager also doesn't apply DW, so it becomes real annoying when you want DW up for the mastery, but you don't want to use Cleave as an opener due to Collateral stacks from a previous SS.

#

But if Slayer I'd always use BT

white condor
#

can anyone tell me what this is and how to remove

hazy flower
#

looks like details action tracker?

white condor
austere dune
#

So TC rend and normal rend does the same bleed dmg?

leaden oracle
#

same bleed because they both apply rend but rend the spell does more on hit which is technically better for ST

austere dune
#

Aah okay. Was hoping I could use same keybind 😛 not much diff tho I guess

leaden oracle
#

yeah not too much different if youre not about min maxing that hard you can just TC

livid cloak
#

Its hard to fit in during aoe and you hit op so much more. I think soa would be better and give more overall dam by quite a bit

#

But lmk how it felt

white condor
#

do yall prefer Bladestorm or Ravenger

wanton sierra
#

maybe droppin 1 bloodbouurne ? idk what to drop

#

i dropped srt in arms and i felt overpower hits nothing

sharp pawn
#

hey there iam trying colossus atm and having a blast useing it but i cant rly get a good guide or should i use wowhead for that ??

velvet latch
#

yes or the guide section of the discord

manic river
low mirage
white condor
#

So how much better is fury to arms rn

tiny dock
#

i have no idea how much better but fury setup is just easier imo

#

I've been giving arms a go in keys and it's harder for me to press all my buttons properly on big aoe pulls

#

compared to fury

boreal quartz
#

You get used to it

tiny dock
#

yeah i know, just need to do more keys

vocal gust
#

During a execute phase of a raid boss, how do yall maintain your rage? I know I shouldnt be executing below a certain threshold.

Do yall use an auto attack timer bar to track rage increases?

white condor
#

Well arms has been infinity better than Fury for a long time from what I heard ig it is fury time

boreal quartz
#

And that just maintains rage

#
  • have a shaman
tiny dock
#

there's just more buttons in arms too

vocal gust
#

Could you give me that order of operations without the shorthand haha. I think I know ms and guessing opp is overpower.

boreal quartz
#

Opp is the opprtunist buff

#

Buffed op is disgustingly high prio as long as u wont overcap

leaden oracle
#

EP is Exe Precision, LB is Lethal Blows the 4p buff

boreal quartz
#

Ms only with 2 execute debuff 2 tier

vocal gust
#

Ahhh ok I understand.

#

So instead of just straight spamming the exe i should still focus on getting some buffs like ep and lp before throwing it.

sacred zodiac
#

@boreal quartz you must vod review my execute and tally the mistakes i made

leaden oracle
#

i just use a MS glow WA for the EP/4p buff condition

vocal gust
#

Is that custom or would you happen to have a link?

vocal gust
leaden oracle
#

mine is custom, not at comp unfortunately but i bet you can find one on wago

#

maybe even search here feel like ive seen some linked

vocal gust
#

All good! I really appreciate the help yall.

summer elbow
#

does this looks correct?

wanton sierra
wanton sierra
summer elbow
#

i feel weak.. i want to use colossus but i don't know how to use it. i always miss using skullsplitter cause i never used it before as arms

normal marsh
#

What ilvl you chillin at?

pearl radish
#

How many keybinds do you need for this spec bro it's so many ;-;

summer elbow
wanton sierra
#

go for colossus, might feel clunky but you will get the rotation and setups

normal marsh
#

I think for most keys at about 10-11 I end up around 1.2-1.4m dps (augless) depending on pull size and speed etc

wanton sierra
#

i did 1 10 xD

vernal crypt
#

Man I've been enjoying colossus

wanton sierra
summer elbow
#

i feel colossus is way funnier but i hate not doing it properly

normal marsh
#

I’ve ended up tanning most of my 10s and above just to help guildies get crests etc on reset

#

Tanking *

summer elbow
#

also i often die by mechs casting demolish XD

tiny dock
#

what are the CDs we should always line up? like CS + BS, ava + BS

normal marsh
#

So my arms score has dipped big time v sad

tiny dock
#

I'm guessing skullsplitter and roar?

vernal crypt
#

Not fun getting a fat crit with huge modifiers and ripping aggro from my tank though deadge

normal marsh
wanton sierra
#

man, when you get like 12 colateral stacks, rav, wb and 2 stacks of op... you cleave 4m

tiny dock
#

how long should I hold BS for ava?

wanton sierra
#

insane fun pack to pack preparation

tiny dock
#

or is it a just send it whenever it's up kinda deal

#

in m+

vernal crypt
#

Isn't it like ~4s otherwise send?

tiny dock
#

wow only hold if ava is up within 4 seconds?

vernal crypt
#

I may be incredibly wrong, wowhead will give a better idea

#

Way smarter people in here peepostudy

tiny dock
#

thats even shorter than furys timing lol

wanton sierra
#

idk about slayer stuff, i feel you play without even thinkin about hero talents and you shall play it propperly

vernal crypt
#

I remember someone saying it's a very minor optimization, might as well just send

manic river
#

If it's just a few seconds away you can hold, but don't do it too long

#

CS and Ava together is the ideal buff

tiny dock
#

but holding ava for BS is okay right?

#

oh cs + ava

manic river
#

For what I know yes but just for a few seconds

#

CS and ava tend to align together, usually 2 CS for 1 ava

clear rain
#

do u guys take skull spliter as colossus in dungeons?

manic river
#

But you could have a situation where they don't align well

tiny dock
#

yeah I've found myself with cds out of alignment a couple times

#

but it's most likely just due to me not knowing arms too well atm and wanting to hold stuff for the next pack

manic river
#

If they don't align and are more than some seconds away is okay to send them I think

manic river
manic river
#

Some people are really not fond of it

tiny dock
#

I wanna try colossus but I dunno if I can manage another button 💀

manic river
#

But I feel it helps a lot generating extra rage and the extra bleed speed is nice

wanton sierra
#

its an nice prio target button, works nicely with TR

tiny dock
#

coming from fury arms feels bloated

manic river
manic river
#

I don't play fury

tiny dock
# manic river Is it?

yeah fury is really just reck + ava + roar + BS + rampage + CB/RB + BB/BT + WW/Slam

#

and reck ava roar can be macrod

#

since they always align at 1.5 min

wanton sierra
#

i heard fury is gettin huge single target buff

tiny dock
#

unless you go uproar i think

manic river
manic river
#

Triying to compensate for the nerfs

wanton sierra
#

yea, aoe potential super op.. nerfed to the ground xD

manic river
#

TBF at this expansion start the burst of fury salyer was pretty insane

#

Was just a matter of time it was changed

#

Athough... meanwhile here we have retri palas...

#

Everytime the pop the cds their bar just skyrockets

wanton sierra
#

fury st was very bad... the buff is wellcomed

latent moss
#

they dont even come close to fury burst

latent moss
#

no one comes close to fury burst

manic river
#

Fury burst until know was legit busted

latent moss
#

still is

tiny dock
#

yeah fury burst is crazy but equaled out by garbage sustain

manic river
#

I see

#

Yeah arms on the other hand has always kinda been the sustained guy, playing more on the long run

#

But with all the hero shit IDK

#

Things are getting moved around

wanton sierra
#

its nice to notice our main dam is our execute phase xD so on bosses im behind and i catch up with team

gaunt owl
#

its all about timing

#

if your timer match nicely

#

your value skyrocket

#

thats why Fury has a really good tier

#

but without it

#

Fury would be garbo

gaunt owl
#

its not the absurd 40% from DF anymore

wanton sierra
#

yes, they say we are the best execute class

gaunt owl
#

probably not anymore

manic river
wanton sierra
#

im about to run sob 9 and i shall send the resulkts

gaunt owl
#

i had some big fun as Colossus yesterday

manic river
gaunt owl
#

grab a shaman

#

easier

balmy swallow
#

dumb question but does shattering work on the emissary?

wanton sierra
#

damn ppl wiped on first boss and quitted

zenith crystal
wanton sierra
#

trying this one... i dropped 1 bb for sd

empty sluice
#

yo, is there a option for bigwigs to turn Off the nameplate spell cooldowns? got wa for it but there is no option for that afaik

fresh spire
#

Likely in little wigs

gaunt owl
#

wtf is that new feature

#

i didnt knew

livid cloak
#

When i run my own key as arms

#

I always bring a shaman

#

My friend asked what to main for season 1, I told him ele shaman

fresh spire
#

Chad behavior

#

Enhance good choice plus buff too

livid cloak
#

Yeah he likes it and is having fun with it

#

And I get skyfury when he's on

manic river
#

I'm going to lvl up a resto shaman to learn healer

#

Already have an enha

livid cloak
# wanton sierra

If you go back into 10s. I'd recommend the cleave talent but arterial bleed with no fort is solid

#

For me it's like a 20k diff single target to have arterial bleed

#

I thought it would be higher

thick kelp
#

hm only if I had posted the number diff multiple times to gere

gaunt owl
#

its huge diff

wild kernel
#

Is stacking/maintaining jugg #1 prio for slarms in raid?

manic river
#

I'ts a big prio although I wouldn't call it number 1 I think

#

But the thing is to plan around your timing depending on how much time you have on the SD or jugger timer

#

If posible wait for 2 stacks of sd or until the timers are going to run out to send it

ebon garden
#

Guys

#

we are all in 612 ilevel

#

necrotic +7

#

did i feel okay for warrior ? (juggernauth build)

#

pâladin are broken ?

zealous rampart
#

I just wish people did 1m+ dps on my keys 💀

echo bridge
#

Sweeping Strikes is meant to work on Unhinged Mortal Strike procs during Bladestorm right?

thick kelp
#

no

wanton sierra
#

mists 9

echo bridge
# thick kelp no

So we need to avoid overlaping Sweeping Strikes and Bladestorm then?

wanton sierra
#

big portion of cleave dam is due collateral damage stacks, try always to reach AT LEAST 10 stacks... if you SS and bladestorm, you shall lose a bunch os stacks

wanton sierra
#

no i played the build i just posted

wanton sierra
ebon garden
primal urchin
#

you have to into your addons folder and manually delete the file from the plugins folder

wanton sierra
#

ouur dots is huge dam, we cant drop bb for nothing

thick kelp
#

Fellas, try this

primal urchin
#

and then you have to do this again every single time you update BW

wanton sierra
#

and sks works with... idk im testing things around... this week i felt my single suck ass

#

tryin to move things around to get some single target

thick kelp
#

ths build you have sks + massa + Blord for ST, if you want more you can go SoA > DN. hence why playing 1v5 > Art Bleeding

echo bridge
wanton sierra
#

walhe, i think dn is kinda bad... str in arms feels more powerfull

#

overpower is not big dam this exp... op used to be our main dam soure (overpower +DN) now its very wack (on my results, mists 8 overpower did 6%)

gaunt owl
#

just did some quick talent check

#

not sure what build @thick kelp showed last time

#

i have so little free time

wanton sierra
#

i feel you ppaww!! xD all my friends are 2500 score with 60 m+ done

#

im around 20

olive nest
gaunt owl
#

i've been lucky enough to play with big gamers

wanton sierra
#

tank was big, insane omega boss pull

gaunt owl
#

and i got absolutly smashed on the meters

#

gonna blame my age for that !

manic river
wanton sierra
#

hehe and the cicle goes on and on... old warrior soul todu

wanton sierra
gaunt owl
#

i used Dslice before wich is pretty fair for talent compare for mplussings

manic river
#

Not bad, still on the million

wanton sierra
#

idk about blunt instruments

#

ok is great on ST, but wb makes demo and fully stacked cleave slaps... like 6m aoe

gaunt owl
#

yeah should probably go full AOE for Colossus anyway

jade cargo
#

@wanton sierra manki - push more - buy the time i lvl to 60 my barb - i want u in top 20

wanton sierra
#

im way to old to reach such spots xD

jade cargo
#

old means nothing - am the only1 old here - my old warrior soul

gaunt owl
#

we are too old to spend 8 hours a day grinding keys

wanton sierra
#

i play 2 keys and i feel tired as fuck xD need some sofá and grab an smoke

gaunt owl
#

i ran 6 yesterday in a row

#

i know its too much when i start dying for no good reason

wanton sierra
#

i feel that is easier to play an 10s with friends than 6-7s on pug

#

ill try another dg, i shall post the results

livid cloak
#

I like how arms has so many different available iterations it can play rn

wanton sierra
#

ill try ppaww build

livid cloak
#

If you do or don't want sks, if you want bleed or cleave prio, BI or WB

#

Col or sla

#

Lots of variations

gaunt owl
#

in DF we had plenty of different build too

uneven yacht
#

i'm not playing perfectly obviously, but just on 5t dummies does arms do very little damage or do i just absolutely suck

#

using the m+ build on wowhead

livid cloak
#

How much damage are you doing?

#

Sustaining 2 mil? What's your ilvl?

wanton sierra
#

arms gameplay is all about stacking and allign window burst and percentages

livid cloak
#

When you can get a warbreaker collateral cleave while ravager is going

wanton sierra
#

yes and two staccks of overpower... cleavin around 6M aoe

#

i got agro issues with pally prot

#

the other tanks is fine

#

joined NW9! lets roll

olive nest
#

Demolish AND skullsplitter

#

Krog you’re killin me bro

uneven yacht
#

which i feel is horrible

#

1.7 on the higher end

manic river
#

1.7 million?

#

That doesn't seem bad

#

and your are not even at 610

livid cloak
#

1.7 at 606 seems fine yeah

gaunt owl
#

dont worry about it and gear up

manic stirrup
gaunt owl
#

feels like its heavy griefing 😄

uneven yacht
#

my ret is similar and a good amount higher, then fury was just a lot better with same gear

livid cloak
#

How long of a sample? Fury falls off hard after their 90s cds

manic river
#

That's your answer

#

Fury burst has been really busted too, with the nerf it will go a bit down but maybe it will still be nice

#

The thing is you are used to specs that are just tuned pretty high

gaunt owl
#

you should see FDK

#

they are turbo blaster

wraith cave
#

thane buffs are coming tom right

teal fossil
#

Some are coming tomorrow some are coming later

wanton sierra
#

damn ppl dont know how to do 3rd boss ): we called it

daring heron
#

has this happened to anyone

#

or can anyone explain what happened to my exe

ebon garden
#

i already got those totally vanish spell/ hit not only on warrior, can't explain it, and never slowmotionned it, but i really got those , something wrong happened

empty sluice
errant citrus
thick kelp
toxic socket
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It happens to me quite often where I would execute, it would take my global but not do anything

daring heron
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i can't see a parry on log

toxic socket
daring heron
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yeah okay

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no parry registered either

gaunt owl
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13 casts 11 hits

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GG

charred brook
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Go to durotar and hit boars until you max it

daring heron
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got it

errant citrus
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Is there such a thing as "you casted it, but then you turned like 91 degree's" so by the time the cast queue went off, you were facing away from him too much?

manic stirrup
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yeah i noticed that happen to me once or twice but just assumed it was parry

charred brook
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I always assume it’s something like deez said

manic stirrup
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glad to know its not parry to be mad at this time, the ability can just fizzle

charred brook
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Running out of melee range in the last second

daring heron
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it happened again previous pull, this time it ate my SD proc, but not my marks

charred brook
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Like just ever so slightly

daring heron
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so i just sat on 3 marks unable to execute them

manic stirrup
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when i notice it

charred brook
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Okay that’s weird then

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If it’s eating the proc

daring heron
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definitely did not run out of melee

charred brook
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I’m not even sure what could even cause that interaction but if we have entire abilities thinking they went off and consuming proxs but not dealing damage

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That’s insane

manic stirrup
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it doesnt consume marks in my experience

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bc it doesnt hit

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it just fizzles but is “casted” so eats sd

charred brook
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Yeah consuming the SD on cast is strange

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That shouldn’t interact like that

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Has it done that before this tier?

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I don’t recall it doing that

manic stirrup
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i dont know but if it has, its infinitely more obvious with marks

vital rune
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10 Arakara down peepostudy

tacit merlin
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Mmmhh

warped spade
gaunt owl
autumn bane
warped spade
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I just thought it was the condemn animation bug at it again and didn't pay more attention

gaunt owl
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or maybe just server issue

fresh spire
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parry

worldly kernel
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Group is starting to attempt 12’s the damage difference from 11 to 12 is pretty wild

fresh spire
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best game mechanic

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bring back resist

charred brook
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Yeah even at .5 speed the animation is there, the cast is there, the SD is consumed and literally nothing happens

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That’s insane

gaunt owl
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SD stack actually go up to 2

charred brook
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That’s after the ms though right

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Like right before you see 1 stack get consumed

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Wait no I changed quality and you’re right

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It goes to 2

gaunt owl
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it goes up to 2 at the exact same time he can push MS actually

charred brook
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Yeah

gaunt owl
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ship it to blizzard HQ right now !

charred brook
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This just has to be a coding thing. Unless I’m missing something, he’s inside the boss, cast goes off, no parry no block, no mechanics going on that would affect it

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Now I have an excuse to send to my raid next time my dps is slow, thanks crit!

worldly kernel
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I honestly feel like I’m trolling not running with a shaman in keys, there’s times where I feel like I’m just rage starved

astral yarrow
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as colossus you will regardless

wanton sierra