arms

[slender sonnet]

:xD:

[loud fulcrum]

:xD:

[inland cypress]

Sorry if I missed it but which dark moon trinket for Arms?

[slow saddle]

None?

Do m+

[inland cypress]

I’m just trying to gear up right now not there yet

[slow saddle]

Prob ascendance

But tbh run delves m0s

Prob fasta

[inland cypress]

Perfect thanks

[boreal quartz]

i love juggernaut slayer in keys raaahhhh

[latent moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/943906056483004547/943917451727474739/caption.gif

[shadow ibex]

Can't wait to get nerfed Tuesday cuz lazy devs

[slow saddle]

I mean lets be honest.

Slayer needs to be 2nd choice

Keep buffin collo

[shadow ibex]

Too bad colossus is only fun in aoe

Most boring ST spec in the galaxy

[cyan oriole]

the sims are scuffed for colossus how much crit does it want me to have. im at 31% crit with all my other stats low af and it wants me to have more crit. more and more always more

takes 10 years to cast demolish

[shadow ibex]

I wouldn't spend 5 seconds thinking about some perceived hero spec specific stat want

[manic river]

I have a lot of friends complaining about healers yeah

[manic river]

Not like slayer is much fun either, sadly we don't have a riveting st rotation

[flat willow]

Why the Fuck would I want Colossus to be first its designed like crap

[manic river]

Press F to

[regal birch]

are gem sims f d up? when i look into logs they got random gems but when i sim it its always just one colour doesnt blasphemite work on raidbots right now? sorry if its pined anywhere

[tacit crystal]

[icy mulch]

Ooof, what happened with Throngus and Drahga? 10 and 15 mins between em going down.

[boreal quartz]

just the usual trolling in a 10

[icy mulch]

Was it mutually agreed upon? If so, carry on. Lol

[boreal quartz]

yes

this is done with guildies

[astral talon]

which of those are we crafting?

and with what embelish

if i have weapon?

[latent moss]

send the real one

2:46

[tacit crystal]

check #dps-faq

[wheat lagoon]

11 stone vault colossus build

It’s viable in keys and both hero talents can be run

Slayer jug is ahead in ST like 150-200k

From my experience but I’ve been restating off of fury warrior so my crit kinda low

[river ridge]

Careful doing that much damage in a key

Blizzard might nerf Fury again

[wheat lagoon]

Lmao, if they nerf fury, they indirectly nerf slayer arms

Blizz sucks

[unreal ivy]

[fresh spire]

[nova marsh]

Yeah

They're gonna nerf slarms again

Because they hate us

[boreal glade]

What emblisment do we run?

[astral talon]

ok this in dawbreaker 10

feels satisfying ngl

[wraith cave]

so basically craft boots

[tacit crystal]

already did

[vapid bay]

Colossus?

[cyan urchin]

Did you use the usual m+ colosus build as seen on wowhead ?

[rancid willow]

I’m praying that arms can hang in raids after Tuesday! I like fury, but my heart has been with arms for damn near 20 yrs

[wheat lagoon]

let me grab a snap shot of my build

[nova marsh]

my guy

arms has been viable this entire time

It's been fine

Just play arms, reject the padding

[manic stirrup]

play this

[astral talon]

yes

[wheat lagoon]

same build as the wowhead, i swapped blunt instruments

[astral talon]

i find more success with this

feels like i have much higher boss dmg

comapred to exe talents

[manic stirrup]

sim it

if you want to be sure

[astral talon]

i mean

[manic stirrup]

no point in just guessing

[astral talon]

i just did keys with both

this feels better, numbers are higher

that's for sure

and im not reliant on exe phase to have significant dmg boosts

smoother rotation

very subjective, but i like this more

much more

now i wonder if we'll play the bleed ones after buffs

those

[manic stirrup]

you should’ve been playing this already

[astral talon]

25% more cleave dmg in aoe is big

but bleeds are also big

xD

[shadow ibex]

mbg without 1v5 i dont enjoy

[manic stirrup]

small aoe loss for a decent amount of st

[unreal mountain]

anyone allready play the bleed build on collusus and trioed out?

[wheat lagoon]

I think I'll try strength of arms in my keys

I feel i have enough AOE

[astral talon]

rn im torn

[manic stirrup]

yes its good

[manic stirrup]

dreadnaught is beans

[astral talon]

but after buffs ill 100% play the bleed one

[manic stirrup]

play strength of arms

i mean u were just tlaking about st damage

[astral talon]

ye but in regards to entire dung

i still play more cleave dmg, for now

[unreal mountain]

dreadnaught deals literally 0 damage, i take strengt of arms allwayys

[manic stirrup]

you lose a small amount of aoe i think its worth

[thick kelp]

or what if guys

you played the Jugg slayer build

:O

[astral talon]

also, not sure if i should just add gems and enchants with mastery

[wheat lagoon]

nah

[astral talon]

minimal raid dmg loss i guess

tho not much

much better dung dmg

[unreal mountain]

if you play strenght of arms with the bleed build and "tide of battle" talent , You do insane OP damage

[shadow ibex]

slayer for baby

[thick kelp]

Slayer for deeps

[shadow ibex]

mash cleave

[unreal mountain]

even know Aterial Bleed has higher use in Higher Keys without buff

[manic stirrup]

yes

[unreal mountain]

specially with Skullsplitter

[manic stirrup]

more st a bit less aoe

[unreal mountain]

yes

also, people forget, that oure Bleeds do more AOE damage

even if Cleave is a bit more

[shadow ibex]

does jugg aoe really take DN?

🤢

[thick kelp]

I dont take

here is art bleed vs 1v5 btw

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9LC7wDdCf5m9JFWEpNsJhR

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9YeXF9GtzhHvYvVaQj8Lra

1.8% for -4.6%

[unreal mountain]

i tested "Dreadnaught" with "strenght of Arms" in aoe and Single Target with the Arterial of bleed build and Strenght of arms is waaaaay better

dreadnaught did only 2% in my last key overall lol

[thick kelp]

Dreadnaught also requires you to pay attention to your position

!

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

i play colossus for that

[unreal mountain]

exactly

[shadow ibex]

whats the jugg aoe even

just cleave

and sweep exe?

[thick kelp]

Yerp

Here is my page

Only one im swapping betwee is SD and BB

[unreal mountain]

i would allways pick EP over Battlelord IMO but its an personal Preference

[astral talon]

Some keys you dont rly get a lot out of it

Dawnbreaker, grim batol 3rd boss

[boreal quartz]

i like blord for rage gain

[astral talon]

REAL

Collosus feels smooth with it

[boreal quartz]

i dropped all bb for blord

kept ep and mass

feels neat

esp when no shaman

[tacit crystal]

wtf is ep

[misty bridge]

Executioner Precision

[astral talon]

I feel like I went full consistent dmg

[river lichen]

are arms warrior any good in raid or are they best for raiding ?

[tacit crystal]

you asked the same question twice

[river lichen]

i forgot

[tacit crystal]

try again

[river lichen]

sorry

[astral talon]

Yes and yes

[boreal quartz]

only for pure st

fury still wins on pad bosses

[river lichen]

what would be better for fresh dinged 80 arms or fury ?

[boreal quartz]

arms need 1 weapon less

costs less flightstones

[river lichen]

are not arms rotation harder any slower ?

[astral talon]

Its all looking at some stacks, buffs, and priority

Fury is just priority

Fury is higher apm

[river lichen]

apm mean easyer ?

[manic stirrup]

diminishing returns on 1v5 in bigger pulls

[manic stirrup]

barely

[long fable]

Bleh my keybinds are gross I hate using the 7 key

[boreal quartz]

Fix ur binds?

[long fable]

stupid skullsplitter throwing everything off

[manic stirrup]

why do u use 7

im 6’5 with bigass hands and the furthest keys i push are 6 y and h

[long fable]

Im working on adjusting it. Im fine with 1-6. 7 is rough

[boreal quartz]

Use qertzyxcfgv

Or shift

[sacred zodiac]

this is a really bad keybind

[long fable]

I have a shift macro for rend/tclap i have bound to R but I just forget to hit rend because of that lol

[sacred zodiac]

how do you press 11 buttons at once

[long fable]

heck I dont even think my keyboard could process 11 key inputs at once

[sacred zodiac]

it probably can but this was a joke i hope that was clear

[long fable]

Yeah i get about 8 inputs out of mine at the same time

[astral talon]

Faster button mashing

[river lichen]

what would you recomend for a new warrior for both raid and m+ arms or fury

[astral talon]

Nah bro no way im using qe

[astral talon]

Fury easier to learn

Eventually you should learn both

[manic stirrup]

whatever you like

[astral talon]

As both are fun and offer different playstyles

[boreal quartz]

Like my opener is 1 5 G T X V 3 Q if i had all that on numbers id vomit

Violently throw up even

[astral talon]

Nah opener is F, shift T, x, shift z, shift R, C, 6, 2, 5

[long fable]

oh its like engraved into my brain because ive been playing since 2004 1-6 numpad 1-3 with numpad enter as my interrupt

[boreal quartz]

Fix ur binds

It's better long term

[astral talon]

You fix yours

[river lichen]

What would my opener be

[boreal quartz]

You cant do big fuck dam if you cant press ur spells

[long fable]

toss in f g e r for aoe stuff/victory rush

[quartz canopy]

ask in fury channel if you plan on starting with that

[nova marsh]

Did blizzard patch the master machinists cheese yet?

[river lichen]

sorry

[boreal quartz]

No worries

If ur very new to War id recommend watching or reading a guide and taking it from there

[astral talon]

I used to get my knowledge from Corejo when I started

[long fable]

Fury is tempting but theres something super satisfying about mortal strike

[astral talon]

I miss corejo everi time

[long fable]

also overpowers interaction with cleave feels just.. .right

[boreal quartz]

Ping her then

[shadow ibex]

good demo crit breakdown

put demo on sharpened blades fuckin dumb

[astral talon]

I miss the guides man

Old guides from trial or valor

😦

[long fable]

I will say this. I hate sharpened blades though. Its kind of like slice and dice. An unnecessary buff upkeep keybind

[astral talon]

Watched the guide, spent 3h on dummy

[boreal quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/764349941270315031/1292476662503440519/FA093642-28D8-4052-8490-6703AD0FDB18.png?ex=6703e031&is=67028eb1&hm=7a9d640ba5d0d6268458cae9fa591721ead91ae4d75dc5df5727794cad7f057d&

[astral talon]

Top dps next raid

[vestal crag]

Brothers i am 616 juicer, whose dick to I have to suck to get invited to a M+ tell me

[astral talon]

Mists?

[boreal quartz]

Sb is not a keybind?

[manic stirrup]

aint noone play pvp here

[shadow ibex]

[long fable]

Ah okay I thought you meant the pvp thing lol

[manic stirrup]

pretty much exclusively pve channel

ill keep it a buck when im pvping as arms i just macro that shit with ms

im too lazy to think about it

[shadow ibex]

its not optimal but

yea you can

[long fable]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-gif-18835091

[astral talon]

I do

[long fable]

The closest thing to pvp I do is AV tbh

but thats a pure nostalgia thing. I miss fishing in Av

Oh yay unlocked skullsplitter lets see how this fits in my rotation. I assume after rend/opx2/ms for optimal dottage

[manic stirrup]

don’t need 2 op then ms

on opener rend roar cs+avatar bladestorm

sks after bladestorm

lines up perfectly with roar every time

[long fable]

ooo

[astral talon]

Whenever you have both rend and ms up

[long fable]

Gonna need a proper weakaura to track my dots

[clear rain]

Do i keep rend up on execute phase?

because its njot mentioned in rotation

[gaunt owl]

Bloodletting will do that for you

[clear rain]

i see

[clear rain]

how is bladestorm prio

it feels like this spell does 0 damasge as arms

im new to arms btw xd

[teal fossil]

Because of your hero talent

[gaunt owl]

Unhinged pack a lot of power

its clearly not Fury lvl of Bladestorm

but its still good

Fury is just faster and stronger bladestorm

[thick kelp]

Delete bladestorm

[nova marsh]

BS is fine

When it actually works

And isn't a buff vechile

[hollow kelp]

Hi, i don’t why but my weak aura for my bladestorm cd doesn’t work anymore. My WA show my cd is up but no
Is it about the weekly affix ?

[tepid citrus]

Col Arms feeling pretty good even in a group of two Rets out gearing me 😂😂

[nova marsh]

no what?

[quartz canopy]

I have indeed noticed that my wa shows my bladestorm is up when it's not

[thick kelp]

wtf am I looking at

[quartz canopy]

sometimes

[nova marsh]

A UI

Not sure if it's good

[hollow kelp]

Sometimes my weak aura show is up but no

I have something like 4 sec cd

[tepid citrus]

Woah. You don’t like my UI? Haha

[thick kelp]

very hard to read imo

[tepid citrus]

The video uploaded with a weird fade.

[tepid citrus]

What’s hard to read? My keys haven’t changed in 10 years so I don’t need them very big

[fleet estuary]

Hello, I'm trying out the arms spec, when I've got no cooldowns up should I be spamming slam or rend?

[tepid citrus]

I just wanted to show off my 15 mil demolish aggro rip 😭

[nova marsh]

Slam is better

But it shouldn't come up too often

[fleet estuary]

Thanks, is it bad to use mortal strike without 2 stacks of martial prowess or should i just use it on cd?

[tepid citrus]

Anyone else like SoA better in higher keys?

[tepid citrus]

I like to see big numbers. So if I’m not going to rage cap I’ll hold

But it’s probably not the best way

[shadow ibex]

is server dying

lag is fuckin awful

[nova marsh]

CD

We do not care about Martial prowess as a buff.

The only reason you will ever cast OP over MS is if oppertunist procs

[gaunt owl]

and tier set buff

[fleet estuary]

Oh ty, in the 5 second cd for mortal strike should you be casting cleave (even if its a single target) or overpower

[nova marsh]

OP

Do not cast cleave in ST

unless u have a colortal buff from a previous pack that's signifcant, then cast it over slam

[thick kelp]

well actually cleave is a better filler than slam if it doesnt consume your MP stacks

[nova marsh]

I guess?

But that's....kind of niche tbh

how often do you not have MP stacks and need to cast slam.

[thick kelp]

Not very niche since every m+ build runs cleave

[nova marsh]

Well yes

[thick kelp]

and it happens quite often

[nova marsh]

🤷

Fair, but like how much

[tepid citrus]

Quite often

[nova marsh]

How much better

As in

What's the increase over slam? Is it significant?

[clear rain]

COLOSSUS OR SLAYER for dungeon boys?

[nova marsh]

Colossus if you want aoe, Slayer for a better damage profile and ST

both are fine for keys

[clear rain]

What do u recommend for high keys

prolly slayer ?

bosses might be a problem

[nova marsh]

Depends on your taste

Colossus also has more utility and survability

Free and better second wind is great and you can have a 20 second shockwave that's also a knock up.

Slayer is JUST raw damage.

[gaunt owl]

the shockwave knockup is so good

[nova marsh]

Honestly

if they fucking buff the duration of colossus stacks I'd play it

But in a dungeon like mists it fucks you so hard

I'd probally play it just for 20 sec shock and the knock. It's awesome

[tepid citrus]

I still run Col in 10+. I do switch to Strength of Arms though for Tyran

[nova marsh]

actually

[tepid citrus]

I think the top IOs all run COL too. Haven’t really looked in a while

[nova marsh]

I'mma try SoA on slayer next key

[tepid citrus]

It’s good

I love it

On Slayer too

[nova marsh]

Dreaddie just kinda mid

I mean on slayer that's bound to slap

Proc tacti

it crits

[tepid citrus]

It feels really mid

[nova marsh]

destroy evreythingh

[tepid citrus]

Yep

[nova marsh]

...holy crap it has like

40% crit damage then

[nova marsh]

nope it's 50

CRACKED

I mean it's about to 40 on tuseday but still

[tepid citrus]

Really helps with pro

[nova marsh]

The farm to 1k declines continues!

[tepid citrus]

What weak aura is that? lol

[nova marsh]

It's an addon called declined

[tepid citrus]

lol

[nova marsh]

The weak aura version is worse cuz it dosen't remeber your declines across log outs

[tepid citrus]

Need that for my depression

They need one that shows the decline rate of the people applying to your keys too 😂😂😂

Give a guy a shot

[nova marsh]

I'm gonna sit here

and get 100 declines in one day lmao

[gaunt owl]

if you dont apply

you cant get denied

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[nova marsh]

if I was a caster

I wouldn't get declined

[tepid citrus]

I like to sit in Que with a 10 mists and just watch people apply. Never accept anyone. Like burning ants

[nova marsh]

b ro wtf

[tepid citrus]

😂

[nova marsh]

least you have a fucking 10

Can't even get past 7 because pugs are trash

I stg I need to get carried by 4 3k gamers

[arctic hearth]

as slayer in keys or what are u guys running?

[nova marsh]

I prefer CS but basically that

Prefer to lean fully into a boss melter

Most groups will have aoe bases covered

[arctic hearth]

cs?

[nova marsh]

Colossus smash over Warbreaker

[arctic hearth]

oh ofc -.-

im dumb :p

yeah ill try that

[tepid citrus]

That but CS

[arctic hearth]

tried this

someone linked me, but it felt soo bad

worse aoe than colo and no st so idk

[lean remnant]

Anyone got a tracker for the OP buff and EP in one WA?

[boreal quartz]

you wanna play bi and just go full st imo

slayers main thing is doing st/prio dam

so why try to aoe more on it idk

[arctic hearth]

treying it now

jugg basicly

mist 9 tho

[boreal quartz]

ye mists i go colo

ngl

nearly ++ an 11 earlier as it

[nova marsh]

Man dawnbreaker is rough

But I got it timed!

[shadow ibex]

embrace it 100%

[sacred zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/781981140009091075/1292567177257422868/image.png?ex=6704347d&is=6702e2fd&hm=0d5828c3c7842074ee2250380e073f9e8463b1de6f1e04be8f8939df5f4d2e5f&

fucked up log to kill kyveza with

[boreal quartz]

didnt proc tier

[sacred zodiac]

[shadow ibex]

earlier in nm i went full duration of LB

buff decayed

[hazy flower]

We started kyveza today

[shadow ibex]

before 2nd proc

[boreal quartz]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-tww-1/5898054-11-mists-of-tirna-scithe

[hazy flower]

Back to arms

After fury prison

[boreal quartz]

tier does run out every now and then ye

[shadow ibex]

i was like

no way

was watching it tick down

nah no way

indeed a way

[thick kelp]

its a gain to let it drop

over sending MS at 1stack

[gaunt owl]

fun part

[boreal quartz]

im so glad i just baked all my shit into my ms icon

[thick kelp]

Imagine they didnt nerf MS by 20%

[boreal quartz]

its too many buffs on my bar

[shadow ibex]

😦

[gaunt owl]

MS stand for Mediocre Spell

one day we wont have 5 modifier on it

[shadow ibex]

i need demo stacks to do something for MS

sorry not sorry

[teal fossil]

Yeah weird that demo buffs cleave but not ms

[shadow ibex]

not just fuckin op

[edgy solstice]

saving demo for boss and tank decides to wack off ina corner until might falls off

[teal fossil]

Or am I misremembering

Oh no I was thinking of something else

Mb

[gaunt owl]

i had a fun interaction with Demolish

[boreal quartz]

ye i love random tank movement

[gaunt owl]

when you get grabbed while casting it, you just dont do dmg

[astral talon]

lost 15 stacks of juggernaut on sikran pull

at 46%

good thing we wiped 👍

[gaunt owl]

always try to min max your Juggy duration

now that we have 2 SD charge

[minor gust]

how you drop stacks on Sikran

oh 46%

[astral talon]

wa sucked dick for a sec there

[minor gust]

such a good feeling getting sick rng and just holding 15 jugg stacks for almost the whole fight

now just reduce the stack count to 10 and increase the dmg to 5% ty blizz

[astral talon]

would be nice ngl

xd

[teal fossil]

but class fantasy!!!

But legion execute video!!!

[gaunt owl]

the cursed video

[minor gust]

the video is of a fury warrior and it ruined arms

what a timeline

[supple linden]

Hello fellow arms warrior

Any arms streamer that does m+?

Couldnt find any all of them playing fury

Or a youtube ?

[nova marsh]

Guys is assa just cracked?

1Also the second boss of grim batol

Can suck it

[magic canopy]

Did you have a question about it I've done some testing with it

[swift crown]

wtf you killed Kyveza????

[red viper]

Hey guys, I play m+ and swapped to Slayer from Colossus since I suck too much to make it work (even though I love the demolish animation). Not used to playing with Bladestorm though, when should I be sending BS vs sweeping strikes and rotation?

[swift crown]

Heroic or?

[sacred zodiac]

that profile picture is fucked up

[sacred zodiac]

he said m+ or

[elfin violet]

Second wind vs Fast footwork vs Pain and Gain for m+? I noticed that the second wind proc under 35% does pretty much nothing so what do you guys prefer?

[red viper]

Why the 2nd boss? I find the 3rd boss (Dragon) to be a pain in the ass

[red viper]

I swapped over to Fast Footwork for a while then switched that to Intimidating shout, found the cc more useful for my group

[minor gust]

tank puts boss in the left wall and dragon is free

[elfin violet]

extra cc always nice too, guess even piercing Howl could be useful

[nova marsh]

on tyranical in higher keys it can be really really rough

honestly all of grim batol kinda sucks....but I also FINALLY got to an 8 key

Pugs have succeeded lol

[frosty pike]

i think a lot of people just do bad routes in that room

you can hug the right edge by the lava and clear the 2nd molten giant group while the boss pats by

makes it so you have all the space in the world & you dont have to rush to clear anything before the boss pats

[nova marsh]

eh true

Lower keys kinda taught them that

Cuz in lower keys you need very little room

[woven wasp]

[smoky kayak]

between Spell Reflect and DStance for each AoE pulse, it's not that bad, but people always forget to use DStance

[nova marsh]

(Including me)

[sacred zodiac]

[smoky kayak]

you can, but it's still iffy - you wanna time the giant pulls with their stun and the boss pats very close by, making it easy for errant AoE to pull it

[sacred zodiac]

ive never had the boss pulled from that position though

[nova marsh]

Ret paladins

[smoky kayak]

I absolutely have lol

[sacred zodiac]

you need to be wildly uncareful to pull the boss from there

unlucky

[frosty pike]

absolutely this lol

[smoky kayak]

you'd be surprised what unexpected range some classes have

[nova marsh]

Ret's with their sling shot tempest bullshit

That crap is why I don't play ret tbh

[frosty pike]

i think it helps that the group im in the most has a warlock, so he usually just sets up gateway onto the little bench area and that usually eliminates any of the "thisll be close" stuff

[swift crown]

[junior marsh]

so what build are we running now

my buddy saying colossus ravager

fuck ravager

[astral talon]

colo ravager

best shit

10/10

[sacred zodiac]

maybe i play spiteful serenity on court

[boreal quartz]

holy hdr

[boreal quartz]

sure SOA tho

[astral yarrow]

actually think DN is worth because adds often are kind of out of range

[boreal quartz]

i think DN does soo pisspoor dam

id just go soa

[sacred zodiac]

??????????

[elfin violet]

But soa sims like incredibly close to dn even for ST

even in the dummy it looks like the dn dmg almost compensates for the soa buff

[arctic hearth]

Does sweep still make TC hit rend on 10targets?

[boreal quartz]

ni

no

[astral yarrow]

DN is 3-4% of my damage along with cleave being basically that

little higher

[arctic hearth]

Kinda sucks it only hits 5 tbh..

[teal fossil]

how can they do that to me

[teal fossil]

can you link a sim for this

[elfin violet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1ZHF9JHd5wDmYjBR7W6ZbP

its like 10k dps up

but if u consider how many bosses have adds

its even less

[teal fossil]

you also have to consider how fast the adds die

if the adds are dead in cleave-op-cleave then you arent getting a lot of DN value

[elfin violet]

btw talking bout m+

[teal fossil]

i thought you were talking about raid adds

yeah sure

[elfin violet]

aaah

yeah raid i d go soa :P

[astral yarrow]

i feel like this is gonna have to be better for court played well

slayer is just easy though

[nova marsh]

SoA in keys feels p good ngl

[lone fable]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/nQgWwzukMz

Can someone help me there? I am a lil bit desperate.
I cannot find the reason why i suck.

[astral talon]

arms player's dmg correlates to biceps circumference

[fervent stream]

Obviously.

[sacred zodiac]

it is because you are a noober !!!

your ilvl is a bit behind the curve and your trinkets are ass

619 weapon is tragic

your opener and execute look fine although i cant 100% tell whats going on in execute

[tacit crystal]

prob just gear diff

[sacred zodiac]

like assuming every OP was an opportunist tac proc you definitely made a mistake here

the full 15 seconds in execute where you are doing jack shit doesnt help

Yooooo

its just a combo of awful killtimer + maybe not optimal crafts + maybe a bit of trolling in execute

@lone fable

[lone fable]

Thanks for some insights 🙂

[livid cloak]

Why do you have thunderclap talented on princess?

[tacit crystal]

@sacred zodiac rate the execute

[tacit crystal]

because its inconsequential, either that or shockwave

[livid cloak]

Rend just straight up does more damage

[nova marsh]

Okay skarmok is awful

[tacit crystal]

you are never pressing both

[livid cloak]

Literally 0 reason to use clap on princess

Its a straight up loss to have it on your bars

[tacit crystal]

whether you press it or not is another thing

[sacred zodiac]

its fine

genuinely optimal if you press it while leaving melee

[sacred zodiac]

idk if ur LB rng is garbage then what can you do

[tacit crystal]

i think it was more so boss was about to die

and i was legit cranking executes

i think all those were at 15 jug

[nova marsh]

....So

Skarmok is impossible. I'm convinced

[livid cloak]

Get 1 or 2 orbs on the first set

Get 2 more when shield spawns

[astral yarrow]

also having a healer helps

[livid cloak]

Hit demolish for 20 mil

[nova marsh]

Ah yes

Sorry I was doing this without a healer MB

I fucking hate this boss

[livid cloak]

If people aren't getting orbs the shield lasts forever

[astral yarrow]

theres a difference between having a healer, and them actually healing

[nova marsh]

I fucking give up on my stone vault key

I'm just gonna reroll it and wait in que for 4 hours

[livid cloak]

Also it helps when the crystals are spawning to ping the one you're gonna hit first

So people focus it

And don't kill 2 at once

If you have an orb buff and 2 stacks of crystal dot it's a death for sure

[nova marsh]

Yeah but people don't get it

I mean one of those times was mb for just....sending Troar and watching two adds die at once

[livid cloak]

Save cds for shield

[nova marsh]

insta wipe

Honestly my problem with skarmox is you spend the whole fight on adds

You don't get to do boss damage, it's just adds

It makes it really tedious

[south cypress]

Hey I’m new to warrior only started in DF but started raiding now in TWW. Do we have less health than other plate at roughly the same ilvl? I feel like I have the less health in my raid

[nova marsh]

Kinda because they probally have stam talents

we don't

P sure both pally and DK have stam talents,I think DK just has extra stam by default

[sacred zodiac]

only dks and fury warriors should have more hp than you

but you have really good defensives so

[astral talon]

How many orbs do you pick up on skormorak?

[quasi torrent]

bm has more

[astral talon]

I usually have one stack of buff

I think I should have like 3 and then drop demolish

[south cypress]

Gotchu. Yeah tbh almost all my raid does. (I have more as fury with talents copied from wowhead so I’m not sure what exactly is different) not a problem just wanted to double check if its common

[sacred zodiac]

You fool. You Moron. The Discussion was SPECIFICALLY about plate dps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[livid cloak]

I get 1 or 2 stacks from first set of 5, then pick up as many are left when 6th crystal dies

I try to get 4 or 5 bc demolish hits like a truck on the shield

[astral talon]

Mhmm

[sacred zodiac]

i think you should pick up 10 balls and then mandate the boss

[quasi torrent]

plate these

[livid cloak]

1 stack is too few imo if you have cds

You can kill shield VERY fast with 3 to 5 stacks and warbreaker and demolish

[sacred zodiac]

you can overkill the shield with mandate noober

[livid cloak]

Idk what that is

Oh the trinket

I don't have

[astral talon]

Bro i dont run mandate in m+

[sacred zodiac]

noob

what do you run as arms

treach mandate?

[nova marsh]

bold of you to assume I HAVE a mandate

You fool I can't raid this season

[sacred zodiac]

maybe loot it from LFR?

[nova marsh]

Na leeme just go kill mythic queen rq

I'll just loot it bro

[astral talon]

I have void exploding thingy

And skarmorak shard

[nova marsh]

Pactstone seems kinda mid

I need new trinkets

Orator is ass

Mark is okay

[tacit crystal]

orate these

[sacred zodiac]

how good is pactstone suicide damage

[nova marsh]

Probally not good enough to warrant killing yourself at the end of evrey fight

[astral talon]

It does that?

[nova marsh]

Yeah when you die it does an explosion

[astral talon]

Bro i just read "aoe dmg"

And equipped it

[nova marsh]

Should just read "not on use trinket" and equip it

[astral talon]

Ye that was my reasoning too lol

[manic river]

Many people are just awful in dungeons I don't get why

I'm not the best either, I get stressed when I have to doge mechanics and also hit a bunch of things, but man

This week I've seen wipes on regular ass bosses

Like tanks not knowing to move the 1st spider boss in ara-ara

People forgetting to kill the adds or kick in second boss of Necrotic

The m+s are already harder right now but people are just not making it easy

[nova marsh]

It's people

it's not surprising

[manic river]

I played Grim Batol +5 with people of the guild, should have been simple and easy, we plated by fucking up the dragon boss and the tank also literally forgetting to repair and diying

And that's with people that you can comunicate with

[nova marsh]

Oh no

[manic river]

I've been hearing a lot of people complaining about healers too, seems like now they have more responsability you can see the ones that are shit more

[nova marsh]

ALL MEELE NECROTIC WAKE

Am I cooked?

[manic river]

Well do you have some good melee specs in the party?

[nova marsh]

me. enhance, ret

[tacit crystal]

maybe find a better guild

[manic river]

Well the specs are good for sure, now your fate depends on them knowing how to position all the time and kicking

[manic river]

I mean, the tank seemed to not be very experienced, not one of the regulars for sure, I'm guessing they were helping him, but fuck this week

[rose parrot]

Hey all very noob question, does avatar boost thunderous roar dot damage

[astral yarrow]

yes

[rose parrot]

okay sick

Assume it's good to sync that when possible then

[tacit crystal]

statement still holds or you tank instead

[manic stirrup]

no

why would u be cooked

[tacit crystal]

you will probably be in group hell until you find good players guild or people you meet

[sacred zodiac]

Aagaard noober

[astral yarrow]

yes noobing on court

hard

[sacred zodiac]

Idk wtf to do on that fight

I don't like the revvez talents

[astral yarrow]

idk

i feel regardless of what you do you are playing some CDR shit so its never really that consistent

ive had pulls doing 1.8mil going into intermission

[sacred zodiac]

Idk I didn't expect we'd kill kyveza so quick so I kinda just copied talents and threw stuff against the wall

[astral talon]

Mythic?

[astral yarrow]

Just take rikus

plug n play

full payphone

[astral talon]

We had first few pulls on rashanan

How the fuck do those webs work xD

I have no clue

[astral yarrow]

no weird avatar timings needed

[astral talon]

Asked guild like 5 times, they explaijed it

And i still dont get it lol

[sacred zodiac]

U have lines between every person that got webbed

If line touch friendly man they die violently

[sacred zodiac]

No hc prog is a toughie

Took us 63 pulls to kill kyveza

[astral talon]

F

[astral yarrow]

xdd

[astral talon]

[astral yarrow]

i think revvez choice might be the most relevant since the fight is literally just about control

dps check is non existant

[sacred zodiac]

The 63 number is real btw very proud of that

Haven't seen a lower pull count kill yet

[astral yarrow]

guilds getting to her post nerf will have it ez

[hazy flower]

63 is very low

lol

[nova marsh]

because noone can hook

[astral talon]

Fastest progressing guild in the world?

Sub 100 ansurek soon?

[sacred zodiac]

Oly moly

[astral talon]

Ok so, how do those big webs work on rashanan?

[sacred zodiac]

.

[astral talon]

Oh didnt see the answer

[nova marsh]

Stitchflesh is the worst boss

[sacred zodiac]

Perish in flames

[astral talon]

So, can I break them, or sth?

[astral talon]

Rude

[solemn fractal]

Agreed

[astral talon]

[sacred zodiac]

You burn better than you fight

Just snap the connection to ur "tomb" ASAP and then stay grouped with the other webbed men

[astral talon]

Eyo what

[nova marsh]

I love how I can have a key going perfectly

Literally at stitchflesh with 15 minutes left

And all of that is just wipes

This hurts

So fucking much

[astral talon]

Ok so, what we agreed on is we make a square on the right or left, walk to the middle of it, where theres a safespot, and just wait for webs to disappear

Good way to do it?

[sacred zodiac]

Doesn't have to be a square

[astral talon]

Well, a spread

[solemn fractal]

Yup, same happened here :\

[sacred zodiac]

As long as the webs are far ish and you don't touch other men with the connecting webs

[astral yarrow]

the webbed people can touch eachother

[solemn fractal]

Needs some tuning.

[astral yarrow]

just webbed + non webbed is bad

[astral talon]

Its easy boss tho

[solemn fractal]

Mechanics are easy

Just very unforgiving.

[astral talon]

People are just brain stuck on trying to oneshot it lol

[sacred zodiac]

It's totally fine after the nerf no

Just kill the aboms after hook or even before it ig it doesn't matter

[nova marsh]

No

[astral talon]

Dont do double hook with one abominations

[nova marsh]

it's not.

[astral talon]

It is fine

[sacred zodiac]

It is

What now?

Noobliterated

[astral talon]

Dont be an idiot and do it properly

[nova marsh]

Ah yes my MB leeme just tell my ISP lag isnt real so it dosen't wipe the fucking group again

[astral talon]

Dont do double hook with one abominations

[nova marsh]

It's either you do it perfectly or you wipe

[astral talon]

YOU HAVE ONE MECHANIC THERE

Hit the hook

[nova marsh]

AND ONE MECHANIC PUGS WILL FUCK UP

EVREY. FUCKING. TIME

[astral talon]

SKILL ISSUE

[nova marsh]

YES IK

I AM WELL AWARE

[astral talon]

^

[nova marsh]

KILL ME NOW

[astral talon]

No need, boss already did it

[nova marsh]

...

Fuck you

That's a good one thou

[sacred zodiac]

[astral talon]

Either way

Hook, full blast boss

Kill abo

Wait for another abo to spawn

Hook

Kill abo while cleaving boss

[nova marsh]

Yes I did this when it was current

[astral talon]

Rinse repeat

[nova marsh]

and pugs can't do it

It's quite sad

[astral talon]

You mean back in SL?

[nova marsh]

Yep

[astral talon]

You can't do it like back in SL

Its a different boss basically

In SL you did double hook every abomination to burst it faster

[nova marsh]

All that's changed is the ramping damage on abmom is worse right?

[astral talon]

Yes

And you cant have two aboms

[nova marsh]

Well yeah

[astral talon]

Cuz you'll die

[nova marsh]

I mean

That was always the case

[astral talon]

Not rly, in shadowlands you'd do double hook

Now you can't

Unless boss is like 15% or so

[nova marsh]

So

[teal fossil]

it still wasnt easy in shadowlands

[nova marsh]

Do we just say fuck it and send CDs into abombs

[teal fossil]

weapons were stronger too

[nova marsh]

It still killed a lot of pugs

[astral talon]

If you struggle with the boss, yes

Absolutely

[nova marsh]

Eh

It'll take longer

[astral talon]

Its a bit slower but very consistent

It's the proper way of doing that boss

[astral talon]

Or you can just wipe

And deplete

[nova marsh]

I already fucking did dude

3 fucking keys

I'm getting salty

[astral talon]

Ye, cuz you didnt do it the slow way

Nw you can gain a lot of time by doing big trash pulls

And chain pulling

[frigid cipher]

just did a key where we just deleted stitchflesh

on a 10

44 second fight

[astral yarrow]

also had him die within lust 🤷‍♀️

[frigid cipher]

[astral yarrow]

people just fuck up and dont use spears i guess

[tacit crystal]

[astral talon]

Showoff

[frigid cipher]

not sure if its really doable with every comp though

[astral talon]

No shot lol

[frigid cipher]

had an aff lock and fire mage just blast him

[astral talon]

I usually do it with two aboms

[nova marsh]

Guys

Why is necrotic wake so hard

Whjy is this of all keys my most depleted? People can't even do fucking blightbone

[astral talon]

Its an easy key

That people try to bruteforce instead of playing it normally

Thats why

[nova marsh]

Dude I've been told evrey key is easy

Dawnbreaker is easy, ara kara is easy, stonevault is easy.

I'm convinced pugs simply do not have a brain. Not even a lack of brain cells, just a lack of the entire organ.

[tacit crystal]

that is the reason

🙂

[frosty pike]

arakara is super forgiving with harder mechs

[tacit crystal]

pugs are demons

so we avoid demons

[nova marsh]

expect for the last boss that just

one shots you for taking a toe into any aoe...also damn that damage

[astral yarrow]

some of them are objectively easier than the rest, but depletion rates are giga high this season

[nova marsh]

It feels like pulling teeth just at 7s

[astral yarrow]

you would not like mythic raiding i guess

[nova marsh]

Just trying to get KSM

[nova marsh]

Dude I can't mythic raid, I'm trash

[astral talon]

Oh dawnbreaker is a fucking breeze to go through

[nova marsh]

I'd get flamed and told to fuck off

I wouldn't even get to trial

[astral talon]

Wait for next season, dungeons will suck ass xD

[astral yarrow]

that is quite clear to me from your complaining, but only up to go from here

[nova marsh]

And also time won't allow, as I've said many times before

When you don't even have a set in stone schedule raiding is borderline impossible

[astral yarrow]

i mean its a priority you give to a hobby like soccer or hockey

[nova marsh]

Yes

But my boss still isn't gonna give me off evrey time lmao

most of the time, but that's not good enough to mythic raid

besides I honestly just...don't have a real reason to do it

[astral talon]

Mythic raiding is either to tryhard

Or to chill with homies

[nova marsh]

And I have no homies

[tacit crystal]

make some

[nova marsh]

Or all my homies are even worse then me and do tank damage

Also I truthfully feel like people are the least patient they've ever been

The instant something looks like a deplete someone's gone

[astral yarrow]

Baseline keys are harder than ever, but you are talking to a lot of people who winds down by doing 20s last expansion

[nova marsh]

Yes I'm talking to people who convince me evrey dungeon is easy when my experience just isn't that

When just a +2 was pulling teeth

[astral yarrow]

like, a +7 is similar scaling to a 17-18 key last expansion while dropping atrocious gear for the effort

[astral talon]

Ye but the damage gain from ilvl is also smaller

MUCH smaller

[nova marsh]

So gear dosen't even help that much

[astral talon]

Ye, all about skill and doing mechanics properly

[astral yarrow]

meh

[nova marsh]

It's always been about that

That's wow

[astral talon]

You can do 10s timed with people doing like 1mil overall dps

[astral yarrow]

we did 10s first day in 610 gear

[astral talon]

Ye

[astral yarrow]

10s are infinitely easier now at 625+

[nova marsh]

Is 1 mill overall just complete trash?

[astral yarrow]

kind of yea

[astral talon]

Depends on the dungeon but 1mil is kinda low

[nova marsh]

Oh so essentially as per usual pugs DPS is the real issue

because it's complete and utter garbage

As is mine.

Sorry I'm just extremely salty

[astral talon]

Just a game

Gotta chill and enjoy yourself

[nova marsh]

I just want KSM so I can say I did something

[astral talon]

And you will get it

Slowly but surely

[nova marsh]

I am literally

[sacred zodiac]

every dungeon is trivial actually

[nova marsh]

80 points away

[sacred zodiac]

i soloed it all

[nova marsh]

I just need necrotic wake and ara kara

[astral talon]

Ara ara~

[nova marsh]

I knew that joke was coming

[thin niche]

Hey guys, setting up my Arms right now. Somehow i can not use Avatar in a makro anymore? it always shows me: Spell not learned.

[sacred zodiac]

most certainly can

idk post a screenshot of the macro maybe

[thin niche]

tried use and cast

both doesnt work

[sacred zodiac]

do you have avatar talented

[thin niche]

hah yeah 😄

[edgy solstice]

the amount of pugs that forget to use spear or hit the add with spear instead is traumatic

[nova marsh]

So

Is good dps only if I can do like 1.5m+

[thin niche]

i could swear it worked on my fury yesterday but today it is not 😄

[sacred zodiac]

this macro works for me

are you 100% sure you have avatar talented

[sacred zodiac]

is it called avatar in your language?

[thin niche]

pretty sure because the normal spell works also

playing english client

[sacred zodiac]

idk not seen this before

and you are actually pressing the correct macro yes

[old urchin]

anyone using spiteful serenity to make sure all warbreakers and demolish line up? or am i overthinking?

[sacred zodiac]

if you are talenting spiteful serenity you are omega cooked

[nova marsh]

Spiteful serenity is the worst talent in the game

[edgy solstice]

eh

[nova marsh]

It killed my dog

[edgy solstice]

AM just too good. desync isn't that bad

[old urchin]

i get it i just wasnt sure if them being together was better than not

[nova marsh]

It techincally is

[old urchin]

thanks

[sacred zodiac]

i am talenting spiteful serenity on mythic court

[nova marsh]

But it's not worth almost cutting ur damage bonus to CS and ava in half

[edgy solstice]

spiteful aint that bad tho. we're like a tier set's diff away from possibly running spiteful torment shenanigans

[thin niche]

yeah like i said, i get the error in the middle of the screen while using the macro: spell not learned 😄 yesterday it worked so i am really clueless 😄

[old urchin]

do you hold for the 15 seconds or send it and line up every other one

[nova marsh]

We don't hold

[sacred zodiac]

what do you need the macro for anyways

i dont think current arms design calls for macros for avatar

[manic stirrup]

is this real or meme

[sacred zodiac]

you tell me

[nova marsh]

Evreything is on use

[astral talon]

Wtf is even that?

[manic stirrup]

idk seems turbo fake but i havent looked at silken at all yet

[sacred zodiac]

treach is the only 90s trinket worth using dont @ me

[nova marsh]

Also I have achieved 100 declines in a single day

[sacred zodiac]

i think you know enough about warrior to tell that spiteful serenity is fake

[sacred zodiac]

press n then spec fury or

[astral talon]

Play arms with homies, fury with pugs

[sacred zodiac]

play fury in general unless kyveza court sikran noobers

[astral yarrow]

yenny comes into my stream and goes "bro why are you playing transmitter"

[manic stirrup]

are you applying to real keys

[sacred zodiac]

i think we should kill yenny with hammers

[astral yarrow]

yes

[nova marsh]

What the fuck is a fake key

[manic stirrup]

or applying to shit way above your io pay grade

[nova marsh]

So

[manic stirrup]

i can farm declines applying to 12s with only 10s done

[nova marsh]

At 1921 I cannot do a 7

That's all I'm applying to is 7s and 8s

Anything higher is a waste of time trying tbh

[manic stirrup]

just getting every key done at like a 6 is 2k

what dungeons are you applying to

[nova marsh]

Literally JUST necrotic wake

Because I just want my score

[manic stirrup]

whats your best necrotic wake

[dire hinge]

Yeah I’m primarily pugging this season and it was safest to just push up all my low keys to 5/6s then get all 7s/8s then it snowballs from there

[nova marsh]

a 5 deplete. That's why I can't get invited

ik

[sacred zodiac]

hrothmar accused of topping dps meter in every dungeon they are in

[manic stirrup]

in df s2 i farmed declines ALL DAY to keys i already did on the other week (fort 28 tyran 27, no invite to tyran 28)

thats when shit is rough

or getting declined to keys youve already done on a higher level just bc u wanna play the video fame

game

[dire hinge]

I can’t beat the allegations (I get carried by frost DKs)

[sacred zodiac]

have you tried pressing the famous n key

[dire hinge]

Yeaaaah like 80% of my keys are as Prot

[sacred zodiac]

Holy

he did press the famous n key

[nova marsh]

See guys

You say that

But there's one thing you have forgotten

I am a one trick

[dire hinge]

Forbidden technique: tank the key

[sacred zodiac]

i need a shield to do that

[swift crown]

Spongie press N challenge

[edgy solstice]

you gotta be overqualified and a half or you're just gonna get auto declined

[sacred zodiac]

i top every key (except tamaran is in i cant win)

[nova marsh]

That's the fun of it

[edgy solstice]

life of a dps. there's always people playing meta and/or higher io than you to choose from

[swift crown]

@fast token

[sacred zodiac]

i need a shield incase tamaran is in the schlüsselstein

[swift crown]

We need to do a key NOW

[nova marsh]

U gotta have done +20s to get into +6s

[sacred zodiac]

it is 00:51

[swift crown]

so?

[sacred zodiac]

I will Not be doing a Schlüsselstein

[swift crown]

you changed Spongie...

[sacred zodiac]

we should be farming scrap in Tödliche Firma

[nova marsh]

You need to be a LIVING GOD amongst men to get into keys

[frosty pike]

DPS is a dime a dozen role and this game becomes a million times better when you stop trying to pug end game content

[sacred zodiac]

i have been promoted to LIVING GOD amongst men apparently

[nova marsh]

See I'd love to

But literally noone has my time schedule

[sacred zodiac]

doubt

look harder

people play at really weird times

[swift crown]

Time to start your own guild

[nova marsh]

LOL WHAT

You want me to be a GM? I'd rather jump into a pool of acid

[fast token]

I had to scroll down rly far for this ping wtf