arms

[junior marsh]

If they give demolish fury of the eagle cone it would be fuckin insane

Also how bad is coming from fury with pure haste mastery gear

[balmy kindle]

Wouldn't be against a larger one

[junior marsh]

Like a 617 ilvl worth of stats with bis rings and shit

Crit is omega important huh

[balmy kindle]

Arms tend to like crit also but haste mastery ain't too bad

[junior marsh]

Imma try it out in some 9s today

[balmy kindle]

But Colo does love crit mastery more

When u land that war beaker into demo full stack

Watch as the FDK plays catch up

[tacit crystal]

i think im only going to be playing thane prot or slayer jug in keys

[balmy kindle]

If you have a Group slayer jug is good in keys

[tacit crystal]

and the forbidden dragon

[balmy kindle]

Just do boss and prior dmg

[tacit crystal]

yeah guess what im playing in my group

[balmy kindle]

Let u friends handle aoe

[tacit crystal]

im on the forbidden class

[manic river]

Slayer likes haste more, colo prefers a bit more crit

I like to switch things from time to time so I will aim for a more balanced distribution

[balmy kindle]

The only issue is arms doesn't really like mastery too much

[manic river]

Which is sad because our mastery doesn't sound bad at all

[balmy kindle]

But both fury and arms love haste

[manic river]

That extra flat damage

[balmy kindle]

In m plus keys I use the ritual knife which gives alot of dmg in dungeon slice

Like a 2% gain

[manic river]

Interesting

With my survi hunter is all the way mastery and crit

Our mastery is so beffy

[balmy kindle]

Our mastery is better on aoe

But not by much

[balmy kindle]

Wait survival hunter actually goes for mastery now

Interesting, long way that spec has came

[latent moss]

its vers 2.0

ret goes for mastery too

[manic river]

Yep, if you go pack (which is not really played much) you can go crit = mastery or so but if you go Sentinel it is mastery > crit for real

reworked mastery is nuts

The rework on survi is pretty good overall

[latent moss]

kinda boring but eh

who cares

[balmy kindle]

Haha give survival a break it's a fun spec for sure if not for the stigma

Happy that it's good now

[manic river]

It is good now, it's just the pew pew guys in MM get more visibility because they are the strong one now

[balmy kindle]

Used to main hunter*

Ah but MM is good in aoe now I think 🤔? In exchange their st is kind of sad now

So it's not all good

Mostly played MM during hunter days

[manic river]

Yeah it is all backwards now, BM is good in single but still has shitty aoe (at least until they get more buffs in) and MM is the aoe dude now, it's all shit strange

[balmy kindle]

The lack of 2T cleave is why I swapped to zug zug

Classic blizzard

[manic river]

I believe survi is fairly balanced between st and aoe

[balmy kindle]

Last played surv on DF, for me surv it's alwyS the issue of surviving

For a spec aptly named survival

[latent moss]

yeah now u have 2 vers stats

survival of the fittest

2 charges etc

[manic river]

Oh yeah surv in DF was.... bad

[latent moss]

its crazy

[manic river]

Yeah hunters got good defensives

[balmy kindle]

Outside of turtle I still like brown class more

Like exhilaration is nice but victory rush is better in keys

[manic river]

Arms is particular is a good defensive dps with your cds

I had one ocassion when some shitty tank died and I carried the add (or maybe a boss?) for a few secons while coming back by dropping spell reflec and die by the sword and healing xd

Can only tank for 6 sec or so but is possible

[balmy kindle]

Yeah die by the sword for all the flak it gets here

Is my favourite defensive

[latent moss]

it gets flak cause

enraged regen is broken

[manic river]

Spell reflect with arms and prot is also gucci

[balmy kindle]

Yes yes I would admit when I dont get one shotted thats better

Usually the main threat is thrash

[latent moss]

there are cases where dbts is better but they are very rare and not something you will come across in content where it matters

[balmy kindle]

Pulling aggro

[latent moss]

(giga high keys)

[balmy kindle]

Like enraged is not saving me from pulling aggro

[manic river]

I now have a little aura that tells me when I'm getting a spell cast on me that I can reflect and tells me the timing of when it's going to go out so I can just bonk casters back

[strange perch]

please don't say that

[latent moss]

HOOOOLY PAUCK

LEGENDARY PULL

[strange perch]

hi

[latent moss]

hi

[strange perch]

i am a little sad today... but w/e...

[boreal quartz]

@strange perch do i level my hunter

Or what's my 3rd char

[strange perch]

idk bm boring survival ruined mm okay

very mid class

[boreal quartz]

SV ruined how

[strange perch]

what happened to philshaman

[boreal quartz]

Level 80

But why not 1 mkrw

More

[strange perch]

well they want you to play around tip of the spear and you overcap focus and spend a global just for the privilege to press explo shot and wfb

feels horrid imo

[boreal quartz]

I c

[strange perch]

also that talent that after CA you get 2 free explo shots

[balmy kindle]

Lol explosive shot

[strange perch]

you need to dump focus for 2000 globals just so you get to play

[balmy kindle]

[strange perch]

yucky

[balmy kindle]

My condolences

[strange perch]

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States

[manic river]

I don't feel the survi rework is that bad at all

[balmy kindle]

But I get why he's not happy, explosive shot

Is not a nice button for surv

[strange perch]

yeah i mean its way better than before in terms of choice and atleast with the talent tree rework blizzard has the option to make the spec good just those 2 talents tip of the spear and the 2 free explo shots ruin it for me

feels bad

also fote cool button but undertuned af

[manic river]

I mean CA does give you some fat Explosive shots by stacking 3 at the ends but the main thing is to have a heavy burst window combining it with flanking to recoup even more tip of the spear and drop everything on the adds

[balmy kindle]

For me surv I only liked bombs mongoose and fury of eagle

[balmy kindle]

What a shame

[manic river]

Eagle is making a little bit of a comeback but is used mainly in lower keys ( I mean the really not high ones)

It's going to get a bit buffed with the upcoming patches tho

So its going to see use

[balmy kindle]

How's survival damage profile like now

Last time I played the cleave was insane but st kind of meh

[strange perch]

very linear with 1 min ca very bursty with 2 min ca

[manic river]

For what ive seen pretty good even if not one of those giga classes

Yeah

It's pretty consistent in time

[balmy kindle]

I see so kind of similar to DF but better

Raptor > mongoose still ?

[manic river]

Mongoose is mainly used in ST and its nice there

Although there is a newer build that drops it and stays with raptor, but that's more of your choice

In aoe you just take raptor and put talents anywhere else

[balmy kindle]

Yeap and throw bombs use butchery ( that spinning thing)

Like I RMB running tip of the spear or smth

[manic river]

Yeah, butchery is getting changed now with the 20 anny thing

[balmy kindle]

Like the alternative was not competitive enough

[manic river]

But the people on the discord are pretty chill about the changes

Butchery is now loosing charges and it's going to be a 15 secs regular skill, it's going to get more damage to compensate and now with a talent is getting a BIG bleeding on everyone

[balmy kindle]

Heh, well now if the warrior devs

Can actually do smth similar

[manic river]

So instead of using it just to get more bombs and apply the raptor strike it's going to be a much more significant buttom

[balmy kindle]

Kind of fine actually, balances out the dmg profile

[manic river]

Yeah, before it was just a spammable thing to get more other things

[wraith cave]

so i can craft 1 item have weapon already next best item is suppose to be bracers but i have a decent hero bracers

but champion boots

should i still craft thebracer or go with boots and get the ilvl boost?

[manic river]

Are boots also a good crafted option for warriors?

[balmy kindle]

Guide recommends wrist and cloak

But realistically it's up to him

[manic river]

Cloak is also good if you don't have it

ALTHOUGH, people are starting to use this other cloak, I don't remember the name right now

Winged something?

or wings of blahblah

Wowhead guide may need some revision soon

Wings of shattered sorrow

That one

I have been seeing it more

[grand idol]

Wrist and cloak are bis. Early on you will get a much bigger boost, at the cost of gold, from crafting lower ilvl but higher stat weighted slots. By the time anyone is approaching what would be considered “bis” you’ll be flush with sparks.

[tacit crystal]

^

for example i got heroic wrists with a socket

there is 0 chance im replacing them when i have worse boots that can be upgraded and by the time im nearly full bis, ill have too many sparks

[manic river]

Wow, Maxrolls Colo build goes bonkers with the crit and drops haste

[balmy kindle]

Better to SIM yourself

[manic river]

Yep

[balmy kindle]

Too low haste and it gets

[manic river]

That's the thing, we are a slower spec (even if rage generation in this exp is pretty ludicrous) so we need to be speedy

Pls blizz revert this you did in 10.0.2

(maybe not +20% op damage since we have new talents with it but some)

[balmy kindle]

give us fat MS back

[manic river]

The thing with colosus MS initial damage, at least in tooltip, it's not that far behind exe until it gets stacks

So idk if they don't want to buff much

[balmy kindle]

If they keep nerfing slayer like this

Won't b long before we go Colo in raids

[manic river]

They are gonna taste our simple core skill in the tree

[warped ether]

It feels so unfair compared to rets

[manic river]

Or DK frost

[warped ether]

That are getting reworks every 3-4 months

[manic river]

Dk frost does well both st and aoe and stays on tier S, no nerfs in sight

[warped ether]

I mean they haven’t been that good in the past

[balmy kindle]

History tells me they will get chopped

[manic river]

Sure, and I'm happy about it because I like frost

[balmy kindle]

To a BOS. Spec

[warped ether]

But seeing rets being this good for so long is so irritating

[manic river]

It's just another example of spec being super strong and devs not changing anything for a long time

[balmy kindle]

Your average Ret player is like quin69

Very bad

[latent moss]

yeah and ret has

[manic river]

Meanwhile people complain about fury's burst (which was ludicrous yes) and devs go "OMG we have to nerf all warriors asap"

[latent moss]

10.0 legit 0 defensives

[balmy kindle]

So even juiced up now these guys can't pull the numbers u see on logs

[latent moss]

good in 10.0.7 for 2 weeks

then shit until 10.2

[vital zinc]

As a fury main i'm sorry for what is happening to you beautiful arms players

[manic river]

Solidarity brother

[balmy kindle]

Not sure why blizzard chops the ST dmg of a spec that alr struggles with it

We will live

[manic river]

I will have to go back to my ench shaman too soon, they are eating sooo good, it's just it is the most complex melee spec and I need to retrain a lot

[balmy kindle]

Will never play a spec that requires that much mashing

Too much variance in dmg

[manic river]

It is very stressfull to play it when you are not that good, you have a thousand things popping and procs to react

[balmy kindle]

It's one of reasons I like arms

Just unga bonga

No fancy procs

[summer elbow]

i should learn or sell?

[neon niche]

true

[neon niche]

not true

season 1 arms full of procs

[balmy kindle]

Comparative to enh Shaman

[zinc wolf]

Not used by many anyway, look for how much its going for on AH.

Prob cheap. I would just learn if its cheap then

[summer elbow]

guys do u have any big aoe build? like mass aoe dmg

[balmy kindle]

Colo build with mbg and the cleave talent

[brisk bridge]

Hi all, I am a returning player, where can I see Rotations? (I have checked the pins)

Nvm its in the wowhead article

[summer elbow]

mgb?

[balmy kindle]

Merciless bone grinder

Basically the premise is to run in with sweeping, drop war breaker and ravager

[summer elbow]

ravager instead bs?

[balmy kindle]

Cleave and drop demolish once the stacks build up

Yes

[summer elbow]

so would be charge+avatar ravager cleave - >?

[balmy kindle]

Yes but try to get sweeping up roo

Cause the mortal strikes from. Ravager

While they won't sweep damage

The stacks work

So u easily get near 10 to do your demolish

[summer elbow]

so demolish with 10 stacks

[balmy kindle]

You wanna use it on cooldown if possible

[boreal quartz]

Tc rava ava roar ss wb demo cleave

Or some shit

[balmy kindle]

But try to build as much stacks

As possible

[twilit burrow]

i have a question
if i activate sweeping strikes can i theoretically kick 2 mobs?

[boreal quartz]

No

[twilit burrow]

ok thank u

[summer elbow]

theres a website with the build like icyveins?

[balmy kindle]

I am on mobile right now so maybe someone here can drop you a link

[summer elbow]

thanks mate, i need a build for mass aoe and short pulls

[summer elbow]

so the point is do demolish with 10 colosus might stacks right?

[balmy kindle]

If possible, but ideally U wanna use it within the war breaker debuff

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOAUVFRFQkUVKSUUBAOVVEFVRFVUlFQEQCFFEVVVUBF

This is my build just move the points around

mBG gives more aoe but this week I find boss dmg more important

So I run this with friends / pugs

[balmy cradle]

do you wait until after the ravager has ended to not waste bonegrinder or do you just use demolish in the middle?

[balmy kindle]

It's better to use middle since if u wait war breaker debuff drops

[astral talon]

this on 9 seems pretty good i think

[balmy kindle]

Yeah not beating good rets but considering tuning arms is pretty good

[balmy cradle]

what's the ilvl

[slow saddle]

Make smash start off casting wb automaticly

[astral talon]

high

[balmy kindle]

It's a 9 so 620+

[astral talon]

623

[balmy kindle]

Likely

Heh was close

[slow saddle]

616😅

[astral talon]

still, colo is more fun than slayer

[balmy cradle]

I am stuck at 608 🥲

[astral talon]

fuck slayer

all my homies hate slayer

[balmy cradle]

slayer was cool

[balmy kindle]

Doesn't have the bonk feeling

[astral talon]

slayer is cool in raid

[balmy cradle]

it felt pretty nice though

[astral talon]

but for m+ i like the BONK

[balmy kindle]

Iike it's very cool to run Colo in keys and absolutely blow people up

[balmy cradle]

consuming the stacks and getting millions on execute

[balmy kindle]

Yeah in raids but m+ Colo is my favourite

[balmy cradle]

I also run colossus since they are gutting slayer

[balmy kindle]

Also funny when people look at the meters and be like hmm wtf it's just demolish and cleaves

[astral talon]

not only 😦

[balmy cradle]

the single target feels kinda ass though

[balmy kindle]

Yeah but look at the ratio

[balmy cradle]

I run out of rage easily

[balmy kindle]

Ya Colo plays like that by design, ST is mostly EP and ms doing work

Also sks

[balmy cradle]

yeah sks helps

[astral talon]

first boss tho

[boreal quartz]

Just during

[astral talon]

and 2nd sheeeeeesh

[balmy kindle]

Sham and Ret player phoning blizz

Hello can you the brown guys more thanks

[summer elbow]

thanks mate.. what i can remove for mbg? unghinged?

[balmy cradle]

should I cast some cleaves to get some stacks?

[balmy kindle]

Er massacre or 1 point off the bleed nodes

U can't have everything sadly

[boreal quartz]

Idk i just buff my big cleave from CD with demo

And getting Demo on CD early is good

[balmy kindle]

Yeah don't delay demo

[astral talon]

you can hit the dummy

before dung starts

[balmy cradle]

oki so just cast

[astral talon]

and you keep the stacks

like this

[balmy kindle]

Wtf that's some 400 iq

[astral talon]

you didnt know?

xD

[balmy cradle]

I dont have this 😦

[astral talon]

any dummy item works

[balmy kindle]

Nope man holy shite that's insane

[astral talon]

or pull one mob and stack it up

it doesnt drop when you start the key

so on 1st pull you can just go insta avatar warbreaker demolish

[balmy cradle]

wait nevermind I do have the dummy

wait that's big

[balmy kindle]

Can see how that's usable in some keys

[balmy kindle]

Will add that a bigger change is going from arterial bleeding to the cleave talent.

But I am using art bleed cause it's tyran and boss damage is sorely required

[balmy cradle]

I see you take strength of arms

maybe it's worth it for st

[balmy kindle]

Well they guys here have converted me, was a DN stan

[balmy cradle]

DN feels nice

[balmy kindle]

Yes it's a huge ST gain for negligible aoe loss

[balmy cradle]

will try

[balmy kindle]

For Colo most of your aoe is coming from cleave bleeds and demo

So Dreadnaught doesn't really do much too

[balmy cradle]

makes sense

is it worth not to take mbg?

[balmy kindle]

mBG for me is like yes it gives you massive aoe damage, but this week being tyran

[zinc wolf]

Does it work in m+ though

[balmy cradle]

ah makes sense yeah

[balmy kindle]

The Colo cleave talent is prolly better for cleave dmg if u want it

But art bleeding gives a mediocre increase to both and it's going to get buffed so

[balmy cradle]

yeah also trying it out

the damage overall is pretty solid

[balmy kindle]

Previous week there were some bros here running no exexcute Colo builds too

Like completely not using EP, grabbing only sharpened blades

[astral talon]

yes

you use it before you start the dungeon

you stack

[balmy kindle]

The main buff for me is the 4s stun we get from boneshaker

[zinc wolf]

But during

[astral talon]

you start the dungeon, 10 stacks of demolish stay

you mean to use it on a boss to stack faster with sweeping, or what?

[zinc wolf]

Or keep combat for embelishment

[astral talon]

id say sweeping could be a good thing on bosses

to line it up better with CS

[weak wave]

Am I understanding this affix wrong? I don't see a CDR at all on neither of my abilities

[latent moss]

yeah i can understand that

[quasi torrent]

handel diese

[weak wave]

This weeks m+ affix

the one where you kill the add

you know?

tooltip off buff sais 50% cdr#

but there is none. not on big cds like bladestorm nor on MS

[vernal crypt]

basically every 1s that passes it takes off 1.5s cdr

it doesn't actually take away half of the cooldown

[sharp pawn]

hey there with the new nerfs for slayer should i learn to play demo ?? or can i still stick to slayer arms ?

[nova marsh]

Slayer is fine

#updates-midnight

Archi already did rough maths

Is arms really down bad in keys?

[astral talon]

sub-optimal

not terrible

depleted\ 10 nw 😦

[nova marsh]

Pretty nice damage

[wheat lagoon]

It does a fuck ton of add dmg in dungeons in colossus. Does kinda ok ST

[slow saddle]

Arms and fury are close id guess

In higher keys

[astral talon]

Collosus suffers a lot if you dont chain pull

[balmy kindle]

Furys ST is

[astral talon]

20s between packs and your dmg is gone xD

[slow saddle]

Better?

[balmy kindle]

Ay losing colossal might blows

[wheat lagoon]

I don’t see a tank ever waiting that long

[balmy kindle]

Worse like, fury has no damage off cooldowns outside of cleave

Your average pug is doing tank dmg

[slow saddle]

Kek

Id like to cook up some sks col build

Hmm

With execute talents?

Is that somewhat possible?

Soa ofc( also lets be honest )

Another note battlelord talent... why doesnt it increase ms dmg😅, atm its deadass talent. Same price but weak as fuck

[astral talon]

Thats what I play

If it increased dmg of cleave and ms itd be the best talent

[slow saddle]

Link?

[slow saddle]

Ye but its a fun talent to play

[astral talon]

got this from gellyfisk

theres some changes depending on dungs

and personal preference

[balmy kindle]

I had a link just now you can just move talents to Suit your playstyle

[balmy kindle]

Yeap same as mine about

Realized you running DN tho

Not worth the ST gain to take SOA?

[sleek remnant]

Why does the wowhead guide list crit as highest prio when Haste sims a TON higher in almost all cases for me so far?

[astral talon]

testing both

[balmy kindle]

Ay np, was running DN myself during the start

[nova marsh]

It's a general prio

And also haste is ALWAYS better in early gearing

Arms needs like 25% to be comfy

[balmy cradle]

this feels great

[sleek remnant]

I'm already above 25%, it's just annyoing that my 606 delve neck (haste/mast) sims higher than the 613 raid neck (crit / haste)

I'm around 28% haste right now

[nova marsh]

Just how sims are

[balmy kindle]

There's some variance in Sims too , if it's like 0.1% it's probably variance

Generally I lean heavy into crit haste

Then just let Sims work out master and vers

[empty nova]

Hey lads, as per the above bloke’s pic of his talents I do very well with that however I have a specific question re: Overpower and the Arms choice node.

I see a lot of people taking Dreadnaught but for me it always does so little damage. However, combined with the 4 set, sweeping strikes, all the single target times in M+, it feels like the other choice is better.

Can anyone tell me why Dreadnaught it taken? Seems like the hero talents also buff overpower into wanting us to get it bigger

[balmy kindle]

For a long time Sweeping DN was our aoe rotation in Df

[nova marsh]

I mean you can try soa and see if you get better results

[balmy kindle]

But the flat damage is kind of meek now ( it's not entirely useless)

So there's an arguement to take SOA for more ST dmg

[nova marsh]

If ur more st focused cuz your groups have the aoe bases covered its probally a good play

Espically in higher tyrannical always keys

[empty nova]

I see

So its just a case of it being so close that it isnt that important

[nova marsh]

Ye. You can go either way really

[empty nova]

DN is dreadnaught?

[balmy kindle]

Yes

[nova marsh]

Correct

[empty nova]

Do you mean sweeping Overpower does two dreadnaught lines?

[balmy kindle]

Yeap

[empty nova]

Ah gotcha, thanks that didn’t occur to me that it would.

Ah of course its actually applying the skill on both targets, not like blade flurry (just a % of the dmg dealt to main target)

[balmy kindle]

Yeah sadly

[empty nova]

Thank you both so much.

[nova marsh]

Yeah ss is weird

[balmy kindle]

If it's blade flurry oh boy we are so getting nerfed

[nova marsh]

More then we already are?

[balmy kindle]

I mean look at fury

Cleave tax is real

[empty nova]

Well SS is better than Blade flurry in that regard though, because it applies mortal strike, skullsplitter etc

[balmy kindle]

You are good at handling adds ? Here take an aura nerf

[empty nova]

But i guess blade flurry is like 8 targets haha

[balmy kindle]

Yeah the point is fuss free cleave

[empty nova]

I have another question if you both wouldn’t mind giving opinions

[nova marsh]

I'd rather keep arms as an st spec kind of

[empty nova]

Ive found I prefer Ignore Pain as Arms quite a lot, got the hang of it and a good keybind due to PvP and then it started in single target raid where its better than the drip heal from deep wounds.

In m+, is it trolling to take that?

Esp with the improved ignore pain from Colossus tree?

[nova marsh]

No

[tacit cedar]

I don't remember if it was answered yesterday or not, but does arms just play colossus now?

[nova marsh]

Ip is great

[nova marsh]

Both are viable

[nova marsh]

However we typically don't take the improved ip talent. Free second wind is actually really good

And frees up a talent spot too

[empty nova]

Roger

[tacit cedar]

Did they bring them to within a % or something Like that

[nova marsh]

I'd reccomend ip over FBV tbh

[balmy cradle]

I feel like I would struggle a lot with rage with it

[nova marsh]

Slayer still has vastly better st and does it's damage faster, but colossus is fine

[balmy cradle]

in single target at least

[balmy kindle]

IP is kind of hard to use on colo

[nova marsh]

Not really

[tacit cedar]

Mostly asking for raid. It's still slayer even post nerfs?

[nova marsh]

Just bring a shaman

[nova marsh]

Yes

[empty nova]

I feel like IP is awesome for timed damage spikes, and FBV feels useless because its only in slow damage intake and such light healing

I never have rage problems because IP has a 10 sec cd as Arms haha

[balmy kindle]

You are not wrong, for me I switch depending on the key

[empty nova]

Ah good point, some keys are heavier rot damage

[balmy kindle]

Sometimes FBV is adequate since you die regardless

But IP can save you from one shots

Also rot damage

[empty nova]

FBV scales better with more targets, is that correct? Or is there some sort of cap of how many you can ‘leech’ from

[balmy kindle]

Not to sure about that one haha, but on meters it looks like decent healing

[empty nova]

Those sorts of heals always annoy me because you probably get a lot of them at 90% hp or other times where it doesnt matter, whereas IP is always doing something.

Well you’ve helped me make my mind up. Thank you for your help mate!

[balmy kindle]

your average fury warrior in pugs

not sure why blizzard thinks its justified to slam them with further nerfs

[arctic hearth]

I like this, but swap 2 points below rend (forgot name) to 2 into refund rage on exe - sims around 1% worse but feels better to play imo. Colo rage in exe is meh

[astral talon]

???

no shot i am dropping rend deep wounds and troar dmg xD

its 15% dmg of what amounts to 30% dmg in keys

[neon niche]

remember bfa deep wounds dmg? good days

[balmy kindle]

when arms was a bleed spec, no pls

[reef glade]

don’t u drop skullsplitter in m+ cuz it’s cringe to use

[balmy kindle]

good rage on demand

also significant st gain

[vivid cypress]

How does arms perform so far in m+. I currently prot tank so I am heavy crit haste but I am going to help gear out our new tank. Do I go with arms or do I go fury even though I don't have loads of mastery

[manic river]

Arms goes crit and haste too

Not hard to switch

And I imagine Fury is not very different

Arms is doing good on M+ with the colosus build right now, slayer is nice but with the upcoming nerfs is going to be pretty on par really

The only thing is Colosus doesn't get much st but with some builds and the small buffs coming it may be decent

[gusty nymph]

Only 5 people left in M+….

[unique warren]

why no bladestorm?

[astral talon]

cuz of collosus

waste of dps to spend time bladestorming

when i can do dmg with other spells

[unique warren]

[manic river]

And you don't get the buffs to BS that slayer gets

[ashen rampart]

So in m+ we will be forced to play colossus next patch right?

[icy mulch]

No

[astral talon]

no

its down to preference

i like it more

[ashen rampart]

I like it in AoE

But I feel like it ST u loose a lot of dmg

[vivid cypress]

Thanks for the insight

[astral talon]

better on SOME bosses

like 1st mists boss

😄

[balmy kindle]

any bosses where u can pad that demolish = pog

[manic stirrup]

play arterial bleed

make sure you have massacre and strength of arms

[astral talon]

not even pad

aoe dmg is mad good

cleave is mad good

anything that's not PURELY ST is amazing

[balmy kindle]

yeap, also sweeping demo is mad underrated on the affix as well

easily a 4-5 m nuke on that thing

[crimson hollow]

im main furry and want to try demolish 😄 any good m+ talents? for 9-10 dungeons? 😄

[nova marsh]

So

Can a 600 frost dk really do 2 million overalls in keys

[manic stirrup]

with amazing pulls yeah

[ebon ridge]

is Gromnak behaving choco

[manic stirrup]

define behaving

[ebon ridge]

not wiping u guys etc

[manic stirrup]

sometimes

[zenith warren]

what best build for zekvir??

[neon niche]

Depends
But if u’re weak and/or clueless mountain thane prot is the safest bet

[edgy solstice]

twitter has been a bomb site past couple days so prob not

[unique warren]

can i swap skullsplitter for other talent?

[woven jetty]

What is soa

Also, are there any good pure single target colossus builds? Or is slayer better for st

Thinking of having a change from fury

[astral talon]

sure

your call

[unique warren]

for sudden death

its a good choice?

[astral talon]

you can

i wouldnt

id sooner take EB

[unique warren]

eb?

[edgy solstice]

no sks is trolling tbh

[astral talon]

or this

[edgy solstice]

sadly

[unique warren]

hmmmm

I was thinking about that one

thanks

[manic river]

Guys one important question, I was told our heroic leap could cancel the boss mechanic in Ara-ara by doing it in the last suck

Is that right?

[edgy solstice]

yes

[polar briar]

Both leap + charge work

Just gotta time it right

[manic river]

Damn I was triying just before and it didn't seem to work

I would like to learn it and not have to deal with the blood pools mechanic

[polar briar]

You kinda have to be good on the timing, it has a very small window for error from what I've tried it so far

[warped ether]

If you have plater and see the timer on the boss just jump on the last second

Or 1,5 seconds left

[manic river]

Hm? but I thought it had to be on the sucky part at the end, is that part still on the timer?

[warped ether]

Ye

[manic river]

K I will try to watch that

[warped ether]

Pretty sure at least

[manic river]

Ty

[gloomy current]

whats the raid arms build

[slow saddle]

Slaya!

[frosty pike]

my rule of thumb is wait for the little "bounce" at the end

its around the 90% mark of the cast bar, youll feel your character pop up, have the heroic leap queued and ready for that and youre good

[warped ether]

Ye exactly

Im Like 90% sure it‘s also at 1 second cast time left

[slow saddle]

Or just puddle + interrupt?

[warped ether]

Nah gotta pull out the warrior genius

Worth it

[frosty pike]

make your whole group shit themselves in the process too

really cant go wrong

[slow saddle]

If it aint sr why bother

😄

[warped ether]

It’s a damage increase because you can charge back in

[slow saddle]

1gcd true😁

[warped ether]

[frosty pike]

theres nothing wrong with doing the mechanic, especially so if you arent confident, but its been a while since ive died to it and it leaves more pools for the lesser classes

[arctic hearth]

^

[strange perch]

@latent moss @boreal quartz it is time.

[manic river]

How about when I'm in the back of the boss and the rest of the party doesn't leave anymore puddles than for themelves : )

I would rather not deal with the mechanic

[boreal quartz]

JA CLAPPA

[manic river]

Well guys arms finally got some buffs

In pvp

[strange perch]

🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[edgy solstice]

uncap blood and thunder

buff ms by 30%

swap eb with mortal combo

give warrs lust

ty

[strange perch]

remove cleave
make ss permanent and passive
buff dreadnaught by 250%
make ms hit every target with rend on it
give warr lust and br
ty

[hexed mortar]

make execute actually kill targets regardless of health
make demolish actually destroy the ingame world around the target hit
remove rage and let us just press whichever button we want whenever we want
ty

[warm thistle]

Hi i am just returning to arms, I really like Collossus... is it really that bad?

[stable wigeon]

Can we SR ansureks silken tomb?

[hazy flower]

Its behind on st but apparently its good in m+

[hazy flower]

Yes

[stable wigeon]

Aight, thx

[warm thistle]

Why is Bladestorm with collossus bad?

[edgy solstice]

bc bladestorm is bad without the 47 slayer life support talents

[warm thistle]

okay thx... and why do we press SS during Ravenger or bladestorm'

?

[strange perch]

oh... my... gosh... h-hello m-myrtu i it's an honor to m eet you sir! 😊

[hazy flower]

hi

[edgy solstice]

with slayer it's just so you're bladestorming the cs'd targets

with colo you're prob running WB anyway

but sweeping makes you rend 10 targets with tc so it's worth doing it during charge sometimes

[river lichen]

Guys

how are arms warrior at 1st place on warcraftlogs for normal mode

[broken arrow]

Is this true?

[edgy solstice]

ofc

[river lichen]

anyone ?

[edgy solstice]

it's normal idk

most people doing norm still dont have tier maybe

[river lichen]

are not arms better m+ and fury better raid ?

[misty bridge]

How far behind is Colossus after the 2 slayer nerfs? sub 5%?

[frigid cipher]

arms and fury are both very strong in the raid

fury looks weaker than it actually is because of the rashanan change but its still top tier

both decent in m+

[daring silo]

Do we use dungeon slice for m+ sims, or somethin else?

[ebon marten]

Guys, i have a question. I read for some hours ago, that Arms use Rend in Singletarget. But its cost 20 rage like the thunderclap, which applies rend on all targets. Why should i use Rend instead of Thunderclap? 🤔

[rare galleon]

is it stupid to take IP on arms?

[frigid cipher]

rend initial damage is higher than thunderclap

i have a separate rend bind but a lot of people just clap always

[ebon marten]

ah thank you! didnt noticed that

[nova marsh]

Ip slaps no

Can protect against 1 shots in higher keys

And rage is cosmetic till exe anywyas

[slow saddle]

I mean the self heal is bigger

Until 1 shots are a thing

[prisma heart]

I did zekvir ?? as 610 arms is that still cool or am i 2 weeks late

[quartz cedar]

Good afternoon, Skyhold!

Why is authority of the depths listed as our best weapon enchant over Radiant power? my sims dont back this up, nor is it close. Is anyone using depths?

[dire hinge]

Don’t worry about comparisons, brann has been nerfed and buffed a lot so it’s hard to compare between each other, grats on clearing the harder difficulty 👏

[south cypress]

I did it at 610 arms too a few days ago and felt p cool ngl. 🤷‍♂️

[finite wasp]

What the dps % difference between 619 and 636 2h anyone know

[edgy solstice]

in ST?

like 60k ish

[finite wasp]

ok so like

about a 6 7 ish % increase

[regal wharf]

Should I stick with the Wowhead build or go with the archon.GG one?

[strange perch]

can anyone share the Lethal blows tracker WA

[junior marsh]

cleave is nuts

[regal wharf]

its so fun

I love arms

[strange perch]

can some1 tell me the rotation on execute phase is it spam execute and overpower till 2 stacks of lethal blows then mortal strike?

[latent moss]

yes

2x ep 2x lethal blows

[strange perch]

thanks!

[boreal quartz]

my enha at 580 crits for more dam than my arms at 623 does

[junior marsh]

did a +9 Mists this is my damage breakdown and im in full haste mastery gear

deep wounds kinda

nasty

[worldly kernel]

are you using arterial bleed? or one against many

oh that explains it lol, did you swap over from fury?

[junior marsh]

arterial

yeah i did

[edgy solstice]

skill issue

[junior marsh]

what if we drop

Executioners precision

for something else

idk

[lethal acorn]

I like EP

[worldly kernel]

you can but you lose a lot of ST

[lethal acorn]

I hate Fatality and never played it, even in DF

[worldly kernel]

you're also supposed to be running SD so you're missing out on juiced MS also

[junior marsh]

im not gunna lie

i just copy import builds and play

i dont read shit

ever

seems good

right

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965371616269848578/1282715194476466227/powder_that_makes_you_say_holy.gif

[frosty pike]

Most sane warrior gameplay

[junior marsh]

bout to get outdpsd by a unholy dk

[noble oxide]

id rather drop sks

[worldly kernel]

I mean you can do that because all of the work is done for you already depending on the dungeon you're doing

[noble oxide]

fuck that button

in m+

[junior marsh]

skullsplitter?

[noble oxide]

yeah

[junior marsh]

big agree

[worldly kernel]

if you're arterial with mastery you want SKS it's a lot of damage

[junior marsh]

they need to give us big donk damage

im playing colossus

[noble oxide]

for sure, currently slayer though so debating dropping it for massacre or something

[shadow ibex]

Not buffed yet

I sleep

[worldly kernel]

disregard that i thought it was two different sentences

[noble oxide]

youre good

[worldly kernel]

you don't run SKS with slayer ( that i've seen )

[noble oxide]

im just complaining about sks

[worldly kernel]

its clunky and it got gutted which made no sense but whatever people complained about it enough when they changed it

[noble oxide]

big agree

[worldly kernel]

it's just better tailored for collosus because slayer already has good single target

[noble oxide]

what to take instead? im seeing mixed things on rio

[worldly kernel]

depends on the dungeon, most of the time I'm just playing jugg so i'm dropping all the bleed talents

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/DAOAUVFRFQhUVKSUUBAOVVBVURFFUGFUFQDRBAEVVVUBB this is what i run mostly in keys if I do play slayer

[noble oxide]

That does look fun

[worldly kernel]

10+ though i'm just only playing collosus I don't really play slayer

[edgy solstice]

try some out

slayer in keys gonna be dead on reset tho

[junior marsh]

whats ur colossus build

[worldly kernel]

i mean ive been playing slayer since the beginning I only swapped around like 2 weeks ago https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/colossus/DAOAUVFVFQgUVKSUUBAOVVEFVRFlUUFQFQCEFEVVVUBB this is usually what i run

[junior marsh]

my bum ass gear

[worldly kernel]

damn son NO crit

[edgy solstice]

tragic

[bronze wharf]

[junior marsh]

i just rerolled from fury

lemme alone

[manic river]

40 mastery 😆 new meta

[junior marsh]

damage 24/7

bleed gang

[edgy solstice]

good for colo

need that crit tho

[junior marsh]

this is cinema stats

[nova marsh]

What heresy is that

Buffs?

[manic river]

Hackers

[lunar obsidian]

stupid question but why is the bis gear on wowhead showing mostly crit mastery or haste mastery pieces when i thought crit > haste > mastery?

i obviously mean for the non set pieces

[nova marsh]

A. Cuz gear is never exactly bis stats all the time b. Don't listen to them aside from trinkets and cantrip items to shoot fot

Sims are wayyy more accurate then any bis list ever will be

[lunar obsidian]

yeah im just thinking of switching over from fury as i preferred arms before

[nova marsh]

Arms has always been fine

[manic river]

Welcome backkk

[lunar obsidian]

Thank you

[summer elbow]

Why my sim is spaming thunder clap in aoe?

[wary raft]

I was a bit skeptical as to how this would make my damage feel but man this feels great in keys

just got into pumper grp too only a 10 but 1.7m overall feels hella good

[manic river]

Is strenght of arms really good in M+ Colo? loosing those areas from OP feels bad

[wary raft]

theres 3 talent changes he mentioned in the message I replied to but yes feels good

[shadow ibex]

the aoe DN is awful

does like 2.2% of your overall

[manic river]

Oh really? I thought those lines were more competent on your overall performace in groups

[shadow ibex]

they dont hit very hard at all now

about as strong as a tclap with full demo stacks

[manic river]

Damn

That's so sad

[shadow ibex]

slightly worse than a tclap actually

[manic river]

well strength of arms it is until it gets buffed

[edgy solstice]

it's not awful. 2.5% overall for 1 talent point is ok

but SoA helps a lot on bosses

[latent moss]

good

fuck dn being all my aoe

[shadow ibex]

just not an interesting node as colossus OP doesn't feel as cracked as opportunist

still has 50% dmg amp tho but when you reach that you are probably sending a demo soon and losing it

[edgy solstice]

precise might should be ops too

[lethal acorn]

It only added 1.5% more damage on a 5 min patchwerk

SoA vs DN

[shadow ibex]

we dont have much options left with that point

grab EB or another BB if you running 1/2

[edgy solstice]

if only EB was combo instead

[shadow ibex]

well you'd actually have to get 2/2 BB otherwise you cant path downwards

to deft

[shadow ibex]

one day ill try eb mbg

[edgy solstice]

gonna throw your mouse when you dont have the rage for it

[lethal acorn]

Ravager won't let you rage starve

[shadow ibex]

demo makes me feel so pro since i have to charge weave

i think man my party must be so impressed

this guy is optimal!!!!

[edgy solstice]

plenty of opps to charge weave with all the mobs in siege running away

[shadow ibex]

not knowing i just want to play my game

[shadow ibex]

we gonna have 4 target council some point this expac

[elder nacelle]

is upgrading broken? I recrafted my weapon to 636 and I can't upgrade my prot weapon without crests now

[shadow ibex]

and colossus gonna get smited

[halcyon breach]

Relog and it should be fixed

[noble oxide]

This is what I just did. Just a smoother damage profile which is nice. Fury felt bad for me being top on some pulls and last in the others

And last on bosses

[edgy solstice]

prob still gonna be last on bosses but ya

[shadow ibex]

looking at MS tooltip dmg makes me cry

[edgy solstice]

same

[shadow ibex]

as slayer its almost the same as OP

[paper summit]

does anyone know what the discord server for wow boosting sales is? for gold of course.

[dire hinge]

No.

This is the arms channel. Lmk if you have arms questions.

[edgy solstice]

just hope they never make one again tbh

council fights suck

[clever bolt]

do any of you notice yourself stopping autos for like 2 globals after demolish? is there any way to help fix that?

[shadow ibex]

yea

its cursed

can /startattack macro i think

[clever bolt]

ill put that on my demolish and see if it helps

yeah no dont think that does anything, im pretty sure if your auto swing comes up during demolish its just delayed way longer than the cast time itself every time

i guess a micro optimization is only pressing demolish right after an auto to avoid it but man that feels ass

just let me auto during demolish 😦

[thorn pelican]

but then you would generate rage

and we cant have that

😔

[long fable]

Im finding arms to be oddly fun 😄

[next sphinx]

i decided to be nice pug a normal as prot for my homies, since we don't have a raid group atm. ended up getting rewarded with queen's mandate, treacherous transmitter AND a tier helmet. 🙏

[long fable]

do you guys prefer slayer or uh.. the other one

[thorn pelican]

prefer colo for m+ and slayer for st personally

but ive only done like 8s 🤷

[long fable]

what do you use for delves?

[balmy kindle]

Either Colo or slayer is fine

[steel sluice]

gotta love slayer to spiiiiinn

[long fable]

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-monke-monkey-spin-ape-gif-25078721

That reminds me.. Does uh.. Bladestorm benefit from sweeping strikes with that unhinged talent?

[raw sandal]

how often are you guys using d stance?

[minor gust]

often its on demand DR

[sturdy matrix]

#1237307732705415228 message

[teal fossil]

not anymore no

[long fable]

aww

[summer elbow]

Are we using thunder clap on aoe? My sim is turbo using it

[minor gust]

how else are you gonna spread rend

[long fable]

everything im reading suggests it yeah

[teal fossil]

link sim but yes

as long as there are targets without rend up then TC is very good

[noble oxide]

You gotta tab target like in classic

[long fable]

Im just happy tclap doesnt need rend on the main target to spread

[teal fossil]

bless

[long fable]

Can anyone help me make a Shift macro for rend where if I press shift it casts rend and if not does Tclap? trying to work my keybinds better

Oh wait Chatgpt did it

#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Rend; Thunder Clap is this accurate?

[muted drift]

#showtooltip
/cast [nomod] Rend
/cast [mod:shift] Thunderclap

Yours should work as well though

[long fable]

idk if yours does it but the one that I just posted changes the icon when you press shift which is neat

[muted drift]

Yea, I just tested them both just to see. They both do the same exact thing, yours is just in 1 line instead of seperated

[long fable]

ahhhh

[rain dock]

The one sh0tz made uses rend on shift and thunderclap by default
The other macro is vice nersa

[long fable]

yeah I wanted tclap default because this is my aoe build

also its an absolute sin that we cant get Mountainthane the interactions with thunderclap on arms with that wouldve been very fun

anyone know whats causing that yellow glow on my character?

second wind maybe?

Okay so its not second wind.. hm

[edgy solstice]

no clue

[steel sluice]

i almost wanna say sudden death from slayer with death dive

[cold narwhal]

Anyone knows out the top of their head, what their overall dmg is in SV. In my recent key I ended at 1.05m overall while a Paladin ended the Dungeon at 1.6 mil with same iLvl. Our DMG on Bosses was even around 1 mil. Im not sure what I could have done different to compete with that is it such big of a difference between these 2 classes on mobs?

[edgy solstice]

yea ret should always beat you

my SV overalls are usually 1.6 ish tho

[cold narwhal]

Slayer?

[edgy solstice]

nah colo

slayer dead in keys now, esp on reset

[cold narwhal]

I tryed it a couple of times but hate afking at bosses

[edgy solstice]

ya it's annoying

this was my last one

[cold narwhal]

Argh finna gonna give it another go

Just set up my DS emulator so will have something to do on boss fight atleast

does stats prio change for Colo? @edgy solstice

[edgy solstice]

ya a bit

crit>mast=vers=haste p much

but sim yourself ofc

[pearl nymph]

is there no arms colos warrior streaming? would like to see if it slaps like ppl saying in discord 🙂

[junior marsh]

im at 40% Mastery rn

cause i came from arms

F

[oblique lodge]

Question for the arms enjoyers ,will y'all go for colossus when slayer gets nerfed?

[steel sluice]

ill forever play slayer

only because i miss blade storm as a cooldown on ST and i dont like being rooted from demo, the axe already killed me enough

[livid cloak]

Being able to use leap during demolish is nice

I keep running my own key, I'm 2490 and i am getting kicked from 9s and 10s after they invite me. When they realize I'm not fury lol

It happened 4x yesterday

[arctic hearth]

Just que fury and swap inside😂

[livid cloak]

I refuse

[arctic hearth]

Fair, chad behavior

I wanted to start playing slayer for keys and raid but i guess im sticking to colo for keys now? 🥲

[livid cloak]

Got my st sim over a million in my colossus keys build

Feels strong

[chilly parcel]

Will we stick with Slayer for Raid, or swap to Colo?

[arctic hearth]

U got 620 ilvl with 636+ wep i assume?

[livid cloak]

Yea

[arctic hearth]

Im 613 with 619 wep 😦 2 more +9 and I can make big bonk wep✌️

[livid cloak]

Demolish also feel amazing on skarmorak and stitchflesh

[boreal quartz]

Using the free 619 on wep is unfortunately not ideal

But it's better than no wep

[livid cloak]

I got a lot of value out of my 619 wep

9s and 10s hard if you're not in a guild or with a grp

Had to grind

[boreal quartz]

Or just directly make a 636 and have extra crests for upgrades

Yes it's hard to pug the 90 Gilded

Agreed

[livid cloak]

Just having 90 gilded crests was the issue

[arctic hearth]

Still need to stop pressing the wrong buttons and learn some of the dungeons better tho.. dont got as much playtimebas i used to.. with que time i get 2-3 keys only most days

[livid cloak]

Also like

I would have a 619 bracer without "wasting the cresrs"

Instead of a 616

[boreal quartz]

I play keys maybe 2 days a week

[livid cloak]

So minimal loss

[arctic hearth]

Yeah def! Getting invited to +9 with 2150 Rio 613 ilvl as arms💀

[livid cloak]

No way that's gonna happen homey

[arctic hearth]

Got 3 +9 times and 1 failed 10(completed)

[boreal quartz]

Friends and guild is truly the cheatcode

[cyan urchin]

2150 rio and 613 ilvl is quite common tbh

[arctic hearth]

How many hours do you play on those two days? Been away since friday, fingers itching to play lol. I also havent been above 2k Rio ever, usually play 1 month, do hc raid and quit or make to many alts and dont get anywhere :p sticking to warrior this time tho🔥

[arctic hearth]

Yup, a lot of dps with same or better gear/rio and better class/spec :p

[boreal quartz]

Like i raid 3 hours twice and then maybe 3-5h of keys total

Mainly asking friends beforehand in discord

Or seeing they need 1 slot and i hop in

[livid cloak]

All my friends are stuck in 7s and 8s

[boreal quartz]

I have friends who previously got m+ title and are now just casually doing their 10s n stuff

Works out nicely

[arctic hearth]

Yeah friends who do +9/10 is a cheat code for sure 🙂

[boreal quartz]

Just gotta be nice to ppl

[livid cloak]

I wonder if crit flask would be better than the all stats rotating one

I should get out of bed and sim

🛌

[boreal quartz]

Doubt it

I think youll end up going versa flask

For most content

[austere hamlet]

I snagged a nice opportunist wa in here that popped instantly when it procced, but I cant find it now. does anyone know where I might find it again?

[arctic hearth]

Yeah just got outnof bed myself 😂 (chill weekend @ the cabin)

[boreal quartz]

I can link it 1 sec

https://wago.io/Q5KkvQ0m2

[austere hamlet]

thats it, thx a ton

[balmy kindle]

Lol it's not wtf unless you are spamming invites all day

Or have dedicated friends playing keys

[neon niche]

Chad arms player peak

Dpsing straight from Mr. bobby kottick’s yacht while sipping on the finest champagne and chilling with the hottest chicks

[cyan urchin]

When i list a key +9 key there is a lot of ppl above 2k1 and 613 ilvl tagging. 2k-2k1 is the average

[balmy kindle]

I am 613 and I am like 1800, there's guys who are near 620 below 2k

2000-2100 is only average if u consider healing and tanks ( whom can fail upwards anyways)

I am not 100% discounting you as +9s are definitely doable at that ilvl range, but from a purely pugging pov its a doubt for me

[cyan urchin]

Of you think so, i always tag my key and for 7+ to 9+, 2k and at least 610 ilvl is the average

[balmy kindle]

2000 would imply the guy has cleared 7-8s timed which is not easy to do as a pug

If you have guildies doing it with you then gz, but most of us don't

Esp keys like GB, ara-kara and DB are not easy to join as well, like I myself I only have the most success applying to NW , SOB and mists

Ain't got no time sitting in the lobby spamming invites on specific keys

[slow saddle]

I had 19xx after week 1 😅( m+ release) just puggin wasnt to bad

[summer elbow]

Hi.. Build? Thanks

[slow saddle]

Bad part was coomin back now🤣, and not being able to get into any keys😄

[balmy kindle]

there's alot of guys with low io but 620+

maybe its raid loggin or just shelling money for boosts idk

[slow saddle]

Ye im like 614

I mean luck in hcs will get u there

Got a 10 done this week( not timed) gb... we died a couple times.

A couple = 13 times😅

[balmy kindle]

yeah margin for error in the upper ranges is very low

there's somewhat a dps check as well as mechanics

[slow saddle]

But when we hit liken 625/630 10s are gonns be easy

[balmy kindle]

if there'

[slow saddle]

15ilvls is a lot

[balmy kindle]

any players left by then 🤣

[slow saddle]

Ye i dont considee dungeons overtuned

Ppl just think 10 should be puggable at 610?i guess

With sub optimal gear

🤣

[balmy kindle]

its more of your average monke at 619 doesnt really play at 100%

[slow saddle]

Well that as well🤣🤣

[balmy kindle]

the current tuning is like, you cant even any players below 100%

so for guys who are really good yes nothing changed

[slow saddle]

I meeean

[balmy kindle]

but your average pug POV is suffering

[slow saddle]

Above 9 yes

I kindda agree

I rly rly feel of healer is somewhat poor

Healers wanted more reaponsibility

Now many crumble

[balmy kindle]

heck once its 7 its alr quite annoying

since you cant tell people how to play

esp when u are brown class

[slow saddle]

Ye reroll ret

Man ret slaps

[balmy kindle]

melee dps is prolly the worst

for pugging anyways

healer and tanks

can fail upwards

[slow saddle]

Ye dungeons hate melee

[balmy kindle]

i mean, you wanna play a wimpy shaman

[slow saddle]

But mainly issue is always space.

[balmy kindle]

or a big guy wth sword

[slow saddle]

So 1 melee good 2 melee hell🤣

And 1 melee u tale fdk or ret

[balmy kindle]

i actually think melee stacks are kind of strong outside of ara-kara

[slow saddle]

Heck rogue slaps

[balmy kindle]

lol pretty sure rogue aint doing too hot either

[slow saddle]

Strong but riskt

Assasin slaps

[balmy kindle]

yeap if u are good at the spec

[slow saddle]

Outlaw does.better than warrior and got a st buff

[balmy kindle]

doesnt apply to 99% of the plyerbase

[slow saddle]

Ok, dno im quite avg on alts

[balmy kindle]

not discounting you

[slow saddle]

But last tier i had pala + dk played tank qnd healer

[balmy kindle]

its just msot of the time i am on top as brown class

[slow saddle]

Havent tried rogue

[slow saddle]

Ah ye i mean i dont count avg pugs

But when ret csn press buttons he wins

[balmy kindle]

the annyoing thing is ret

below me

i dont know what is that guy doing

[slow saddle]

Fdk... hmm lost to 1 last time

I mean when it happens often they die🤣

[balmy kindle]

bruh dont mention it, dks be like whats death advance 🤯

[summer elbow]

Guys you think taking colossus for m+ is a better option? How good is the st?

[balmy kindle]

its passable but are taking colo for aoe

[summer elbow]

Like how much % is colo dmg ahead from slayer?

[slow saddle]

0?

-9%?

[slow saddle]

Mainly its dks that arw forced into breath spec but are bad at it🤣

Those i bear

T

[balmy kindle]

funny thing is FDK is not even gated into BoS spec now so they can actually just play the ape oblit spec

[slow saddle]

Presumed bos was a bit better

[balmy kindle]

breath is usually better if u can get extended uses and in big pulls

[slow saddle]

When i tqmk u can

Once i can live shit🤣

[boreal quartz]

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