arms

[inner wasp]

gg

i mean something

[quasi torrent]

someone decipher this WA for me

[teal fossil]

That’s a true statement yes

[inner wasp]

is that for the 2 buffs

thats so rad actually

[terse plume]

okay just double checking making sure Im not playing like ass on top of the profile XD

[teal fossil]

This feels like it’s counting buff stacks

[quasi torrent]

bro...

[inner wasp]

2 stacks of EP, 2 stacks of opportunity

thats rad

[terse plume]

I hate it

where

XD

[inner wasp]

i need it

give me NOW

[quasi torrent]

https://wago.io/uLDjyWff7

its the

bad tracker for opportunist

(im not using event dispatcher, just LBs)

[halcyon hull]

Anyone have a ST Colossus M+ build to recommend?

[inner wasp]

bad tracker??

[quasi torrent]

opportunist procs like

halfway through the global

(same with LB)

[shadow ibex]

its awful

[quasi torrent]

but u can track this on tact resets

[inner wasp]

oh i noticed that too

[quasi torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/781981140009091075/1291526210500956190/image.png?ex=67006b03&is=66ff1983&hm=c5cdaded267dab8382cfb0cfed9d9a83326600d6ce3d930e044bda9761de3ef3&

[west wasp]

why do we not take battle lord anymore?

[dreamy egret]

its so nice having 500k hp less than people my equivalent ilvl

[manic stirrup]

wdym arms gear you have 15% haste

[dry frost]

I have a seperate neck and ring, I just use my best simming stuff lol

Im still only like 17% haste on arms but like 28% crit

[teal fossil]

It lost the op damage

That’s really it

[silk spade]

🐐

[leaden vine]

is transmitter actually bis cus ive simmed like 10 times and it tells me detachable fang and mandate is better than transmitter in any variation

but spreadsheet and bloodmallet have it as bis

[inner wasp]

that'd mess up the eyes tho

[quasi torrent]

no it wouldn't

rn the right number is just Lethal blows relates

youd just count that up on tact reset...

[inner wasp]

but tact reset dont cap at 2

[quasi torrent]

Okay but just add a variable

[inner wasp]

idk what variables are bro i got a d in geometry

[quasi torrent]

Also you kinda never go past 2

• could just put the < to show when >=2

many ways

But this is jus a lil silly

[inner wasp]

it doesnt reset at 2 tho

[quasi torrent]

it does when u press MS...

[inner wasp]

tact resets?

do not

..

[quasi torrent]

okay but u just tell it to reset the counter

[quick vale]

is colossus/juggernaut worth playing around with?

[quasi torrent]

on ms press lol

[inner wasp]

u can do that?

[quasi torrent]

computer smart!

yes u can

or well, i can

[inner wasp]

yea im not some wizard i dont do magic...

[quasi torrent]

but im not doing it cause effort

lua gives me headache

wow apis give me even more headache

[shadow ibex]

14 hits from 1 cast

0 crits

demolish btw

[balmy kindle]

someone has no crit gear

[shadow ibex]

[balmy kindle]

My condolences

[shadow ibex]

the 1.4 mil non crit

[thick hamlet]

hello arms brothers, i am from the future

come Novernermeber, colossus will be BiS and you'll stack crit+mastery

thank you

[muted drift]

is the arm opener on wowhead decent?

[balmy kindle]

Nice can we go there now

[manic stirrup]

worst mortal strike luck ever recorded

unfortunate

[minor gust]

never look at it unless you wanna go insane

[manic stirrup]

i noticed all 3 parries

so i had to check to see if i missed any

[balmy kindle]

Getting parried in raids

[fringe moon]

anyody have a WA for the last boss on ara-kara?

[inner wasp]

does patchwerk sim never go into execute

idk if it does or dont

[teal fossil]

It does

[inner wasp]

for how long if 5 min?

that prob partially explains why i cant meet my sims lol

[manic stirrup]

scroll down

when it starts using execute consistently

[teal fossil]

Just sim target dummy

If you wanna compare sims

[inner wasp]

oh i didnt see that option

i eat glue

[teal fossil]

Only been playing this game for 6+ years

Rookie mistake

[inner wasp]

i think ive only got like 7 or 8

its over 4 me

[near ice]

why in the holy fuck are we getting ST nerfed

[inner wasp]

blizz desperately trying to get warrior 1tricks to try a different class

[near ice]

its already painful enough watching nexus princess for 15-20 secs when you get a mechanic

lets just fuck our ST even more

[inner wasp]

timewalking is this tuesday

level a dk, level a pally

play one rn, have the other on standby for when one of those gets nerfed too

[near ice]

already got them 620 xd

[inner wasp]

gg

shammy?

[near ice]

need at least one war ya know

shout

xd

ggs

[inner wasp]

oof ur the token warrior

my condolences

[river ridge]

But I re-progged Half of Nylotha on my BM hunter. Why do I have to paly something else T_T

[inner wasp]

at least now u have flightstone discounts

shits cheapo now

[nova marsh]

I know not of these fightstones

ONLY OF VALOR

[inner wasp]

ill make u know my valor

.......

[nova marsh]

insert evrey single odyn speech eveer

[river ridge]

fuck that guy

[inner wasp]

we LOVE odyn here

[nova marsh]

No I'm with him

Fuck odyn. Prick

[river ridge]

I should change my name to #1 Odyn Hater

[inner wasp]

should be kicked out of skyhold

@ val'kyr

[nova marsh]

Odyns fury?

More like odyns tantrum

[river ridge]

Truuuu

[formal badge]

How do I get gud? I feel like despite having a high-ish ilvl (610) I still struggle to do damage

[teal fossil]

hekili

[inner wasp]

dont let him tempt u to the dark side...

get ur logs reviewed like a good samaritan

[barren cave]

Will colossus get any more viable with the anniversary patch? I wanna make a Space Marine kul tiran

[teal fossil]

its plenty viable in keys

[barren cave]

Ehh I'm not really a key guy

I am but not really sweaty

I just don't want to lose to Fury wars or slayer Arms

[shy dove]

hey guys what is the other health potion that doesn't share a CD with algari potion
it is a combat potion
idk the name

[dusty summit]

Yes, tempered something something it’s a yellow potion icon

[visual fern]

Yellow MS 2 = tier (lethal blows)
Green MS 1 = OP buff

Green execute 2 = executioner's precision

If anyone wants
To reduce weakaura clutter for lethal blows/EP/OP buff
Just dm me

[balmy kindle]

I mean Colo is pretty solid in m+ with the shockwave nodes and massive aoe focus

For ST and raids it's gonna need alot of buffs to beat slayer though

[inland glacier]

Tempered Potion

[balmy kindle]

Damage is highly dependent on your groups though, my heroic prog parses is pretty rekt too since there's no consistency.

[still fox]

link from WA or where can i get it? 😄

[visual fern]

Send dm I'll send them all out in morning

I can only send the ms/execute ones since I modded those while rest of the pack is atrocity UI

[still fox]

ah nice 👍🏻

[arctic hearth]

Doesnt atrocity have the ms Numbers already?

[foggy void]

I assume you are talking about the Cavedweller's Potion since that shares a Combat Potion CD and not a healing potion CD?

[visual fern]

Dunno, asked a friend who got TWW pack and was told he doesn't so I made it for us

I'm just modding my pack from DF

[inner wasp]

wonder if i could take ur ms aura and frankenstein it into luxthos' auras

[boreal quartz]

Easily

You just add 2 triggers to baseline ms and two texts

[inner wasp]

yea ig i could just do that myself huh

[boreal quartz]

And just copy how garm did it

[inner wasp]

doesnt fix tier tracking being slow as buawls tho

[boreal quartz]

There's was for it

Without delay

[inner wasp]

no uwu tracker no play

[vale gorge]

On a 8 key, I do 1m overall while a ret do 1m2 with the same ilevel. It's really annoying

[boreal quartz]

I mean 1 mil in an 8 isnt much

Not is 1.2

[reef glade]

how do i lose 1k dps quick

[visual fern]

Sim again

Pray for variance

Lock in a suboptimal gem

Etc

[icy hawk]

Is rend completely replace by thunderclap on st?

[edgy solstice]

yes

[inner wasp]

1.2 is like totally reasonable innit

critcake lost to a ret doing 1.2 innit

[edgy solstice]

negligible gain pressing rend over tc

[icy hawk]

🫡

[vapid igloo]

What was that one OGCD cooldown we used to have a few years ago?

[raw dagger]

heroic strike

[vapid igloo]

[visual fern]

Hamstring

[vapid igloo]

I feel like it had a picture of a dude's face, can't remember the name of it for the life of me

Legion era I think

[astral yarrow]

this is you @daring heron

shit he isnt online

Focused Rage is the spell

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=207982/focused-rage @vapid igloo

[vapid igloo]

Oh hell yeah

Thanks bb

Make ToM worthwhile to take again > Make IP proc ToM, AM, and Tactician > Give us Focused Rage > Make our cooldowns actually fucking line up again

I'm sending in a letter to blizz hq

[vital summit]

Oh hell fucking no... I still have PTSD from Focused Rage since Legion

[vapid igloo]

The good kind of PTSD right

[vital summit]

yea going 1 min straight without CS reset procs

that was my breaking point I switched to prot

but I had shittiest Legiondaries possible tho

[vapid igloo]

Oof

That'll do it lol

I one banged my BiS first try and then didn't play another character until they fixed the legiondary acquisition

[vital summit]

My first one was sephuz ring

[vapid igloo]

[balmy kindle]

Nay, it's a love and hate thing

[vapid igloo]

Do not utter that name

[vital summit]

literally the worst stats

[vapid igloo]

We do not speak of Sephuz ring

[vital summit]

it was dps loss equiping it

[vapid igloo]

Okay ig not everyone loved Focused Rage but I did :(

I just want an OGCD offensive spender to spice up ToM windows

[vital summit]

I actually really liked it on prot

[sharp wyvern]

You should have played s1 and S2 Df

We had ignore pain

[vapid igloo]

Oh I did

[vapid igloo]

.

It was fucking awesome, I loved it

[edgy solstice]

or

[vapid igloo]

And then they ruined it because old men couldn't handle 64 APM 😠

[edgy solstice]

remove ToM and put in a good talent instead

[astral yarrow]

i was a sephuz into prydaz enjoyer

[vapid igloo]

What the fuck

[astral yarrow]

then when they fixed leggo drop chance i got the leap shoulders

[balmy kindle]

ToM for me was very polarising also, using that during DF S2 was kinda ehhh

Not sure if good, or we should have something better

[astral yarrow]

then they did the "if you havent received a spec legendary yet, chances are increased... unless you've gotten ones that work for all specs kek"

[vapid igloo]

I'm scared of what Blizzard thinks is "better" at this point lol

I liked ToM, I liked a little OGCD action

[vital summit]

I went sephuz > healing bracers > prot bis gloves > arms bis gloves > arms bis ring

[edgy solstice]

well if them buffing Slam like 13 times during DF is any indication of what they think Arms should be pressing

[balmy kindle]

I am simple I just like Fat mortal strikes

[vapid igloo]

[balmy kindle]

Also not pressing slam thanks blizz

[vapid igloo]

I still refuse to press it as much as possible

[astral yarrow]

so you just afk in ST or what

[vital summit]

Bring Back MoP slam

[balmy kindle]

In our ST u needa press it for tact procs

[edgy solstice]

remove tact

[vapid igloo]

Sometimes I'll just itch my ear

[edgy solstice]

[vapid igloo]

Your opinions on this class confuse me

[visual fern]

That was me on every char except DH

[edgy solstice]

wait til you see my opinions of mcdonalds dipping sauces

[visual fern]

Seph + pry + armor generic as my first 3

DH was generic + pry + class ring

Guess I'm maining dh

[astral yarrow]

almost rerolled DH cause it got glaive bracers -> bis ring thingy -> eye beam head

[vapid igloo]

Honey > Sweet and Sour > Buffalo >= BBQ

However they don't give you enough honey so I never get it

[edgy solstice]

Hot mustard better than everything you said

[vapid igloo]

I forgot about hot mustard

[visual fern]

When DH stopped using dblades for passive rage, I swapped arms

[vapid igloo]

that's based though

hot mustard slams

[edgy solstice]

no not slam

[vapid igloo]

oh god

[vital summit]

Homemade Habanero sauce > chemicals from McDonald

[astral yarrow]

yeah miss me with pressing demons bite

[edgy solstice]

nah im trying to expedite my time off of this shit game. gimme all the chemicals

[vapid igloo]

DH's back on passive rage talent now

[visual fern]

Yah but momentum is watered down

[edgy solstice]

where are all the havocs

[visual fern]

Before it was pool for 3 GCD > dash > dump

[edgy solstice]

i never see any in pugs

[visual fern]

Momentum didn't extend

[vapid igloo]

Inertia + Aldrachi Reaver is half decent fun

[balmy kindle]

I boosted havoc my self, it's not very fun to play

[visual fern]

My zoomer brain

[balmy kindle]

Very repetitive on fel scarred

[vapid igloo]

Fel Scarred is AWFUL gameplay, just go Aldrachi ngl

[balmy kindle]

Aldrachi is fun but kind of wonky

[vital summit]

I love aldrachi

[balmy kindle]

It has a nice flow, fel scarred feels very anemic outside meta

[astral yarrow]

feeling like Fragnance flicking the camera around doing VR without dropping AAs or boss uptime

full zoomer

[vital summit]

that's how hero talents should have been for classes

[visual fern]

Bro he was my first wow streamer

I've picked up so many bad habits from him

[edgy solstice]

damn

[astral yarrow]

i started playing warrior in MoP because of him i think

[edgy solstice]

my first was Athene

[astral yarrow]

his taste in music sucks omega wang though

[vapid igloo]

I think my first was Fernando.. Or Magnus

[visual fern]

Have you heard my taste in stream music

[vapid igloo]

Don't remember

[visual fern]

[vapid igloo]

Or Sodapoppin if you count him xD

[astral yarrow]

bro half the warrior players listen to growling im sure

[visual fern]

Tf is growling

[astral yarrow]

and here i am just vibing to lofi

[vital summit]

we gamerdads grow up on Swifty

[edgy solstice]

ya it's either death metal or turbo edm

[visual fern]

turbo edm

[astral yarrow]

like alter bridge

[visual fern]

Tf is alter bridge

[edgy solstice]

ok hold up

how tf is alter bridge growling

LMAO

[astral yarrow]

guys who sing like goddesses and then suddenly decide its time to sound like a demon

its horrendous

[vital summit]

I'm growling myself ❤️

[edgy solstice]

alter bridge is what Creed turned into after their singer became a druggie

[vapid igloo]

Me and my gf share a WoW playlist that's half made of my metal and half her brain fucking EDM

lmao

[edgy solstice]

i have yet to find a warr streamer that's not myself that listens to rap/trap/etc

[visual fern]

@astral yarrow

[edgy solstice]

not counting pvpers

[thick kelp]

idk sometimes I miss click my Bones playlist when im raiding

[visual fern]

Before I found out Bassnectar was

Human

[edgy solstice]

Bones is solid

[thick kelp]

Also Gromnak listens to lot of rap

[vapid igloo]

You can come watch me stream in discord bb

[astral yarrow]

ill take that any day

give me trance, edm, dubstep whatever

[edgy solstice]

yeah i also don't really watch streamers ever so idk why i said that

[astral yarrow]

as long as it isnt growling

[edgy solstice]

there's rap with growling too if you're into that

[vapid igloo]

98% of it is fucking garbage ngl

[edgy solstice]

every time spotify radio puts ghostemane on, i wanna kms tho

[vapid igloo]

I love rap and metal but god dman that shit is trash lol

[thick kelp]

using spotify radio :horror

[edgy solstice]

there's some ok ones

Witchhouse 40k is good

warlord colossus

gotta be in the mood for that shit tho

[vapid igloo]

iamjakehill does it decently sometimes but sometimes he

is just cringe

[edgy solstice]

ya

[vapid igloo]

warlord colossus is the same, sometimes good sometimes cringe

ghostemane vibes for sure

Idk, I went deep into Horrorcore for a couple years only to come out the other side still just listening to Suicideboys

[vital summit]

Go full yolo into grindcore

[vapid igloo]

[edgy solstice]

sboys just got too much catalog

[vapid igloo]

Too mongoloidian for me

[vital summit]

Grindcore concerts are actually the most fun you can have being a metalhead

absolutely unhinged

[vapid igloo]

It's actually fucking ridiculous how big $B discography is. Most recent album has some fucking slappers too

[vital summit]

toilet papets flying around

[vapid igloo]

Us Vs Them one of my $B all timers

[edgy solstice]

happy they blew up

at one point i was hoping Trio stomped them out but the opposite happened xd

[vapid igloo]

Oh I bet, everyone in the crowd probably gets reduced to caveman levels

[vital summit]

Gaze upon this magnificence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anh0Kn9nGV4

[vapid igloo]

idek who that is

[edgy solstice]

Devilish Trio, they were beefing with sboys awhile back

[vapid igloo]

Ohhh yeah yeah

[edgy solstice]

They gotta a lot of good shit too but they split up. They were stealing money from each other or something lol

[vapid igloo]

My buddy kept playing them in the car but it all ended up sounding the same to me

true of $B as well i suppose

[vapid igloo]

This concert experience does seem fucking awesome but I prefer something slightly more cerebral in my daily listening

Kublai Khan

[vital summit]

well then just slap in some Judas Priest

[vapid igloo]

Great music - too old for daily listening

not my era

[edgy solstice]

ya i love heavy stuff but needs to be at the gym or something

[vapid igloo]

Gym and M+ for me lmao

and Street Fighter 6 sessions

[edgy solstice]

cant normally listen to Meshuggah while i'm cooking

[vital summit]

Doom Eternal soundtrack does it

[vapid igloo]

You could tho

[edgy solstice]

if i ever decide to commit arson sure

[vapid igloo]

Some of this while you're cooking up fried rice? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lsnTQyGI78&ab_channel=SeasonofMist

That's good stuff brotherman

[boreal quartz]

Depends on key

If ur in a wake and at 2 Mil before 2nd boss

Then 1.2 doesnt look good

[visual fern]

I also love heavy stuff at the gym

Like the songs me and my exes used to listen to together....

[edgy solstice]

nelly furtado at the gym works too

[edgy solstice]

listening to these lyrics is like going into #fury and just reading

doesn't make any sense

[vapid igloo]

I don't think it's supposed to make sense

Been listening to this band for 6 years and I don't know a single word to any song

the true metal experience

[edgy solstice]

you'll get a new one brother. that's why you're there probably

[vapid igloo]

I've also adopted music from my ex into my gym playlist

Shit aint even gotta be heavy it'll just make you mad anyways

[edgy solstice]

opposite for me. my exs always steal my music so i gotta find new shit to listen to

[vital summit]

well my 1 year old son dances when I play him some Slaughter to Prevail or Infant Annihilator

[edgy solstice]

except my current one only listens to christmas music and chappell roan

[vital summit]

or laughs maniacally when I throat sing to him

[vapid igloo]

christmas music?

[edgy solstice]

ya

and lofi ofc

mostly lofi which im good with

[vapid igloo]

Are we talkin' like

Nat King christmas music

or Mariah Carey christmas music

[edgy solstice]

like jingles and mariah carey

bieber

[vapid igloo]

My condolences

[edgy solstice]

could be worse

[vapid igloo]

Could always be worse lol

[vital summit]

Could be Amber Heard worse

[edgy solstice]

[spark kraken]

just saw a video on an arms warrior doing a +12 and killing the meters… is arms that good in m+?

[edgy solstice]

it's ok

[spark kraken]

is fury still best for m+?

[inner wasp]

not for long

xddddddd

[spark kraken]

lol true

[inner wasp]

warr being demoted to 2 spec class so dh feels less lonely

[daring heron]

nighthold arms my beloved

[edgy solstice]

fury will prob still be better but closer at least

[inner wasp]

if u baby pull maybe

[edgy solstice]

jugg will be dead in keys tho

[inner wasp]

fury already cant compete w/ ret w/ an 8 target cap

wtf it gonna do at 5

xd

[edgy solstice]

yeah

neither can arms tho

[spark kraken]

my 605 ilvl ret does the same if not better than my 623 fury warrior as far as overall damage goes in +10

not ideal

[vapid igloo]

See I'm not the only one who loved Legion Arms D:

BRING ME BACK

[vital summit]

I'm biased because Legiondaries :<

[edgy solstice]

Arms was good tho

Prob the best raiding xpac too

But I hated almost everything else about legion

[astral yarrow]

faiiirly certain thats a you issue, not a warrior issue

im sorry

[plain solstice]

You’re sorry for being wrong

[astral yarrow]

[astral talon]

It will be back, trust me I know my sources

[coarse glade]

got the shoulders 4th time by now, im just running god damn boralus haha

i just want my ring

[vapid igloo]

I've given up on M+ already

Worst season in existence

gl though

🫡

[sage igloo]

Season is fine just not in pugs, which is 95% of my runs

[jovial oriole]

is it normal to have too much rage as arms

[boreal quartz]

Outside of exe yes

[jovial oriole]

ty ty

[wraith cave]

possible to have a macro where if i press the button its on on player ie me

and shift to make it mouse over cast

basically my goal is make ravager go off on me when needed and some times throw at a mob far away at cursor during lets say where i want to dps adds on boss which are enroute but not stop dps onboss.

so normal click on player
shift click at cursor

[boreal quartz]

That can work yea

But im shit at macros

@dire hinge any elp?

[vapid igloo]

If you're making it a shift modifier anyways you could easily just separate it into two macros on two different buttons

Oh wait you said "click"

[wraith cave]

what u said is also true its bound to a button

i can just throw another macro for shift samebutton

one @ cursor one @ player

i guess

[vapid igloo]

yeh

not as cool as having it on one button, but it's the same functionality

[halcyon wolf]

on st execute phase, should we wait for both two stacks from execute and overpower before pressing mortal strike, or just use it with two stacks from execute?

[plucky fern]

i feel you brother im still running those damn stonevaults and grim batols to see any trinket, i got every single piece of loot already that can drop except for what i need

[raw dagger]

Mortal Strike to refresh Rend, or with with 2x Executioner's Precision and 2x Lethal Blows

[plucky fern]

and its two worst dungeons in season

im so pissed running that shit 3-5 times a day already

[halcyon wolf]

got it, thanks

[echo monolith]

if i am at max rage and got an Opportunist proc, should i still prioritize overpower over MS?

[neon niche]

Yes cause tactician may reset op by hitting ms

But that wouldn’t be considerable dps gain or loss I think, maybe if u keep doing it long therm

[echo monolith]

i guess its easier gameplay wise too, to just hit the shiny button

😛

[boreal quartz]

More maste more good

[austere willow]

But they're running haste/vers

[fallow lion]

hey guys, why some arms in M+ dont use Warbreaker and go with Blunt instrument?

[boreal quartz]

The more haste you have the more iftk gives

[austere willow]

LOL

WRONG CHANNEL

[boreal quartz]

It gives u more haste and more st

[nova marsh]

Because of better st and higher IFTK uptime

And it's all for a relatively small aoe loss overall

[fallow lion]

ohh thanks

[manic river]

Warbreaker right now doesn't have any interaction like BI has with in for the kill

So in a stupid state of affairs it doesn't have many advantages despite being the aoe talents

It's just stupid

[nova marsh]

It's true, but honestly I don't think it's awful

[manic river]

Still the devs should take notice and change warbreaker

[nova marsh]

But then again I like having actual ST in keys

[nova marsh]

How?

Give it more damage after they neelrfed it

[manic river]

I mean, if its not being used for it's main purpose of aoe then the talent right now is wrong

that means it needs to be updated, when idk

[nova marsh]

Okay, instead of saying it needs to be updated, let's say how it needs to be updated

Like I dunno, maybe wb increases cleave damage by x

[manic river]

Maybe idk, that's the devs job

[burnt lake]

gotta love that they are nerfing slayer arms. so now theres NO reason to play slayer over colossus

(would rather play slayer)

[vital summit]

Slayer is still better isn't it?

[summer elbow]

so fuck fury, ill be arms.. anyone with colossus aoe build can link their raid bots to sim the aoe? thanks

[wanton sierra]

someone marked me, nerfs and tunnin stil not cuurrently runnin right?

[regal stump]

Is the damage amp from warbreaker on aoe negligible to make BI the better option? doing 30% dmg on a pack with cleave/bs doesn't sound insignificant

[blissful pier]

Is arms going to be better after the nerfs?

[arctic hearth]

Its 1 channel up from arms channel

[spare laurel]

mb colossus, since slayer is getting nerfed

[blissful pier]

Thank you!

[spark kraken]

go play a ret pally and get back to me on this

[inland tartan]

this season has been suffering for a casual pushing w/ pugs.

[manic river]

Which updates are in already and which ones are still waiting for the 20th annyversary patch or another one?

I'm guessing the last ones appearing are not in the game yet

[astral talon]

Hard hard would I int if I went colossus on ovinax mythic?

[daring heron]

can see it working

[astral talon]

Thats all I needed to hear

Once my guild gets there, hopefully next week, I'll do maximum padding

[neon niche]

blessed by critcake just do it

[austere river]

Anybody else noticed the Sureakian endless arsenal is not giving the stats the trinket promises, trinket itself says parry should be around 470

[quasi torrent]

Did you check character sheet?

tooltips are not very good quite frequently

specifically buff tooltips

(check ANY dot in m+, different reason, simular problem)

[austere river]

i did, value was with quick math around the 178

def not 400-500

[astral talon]

🙏

[arctic iris]

I think there's a few ways to fix it, but most of them involve changing baseline CS and Blunt Instruments

I think the core of the problem is that adding 3 seconds to Colossus Smash is too good for Warbreaker to compete. I would roll that duration boost into baseline CS then make it so that Blunt Instruments does something else less vital, like maybe slightly increase the damage amp from CS

[grand idol]

Tank effects are nerfed for dps and vice versa. Did you try speccing prot to see if it was full value?

[placid swallow]

Guys is there any difference between crafted Axe or Sword? I saw that we use the sword in our BiS gear when i was going to craft the axe

[daring heron]

doesnt matter

[jolly apex]

I think axe is cheaper to make so I'd go for that

Atleast it was when I crafted mine

[placid swallow]

Yeah i was going for axe for that reason

[placid swallow]

Alright thanks!

[neon niche]

look for the cheaper mats

[tiny dock]

sword because I can craft it

[honest lily]

hey guys! kinda new to warrior dps. i wanna try to pratice my rotation on a dummy. i notice when i sim..theres a lot of execute from when the mob is about to die ( on sim) is there a way to remove the last executes ( cause im on a dummy) to have a more real number ? ( sorry for my bad english im a french canadian doing my best lol )

[dire hinge]

I don’t remember if it removes execute phase, but you can get a more accurate number for that by making one change: Down at the bottom, change your sim to be a “target dummy” instead of “patchwerk”.

[honest lily]

@dire hinge cool! didnt know that! i will give a try! thx

[arctic hearth]

There are dummies you can execute also

[lean geode]

There is also a dummy in Dornogal that goes down to 1hp you can use for practicing execute

[honest lily]

just want a dummy to see if my rotation is ok.i simed my dps and wanted to see if i can be near that but with all the execute at the end its hard to be near that..but with the dummy setting..im good

[austere river]

i was in prot spec

[cyan timber]

Dont sim for dps numbers, it doesnt represent reality, just sim for potential gear upgrades.

[honest lily]

@cyan timber it dont represent reality but its help to see if i understand the roation correctly..that all i wanted to know

[neon niche]

also helps with default rotation optimization

[honest lily]

that!

[cyan timber]

What i mean is, the rotation its used for the specific sim you are looking at is 1 out of thousands of iterations reliant on rng. Aslong as you follow the priority of our rotation you are playing correct. What the sim shows isnt really founded on the correct rotatiin, but the dps in all that specific rng.

Its a bad way to use statistical models : p

[willow coral]

did arm get nerfed again?

[cyan timber]

#updates-midnight

[jade cargo]

@sage badge imagine what time we live
@daring heronstart to ignoring me in his Twitch

[boreal quartz]

He's ignoring warrior it's joever

Critdk rises

[sage badge]

I'm an ele shaman

[lean geode]

Fdk is good for the first time in forever and Deswind is playing ele ?????

[boreal quartz]

Based

[jade cargo]

@boreal quartzi am not an ordinary warrior
how one can ignoring hes Ancestors

Papa Arms

[thick kelp]

Found this out when I went on your youtube to find a fresh arms warrior talent set but it was only ele shaman

[sage badge]

But I started gearing warr though

605 already

[astral talon]

Traitor 😦

[sage badge]

Although it's prot atm

[astral talon]

Not even enh

[boreal quartz]

Do you play dudes or lightning on ele

[sage badge]

Stormbringer in keys. Farseer for raid

[boreal quartz]

I wish i got to play s4 build still

That shit was gas

[sage badge]

Although farseer in keys still pumps. Might be good for certain dungeons. Dunno

[boreal quartz]

I just wanna meatball

[sage badge]

The rework for ele looks fun

[thick kelp]

my ele says farseer is ethical for key

[sage badge]

Ascendance being a big burst cd

[boreal quartz]

Ill look into shamoon mkre

Definitely fave alt rn

I like all 3 specs

[sage badge]

I think with fort and tyran being on 12s+, to me, it seems better to clear trash faster and have more time for the bosses. I'm barely doing 12s right now, just finishing 11s so might change my opinion when I get there.

[tiny dock]

whoa whoa whoa last time I checked this was skyhold

jks keep talking im just teasing

[sage badge]

Arms owns

[astral talon]

Always

[tiny dock]

Im gonna take the plunge and switch back to arms

[boreal quartz]

Defo

More fun

[tiny dock]

i literally only stuck with fury because levelling as fury just felt easier

and then the added bonus of being absolutely fucking yoked on heroic dungeon week

[lean geode]

Fury is suffering for our heroic week sins the rest of the season

[jade cargo]

@tiny dockthis is my channel - i allow all kind of talks

[tiny dock]

[thick kelp]

[astral talon]

Someone took over transmog?

[jade cargo]

i looked there - transmog channel is dadedadeaded

so many shit transmogs

[astral talon]

Rip

[jade cargo]

i dont know why blizz isnt allow thing in wow like in diablo

so many good looking sets there

[quasi torrent]

todu go back to bed old man

[astral yarrow]

[tiny dock]

god bless shirly put out an arms guide

🧑‍🍳

[sonic plume]

hey there. maybe a dumb question. why do i press rend on singletarget and not thunderclap? is there a difference?

[cyan timber]

Yes there is, but barely worth mentioning

[sonic plume]

ah okay. so it would be okay or whats the diff?

[cyan timber]

Shows on the skills, rend has higher initial hit modifier, but its so low and you use rend that little that the dps diff is barely worth mentioning so down to preferance. I just use tc and rend if its on cd

[finite mantle]

wtf

[vapid igloo]

I've heard some chatter recently about a heavy Arms > Fury bias, are they nerfing the shit out of Fury soon? Gf just started leveling to play Fury and I'd love to be the bearer of bad news

[manic river]

Are some of you triying out arterial bleed with Colosus?

With the changes

[echo fern]

so now seems like a good time to ask I was breifly asking for info the other day is it just worth dropping fury and going all in on arms the logs definitely seem to be suggesting that but I don't know about M+

[slow saddle]

Thats ok, problem iz they fucked arms pre tww and now again

[slow saddle]

Fury with am will be fine

[echo fern]

yeah but thats not in currently sadly cause I do like me some AM

I think what I'm really asking is what should I invest in for the best results cause it's not like I can recraft my weapon between every raid and M+

[slow saddle]

Ye u can

Also why bother?

[vapid igloo]

Arms rarely gets nerfed or even looked at so it's a pretty safe option

[echo fern]

okay yes I technically can but it's expensive.

[slow saddle]

Haste - mastery is fine for arms

[vapid igloo]

[echo fern]

oh well thats not so bad then

[slow saddle]

On 1 item

[vapid igloo]

oh ok

[slow saddle]

Haste - crit also fine for fury

Again 1 item

[slow saddle]

Lets talk bout the 15% ms nerf just before tww

Which has ruined loads of talents

And collosus

[zealous sphinx]

The nerfs are nonsensical

[vapid igloo]

Thank god it ruined Colossus

I'd probably be rerolling if I had to play the channeled ability warrior spec

[zealous sphinx]

Its like 1 sec

[slow saddle]

Its more the way it works

Vs ashen for pala

[vapid igloo]

1 sec I could be not channeling on warrior

[slow saddle]

I mean id play it

I love ravager into ms procs

What makes me sad is also they removed the sweepin strikes with it

[normal dust]

is arms so low on murlok io regarding keys cause fury just dominated so hard at the beginning of the season, or does arms just do not really pump?

[slow saddle]

Both

Arms isnt bad though if all u wanna do is 10-12s

[vapid igloo]

Arms does okay but it's certainly not a pumper

[slow saddle]

Just like fury😅

[vapid igloo]

Arms is virtually always lower because 80% of warrior players are perpetually on Fury

So the numbers will always be skewed

[slow saddle]

If arms is stronget

Ppl move fast

So no

[vapid igloo]

Yeah, to another class

lol

[slow saddle]

Nope.

[vapid igloo]

Ok buddy

[slow saddle]

Its just been so long, since arms was better in keys😅

[vapid igloo]

Abberus:

[slow saddle]

Ye thats raid

[vapid igloo]

Yes it is

I closely follow the numbers for M+ too, people do not play Arms if it's strong lol

[slow saddle]

Was good times

[vapid igloo]

They will stay fury or swap classes

[slow saddle]

I mean as said. Which expansion was arms better

Coz season 1 arms wasnt better in m+

It was quite equal

[vapid igloo]

You're not even able to go back and look at data from past seasons anywhere as far as I can see so arguing it is a completely moot point

[slow saddle]

U can always check highest keys done

By fury vs arms

[vapid igloo]

But there were times in DF where I felt like Arms was better in M+, especially given some of the dungeons, and people still played Fury

[slow saddle]

Fury lived

Arms required way more skill to live shit

Fury was near immortal, and pumped

[plush hill]

In s3 I was pumping in dng, even without leg

[echo fern]

so what I'm generally hearing is arms is solid in raid but kinda meh in M+

[vapid igloo]

Yes

[slow saddle]

Its worse than fury

But u can easily play it, and do good dmg

Just accept u are a ret. Just worse

👌

[zealous sphinx]

I can see its use for demolish on some keys where prio is giga important but the overall dmg does not outweight it

[vapid igloo]

atp just play Slayer Juggernaut build tbh

[livid cloak]

Colossus does a lot more overall dam than slayer jug

I'm usually 1.4 to 1.6m overall end of most keys 8 and higher with colossus, it's good dam

[zealous sphinx]

Do you just send it whenever or you wait for sizable packs

[slow saddle]

But is it good st dmg?

Coz prio dmg and st burst is slayers bread and butter

Or mby im dumb

[zealous sphinx]

I ment more like 1 mob out of a pack where you would chunk it right off the bat at 10 stack

[vapid igloo]

I mean you're right

[zealous sphinx]

But staight st its dog

Like on bosses

[vapid igloo]

That's what I like about Slayer Jugg currently

I always top dam on bosses and bosses have been the struggle point for a lot of groups rn

Even if I go in without all my CDs up I'll still top damage by the end

[covert charm]

Yeah I've been enjoying slayer arms keys too, i feel like i always have damage where as for fury im at the whims of odyn's fury and dogshit single target

[livid cloak]

It's not dog

Still like 900k plus st

Depending on talents you take

I drop about 100k st from slayer jug to aoe colossus and gain about 400k aoe. It's a solid balance

And if you can't keep up jug between packs it falls further behind

[zealous sphinx]

Yeah thats dog

[livid cloak]

This week colossus feels even better with the cd reduction

Lol w/e

[zealous sphinx]

Im not trying to compare the two

Im saying its dog compared to most other classes

So if you ask me if colossus is bad on ST then yeah, its pretty bad on ST

[livid cloak]

Colossus st, if you take BI is about the same as slayer non jugg build

And if you take arterial bleed

[zealous sphinx]

Its about the same huh

[livid cloak]

If you sim full raid slayer vs colossus both max st, it's only 50k diff

And that's all in execute

[zealous sphinx]

So youre saying that the parses are overwelmingly represented by slayer in raid because colossus is 50K behind?

[livid cloak]

I didn't say anything even close to that

[zealous sphinx]

Well then if they are basically the same damage like you said

In st

Why is everyone playing slayer

[livid cloak]

I didn't say they were the same

I said the non jugg slayer m plus build has similar st to a st focused colossus build

[wary raft]

slayer with aoe talents is the same as colossus st spec is what hes saying

[livid cloak]

Colossus st focused m plus sprc

Yes

[zealous sphinx]

Alright sorry i read that wrong

[livid cloak]

You can take blunt instruments and arterial bleed for colossus and and your st is viable in keys

And any boss fights in dungeons with adds, colossus will more than make up for it

With cleave, mbg, and demolish

All I'm trying to get it as both hero talents are viable

[bleak fog]

easiest, most fun and most dmg for m+ Slayer or Colossus?

[livid cloak]

Slayer is easiest

Fewer button

[bleak fog]

do we send cleave with one op stack or do we wait for 2?

[arctic hearth]

on CD

[livid cloak]

In aoe? On cd

Every 3 gcd

[bleak fog]

But colossus is like one more button or? 🙂

Demolish

[livid cloak]

Yeah

[slow saddle]

But in slayer m+ u play st ish build no point playing heavy aoe

At least until the ptr slayer nerfs hit🤣

[arctic hearth]

Sweet! Top Left is Lethal Blows, Top Right Exe Prec, bottom = OP

[quasi torrent]

the numbers mason

[gaunt owl]

WHAT DO THEY MEAN

fun part is tracking OP is meaningless

[serene hollow]

agreed

well, it's basically the same as pressing ms when you have 2 stacks of overpower buff because you mainly press overpower when it lights up for lethal blows anyway in execute

[quasi torrent]

martial prowess

surely matters

👍

[serene hollow]

👍

[wary raft]

hm imagine scenario right 2/2 martial prowess, but also opportunist up what do pressing D:

[olive nest]

No number tracking here

[smoky kayak]

seems a lot simpler to just make the icon only glow when under use conditions

[olive nest]

Stop making sense please

Thanks

[formal badge]

Used to use this, maybe will try again

[formal badge]

Do I just post the log in here or is there a specific place to post logs for review?

[inner wasp]

#449510248579858432 if ur lucky

[timber marsh]

So what procs do we actually track? I know 2x ep is important, hitting OP when it resets, and 3x marked for death

[formal badge]

Thank you!

There's a lot of good info in that log review channel just from reading through the history a bit

[balmy kindle]

seconded, colo is blasting this week with the cd reduction for sure, let other specs handle ST

[edgy solstice]

affix not reducing trinket cds is lame tho

this week is still ass

[digital umbra]

I find on colo i struggle for single target, it pumps on aoe though

I just feel bad doing low boss damage

[slow saddle]

Should prob try and use a st heavy build if playing col

[edgy solstice]

soa over dn

arterial bleed is a choice too

[manic river]

oh, what is that? aura?

[edgy solstice]

ST still aint gonna be great but ohwell

[manic river]

For more st on Colosus what do you take? arterial bleed and EP? something else?

[edgy solstice]

SoA > DN, SD > Massa, Arterial > OAM

[livid cloak]

Skullsplitter, arterial bleed, strength of arms and massacre for me

[edgy solstice]

if you're just trying to pump bosses tho, jugg is still better imo

[slow saddle]

And wait fpr pathch

[edgy solstice]

until it gets nerfed

[vernal briar]

Why we catching strays fellas..

[slow saddle]

Meant col buffed slayer st nerfs

[vernal briar]

Let’s go yell at the fury guys

[slow saddle]

Prob coz they want to push us into collosus

Which would be easy

Add 10% baseline ms

[vernal briar]

Zug zug

[wanton sierra]

SD better than mass?

[edgy solstice]

I just prefer it I think

[wanton sierra]

im playin massacre and i think my st got better, not giga dam but passable

i might try sd

[vernal briar]

Anyone got the numbers on the % diff between col and slayer after the recent strays?

[vital rune]

Monks getting the affix cheatcode this week

[wanton sierra]

shatter trhow work withh afix w?

wrecking trhow i mean

[teal fossil]

Yeah

[wanton sierra]

is it worth?

[slow saddle]

Strays are only on prepatch aint it?

My friend roar going from uncapped to 8 to 5😅

[teal fossil]

Archi said it’s the only initial dam being nerfed

[slow saddle]

But why then?

😅

The initial hit is small

[noble oxide]

are we sure about that?

thats inconsequential then

[wanton sierra]

damn only initial dam? it feels like warbreaker dam nerf xD

[slow saddle]

But damn 2.3 % dmg nerf is a lot

[wanton sierra]

warbreaker will clip farther xD

[noble oxide]

for M+ colossus why do we take ravager over BS?

because we lose the BS talents from slayer?

[wanton sierra]

bc whhen you press ms or cleave you keep demo rotatin

[slow saddle]

Coz unhinged is cracked with ravager

Slayer if ravager worked with slayer it would be cracked

[teal fossil]

Bladestorm isn’t very good of a spell because it locks you into a channel

[lean geode]

Can't health pot during bladestorm

Thanks blizzard

[slow saddle]

Its bad coz dmg is bad

Also imagine bladestorm AND COL channel

😅

[teal fossil]

Bladestorm does fine damage by itself

It’s the opportunity cost of 3 gcds

[boreal quartz]

@latent moss u know the no delay LP aura

did u ever figure out how to make it read stacks of trigger 1 via a conditon

[arctic hearth]

Yeah, the WA alrdy had OP and exe numbers tracking. I just added Lethal blows. I'm not very WA savvy but def could remove OP or make glow only when 2x Lethal/exe or w/e

[lean geode]

I use something like this for execute where it glows (different colors, but you could make them all the same color) for "juggernaut about to expire", "SD about to expire or 2 stacks SD", and "3x MfE stacks"
This one is for fury, but same ideas apply https://wago.io/ZTGWfik5P

Here's a little writeup I did a while back (the wago link there is for an older version of the wa) if that helps explain how I set it up, it's really not too bad #fury message

[slim jay]

how are you guys finding st damage in m+?

[brittle agate]

hi, do you guys dabble in the culminating blasphemite secondary effect at all? my sims shows me to slap the diamond anywhere and fill the rest of the sockets only with one type/color gem

sims not simming or the benefit isint there so much?

[teal fossil]

its simming

[frank moss]

yo fury stillballin or arms best?

[edgy solstice]

neither

[inner wasp]

frost dk

[plain solstice]

☝️

[quartz canopy]

the nerfs for slayer will be a bit worse

[edgy solstice]

woo

[tranquil sundial]

??????????????

and this is also next reset

wtf

[south wharf]

better nerf warrior

[tranquil sundial]

must be like a 3% for arms no?

[quartz canopy]

we'll see

but it's clear there's no regard for arms balance for these changes

[mild sierra]

Looks like a fury ST buff

[south wharf]

if only they could nerf hero talents spec specific, imagine that

[mild sierra]

and small arms nerf ST

[south wharf]

completely clueless

[mild sierra]

which is weird

[plain solstice]

huge arms nerf 🤣

[edgy solstice]

spriest on life support now that the race is over

shocking

[astral talon]

i wouldnt say huge

like 3% overall

[edgy solstice]

ret and ass getting buffed xd

[manic stirrup]

if u were playing colossus in keys its a buff

was already on par with slayer

[south wharf]

nerfing a spec that is already on life support in m+, while buffing ret

[plain solstice]

lmao

[mild sierra]

Colossus in keys goes hard

[regal birch]

wtf is this news

fk blizzard

just fk em

[manic stirrup]

i mean literally 100% of ppl play herald

[fringe moon]

interest that ret is being buffed

[regal birch]

catching strays early now

[manic stirrup]

so saying they buffed ret, with 0 numbrs to go alongside with it, is disingeuous

that hero spec could still be behind after all these changes

[regal birch]

apprently blizz just reads heroic logs from warcraftlogs and balances based upon that

and then they dont even bother after mythic id releases

[cedar talon]

Colossus behind where buffs then

[regal birch]

maybe they watch a bit rwf and balanced based on that

thats all

🙂

[manic stirrup]

arterial bleed got buffed lol

[astral talon]

wait like 5min

archi boutta drop numbers i believe

[edgy solstice]

he already dropped the arms numbers

for colo, nothing's changed

it's 0.9% increase

[astral talon]

didnt we get another small nerf?

to slayer

[edgy solstice]

slayer did yeah

[south wharf]

"arms buff"

[cedar talon]

"Buffed" lol

[regal birch]

so lets sum it up

[coarse ore]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-soprano-james-gandolfini-no-gif-5055382

[regal birch]

arms gets nerfed while fury stays probably the same

with a bit more st

ty blizz

[cedar talon]

yup

[south wharf]

nerfs aimed at fury nerf arms more then fury

[edgy solstice]

just seems like pre-tier set overreactions

these are ST nerfs and yeah arms was slapping ST first couple weeks but we're pretty average now that everyone's getting tier

[regal birch]

as usual

warrior first week seems strong

blizz doesnt give it second thought insta slaps him

then proceed to be mid rest of the tier

will happena gain now

[sweet anchor]

if thats the case, what class stays beefy?

[cunning hound]

To all my arms enjoyers rest in peace

[tacit mist]

spec

[boreal quartz]

opportunist has been smitten

whats the new target

[tacit mist]

execute for sure

[jade cargo]

@finite mantlehelo manki

[regal birch]

i mean we are not useless but there was no reason to be targeted THIS MUCH

[jade cargo]

👋

[edgy solstice]

prob unhinged

[regal birch]

while other classes overperform

clearly

[edgy solstice]

aoe cd shouldnt do good st

gotta nerf

[plain solstice]

lasted 2 weeks

[regal birch]

bc of 2 bosses in the raid it feels like

being mid in all other content

[finite mantle]

howdy chiche

[neon ocean]

It's actually kinda annoying that arms is an afterthought when they did the slayer nerfs

Arms deserves better than to eat mud from nerfs that are basically intended for fury

[jade cargo]

chiche going to sleep

[regal birch]

lets be honest not even fury needs that nerfs

idk what blizz does here

[boreal quartz]

die fury die

(hero rebalancing is an excellent idea)

[edgy solstice]

blame the furrys for not sandbagging

[trim elk]

So we switch to prot now I guess?

[neon ocean]

Prot mountain thane tclap gods

Lets go

[trim elk]

Yup

[edgy solstice]

switch to d4 in a few days at this point

[trim elk]

[cunning hound]

Might as well play prot for the rest of the season

Fury dumpstered and arms got cleaved

[fallen flume]

ngl true

[regal birch]

its so dumb that they actually didnt split it per spec

[boreal quartz]

it doesnt matter much

[regal birch]

its funny taht prot actually got a buff while being top already

[boreal quartz]

i just wish colossus had a bit more love

[sweet anchor]

so i dont wanna come on here and whine but are hunters a lil....TOO spicey right now?

[boreal quartz]

[regal birch]

ye bm GETS BUFFED

in st

while being beast

IN ST

?????

[boreal quartz]

i have a rlly good hunter in my guild

it makes my prog easier

i am happy for him

[regal birch]

no brother

cant be happy for hunters

[boreal quartz]

it makes my prog easier

its a W for me

[regal birch]

well

[boreal quartz]

being happy for others is okay

but war changes remain confusing

[edgy solstice]

slayer was gonna be dead in keys anyway so it's whatev

Arms will still be average in raid

[sweet anchor]

i just kinda feel like im playing really wrong here, like i dont get anything ddone as arms.

[boreal quartz]

clappa fury in keys might be funny now

[edgy solstice]

AM Thane fury?

[boreal quartz]

do you have a log or an m+ damage breakdown

full cook ye

zero st gaming

[edgy solstice]

if AM becomes a thing, maybe i play it

[boreal quartz]

i mean the sims fishy had

have AM fury ahead of ra in st with apl change

[edgy solstice]

I just don't like doing zdps outside of cds in keys

I will p much perma play arms in raid unless it's hot dog water

[jade ember]

So how do Slayer on Col ST compare after these changes? Not sure what it looks like now other than Col being behind.

[quartz canopy]

It is still around 7% behind if I remember the numbers correctly

[edgy solstice]

#updates-midnight

[jade ember]

Dang actually kinds like Col/jaded on Slayer

[sweet anchor]

sorry i posted this in the wrong channel!

[manic stirrup]

if you played colossus with arterial bleed already (which i personally think you shouldve)

you got a small buff congeats

congrats