#arms
plucky fern
and yeah obviously if you run ep you take massacre, doesnt make sence for me to just pick one
you either invest in executes fully or go blord
latent moss
funny how they designed the spec around a talenta
and we dont play it
the rotation sucks dick without blord
slow saddle
Colo still shit st aint it
arctic hearth
Literally what im running most keys, just need to get good i guess
quaint cosmos
so in exe phase are we still sending 3 exe if rage allows into a ms or is it different?
thick kelp
Read a guide
plucky fern
Colo still shit st aint it
idk with that build that i described im doing good enough st, obviously not great but can compete with most classes
if you compare to ass rogue or arcane mage ST its clearly shit, but they are just overtuned classes
errant heart
Im currently playing fury but wanted to switch to arms for singletarget bosses. Raidbot is simming me with 100k more singletarget damage but i dont do that on the target dummies... I do about the same with fury and arms but the execute phase is missing on dummies will i gain the 100k on execute phases for bosses?
kind stag
can confirm yeah, arms really pops off in exec
slow saddle
if you compare to ass rogue or arcane mage ST its clearly shit, but they are jus...
Hmm but slayer arms does more no? At least than col arms
plush belfry
What build's that, Desper?
plucky fern
Hmm but slayer arms does more no? At least than col arms
in st jugg slayer does more damage yes, up to 100k more dps, but in aoe colossus outperforms slayer by a lot
overall damage in m+ higher in colossus and survivability is better so its a clear winner for me idk
plucky fern
What build's that, Desper?
something like that, im still experimenting a lot but thats whats im running right now
still not sure if mbg is worth it tbh
might just take 2/2 bloodborne
or 1 point in CT for single target
kind stag
i found it really hard without 2 deft
plucky fern
yeah im never dropping 2 deft
kind stag
also Dreadnaught is really low value in later keys i found
plucky fern
dn is a bait
kind stag
the splash from OP is a tickle
plucky fern
also if you trade warbreaker for blunt its a huge st boost but idk
i love 6mil demolishes too much
to drop that
lime hare
Hello, i'm currently in the process of picking my alts for the xpac, was eyeing at my vulp arms warrior, I've wanted to ask the community how does arms warrior feels to play (i'm asking purely rotation wise, not number wise), and content creators related to the spec :)
Is war arms still a bit "weird" to play with layering a lot of cooldowns that seems anti-synergy between them (like warbreaker+thunderous roar+ravager) or was the burst windows smoothed out?
plucky fern
arms still clunky
lime hare
also how hard is it to make a good plate mog for vulps, i feel it's one of the hardest due to the size, tail&muzzle 
kind stag
your first mistake is vulp
lime hare
I can explain the vulpera
lime hare
Initially, i wanted this character to be prot warrior for the racial passive
but rose-tinted glasses from Legion made me play arms again
kind stag
arms is a bit clunky but it can have some big numbers and being in execute phase makes your brain feel good
plucky fern
well yeah slayer execute phase is not clunky
you just press execute 10 times in a row
kind stag
12*
plucky fern
then use one ms when you have max stacks of everything
lime hare
Clunky and bland
So we're still playing with In for the Kill, pressing Warbreaker and stacking as many bleeds as possible to benefit from haste?
plucky fern
thick kelp
So we're still playing with In for the Kill, pressing Warbreaker and stacking as...
no
you just press cleave
kind stag
i mean bleed being Rend and Roar every now and then
kind stag
battlelord should be baseline
plucky fern
i wouldnt say its 'hard' lock in, there are like 4 flex talents but yeah
not much diversity
for m+ at least
in st yeah its just one build
kind stag
plus side is both hero talents can be played in m+
plucky fern
you only trade one talent for cleave in fights with adds
lime hare
oki, so might not play arms if it's that clunky, I'll keep my rose-tinted glasses and watch VODs when i was doing Maw +24 fortified and just melting packs with ravager+warbreaker+that belt that makes Whirlwind "echo"
thick kelp
Prot is fun tho
plucky fern
idk i would recommend to not decide just by feedback from this chat
kind stag
prolly most fun tank imo
kind stag
but then again yeah try, warrs are pussies and doomers and they moan all the time
plucky fern
i enjoy arms in this state even tho it has a bunch of problems
demolish carries the fun part
lime hare
my main is sin rogue, my tank alt is bear ๐คทโโ๏ธ
kind stag
i mean xpac from now some pepos gonna be "man, TWW arms was awesome"
thick kelp
but then again yeah try, warrs are pussies and doomers and they moan all the tim...
warrior complaining is like a mouse squeaking in a full farm house
its nothing compared to what other specs
plucky fern
warrior complaining is like a mouse squeaking in a full farm house
bbut warrior is UNPLAYABLE...its OVER
kind stag
no but warrior players complain about bland and boring and janky and slow stuff then they say shit "ima reroll most boring and slow and bland classes"
like bruah
thick kelp
whos them
lime hare
And regarding arms warrior content creators? Is there none that is "curated" by the community? I've checked Critcake but he's only playing fury
thick kelp
who reroll to boring and bland classes
The only rerolls i have heard are to ret or fdk
lime hare
no but warrior players complain about bland and boring and janky and slow stuff ...
so you're telling me there's worst than arms warrior?
thick kelp
which are opposite of slow and bland
kind stag
And regarding arms warrior content creators? Is there none that is "curated" by ...
good question i dont know any arms creators
plucky fern
i tried rerolling fdk but my warrior brain always comes back to home
thick kelp
And regarding arms warrior content creators? Is there none that is "curated" by ...
Most creators will follow meta since they play that level where it matters
kind stag
and fdk is jank there is no denying it
thick kelp
You will see crit playing arms when its the time for the spec
ex. Princess prog, court prog
thick kelp
bruh ret isnt bland? cmon
Spec has 10k more things going on than arms or fury
latent arrow
something like that, im still experimenting a lot but thats whats im running rig...
what if you drop bloodborne for battlelord here?
kind stag
Spec has 10k more things going on than arms or fury
what
plucky fern
fdk died for me when breath became meta
lime hare
maybe i won't play arms, but at least i fixed the transmog part :)
quasi torrent
fdk died for me when breath became meta
so 12yrs ago?
kind stag
faceroll spec
lime hare
thanks for your input, i'll play it a few hours and decide it for myself
plucky fern
what if you drop bloodborne for battlelord here?
this trade will not accomplish anything, the only reason to pick battlelord is to drop execute talents for it
kind stag
even wowhead guide says class is bland af lol
plucky fern
because theres nothing else to pick if you drop execute
plucky fern
maybe i won't play arms, but at least i fixed the transmog part :)
bis vulpera transmog
nothing comes close
thick kelp
ret has pop CDs mash 2 buttons get procs mash 2 buttons
arms has pop cds mash 2 buttons
no procs
kind stag
track rend, track conditionals for your 2x MS buff, anger management
lime hare
also, i guess i'm part of the problem/doomers when I say i miss legion arms
kind stag
nah man
latent arrow
this trade will not accomplish anything, the only reason to pick battlelord is t...
is it worth it to run execute then or not?
kind stag
its fine to miss a version that you enjoyed
plucky fern
is it worth it to run execute then or not?
in higher keys - worth it for sure
for lower like less than 7 idk
probably not
kind stag
hell i miss actual melee ret lol
even though now it 200x better
and i miss DF s3 fury
but i dont blame them for changing it
latent arrow
so in 9-10 battlelord is better even considering tyranical?
lime hare
its fine to miss a version that you enjoyed
Tactician reseting CS was peak because you could neglect haste as a stat, since you had high IftK uptime
lime hare
Again, thank you for your input, will try and make my own judgement
kind stag
but colossus with giga crits on demolish is fun
lime hare
colossus is really fun so far for me
I don't like colossus because it's very weird to have a channel that roots you
kind stag
last hit critting for 5mil oof
kind stag
I don't like colossus because it's very weird to have a channel that roots you
it is yeah, luckily its fast, takes time to get used to it though
then again demolish is easy compared to DHs having to play with Inertia
or rogues in general
lime hare
what's the issue with rogues?
thick kelp
some people have the opinion that rogues are somehow hard
lime hare
They're not
I've been playing rogue since WoD
I'd say they have a low skill floor, but some specs have a high skill ceiling
but i'm biased
plucky fern
rogues are not hard just very annoying
the need to restealth each pack
no chainpulls
lime hare
actually
it's not that bad to chainpull
We (by "'we" i mean Whispyr, sin rogue main theorycrafter) ran the tests and did the log analysis
in a key with absolutly 0 restealth, we lose 10% dps overall
yes on paper it's like, a very big number
but this number only affect the rogue, and what does it actually means is less downtime, leading to more chance to time the key
and that's where we can absolutly never restealth, from the moment the key starts to the end of the timer
boreal quartz
Screenshotting and sending in every pug key
lime hare
I can even give you the timestamped video
lime hare
Screenshotting and sending in every pug key
Any rogue that whines because they can't restealth are crybabies
I've been playing sin in keys since M+ are a thing and we never had enough damage amps from stealth to justify restealthing every single pack
just l2p and learn to vanish properly if the tank is chainpulling into something big
chainpulling is more an inconvenience for sin rogues because we think we lose a lot, when actually the damage amps on garrote are only huge in a vacuum, not over the course of a whole dungeon
the real downside is the loss of iron wire, which is a 6 seconds silence you can cleave when you leave stealth
but we have a solution to this issue, it's called Vanish
vagrant aspen
Ez sac. 1st boss or craft for wep
dim basalt
Wont be able to craft weapon anytime soon but ye I can hope I get the weapon
lime hare
Thank you for coming to my TED talk on "why are rogues who absolutly want to restealth big crybabies with no skill"
plucky fern
well that was some useful info
ill have some arguments next time a yellow crybaby start typing in chat
๐
iron obsidian
fuck https://i.imgur.com/b7zi00H.png
definitely a sacbrood angle
youโll get your wep with time my friend, myth track sac is much harder to come by than a myth track wep
lime hare
ill have some arguments next time a yellow crybaby start typing in chat
tell them they're narcissist and would rather risk the 2 chest than take the L and use vanish on cooldown
dim basalt
alternatively heroic transmitter but sac is probably still the better choice
Esp since I only play prot in M+
balmy kindle
tell them they're narcissist and would rather risk the 2 chest than take the L a...
Giga chad adapting instead of complaining
lime hare
Don't get me wrong, i still moan when my tank chainpulls, but that's often because I didn't planned on that and i'm low on combo points to quickly get online
lime hare
Giga chad adapting instead of complaining
speaking of adapting, i can also rant about Heikili, but i'm very passionated about that
iron obsidian
Bro pug tanks are unpredictable
Saw the most ridiculous route on db the other day
legit couldnt dps properly
lime hare
Bro pug tanks are unpredictable
Real
Source : i got all my KSM pugging as a tank
iron obsidian
my cds were off sync for every pull, i thought it couldnt get worse but it did
most unfathomable route iโve ever seen, that 11 was burned sadly.
raven atlas
fuck https://i.imgur.com/b7zi00H.png
This is why we need a system where we can Freeze vaults for next week. Like hearthstone
lime hare
as a burned out main tank player, I don't track dps cooldowns until i'm doing challenging content, which this season would be like 12+
because under that key difficulty, i can't be bothered to learn which dps spec wants to chainpull, which one wants big pulls into smallers ones, etc, i'm just trusting my guts and adapting my route based on defensive cds and healer mana
plush hill
Sorry, but pugs unpredictable at all. I got group where every body dies, and only my friend and I lives (Iโm tanking, friend mage)
arctic hearth
something like that, im still experimenting a lot but thats whats im running rig...
How does ST dmg compare if u remove SKS and 1 node below for 2x exe refund?
lime hare
Did a 7 Mists, blood DK/me on rogue/my gf on spriest/some random casters we don't care
he pulled 3 staghorns together and was surprised we struggled to cut/dispell all the healing&shielding
boreal quartz
Holy based
lime hare
it frustrate me to a level that i can't kidney/blind staghorns
like, what's the point to be the master of single target CC, if i can't use it
opal kelp
Guys, for this week, which build u recommend for M+?
arctic hearth
Fdk
lime hare
Fdk obliterate 2x1H
arctic hearth
๐ if you mean warrior, any spec works. Depends what key lvl you are doing
latent arrow
chainpulling is more an inconvenience for sin rogues because we think we lose a ...
are you sure about that? You are spendign globals reapplying garrotes and ruptures instead of feeding envenoms into caustic. That sounds like a big loss to me
lime hare
Holy based
but if you encounter more whiny yellows/bad experiences with them, you can DM me and i'll explain why they're wrong
lime hare
are you sure about that? You are spendign globals reapplying garrotes and ruptur...
caustic is applying by mut
you rupture/garrote the biggest healthbar, mut then apply ruptures on as many targets as possible for Scent of Blood
caustic uptime is naturally 100% just if you know how to play
opal kelp
CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAzMzMjZMmFLLLzMDAAAADmGmZYZYGYsMmZGMzwYGPAzwAAAAAAAgHYMLzMzAsFYssNwCYAzwEyAsB
- slayer juggernaut?
lime hare
you don't want to garrote everything in the pack, it doesn't benefit you outside of cleaving it when you leave stealth thanks to Indiscriminate Carnage, Rupture and Crimson Tempest does the heavy lifting in aoe
arctic hearth
Slayer jugg is probably the build i recommend the least tbh (assuming you are not pushing high keys)
boreal quartz
Thank you for coming to my TED talk on "why are rogues who absolutly want to res...
Rlly good info, good stuff
boreal quartz
Slayer jugg is probably the build i recommend the least tbh (assuming you are no...
Try colossus aoe pad for a key or two it's fun
opal kelp
its a +6, im leveling to 10
lime hare
Rlly good info, good stuff
Every season i try to get KSM on 3 diff characters
One tank, one "meta" who is my main, and one off-meta spec, like survival hunter/feral druid...
arctic hearth
Ive been playing colo for 3-4 days ๐ go fury if you dont hate it. Will do way better in those keys
boreal quartz
I have 2 chars and idk if ill level more as wawi is rancid since dungeon level nerf
lime hare
I have ADHD so I really enjoy having a wide panel of gameplays
boreal quartz
But with shaman and war i got everything covered
Tank healer melee ranged
Though rn it's arms>fury=resto>enh>ele
lime hare
And doing high keys on various classes/specs makes me more knowledgeable than the random pug, plus I'm very curious and try to stay up to date about every specs
arctic hearth
its a +6, im leveling to 10
Both colo and slayer arms perform better when trash lives a long time. In +6 etc fury will delete packs. If you dont want fury, try colossus for a bit ๐
lime hare
I think being turbo clueless on alts can be pretty funny
I don't but my girlfriend does, so it's a massive struggle for me to not be constantly trying to coach her because she wants to improve on her own
iron obsidian
I think being turbo clueless on alts can be pretty funny
W
lime hare
Anyway, Heikili, I have a lot to say-
latent arrow
caustic uptime is naturally 100% just if you know how to play
yeah but what i mean is in an opener on a new pack stealth vs restealth you got something like this: 2x garrote-> 2x rupture->fan->ct->spam envenoms vs 5x fan rupture ->fan -> ct-> spam envenoms. Not only do you lose the garrote damage but it takes 3 more finishers to set up. That is 3 envenoms you could have pumped into main target
boreal quartz
Pulled up to a +4 on my 522 fdk
I healed a 5 on my 550 shaman
plucky fern
How does ST dmg compare if u remove SKS and 1 node below for 2x exe refund?
idk you can sim that, i'd assume its gonna be horrible
iron obsidian
sounds enjoyable
boreal quartz
Rat keys is just great content with friends
iron obsidian
Although we hit up 2 normal dungeons in lfg and i got 20 ilvl
boreal quartz
Even timed it holy 
lime hare
yeah but what i mean is in an opener on a new pack stealth vs restealth you got ...
Why would you want to pump 3 envenoms? One is enough to keep the buff rolling+we play with SBS so we can cleave 3 ruptures fast
arctic hearth
idk you can sim that, i'd assume its gonna be horrible
Rip ๐ฆ @work on phone, might sim in 3h
iron obsidian
so im probably +9 ready at 542
plucky fern
or wait i didnt read correctly
so you want to swap bloodborne and sks for 2/2 CT
its gonna be about the same honestly
arctic hearth
Smol cook?
boreal quartz
QOL cook
plucky fern
i did run version with 2/2 ct but i also had sks in that build
ST feels way smoother
slightly less aoe damage
arctic hearth
Hmm i might try tbh. Maybe i fuck up less idk im dented brain after 8h concrete jobs
plucky fern
can be a viable build
boreal quartz
Brain fatigue is real
lime hare
yeah but what i mean is in an opener on a new pack stealth vs restealth you got ...
You have to keep in mind sin rogue is slow paced, you have low APM unless you have a reason to spam your buttons, such as kingsbane rolling or in a shiv window
latent arrow
Why would you want to pump 3 envenoms? One is enough to keep the buff rolling+we...
sbs without restealth makes it fastER not necessarily fast, and you want as many envenoms in because that way you get the most spatter damage which is 40% of your dps
plucky fern
ill run a sim for 2/2 ct in a minute
arctic hearth
Is this rogue channel now? Cause warr unplayable?
arctic hearth
ill run a sim for 2/2 ct in a minute
My man!
lime hare
sbs without restealth makes it fastER not necessarily fast, and you want as many...
You want to keep your envenom buff up, you don't want to spam envenom, especially since we're playing bleed build with zoldyck and sudden demise
boreal quartz
Dick haha
plucky fern
dropped mbg and bloodborne for this build
+3.4% ST
-1% AoE on 8 targets
probably a good trade tbh
wouldnt drop sks ever tho
arctic hearth
Oh wow
iron obsidian
You want to keep your envenom buff up, you don't want to spam envenom, especiall...
theres a talent named zoldyck in wow? might class swap just to weeb out
boreal quartz
Try 5t or so as well
lime hare
theres a talent named zoldyck in wow? might class swap just to weeb out
Yes, it was a legendary in Legion, now it's sin execute talent
arctic hearth
I kinda like sks tbh, i just wanted to try less buttons when im tired af and warr aint in muscle memory yet
plucky fern
its already no buttons in st
arctic hearth
Appreciate the helpโค๏ธ๐
plucky fern
sks allows you to press a fucking slam less
and also its a blessing in execute when you are ragestarving
even with 2/2 ct you will starve sometimes
lime hare
i think Zoldyck is a MHA ref, idk, i watch/read darker animes/mangas
plucky fern
when iftk is not up
iron obsidian
i think Zoldyck is a MHA ref, idk, i watch/read darker animes/mangas
from hunter x hunter :p
lime hare
Slam is a no funny button
arctic hearth
Iftk? Yeah sks in sub 35 is so good
iron obsidian
kinda sick that its a rogue thing since theyโre assassins
lime hare
couldn't you drop executioner precision for bonegrinder?
plucky fern
thoughts on that build for M+
no fervor no jugg?
whats the purpose of that build
other than to lower arms avg parses even more
lime hare
also why massacre over bonegrinder
plucky fern
you cant just pick collateral and not pick fervor its not gonna work bro
lime hare
AM give you so many bladestorms
plucky fern
jugg slayer with no ep is some next level build
lime hare
thoughts on that build for M+
I'd take off sudden death and massacre for bonegrinder&skullsplitter for more AoE damage
and swap Ignore Pain for Fueled by Violence
misty yew
jugg slayer with no ep is some next level build
how does jug and ep play?
lime hare
Because you have enough rage spenders already for Tactician to be a proc fest and Fueled by Violence is free heal for just pressing your buttons
lime hare
if you want to play with a lot of exec, keep massacre/ep but take jugg
plucky fern
swap one point from bloodborne to ep
and this will be a standart slayer jugg m+ build
which kinda works
and the only viable slayer build in keys
lime hare
you don't really need 2/2 bloodborne
plucky fern
its a good talent but theres no room for it in slayer
kind stag
bloodborne is good damage but to have it 2/2 you have to sacrifice a lot
kind stag
i run 1/2 on colossus just so i can go 2/2 on deft
plucky fern
no reason to try to squeeze aoe talents in slayer
if you want aoe
go colossus
its does it 2 times better
kind stag
well you can argue that slayer with some aoe picks is still better for higher keys as it deals better with prio targets
lime hare
also i prefer skullsplitter over sudden death
kind stag
and bosses
lime hare
because one can be controlled, the other can't
plucky fern
well you can argue that slayer with some aoe picks is still better for higher ke...
theres no build in slayer that will outperform colossus in aoe
steep lichen
uhMMMM hello post great vaults
plucky fern
and i cba playing slayer in anything higher than 9
boreal quartz
Pls old sks
boreal quartz
you just get oneshot
You pressing ur dstance?
plucky fern
ofc
lime hare
Does Sweeping Strikes>Skullcleaver still make it generate 30 rage instead of 15?
kind stag
theres no build in slayer that will outperform colossus in aoe
i agree but having slayer deal good prio damage is really good while maintaining some aoe talents
halcyon breach
Does Sweeping Strikes>Skullcleaver still make it generate 30 rage instead of 15?
It's on a per-cast basis, not hit
steep lichen
lime hare
It's on a per-cast basis, not hit
ok so it's been changed :(
kind stag
boralus is cursed
halcyon breach
I don't remember when it was anything but a per-cast
kind stag
ok so it's been changed :(
rage starved is only an issue in exec imo
plucky fern
i can live as colo tho, passive dr + dr from demolish kinda helps and another second wind is a shitty cheat death but its better than nothing
boreal quartz
I mean press sr n shit
lime hare
I don't remember when it was anything but a per-cast
i think it was early bfa but i could be remembering wrong+it's 3 xpacs old knowledge
boreal quartz
Arms isnt very squishy if you use shit before shit happens
plucky fern
i mean yeah i know how to use defensives dude, its not the case
kind stag
arms is squishy compared to tank that is Fury but people forget arms is still a plater
its still tanky
halcyon breach
i think it was early bfa but i could be remembering wrong+it's 3 xpacs old knowl...
Didn't play Arms back then so wouldn't know either, but basically anything Warrior related works like this, with the obvious exception of stuff like Improved WW for Fury
kind stag
and impending victory is always there as panic button
plucky fern
i really feel the difference in surviability between slayer and colossus, thats what i tried to deliver
lime hare
I still want to know why he'd take IP over Fueled by Violence
boreal quartz
i *really* feel the difference in surviability between slayer and colossus, that...
Oh ye same
It's defo better
plucky fern
and if its better at surviving, and it does better overall damage, whats the reason to ever go slayer
other than 'bladestorm go brr'
halcyon breach
IP is better for surviving bigger hits
plucky fern
if you really like bladestorm theres fury
halcyon breach
Fueled is just a passive/anti-rot option
kind stag
and if its better at surviving, and it does better overall damage, whats the rea...
melting bosses and big prio targets
plucky fern
you are saying like its double the damage
halcyon breach
You have plenty of rage tho atm to spam IP if you want and still do your rotation no problem, so if you're good with using IP and if it's necessary for higher keys, then I'd argue it's > Fueled
kind stag
i think all are fine
simple obsidian
could anyone please answer me this questions about the execute phase?
some guides say: Mortal Strike to refresh Rend, or with with 2x Executioner's Precision AND 2x Lethal Blows.
other guides say: Mortal Strike to refresh Rend, or with with 2x Executioner's Precision
which is correct please?
kind stag
im playing the devils advocate here id play the shittiest build ever in m+ if i found it fun
halcyon breach
You MS with 2x EP and 2x Lethal
plucky fern
and if we want to talk about prio damage
boreal quartz
could anyone please answer me this questions about the execute phase?
some guid...
Tier once Tier, rend beforehand
fossil thistle
Does this sim correctly (adding the 0.15% crit effect per gem color)?
boreal quartz
im playing the devils advocate here id play the shittiest build ever in m+ if i ...
Does it include fatal mark
plucky fern
can you do that as slayer tho?
boreal quartz
And tom
boreal quartz
Does this sim correctly (adding the 0.15% crit effect per gem color)?
It does
plucky fern
to burst down a high prio add quick
simple obsidian
thanks guys! ๐
fossil thistle
Ok. im just dumb then ๐
halcyon breach
Does this sim correctly (adding the 0.15% crit effect per gem color)?
Yes, but it's extremely small
fossil thistle
I Assumed it didn't and went ahead and gemmed 4 different colours, although im sure it's pretty minor xD
kind stag
to burst down a high prio add quick
i think colos biggest strength is what fury warriors moan about
demolish being available very pack pull
halcyon breach
Personally I just swapped over to using the movespeed gem instead
Since that'll actually be noticable
lime hare
like
more than it is currently, you mean?
plucky fern
so we cool
fossil thistle
Yes, but it's extremely small
Movespeed gem + Stamina on booties?
halcyon breach
no movespeed on boots
plucky fern
ms on boots doesnt even give 1%
raw dagger
demolish feels nice on packs doesnt it feel super shitty in ST?
plucky fern
very bad enchant
kind stag
demolish feels nice on packs doesnt it feel super shitty in ST?
its fine ST damage but it aint prio early in opener
fossil thistle
oh so just max turbo zoom
plucky fern
demolish feels nice on packs doesnt it feel super shitty in ST?
it still does up to 10 million damage in st if all three hits crit
fossil thistle
zoomin
plucky fern
doesnt feel shitty to me
kind stag
gamba
lime hare
Even without fleet footwork I have 110% movespeed
that's a league of legends ref, i got it
lime hare
:)
raw dagger
is it gonna crit tho? ๐
plucky fern
i dont care too much about it critting or not tbh
it does its job even with zero crits, deliver big dam when needed
lime hare
guess i'll just take my war to 80 and wait for arms to get more love from blizzard/yet another rework
kind stag
level it try itz
tropic eagle
Arms is fineโฆ
kind stag
dont think about it lol
plucky fern
i know people love shitting about 'no crits' but on average its still you number one (or sometimes two) button i ndamage
lime hare
and lurk here in the mean time
kind stag
players be complaining about their classes every xpac
plucky fern
in some keys with lower trash dencity demolish even outdamages cleave in overall
kind stag
you either play it or you dont
tropic eagle
We make do with what we have, thats the way of the arms
kind stag
i played ret pala for 3 xpacs it was shit and yet i still loved it
lime hare
Arms does not get love
Oh, i can be very patient dw, i've waited multiple xpacs for affliction to not be pigeonholed into expending 5 UA with Darkglare
raw dagger
@plucky fern are u using warbreaker with colossus?
plucky fern
12.0 rework TRUST
halcyon breach
Have not enjoyed Affli since Legion
plucky fern
<@218254426681507841> are u using warbreaker with colossus?
at the moment yes
kind stag
i think half of arms players want something the other half doesnt want
fossil thistle
@halcyon breach actual talent in my client idk
kind stag
arms is creatively fucked because even devs dont know what it does
lime hare
players be complaining about their classes every xpac
ironically i don't feel included in that, i try to be positive and find silver lining ๐คทโโ๏ธ whining isn't what will make a spec better within the weekend
iron obsidian
I loved ret outside of having a 1-2s window where i had absolutely no cds / holy and iโd be sitting there pressing freedom as filler
maybe it was a rotational issue
but i hate that aspect of it
fossil thistle
Wrong one. it was this
dim basalt
arms is creatively fucked because even devs dont know what it does
Thats what SV players thought until they got their rework with TWW
plucky fern
im 100% sure fury will cry a river and get a buff in 10.0.5
and arms will still have zero text in patchnotes
other than warbreaker 'nerf' 
lime hare
arms is creatively fucked because even devs dont know what it does
On paper it's supposed to be a slow juggernaut, a living euthanasia machine
In gameplay, it's just a clunky overlapping of offensive CDs that would give a unholy main an aneurysm
halcyon breach
Fury being upset is very justified with the upcoming change
tropic eagle
I agree
halcyon breach
I could live with the previous nerfs, but the target cap change is over the top
trim skiff
I think Troar being nerfed is just sad
fossil thistle
DW Ret's will take our spot
plucky fern
yeah true, thet target nerf is like shooting a dying person to finish it
fury is already not that great and they nerf it even more
lime hare
I don't play fury because it has a negative image in my mind+it's so spammy it makes my wrists hurt :(
tropic eagle
I never played fury but they are hetting hit way too hard.. first 2 sure they weree overperforming but this seems extensive now
plucky fern
because on two bosses in raid it did good
thick kelp
my warbringer target cap
plucky fern
classic blizzard
thick kelp
its joever
trim skiff
its not healthy for arms either
kind stag
On paper it's supposed to be a slow juggernaut, a living euthanasia machine
In g...
it is that kinda, its slow but it has nice millions in numbers, its just that half of talents are useless and other half are required to make the spec work
UH is very chaotic in its burst and pimple popping at times, on paper arms is very simple
plucky fern
its not healthy for arms either
i believe roar nerf is close to nothing for arms
lime hare
it is that kinda, its slow but it has nice millions in numbers, its just that ha...
oh, I know, I play a lot of specs that suffer from those issues
the good talents are locked behind very bad ones, so you feel starved in talent points/have way less flexibility
plucky fern
like 0.5% dmg loss on 8 targets who cares
halcyon breach
The roar nerf will affect Arms more so than Fury, because Arms is more bleeds synergetic
plucky fern
main strength of roar in arms its 30% bleed dmg boost which is unchanged
halcyon breach
And keep in mind that it's not just the initial hit that gets nerfed, also the dot
kind stag
oh, I know, I play a lot of specs that suffer from those issues
the good talents...
but if you want a warrior that swings a sword in a wide arc, crits for few mils while ravager is up, its awesome
lime hare
i love Ravager
For me, bladestorm is like
a self-inflicted CC
And I don't vibe with that
halcyon breach
At least now you can cancelaura it
oblique lodge
For me, bladestorm is like
a self-inflicted CC
Tho is gets u out of roots and shit
tropic eagle
Well at least we can interupt while BS now
halcyon breach
lime hare
the only self-inflicted CC i'll tolerate is Killing Spree because the animation looks better than just spin to win
rapid bronze
If big axe y no damage
halcyon breach
Cancelaura and lose billions of damage
tropic eagle
Dont tell anyone tho so we dont get blamed for not interupting
kind stag
KS is awesome yeah but holy hell did it kill me
sleek terrace
What do you think about fury and arms dps for raid and mythic+? After nerfs archon show they are almost same.
halcyon breach
That you should play both in Raid if you care enough
kind stag
archon is popularity
halcyon breach
They have different strengths
plucky fern
What do you think about fury and arms dps for raid and mythic+? After nerfs arch...
its so over it never was so over in the history of over
we reroll rogues
every single one of us
kind stag
but yeah if you are giga serious about mythic raiding play both
lime hare
KS is awesome yeah but holy hell did it kill me
KS and DfA was my #1 reason of death in Legion prog, and also why my raidleader told me i'd be MT2 and not rogue anymore
tropic eagle
Arms ST is W so Sikran Princess defo arms if you wanna minmax
halcyon breach
Court is also very likely just a straight up Arms boss
kind stag
it is
plucky fern
in raid you go arms on anything that is not ovinax or queen
kind stag
2 targets sweeping stikes secks
lime hare
every single one of us
the sin community would welcome you with open arms, we're very chill and have a very involved theorycrafter
also we have silly dramas
tropic eagle
Yeah council/court fights always lovely as an arms player
halcyon breach
The 2 target sweeping is not really my point
Because it's not very consistent at all
kind stag
the sin community would welcome you with open arms, we're very chill and have a ...
man rogue was my 2nd main in legion god i miss legion sin
halcyon breach
But just because the fight is primarily ST
kind stag
now rogue has 3 bars of skills i gotta learn in my opener
lime hare
What do you think about fury and arms dps for raid and mythic+? After nerfs arch...
If you're invested, play both because they are complimentary, fury will just have the downside of having to bribe the loot council for the second weapon
halcyon breach
the sin community would welcome you with open arms, we're very chill and have a ...
Iirc Whispyr would make 30 minute videos about the most minute changes
Interesting to say the least
lime hare
otherwise Fury seems to be the safe pick for any content
kind stag
How fucked am I playing arms w/o crit (6k)
owari da
lime hare
Iirc Whispyr would make 30 minute videos about the most minute changes
yes, we love Whispyr, he also made 2 2 hour long videos to explain in depth the gameplay in keys and raid, depending on the build&hero talents
lime hare
also this is the funniest pin in the sin channel
plucky fern
How fucked am I playing arms w/o crit (6k)
well i'd assume colossus is not for you then, just play slayer jugg untill you get some crit
lime hare
is that negative or positive?
halcyon breach
negative
lime hare
oh
halcyon breach
He is an absolute creature
thick kelp
lime hare
dios mio
kind stag
rogue would be more fun if they pruned like 40% of its skills
lime hare
la creatura
kind stag
when i go check out sin or sub openers i start having a seizure
halcyon breach
I think Rogue would be a lot of fun if I had to play the Feint to do damage gameplay
lime hare
i'm out of the loop concerning Zerocool, i've watched some of his M+ streams in DF to see if i could improve, before realising his gameplay doesn't apply to mine, because i'm not pushing for world first
halcyon breach
He might be good at playing his spec but he is simply just a character of all time
kind stag
rogue and DH 2 lost lovers i can never return because blizz decided they should play different than i want them to
halcyon breach
Who is slightly deluded
lime hare
rogue and DH 2 lost lovers i can never return because blizz decided they should ...
I'm a weird player, I enjoy DH only when Momentum is good
halcyon breach
Momentum when it's 100% uptime is not good
kind stag
if they removed momentum and inertia id be a DH main
halcyon breach
Momentum when it's something you had to think about is good
Aka current Inertia (at least in DF haven't tried TWW DH yet)
lime hare
sounds like arcane mage or DF brewmaster
halcyon breach
I think the very long openers are just daunting at first but you can get the hang of them and then they're kinda whatever
lime hare
button bloat is a true plague
tropic eagle
I tried playing DH, I fell off the arena doing my dps rotation it was fun
halcyon breach
Arcane is not very button bloated rn
kind stag
i played FFXIV for a long time i dont have an issue with longer openers as much but it a middle of a fight with mechs overlapping you just get lost in the sauce
halcyon breach
In fact I think it's incredibly simple all things considered
lime hare
mages love to make other believe arcane mage is complex and hard
when in reality it's not
halcyon breach
Played it for splits and it's so static during your CD windows and you press 3 buttons apart from your CDs
kind stag
mages gatekeeping was always funny
NOOO DONT PLAY THIS OP CLASS ITS ACTUALLY HARD NOOOOOO
every content creator telling pepos go play ret paladin you will defo be wanted
halcyon breach
The only thing that I think could make people think it's complicated is the amount of procs
lime hare
"arcane mage is so complex, you wouldn't get it"
arcane mage in reality : maintain your buffs
during burn phase, press 3 buttons
then just press buttons when they light up
kind stag
rets being under 2k rating at all times nobody inviting they asses
iron obsidian
i tried arcane mage in beta and it felt pretty challenging
sleek terrace
Right now how is arms in mythic+ dg? In the beginning of the season it is like unplayable.
kind stag
it is fine its not up there but its ok
you got either good prio damage with slayer or burst aoe with colo
its not griefing to pick it in m+ if thats what you are asking
unless you aim for over 3k rio then dont pick warrior at all
plucky fern
arms completely fine in m+
latent moss
i tried arcane mage in beta and it felt pretty challenging
its like 2 sequences
its really not
plucky fern
if you forget that FDK exists, arms is looking good
dim basalt
its like 2 sequences
Considering its just that there are pretty few good arcane mages tbh
kind stag
i mean if we keep looking at such outliers we can forget about 90% of the classes
latent moss
Considering its just that there are pretty few good arcane mages tbh
they are pretty few good mages*
pug mages are demons
iron obsidian
its like 2 sequences
idk if it changed since beta but there were a good amount of mechanics revolving around procs double dipping and other nonsense i might be forgetting
latent moss
me when i dont use one of my 7 defensives
plucky fern
i mean i can even try to compete with rogues and mages, but damn that fucking red class is pissing me off
kind stag
pug mages are demons
REAL, i decline mages im sorry if it was any of you
dim basalt
Cuz they cant aim their orbs
kind stag
absolute terrorism
plucky fern
95% of mages cant even play their class, not doing even half of damage they are supposed to
iron obsidian
i made this (probably wrong) guide to help and i still couldnโt play it rotationally correct
iron obsidian
fire mage is climbing
dim basalt
We have a banger fire mage but fire is kinda bad atm
lime hare
if you forget that FDK exists, arms is looking good
FDK BoS please my ADHD brain better than Adderall
kind stag
that doesnt die offscreen 15s into the m+
iron obsidian
that doesnt die offscreen 15s into the m+
I can do that twice in half the time
plucky fern
i mean there are a few classes that do better damage than us but its at least conditional damage that needs to be setuped correctly and required hard work
fdk just presses breath every 2 minutes and doing 10 mil dps in a pack
like what is this shit
latent moss
We have a banger fire mage but fire is kinda bad atm
xd
plucky fern
a monkey can pilot fdk
latent moss
kind stag
yeah but it has to play breath
lime hare
sometimes it's not about the damage, but just the gameplay loop
kind stag
which plays like shit
plucky fern
no breath build also playable
dim basalt
<:clueless:1099922541923024997>
I mean, it is in ST
lime hare
FDK breath is rewarding because the gameplay loop is pleasing
kind stag
people droping fdk because of breath has been a thing since forever people hate that skill
plucky fern
the meta in high keys is all breath because tanks can handle enormous pulls
but for pugging breath build is grief
lime hare
That's just my opinion, but i value gameplay loop higher than actual numbers or whatever the "tierlists" are based on
plucky fern
yeah yeah but the dophamine of being top dps is there for everyone even if you say the opposite
latent moss
I mean, it is in ST
it isnt?
kind stag
aint no dopamine hitting me if it plays like ass
i have been eternally spoiled by heroic leap, charge and lot of other warrior skills its too hard to play anything else
plucky fern
the problem is fdk plays great and outperforms everyone
kind stag
subjective
plucky fern
you are unkillable and rotation is smooth
mobility is the only lackluster
in dk specs
kind stag
for me there is no scenario where such a wheelchair with breath or pimple popping is "great"
fishing for rng procs and whatnot
plucky fern
i cant get over that i have 5.4mil hp as warrior, and a random dk shitter that has 10 itemlevels lower than me has like 6.5
kind stag
and i love DK as a class
lime hare
yeah yeah but the dophamine of being top dps is there for everyone even if you s...
Sir/maam, i have burnt out dopamine receptors, being top dps makes me feel nothing
kind stag
because they gotta tank half the shit we just leap out of any AoE
plucky fern
dont need leaps when you have bajillion hp and 4 defensive buttons
plucky fern
well, me too, thats why im playing warrior
lime hare
it's fun to facetank the world with lichborne
plucky fern
but still
kind stag
add spawning far? leap, kill, charge back at boss
kind stag
Aoe you gotta drop? leap last second then charge back
plucky fern
no day without complaining thats the rule here
kind stag
boss doing mass aoe around him? leap out last second
kind stag
ER is top #1 defensive imo
plucky fern
die by the sword is peak defensive
latent moss
i love healing for 3 health bars
plucky fern
you can recover if your tank dies
latent moss
while doing my rotation
plucky fern
just tank boss for 10 seconds
enough for CR even with the dumbest pugs ever
even works with packs because you are most likely number 2 threat
just have to be quick pressing that
kind stag
i love healing for 3 health bars
its so good man
lime hare
just tank boss for 10 seconds
as a "former" tank, I call DPs snapping aggro defensive cooldowns
weak wave
What is a "two talent build"?
latent moss
peak hero talent design
when both play the same talents
and play the same on st
u are just channeling a different spell
livid cloak
They don't though, rav vs bs, and colo adds demolish. In a game where you have a 4 button rotation, swapping 2 is a big change
(Sarcasm)
livid cloak
Although, I really like how st slayer plays
I find it very enjoyable
And I like aoe colossus, so I'm pretty happy with arms atm
fresh spire
Peak design where mortalstrike is bad in the mortal strike hero tre
Who would have guessed a natty 20% nerf from Fated data would have killed colossus
slow saddle
๐คฃ
Ngl i thought big ms with col big exe with slayer
These days its just sad ms on bott
bronze sand
is there a weakaura that tracks our 4set?
shadow ibex
Colossus and slayer running same talents is fuckin criminal
scenic wind
so i picked up warrior at the beginning of the xpac and went all in on learning and gearing fury, crafted mythic 2h sword +embellished bracer. i know this is behind in dps for arms but is it worth waiting to learn arms until i can craft 2x duskthreads pieces?
also, idk anything about arms, is it pretty simple to pick up?
arctic hearth
finally home! Vault time!
scenic wind
finally home! Vault time!
gl gl
shadow ibex
So orator trinket just permanently uptime str?
Had like 97% uptime on random normal I did
signal marsh
Does anyone know how mad queens mandible interracts with this weeks affix? since its whole bar is an absorb shield
arctic hearth
swap spelunker's with mark and run 2x on use or na? idk if sim can use 2x on use. mby I didnt understand the sim or it's just not good
potent cedar
Is it more is arms feeling kinda weirdge
Feel like the rotation was a bit more intuitive in DF
and skullsplitter sucks, man
dim basalt
Doesnt feel that unintuitive for me
But I agree that Skullsplitter kinda sucks
Would be so much better if it made the dots tick 100% faster without cutting the duration
raven ridge
Yeah I hate having to click rend so much with skullsplitter
random ibex
They should have left skullsplitter the way it used to be where it just consumed DOTS instantly.
dim basalt
Not sure if that is any better
covert charm
why does the arms FAQ not touch the colossus M+ builds?
but it seems to be rather successful
plucky fern
its outdated
you can check arms m+ guide on maxroll that reeves made
its up to date with colossus info
covert charm
ahhh thank you
plush hill
Yeah I hate having to click rend so much with skullsplitter
They can made that rend applied trough auto attacks(make talent), and leave skull splitter like it is now
shy dagger
Would you say its worth it to spec into the anti shield throw? for this week afixx?
idk how much damage it deals
kind stag
no
weak wave
How do you get rid of the dot/slow at Zekvir "??"?
dire hinge
How do you get rid of the dot/slow at Zekvir "??"?
the Slayer talent, Relentless Pursuit, makes it so that Charge removes movement imparing effects once every 30 seconds
that will remove the slow, and also the DoT
Brann can also dispel you if it's on cooldown
nova marsh
Bladestorm also counts
weak wave
the Slayer talent, Relentless Pursuit, makes it so that Charge removes movement ...
This doesnt work if he is chasing me ๐ฆ
dire hinge
he can't run at you while he's casting it ๐
that's when you walk away or leap out then charge back in
nova marsh
Stand as far apart as you possibly can from him
without letting him move
Also to prevent fears
daring heron
yeah start running while he's casting it
if you forget and you dont have leap, you can also try to charge a brann egg or cocoon spawn if either is up
high finch
do you think arms is ahead of fury now with the nerfs at 615+ ilvl?
for m+ and raid
with 4set n all
thick kelp
Depends
daring heron
yes just leap after the strong pull happens at 1s remaining on cast
daring heron
if you leap before that 1s mark, you'll get pulled back in
tranquil sundial
yeah
high finch
I'm thinking of going arms but fury is so much smoother in playstyle but I am so much behind in 10 keys... compared to other dps same ilvl or even lower...
thick kelp
Swapping to arms aint helping with that
trim elk
guys please explain to me why dragon roar should be casted before avatar on opener?
cuz I dont get it
I;m new to arms in TWW
๐
tranquil sundial
cos you wanna cast other globals during avatar
thunderous roar does fk all initial dmg
dire hinge
guys please explain to me why dragon roar should be casted before avatar on open...
the initial hit of Thunderous Roar is incredibly weak, we care about the DoT it puts on people afterwards
trim elk
yeah but, doesnt dot scale with avatar?
dire hinge
it does, automatically
trim elk
AH
dire hinge
you don't have to pre-cast avatar
tranquil sundial
snapshotting isnt a thing anymore
white pivot
in st do we worry about lining up roar/cs after opener? or fine to send desynced
dire hinge
desynced is fine
river ridge
desynced is fine
For some reason I got a, "if you don't have homemade, store bought is fine" vibe from this comment.
limpid hornet
Damn bois my raidbot is drunk af
Telling me 606 Ritual Knife is 10k higher than 619 Mark of Khardros
dire hinge
For some reason I got a, "if you don't have homemade, store bought is fine" vibe...
i did just do a baking demo yesterday on how to make browned butter chocolate chip cookies 
home made definitely the move
manic stirrup
Damn bois my raidbot is drunk af
Telling me 606 Ritual Knife is 10k higher than ...
whatโs your other trinket
limpid hornet
whatโs your other trinket
dire hinge
Damn bois my raidbot is drunk af
Telling me 606 Ritual Knife is 10k higher than ...
generally Mark should be better, though they're also like within 1% of each other
manic stirrup
double on use bad
elfin violet
fuck sims go by instinct
limpid hornet
double on use bad
yeah feels clunky to me too but i don't have anything good like Ara kara trinket or Eggs from Ovinax so guess it will have to do
shadow ibex
double on use bad
It could be worse tbh. Using X2 dam on use atm
Myth track orator and a mqm
Orator stacking str buff seems cracked
shadow ibex
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ifkx7gro7st2sUzx6CWiZX
3min sim also
might affect trinkets
getting a second cast of one and not another etc etc
wild heart
limpid hornet
3min sim also
True, tried 5m and 6m same outcome
ebon garden
juggernaught for this week in m+ ?
fringe moon
juggernaught for this week in m+ ?
if you're running 10's, your build shouldn't change. Also with the weekly affix, juggernaut makes sense since you can execute to your hearts content on the add spawn
shadow ibex
True, tried 5m and 6m same outcome
ritual knife is also just pretty good its static main and secondary
and the debuff isn't too big. at the very least its counterd by the mainstat and mast buff
tranquil sundial
on use stuff desyncs this week in m+
somber dome
idk, i tried playing arms now after fury main. I cant get used to it. rip
feels clunky AF
tranquil sundial
idk arms in m+ doesnt feel clunky at all, but to each their own xd
shadow ibex
i think colossus feels a lil clunky.
tranquil sundial
only on ST during execute if you dont got the execute rage refund
soft zinc
How is arms in M+ compare to Fury?
shadow ibex
rage is very feast or famine you dont need it at all until you press execute
tranquil sundial
you'll run out of rage
shadow ibex
i really wish we had an aoe rage dump so i wasnt sitting mostly at cap during big pulls just pressing cleave and OP
i guess if you squint exe is an aoe dump since it gives demo back faster 
kind stag
zekvir on arms is so free lol
weak wave
zekvir on arms is so free lol
Try the "??" one
kind stag
outside of not being able to reflect the fear anymore, its not that bad
weak wave
outside of not being able to reflect the fear anymore, its not that bad
My Brann always dies at 40-30%. Try to ress him in that AoE shit
lime hare
arms will be the death of me because i keep pressing Thunder Clap instead of Cleave 
noble oxide
Which embellishments do we take? Acension wep?
kind stag
what content you doin?
noble oxide
Both raid and m+
shadow ibex
how would u guys use mandate
On pull then charge is what I do
I don't wanna be in melee when it hits cuz I don't trust tanks to have agro 
strange perch
Guys do I always save skullsplitter when thunderous is 10secs off CD?
old urchin
I don't wanna be in melee when it hits cuz I don't trust tanks to have agro <:sa...
Nooooo joke lol. I got mythic weapon in vault this week and if demolish is spicy enough with CDโs mobs will turn and look at me now
tiny dock
just me or voidbound is p annoying
dim basalt
Voidbound is terrible
tiny dock
so not just me
dim basalt
2nd boss SV is unplayable
tiny dock
bitch is fkin tanky
dim basalt
Used to have 14M hp at +10, now its 33M
tiny dock
what the
manic stirrup
they buffed the bonus you get too
so its not for nothing
but yeah annoying affix
dim basalt
Sure its not for nothing but it still requires way too much now
I thought last weeks affix was bad already
fringe moon
does the CDR from this week's affix reduce every type of CD?
unborn oak
How is the Trinket "Skarmorak Shard" simmed? does it take the extra mastery from dying adds into account? Got the chance to take that as myth track, but Princess "Treacherous Transmitter" On-Use seems better even on hc on simms. But i wonder with all the adds encounters in raid, does the Skarmorak shard maybe get some more hidden value or is it negligible?
What do u guys think about Princess Trinket in General, pog or bait?
solid totem
So I have 11k Haste and 7k crit, and reading our guides, crit is supposed to be our number 1 stat, but every sim I am running is showing that I should switch to heavier haste gear of the same ilvl, or occasionally slightly lower ilvl for something that has haste vs crit (Like a 600 haste piece vs a 603 crit piece). I feel like I am getting crossed wires on my sims vs what guides say. Is crit that much worse?
quiet quest
Sims > guides
solid totem
Sims > guides
Makes sense. I guess it is just bothering my OCD brain that crit is supposed to be #1 and haste seems so much more valuable for my character
dim basalt
So how do I farm valorstones while the affix is shit to play
frank moss
Arms or fury best
bronze sand
which flask do we want to use?
smoky kayak
How is the Trinket "Skarmorak Shard" simmed? does it take the extra mastery from...
it does if you sim with multiple targets that die (dungeon slice, hac, beastlord, etc)
for fights with a lot of adds as Arms, I'd probably lean into SkarShard, since more of its damage is sustained rather than concentrated burst
for Fury, it's more 50/50, but I think Mark is actually slightly better in most situations, given how high its damage spikes compared to how low it falls after CDs
unborn oak
it does if you sim with multiple targets that die (dungeon slice, hac, beastlord...
Thank you very much for the detailed answer!
sullen jacinth
Noob question, I have been waiting for hero gear to make into tier sets but I am not getting good drops. Should I just use the thread on a piece of champ gear for the tier bonus?
er silk not threat.
fringe moon
Noob question, I have been waiting for hero gear to make into tier sets but I am...
What difficulty of content do you do?
sullen jacinth
I have only done 7s so far
fringe moon
Really up to you tbh..tier only adds a few % anyways.
If it were me, Iโd save my catalyst charges for a hero item
Otherwise youโre wasting your crests upgrading champ gear
And then youโll get a hero item that youโll want to catalyst again
sullen jacinth
exactly ok thanks man
inner wasp
i feel like im dedicating too much brainpower to properly spending sd procs
brain feels like soup when i realize i dropped jugg while sitting on a proc
slender sonnet
finally a good log
wintry scroll
do u guys track this
quick edge
It lights up for you
manic river
Well, I gor kicked from my raid rooster.... , and it was not rudely or anything, all with kind words and the prospect to "come back when you are improving", but they kicked me
And I still don't understand what I'm doing that wrong in ST other than for example loosing active time in bosses with complicated mechanics
quick edge
Did you post a log in the log review channel
manic river
No, they were withing the guild, I'm still new to many things like tracking stuff
Maybe I will be able to get it from the guild page
quick edge
Try to and get warcraft logs and start logging each raid
manic river
finally a good log
Nice
quick edge
You can also get the simulation craft addon and sim your character, then follow that rotation and try to get an understanding of it. You can also check out top warrior logs on wcl
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/m4Q3Ny2VK8fc6XdJ#fight=12&type=casts&source=16&view=timeline
languid wyvern
Yikes, arms nerfs. Did OP specs get nerfed as well?
languid wyvern
Yeah just checked - this is really insane
sly venture
What do you guys use for tracking Lethal Blows? (Set bonus) Luthxos or something else?
languid wyvern
Nerfs on top of nerfs while everything actually OP are completely un nerfed, maybe even buffed
tranquil sundial
well p much arms kek
languid wyvern
Well arms slayers is arms
mortal rivet
Tbf this is also the one in November not hotfixes or next weekโs changes etc
languid wyvern
Nobody has and nobody will play Colossus Arms in raid
thick kelp
nobody playing srt bleeding in m+ when 1v5 exists
languid wyvern
well true that
tranquil sundial
whens this patch?
shadow ibex
lmao
daring heron
arms continues to catch strays due to fury changes
grizzled hare
Is there any knowledge regarding the "Befouler's Syringe"? I have an iLvl 619 one and my vault just gave me a weapon that I can upgrade to the same level. Today I was reading some comments on the topic of the Syringe saying it's marginally better on Single Target but severly hampers AoE and a lot of raids have some sort of adds involved. In addition, someone mentioned the sims are bugged regarding the Syringe procs so double checking here to make sure.
hollow rune
syringe is an agi weapon so you're missing a lot of strength, wouldn't use it unless it's a massive weapon damage upgrade but always sim
thick kelp
me when i spread missinformation
grizzled hare
It doesn't have Agility either actually so it's mainly the weapon damage + proc but if the sim isn't bugged then I guess the crit haste neck I got is better
hollow rune
I thought it was agi because that's what polearms are right now but the point is it doesn't have strength
cyan sage
time to cook colossus bleed build 
thick kelp
that 0.9% buff really gonna make bleed build pop now
shadow ibex
no MS buff btw
i mean ill take any colossus buff but also maybe look at these cursed talent situation
warped spade
Nobody has and nobody will play Colossus Arms in raid
I will when they remove root from demolish
steep osprey
arms continues to catch strays due to fury changes
Looks to me like those are intended to be arms nerfs
thick kelp
Doesnt matter when neither spec should be even close to the nerf bat
crude swallow
finally a good log
where is this ?
steep osprey
Doesnt matter when neither spec should be even close to the nerf bat
I'm not saying you're not right
slender sonnet
where is this ?
SIKRAN
quaint otter
finally a good log
gray steeple
It doesn't have Agility either actually so it's mainly the weapon damage + proc ...
For fury, it was better than a comparable ilvl weapon for ST and about equal for MT. Lost in sims for higher ilvl weapons.
Not simmed it for Arms or vs crafted but assume itโs the same otherwise.
thick kelp
edgy solstice
it's over
edgy solstice
at this rate i'm gonna rather dig out my old ps2 and actually play shadow of the colossus over this
shy dagger
to be honest, aoe colosus build its pretty fun to play, demolish numbers go brrrrrrrrr
tranquil sundial
might be worth to go arthurian bleed now
thick kelp
misty bridge
shy dagger
they reverted the affix buff
lol
This week's Mythic+ affix, Voidbound, is now much harder, but the reward has been massively increased as well!
Edit #1: The shield health has now been reverted.
sullen plover
For fury, it was better than a comparable ilvl weapon for ST and about equal for...
Was getting the same results. Syringe was only slightly better in pure ST. Not worth using in MT and not worth using for Arms.
I used it on off hand, memeing around on single target only clear
shy dagger
ptr patch notes about class each class is a wall of text, warrior changes: WARRIOR
Championโs Spear icon has been updated.
Arms
Warbreakerโs radius increased to 10 yards (was 8 yards).
Fury
Crushing Force now increases Bloodthirst critical strike damage by 5/10% (was critical strike chance by 2/4%).
literally nothing
thick kelp
old notes buddy
coral crescent
shy dagger
not like this, i just saw them updated lmao
loud wadi
shy dagger
i may seriously start playing colosos on keys, i had fun with it and the damage was pretty on pair, the burst felt good
vast helm
save warriors please
edgy solstice
colo was already becoming the play in keys
i dont think this makes me swap off the cleave talent tho
thick tartan
i feel Blizzard do Not Play their own game, it is ridiculous how my damage IS dropped compard all my mates in my guild. Frost Dk and retri have Lot more DMG and Not getting nerfed what the fuck is this
edgy solstice
this kinda kills jugg in keys at least
prisma heart
Yo are there any tips or tech with using transmitter or is it just yolo and send it with CDs but without losing a use kind of thing
cedar cape
Does blizzard have a problem with warriors?
cedar talon
tepid prawn
We were too strong in classic raiding 20 years ago thats the problem
cedar cape
we are getting nerfed meanwhile both specs of dks and mages
are strong
I don't understand the nerfs
empty gull
Is wow analyzer correct to use now? I remember someone saying it was not working for a while.
sharp wyvern
arms isnt even overperforming
i dont get it
might be to get collosus and slayer closer together in dps
what else would it be
carmine knoll
Yeah was about to say does this mean that colossus will over take for arms ?
edgy solstice
no
polar briar
Wasn't arms good last expansion? Gotta nerf because of that still ๐
noble wigeon
I will never play Colossus since it's pretty much tied to Ravager's hip
polar briar
Just to be on the safer side
karmic reef
gusty oxide
Welcome to the warrior cycle, have fun for two weeks, then cry for two years....
edgy solstice
Slayer still a good margin ahead in ST, Colo was already becoming the play in keys
sacred cedar
๐ญ
sharp wyvern
p1 moment
edgy solstice
These nerfs kinda kill the few keys where you would play jugg
sharp wyvern
get to p2 and it gets easier cause less auto attacks
sacred cedar
yea
slender sonnet
fury was a mistake
astral talon
soft viper
so if we're runnin the slayer wowhead build for m+ for this tyran week do we still need to hold on to bonegrinder or can we pop it into something like battlelord since tyran week
noble wigeon
question....Reap the Storm, is that proc considered a Bladestorm (in that if Unhinged is talented it casts a MS) or is it just a separate ability?
edgy solstice
separate
noble wigeon
thx
sacred cedar
we did it
devout pewter
I love how classy and chill this channel is compared to fury channel lmao
lime plank
is it possible to get two times duskthread linen embellishment? (might be a silly question but am unsure)
wispy kettle
is it possible to get two times duskthread linen embellishment? (might be a sill...
the vers buffs do stack yes
quick edge
The guide says execute to refresh jugg in st. If I only have 1 sd proc and no jugg I should send it to get jugg going right?