arms

[jagged flare]

Didn't 2h weapons use to have the same stats/speed/damage?
Also which one is better. Closer or higher end dmg for arms.

[sterile geyser]

doesn't matter

[twilit roost]

i think its just oversight from what it used to be, dmg is irrelevant now that they are all the same speed

STR, secondaries is all that matters really

[shadow ibex]

its just flavor

[twilit roost]

^

craft the one with the mog you like

[smoky kayak]

it's not oversight, it's just old flavor

[manic river]

I have also seen some pretty high ramapage damage on raids, but maybe that's a single case thing

[astral yarrow]

that'll be ST bosses

[manic river]

Discrimination!!

Or just fucking separate the skills for each spec, like it happens in many other classes that do not play the same on each sec, for the love of god Blizz

[summer shore]

what's your big pull opening rotation guys

[astral yarrow]

reck+ava+roar-rampage-BS-OF

[shadow ibex]

get em boys

[astral yarrow]

oh

[twilit roost]

charge - > tclap -> warbreaker -> avatar +roar +trinket (macro) -> bladestorm -> rest of rotation

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/dodgeball-ben-stiller-youre-funny-joke-maker-joke-gif-5487857

[astral yarrow]

TC-Roar-sweep-cs+avatar-bladestorm

you'll sweep after cs+avatar if you play warbreaker

[twilit roost]

an argument could be made to macro charge + avatar to maximise duration, but i dont like to risk wasting it on a random mob i charge to 😄

[summer shore]

nothing changed then

[mortal rivet]

What is this warbreaker nonsense

[twilit roost]

not really, we dont have to juggle hurricane stacks now

[twilit roost]

you dont want 30% dmg boost to an entire pack with cd's just to gain a small ST boost?

i only use BI for raid tbf, warbreaker is just nice for bursting

[summer shore]

any thoughts on exhilarating blows im m+

[twilit roost]

i think it could work, if you fish for reap the storm procs, reliant more on rngesus though

[astral yarrow]

the ST boost far outweighs the AOE loss

Blunt Instruments is just broken with 30% haste for 13 seconds

[summer shore]

also are you taking ss in m+

[astral yarrow]

exhilarating blows kinda blow

since you're pressing cleave so much anyway

[summer shore]

ye I kinda like it resetting in big pulls

[twilit roost]

it does feel kinda juicy if you get a reset chain that all proc mini bs with it

[astral yarrow]

it feels good, but it really isnt

[daring heron]

blunt vs warbreaker on st

[twilit roost]

i bow to your wisdom

[lethal acorn]

[daring heron]

when they changed iftk to last as long as cs, blunt's value went up in aoe too

not as good as warbreaker in aoe but close enough, and way ahead in st

[thick hamlet]

3 sec of haste does all that?

[astral yarrow]

look at this tryhard actually giving proof to my claim

[mortal rivet]

They bring math stuff, I just have the feelings

[lethal acorn]

haste and the cs debuff + bonus cs damage

[summer shore]

but using bi in big pull feels badddd

[daring heron]

i ran that sim recently so i had it to hand!

[twilit roost]

i dont really sim anything, i've just been winging it with feeling the whole time! 😄

[twilit roost]

either way, appreciate the clarity my dude

[thick hamlet]

and thanks

[astral yarrow]

fuck you

and have a nice day

[lethal acorn]

Colossus is cool!

[daring heron]

wow aagaard i thought we were friends

[astral yarrow]

i should've replied to the guy above me, but it seemed a little harsh

then i remembered the gif of it

but felt it was weird to delete both messages

[thick hamlet]

the hell did i do

[astral yarrow]

it was the

i will NOT be talked down to by a colossus player

[twilit roost]

forgot the custard

[astral yarrow]

and then followed buy a thanks

[lethal acorn]

[thick hamlet]

i do not recall

[astral yarrow]

@daring heron please use emote privilege to post susge

[daring heron]

where

[thick hamlet]

can't wait for the next season when we lose the 4p and go back to spamming execute

[astral yarrow]

rn

right here

[astral yarrow]

@daring heron this message

[thick hamlet]

i'd like to request that you don't

[twilit roost]

isnt that what we do anyways

[astral yarrow]

@daring heron ty man lvoe you

[lethal acorn]

You wanna burn at least one charge of overpower for the 4 pc

[thick hamlet]

this is direct one to one abuse of power

[daring heron]

np bro

[thick hamlet]

i will not be subbing to your channel for your weakauras anymore

[twilit roost]

i figured we were on the exe x2 -> ms ->repeat, with the OP in there when rage was bad or ms on cd

which is alot atm

[daring heron]

you dont need to sub to me for my ui stuff anyway

[lethal acorn]

Yeah but do you have the 4 piece set

That changes it a bit

[twilit roost]

i do, and i just took for it a small bonus, when/if, i never really changed my play around it

[lethal acorn]

10-20% more damage isn't small

[twilit roost]

execute takes so much rage these days that using OP in execute phase is common enough

[daring heron]

im not looking forward to explaining my new ui, it's an amalgamation of firedup's "non-elvui elvui-like" ui with lots of atrocity's weakauras and textures etc. + my own tweaks

[lethal acorn]

Also the 2 piece buffs overpower too so you always wanna weave at least 1 overpower when you have both just to trigger the bonuses

[daring heron]

lots of people asked me if i finished my non-elvui ui today while i was playing with it

[thick hamlet]

honestly didn't know, was just making my 4th bad joke of the day

to be fair though, whenever your stuff comes up on youtube it's always good stuff

[twilit roost]

ye, but i mean, i feel like most of this just happens naturally in the way i play

[lethal acorn]

You wanna force it to get the bonus every time

[daring heron]

super happy with this

cant even tell it's not elvui anymore

[unique warren]

guys

any help me in a craft ?

[twilit roost]

reminds me of toxiui a little?

[daring heron]

idk lots of people use uis that look like this now

[unique warren]

ring craft crit/haste its a good?

or have a other craft with weapon?

[thick hamlet]

@unique warren not to be that guy, but a lot of what u need can be found on the usual guides

and as a side note, i always find looking up players on murlok.io to help a lot

[unique warren]

I wanted this for a friend and he told me to look at this guide, I'm going to look at it right now,

thanksss

[smoky kayak]

I hate your buff bars

I like Elkano, but you gotta blacklist some shit to keep the stack from growing too deep

[daring heron]

oh the ones near minimap

[smoky kayak]

yeah, traditional duration bars instead of icons

[daring heron]

i dont think i actually need to see them

[smoky kayak]

you don't need to see the majority of buffs, I agree

[daring heron]

yeah prolly will tweak that

[smoky kayak]

I have a ton of stuff blacklisted - mounts, perma buffs, things I use weakauras for, etc

otherwise mid raid that list of bars can be all the way down to the bottom of my screen lol

so it takes a bit of finangling, but I like seeing the name of buffs, instead of trying to decipher icons

[daring heron]

yeah these are just default blizz with skinned icons

will look at making that cleaner, definitely needs stuff filtered out at the very least

[ornate mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/destroy-the-sith-star-wars-it-was-said-that-you-would-destroy-the-sith-not-join-them-gif-16486235

^My reaction to critcake leveling a dk

[dire hinge]

had a single Mandate crit against Stitchflesh after he took 3 spears to the face

[smoky kayak]

not actually a lot of damage, it just looks huge because the rest of his kit is Arms

[minor gust]

its funny because its true

[hazy flower]

My guild is considering

1 arms 1 fury

For ovinax

Atm were overkilling adds a lot and theyre thinking what to drop

From aoe to st

😎

[bronze ether]

can I bladestorm and run over webs on mythic ulgrax without being stunned

[shadow ibex]

yes

[hazy flower]

Maybe ill get to spam ms

[bronze ether]

sweet ty

[smoky kayak]

honestly not the worst idea in the world, you can still drop Bladestorm on at least every other pack

[hazy flower]

also was thinking cleave

reap the storm can go pretty wild

x1 bb for cleave and you wont even lose much st

[smoky kayak]

Yeah you'd likely still take cleave too, unless the adds are just getting globalled

[manic stirrup]

thats playable for sure

[minor gust]

lmao our Rashanan kill I got tether at the end and accidentally jumped off to get out faster

[hazy flower]

yeah cleave with reap sounds pretty good

[echo fern]

So i'm current fury was gettinga lot of arms focused loot and getting kinda tilted though to look at logs to see if it's viable and 90th percentile arms is way ahead is this just a random week or arms actually pulling ahead now and safe to go without being told I'm throwing

[manic stirrup]

play whatever you want

both specs are viable for all content

[echo fern]

kinda what I was hoping to hear, cause the amp for fury is insane and I'm just getting shat on by drops xD yeah means i have to recraft my wep and bracers and but hey hoe

[nova marsh]

No spec in this game is unviable expect maybe fire mage

But to say arms was unviable before is a WILD overstatement

[hazy flower]

fire got buffed

like 3 times in a row

and it's far from being not viable

[manic stirrup]

fire is saved

[hazy flower]

some people are advocating for fire instead of arcane even

I think ive seen forgy play it somewhere?

obv aside from rash

[manic stirrup]

on brood too

and someppl play it in keys

[hazy flower]

might be player diff

or just pi diff

but yeah

fire is gettin good

[manic stirrup]

6 buffs

smoge

[worldly kernel]

nothing more satisfying than seeing a big ol demolish

[balmy kindle]

You will be happy to know Colo is plenty viable in m+

[worldly kernel]

ye i only run it in keys

just shy of 25 i've been having to tank our groups keys so half my scores are all prot lol

[floral knoll]

will running arterial bleed in m+ give me a lil more st damage or not advisable over one against many

[manic stirrup]

yes and its fine to use

you lose a bit of aoe for some st

depending on your other talents its viable for sure

i use it personally

[floral knoll]

aight thanks ill give it a try

[balmy kindle]

Was running it during start of the season but found it quite underwhelming, you can definitely feel the damage difference with the cleave counterpart though

[teal fossil]

The problem is that you don’t get a lot of bleed damage with itb

I would sim artery vs one against many on st

And see if that gain is worth it

[floral knoll]

yeah getting about a 17k dps gain on patchwerk 3 min fight with arterial

now thinking if thats worrth the loss in m+ packs

[balmy kindle]

It's only good on bosses tho, like as colossus I feel I don't spend much time on 10 stacks since demo comes up real quick

It's like you just build towards dropping that cd and sending demo

[floral knoll]

true i didnt think about that i clear demo pretty much on cd

[still fox]

so demo on cd or wait 10 stacks? , and only with wb?

[brisk slate]

Demo on CD. It is ridiculously easy to build stacks so it comes down to about 30s CD at best.

[balmy kindle]

In opener I usually try to open with sweep>clap> TR avatar ravager into cleave and Ms, you can get like 4-5 stacks or even 6 if u get crits > demo with CS debuff still on

Ravager with unhinged applies stacks of colossal might, so it's quite useful for building fast stacks

Outside of that, you demo on CD

[pallid olive]

do we still go slarms for m+ or when is colossus better?

[manic stirrup]

whichever you want

colossus more aoe slayer more st

they average closely together

[livid cloak]

question - i got my 636 2h crafted - does that not give discounts on upgrading with the gilded crests?

i'm not seeing that i can upgrade another weapon without using gilded crests, past 619

[latent moss]

u will only need 15

for 636 to 639

idk its buggy as fuck

[limpid hornet]

Do you guys play warbreaker sometimes or do we stick with blunt every scenario ?

[latent moss]

sometimes u have to put that 636 in both offhand and mainhand

sometimes uh ave to relog idk

[balmy kindle]

Blunt is better

[latent moss]

wb as colossus bi as slayer

[livid cloak]

weird, okay

ill give it a shot

i was thinking it would work on 1h and shield for prot

[latent moss]

oh no only on 2hs

[limpid hornet]

ty @balmy kindle @latent moss

[latent moss]

(i think)

[balmy kindle]

Ah I still run blunt on Colossus tho because don't think I needed WB

[latent moss]

u kinda do cause demolish is a lot of ur damage and in general

colossus hits harder in aoe

especially during cds

[manic stirrup]

u can run either

[balmy kindle]

That's true, maybe I'll give it a go

[latent moss]

i mean obviously but

u are playing colossus for the aoe

might as well take more aoe

and wb isnt far behind on st anymore

[manic stirrup]

i think warbreaker feels so good with demolish that i dont rlly wanna spec out of it

[livid cloak]

top is blunt, bottom is warbreaker

1t 5m - just FYI

my char

in colossus

[manic stirrup]

thats pretty significant

[latent moss]

it is but it isnt 10%

since we fixed the sims

now sim 10t

[balmy kindle]

For me blunts duration feels very good but I can see why wb can be good

10 stacks demo on wb pack

[livid cloak]

heres 5t 2 min

wow - i put my 636 in my offhand, and then relogged and now the discount is working on 1h

ty!!

works on shields too

nice

also @manic stirrup ive been using your arterial bleeds build with strength of arms, and i really like it

solid cook - thanks for sharing

[manic stirrup]

no problem

arterial bleeds is only slightly behind the cleave talent in aoe

you wont see insanely big numbers with mbg but its good

[livid cloak]

but it works all the time, every pull, whether it's 1t or 10, you get the value

and it's nice and consistent

[manic stirrup]

as long as you get your rend up, yeah super consistent

[latent moss]

hooooly

gelly +13 mists

🎦

wait i think that run was logged

[daring heron]

dance of death 🧑‍🍳

[latent moss]

mans been cooking HARD

[thick kelp]

[manic stirrup]

with collateral you wanna use ravager late

so thats possibly not shit

chef boyardee

[thick kelp]

The more I look at dance of death the less it makes sense

[livid cloak]

agreed

[fast plover]

Same LOL

[thick kelp]

Doesnt even give more MBG uptime

[manic stirrup]

idek what it does

extend ravager right

[balmy kindle]

Don't u lose stacks alot to make it worth in m+?

[edgy solstice]

Dance value in mists with every pack having fodder

[latent moss]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4CXYaGDjBwnLWc2h#fight=3&type=summary

[manic stirrup]

when it kills it

[thick kelp]

Extends duration if something dies

[latent moss]

here is his log

13 mists with dance of death xd

also i found something funny in that log

[thick kelp]

Man why is DN not separated from OP

[manic stirrup]

thats battlelord

[latent moss]

wait did rio troll me

bro

[manic stirrup]

eta gg

[thick kelp]

eta gg

[latent moss]

eta gg

raider io trolling

talent calc leads to one with dance of death as well

[thick kelp]

om

[fast plover]

Smh

[latent moss]

fuck i thought there was a serious cook with that one

this is what rio leads u to btw

i do not want to play this

0 deft experience

100% u would at least once go through a whole pack without a single tactician reset

[fast plover]

yeah that's why i thought it was negative cook

0 deft on colossus feels bad(imo)

[latent moss]

man i just want colossus to drop exe talents and just turbo blast

with ms

[edgy solstice]

Go back in time like 3 months

[fast plover]

what's your favorite colo build?

I've just been using this

[thick kelp]

Would go SoA over Dn

[latent moss]

same

[edgy solstice]

dn?

[manic stirrup]

i agree

[fast plover]

Gonna try SoA next key, thanks bois

[latent moss]

bi is exactly 5% ahead on st

for me

[edgy solstice]

Soa over dn, sd over massa

[latent moss]

9% behind on 10t

[thick kelp]

10t

[edgy solstice]

Colo ain't worth unless your tank is pulling like that anyway

[manic stirrup]

i sim 8t i think 10 to high

[thick kelp]

Colossus but my tank has 30s downtime between packs

:horror

[fast plover]

Now sim 20t for 1st pull arak 🧠

[edgy solstice]

Half that pack is dead by the time tank gathers it

[latent moss]

6% on 5t

[latent moss]

wdym

i love

2 overseers

in grim batol

when my tank suddenly procs 4 cheat deaths in a row

[thick kelp]

[edgy solstice]

grimmy b is a slayer key

unforch

[latent moss]

grimmy b is a wait until nerfs key

did they nerf it

[thick kelp]

Prayers for all agility users farming the trinket from there

[fast plover]

aoe or jugg?

[edgy solstice]

Jugg

[latent moss]

slayer has one build and thats jugg everything else has no point

[edgy solstice]

Puch

P much*

[latent moss]

nvm it wasnt nerfed

2 +12 timed

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1270040420315037727.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[edgy solstice]

But most pug tanks are pulling at a rate where Colo ain't it yet

[latent moss]

@thick kelp bro pwar build looks diabolical

2x shield wall

shield wall on ava

fight throug hthe flames

bsv

yodas build is even more cooked

he doesnt even play punish

[thick kelp]

Link

and tag Nome

[latent moss]

yeah i was bout to do that

no way

no punish is good

tatt played punish at least in his 13s and shit

[fast plover]

would you still go jugg for low keys? I keep dropping my stacks
Might be a tiny bit of a skill issue tho

[manic stirrup]

nome already saw

[latent moss]

i wouldnt play arms in those keys ngl

[livid cloak]

no

[edgy solstice]

Go fury for low keys

[latent moss]

what did he say

i wanna know so bad

[manic stirrup]

too much effort to care about ppl doing dumb shit

[latent moss]

@thick kelp

[manic stirrup]

he has a guide ppl can look at for good information

the information is out there if ppl search

[latent moss]

ok he played the other ava capstone

[manic stirrup]

what else can you do

[latent moss]

tatt played the shield wall one in mists +13

[thick kelp]

45s roar > twords

om

[latent moss]

i just realized

[livid cloak]

weird not seeing spear in thane prot

[manic stirrup]

the crazy thing is saying roar + uproar is taken bc going for spear and 1 point in enduring alacrity or whatever the 5% stam node is

was “not worth the damage loss”

but like

the whole spec tree

[latent moss]

0 damage in spec tree

[thick kelp]

No ravager

[latent moss]

and he perma sits dstance which is w/e

i would as well in a 12 grim batol

as a tank

[thick kelp]

no bloodborn

[edgy solstice]

Ravager kinda cheeks now tho

[manic stirrup]

dstance is fine its only 3% crit

[latent moss]

yeah

[thick kelp]

Whats the point in going for 45s roar but no bloodborne

????

[manic stirrup]

not rlly a big deal anymore

[latent moss]

they removed the negative side

idk he cooks builds depending on what he feels like he needs in a key idk

[thick kelp]

I swear mythic + mains are just curve raiders who happen to be jobless and have 4 friends max

[latent moss]

yoda is like

[edgy solstice]

I mean yeah

[latent moss]

top 50 raider

and perma 100s

[thick kelp]

I wanna hear

reasoning behind 45s roar over spear

[latent moss]

same

[thick kelp]

0x bloodborne

[latent moss]

he is vodkas tank'

i just rembered

[thick kelp]

m+ guild holy

Also bolster is ??

[edgy solstice]

Prob issues gathering

Or just lazy

[latent moss]

ngl

[edgy solstice]

Need things grouped well for spear to be optimal

[latent moss]

idk

build cooked

i wanna hear his reasoning before flaming him

cause i doubt someone that perma 100s in raids and perma times the highest keys is stupid enough to do that

[manic stirrup]

its just wrong information

his rotation priority is just wrong information

theres not rlly any possible reasoning that can save it

[thick kelp]

He has Bolster for more Shield block uptime but then plays Into the Fray over Heavy repercussions

[latent moss]

maybe itf for more damage idk xddddd

i mean i can see why ud want

disrupting shout in this dungeon

its absolutely diabolical

those slashes

[thick kelp]

Ye disturbing i see

But the right side of his tree

[latent moss]

but bolster

[thick kelp]

makes me

??

[latent moss]

over punish

is

xddddddddd

[manic stirrup]

punish and enduring alacrity are 2 of the best points

[thick kelp]

Maybe he needs the Last stand cdr ??

[manic stirrup]

besides literally required talents

[latent moss]

maybe for timings idk

i am not doing 12s

idk

[thick kelp]

40s shieldwall + 2min laststand

[manic stirrup]

if he was worried about living

he plays stam node in class tree

but its not worth damage loss

who knows

[latent moss]

tbf

its not that big

that stamina node cause u lose rage gen

and haste

not sure realistically how big endurance training is defensively over wild strikes

[manic stirrup]

u just do 1 point

[thick kelp]

Just do this instead ??

[manic stirrup]

instead of crit

[latent moss]

yeah but then u cant roar

and he wants to roar

:3

yeah idk id just go spear and 1 endurance

[thick kelp]

What adds are there in that key

that he needs piercing howl for

[latent moss]

enforcers

piercing is 100% worth

[thick kelp]

no soothes

gg

[latent moss]

they will onetap you through shield wall at enoguh stacks

i saw

[thick kelp]

Real

[latent moss]

a bdks purg proc

through like

[manic stirrup]

wait piercing howl

i didnt even see that

thats alpha

[thick kelp]

I have been there when I tank Batols for my agi users

[latent moss]

shit ton of bloodshield

and rune tap

[manic stirrup]

idk why ppl drop rumbling earth

[latent moss]

and like 49235u defensive

[latent moss]

different affix

[manic stirrup]

warrior no utility

refuses to take 25 second stun

unlucky

[latent moss]

mass aoe

stun xd

mists 13

cinema

[manic stirrup]

but why

[balmy kindle]

I would tell you some warriors don't even put shockwave on their bars

[latent moss]

i get bsv cause its really good rn

i think

[manic stirrup]

no rumbling earth no sidearm no spellblock (anima slash lol)

bsv is functional

you dont drop enduring alacrity for it

either way

[latent moss]

u 100% need it in these keys

[thick kelp]

Barb training but no sidearm 🎦

[latent moss]

i think if u played 100% perfectly and nothing out of the ordinary happens

[balmy kindle]

Been having huge success running the extra sec stun talent on colo

[latent moss]

u can live without it

but always something outo f the ordinary will happen

[manic stirrup]

i highly doubt that

but either way

no spellblock

youll cheat on anima slashes

you can spell block

[latent moss]

yeah this is cooked

[manic stirrup]

maybe bsv is great value but like

no spellblock guarentees a cheat i feel like

in mists

[latent moss]

i was talkign about bsv in a vacuum

that tree is cooked

no spell block for anima slashes again no punish seems kinda int on st

and in general

[manic stirrup]

you have to lose ravager or shield charge for it

both help you live with more rage

so its not just completely free survivability

[latent moss]

ravager wont help u live through a massive hit tho

and as pwar u will never die from small hits

its also like

[latent moss]

u can live without it

but theres a pretty good chance something wont go the way u planned it to go

[wispy kettle]

got my zekvir ?? solo earlier as arms, shit was ROUGH

home boy spawned an egg under the raised platform on one of those pulls

[plain hollow]

in execute phase do I mortal strike only when i have 2 executes stacks, 2 tier bonus stacks and 2 overpower or when a rend needs to be reapplied?

[atomic mountain]

yep

[manic stirrup]

2 execute and 2 tier

doesnt have to be 2 op as well

[plain hollow]

alright thx kings

[mossy gazelle]

Its about time they brought back this 'Focus Rage :

Focus your rage on your next Mortal Strike, increasing its damage by 30%, stacking up to 3 times. Unaffected by the global cooldown'

[vapid bay]

Its about time they press the button to revert to legion arms

[inner wasp]

wait

do we not use whirlwind

in raid aoe build

or any build?

[daring heron]

find the legion warrior dev and hire him

[inner wasp]

do we not have whirlwind????

wtf

im behind the times

[daring heron]

cleave replaces ww

[inner wasp]

a

ahhh i forget how to aoe as arms

[fresh spire]

2x set/ or when rend needed

[proven rose]

hi guys, so the play now is fury for m+ and armys for ST raid ?

[fresh spire]

Fury for raid still

Wcl is a lie

[proven rose]

oh ok

same build with odys fury and all ?

[frigid cipher]

Arms is also just really good in the raid

But yea the rashanan change made fury look worse than it actually is

[woven jetty]

Not sure if it’s already on here, but I’m trying to track rend duration with a weakaura. For some reason I can’t get it to show me remaining time, only that the target has rend on them. Can anybody help or point me in the right direction. Thanks

[frigid cipher]

Can just do a premade aura for that

Premade -> icon -> debuff -> rend

[mossy gazelle]

@vapid bay @daring heron absolutely! Colossus Smash also felt like proper big cd back then

[modest carbon]

In Legion? Wasn't it basically just an uptime debuff since that's what tactician did? Or am I crazy

[daring heron]

pretty much yeah

but the resets felt very good

[woven jetty]

I will have a try tonight. Im pretty terrible with technology though

Thanks

[frigid cipher]

I’d link you one but I’m laying in bed

[fast plover]

50%+ crit mop fury & wotlk/cata arms > anything else

[frigid cipher]

could also go to display tab on your existing rend wa to the bottom where it says text and put %p

[latent moss]

legion arms solos

[woven jetty]

Do you mind if I’m struggling I get back to you later? 🫶

[modest carbon]

Bear with me here, I really enjoyed TBC Arms/2H Fury with slam timings 20 years ago or whatever it was

[fast plover]

same

[latent moss]

👴

[fast plover]

vanilla -> cata arms felt impactful

every button felt like a nuke compared to now

[inner wasp]

oh wait arms is just easy

[frigid cipher]

Sure

[inner wasp]

so in aoe just press buttons in prio w/ clap as a filler unless i have ss up in which case ms is the filler

its that ez?

[daring heron]

sure

[modest carbon]

isnt that like

every spec

in the game

[inner wasp]

idk i remember arms being a lot more target count reliant

and only pressing cleave at 2 op stacks

unless i still do that

[daring heron]

you only try to do that when possible if you have a stacked collateral

otherwise send on cd in aoe pretty much

[molten horizon]

So we must monitoring Lethal blows too?

[latent moss]

yes

opp and lb

need to track my opps

[inner wasp]

when do i wanna press ss in the aoe opener

[thick kelp]

Before CS

[steep lichen]

BIG healing parses

[inner wasp]

charge roar ava ss smash bs clap skullsplitter

?

[thick kelp]

before ava

ava and smash same global

[molten horizon]

so we must monitoring lethal blows, opportunist, sudden death , martial prowess, exe precission at the same time? :D

[thick kelp]

you shld clap after charge

[inner wasp]

right

[thick kelp]

charge clap roar ss ava cs

tho u can consider moving the SS after BS

[inner wasp]

but my cleaves

[thick kelp]

if you think pack will live long enough

sinec unhinged dont cleave no more

[latent moss]

idk i move ss after bs to spam exe

[inner wasp]

oh that happened to arms too

the guide lies!!

guide says it still cleaves

oooo seeing cleave do 2 mil dmg after ss ends feels good

[molten horizon]

where is better version?

[inner wasp]

so exe takes prio over overpower in aoe, unless in ss

in which case it dont

rage feels cosmetic again

at least in aoe

[daring heron]

it is

[latent moss]

it is

they fixed nothing

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[latent moss]

they legit just took df arms and made it worse

somehow

[arctic hearth]

This?

[latent moss]

yes

[arctic hearth]

Been playing colo and want to give slayer a go

[vapid bay]

yes please

hope for a rework next xpac

but big doubt

[latent moss]

18.0 new info

insider

[inner wasp]

so in execute we only press ms with 2x opportunist and 2x ep?

i gotta actually track opportunist?

wait i read that way wrong

wtf is this

[latent moss]

2 of that and 2 ep

thats 4p

[inner wasp]

oooooo ok

how tf do u not rage starve then

[latent moss]

u op with opportunist and less than 80 rage and less than 2 stacks of mp

u dont drop below 70 rage

with bis gear

it can happen

but very very rare

[inner wasp]

i need to implement tracker for this

into my wa

[thick kelp]

Im just sending op whenever I have opportunist

unless capped rage

[inner wasp]

what makes ms re-apply rend

[latent moss]

bloodletting

[inner wasp]

ic

[arctic hearth]

Anyone have a working msbt addon?

[inner wasp]

i like pressing execute

execute phase is cool

how do i execute in aoe build/raid cleave build tho

wait, massacre doesnt give condemn animation anymore?

sad

[vapid bay]

fr

and execute doesnt glow when usable

[latent moss]

its defualt

default

and ofc its fucking yellow

[inner wasp]

oh ur right i did notice that

but i meant the red

[latent moss]

why does everything have to be yellow

not even yellow

[inner wasp]

i want the red!

[latent moss]

more like shit color

[inner wasp]

consider more dietary fiber

[latent moss]

its not brown eeither

[inner wasp]

if ur shit is that color

..

[latent moss]

my shit is blue

[inner wasp]

wizard alert

[inner wasp]

ok arms is fun actually

i dont need fury!

the nerfs mean nothing to me...

[manic river]

That's something I haven't asked before, in AoE what do we normally do with exe phase? weaving one skill with it or?

You may find yourself without SS

[thick kelp]

Depends on target count and SS

and if there is a big prio mob

[manic river]

I'm guessing up to 3 targets if you have SS that's fine for exe

[nova marsh]

You fool

They nerfed arms too

[manic river]

All warriors have to suffer by it

[neon niche]

for raid cleave u use st build
for multitarget u used multitarget build with normal prio on rotation or with single target prio rotation with sweepin strikes/mbg on prio targets

[white hedge]

hi there, after the changes, is colossus any better than slayer in st/2 targets?

[neon niche]

what changes

[white hedge]

nerf and what not to warrior, remember there was one sometimes ago
not too sure

rather keen on playing colossus just wondering if it got anything

[neon niche]

give it a shot on colossus on m+ its fun
I personally choose between slayer or colossus depending on the dungeon.

in the end its just a matter of preference or a team need (for m+)

for Nerubar slayer is better in every boss

[livid cloak]

Sikran and princess arms should be slightly better

[neon niche]

slayer and colossus is arms my man
and we are on the #arms (CHADS) sub channel not the degenerates sub channel

[livid cloak]

Oh yeah I just woke up and misread

[nova marsh]

Fury is maximum degen

Filthy padders

[fossil mantle]

colossus is the goat hero talent, i just wish it was better in ST. Its also a big issue for me since my gear is stacked with crit and slayer wants haste

[grim panther]

agreed

[burnt lake]

yeah i cant decide if i like colossus or slayer in m+. the single target is so nice for slayer

[modest carbon]

I swapped to Colossus. The difference in trash damage is too big, and the added DR is helpful with the low stamina pools warriors have since you can't get the Stam talent.

While the sustained ST is hurting in comparison, being able to solo things like spiders at first boss in Ara-Kara is helpful for group damage when the other two DPS can just stay on the boss, as an example.

Or maybe I'm just coping because I don't like Slayer

[inner wasp]

how come arms doesnt want ascendance crafts

and takes the vers instead

[neon niche]

no cope
colossus just feels too good

[inner wasp]

should i try colossus

[thick kelp]

It can take ascendance

sims equal at 70% uptime vs versa

[inner wasp]

if im trying to craft for both arms and prot i should prob just make the vers craft cloak tho huh

[modest carbon]

I personally think Ascendance is a bait for M+, drops too easy regardless of sims. But that's just me

[thick kelp]

Ye

[neon niche]

just tive it a shot dude ur life dont depend on it
there's a build with juggernaut or with merciless bone grinder

Id rather pick merciless bone grinder with warlords torment and ravager
but its up to you
the playstyle doesnt differ too much (really)
as most of ur demolishes will align with blunt weapon colossus smash

[thick kelp]

if u craft for prot + arms go 2x versa

wrist + cloak is most optimal but depending on your current gear you could benefit on having it on another piece for now

[inner wasp]

we love the tusks

optimal combat visibility

[kind stag]

blind rage

[neon niche]

cleaving with mbg as colossus 🤤 makes me moan IRL

[inner wasp]

i wanna moan irl..

[kind stag]

[inner wasp]

overpower (no ss) is higher prio than overpower (ss)

so does overpower LOSE prio during ss

in favor of ms

[thick kelp]

Does ms do more damage than op

[inner wasp]

ig that makes sense

i fucked up the options anyways i had both slayer and colossus selected

xd

OP still takes prio it seem

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[inner wasp]

colossus feels good whats the downside

[thick kelp]

You do not have real ST

[inner wasp]

mmm

fort week hero talent?

[modest carbon]

there is no fort week, unless you plan to never go above 9

[thick kelp]

fort week dont exist ifyou play real keys

[rose parrot]

can bring two other strong ST dps and have fun with it

[inner wasp]

i havent gotten to 9s yet

no bully :(

[thick kelp]

If you play with premade they can carry boss damage

[rose parrot]

is my take anyway

[thick kelp]

(the other two will still do more aoe btw)

[rose parrot]

but you will be 5% bigger than them

I see this as an absolute win

[modest carbon]

and get to scream at your druid typhooning away your demolish

they will be happy

[glass ingot]

guys is the dungeon slice sim accurate for arms?

[rose parrot]

big brain spear first

[inner wasp]

so is building for colossus aoe a meme then and i should do more st damage

[modest carbon]

Spear doesn't bring them back fast enough, it's apparently a big pvp issue. still breaks demo

[rose parrot]

oh that's so lame

IMO fruiter colossus is a bit of a for fun build. But it is super fun

and we play the game for fun at the end of the day

[modest carbon]

I dunno, I feel like with 4 set it has a place instead of Slayer in keys

[rose parrot]

could argue that Arms as a spec is a for fun spec relative to other classes and stuff

yeah I bet it for sure has some applications if you need big on-demand burst, which is always great for keys

I could be wrong as hell on my take

[inner wasp]

arms gonna be the warrior aoe spec when they delete fury in anniversary patch

🙏

[rose parrot]

but ultimately I think it's most important to just play what feels fun for you, is my point

rather than worry too much about optimizing

[modest carbon]

Sure, but optimizing is fun, to a certain degree, for certain people

[rose parrot]

mmhmm

[modest carbon]

Or within certain voids

[inner wasp]

im optimizing emotionally for the loss of fury

does that count

when using the slayer m+ build does execute phase remain the same

only ms at 2 stacks of tier and ep

[thick kelp]

ye

[thick hamlet]

i need an expert's opinion on Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg

[inner wasp]

bad

[thick hamlet]

it sims incredibly high, and im wondering why

[neon niche]

its simulation be clearer

[thick kelp]

Compared to what

[thick hamlet]

everythingg i got

[thick kelp]

U could have the best trinkets in the game or the worst

That does not say anythin

[thick hamlet]

even bloodmallet rates it higghly, but im assuming it's simming that high because it's somehow perfectly using the whole moving/stationary stats stuff

[inner wasp]

what am i supposed to be lining treacherous transmitter with

every avatar?

[thick kelp]

ye

[inner wasp]

alright im arms master now

thanks gamers

[acoustic mulch]

i have a question, if i play the avatar talent with sweeping strikes in the colossus m+ build, did the avatar SS procc extend the normal SS duration? or shpuld i play the gellyfisk build with shorter roar cd?

[neon niche]

how much do u bench

[neon niche]

yes it goes up to 23s

when I play MBG build I go with longer sweepin strikes
juggernaut, shorter roar cd

[acoustic mulch]

nice, and is the to go talent warbreaker for harder Demolish hits? or the longer iftk duration?

[neon niche]

blunt instruments is a default option

[inner wasp]

like 4

[neon niche]

go back to shadow priest discord

[boreal quartz]

Wb for colo baseline IMO

Then bi or even slayer for st keys

I rlly like bi in stone vault for ex

[wraith cave]

just switched to fury it seems to play nicer in M+

[nimble cairn]

I’m trying to get better with Arms as it’s my off spec. What is the priority in abilities to use? What abilities should be used on cooldown and the like?

[boreal quartz]

Ms>op>slam

Cs sks roar ava bs all on CD

[sweet ravine]

Keep it a buck with me yall. Is it time to go from fury to Arms?

[finite mantle]

it is time to eliminate the warrior class entirely

[shadow ibex]

[silk spade]

what about dn

[astral zephyr]

Hi fellow benchers, I am dipping my toes into arms for m+ and raiding. Where do I find like rotations n build and such

[nova marsh]

Wowhead is a good place

Also arms isn't on the bench

[rain shell]

hey arms enjoyers, do you have any macro for using sweeping strikes or do you just press it on cd

[leaden oracle]

on cd unless ST

[mortal rivet]

Never forget dn

[astral talon]

do i want sweeping strikes for demolish?

[astral zephyr]

My guild is just the boys raiding for fun, we’re at hc Ansu atm

[astral talon]

and do I get any stacks from cleave?

ok nvm i cant read

all gucci

[astral zephyr]

Is the prio order Exe>MS>OP>Slam

[neon niche]

the real question how much u bench
depending on ur answer u will be sent to the degenerates #fury or sometimes even worse straight to Kalamazi's warlock discord

[noble oxide]

Craft weapon with acendance + doubler or 2x versa embellish?

[fresh spire]

Overpower when : Opportunist buff is active and you have less than 80 rage
Mortal strike when :You have 2x set bonus active and 2xEP/ rend is low duration (You fully ignore MP Stacks as they are irrelevant, delaying for 2xmp on top is a dps loss, most times you have 1 or 2 stacks depending on your weaving on line above. Forcing 2 is bad)
Skull splitter when : You have less than 80 rage
Execute: full send regardless of rage
OP when you can't execute

OP With the buff is important to be weaved as it does super good damage and also helps delay rage starving, if you completely ignore it you will rage starve

[summer grotto]

Does arms feel good in high keys

[arctic hearth]

idk i've tried slayer jugg build and I dont get super good ST and AoE is so much worse 😒

mby im just using the wrong spec in the wrong keys

mainly playing colo

[neon niche]

st slayer jugg is literally:
align avatar with colossus smash >
colossus smash and roar on cd >
rend always up >
ms when its up >
op >
slam

exec phase:
exec exex exec exec exec exec op ms avatar cs skullsplitter exec exec exec

[astral zephyr]

What is MP? 😄

[neon niche]

and there u're shitting on these filthy elemental shamans

[arctic hearth]

yeah i know :p played it in raid 2 times also

guess im just messing up idk 😒

feels so much worse than demo

CoT demo or slayer key btw?

[dire hinge]

Martial Prowess (the buff that Overpower gives you upon casting it)

[nova flint]

So outside of execute in ST do you send ms on cd or do you need 2stack of 4p?

[dire hinge]

you don't worry about any stacks when the boss is still above execute range for MS

[proper stump]

I've just respecced to Arms from Fury, what do I need to know about stats? Prio is Crit > Haste > Mast > Vers right? are there caps I need to hit?

[dire hinge]

caps have been dead for a long time, you'll want to use Raidbots to simulate your character using real gear to see if items are upgrades for you, but there's no need to chase specific secondary numbers

there's still going to be points of "diminishing returns", but that doesn't mean the stat still isn't worthwhile

[nova flint]

Okay so in execute do I need 2 lethal blows 2 ep and 2 mp before I send ms?

[neon niche]

theres no rulebook for it other than sim ur character. Arms scaling goes well with every 2ndary stat.

[dire hinge]

Close, but no. If you're wearing 4piece of tier, you only worry about EP and LB, you dont worry about MP

without 4piece, you use MS to upkeep Rend and just send Execute/OP instead

[nova flint]

Ty!

[dire hinge]

of course!

[nova flint]

One last question actually so not in execute if I have 1 stack of OP and it's not an opportunist do I want to send all stacks of OP before slamming or do I want to spend the rage?

[arctic hearth]

+7 CoT Colo feels so much better than slayer imo

only sad my ST is a bit meh :/

[dire hinge]

Don't worry about rage capping, it's never considered in the pre-execute rules.
But yes, Slam should be your absolute last resort if you're out of literally everything else.

[neon niche]

are u running juggernaut or merciless bone grinder?

[astral zephyr]

Are there any weakauras that track the 4p stacks and oppertunist in here? ❤️

[limpid oxide]

Can we still spell reflect the tentacles in Grim Batol last boss?

[arctic hearth]

As colo? MBG. Tried jugg as slayer. Done only 1 +9 as of yet tho. Might feel better in higher keys idk

[dire hinge]

yes and it doesn't consume the reflect so you can run through multiple atm akin to AMS

[silk spade]

[shadow ibex]

We need a blademaster torment that does something for st

Idk how u can ever slot it over uproar

[gaunt owl]

uproar favored raid

the 45 sec CD is just so good

[edgy solstice]

Favors everything over torment

[gaunt owl]

the 2 giant bug is the only one you can run torment

not sure if really worth it yet

[edgy solstice]

You can but not having juiced sks every other cast is troll

[visual linden]

any arms warrior youtuber or twitch streamer i can watch>

[gaunt owl]

Revvez

but he will not stream til next tier

[edgy solstice]

me

[visual linden]

whats ur link?

[edgy solstice]

Same as name but I wouldn't recommend if you're trying to learn. I just floor pov 11s

[visual linden]

ohh

xD

in execute phase

do i press overpower?

or just when i need rage

[gaunt owl]

do the stuff so we see you on the top when you stream

[gaunt owl]

#arms message

[shadow ibex]

Bring back x2 bladestorm

Would be so sexy rn

[visual linden]

thank you

[edgy solstice]

I did awhile back

Bring back mortal combo too

I kinda wanna try spiteful in keys tn

[gaunt owl]

Mortal Combo was so satisfying

[gaunt owl]

i read something about it the other day too

i have so little time to play i couldnt try much colossus anyway

[edgy solstice]

If spiteful is any good, it would only be for slayer with blunt I think

Losing damage bonus on WB ruins it. It would just be for giga uptime on haste

[gaunt owl]

haste too giga

but well its kinda same uptime at the end

its all gucci if it do line up nicely from each pull

[shadow ibex]

Spiteful is dumb

AM let's you force a CD to be ready for something by slamming over OP

I guess with blademaster you can have short cd cleave for a long time

[edgy solstice]

i don't think it increases the duration of that part anyway

nvm it does

spiteful propaganda is growing

[gaunt owl]

imagine the time you hold CS or Warbreaker because pack is dying anyway

AM lose value then

[manic river]

Hello guys one question about slayer st for my raid today: for what I see one we are on non exe stage it says we should only use exe with the stacks of MfE, 2 stacks of sudden death or to renew the exe buff. So do we just ignore any sudden death proc prior to two or other conditions? normally I would just react to SD inmediately for the damage

[edgy solstice]

yes but even one stack of MfE is enough on pull and those get quickly re-applied through slayer strikes, esp on pull where you wanna get to 12 Overwhelmed stacks right away

[manic river]

So would you just wait for the two stacks of SD?

[edgy solstice]

generally yeah

but on pull i send it for overwhelmed

why doesnt dn split anymore

[astral zephyr]

Is there a guide here to help me craft my weapon? 😇

[icy hawk]

is there a site that we can view cd usage like the old lorqq.io ?

[edgy solstice]

lorrgs still works

i know a lot of healer cores still use it at least

[icy hawk]

🫡

[dire hinge]

just double check that it is a 2 handed strength one, all weapon dps is normalized between the different types

[astral zephyr]

Thanks mate!

[maiden depot]

what fight style should i use to sim myself for m+?

[nova marsh]

Sim pure st patchwrexk, ST has much better api and is generally more accurate

[astral talon]

Ok I played demolish in m+

I am now fully converted to the church of colossus

[nova sequoia]

Anyone feel like rend fucking sucks? I'm exploring with builds not even taking it

[thorn tulip]

all bleeds suck

cept dw

[edgy solstice]

not taking rend means not taking roar

so take rend

[manic river]

The word extends

[astral talon]

https://tenor.com/view/colossus-deadpool-hero-marvel-gif-21162727

To top dps meters

[fringe moon]

I’ve been dropping SKS and 1 point in bloodborne in favor of finishing blows and massacre for my m+ colossus build

[cunning sleet]

Tried colossus but hated dealing wet noodle damage to bosses.

[astral talon]

I dunno, I still do decent dmg to bosses

Lower than slayer, but still very good

[safe comet]

I drop SKS for EB and the cleave procs can be so much fun

[manic river]

I've noticing I don't do much on bosses, idk what I'm doing wrong

[nova marsh]

I have begun my zekvir attempts

...Damn this sucks

[nova marsh]

So

It really is just brann RNG lmao

Would've been so sick if spittle was reflectable

[worldly kernel]

i havent even done delves since week 1, i'd like to attempt it at some point

[vast hinge]

What’s the point in doing zekvir?

[worldly kernel]

you get a customization for your delve mount

[vast hinge]

No power gains right

O

Ye I ignore mounts

[worldly kernel]

its cosmetic, like magetower challenge

[daring heron]

4fun

[torn dirge]

What are we rocking for embellishments? Double lense?

[nova marsh]

Honestly it's fun when ur into the flow of it

[past galleon]

does bitter immunity remove queens bane?

[nova marsh]

Also if you want to get your delve vault out within like 15 minutes, Zevkir's normal mode is P easy and completable in like 5 minutes

[zinc rampart]

Will recrafting my weapon keep the enchant>?

[plucky fern]

Im running blessed weapon + one dawnweave for m+, sims best for me if i ignore ascendance symbol

[cunning sleet]

No need for brann rng, I soloed it on ??. What do you need brann for exactly?

[nova marsh]

Idk interrupts

Do you just say fuck it and let zevkir ALWAYS heal?

That just seems incrediably horrid

Because spittle going off is GARANTEED death

[daring heron]

just charge to remove it as slayer

[cunning sleet]

Exactly

[nova marsh]

How does charge

Remove a dot

[cunning sleet]

You can also bladestorm

It's a slow, charge and blade storm remove sloes

Slows

Charge requires a talent from slayer

[nova marsh]

....I'mma be honest I didn't even notice that

[cunning sleet]

Yeah I was crying about it on here till I figured it out by mistake LMAO

[inner wasp]

so i haven't delved as anything other than prot

how do u survive getting autod to death

[cunning sleet]

Small pulls, victory rush and ccs

I've only done up to 10 though

[nova marsh]

Slow pulls is the key

I haven't soloed tens just 8s

[cunning sleet]

You also use brann to heal

[inner wasp]

talking abt zekvir

[plucky fern]

• kite and heal from second wind

[nova marsh]

Zevkir is brann healing

[cunning sleet]

Brann heals

[nova marsh]

and bring pots

And you'll be just fine

[cunning sleet]

The things he throws can be stacked and heal u for a looooong time

[inner wasp]

"slow pulls" when u got that one wave of 37 nerubians in earth vault

[nova marsh]

Zevkir being able to crit on autos is absoutle bull though

[nova marsh]

Don't do that

If you're doing that on a +10 you are going to die

[inner wasp]

earthvault?

[cunning sleet]

I think I did the ocean one with niffens

With the boss that had all avoidable dmg

[inner wasp]

like wym dont do that

[cunning sleet]

He means the delve is too hard, idk if it's true

[nova marsh]

The one with the ambush I genuinely don't think is possible as arms

More doable thanks to the nerf to the casters, but still ridicious

Fury MAY be able to get away with it

[inner wasp]

ah

[plucky fern]

I run fury thane for delves that shit is tanky af

[cunning sleet]

My fav delve is the dread pit

[inner wasp]

i mean like is there a point to delves when ive got full champ gear? other than zekvirs to fill up vault the grind for maps is slow and painful

[plucky fern]

Also tripple stormbolt helps

[manic stirrup]

triple stormbolt sucks

[cunning sleet]

Not as far as I know, maybe gold farming tinderboxes but idk if you need a high key for that

[nova marsh]

Wasn't that hotfixed?

Okay

Nivida wiping me is hilarious

I REALLY need to unbind that bullshit

[past galleon]

what bosses does arms outshine fury in raid? princess and silken?

sikran whatever his name is

[nova marsh]

basically just pure ST yeah

[reef glade]

sbeve

[reef glade]

smacks rashanan and silken court pretty nicely too

[minor gust]

Arms on Rasha fucks hard

I love it

as long as you dont drop jugg stacks when moving positions if you do that your dmg is sad

[tired fox]

Any idea why rolling combat text lags on execute for me but nothing else

[nova marsh]

AS in like

the damage of exe coming out is late? yeah

that's a known problem TWW was suppose to fix

[tired fox]

It wasn't an issue for me previously

Weird

[minor gust]

the number visual of exe still has a delay but the actual dmg part was fixed

[shadow ibex]

yea they fixed that

now FIX THE BUFF DELAY ON 4P