arms

[nova marsh]

I had one great group for Mists

[thorn pelican]

in not excited for darkflame cleft or priory rotating in either

[fresh tide]

The candle gimmick is so ass

[thorn pelican]

priory divine toll packs gonna get nerfed 3 times before they feel fair

[nova marsh]

Darkflame next season is gonna be so god awful

[vagrant heron]

priory gonna be the next arakara trinket farm

[nova marsh]

The next set of legacy dungeons really really gotta be a banger

[fresh tide]

plaguefall and tol dagor incoming

[vagrant heron]

just remove the candle area and darkflame is gonna be ok

[iron spruce]

is arms easier than fury

[vagrant heron]

fury is easier

[nova marsh]

Harder not by much

[fresh tide]

they're about the same difficulty

[nova marsh]

If that happens I'm going to cry

Like that's so bad

[vagrant heron]

plaguefall is ok

but tol dagor fuck that

last bos was annoying in tyrannical

[nova marsh]

I mean

Plaguefall last boss was awful

Like it was just so bad

[torn goblet]

I still have ptsd from toldagor

Also week 1 bfa underrot on mythic. The ticks would 1 shot the tanks before they nerfed them

[nova marsh]

Tol dagor is the key that made constantly wish being able to delete keys stayed in the game

[sinful kraken]

nah but why am i waiting over an hour for a +2

have i started this game too late or what

[nova marsh]

No pugs just hate us

Like so much

If you are waiting that long, run your own key

[sinful kraken]

that is me running my own key 💀

[sharp wyvern]

run your own key disband after tank chain pulls to much he can handle and dies then leaves

thats all my own keys so far

[nova marsh]

yeah as someone who can't even get above a fucking 5 that's my experience

It's so awful;

[sharp wyvern]

but i do get invites to some 10s so its fine

[sharp wyvern]

let me tell you that happens in 9s and 10s aswell

i want my tanks to be afraid of mobs

at least you can time it if you dont wipe but pull 1 pack at a time

[nova marsh]

This season is awful

[sharp wyvern]

nah its the tanks

and all the people who now get pushed into 10s cause thats where myth track starts

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-gif-3442424

[sharp wyvern]

tol dagor was great

corruptions fucked it up

[dire hinge]

pulling mobs through the ceiling

[icy mulch]

Could be worse, could be King's Rest or the Water one. (45 min timer or something?)

[sharp wyvern]

just dont invite a moonkin

[dire hinge]

camera shoved inside of your model the whole time

[icy mulch]

Troooooooe

[sharp wyvern]

you dont play with action cam ?

does that even exist still?

[dire hinge]

when wow grows up i want cameras to be able to go through walls so im not in top-down RPG mode to see things

[simple grove]

agree, that place was pure yuck!

[zenith crystal]

Might do a LFR in action cam one of these days.

[icy mulch]

I should do raid, if for nothing else than trinkets.

[worldly kernel]

i tried a raid night last expansion on a VR headset

do not suggest

[nova marsh]

Do it in a key!

probs a better experience \

[worldly kernel]

hmm ok I will try it

probably later today

[nova marsh]

With one of ur cursed builds

[worldly kernel]

its not like true vr im just mirroring my monitor

[nova marsh]

See how it goes

[worldly kernel]

honestly i tried making a cursed build they all look like they kinda work let me cook in a sec

[nova marsh]

Oh no

God Nexus princcess is kinda neat

[worldly kernel]

hows this

[nova marsh]

Tbh it looked standard....then I saw fucking spiteful serenity

I'm in

[worldly kernel]

honestly this might cook if you pull like 30 mobs

[nova marsh]

Total cook if you pull the entire dungeon

[worldly kernel]

after the 2nd mist boss the triple pull with 2 staghorns lol

[ionic reef]

do we run slayer or colossus in M+ and if slayer do we run the jugg build or cleave

[worldly kernel]

you can run both they're both viable and same answer with jugg and cleave, kinda depends on the dungeon

most people are running collo in 10+'s though

but they are both very viable

[ionic reef]

which one do you think feels better im a prot warrior and ive always adored arms so im trying to set up a dps off spec for when my other guildies wanna tank

[worldly kernel]

ease of use probably slayer IMO

[limpid veldt]

should I craft hero wrists with my 3rd spark and save the gilded crests or craft it max ilvl directly ?

[shadow ibex]

you dont save or lose crests either way

i would say dont be a in a rush to craft it at super max ilvl cuz the doubling isnt affected by ilvl

ill probabyl settle for heroic for awhile and use mythic crests on loot

[limpid veldt]

ye because better stat allocation on other pieces right ?

[plain latch]

when THE FUCK am i supposed to press spell reflect on purtid water before it hits me before it got casted i do not understand

it feels very 50/50

[nova marsh]

Some SRs are like that

Like flame shock gamba on the third boss of throne

The squid dude

ahhh good times

[fleet sinew]

nice what was your build?

[arctic hearth]

dmg breakdown seems ok for ara-kara +6?

trying to learn colo

[icy mulch]

It's clunky, but at least cooldowns seem to line up better than Slayer.

[nova marsh]

Both of them are equally fucked in terms of CD alignment in my experience

[arctic hearth]

yeah i just sent when rdy ish

[nova marsh]

You only hold BS if CS/WB is within like 10 secs of coming up

[cyan sage]

chad

[icy mulch]

Yeah, it didn't seem to get too far out of synch is what I mean. Usually you'd have one Warbreaker and BS with Avatar, and one without Avatar. Seemed to do decent sustained 5 target cleave.

Slayer I find a lot of desync with Warbreaker and BS.

[nova marsh]

This is true yeah

[worldly kernel]

will report back after I troll my groups 11 mist

[icy mulch]

lol, GL

[nova marsh]

eyo no

[ornate juniper]

NGl all guides telling us to go Blunt instruments, i feel like thats bait. i have used warbreaker and consistently hit higher overalls, so were going homebrew with this one

[fallen flume]

blunt is lower overall, it's just higher Prio/ST

so u pick which one u pref regarding the damage profile

[ornate juniper]

ive always ran warbreaker aint gonna stop now !

[vast helm]

rework when?

[ornate juniper]

after 20 nerfs and an expanstion

[manic stirrup]

could use a bit more cleave, it always beats demolish for me

other than that it looks good

[teal island]

so guides say vers is bad for arms, but, then recommends ver embellishmenht ? what's that about ?

[arctic hearth]

Great input ty! I def dont cleave enough.. i try to tclap, cleave at the start of all pulls, but then have too many globals between when using ms, sks etc. also OP a bit too much i think

Doing 550-650 ST def feels a bit bad tho :/

613 ilvl with 619 wep

[ornate juniper]

opt in to massacre

[arctic hearth]

I used it, but playing colo :p postes my build if u scroll up a bit

[minor gust]

No guides should be saying versatility is bad warriors like all stats

[arctic hearth]

Def missplaying tho

[ornate juniper]

i do colo

[arctic hearth]

Yeah i run the same build except no dreadnaught

[limpid hornet]

what are you guys playing in M+ rn ? I'm slayer still and I feel my dps is shit

[ornate juniper]

look above :D

[minor gust]

For the keys you're doing both Colossus and Slayer doing well

[manic stirrup]

instead of the cleave buff

i use this with arterial bleed in the colossus tree

[cunning sleet]

Standard slayer st

[limpid hornet]

idk i play with a mate who plays Frost DK, it's not even close

[nova marsh]

so is slayer just not a thing cuz you can't live 1 shots on it in higher keys?

[ornate juniper]

swap to fury

if you wanna match dps

[cunning sleet]

Wym by higher keys?

[nova marsh]

10s and above

[cunning sleet]

You can survive one shots fine with arms

Uhh, I have siege and cot timed at 10 and mists timed on 11, no one shot issues

[ornate juniper]

arms survivability defo better this time around

[minor gust]

Skill issue

[limpid hornet]

Yeah sure must be that

[cunning sleet]

I think you can outdps fdk on st

[minor gust]

I have no issues keeping up with fdk

And pug FDK players are also trash it's funny to watch

They are playing breath and it's funny to see them no where near everyone else

[ornate juniper]

dumbasses

[minor gust]

All the fotm rerollers

[edgy solstice]

gotta go BI if running spiteful

i thought about trying it tho

[unique warren]

can i swap skullsplitter for other talent?

[ornate juniper]

do whatever you want, but with thunderous roar skullsplitter is way stronger

[unique warren]

skullsplitter procs roar?

lol

[ornate juniper]

no

[snow thistle]

Guys, I am relearning arms (slayer), but I am not sure if in execute phase I use mortal strike only with 2x executioner precision AND 2x lethal blows or with 2x executioner, even without 2x lethal blows?

[ornate juniper]

makes bleeds stronger

thunderous roar makes bleed do more dmg with it up

[unique warren]

ooh

[ornate juniper]

so using both of them is big bleed dam

[unique warren]

nice

i forgot that

bruh

[ornate juniper]

depends if using jug or not

[snow thistle]

With jug

Single target

[edgy solstice]

ngl the more i play colo in 11s, the more i hate it

[ornate juniper]

only when bleeds are about to drop

[limpid hornet]

can you provide some logs so i can see what i'm missing pls?

[minor gust]

Wish I could but I don't log M+

[shadow ibex]

demo trap

mega unsafe

[ornate juniper]

im kinda liking slayer jug

demo is fun big numbers big button but E X E C U T E

[limpid hornet]

raid ones ?

[edgy solstice]

colo boss dam just makes me wanna leave keys

[tawdry elk]

I’ve seen a lot of people complain that they don’t get a lot of use out of Demolish. Is it because they are just bad positioning or is it actually kind of annoying to use?

I’ve only been playing Slayer in Arms so far*

[manic stirrup]

usually positioning

[ornate juniper]

depends on the dungeon, i never run colo on GB for example

just too much shit to dodge

[tawdry elk]

Yeah gotcha. Those caster mobs get stuff out so fast so that’s understandable.

[edgy solstice]

demo is fine if your tanks don't sabo you

[ornate juniper]

go prot

run colo as prot

no more tanks screwing u over

4head

[tawdry elk]

Hahaha

[edgy solstice]

just no boss dam

slayer even outside of jugg build does 1 mil on key bosses ez

[tawdry elk]

What ilvl are you at? I only just switched to my Warrior after Enhancement became FOTM.

[ornate juniper]

i love colo on that void boss that i dont remember the name of on SV

pikc up all orbs

demolish shield

[minor gust]

My logs are public feel free to look at em anytime Frozenbozo-Stormrage. But if you're combing through logs there's better players than me

[edgy solstice]

i was torn on a few dungeons but i think ara ara and sv are the only safe colo keys

[edgy solstice]

620

[surreal spade]

in general, what is the best build for arms in m+

[sacred cedar]

is gellyfish still running colossus in m+?

[ornate juniper]

probably slayer, easy reliable dmg cant get gimped by tanks and mechanics

[surreal spade]

slayer full aoe?

?

like that

[ornate juniper]

Jug or cleave both work well

[surreal spade]

we dont use warbreaker?

[ornate juniper]

i do

[edgy solstice]

nah

[ornate juniper]

guides say no

but thats bait

ImO

[normal marsh]

3 extra seconds on IFTK feels pretty good

[edgy solstice]

wb for colo definitely but slayer is there to kill bosses/prio adds

and values haste too much

[surreal spade]

we use slam for something ?

[ornate juniper]

ew

i hate

[minor gust]

not really bait this season of keys has a high emphasis on ST and prio dmg. Warbringer is a large ST loss for a minor aoe gain. Not everything is about overall chasing

[ornate juniper]

filler

[edgy solstice]

it's not that large of a ST loss

[normal marsh]

tbf im m+ on trash i dont think you ever really need to press slam, you can do on ST but aoe you should always have something else to cast

[minor gust]

I heard its smaller than orginally

[ornate juniper]

nah as CS is up very often the loss of ST isnt that large, and you get more streamlined dps rather than burst every 45 seconds

[surreal spade]

and what is the best opener for arms in aoe ?

[edgy solstice]

im confused now. wb is the burst choice. blunt is for more consistent dps

[minor gust]

nothing you said here makes sense. some real chatter energy

[edgy solstice]

not sure there's necessarily a wrong answer to either in keys but i would def say WB better for colo and blunt better for slayer, especially jugg build

[manic stirrup]

good general rule of thumb

[minor gust]

its def a your choice

[manic stirrup]

but blunt can be played on both

[normal marsh]

opener? probably charge > TC for rend > TR > sweeping > avatar + CS > cleave > OP > OP > cleave. if you have SKS you put that infront of the first cleave iirc

[minor gust]

if you wanna slam some WB and do more aoe go ahead If you wanna be the big boss dmg guy go a head

both are right

[surreal spade]

thanks

[frank fog]

https://imgur.com/XkVQQaQ

So for my current stats and gear would the Whetstone with Attack Power or the Mana Oil with Haste/Crit be better? Or is one just arguably better than the other one?

[normal marsh]

[edgy solstice]

sim it but whetstones still way more expensive afaik

[frank fog]

@edgy solstice True I didn't think to factor gold cost.

Where do I add the oil or Whetstone on the sim?

[frank fog]

Ahh was lookin in the wrong area thatnk you again!

[nova marsh]

So

Why does blizzard keep trolling me?

I stg they're having so much fun fucking with my gearing lmao

[whole relic]

guys, i cant decide if its worth.. but its fun.. to let cleave crit for 11mio xD

[nova marsh]

Probally not

But hilarious

[whole relic]

I mean its avarage 2.4m dps on 5 targets for over 500m dmg

and 2.8 after 45s hmm

[unreal shard]

is cleave worth pressing over slam with merc bonegrinder up on ST in keys? if so, wheres the prio?

[whole relic]

problem is that cleave consumes overpower stacks which is less dps compared to empowered MS

[leaden oracle]

slam when you have stacks of martial prowess because you dont want to spend them on cleave, cleave when you dont have any stacks, such as after MS. honestly dont even worry about watching mbg in ST

[vast hinge]

Man I don’t even have slam bound

Maybe that’s why my dps is shit

[normal marsh]

holy downtime batman

[vast hinge]

I just spam tclap if there’s no op ms or cleave or SKS available lol

[normal marsh]

oh for aoe? yeah you dont press slam

[vast hinge]

for pure ST , tclap is replaced by rend spam for me lol

[nova marsh]

I mean slam is an okay button

It's not the horrendous trash it was in DF and at least it does significantly more then autos

[teal fossil]

Ye

Slam is 75% of a ms right now

[surreal spade]

guys

as arms, on opener, i use sweep strikes + colossus to apply the debuff in all adds?

[shadow ibex]

anyone send colossus on mythic first boss yet

to lolcleave adds

any brave souls*

[shy dagger]

Arms brothers i just did it!

it was really hard

[manic river]

Pimping your ride

[nova marsh]

what ilvl

[shy dagger]

612

[nova marsh]

baller. How hard was the T10 to unlock it?

[shy dagger]

easy

there are some delves to cheese

[nova marsh]

Did u do fungal to cheese it?

[manic stirrup]

@latent moss this jugg build is beans bro

on colossus

[rare kite]

what's the build? i'm curious

[rare kite]

isn't that the slayer build? just on colossus instead

[manic stirrup]

yeah pretty much

its complete beans on colossus

permanently at 0 rage

[lean geode]

Slarms execute phase is basically:
Use execute until you get opportunist, then use OP, and use MS when you have 2xEP and 2xOP, right?

Excluding cds ofc

And you hold CS/Ava to line up with one another?

[manic stirrup]

2x 4p not 2x op

which is generally the same thing unless ur swimming in rage

[hazy flower]

You dont rlt just use exe till opportunist, you use op if youre below 80 rage and have opportunist

If youre full on rage mash exe

[lean geode]

Oh I forgot you also SkS if you need rage right

[manic stirrup]

@hazy flower do u have 4p wa

[hazy flower]

Yeah

[lean geode]

"need rage" meaning "SkS won't overcap you"

[manic stirrup]

atrocity doesn ttrack it idk why

[hazy flower]

Can log in for a sec tho its just like opportunist aka delayed a bit

[lean geode]

That shit grinds my gears so much

[hazy flower]

I think cone made without delay

[lean geode]

It's like a half second delay

[hazy flower]

Tho I havent tested

[manic stirrup]

thats fine i just dont have it tracked at all

which is super cringe

[hazy flower]

Yeah ill get u in 5 mins

[manic stirrup]

ok ok

[hazy flower]

I just turned off my pc xd

And went for a smoke

[arctic hearth]

You running this? Wouldnt SD be good for 1 less point below rend?

[strange bone]

at what mythic is worth running arms? i mean compared to fury

[reef glade]

If u need more single target dmg

arms is “good” good on like 4 fights, debatable u can play fury on rash/silken court instead but arms pops off there pretty well too

but the other 4 def hard locked fury

[strange bone]

i mean on dungeons

mb

[reef glade]

ah..

[strange bone]

sorry lmao

[reef glade]

i mean that’s kinda personal preference, I think arms m+ is a lot more buttons to worry about as fury

Fury burst generally higher but arms has way more consistent pack to pack damage

think it retains a strong chunk of its st damage too with certain builds

[strange bone]

so in some dungeons are better cause the type of pull?

[reef glade]

Yea possibly, stuff like that also depends on key level and tank pulls to determine size of mob packs and how long they live

but don’t think it’d be trolling to pick arms in most dungeons if you really prefer it and still perform decently

just generally fury I think is seen as the more “m+ suited spec”

aoe talents basically built in barely changing from st and typically more survivable but eh

Can just check rio maybe if it separates dungeon runs by specs

[strange bone]

what talents un recommend if u want to try as new arms player on mythics +

[reef glade]

give a gander at what they do

[shadow ibex]

we need to fix 4p buff lag

[reef glade]

Can prolly see on wowhead the diff builds

[shadow ibex]

slight delay actually very toxic

[reef glade]

There’s a jugger one for more st or like a giga cleave focused one I think

[rose ibex]

Unless you really care about having the biggest chance to get in groups for m+ I don't think it really matters which spec you play

[strange bone]

i mean i play mostly with friends so that doesnt matter to me at least

[rose ibex]

Play whatever you want really

[strange bone]

i tried arms on the raid and i liked so much

[arctic hearth]

You can honestly take the same build from raid to m+

[strange bone]

ya? aint better the wowhead m+ talents?

[arctic hearth]

Depends what dungeon and what dmg profile your friends have

Do you want overall dmg or more focus on prio targets/boss dmg

[strange bone]

overall i guess

[arctic hearth]

Like he said above here, anything works

[strange bone]

ya im gonna test it hope it goes well cause i liked so much on raid

[arctic hearth]

Yeah gl 🙂

Im learning colo and having a blast, but ST is kinda meh 😒

[manic stirrup]

no i think those talents sucka

fter testing them

[worldly kernel]

@nova marsh

[manic stirrup]

this is my go to build for arms atm

[reef glade]

warbreaker detected

breaking knee caps

[manic stirrup]

do not talent spiteful

it is SIGNIFICANTLY worse than am

45k st dps 350k dps in 8t 90 second sim

[worldly kernel]

cursed build saga

[manic stirrup]

its not even worth trying to cook

[worldly kernel]

bro i burnt the food

[manic stirrup]

fatal mark isnt that far off

from being playable

[nova marsh]

NOT FATALITY

[reef glade]

bladestorm colossus

[nova marsh]

Spiteful serenity without ToM is just...really really cursed

[reef glade]

channel city

Yuski would lose his mind

[nova marsh]

I mean that's an actual valid strat

[shadow ibex]

i want to use BS as colossus

i hate rav

[manic stirrup]

hahahah i didn tveen see that

[worldly kernel]

oh fuck i forgot to swaitch to ravager lol

[nova marsh]

no n oleave it

It makes it more cursed

[worldly kernel]

"why the fuck is your damage so low "

LMAO

[nova marsh]

DID SOMEO)NE ALREADY COMMENT?

[reef glade]

on wha

[worldly kernel]

bro we were lowkey NOT trolling

[shadow ibex]

someone do BS colossus

[teal fossil]

If anything spiteful got better without Tom

26 seconds of iftk is no joke

[civic isle]

Hey fam quick one, in raid ST with 4p during exe is it 3 Exe - MS?

[teal fossil]

2ep+2 4pc buff

Then you ms

So you need to track both

[nova marsh]

This is true actually

[civic isle]

copy ty lej

[shadow ibex]

playing BS on colossus and wondering why i cant kick or stormbolt

[worldly kernel]

stonevault 10 down

unfortunately not a troll build

[shadow ibex]

mbg with BS is just weird design

pressing any other button feels bad

[nova marsh]

MBG in general feels kinda odd

it's why I keep opting out of it for juggie

[shadow ibex]

works with ravager

[nova marsh]

Also I'm a crackhead

The ultimate insult to a slayer main should be "I hope you miss half your slayer marks in your next key"

[latent moss]

did u play with skyfury

[manic stirrup]

no but i still feel like

would be 0 rage

[latent moss]

shouldnt be

u need skyfury as colossus unfort

since the tree itself has 0 rage gen

if anything it has negative gen

cause demolish can munch your aa

[storm nova]

Is there a way to make a "Slam now idiot" indicator for when every better option is unavailable, without using Weakauras? Like using TellMeWhen for example.

[worldly kernel]

they got it down

[dire hinge]

Possibly, but I’m not familiar with that tool. WeakAuras would be your best friend for this, it’s quite good at it

[teal fossil]

Yeah it’s called hekili

This is the 5th person this month I saw that wants hekili without the hekili part

[worldly kernel]

i honestly think if I had hekili or one of those WA with a ability tracker it would make me worse having to focus your attention on shit on the screen

[teal fossil]

Yeah for sure it does

But that’s a player issue

[storm nova]

If hekili isn't a Weakauras preset it's technically what I want, I'm just unaware of anything besides WeakAuras for these purposes. And weakauras has been really unstable for me, I find most large addons(like WA or TSM) have trouble not crashing on Linux

[livid cloak]

I tried arms in a mythic 1st boss pug last night..it felt awful.

On that boss specifically

[storm nova]

And yeah I do decently just rawdogging it, the "Slam exists??" thing is more of an edge case, it's the first time I've felt the need for anything of the sort

I think it mostly a result of getting basically no reps in for that situation because it happens maybe once per dungeon, or less than that

[simple grove]

"Slam doesnt exist" la la la la la

[storm nova]

If my party presses buttons good it doesn't, by the time I've pressed all my CDs "we Execute now"

[kind stag]

I feel like i have to slam way too often

[boreal quartz]

Sometimes you just have to

It is what it is

[storm nova]

Yeah, and the origin of my question was my dumb ass taking 2-3 GCDs to be like "where next button, oh it Slam 😩 "

[boreal quartz]

You can identify it fairly easily

Ms/op check - sd check and then slam

[storm nova]

Sd？

[livid cloak]

sudden death

execute

[storm nova]

Ah, I'm a Colossus enjoyer

[livid cloak]

even easier, no ms/op? slam

[unique bridge]

Colossus Enjoyer? Is... Is that possible?

[storm nova]

Blade storm and Demolish and Colossus Smash

[livid cloak]

blade storm colossus

[storm nova]

Rend, whatsit scream

[storm nova]

If there's a "meta Colossus build" I'm open to hearing about it

[livid cloak]

for raiding, the "meta" build is slayer. however on wowhead and icy veins there are colossus builds

[worldly kernel]

AYO ngl i think collosus is the move for high keys this shit does HELLA damage

[livid cloak]

colossus is solid in keys for sure

[storm nova]

I was gonna say I'm not really a raid person, been M+ since Legion

And yeah I've had no real issues pumping in dungeons. It's probably smoother as Slayer still but Colossus lows aren't too bad, and the highs are HELLA

[boreal quartz]

It's less smooth as slayer

You dont have wb+demo every pack as slayer

[worldly kernel]

wasn't really a huge fan of it on beta, did a couple of keys as it and it feels way better playing it in higher keys because of WB demo on giant packs. I didn't like how clunky it felt because I wan't used to the dungeons but imo I think it's just the better spec

they both are kinda press and forget but it sucks when you don't go into a pack with max bladestorm stacks and full cd's I can just send WB demo and blow up a pack of mobs

[boreal quartz]

Bs is so cringe on arms

[worldly kernel]

they made it feel better, it actually does damage when you have full stacks, also reap the storm procs inside bladestorm

[boreal quartz]

I still hate it

[radiant sentinel]

Whats the recomended for 9/10 area in m+ as arms?
Is it demolish or slayer?

[radiant sentinel]

Wb?

[boreal quartz]

Warbreaker

[boreal quartz]

Personal preference

And in some keys id argue for slayer exclusively

Like grim batol

[mild wagon]

Is there a wa/addon than announces in chat that spell reflect is up?

[radiant sentinel]

got it, how come you would argue slayer for that one`?

[livid cloak]

Smaller pulls and lots of prio damage mobs I'd imagine

[radiant sentinel]

aaaah fair

Okay tried arms defined it feels horrible to me atyleast

[slow saddle]

Always slayer imho

[boreal quartz]

does more st

and the key is very st focussed

[worthy notch]

Hi ! i'm a war tank starting to be an Arm enjoyer in raid
while i read different guides and i (think i) know the rotation i feel like struggling doing damages and losing myself at some point over the different offensive cd

do you have any tips and tricks ?

[tacit crystal]

hit the dummy

watch someone play arms

pause every second and rationalize their next global

[worthy notch]

do you have a name of someone playing arm in stream or in video ?

[distant sage]

how do they play differently

[manic stirrup]

slayer does more st less aoe

demolish less st more aoe

[boreal quartz]

slayer cares less to pick bi

colo rlly hurts withozut wb

[neon niche]

How much does colossus players bench

[honest girder]

All of it

[royal escarp]

Absolutly

[proud plover]

first key as arms, first key as dps for that matter - demolish trucks

[gusty oxide]

What ilvl and level of key?

because those numbers were already beaten in M0s

[proud plover]

602ilvl +2

[wraith cave]

Few questions
send demolish when ever its up or save it for outside SS window
Also more than when SS is up prioritize MS over cleave or send Cleave if its more 2 creeps?

[weak wave]

Did you know you can spam Zekvir Delve 8x for the 3x 616 Vault?

Doesn't take more than 10 mins 👍

[shadow ibex]

Colossus with bladestorm

[wraith cave]

i wanted to try this also lol

[manic river]

Ideally Demo is better when you have SS, whatever it is by the skill itself or if you have the Avatar talent to have SS for 8 secons when using it. If you don't have SS but it's going to come in just a few seconds I would dealy it just a bit, sweaping those two hits now that they do 20% more damage is nice. If you are not going to have it soon then I would just throw it on prio and not waste time

[wraith cave]

got it

[manic river]

Does it work decently=

?

[inner wasp]

we play skullsplitter again?

tragic...

[manic river]

I don't mind it

It was much more fun when it proc all the bleeding instantly tho

[wraith cave]

fml

THAT explains it

[inner wasp]

this was the worst

[wraith cave]

i havent been using skull spilitter on my collasus build

lol

[wraith cave]

i didn't mind it was fine

[inner wasp]

bleed -> skullsplitter -> bleed was the most limp feeling way to do dps

also are we manually applying rend again?

fml?

[tranquil sundial]

have been doing that for the past 2 expansions

[lapis dune]

yov guys. How do we use this? arms m+

[dire hinge]

Equip it and then it’s passive. Try and avoid unnecessary dps wiggling

[frosty pike]

memeing as colossus today, is demolish worth putting on CD early or is it a 10 stacks only ordeal

[plush belfry]

i think the first i send is once i've doen usual aoe setup

then realistically you should always have 10 stacks

unless you die/tank is rattin

[nova marsh]

Mostly on CD

I like to let rava finish on the first one but idk if that's optimal

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/219906387856064512/1289287451185250377/image.png?ex=66fa4042&is=66f8eec2&hm=e6ac175ee1e84ff027db84bb34b4dc2bcb36fb0f616b905790a9a8f4207646ea& ...is this a warrior?

[abstract vale]

[pure otter]

spries

[abstract vale]

These are dark days

[zenith crystal]

Based af tho….

[nova marsh]

Big true

[wraith cave]

wait what stacks o.o

[plush belfry]

the demo stacks

can't remember what they're called

from ms/exe/cleave 3+

[nova marsh]

Collosal might

[plush belfry]

that's the one

hope there's a phat balancing wave soon though

slayer for both specs is a bit zz, pvp's a mess etc etc

[worldly kernel]

I like both, I didn’t like collosus until I started doing higher keys and I like it way more than slayer, the damage difference is pretty significant when you start prioritizing bigger pulls IMO

I like slayer ease of use though you kinda just turn your brain off and bladestorm

[wraith cave]

this?

[teal fossil]

Yeah

[wraith cave]

let me make a weak aur tro trac it

[worldly kernel]

It’s honestly pretty easy to see because it lights up your demolish

At max stacks

[nova marsh]

is demolish glowing? Press demolish

[fast plover]

yeah it's prob not even worth tracking since you send first demo and you'll always be at max stacks after that

unless i'm mistaken

[worldly kernel]

Ye

[plush belfry]

I just find Slayer a slightly worse version than last season

Enjoy the fat cleaves and demo though

Gameplay wise I mean

[worldly kernel]

Everything synergizes without you having to think about it unless you’re going into a bigger pack you need 3 bladestorm stacks and cd’s

Rts does crazy damage if you get it to proc in a pack

[plush belfry]

Yeah good procs with Rts are pretty nice

[worldly kernel]

If I’m pugging, slayer for sure

I wasn’t a huge fan of collosus but people should try it out in 10’s I’m now a believer

[fast plover]

Do you prefer jugg or aoe slayer for under 10s?

[worldly kernel]

I play both, mostly jugg

[fast plover]

Tried the regular mbg aoe slayer but did potato dmg compared to fury

[plush belfry]

I enjoy Colo more but yeah it just needs a bit of clunk taken out imo

[fast plover]

felt like jugg needs higher keys to work and in pugs i just dropped the stacks

[plush belfry]

Clunk being, rage

Not tried Jugg Slayer mind

[shadow ibex]

Hell no unless you enjoy charge weaving. Your exe rotation is fubar because ravager pops your EP while you exe in ST so it saves a ton of rage

Colossus exe rage is cursed.jpg

If you wanna be aoe pad bot but the st gets even worse and it's already p bad as colossus in m+

[wraith cave]

i still get my ass whupped by ret

its impossible to keep up with them in m+

[manic stirrup]

the rage is fine if you have sks honestly

[wraith cave]

its like they have no cooldowns

[manic stirrup]

it’s bad but not egregiously bad

[wraith cave]

i thought 4p would help didnt do shit

[manic stirrup]

ret is one of the best m+ specs in the game

[shadow ibex]

i mean with BS

no ravager to free cast MS

[manic stirrup]

oh

playing bs grief af anyways

[shadow ibex]

but the aoe burst with WB and demo

its

i mean the only reason i like it is you can get max 10 demo stacks in about 4 globals

since BS sweeping gives x2 and BS is wayy faster than ravager

so you can do some meme burst

and then rip agro and die

can get a 10 stack demo before WB is over

[obsidian wave]

? or ?? Required?

[runic copper]

Are there any guides on what enemy casts spell reflect is best used on in M+?

[blazing halo]

one question guys we use Thunderous Roar in cd?

[livid cloak]

In what context?

[blazing halo]

full single

[livid cloak]

Yes

[blazing halo]

ty

[gaunt owl]

in #protection channel they had a spreadsheet with all the spell

not sure if its there anymore

[runic copper]

Could not find it but thank you nonetheless.

[arctic hearth]

for grim batol +6 - decent buiild?

[silent thunder]

you have blunt instruments, and 0 points in bloodborne. juggernaut is a pretty specific angle to be going for a m+

[trim skiff]

honestly, juggernaut feels amazing on higher (11-12) keys because you can ramp up on bosses every time.. i didnt even bother playing full-on aoe build because you lose out SO much ST its insane

[silent thunder]

thats what I mean specific, on a 6 I dont think it's doin you much

[trim skiff]

oh yeah, absolutely

[weak wave]

? is enough.

[trim skiff]

but it totally fucks on higher keys / prio targets

[silent thunder]

fs

[trim skiff]

All I miss is the Deft Experience 2 pointer, its pretty sad sometimes getting unlucky and going 6 executes without getting an OP reset... 😄

[boreal quartz]

No def no ct is so unplayable

[trim skiff]

apart from unplayable i dont understand a single word of your sentence and I've been around for quite a while

[silent thunder]

so real man

sometimes I go the entire end of a fight without a proc

[jolly goblet]

on raid rotations, do is use MS on cd? or onyl when it get 2 stacks

[silent thunder]

😭

[silent thunder]

depends on what point of the fight you're in, but in general yeah use it on cd

prioritize getting stacks for it though

[trim skiff]

Yeah, it hurts, doubling down on nerfing Tactician and now you can't even take the two points for it

[silent thunder]

Yeah

They've made a lot of weird changes to the arms tree imo

stuff that feels like -quality of life

[trim skiff]

I really like the current build it turns out, really refreshing to play something else other than outlaw and frost mage, but it feels bad in general not having so many op resets and having to use slam a lot more

[shadow ibex]

they fucked up the bottom left corner

[trim skiff]

although i can live with it, i really miss the tactician frequency

[shadow ibex]

battlelord fatality deft all got fucked

[silent thunder]

agreed 100%, I hate clicking slam lol

and yeah I never take fatality for anything now

I kinda liked fatality though :(

[trim skiff]

you can't really take it because you just don't have the points for it

[plucky compass]

why is fatality so bad? low procv?

[shadow ibex]

not tuned

[manic stirrup]

no test of might

[trim skiff]

you just lose out on damage

[silent thunder]

^

just not as good of an option

[trim skiff]

thank fuck

[shadow ibex]

they need to just remove it

that bottom left corner needs a face lift

[trim skiff]

having extra haste for colossus smash duration and having even more in execute phase, mate that feels SO GOOD

[manic stirrup]

bloodletting is a fantastic talent

[shadow ibex]

yea

but its hard not to be right

[manic stirrup]

keep that one

[shadow ibex]

it does like 11 things

[trim skiff]

agreed on bloodletting, thats a good talent

[boreal quartz]

meant to type deft

[manic stirrup]

fatalmark and battlelord should be bleed talents

[trim skiff]

oh i see now 😄

[boreal quartz]

but imo the spec doesnt play properly without deft experience and crit thinking for refund

it just is soo horrid

[shadow ibex]

i still want passive sweeping on MS

colossus would feel so good

thats the missing link

[trim skiff]

I think for me it would be more frequent resets on OP before exe phase

[boreal quartz]

blord and eb being turbodead

is not good

[shadow ibex]

finishing blows

[trim skiff]

I don't really like how they nerfed rage spending and nerfed tactician along with it and then it is even worse because you only take 1 point in DE

[boreal quartz]

i mean

guaranteed tact on 40

shouldnt stay in the game

[shadow ibex]

make FB reduce MS cost by 8 buff MS so we want resets and let me spam 5 back to back between EB and blord and it being cheap i can actually afford it as colossus

[manic stirrup]

i think tactician is fine

[trim skiff]

It is still bad trying to fish for procs before exe phase and getting an unlucky series feels terrible

when you go 6 slams and 2 ms's without getting a reset

that feels insanely fucked

[shadow ibex]

i just want colossus to not have to slam mid tree like slayer

[boreal quartz]

i agree

[shadow ibex]

i hate theyboth run most the same in ST except this guy spins and this guy throws a spinner down

[boreal quartz]

ravager is still cooler

press ava and spam exe

[shadow ibex]

[trim skiff]

i'd rather spin myself

[boreal quartz]

fury spin id take

[trim skiff]

enhanced garen E feels good

[boreal quartz]

arms spin cba

[shadow ibex]

i'd rather my MS hero tree want MS reset stuff

[plucky compass]

i looked at you and said thats a spinner

[trim skiff]

idk, i dont mind it

[boreal quartz]

its agonizingly long

[trim skiff]

well, for you it might be, but we can just say preferences

[shadow ibex]

talent dance of death

and make it last even longer

oh wait thats ravager only

[trim skiff]

i actually enjoy bladestorm but lack tactician procs, you're the exact opposite

[boreal quartz]

i dont like being try on shit to press

but i dont like being forced into AFK spinning

[solar quarry]

if I BS on pull on Rashanan

is it back for 1st ads?

[shadow ibex]

yea

[solar quarry]

i kno its RNG but, roughly?

tyty

[trim skiff]

it should be

yes

[solar quarry]

ty boys

[shadow ibex]

it shpuld be up before first adds

[boreal quartz]

you can ignore tact and spam slam for AM

[shadow ibex]

so dont be dumb and send it

[boreal quartz]

if its close

[shadow ibex]

usually mine comes up like 5 seconds before the add circle goes out

[solar quarry]

good idea, thanks

need a critcake Arms POV so I kno every fight before pull

[boreal quartz]

haha

[shadow ibex]

need colossus PoV

who will be the first

[solar quarry]

fury on the execute fight 🤮

[shadow ibex]

and the last

[solar quarry]

WCL nerf coming in hot

[trim skiff]

honestly i dont see him playing arms for a while, he really disliked how the changes affected arms

[solar quarry]

i mean its fair

it feels clunky af

but im not going to do Aug dmg in ST

ill play Fury on most still but

[boreal quartz]

i mean you can prolly arms on all but ovinax

[trim skiff]

i mean arms isn't that bad some people make it up to be

[silent thunder]

arms isnt bad at all lol

people js dont know how to play it

[solar quarry]

arms is fine

its just a fury raid

but i do believe arms feels clunky, personally, which i was i swapped early

[trim skiff]

thats absolutely not arms's fault though

with enough haste

i dont feel like that

[solar quarry]

ofc, but its still a fault

[trim skiff]

the part i hate is where i have to go 3-4 slams before a tact proc

well

[silent thunder]

^

[trim skiff]

i mean

[silent thunder]

valid

[solar quarry]

yh, i don't love that either

[trim skiff]

blizzard fucked it up honestly

and its not furys fault

[solar quarry]

arms felt sooo smooth in execute phase which it doesnt now

[trim skiff]

that it was THAT strong

[solar quarry]

which is my personally dislike

[quaint harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/444930913856389131/1290014405794332784/62db873aec554505ba2d8e51dcc9ae3b.mov?ex=66faeb09&is=66f99989&hm=0a15c99625fc17b9f73e721437239c6e867ed48f054a83b7803aec0b19f5efa5&

[trim skiff]

some people are like oh lord how strong fury is

but actually do not realise

how the raid is tailor made for their cds

and they can just pad insanely on any add phase

and they get a nerf due to that? i mean come on

and i dont even play fury at all, i just don't see why do they nerf them 3 times. maybe the first one was somewhat justified, but come on man 😄

[shadow ibex]

nerfed than faster than s2 fire mages

idk why that was allowed to ruin m+ for the season

[trim skiff]

and then i just sort damage to bosses on wcl and they are midpack at best

i don't see any problem with them doing high damage to adds and low damage to boss

[solar quarry]

i am like 20 seconds away from BS

with AM

and only MS/Slam

[shadow ibex]

are u eating marked for exe stacks or letting them munch over 3?

that's a ton of CDR as well

[manic stirrup]

even on ovinax if you randomly have 3 fdk and a ret and 2 warriors u can def afford to play an arms

thats hyper specific tho

[manic stirrup]

fury was unbelievably good before the nerfs

in all content

they were good st as well

[nova marsh]

...I DID IT

[teal fossil]

That’s a beautiful meter

[normal marsh]

on ST opener are people sending MS and SKS after CS before BS?

[nova marsh]

I believe ur suppose to send sks before BS ye

I usually do cuz after BS is usually when rend needs to be reapplied

[livid cloak]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1280234020923506811/1280576937890414632/Slayer_Opener.png?ex=66fadcb5&is=66f98b35&hm=9b528d98f6f6b71c0b1d1828e5c541979089587fc14ee145ca7000a55d689656&

[manic river]

I'm running colosus on M+ and it's feeing good, I even got to more than 3 mil once on a big pacl

[teal fossil]

Anyone in game rn tell me the damage diff between storm bolt and slam?

[manic river]

If they tweak the skill and how it work it could be so good

[manic river]

Sks at the end with bs and all? seems like not using that roar damage effectively

[visual linden]

is there any youtuber i can see

that has m+ runs in youtube or twitch as arms warrior

[nova marsh]

Not any I'm aware of, most play fury

[manic river]

Many people saw fury BS damage and got apeshit with it

The same as so many people going arcane mage this expansion

[visual linden]

that's sad

[coral crescent]

think it makes the sks line up better throughout the fight. or simple as this is just what robot said best sequence of events is 🤷‍♂️

[visual linden]

i can't find one video of a person playing arms in m+

[livid cloak]

It still lasts full sks duration inside of roar

[normal marsh]

pretty picture ty Sean Paul

[livid cloak]

And bs applies the damage taken Increase

I didn't make it I just shared it

[manic stirrup]

twitch.tv/itzchocotime

i have a few vods available

[manic river]

I know I know

[nova sequoia]

Do you guys just replace rend with thunder clap on your bars? it applies rend but just aoe, same rage cost

[dire hinge]

Yeah. The damage difference is quite small. In single target you can rend if you want to, but if you don’t want to have an extra binding that’s perfectly fine

[hazy flower]

I havent tried arms in keys yet 😎

[visual linden]

thank you

[dim basalt]

How big is the difference between dawnthread and duskthread lining? Ive started playing my warrior as prot but I might reroll my main from SV to arms and I could use most of my prot gear for arms - however the BIS embel seem to be different

My assumption is that I will lean towards more vers gear then

[nova marsh]

I mean you should sim it but honestly it's likely fine

[frigid cipher]

Yea should sim it but i dont imagine the difference would be too big

Does prot use critthread

[solar quarry]

i dont think i even get 3 before they spawn

[shadow ibex]

i just wouldnt build up that habit/muscle memory

[teal fossil]

Im not trying to figure out if one is more damage

[shadow ibex]

cuz ur gonna do it in m+

and not have it

when u need it

[teal fossil]

I’m trying to figure out what sort of gain is it

[shadow ibex]

its super tiny

[teal fossil]

It’s definitely not free

Because you lose a stun in m+

Or when you need it

[shadow ibex]

idk i wouldnt even put that in apl and instead more something custom apl shit

[teal fossil]

Bros irrationally angry about 1/9th of a slam

Lmao

[shadow ibex]

cuz yea just gonna have ppl thinking omega SB

and wipe in m+ cuz they couldnt stun a watershield in siege

etc

[teal fossil]

Hekili has an option to turn it off

Common hekili w

[shadow ibex]

its "cool"

[nova marsh]

Idk maybe you need a stop later on?

Like....holy shit dude, calm down. We're talking a 0.1% gain

[shadow ibex]

i wouldnt sweat the rage im pretty sure its just a kid

[nova marsh]

wait kids play wow?

Thought they all were on like CoD or whatever shooter is popular

[teal fossil]

Was bro banned

Or did he leave

[sacred cedar]

dam is it normal to get beaten on dps after popping everything against a fdk and ret? 😭

in m+

[astral talon]

you dont rly do 10mil dps burst as arms ;D

man i wish i could play ravager with slayer

this could be so fun to use

this one

[south stump]

so what build is everyone using in Blitz BGs?

[astral talon]

#pvp

[solar quarry]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mXFPY4QcdCfnMR8j#type=casts&fight=22&source=9&view=timeline

could someone figure out why im not getting BS for first adds?

im so far off

like not a few seconds which u could say is rng

like 25-30 seconds off

[nova marsh]

Guys genuine question

Why are tanks THIS toxic

I just wanted my cdr man fuck's sake

Context: ara kara 5, failed, tank left because of a single wipe lmao

[spring basalt]

DK tank wants to heal less than a healer ?

[nova marsh]

Apparently?

I literally only storm bolted the occansional add just to save some marks

so I could have BS up for the next pull lol

[spring basalt]

btw where does SD fall in the priority in M+

[nova marsh]

For aoe? after MS

General rule is Cleave - OP - MS - Exe

if ur slayer you shouldn't let targets die with marks on them thou

If you can help it

[spring basalt]

in ST its MS-OP-Cleave-Exe ?

[nova marsh]

No slam

The only case you might use Cleave in ST is if you have a collotaral buff

And even then you should send it without any OP stacks and only to replace slam

ST rotation dosen't really change from raid to keys tbh

[spring basalt]

is slayer or Col stronger atm ?

[nova marsh]

Both are about even for keys

For M+ play what u like

[spring basalt]

Demo is a pain in the ass no having to stand still to use it

and its top prio to use

[nova marsh]

So just play slayer

Slayer has great ST too

[spring basalt]

cant find any youtube videos about arms

literally only 2 videos on youtube

this is sad

[vapid bay]

dead spec

[shadow ibex]

[mossy crest]

hmm, you can hit a pretty juicer cleave with warbreaker + demolish + colleteral + bonegrinder and full self buffs

[shadow ibex]

Yea colossus is fun

But what if bone grinder turned Ms into a frontal for its duration

[mossy crest]

or it gave stacks instead of duration, would be easier to set up juicers

[shadow ibex]

Im gonna try blademaster torment and bone grinder tn

But I love uproar

blademaster doing 0 for st kinda lame

[misty yew]

arms getting buffed soon?

[mossy crest]

I expect a nerf

[shadow ibex]

colossus ST buffs

[atomic chasm]

Anyone got a good build for Zekvir ??

[twilit roost]

if you min/max the collateral damage with the blademasters torment, it gets kinda nutty

this was on the target dummies in dorn

but back to my point of coming here, anyone SUPER annoyed that if you cant charge a mob, you'll never generate enough rage with x1 auto to at least mortal strike a mob? then you gotta wait at least 3 seconds for the 2nd one....

[silk spade]

let him cook

[astral talon]

So turning ms into cleave?

Im still surprised they turned ww into cleave, and not ms

[shadow ibex]

imagine

with EB

battlelord

[silk spade]

what if ms casts cleave and cleave casts ms

[astral talon]

Why not have cleave replace ms if you take rhe talent, and give it legion interaction with ww

Increases dmg of ww per target hit

And more cleave dmg when you hit more than 3 targets

[twilit roost]

talking of legion, just have sweeping strikes be the perma x3 target MS/execute

[astral talon]

I mean, wouldnt evenve broken at this point lol

[shadow ibex]

yes

[twilit roost]

i mean, both warrior specs 400k behind frost dk in M+ still

[shadow ibex]

call it bladestorm

[astral talon]

Dont need to be broken, just need it to be fun

Ngl having my dmg locked behind 15s long buff is awkward as fuck to play

[twilit roost]

true, but i'd like to be fun and competitive also

[astral talon]

Fun first, then we can be competitive

Why cant we have sweeping gradually increase dmg of cleave, not one last hit only

[twilit roost]

im enjoying slayer, i just wish that it wasnt so rng based, cleaving 10+ targets and STILL not triggering reap? sadtimes

[astral talon]

So we get continuous dmg up

[spring basalt]

do you know whats really sad, that class gets fucked at every patch

every class balancing warrior gets the hammer

[shadow ibex]

[astral talon]

And its still played in rwf

Albeit not on final boss haha

[twilit roost]

just for battle shout

or add clearing, which is why they got the hammer to begin with

but what i dislike the most, is fury over performing in the 1st weeks, and then arms catching strays for it

[subtle ore]

is colossus better single target or multi?

[spring basalt]

that is what you get for giving fury an arms ability

[twilit roost]

its stronger multi, but more prone to fail and burstier

slayer is more consistent but rng, based, and stronger ST with the execute boneses

[astral talon]

They played two tho

[twilit roost]

add clear

[frigid cipher]

Yea fury is still S tier despite all the fury chat whining

[astral talon]

Yasuri

[frigid cipher]

Hello

[astral talon]

Weren't you yellow?

[twilit roost]

two fury warr is all the aoe the raid needs, which is why warriors in general getting pounded, but if you look at actual boss dmg logs, they are below augs 😄

[astral yarrow]

he took a shower

[frigid cipher]

I stopped playing

[astral talon]

Washed the piss off?

[shadow ibex]

x2 is p big yea i dont think we saw war stacking at all in DF

[astral talon]

Fair enough

[frigid cipher]

Just started back on tww launch

[shadow ibex]

def not in bfa and hell no in s1 of SL

[twilit roost]

fury didnt have bladestorm in DF

everytime they get it, they go insane, and then we all suffer 😄 same thing happened in SL abit

[shadow ibex]

i dont think those two are related at all

[twilit roost]

adding bladestorm into fury's already stronk burst potential is a recipe for complaining from everyone with even a hint of a ramp

[shadow ibex]

aight you got it

[astral talon]

Tbh

I like ravager more

Can we play ravager again?

Can slayer shit work on ravager?

[twilit roost]

no

slayer is bladestorm only

ravager works nice with colossus though

[astral talon]

Ye except collosus is ass

[twilit roost]

true

[shadow ibex]

colossus aoe pumps

slayer st pumps

what else do you want

[astral talon]

Slayer aoe pumps as well

And slayer is better st, m+ st is pretty important as well

[shadow ibex]

colossus has a style meter tho

you can get S rank combos

[astral talon]

And d rank boss dmg

[shadow ibex]

just need ms buff

[timber walrus]

Is it ok to rely on maxdps addon

[twilit roost]

what kinda overall you guys hitting in 7-9 keys

[astral talon]

Depends on dungeon, like 1.1-1.4mil?

[twilit roost]

aight, that checks out

[honest flicker]

Is Arms beating fury at AOE when those fury nerfs come out for AOE cap

My arms seems to be simming a bit higher even in Aoe now

[manic river]

I don't think we are going to surpass fury but we will be closer

I think the devs really didn't take into account giving back BS to Fury and also having a strong hero talent that empowers it

[plucky fern]

idk why you guys are so worried about fury bs

its not the bs that makes fury strong

its odyns fury

[astral yarrow]

BS is the outlier. OF isnt really the issue in itself, the issue is mainly Titans Torment making your burst have 0 setup. Avatar = enraged+OF. Roar in same global and then BS

take 50% off the Odyns Fury damage from that and it kinda paints a picutre

[thick hamlet]

is the last boss on mists cooked or is it a skill issue as usual

the AoE don't seem accurate, the boss is too big and hides said innacurate aoe indicators

tell me it's a skill issue and i'll move on (i won't)

[astral yarrow]

you can spell reflect and move through them

but yes they are often invisible

[nova marsh]

Okay I finally did ara kara

...that last boss is awful. Like jesus christ

And I did it all meele too

[twilit roost]

ya'll think that the MS proc's during bladestorm, and the slams from cleaves NOT adding to stacks of collateral damage is intended or an oversight

[nova marsh]

The slams from Fervor DO count though

Unhinged procs however....they haven't slept since launch. They did in the beta

But blizz said na fam

[thick hamlet]

blizz wanted to nerf fury's bladestorm unhinged bloodthirst working with whirlwind cleave

and arms was collateral (see what i did there)

[nova marsh]

As is the same old tale for a lot of this season

arms getting nerfed for the sins of fury

[thick hamlet]

arms is by no means weak

although i'll admit that it's funny that i already got kicked from m+ parties twice after invite when they find out i'm not fury

[mortal crag]

That was hot fixed week 1 without hurting bladestorm itself

[nova marsh]

Yeah arms is like solid middle of the pack as per usual

[thick hamlet]

and in turn, nerfed 2target cleave armed had since DF launch

[visual fern]

Better nerf OF and Roar more

Hit target cap too instead of up front damage

"We will balance around target caps so each spec can shine in their niche"

https://tenor.com/GV5n.gif

[nova marsh]

They're gonna soft cap OF and roar at 2 targets by the end of this xpack

like I stg it'll happen

[thick hamlet]

no more BS nerfs please

[visual fern]

OF dot splits damage for each target over 8 (soon to be 5)

https://tenor.com/tOZw.gif

[thick hamlet]

how can they nerf fury's BS without arms catching strays

[nova marsh]

Blizzard is coming for evrey inch of that 70% buff from the beta

[visual fern]

That's the best part, they can't

[nova marsh]

Easy. ADD THE SPEC MODIFIERS

Will they? no. Lmao

[leaden vine]

why is my bloodbound horror parse randomly like 200k less than what i did on details

[honest flicker]

All I'm saying is no matter what type of sim I'm doing, single or multi adds. My arms sim is coming out ahead everytime.

I'm assuming this is before nerfs to target cap OF

So idk what's going on maybe it's my itemization

[astral talon]

Augmentation?

[nova marsh]

Kick the aug