arms

[vestal smelt]

I really don't like playing with SKS, is it that important? Or can I drop it for another point at minimal dps loss?

[balmy kindle]

You can but it's significant ST dps loss in raid

M+ it's kind of whatever

[vestal smelt]

I only play m+

[neon niche]

I wonder if u played arms for the last 5 years
cuz it has been like that

w/o reap

[balmy kindle]

Dreadnaught was better tho

Iirc in DF u could run no cleave

Just just using set bonus mortal strike and DN

[neon niche]

true it was only ms on season 2 with dreadnaught ignore pain and thunderclap

but other than that it was p much the same

as current slayer

even with sb builds

[balmy kindle]

True that, but reap does alot of damage in sustained aoe

[tropic eagle]

It looks good too imo kinda flowing

Big Cleave into reap proc gives me dopamine

[neon niche]

brickd up boys

[boreal plume]

whats the rotation for arms in pvp?

[unique warren]

final boss grim batol's trinket is good?

[river ridge]

It's a solid choice. On demand big stat boost with no extra hoops that lines up with Avatar perfectly. Theoretically not the best but still very good.

[arctic hearth]

Its the only good trinket i have 😭

[dire hinge]

I’d check out #pvp this channel is mostly PVE

[icy mulch]

Hmm so playing with Colossal Arms.
This whole spec just makes me ask, "Why?"

How many strikes is counted in one cast of demolish?

[boreal quartz]

Does do dam tho

[icy mulch]

I was holding 1.8 mill on the 5 target dummies. It is just so random.

[icy mulch]

Hmmm

Has anyone played with Warlord's torment so you can crit with demo all the time?

[boreal quartz]

I played warlords on council

Feels shit

20% crit isnt enough

[icy mulch]

Any time I have to push SS the combo feels shit...

[icy mulch]

Right, Reck is only 20% not 100. Forgot that.

[wanton sierra]

i got the tier!!

[boreal quartz]

I mean ss is a half GCD so it's ok...

[boreal quartz]

RIP warcry...

[boreal quartz]

I went from 2p to 5p yesterday was very fun

[icy mulch]

Legion man, we were spoiled back then.

[boreal quartz]

And from like 612 to 617 cuz i finally could upgrade stuff

[wanton sierra]

man should i track somehow thhe lethal blows from tier? i feel i just need to play ignoring it

[rapid bronze]

this 15.3 million demolish crit is why I can't play another class

[wanton sierra]

bro i hitted 30M on mad queens mandate and demolish 20M on ingra malloch (mists first boss) +9

boss was like 15% and dead

[rapid bronze]

lmao

[boreal quartz]

Technically yes

But its not exactly fun to play around in raid build

[wanton sierra]

i played slayer on dawnbreaker, decent dam... but colossus is way more fun

my colossus single target sucks

[boreal quartz]

Yea a bit haha

Id say slayer is the spider keys

And grim batol

And colossus in most others

@ornate eagle do you still have the damage highlighter WA for demolish?

[wanton sierra]

hey, and if you have thhe lethal blows wa track proc, plz

[plucky fern]

im still waiting for 50mil demolish on skarmorak

very unlucky so far, i got like 16-17m normal hits but no crits

[rapid bronze]

I have trash trinkets so I can't do the setup to my liking still

[boreal quartz]

Should be easy to make from presets in WA

[plucky fern]

i just copied aura that tracks overpower and changed trigger to lethal blows

[strange perch]

daily reminder that arms is the best spec in the game bar none

[unkempt fern]

whys everyone taking colossus for m+?

[fringe moon]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-seethe-copium-gif-4530870914968371816

[tropic eagle]

Yall have a colossus build cooked for M+ 10 and higher?

I feel experimental today

[fringe moon]

There’s 1 on wowhead already

[tropic eagle]

ah very nice

does anyone actually like SKS? xD

I feel like its such an unwanted talent by us and yet we have to play it

[arctic hearth]

I kinda like it on ST. Or im a bit used to it by now i guess is more correct to say😅 not a huge fan in m+ tho..

[empty sluice]

I liked the old one

[fluid matrix]

is arms going to trump fury after these ptr nerfs?

I know its ahead in ST, but seeing some arms in the higher m+ keys now

[pearl nymph]

Arms roar getting nerf aswell ?

[arctic hearth]

Sadly yes

Same spell id or someshit

[pearl nymph]

Are we even the highest on aoe? no way

[strange perch]

LMAO

what a glorious meme

[serene hollow]

if blizzard's idea of arms being the slower, harder hitting spec was accurate then sks could feel good. but no, rage doesn't really matter until execute, so an extra builder doesn't feel great

[fossil mantle]

8 mil Cleave hit, now this is why I rolled arms.

[tropic eagle]

yeah we are ramping with gear/stats

[rose ibex]

This channel seems different. The arms warriors seem.... happy?

[unkempt fern]

fury has been dooming for so long

[rose ibex]

Glad to see so many folks playing colossus

[tropic eagle]

arms is not great most of the time, so when you can be competitive a bit for a change we are content haha

[rose ibex]

Despite the jank I love the build personally

[unkempt fern]

my fav hero talent for warrior is thane by far

sad arms doesnt have it

and it sucks for fury

at least prot can be happy with it

[tropic eagle]

yeah I still dont get why thane is a fury hero spec

[unkempt fern]

i think colossus would be bis for fury

[fossil mantle]

I am super thankful arms didnt get mountain thane. It just doesnt make sense for me except for prot.

[unkempt fern]

why?

we use thunder clap more than fury

[tropic eagle]

I mean they probably went of Muradin lore right

[fossil mantle]

Thunderclap has never been an important rotational ability for someone other than prot. Arms just uses it to spread rend and thats it.

[tropic eagle]

he was dual wield fury thane so they just gave it to fury

[unkempt fern]

imagine if every execute released a thunder aswell

that'd be cool

[fossil mantle]

like s3 tier set? god no, please.

[unkempt fern]

nono

just visually

[rose ibex]

If executes had the feeling of starting up a lawnmower

[unkempt fern]

bro

that's kinda based

[rose ibex]

And once you got it started you just fucking exploded with lightning

Instead of thunder clapping on every execute, maybe you thunder clapped on every spender?

[fossil mantle]

lets stick to hitting with our weapons boys and not thunders. Leave that to the shammys

[nova sequoia]

Are all secondary stats kinda close in value or is crit way ahead for arms

[jolly goblet]

In the rotation do i just spam MS on CD or wait for the 2 stacks?

[thick kelp]

haste is way ahead and the rest are close

for slayer

[fossil thistle]

What if you just became thunder??

shamans would be so jealous

[hot current]

hello, what do you think is the best talent build for m+, i dont know if i am doing something wrong, but cant outdmg the dk and pally at all

[dry ravine]

Are you supposed to roar before avatar? and if so, why?

[fair topaz]

If you roar after avatar you shout too loudly and it's considered a microaggression

[dry ravine]

LOL

[latent moss]

charge rend roar cs + ava bs ms sks

or rather ava + cs

[dry ravine]

Thanks!

shold u delay sks to wait for roar to come off cd?

[manic stirrup]

if u use it on cd it aligns well

[dry ravine]

ok, is there any cd to sit on to wait for overlap or no?

[manic stirrup]

depends on what order you use trhem

[dry ravine]

wtv is optimal for ST

[manic stirrup]

use roar immediately on pull after rend sks is after you bladestorm

itll line up every time

[gentle magnet]

guys

quick question

for raid what build you use?

raid + cleave or pure raid?

[tribal meteor]

Each boss has his own build either ST or MT

[tribal meteor]

you should check the top warriors in warcraft logs and copy their talents on each boss

that way you would have the optimal talents when it comes to the boss fights

same goes for M+

[junior plover]

im a little confused on what to craft this season. i've held all my sparks. is it really just to fill ilvl?

[tribal meteor]

You should craft the weapon with Ascension embleshment

[gentle magnet]

thx

[junior plover]

thanks!

[tribal meteor]

and wrist probably for your other embleshment which is the armor writhing band but that is changable by some other gear slots that you lack in ilvl

[junior plover]

perfect tysm

[tribal meteor]

thats the wrist if anyone is wondering

but you can craft it on other slots if your lacking in ilvl

I would advise to sim your upgrades to optimize your output and not waste a spark

[icy mulch]

So after playing a bit with Colossal and Slayer. I see Slayer can be better for AoE, but man none of the cooldowns really line up much at all.

[tropic eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/angers-bingo-cat-angry-bashing-table-smash-gif-17090454

I think Im leaning to colossus now in M+ its just a lot of fun at times

[dreamy sleet]

Bruh I wish I didn’t have to do the tutorial for a new character 😭😭😭 wanted to go goblin warr

[latent moss]

me when demolish doesnt crit on first boss mists

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[tropic eagle]

thaha true

[weak wave]

Do we still only Exe and OP during Execute phase even with 4p?

[manic stirrup]

ms with 2 buffs of ep and 4 set

[dreamy sleet]

We want to keep MS on CD yeah? Just hit OP and mash it whenever it pops up

[sleek fox]

Ayo Arms peeps. Icy and WH both say Crit is top prio. But any time I look at logs or raider io, the best warriors are 2:1 Haste > Crit. Any ideas? Is there something I'm not seeing?

[tropic eagle]

At some point haste becomes your prio

[finite mantle]

ur not seeing ur top gear sim

[manic stirrup]

haste has always been higher prio for me as slayer

[sleek fox]

I'm slowly gonna make that switch to Haste myself cuz I'm 31% Crit 15% Haste and all the good players seem to be inverted.

[noble oxide]

I thought it was double vers lining?

[fossil mantle]

if you macroed /spit it gave bonus damage but blizz nerfed that as well

[ionic reef]

which hero talents are best for m+

[cunning sleet]

Hi, has anyone beaten ?? Zekvir yet? How are you supposed to deal with the 2 casts?

Bran can dispel every other one but surely I'm not just supposed to let him heal everytime?

[tired sinew]

hi.. quick check... does it matter if i craft the sword or axe seeing that their weapon dmg variance is different?

[olive nest]

Weapon types are equalized so any crafted 2h will be the same

[tired sinew]

surte thank you very much

[thick hamlet]

do i get a primary stat gem anyway even if it's the only one?

i mean over a secondaries gem

[olive nest]

Simming that would give you the best answer

But you have access to 6 sockets instantly with the settings so keep that in mind

[delicate agate]

Anyone down ?? Zekvir yet as arms?

[thick hamlet]

you mean i can sim with 6 sockets? i mean at this point it's obviously the best,ya?

but ya i should probably just sim it

[ebon garden]

what are you all playing in m+ guys, i am torn betweend slayer jugg, slayer aoe m+, or collossus

i feel like a shit on boss as collossus

[olive nest]

I read your message as if you only had one socket available and you were wondering if you should use the primary stat gem,
So I was throwing out there that you could buy 5 more sockets to put on your rings/necks

Maybe I mis understood

[latent moss]

ye

[arctic hearth]

All of the above😅😂

[ebon garden]

depending on the dj ?

[vital rune]

Man, posting your own key really isn't all that much faster...

[tender basalt]

hmm why is the between arms and fury so wide for mythic Rasha'an..I know there is a variance in ST vs MT but its much wider for that fight

[astral yarrow]

they took away the point of playing fury on that fight for parsing purposes

as in, damage to the adds does not count on logs

[livid cloak]

there's a colossus build yo ucan take that does good boss dam, its not as good as jugg slayer, but it has a lot more aoe than jug slayer

this sims like 950k ST for me, vs jugg slayer at like 1.1 mil

and the aoe is much higher

just had this in a 8 stonevault with this build

biggest issue (for me) with this build is just none of your shit ever seems to line up

cs, demo, roar/ava, ravager just feel all over the place

[noble oxide]

I dont understand the decision in general, but to do it only for 1 specific fight is even more confusing

[olive nest]

That’s exactly my biggest gripe with current arms

Love the spec but really dislike the current iteration

[neon niche]

Sean Diddy Combs? In a brown discord?

[shadow ibex]

Colossus aoe feels unhinged no pun intended

[marsh falcon]

Same tbh

[shadow ibex]

You have all the buttons

[marsh falcon]

I feel the same way with fury rn tho

[shadow ibex]

Meat cleaver is at least a template

Arms is cleave and at this target count do this with sweeping and this target count do this

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[tender basalt]

makes sense, and thanks for clrifying. weird they did this for this fight

[ebon garden]

do you take master sword torment or keep the roar cd ?

[arctic hearth]

What ilvl are you at? And how much crit/haste?

[arctic hearth]

1 point from tactition (OP reset below bleed i belive?) into Sudden Death not worth?

Could also swap Dreadnaught for a bit more ST? Would be cool to see your dmg breakdown👍

[minor gust]

Dreadnaught is pure ass

[arctic hearth]

I keep reading its not that bad as well, havent tested it enough myself

[gentle magnet]

is it worth dropping 2nd bloodborne for the skullsplitter?

[minor gust]

Huh you should already have 2/2 BB and sks

[shadow ibex]

DN is like exactly 2.2% overall in a few runs

[gentle magnet]

wouldn't it be better to drop deft experience for skull splitter?

[delicate agate]

Could you show me the talents you used? I’m hitting a heavy wall

[gentle magnet]

i am talking about these

i mean we not really that big on mastery as we focus haste crit right?

also can someone tell me what i am doing wrong?

sim shows me cleave should be top dpser

but mine looks like this

[minor gust]

Warriors like all stats

[wheat lagoon]

Slayer seems to do a lot of dam too

9 ara kara

10mist

[ebon garden]

you play sks ?

[wheat lagoon]

no

i do plenty of boss dam too

[ebon garden]

the second one looks like juggernaugt

[wheat lagoon]

they're both jug

[minor gust]

another 2% DN overall

[ebon garden]

you play roar cd or ss proc on avatar ?

[wheat lagoon]

i'm also 622 but i've mainly been stating for fury, just started playing arms today cause i was bored

im surprised that it's doing a lot of dmg after hearing so much about it being worse than fury, seems to do about the same dmg

[minor gust]

no one with a brain says arms is way worse than fury in dmg

they were pretty equal even before the nerfs

[wheat lagoon]

i agree, just warriors that i talk to who main arms

so i wanted to see for myself

guess they're just doomers

[minor gust]

Arms especially Slayer arms just needed things to live longer

Slayer is very good consistent dmg

[wheat lagoon]

yeah, feels good, i'll probably play it more when i start to push keys with max gear.

[minor gust]

this season is def gonna be about who can live the longest again which is where fury will eek ahead

Arms is very tanky but fury is tankier

[grand idol]

Having a set damage profile is also an advantage for fury

[wheat lagoon]

yeah, only problem i have with fury is no sustain dmg when it matters

but it does crazy prio dmg

[thick kelp]

This sim is from 5min 5target

your dungeon breakdown is from a dungeon

thats why

[neat loom]

do u guys enjoy colossus?

[minor gust]

only in aoe

[livid cloak]

roar cd

[wheat lagoon]

i;m not a fan

[grand idol]

Never bothered. Seems like fyralath 2.0 and I had enough of being too bad to not die when using that.

[wheat lagoon]

i just dont like lack of ST

[livid cloak]

615 24% crit 15% haste

[neat loom]

what u play in m+ as arms? jugger or standard slayer?

[minor gust]

get a queens mandate and let that carry you

[wheat lagoon]

they wont give me that for a while

[livid cloak]

colossus kinda feels ass in ST without 2/2 deft. you get a lot of OP resets, and with 4p it feels worth

i sim'd various combos of bloodborne, deft, sudden death, and sks. and 2/2 deft 1/2 bb sks no SD came out on top for ST

honestly my least favorite thing is MBG. i only get like 2 or 3 cleaves from it and it does nothing ST, but it sims so high

apparently it just does a lot of work

[latent moss]

it doesnt really sim that high

its really good as colossus for colat

mbg on colat cleave is crazy

[livid cloak]

every time i sim'd d slice and 5t 2min it tells me mbg is big gains

[latent moss]

idk when i simmed full bis talents it was like

60-70k over mass

bis gear talents*

at 5t

and mass was 20ish k over mbg on st

[royal escarp]

i have question about demolish did you use it on full stack ? if no what the les stack you do

[neat loom]

warbreaker with colossus?

[latent moss]

y

[neat loom]

ah i see people on rio playing a different colossus build than the one in wowhead

[manic stirrup]

mass is definitely worth over mbg if you have to pick

but ideally get both

[neon ocean]

Fury ST certainly isn't great but when we are talking about an extremely specific example like triple spears into stitchflesh will arms still do more than fury within that small window?

[manic stirrup]

theres a ton of different stuff you can try with colossus

there isnt 1 set build

[minor gust]

only second week of keys ppl are still testing shit

[neon ocean]

I haven't tried arms in NW yet so I was curious

[manic stirrup]

idk thats too specific

depends on crit rng too

[naive breach]

is it wrong that i just want fat executes

i dont want anything else in my life

[manic stirrup]

go for it

[neon ocean]

I personally wanna play Colossus and thane but I play slayer for more st, thane fury is especially painful because the spec is already lacking in ST and thane drops the bar there

At least Colossus is fairly good and sees play

Thane pretty much doesn't exist unless you play prot

[manic stirrup]

you can play thane as fury in keys

your st will be mid but its not egregiously bad

[minor gust]

Fury also has good ST in M+ saying it doesnt is disingenuous.

[manic stirrup]

in slayer for sure

in thane not so much

[minor gust]

yeah talking about slayer

[neon ocean]

Maybe fury loses less ST in their m+ spec compared to other classes to make that statement true

[manic stirrup]

they lose almost nothing

[minor gust]

not maybe just true

[neon ocean]

Yeah I had to edit

[minor gust]

fury loses the least

[neon ocean]

Phones are bad

[naive breach]

i just tried arms after dargenflight s4 first time

[neon ocean]

But fury ST is not tuned to be good really, if it's actually not bad in m+ it must be because others are paying a higher cost to get their aoe

[naive breach]

the moment we hit executie range, rage is where?

cant find it

[minor gust]

yes in a pure ST scenario in pure ST talents fury is looking pretty bad but thats also just nothing new because thats just not furys strength

[minor gust]

play Slayer

[naive breach]

ye slayer looked like it has more rage

but how can you not play the DEMOLISH button

[minor gust]

its the same as DF your just spamming execute

[naive breach]

is cleave still like >5

and less 5 ms etc ?

[neon ocean]

Finding time to hit overpower bonus dmg procs is actually hard sometimes, the rage bar does not want to empty

That's been my experience with arms slayer so far

Even in execute

Rather, especially there

[manic stirrup]

cleave if theres 3 targets

or 2 with ss

[arctic hearth]

Whats Mass and mbg? Just done working 12h concrete job and on my phone😅

[neon ocean]

Oh yeah I meant in raid sorry

[manic stirrup]

massacre and merciless bonegrinder

[naive breach]

@manic stirrup is skullsplitter giga goated or ney ? seen some boys play with it some not

[manic stirrup]

i think it’s really good

[naive breach]

or is it more a colossus plays it for more rage and slayer doesnt care

[manic stirrup]

i havent played without it though

[livid cloak]

It gives rage in execute phase

[arctic hearth]

Right, tyvm! And @sean ty for simming all of it👍

[manic stirrup]

ill be doing keys basically all night

[livid cloak]

So it's good lol

[arctic hearth]

On stream choco? Going to bed, would be perf to hop on stream🤩

[manic stirrup]

itll be when you wake up

like 7 hours

[latent moss]

have u tried jugg colossus

[manic stirrup]

no i had raid and forgot to do after

[latent moss]

to me it feels better than the regular build but damage wise idk

[manic stirrup]

no raid tonight though

[latent moss]

not a big diff

[dusty depot]

Good compared to what?

[manic stirrup]

i think jugg just makes aoe too cringe

[manic stirrup]

everything

[dusty depot]

Yeah if you play with bad people

Certainly better than augment

[latent moss]

xd

[manic stirrup]

in m+ they do great st

lol

[latent moss]

🪤

[minor gust]

just another clueless tier list andy

[dusty depot]

It's not as horrible as in raids, that doesn't mean it's great

[manic stirrup]

it’s okay to not know something but to pretend you do is weird

[latent moss]

me when i lie on the internet

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[astral yarrow]

just be confident

[dusty depot]

Ok, so say which ones have worse single-target

[arctic hearth]

👍👍

[latent moss]

say which ones have better st

[manic stirrup]

depends on talents

but feral ret boomkin marks surv bm (if they talent into any aoe at all) all warlock outlaw sub havoc dev aug off the top of my head

not sure about ww sin frost enhance ele or magi

[latent moss]

sin loses

[cyan wraith]

any good vids anyone can recommend to learn arms?

[latent moss]

i beat enhance usually but idk depends

same with fdk

[fresh spire]

on pull you just send it after MS and cooldowns, But later one you always send it with max stacks as it's hard to not have max stacks by time its off cd, something to not really worry over

[royal escarp]

okay

thks a lot my friend

[fresh spire]

[fresh spire]

slayer strickly sends SKS before execute on cd where in execute it uses it for rage, Colossus would use it for rage more often in execute since it has half the sudden death procs for free executes while having less prio to weave overpowers unless you are rage starving

Slayer has a much cleaner time with rage than colossus purely because of the Slayer strikes free procs/overpower opportunist weaving

[arctic hearth]

Click on choco and go to his Twitch -> watch earlier streams. I learn a lot even tho im not doing +9/10 yet and arms kinda need trash to live longer to get its dmg out. For my +5/6 fury simply outperforms it pretty hard -> skill issue as arms and i usually play with pumper mage and hunter.

[unique warren]

guys, skullsplitter its not necessary for m+ build?

it is not mandatory, in this case

[royal escarp]

you can get it on two target with swipping strike

more dps

[astral talon]

I play m+ without, feels awkward as hell

[manic stirrup]

do they really

honestly kinda surpising

probably depends on build and how much aoe they go for

[latent moss]

all 3 roguues kinda stink st wise

IIRC

[fossil mantle]

yo I thought the arms rework is coming in 12.0, did they move it to 18.0? shieeeeet

[devout pewter]

Next anniversary it is

[fossil mantle]

btw, does anyone know if Spare meat hook interacts with thunderous words?

[latent moss]

yep

new insider info

[rare kite]

it shouldn't. i can't say it doesn't guaranteed but very likely it does not

[scenic meadow]

What build are people sporting for Arms on Council? Or is Fury the better chocie for adds?

[pale lodge]

Adds=fury

[dire hinge]

You can always pull up WarcraftLogs and filter to the boss, difficulty, and individual Class/Spec using the drop downs at the top. This will populate a heat map of the most popular talents at the top of the page

Helps see what are the most common picks, and which should likely be avoided

[lofty patrol]

say i wanted to get the max ilvl charged claymore crafted. what's the process?

• find someone who can craft max ilvl first?
• put up public contract?
• how do i know what level reagents to buy?

[quasi torrent]

find a crafter first

they can tell u what mats to buy

[pale lodge]

To get the max ilvl (mythic) u need mats from mythic raid or higher keys

”Enchanted Glided harbringer crest

Rest u can buy on ah. U see what mats u need in the crafting station

[scenic meadow]

90 Gilded Harbinger Crests. Really only available from Delve maps, M+ 9 and above, and Mythic raid bosses.

[rancid willow]

What rank Delves?

[wild heart]

You get 15 gilded from last two bosses on heroic

[scenic meadow]

Secret box in delves. Requires a Delver's Bounty (rare) and gives 3 Gilded.

[zealous sphinx]

Is demolish amped by anything

[gaunt owl]

yes Mighty stupid stack

and CS and Avatar

pretty much anything

[lethal acorn]

It wasn't that I wasn't using cleave enough, it was that I didn't take enough cleave modifiers

One against many, Barbaric training, Collateral damage, and Merciless bonegrinder all add up

[zealous sphinx]

dsick

Sick

[thick cairn]

if im fury main with haste mastery crafted items, is it worth rerolling stats for arms or just stay?

[lethal acorn]

Do you wanna main Arms or Fury?

Colossus Arms wants Crit/mastery and Slayer Arms wants Crit/haste

[thick cairn]

im likely to main fury on all but the pure single target fights, sikran/ nexus

[kind stag]

i do fine on crit haste colossus aswell, idk

[lethal acorn]

Arms is really good on 2nd boss of the raid too

[grand idol]

When i simmed it as long as my jewelry had crit there was very little difference in outcome between mastery and crit.

[lethal acorn]

Colossus doesn't want as much haste

[cunning sleet]

I asked this before but didn't feel like I got a satisfactory response. I have a 606 wep, is it worth it to craft a 636 wep without an embellishment, which would delay my second dusk thread like 2 weeks?

[grand idol]

yes

Absolutely

[cunning sleet]

I see

[grand idol]

imo of course.

[kind stag]

yeah i guess but yknow

[thick cairn]

+30 on weapon is massive

[kind stag]

like this is hard to replace

[cunning sleet]

I always sim with haste higher than crit and mastery in both St and multi

[kind stag]

on colo?

[cunning sleet]

With CRIT being better than mastery in St iirc

[lethal acorn]

Locket of Broken Memories from Rasha is bis for Arms

[cunning sleet]

No, slayer

[kind stag]

yeh slayer ofc

[cunning sleet]

Dude is talking about st, which means slayer

[grand idol]

Im pretty sure that proc neck is bis for everyone isnt it

The vers proc one

[lethal acorn]

I run Colossus in raid

[cunning sleet]

For st? Why?

[grand idol]

Surekis zealots insignia

[lethal acorn]

It isn't that much of a ST loss after the changes

[minor gust]

[grave mulch]

Its still 8% behind slayer

[lethal acorn]

After the changes?

[grave mulch]

Yes

[lethal acorn]

Thought it was half that

[minor gust]

the colossus buffs were incredibly minor

[lethal acorn]

I mean whatever, I like being tankier lol

[raw leaf]

Is the delve polearm good for us?

[grave mulch]

no^

[raw leaf]

i got one hero track from my weekly

[lethal acorn]

I'm not gonna play Slayer even if Blizz can't balance their game, I like the colossus playstyle better

[raw leaf]

it does like 19mil on a lfr boss.

[grave mulch]

Whats not balanced about slayer?

[lethal acorn]

No I mean, both hero trees should be within 2% of each other in all content

Ideally

[cunning sleet]

You want haste crit for st slayer, but sim yourself since it depends on your stats

[kind stag]

idk dross

[grave mulch]

Its not the only hero talents that arent balanced and blizzard is working on stuff for 11.0 PTR

[kind stag]

crit haste is still go to on colossus according to literally best arms colossus in the game rn

gelly is crazy

[lethal acorn]

When you have enough crit and mastery, sure

[kind stag]

16k crit 11k haste 7 k mastery

[cunning sleet]

Where does he say that? I'm not saying you are lying but does he have a yt?

[lethal acorn]

Slayer likes haste because of slayers strike and reap the storm procs on autos

[raw leaf]

slayer in m+ good?

[lethal acorn]

He probably has it for slayer

[cunning sleet]

Yes

[lethal acorn]

Unless he plays colo in raid

[kind stag]

hes colossus

[lethal acorn]

In raid?

[cunning sleet]

I'm around 2350 as slayer in m+, you don't usually deal insane DPS but you keep up and deal good st dmg

[lethal acorn]

He should have more mastery and less haste

[livid cloak]

arms likes all stats, don't get in the weeds with arms secondary stats too much

[frigid cipher]

I’m very sure he just doesn’t worry about stats that much and just sims his gear

[livid cloak]

yeah

just play game push button

[lethal acorn]

kk

[kind stag]

pretty much yeah, its gains lots from everything

[sinful kraken]

hello is arms better than fury now after the nerfs?

[kind stag]

yes no depends

[cunning sleet]

For me, haste is much better than other stats for aoe

According to stat sim it's like 38 vs 33 DMG for haste and mastery

[wispy shell]

noob question, why do RWF only use fury and all guides put it top-tier when Warcraftlogs and warrior mains say Arms does more dmg?

[cunning sleet]

Fury damage profile is rly good for raid

A lot of small adds that you can dump your CDs onto

For pure st, arms is better

[kind stag]

current raid has tons of adds phases which favors fury, but on pure ST fights they pick arms

[wispy shell]

so basically they care more about the adds spiking difficulty more than hitting enrage check?

[kind stag]

less time spent on adds more time spent on boss

[cunning sleet]

Well not exactly, if fury takes care of adds others can focus boss

[kind stag]

besides how fury works, they cleave so they hit both

[cunning sleet]

Yy

[kind stag]

fury pads a lot

[cunning sleet]

It can, but I don't think the add damage is always padding

[frigid cipher]

Arms is better st by a lot. Fury is much better than wclogs front page would have you believe since the cringe rashanan change.
Fury went from best by far to worst by far which skews the front page stats rankings

[cunning sleet]

Or often even, this tier

[kind stag]

i "feel" more comfy on fury but i get depresso once my fury burst is on CD and tank starts outdpsing me on trash packs

[raw leaf]

Can someone explain to me why the polearm is not good ? Just trying to see if i should use a spark or not for a wep

i know its missing strength but the damage it did was pretty high

[frigid cipher]

Syringe? It’s just bad in aoe

ST damage is fine but I wouldn’t want it to be my only weapon

[raw leaf]

gotcha

makes sense

[sinful kraken]

what do you do when you got no cds on arms in aoe?

press slam?

surely not

[balmy cradle]

thunderclap maybe

[dire hinge]

That should rarely happen in AoE between Cleave, OP, MS, Execute, and TClap cooldowns, but if literally everything is unavailable you can always Shockwave or Slam

[balmy cradle]

is colossus better?

thought it was slayer

[zealous sphinx]

I like it for M+

[unique warren]

Are these the same talents that are there in the discord that you use for colossus?

[sullen holly]

is arms struggling that bad in m+? im looking at logs and seeing 99 parses with like 33% less dps than a good ret pally

[shadow ibex]

shockwave is uncapped

https://tenor.com/view/white-cat-eating-salad-meme-blonde-woman-crying-gif-26971383

TR yelling at shockwave

[trim skiff]

ret is busted honestly

but you can do pretty good priority + single target damage

[balmy cradle]

are they nerfing arms next patch?

[shadow ibex]

idk how ret avoided nerfs

[trim skiff]

atleast thats my experience, i usually, when my teammates burst out 6-10 mil dps, i can hold out at around 4 mil, but can stay there

[shadow ibex]

but is what it is

[trim skiff]

and in the overall, i am even with them or pretty close

yeah, idk how ret avoids the nerfs

its just busted as fuck

[sullen holly]

is it better to take a more single target build in m+ over aoe then?

or somewhere in between

[trim skiff]

I'd say that, yes

I go full juggernaut / execute build with cleave + collateral + dreadnaught

and thats the only change from full st

don't expect any burst, because its something we lack, but the overall is pretty even MOST of the time.

[sullen holly]

do you take massacre too?

[trim skiff]

I do yes

[balmy cradle]

how is the aoe with that build?

[trim skiff]

im playing this build currently

you can take shockwave upgrade if the group requires it

[balmy cradle]

is colossus not worth taking ever??

[trim skiff]

people give feedbacks that colossus is great aoe but lacks a lot in ST

I'd not play it even if it was the meta because i just straight up dont like it

I don't think you should play exclusively one, play the one you like because thats how it is

[sullen holly]

i like the feel of slayer a lot, the extra spins and swings feels pretty clean

[trim skiff]

i tried both of them, slayer fits my theme more so thats what im going for

[sullen holly]

side is more dps than barbaric?

[trim skiff]

thats a good question honestly, i don't think so, but honestly went with that so far. could be that barbaric is a better choice overall

I'll do a quick sim for that

well barbaric is a huge upgrade actually, thanks for pointing that one out

atleast on 5 targets its a very big, nearing a 100k diff (5 min 5 boss sim)

[sullen holly]

nice, ill go barb then

[trim skiff]

For AOE you can go barb sure, for st sidearm still is a better choice

[balmy cradle]

I am watching critcake vods and he used bladestorm while sweeping strikes is active, why does he do that?

[trim skiff]

depends from when that video is

because for a bit of time sweeping also swept the mortal strike from bladestorm, now it does not

[balmy cradle]

it was uploaded 9 hours ago

so I assume it's recent vod

[fresh tide]

if it was 2 target maybe he did it to spread CS 🤷‍♂️

[shadow ibex]

cuz it doesnt matter really

p sure its been simd to hold and its a wash probably. i would imagine that came up

get it on cooldown so it lines up with avatar

30 sec and 90 sec

[trim skiff]

yeah, what he says, if it was two targets, its still worth it to press since colossus smash debuff gives you a great amount of dam

[icy mulch]

The only thing positive I can say about Colossus, is that cool downs seem to line up a lot easier. That's it.

[sinful kraken]

I'm really confused with arms considering CDs are all over the place. Do you basically send CDs on cd until they somehow line up?

[icy mulch]

Lol, I noticed the name "Demolish won't crit," I did some testing with the reckless keystone to Avatar. I have gotten it to crit.

Still a shitty built though.

[zealous sphinx]

The concensus for embelishmen is weapon pretty much on logs

This is what people running mostly?

Pins says otherwise

[icy mulch]

Hmm best way to put this...

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

[silk spade]

@shadow ibex schrodinger's demolish crit

[icy mulch]

I mean 3 mil hit was nice and juicy, but at what costs....

[shadow ibex]

Just don't observe it

I turned off combat text

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[silk spade]

i did that years ago

no use other than tilt yourself

[shadow ibex]

They are useless other than seeing parry

That'd only text I miss

Knowing if this counts as behind or not

[trim skiff]

by the way, am i the only one who thinks arms is squishier than things should be?
a dk having random 20% stamina as a 1 pointer in the middle of their tree and a 590 geared dk having only 100k less hp than me feels absurd

and im in 620

[silk spade]

use IP more

[radiant lion]

yea.. no.

[subtle ore]

Are any of the colossus talent trees on icyveins or wowhead worth running for single target?

[trim skiff]

i mean its alright, but ip doesnt give me nearly 2 million health they just get baseline..:D

[silk spade]

they have less mobility

[trim skiff]

eh, i dont think so

[silk spade]

you can think whatever you like

[past abyss]

Can anyone share Revvez's ARMS/FURY WA?

[balmy kindle]

Die by the sword is babe in m+ tho

[timber walrus]

I just switched to arms from fury. Is there off hand in auction house?

[drifting apex]

@timber walrus there is no off hand in arms

[timber walrus]

Oh sorry what should the weapons be

[edgy solstice]

Arms is a single two-handed weapon

[timber walrus]

Ohh ok thank you

[past abyss]

Can anyone share Revvez's ARMS/FURY WA?

[teal fossil]

to be fair

that 20% stamina has been in the game for a decade

if anyone deserves it its them

and stamina doesnt tell the whole story

that being said arms losing avoidance randomly in beta wasnt good

[trim skiff]

wasnt it like 10% stam that got buffed to 20%? or was it a 2 pointer before, i don't remember 100%

[buoyant pulsar]

Dks smell who cares

[timber walrus]

Why can't I bl;adestorm

[wary musk]

dum dum warrior here with a dum dum question, does the last hit of demolish need to go off when CS is on the target to benefit from it? or do I just need to start the channel before it falls off

[manic stirrup]

needs the debuff on the target

[teal fossil]

10% doesnt really matter too much

stam is like the worst stat unless you get one shot

[unique warren]

craft sword and crit/haste

?

[tired terrace]

Can only get it through twitch sub

[past abyss]

Can anyone share Revvez's ARMS/FURY WA?

[hexed saddle]

u can get them by subbing to him on twitch

[vernal crypt]

Seeing as it's behind a sub it would be scummy to share it. Support your streamer.

[quasi haven]

Is tehre an quick explanation why Versatility on embalishment is better then Crit?

[merry stone]

You are already gearing for crit

[quasi haven]

Just like "Enough is enough"?

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[quasi haven]

Thats what i thought 😄

[atomic mountain]

Hey i got my 2h embelish axe wuth ascendent. What embelish do i craft für wrist then?

[cyan oriole]

the writhing one most likely

[lean wigeon]

Hey guys I can't understan this thing. Never saw two stacks of SuddenDeath and even in description there is no line like "stack up to * times"
Is this a mistake or what?

[vapid bay]

No, it stacks

If you get the talent + slayer SD the procs are often and can stack

[torn goblet]

So, can anyone else verify they nerfed spell reflect in zekvir p2? It doesnt seem to be doing any damage for me

[lean wigeon]

got it thx

[lean wigeon]

what if I have only 1 stack then where do you put it in priority? between MS and Skullsplitter?

[grand idol]

I think, not sure but think, the juggernaut and sudden death buff durations are very similar if not the same. So you would hold it until you get a second sudden death proc or use it before juggernaut expires.

[lean wigeon]

thank you brother that make sense

[grand idol]

That's only how I read it. I would welcome a more knowledgeable source to weigh in.

[latent moss]

arms has giga low stamina for w/e reason

i mean fury has lower stam than all the other plates as well

cause our stamina increase talent

is a massive dps loss

unlike the others xd

[trim skiff]

yeah i figured... feels amazing that on a 11 boralus i get to 128k hp without any mitigation, on 3rd boss unavoidable damage so much fun

[trim skiff]

i wouldn't mind it though, the damages are just way too spiky to have this low amount of total health

[latent moss]

i dont mind having proactive defensives

but stamina is way too low for arms imo

[minor gust]

Time to gem for stamina

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-type-gif-24052524

[trim skiff]

yeah i mean i don't mind switching to def stance and pressing spell reflect because it helps the healer, but i think the spike damages are just insane

[latent moss]

remove the negative effecrt from dstance for arms

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1270040420315037727.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[trim skiff]

and the level 12 and upwards key affix is just insanity

[gaunt owl]

why did you push the timeline back for the rework

we gonna blame you now !

[trim skiff]

in 621 i need an external on necrotic wake first boss otherwise I'd just die with a 3 million overkill kekw

(+12)

[gaunt owl]

even with Dstance ?

[trim skiff]

dstance + spell ref

i can take it with die by the sword since that just makes the ability parry but on another occasion if i get unlucky and get a second one i just die

when i saw that xalataths guile affix giving just straight up 20% hp and damage to everything i was like why would they do fortified 2.0

either damages have to be tuned down (spiky ones) or idk

key levels and damage feels a lot higher than how it felt in DF S4

[gaunt owl]

thats always the problem with mplussing push

too many one shot

and now its tuned harder

[trim skiff]

yeah but i mean its now tuned even worse

and you need to do 10's to get mythic track item fro mthe vault

i don't see why it was tuned this way

I can't really see myself pushing to high scores this way, because oneshots aren't really fun. I enjoyed DF S3 M+ tuning, had some outliers but was fun up until 28's imo

[latent moss]

tuning is cracked

[trim skiff]

i could easily do 10's in S4 df even with 495 ilvl when the maximum was 528

now it feels pretty unbalanced compared to that

[quaint cosmos]

why do we run colossus smash instead of warbreaker in m+?

[trim skiff]

Blunt Instrument gives you more uptime on your haste buff from IFTK

And it is more valuable, you have more boss damage aswell.

Can prio targets pretty nicely while not losing out much on AOE

[quaint cosmos]

ok

ig i want to bi in ss tho right?

aswell if i have smash ss and bs up wats the order?

[misty bridge]

I killed it yesterday with SR

[torn goblet]

Strange. I fought him a bunch today, got into P2 multiple times and sr'd his attack. Details was showing 0 damage from sr

[weak wave]

You think DKs have more mobility than arms warriors?

[trim skiff]

depends on how you look at it, when you can ignore mechanics due to AMS giving you immunity over some sort of puddle which you have to avoid with any other char, have knockback immunity and movespeed increase for 10 seconds (2 stacks) isn't that low amount of mobility meanwhile being tanky as fuck

its more like a tie between the two characters

[latent moss]

nah double charge leap intervene is too much

[torn goblet]

Testing it again. Seems like they quietly nerfed SR to just deflect instead of reflect. It no longer does damage.

Log of damage with multiple SRs during the fight

[latent moss]

tbf it made no sense

to just reflect 50 mil xd

randomly

[balmy kindle]

DK went from wheelchair tier to walking tier now, but I would still argue warriors better, one of the reasons I hated playing DK

[past abyss]

Can anyone share Revvez's ARMS/FURY WA?

[kind stag]

was about to ask a similar thing
what WA pepos be using to track CDs and whatnot? i didnt use one in a while but i could use one to help me

i hate a lot of them too they are too big

[latent moss]

sub to his twitch

and join his discord

and u will get access to it

[wanton sierra]

how do they hide player and target frame ? since its wa already hhas

[hallow vale]

Yo guys, how is arms atm. Gameplay wise?

[kind stag]

subjective

[hallow vale]

any big difference from what it was in DF

[slow saddle]

Its very encounter based and as said dk requires less skill. No leap timing charging back. Just press immune button

Its worse

[slow saddle]

Its been slowed a bit down, and less procs so less fun. Ms is nerfed so its only good witg all multipliers up

The changes to some talents as well

[halcyon wing]

anyone got a WA to just track rend

[balmy swallow]

I’m at the 20 year anniversary concert for WoW in Switzerland and we got to write something on this massive poster so I wrote “arms warrior forever”

[latent moss]

@gaunt owl

🫡

@thick kelp

wait no u played fury on ovinax

[gaunt owl]

HUGE

[gaunt owl]

wich city was it in the best country world wide ?

[balmy swallow]

Lausanne

[gaunt owl]

i'm benched if i dont play fury for now 😄

[balmy swallow]

As a Swiss myself I agree with that statement 😂

[latent moss]

[latent moss]

cant tmy solo them

i heard he was big baller player

[gaunt owl]

brother !

[gaunt owl]

apparently not yet

we didnt funnel him enough power

[latent moss]

@dull siren noob get better

ye he is only like 629 ilvl

[gaunt owl]

yeah he is slacking

not fully bis by week 3 imagine

[latent moss]

more funnel!

buy chinese secret ansurek mythic boost for mandate

[gaunt owl]

wait a fucking minute

arent you the guys in the middle ?

[halcyon wing]

question when simming Arms on raidbots does it sim the execute phase in that 5 minutes

[gaunt owl]

yep it do

you can force execute sim only

by changing the patchwork to execute

[halcyon wing]

ok so if im simming 830k unbuffed, and then im doing 740k in dummies

is that 830k including the execute phase

or not including because i ofc cant do execute phase on dummies

[gaunt owl]

yup its doing 1min30 or so of execute

you can sim for dummy damage too

[halcyon wing]

and if im not crazy from what ive read we do stonks damage in execute phase

which would push my 740k up

ah ur right

[thick kelp]

Threatened at gunpoint to play fury there

[halcyon wing]

cheers havent simmed properly in ages so getting used to it again

[balmy swallow]

I’m on the right with the black cap if that’s what you’re asking

[latent moss]

rip

https://tenor.com/view/rage-comic-like-a-boss-epic-very-epic-cartercodes-gif-1987316027778534164

[halcyon wing]

well the good news is im doing about the range its expecting on dummys

at first on patchwerk sims i was like wow im doing 90k less im shit!

[gaunt owl]

99% sure i know the guy in the middle

[balmy swallow]

That’s one of my good mates with whom I play a lot

Where would you know him from ? I’m curious now lmao

[gaunt owl]

we live in the same city if its him

[balmy swallow]

He lives in Toulouse, France

[gaunt owl]

shit so i'm wrong !

[balmy swallow]

Darn haha

[gaunt owl]

he looks so much like someone i know

[sharp wyvern]

demolish pumps (when you have an aug, broodsac and transmitter buffs + crit)

[icy mulch]

[gaunt owl]

wanna see your face when its not a crit 😄

[sharp wyvern]

[gaunt owl]

we need somebody with the first parry screenshot of demolish

[untold trench]

Highest demo I had on beta, was 8.2mill, seems like they downtuned it since then huh

[sharp wyvern]

What ilvl were you on beta

Cause we are not even close to cap yet

[kind stag]

what embellishment should i go for on Arms? i mostly play M+ with a small side of raids every now and then

[untold trench]

626 me thinks, PvP Vers/mast with skar triny

[kind stag]

its either dawnthread or ascendance and writhing i see, very split

[latent moss]

duskthread

no point in ascendance if u are not raiding

[kind stag]

yessir

[manic river]

[languid mica]

Hey so I’m really new to warrior and I suck… I’m running arms and tried to do the rotation guide on icy veins but I can’t even find stuff like collossus smash in my spellbook. Is there a place to go on here for proper talenting and rotation?

[simple grove]

I just recieved this trinket, how shit is it?

[gilded stump]

Do you have it in your talent tree?

[languid mica]

…I’m checking and no… for some reason it’s on icy veins rotation but not in their recommended talent tree

[latent moss]

wait what

[pastel grotto]

its probably replaced with warbreaker esp if its like the m+ build

[latent moss]

no way cs isnt

[pastel grotto]

if it doesnt have either then the build is like comically bad

[tropic eagle]

Can you even skip CS in talent tree lol? Isnt it like a middle centerpiece?

Im pretty sure it just has warbreaker

[neon niche]

[pastel grotto]

im pretty sure it's possible to skip CS because it's low enough down, but yeah the only way a build doesnt take it at all is if you're trying to make an actively bad one

so almost definitely that build is just using warbreaker, which replaces CS. but also I can't find any build on icy veins that takes WB in current patch, its all blunt instruments

[simple grove]

I did, it stinks

[astral talon]

Haste

Apparently it's better

I don't like it, I play warbreaker

[tropic eagle]

We found him! The guy that plays warbreaker and the reason its being nerfed!

[astral talon]

Is it being nerfed?

[tropic eagle]

Reduced damage beyond 5 targets yeah

[pastel grotto]

not in a way that matters

[astral talon]

Oh

Dont care

[tropic eagle]

It just a meme innit

Since very few people play it and they are still doing changes to it that make it worse

[pastel grotto]

is it also actually warbreaker for sure and not the aoe pvp talent warbringer ? like do we have the spell data

[naive breach]

❤️

[slow saddle]

Matters every aoe pull, but intheory it means they can buff the dmg coz scaling is at 5

[toxic socket]

if it just rashan that add dmg doesnt count towards Logs? or is it other bosses aswell?#

[nova marsh]

For now just rashan

[formal oar]

Hi I'm starting to play arm and I'd like to know how to play it in mythic + the rotation if you have any advice I'm interested

[zenith warren]

for current arms cleave build you press ss after cds and bladestorm?

[noble oxide]

I still don’t get the rationale for the change, but I REALLY don’t get why they only targeted that specific boss. At least make it consistent imo

[cunning sleet]

got zekvir ?? down as arms!

[strange perch]

Hello Sirs, i can't decide which build to play in m+

[cunning sleet]

the one you think is more fun

[strange perch]

beetwin colossus, slayer full aoe, or slayer juggernaut

yeah but all of them are fun D:

i love colossus for the big demolishes

i love slayer cuz more single target

and juggernaut might be the less fun since u get less aoe, but way better single target than the 2 others

[cunning sleet]

What talents are you dropping for juggernaut?

or are you talking about the standard st build that doesn't use cleave? surely that's not a good idea

[dull siren]

@gaunt owl just tickles everything so it's heavy rn backpain

[neon niche]

just be a man

but if u're a sissy and cant decide on your own best build is mbg for m+

[strange perch]

xD

[strange perch]

nono

[strange perch]

wait lemme screen

u drop hurricane, bloodborne and slullsplitter

and u take suden death, juggernaut and critical thinking

[boreal quartz]

jugg with wb is criminal

[strange perch]

u're still supposed to do some aoe damage tho

[neon niche]

I mean its someone with a kitten profile picture on arms tab saying he cant decide what to eat for dinner

[neon niche]

u're not supposed to pick wb in any situation

[boreal quartz]

personally i either play full aoe colossus

or blunt instrument slayer

[wary raft]

colossus feels good

[strange perch]

bro wtf is ur problem ?

im asking a question, if you dont want to help me just scroll it down, u're not supposed to be a dick

[neon niche]

well I told u that mbg is the best build and u shouldnt pick wb at all times
Im helping 👍

[plain hollow]

yoyo do you guys hold skullsplitter for sweeping strikes in MT or do you send skullsplitter on cd?

[neon niche]

skullsplitter is not a prio
Unless its exec phase on st

but answering ur question if u can fit a skullsplitter on aoe do it

[strange perch]

i don't even know what mbg is kekw

[wary raft]

merciless bonegrinder, bottom right below ravager/bs choice node

[strange perch]

ayy, thanks sir

[plain hollow]

oh okey thx!

[neon niche]

merciless bone grinder

[strange perch]

ye figured it out, thanks

[ebon garden]

hello guys, can anybody help do one things on plater ?

i just to make rend debuff icone on nameplate looks different , how can i do that ?

[wary raft]

look different how

[ebon garden]

like being a little bit bigger thant the others ?

so i track them easily

i dont like weak aura list of debuff, i want it onto the plate

[fast plover]

So how hard is arms compared to fury? About to swap

Well anything is harder than fury but still

[wary raft]

I think if you want to change how a specific debuff looks, you go into the "buff special" tab and you create it as a special aura then adjust it there. though im not 100% certain

[ebon hollow]

does demolish do more dmg with SS active or does it not work?

[livid cloak]

First 2 hits will cleave with ss

[plush belfry]

not much harder tbh. spiciest it gets is demo

[livid cloak]

Last hit always cleaves

[ebon hollow]

so its worth it to press ss for demolish?

[livid cloak]

Depends on how many targets, what their hp is, what pack is next. It's a dynamic situation

Don't overthink ss pairing with demolish

First 2 hits are much smaller than the 3rd anyway, that automatically cleavss

[shy dagger]

Sorry guys, i got 4t, does it change anything on the rotation priority?

couldnt find anything about it on wowhead

[livid cloak]

Execute phase on st, it's in the wowhead rotation

[neon niche]

comparing to spamming one hotkey (raging blow)? its a bit more difficult yeah
but its very easy and less painful on ur wrist and hands

[shy dagger]

oh i just saw it, lethal blow is the name of the tier effect, i was thinking it was one of the talents or something

[nova sequoia]

Is haste really best stat? guides still say crit over everything

[livid cloak]

Use simcraft to Sim your available gear

Each character profile is different

Arms likes all stats

[neon niche]

best stat is simulation

[simple grove]

Hey folks did you put any specific embellisment on your 2hander (crafted)?

[quasi torrent]

DM Sigil ascension yes

[simple grove]

Thank you

[fast plover]

thanks man

[fast plover]

would you say the wowhead guide is good enough to take as gospel for arms?

[river ridge]

Its the same person who writes our sims, and has been for years. So pretty safe bet.

[tacit crystal]

you can also use maxroll

[neon niche]

#dps-faq
if u keep rend up and mortal strike when its available u will be fine and I'm not even exagerating. The learning curve is very quick.
The depth comes from understanding ur talents, which for an example, a lot of people on this channel are clueless. But its nothing like arcane mage.
And I dont think Ive seen an video about talents and procs. They only talk about 'default' prio on rotation but if u follow that, again, u will be just fine.

Best way of really understading the class is reading archi articles and he explains it very well

[cyan wraith]

any good vids to learn arms

[sinful kraken]

so in aoe you just send cleave and mortal strike on cd so you don't bother stacking for extra dmg?

[arctic hearth]

Afaik yes, OP when low rage/cant exe and ms is on cd

[ionic latch]

is it worth taking WB in M+ or nah

[plush belfry]

up to you. most people run BI cos the ST gain outweighs the AoE loss. maybe not for overall but in generasl

general

general rec is to run BI due to the ST/haste

[neon niche]

Multi target:
Sweeping strikes and merciless bone grinder
Cleave on cd > ms on cd / fillers
Ms > cleave on prio targets

Off ss and off mbg
Cleave > op stacks / Ms as filler w/o consuming op stacks

[manic stirrup]

as slayer? no. as colossus? maybe, it depends on your other talents and how much st damage you can sacrificr

[native dawn]

Culling Cyclone v Brutal Finish - should I ever take cyclone in ST fights?

[boreal quartz]

cyclone is better in st

[sinful kraken]

ty when op gets reset does it take prio over cleave/ms because of opportunist?

[native dawn]

Should I ever take brutal finish then? Lol

[boreal quartz]

dont think you do in pve

[nova marsh]

Brutal finish is trash

Just like fierece followthrough is trash

[elfin violet]

this M+ build kinda does the same dmg as the sks one but feels much better for me btw

[warped ether]

Gonna give it a try later on

I khow sks is really good

But man it’s so shity in the rotation

[quartz gate]

kinda funny looking at top slayer parses vs top colossus parses - ofc no one who is minmaxing is playing colossus

but still funny seeing 1.385m vs 1.051m

[elfin violet]

there is a bit rng but when u get reset city its great, plus the rage gained by battlelord is actually very big

[boreal quartz]

key pareses are a meme

most ppl dont log keys

[quartz gate]

i was on about raid lol

[boreal quartz]

well its not abt minmax in raid

colo is just way worse

so no one thats good will play it

10% dps gap in sims is not outplayable with slayer being the more passive option

[quartz gate]

yes, funny how much worse.. it could be buffed significantly still but they're just extremely lazy

[silk spade]

no

let colossus be bad

please

[boreal quartz]

well colo was supposed to be ms/cleave spec playing blord and eb n shit

and slayer the execute man

but they target nerfed ms

[astral talon]

ngl

i dont want to play colo

i dont have enough comfortable binds for demolish xD

[boreal quartz]

fyralath keybind

so shift 4 for me

[fast plover]

actually true, it even feels as bad as fyralath

gonna do that too

[vale gorge]

I don't get why dev are so much focus on nerfing warrior every 2 day meanwhile ret paladin are super sonic rushing the mm+ with 0 downtime, 30 sec cd burst, a lot of utility ( healing, blessing, etc) while having hunter's range.

[astral talon]

dbts

[boreal quartz]

shift 5

[manic stirrup]

colossus shift c

[manic stirrup]

warrior and ret are both very good

[astral talon]

fear

[boreal quartz]

shift G

[astral talon]

reflect

[fast plover]

Is there any point in using rend by itself even in ST?

asking since tclap applies it

[mortal rivet]

When you don’t have TC

[fast plover]

Got it, thanks man

[vale gorge]

A bit more damage in ST

[mortal rivet]

If you’re looking to truly truly optimize your also use it in ST over TC if you had both but that’s less than the margin of error of a sim

[zenith crystal]

Arms Should’ve had Thane, Fury should have had Colossus.

[runic pagoda]

colo is really fun in m+

And by fun i mean ive only died to being forced to stand still like 3 times so far

[fast plover]

So how much of a meme is colossus in keys? As much as MT is for fury or?

Felt pretty good but not sure if i'm trolling by not going slayer tbh

[shadow ibex]

It's ST is cringe

[pearl nymph]

i dont get it why they nerf warbreaker make no sense

[manic stirrup]

u can leap for a microadjustment

[manic stirrup]

its better than thane fury in keys

[edgy solstice]

bring back mortal combo

[sinful kraken]

If you have 2 stacks of op and it's recently reset by tactician do you prio op over ms/cleave ever?

[nova marsh]

Guys

Why does necrotic wake suck

[tropic eagle]

I actually love NW this season and I cant explain why

Probably my most chill choice in M+

[nova marsh]

I can't stand this place

[boreal quartz]

real

[nova marsh]

Necro wake just fails cuz people are so stupid on second and third bosses

[icy mulch]

They really need to rethink how demolish works. If it was like the Cataclysm slam cast. That would fine.

[crisp crane]

that got removed in tww right?

[nova marsh]

That was a bfa thing I'm pretty sure

oh

[boreal quartz]

this is the s3 sl tier set

[crisp crane]

ah i see

[boreal quartz]

@halcyon breach

[crisp crane]

yeah wondered do we still have increased overpower dmg proccs / buffs .. only slayer opportunist is left or?

[halcyon breach]

Pile On

[nova marsh]

Only really opportunist

[worldly kernel]

3rd boss

that entire area just sucks

[nova marsh]

Big true

[worldly kernel]

theres just dangerous pulls in the whole dungeon but the abom area really sucks

[dire hinge]

getting the bnet services restarting and lagging out the hook-target for 2sec and basically bricking the key really killed my love for that place

[worldly kernel]

the one really BIG thing that really made me never wanna go there was the first week mechanic with the orbs got hooked by the boss

[dire hinge]

great dungeon, but small windows of brief personal responsibility just makes it a touch unstable

[worldly kernel]

pretty sure it was since changed but we were doing a 10 for completion and every time we got the mechanic a hook was going out

[dire hinge]

yuppp just hard stops your ability to kill the boss

[worldly kernel]

other than that it is a GREAT dungeon for you to have CD's on pretty much almost every pull

[nova marsh]

I love when tanks yell at me when they...just the ranged mobs stay out in naria

Like what's better at that point: blowing evreything to finish the pack or being an interrupt bot for the mob that the tank cant be assed to pull the rest of the pack to

[worldly kernel]

i mean you have a couple of stops for ranged if you're the last resort but you never touched ranged mobs unless its like life or death for someone

imo

[nova marsh]

that's what I went with

tank thought I was wrong and I went "dude can you just pull the pack to the collector?"

[worldly kernel]

honestly for pugs this is probably one of the worst seasons, I feel like the general skill level of people went really down but theres a lot of factors to that maybe I just have bad luck lol

i've only been playing arms in my push group and prot in pugs

im at the mercy of whoever i'm in a pug with, if I tank I have shitty dps, if I dps I have a shitty tank

[nova marsh]

yeah it's awful