arms

[soft dew]

Arms is pretty good, fury is still better in "low" keys

[plucky fern]

initial damage of roar doesnt matter, and dot part will dynamically update when you use colossus strike

so yes you roar first

to maximize damage

[vital zinc]

ok cool ty

[plucky fern]

yeah when stuff dies intantly fury is the best spec

maybe second best to ret

idk those pink andy's can just blow a pack in a gcd

and then do no damage for a minute

[edgy solstice]

fury also just does way more big pack aoe burst and that will gain value as tanks are more confidently double pulling

[umbral ether]

Hey maybe if I go arms I won’t have to get my head slammed into the concrete until my tank regets aggro only to float to third DPS

[plucky fern]

fury's sustained aoe is shit tho, after you blow your cooldown you are just attacking 4 targets

so not really true

[soft dew]

A minute? wings are on a 30 sec cooldown they never have any downtime (almost)

[edgy solstice]

yeah but that's the nature of high end keys. you big pull and then small pull when cds are down

[plucky fern]

well i dont know shit about ret so i said a number randomly

dont know their timings

i just know that when im with ret in a party they usually spike hard, then next pack they are tank damage

[soft dew]

I feel like ret is in a pretty good spot being one of the most played spec

[plucky fern]

then 3rd pack burst again

[umbral ether]

I feel like that’s us and ret does 2 -3 mill a pack no matter what

[edgy solstice]

colo sustains pretty well

[plucky fern]

if you are talking about fury yes, but arms kinda has something for each pack

[edgy solstice]

but so should ret

[plucky fern]

our sustained damage is good

and cooldowns are pretty low

i have demolish stacked on every single pack almost

[umbral ether]

I’m gonna try out arms in some 5 or 6 keys tomorrow and then try a 7 and see how it goes

Need some crit rings

[plucky fern]

maybe just variance and i saw bad players

idk

i rarely pug, mostly playing in a group for m+

[modest carbon]

Depends a bit on your comp honestly. I played a comp in SL where everyone were of the "sustained" variant. We just chain pulled endlessly instead. HoA first pull to first boss we basically played as one pull, not all at once, but you never left combat.

We got to 0,1% titles that way, so the "baby pull into omega bronto pull" is not the only way to do it.

[arctic hearth]

When packs last 2x demo its nice

Im @ 5-6 keys, going to push a bit today, shit just dies too quick for colo

[soft dew]

Looks like blizz wants people to go the "pull small and steady" route anyway

[balmy kindle]

Alot of their damage is wings window and divine storm

[sharp wyvern]

wings are up every 30s tho

no way they dont have it for every pack

[balmy kindle]

Iirc wake of ashes gives them wings now too, it's mostly in aoe divine storm is padding crazy now based on what I see

ST actually kind of ok ? But it's nothing spectacular

[clear frigate]

Divine storm, dawnlight, and suns avatar

The big 3

Dawnlight was nerfed by 15% BTW

[balmy kindle]

Uhmm dawnlight is alot of damage lol, kind of funny how herald the support hero talent does more damage than templar

[steep osprey]

It’s not support really

[fossil mantle]

I think the support spec is lightsmith not herald. Also I just checked the notes again and noticed rets are getting a 6 percent buff and they already one of the top dps specs in M+

[balmy kindle]

Fuck me lol. But idk how they are getting 6% too but it's PTR

If they get 6% they will likely be the new fury warriors

[fossil mantle]

fury werent even the best spec in keys, the raid just made them look better than they are. the 1st nerfs were enough frankly.

[balmy kindle]

I main arms and I am quite perplexed why they feel justified to nerf fury just because it's good at handling add spawns

[fossil mantle]

Retris are legitametly one of the best specs in keys and have been for a long time (for a melee). Why are they always put in low b or c tier is beyond me, I honestly feel there is a conspiracy going on.

Like, before season 1 started put used to say their ST is bad and need buffs. Raids released and turns out, they had the 5th or 6th best ST

[balmy kindle]

Not a pro, but it's maybe because ST damage is kind of eh since crusade is not a thing anymore

But realistically rets eh damage like you said is still kind of top

[fossil mantle]

It is, I mean just look at the DF4 chart even. Obviously it is skewed since we had a 2h legendary but none the less

and that is just dps, lets not start talking about all the utility they have + a cr. Warrior has checks notes rallying cry I guess

[balmy kindle]

Previously Ret had the wheelchair moniker but I heard it's mostly fixed

[fossil mantle]

eh, they nowhere close to warr but better than dk by a mile

[umbral ether]

You got to be fucking kidding me ret is getting buffed?

[fossil mantle]

Yup, I didnt really notice it last night cuz I was fuming about the nerfs but I saw it today. 6 percent aura buff.

[balmy kindle]

But it's PTR

[fossil mantle]

[balmy kindle]

I don't think it's gonna go through

[umbral ether]

It’s like the devs aren’t balancing, it’s just a huge war between them and the ret dev just bodied the warrior one

[fossil mantle]

I think Arms probably has a number of dead talents being reworked, they just still cooking so they are ready for .0.5.

[fossil mantle]

probably whoever is left to the other teams gets tasked to do some warrior changes before they leave for the day.

thats why they couldnt even get warbreaker's name right

[boreal quartz]

Last expac out 10.0.5 patch was incredible

Maybe we can get it again

[balmy kindle]

Who knows maybe it's intern-kun

[gusty oxide]

And Ret can do most of its rotation at a moderate range

making dodging melee bad things even less of a punishement

[balmy kindle]

Would argue they do have to get quite close for divine storms though, but it's doing so much damage now

[gusty oxide]

Divine storm focus in tww did change that a bit, true

[fossil mantle]

you still got judgement, blade of justice, final verdict, execution sentence, divine toll

all of them have more range than regular melee abilities

[balmy kindle]

Mostly ST abilities though but that's their class fantasy

We only have big sword or axe

[gusty oxide]

And next patch their giga bonk build will be even better

At least as arms we still have a really competitive ST damage profile, very good in ...ehm...in that...ehm....

https://tenor.com/view/baylan-skoll-looking-up-ray-stevenson-star-wars-ahsoka-gif-10683787915883515214

[fossil mantle]

Fully decked out in ST damage talents, our damage is quite solid. Dare you go for a fully AOE build tho, thats another story.

[gusty oxide]

There's only one ST fight in that whole season

it's princess

[boreal quartz]

Sikran

[gusty oxide]

While true in normal and HM

MM is a whole different story

i don't get why we're topping sikran in HM, and behind on the lowest 7 in MM

[boreal quartz]

Not many have played mythic

• HC has short kills from boost

[edgy solstice]

Every fight is ST fight

Fuck brood tho

[tidal vault]

How is arms performing in dungeons?

[vagrant heron]

any idea why some arms warrior in raider io are running different hero talents?

[thick kelp]

because they want to?

[plucky compass]

there is barely any representation of arms either

5% fury and .7% arms for all classes

[atomic mountain]

i run a ST build cause you have alot of aoe in other classes. pretty happy with this cuase you can carry at bosses

[tidal vault]

Suppose it’s beneficial when you make up for it in boss scenarios

[arctic hearth]

Meanwhile my hunter snd mage friends are gigapumping aoe and bosses🙃

We get to decide if we want to compete in 1 of them IF we even get invited

[slender sonnet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qjjBDLSoo73Jkmzz5Rh8oA

using different colour gems for the meta isn't worth it I guess

xd

[plush hill]

I think coz you doing it not right

Like I see you using 1 vers haste, else haste + stat

[slender sonnet]

I have these selected with replace existing gems/enchants

unless I select this

lets see what it comes up with

these fucking gems are way too confusing

it doesn't sim combinations

huh

why is raidbots stupid

Not that this really matters I'm not paying like 8k per gem unless it's like a 20k+ dps increase

[plush hill]

Yeah

[plush hill]

No, but it still + dps:)

[slender sonnet]

if I need to pay a load of gold for a tiny gain

it's not worth

[hollow dawn]

Arms are good for pushing a m+?

[slender sonnet]

(he says having just spent like 80k recrafting boots and wep to crit/haste)

[outer holly]

bro 8% run speed is an incalculable DPS gain

[slender sonnet]

R E A L

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qw5ytKhHspnrzzAp2Kjowp

lmao not even a gain to stack different colours

goddamnit

[thick kelp]

sim in colossus and ur sims wont want haste

[strong shoal]

Just a quick question for you pros: is better to have one 619 ilvl weapon(arms) or a 619 and a 606 weapon (fury)? What would be better In the short run?

[slender sonnet]

play which spec you prfer

[slender sonnet]

fuck colossus

[thick kelp]

no

[slender sonnet]

I might try it

xd

[plucky compass]

demo touches ppl in pvp

non consenstually

[slender sonnet]

colossus arms touches itself at night

[plucky compass]

selfcare is important

[slender sonnet]

send me the letters

[thick kelp]

CcEAmidFBOBFf5oKuZ7r/WeW7AYYmZmZMjZmNbLLjZAAAAYw0wMDLDzAjlxMzgZGGz4BYGGAAAAAAAMjZbMGgtAgNzYYBGYGtRDgF

[brisk sedge]

Wait dreadnaught isnt worth in keys ?

[thick kelp]

I dont see it as colossus

I like more ST since colossus lacks it

[brisk sedge]

I see. Thanks

[echo shard]

arms is best single!

[neon niche]

Arms is best married!

[plucky fern]

idk i was hyped about speed as well, replaced crit one for ms and then run keys for a day and im not sure if i ever felt the diffrence

so might be a bait

crim get is still like 6-7k dps gain and its not conditional like movespeed

[midnight mural]

does it actually do dam in keys? i really want arms to work in keys - it feels awful to play with skullsplitter

[thick kelp]

this dont have skullsplitter

[midnight mural]

i know - thats why i was curious

[plucky fern]

EP but no massacre?

[thick kelp]

ep does more than massacre

[plucky fern]

SD => massacre and its a good build imo
colossus doesnt run much haste so sd is proccing like once a minute

[midnight mural]

thunderclap > roar > ravager > avatar > warbreaker > siegebreaker?

[thick kelp]

massacre to ragestarve myself faster xdd

[midnight mural]

5 globals before dam 😄 or i could be wrong, justguessing opener

[thick kelp]

smh like that yeah

Sweep too there before warbreaker

[midnight mural]

oh , does WB sweep as well?

i mean SB

siegebreaker..

[plucky compass]

Would you do EB over skullsplitter?

[plucky fern]

even if you hate massacre sks is still way more value than sd

sd is just a dead talent in colossus

[thick kelp]

Yeah sks is more value but I dont like sks

[plucky fern]

i'd honestly even pick 1/2 CT instead of sd because crit is king

[daring heron]

arms setup globals feel so bad

[outer holly]

Normally any flat % gain is a separate calculation from your tertiaries and stacks multiplicatively, so the more speed you have, the more you'll notice.

[plucky fern]

i was running 20% passive speed

all enchants gem +5% talent

yeah im running faster from graveyard but thats about it

[outer holly]

Yes, now start stacking your tertiaries

z o o m

[plucky fern]

and yeah obviously the most op stuff you can slightly move in demolish with 20% speed

[midnight mural]

the smallies (u know..) dies before our burst hits 😄

[plucky fern]

if you want to go full aoe mode maybe

EB doesnt do shit for st its aoe only talent

but colossus needs st talents way more than aoe

[plucky compass]

so the talent calc for wowhead is accurate as far as the disco is concerned?

[plucky fern]

which talent calc

you mean m+ build in guide?

[midnight mural]

gonna try a 10 mist as colossus

maybe it fucks

[plucky compass]

yea

[plucky fern]

nah wouldnt recommend wowhead build

[midnight mural]

Mark of Khardros or ...

[midnight mural]

Transmitter

[plucky fern]

its still running blademasters torment

if you swap torment for uproar and dreadnaught for SoA then yeah its fine

[fresh spire]

Normalise bladestorm between spexs

So it actually works as a burst button for arms not just a dot application in comparison

[daring heron]

fury bladestorm too strong, better nerf arms bladestorm too

[midnight mural]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[daring heron]

fury thunderous roar too strong, better nerf arms roar too

[fresh spire]

Best nerf it 10% as its same spell id

And prot!

[midnight mural]

i played some arms in raid yesterday... aaaxxually felt nice

[plucky fern]

good thing is arms doesnt have odyns

so we will not have to suffer for fury sins

[midnight mural]

i played like dogshit, but it was good

[fresh spire]

Poor prot needed all the reasons ir could to roar over spear as it was

Arms isn't so bad

[lament cape]

Fury to strong on irrelevant raid bloat-adds, better nerf warrior across the board

[fresh spire]

Just need 3 weakauras to optimally play

[midnight mural]

3?

[boreal quartz]

This happened to me as well very unfortunate

[plucky compass]

@plucky fern which torment? drop the 45 second uproar?

[boreal quartz]

Non delay tier

[fresh spire]

One for tier. One for sudden death. One for overpower opportunist

[midnight mural]

i think i overdosed ong Kong Stronk

[boreal quartz]

Non delay opport

[plucky fern]

wowhead build runs this talent which is bad

pick uproar instead

[plucky compass]

ahh i already did that i thought you were lookking at my pic?

[plucky fern]

no i was looking at wowhead build, didnt see picture

[boreal quartz]

Zero sugar

....

[midnight mural]

u rly need those though?

[plucky compass]

one against many feels like shit

[boreal quartz]

Ur better than this

[plucky compass]

the witches brew alanis are amazing

[midnight mural]

bru on one of those its like .... 115gr sugar

[boreal quartz]

Need true overdose

[midnight mural]

nice

[plucky fern]

bleed stuff is very minor dps increase

[plucky compass]

ok

[plucky fern]

one againt many gives a lot in aoe

so for overall dps in key its way better

[fresh spire]

Tier one not so much

[plucky compass]

honestly just doing delves on speed runs i never get groups as arms always tanking keys

[paper dove]

is there a specific reason, Blizzard doesnt give a fck about Colossus?

[boreal quartz]

It works fine in aoe

Tbf

[paper dove]

in AOE it does yeah

but you are actively greefing, playing Colossus in M+ on higher keys, because you will be last on Boss Damage by a big number

[boreal quartz]

I mean you can swap based on key and tbh

Keys like nw or sob

You can port out go raid build for last 2

Which is nice

[plucky fern]

are you so sure about that

[boreal quartz]

Or even cof

Anything with back to back bosses

Or hard as shit last boss

[austere solar]

You mean Colosucks ?

[paper dove]

you can just sim it

you either go full Single Target as Colossus, and do okayish ST damage. and have absolutely no AOE. or you go an Hybrid M+ build, where your AOE is fine but you will do very bad Boss dps

[paper dove]

apparently

[paper dove]

that doesnt seem like a solution

[plucky fern]

i already did and im playing colossus in keys everyday, its not that bad with correct build
yeah slayer does more ST, but also slayer does like 30% less aoe damage and your overall just sucks, on top of that you are just dying as slayer because 0 survivability in hero talents

[boreal quartz]

It is optimal to play diff things based on key

Lmao

Dont need to be colo in GB

[plucky fern]

its actually the opposite, you are griefing if you are playing slayer arms in 10th

[boreal quartz]

Not griefing

But it's defo harder

[paper dove]

i am totally fine with Slayer in overall damage.

[fresh spire]

It was fine until it was nerfed

[boreal quartz]

Slayer feels so dogshit in keys

[fresh spire]

Single nerf singlehandedly buried colossus while reviving slayer

[paper dove]

i'm just saying swapping Talents mid dungeon is goofy

[fresh spire]

Colossus still fun in keys

[paper dove]

what build do you play

[boreal quartz]

6 second zdps bs

[boreal quartz]

It is optimal at some point

Other specs also do it

[plucky fern]

second wind instead of IP in hero talents

tested ip forgot to swap back

[paper dove]

I'ma sim and compare in ST and AOE

[plucky fern]

sure, also dont forget that stats are very different for both builds

colossus wants a lot of crit

and haste is almost lowest

so if you sim with your slayer gear and like 30% haste 20% crit its not going to look good

but probably still gonna sim higher in aoe idk

[boreal quartz]

You arent going to unravel a mystery with aoe sims

Keys arent sims and at some point preference and experience matters more

[paper dove]

i know that, but sims do give you a picture of what you can expect. I've played enough Slayer and Colossus(at the beginning) to take my clues

[paper dove]

i wonder why you have selected No Stranger to Pain in Colossus Tree when you didnt skill Ignore pain?

[plucky fern]

yeah as i said i forgot to swap back talent in hero tree

ran like 2 keys with IP, didnt feel like 500k shield is worth the rage

swapped back to violence

[paper dove]

ah alright. yeah IP is kinda meh, can be good i guess but it also doesnt feel very good spending your rage on defensives

[plucky fern]

im still gonna run IP in siege of boralus

[plucky compass]

is dropping the point in bloodborne worth the massacre?

[plucky fern]

because i dont know how else to survive this trash in 10+ keys

i died too many times on packs with hooks and its always like 5million damage within 0.5 seconds

[boreal quartz]

IP is not good

It absorbs for jack shit

[plucky fern]

debatable, some people here dislike massacre, i think its worth it

each execute is 1 stack of demolish which is cdr

and with ss up its 2 stacks and i want to start executing as fast as possible

to get demolish back up

mostly for that

thats is how i have demolish up for every pack

[boreal quartz]

Mass is good for colo

Cdr gaming

[midnight mural]

hmmm.. got gapped by a enhancement shaman with 10 less ilevels than me as colossus.. i might play it suboptimal but lol, it feels like fucking ass when u press ur big "DAM" cd, and nothing rly happens...

its nice if it crits but if not then its just meh.. cleave do more dmg

[plucky compass]

@plucky fern would it be better to take the point from deft experience? that feels less impactful

[plucky fern]

tier set revolves around tactitian procs so no

without tier probably worth

with tier no

[plucky compass]

Merciless Bonegrinder?

[scarlet spade]

so. i have 4 tier, then which talent using now?

[plucky fern]

then you play 2/2 deft in any colossus build

simple as that

it doesnt affect any other talent choices

dont know if slayer cares about it, i gave up on slayer like a week ago when i discovered that colossus actually slaps in keys

[plucky fern]

mbg will still give you more aoe dps than 1 point in bloodborne, and for ST bloodborne does close to nothing

so idk

dont overvalue bloodborne too much, especially if you are not playing sks

[plucky compass]

👍

[plucky fern]

if you really need some more single target for some key, like necrotic wake maybe on tyrannical, you can drop mbg and bloodborne for 2/2 critical thinking but thats the only talent change i would do

[boreal quartz]

Or go slayer with jugg

[plucky fern]

or this yeah

i actually did go slayer jugg once for that key because we just couldnt do the third boss

[gentle magnet]

looks like i have to learn arms..

any help?

[daring flicker]

Mortal strike

[gentle magnet]

thx

[boreal quartz]

Maxroll guide

[gentle magnet]

@boreal quartz what is that?

[boreal quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965371616269848578/1288204591954919485/makesweet-aclwi6.gif

[daring flicker]

Google maxroll Arms

Profit

[gentle magnet]

thx

[paper dove]

any +10 and above Colossus Vod's from any streamer or such?

[plucky compass]

i switched to slayer pvp but im prob going back to Demo i miss 100% to 0 ppl

[manic river]

Oh you drop the avatar having SS for better roar

[plucky fern]

blademasters torment is a bait

[manic river]

You think?

[plucky fern]

well it might be better after roar target cap nerf

but at the moment uproar outperforms it in every scenario

[manic river]

Blue axe is always better than red axe

[manic river]

True

[plucky fern]

i think torment might sim better for some gear sets but just dont

you need perfect execution of this talent to be worth it, and even then you gain 0 single target

[manic river]

Does slayer benefits from having haste > crit? in the guides they say to put crit first on both but maybe they need some updating

[plucky fern]

slayer wants haste more because its dependent on procs which are hasted

so yeah slayer stacks haste above all other stats

[manic river]

Ah, thank you for the info

I'm starting to play colossus more now, not being as effective for now but I need more practice

The guides may need some updating soon then

But well. we have the 20th patch coming

[plucky fern]

yeah colossus arms is definetly the hardest warrior spec, a lot of buttons to press and getting used to demolish takes time

[fossil mantle]

i wouldnt be too worried if you have a lot of crit as slayer tho. It has 2 hero talents that prioritise crit namely opportunist and whatever the execute one is.

[manic river]

With the 20% damage buff to Demo first hits we could make it so good if Blizz finally decides to change how it functions

[fossil mantle]

Colossus is much worse in ST, in MT i think the diff is small and its up to personal preference

[plucky fern]

idk slayer without haste is uplayable

i ran a slayer key with my colossus gearset which has 12% haste

it was horrible

[fossil mantle]

Oh 12 haste is quite low yea. Kinda annoying then that we need 2 different stats for the hero specs.

[paper dove]

Desper i recommend you using Ravager instead of BM in your build

[plucky fern]

ravager slayer?

[paper dove]

Colossus

[plucky fern]

i am using ravager in colossus

dont understand what you are talking about bro

[paper dove]

LMAO my bad

i didnt swap it out myself

actually the sims look pretty good

wasn't expecting it

[kind stag]

i just use haste>crit on both hero talents it works fine

[paper dove]

2 weeks ago Colossus simmed thousand % worse than my slayer but your build actually kinda rocks

[plucky fern]

colo got buffed this week

[paper dove]

i use them equally at it works fine too

[paper dove]

huh?

[plucky fern]

demolish first two hits buffed by 20% and mountain of muscle and scars is now 5% dam instead of 4%

or was it last reset i dont remember

recent buffs

[paper dove]

yeah I've seen it, didnt think it would make that much of an impact

[plucky fern]

its not much but its something, also we probably just underestimate colossus at start of exp

it really shines with crit

i have 33% unbuffed rn and feels so much different

[neon niche]

skullsplitter is low prio
turns into high prio on exec phase

[tropic eagle]

This guy is coping hard

[neon niche]

just git gud read a book touch grass

[tropic eagle]

Its not that good. Yes its better the higher the key but it sucks ass in ST compared to slayer

[kind stag]

is there ever a reason to drop Sks? its nice dam on both hero talents

[tropic eagle]

In M+ play what youve more fun with sure, they are very close

Id never run colossus in a raid tho and I love the shit out of that spec so

[plucky fern]

well obviously you never play colo in raid

i never said that

everything im saying about colossus is centered around m+

[paper dove]

EB is behind in ST right?

[paper dove]

thats the spirit

[plucky fern]

eb gives close to 0 dps in st

because unbuffed ms is a wet noodle

resetting it doesnt do anything

[paper dove]

i really dislike wet noodles

[tacit crystal]

what would this page be? -1 point in bleed for cleave but raid build?

[plucky fern]

theres a jugg slayer m+ build in wowhead and its pretty accurate

[safe comet]

You can have proc chains where MS resets AND you get an overpower reset which would then buff the next MS, and then ms can reset itself again, and you can another overpower proc etc.

But it’s not anywhere consistent enough to be worth it

[paper dove]

@plucky fern can you send me your characterlink?

[plucky fern]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/howling-fjord/крысандер
my gear is still pretty dogshit tho

cant see a single trinket drop

[paper dove]

i got 614 ilvl too tho

[plucky fern]

[paper dove]

i got skamarog at least

i just realised, i think Colossus scales way better with the 4p than slayer

[plucky fern]

im running 2-3 arakaras and stonevaults a day, almost everyone in my group got sacbrood already

sadge

today for sure it drops

[paper dove]

safe call

just pray to odyn

[manic river]

Is it already in?

[paper dove]

i really like your rings, damn

[plucky fern]

yeah, tooltip in game says 5%

[plucky fern]

yeah at least i got them

[manic river]

Would you recommend always using just with 2 charges as much as you can?

[manic river]

Nice

[plucky fern]

depends if in execute or not, pre execute you still send it on CD, just not worth to pick talents that reset ms

[paper dove]

i think 1 charge always (except OP is on cd), and 2 only if MS is still on cd

[manic river]

Yeah I was thinking like that

[plucky fern]

in execute yeah you want max stacks of everything, i usually 2exe2op1ms

[manic river]

I just need one more tier piece

[plucky fern]

tier set is not really worth tracking it will not change rotation much

its worth it in slayer ST tho

you only press MS in execute with max stacks or to refresh rend

as slayer

[manic river]

I'm in a raid group after all so it does interest me

[safe comet]

Roar nerf makes me sad

[manic river]

Yeah we talked a bit yesterday about it

They don't want to let us have some uncapped aoe

[wanton sierra]

odyn fury nerfed?? wooo

[manic river]

Furiously crying

[wanton sierra]

an fury friend showed this to me

but... warbringer isnt an PVP talent?

that we would charge and proc an shockwave or something, that would root ppl up

[manic river]

Yeah they had a typo

They don't know Arms skills

They just think about fury

[safe comet]

Meanwhile ret presses wake every 30 secs and spams divine storm, doing double the aoe dps of a war

[manic river]

I just don't understand the WB nerf is so stupid, it was not a priority to change and it just looks lime something so the devs can say "see, we also nerfed arms, don't cry"

[manic river]

Yeah ret is stupid and they don't nerf it

[wanton sierra]

damn they typed wrong our warbreaker?

[kind stag]

WB nerf is irrelevant its just an aoe debuff

[manic river]

Sure, but still stupid

[wanton sierra]

let themm nerf, we are on blunt instruments now

[manic river]

"it just looks lime something so the devs can say "see, we also nerfed arms, don't cry""

[safe comet]

They just got a 6% buff

In those same patch notes

[wanton sierra]

xDD and still wb dam is like, zero anyways

[manic river]

The devs understand a lot how classes go on the field huh

[wanton sierra]

i aways get lost tryin to find them, can u share plz?

[manic river]

WIth the last changes we will have to see if Colo gets more on lvl with slayer (in m+)

[plucky fern]

warbringer nerf is nothing, it doesnt deal damage inself anyway and debuff is still going to be on every single mob

[manic river]

I don't know how the devs could make Colo work better for single tho

[safe comet]

Colo has felt better this week in M+ due to normal mobs having 40-50% more hp in 4-6 keys

[plucky fern]

and anyway we play blunt in all builds

[manic river]

Is it really that much worth it to just put the debuff on two guys?

[plucky fern]

we run blunt because it gives longer duration on in for the kill

and also its much better st which is lacking

[neon niche]

if only people read guides or #dps-faq ...

[wary dune]

It’s 4pc buff useful to track? Or do you refresh rend before you eventually get 2xMP and 2xLB

[plucky fern]

sometimes useful

but rare

[dire hinge]

Very useful yes. It only lasts 12sec so you wanna know when it’s stacked up

You wanna use MS to refresh rend as well, but if it does hit the EP/LB stack max you want to also fire MS off

[wary dune]

Thanks so much! But do you wait for 2xMP stacks also? Which requires you to press OP in execute which Tbf I don’t press much of

I feel I get a lot of tact procs in execute but I’m never below 80 rage so just keep spamming execute. So getting 2 MP stacks in the time you have 2 LB in a 12 second window could be wasteful. Or I’m playing it wrong

[flat willow]

How are you never under 80 rage in exec phase

[dire hinge]

Two parts to that one:

• at the moment we don’t care about MP stacks, but I think there are some APL adjustments being tested where we might soon. I’ll look into this in a bit. But right now, during execute phase, we only care about 2EP+2LB, or if rend will fall off
• You should be pressing OP during execute yes, for Slayer you do it to spend your Opportunist buff, for Colossus you use it to mitigate rage spend

[wary dune]

When I run low I press skullsplitter also

[dire hinge]

Opportunist is a higher priority than execute, so if that’s going unused then you’re gonna see a dps increase

[wary dune]

Ahh I miss understood the wowhead rota section then. I thought it was only under 3 conditions, under 80, less than 2 MP and with opportunist

[wary dune]

Ahh yeah that makes sense. Okay neat.

[wary dune]

Decrease I assume

[dire hinge]

Increase if you start using it 😅

[paper dove]

@plucky fern just had a NW+9 with your build and was pretty fun

[manic river]

[paper dove]

got killed by the frost swirlies at last boss because Demolish doesnt let you move

skill issue tho i guess

[lethal acorn]

Gotta be careful when using demolish

I use Colossus in raid too so I get more practice

[remote ledge]

What about roar? Id love to stick to arms, Colo or slayer as long as it's arms

[paper dove]

annoying nerf tbh, but shouldnt be too much of a problem

[wary dune]

Ah yes 😂

[mild dagger]

Been playing Prot for M+ guild groups and Fury for raids for the first time. I miss Arms.

How's arms been in practice? Felt like on the dummies I spiked less but held near the same dps overall

[fresh spire]

Can confirm really the mp2 check is a fail over and realistically you can never get a 3rd stack (be in a situation where you press opportunist proc 3 times in row as you end up expending the set bonus before you would press itunless you have monster bad rng where tier bonus expires before 2nd proc

[plucky fern]

👍

[plucky fern]

roar nerf definetly will affect us but way less than it will affect fury

hard to tell without sims but i'd assume that blademasters might be better than uproar after nerf

[unreal shard]

Is arms still suffering with ST damage on the jugg m+ spec? Just picked arms back up as an alt so could very much be a skill issue for now, numbers are fine in my 8 keys on trash but ST is a bit dog

[manic river]

You can cancel it by using heroic leap for example, but obviously you loose the hit

[remote ledge]

Can't wait to see some chemical Chinese build

[paper dove]

ah good to know

[uncut burrow]

hey, can u bladestorm wrest to not get pulled on queen?

[fast nebula]

ye

[uncut burrow]

ty

[broken arrow]

Yes, my last run me and another warrior heroic leaped in the last second. That did NOT work

[fresh spire]

Sadly only time it's better in raw sims is 2 target

Even then its way too situational

[manic river]

Btw, something I didn't ask before, in colosus build for example cleave is first priority if you have the haste buff from Ravager AND SS, that's because the slams coming from fervour do clave right?

Also unginhed didn't work with SS anymore right? because I believe I saw something about having SS with BS still but I thought that didn't work anymore

[pale jungle]

correct, it does not

[manic river]

Nor for ravager I'm guessing, even if the MSs come from you

Thank you

[pale jungle]

doesn't work for bladestorm either

(neither one)

[latent moss]

cleave is always #1 prio

rotationally

[late tiger]

What do you think after the nerf not better choice champion's spear than Thunderous roar ?

[manic river]

Oh yes but in Icy Veins they put even higher than any CD with those conditions

[manic river]

Spear for arms!, madness (?)

[late tiger]

just for the crit bonus

[manic river]

JK, would be cool to actually have some use for more CD builds

[late tiger]

or maybe the Warlord's torment

[manic river]

I use it on Colosus

[mortal rivet]

Yeah that phase is absurd for melee

[cursive aspen]

Is blizz finally stopping us from being a bleed build by nerfing our bleeds to steer us to champions spear and big hits ? Not sure about you but I'm tired of arms being a bleed spec acting as if we are a feral Druid

[teal fossil]

Bleeds are a way to give us good aoe without too much st gain

[teal fossil]

Not really no

[cursive aspen]

Sure but it shouldn't be what makes or breaks arms

[teal fossil]

It doesn’t make or break arms

Deep wounds is entirely passive and rend is not invasive to rotation at all

[slender sonnet]

whut

[mortal rivet]

It’s supposed to be warbreaker but that’s also stupid because the damage legit does not matter

[tropic eagle]

Nobody plays WB cause its not worth, blizz: yooo lets nerf that cause nobody picks that

[thick kelp]

Demolish

[tropic eagle]

I hope they tweak colossus and it destroys in season 2 copium

[dire hinge]

🌈 🐬 ✨ Demolish crits ✨ 🐟 🌈

Unga, and I cannot stress this enough, bunga

[fossil mantle]

Peeps does anyone have a lethal blows weakaura?

[dire hinge]

you can copy any existing tracker aura and change the "Trigger" setting to look for a spell id of 455485

[dreamy spire]

Is it okay to cast Mad Queen's Mandate trinket on pull, and then start with out rotation?

[teal fossil]

Yes

That’s what you want to do

[plucky fern]

i've just hit a 16mil non-crit demolish on skarmorak

i love stonevault

removed shield in one gcd in 8 key

[balmy kindle]

for demolish on pull, do u stack it up first or just send it

[gentle magnet]

is colossus or slayer better for arms?

or slayer st and colossus M+ ?

[balmy kindle]

slayer for raid, colo is doing good in m+

[dire hinge]

both are fine in m+, but yeah slayer for raid

[manic stirrup]

colossus is good in m+

[manic stirrup]

do you have an individual weakaura to track 4pc?

[fiery pine]

What are the chances the nerfs won't go live lol

[manic stirrup]

i dont think they will go live without other changes

[shadow ibex]

Warbringer nerf

Vital

[nova marsh]

My bets are one more MS nerf

[midnight mural]

demolish lol - guessing it was first boss mists

[manic stirrup]

yuh

nice hit

[frosty basin]

are there any WA for the 4set?

[manic stirrup]

i need one as well

aui doesnt track for some reason

[boreal quartz]

Ngl im unsure if i wanna track it

Just full ignore and play 3 GCD ms on CD in exe

[manic stirrup]

i must be rank 1 kyveza

or i blow myself hp

up

[gentle magnet]

yo

when is optimal time to use temepered potion?

[dire hinge]

during your opener, second usage can be delayed a little bit for cooldown alignment in execute if needed

[gentle magnet]

thx

[dire hinge]

usually use it alongside Avatar/CS in your opener 👍

[cyan cosmos]

hey guys how much crit should i aim for

[fierce bobcat]

guys what authority is better for arms?

radiant or depths

[manic stirrup]

no set number sim your gear

[manic stirrup]

sim it, depths was higher for me last i checked

[narrow flax]

for 636 weap, you need to do 9's right?

[spiral summit]

question, whats the longest time i should hold colossus smash if avatar is coming up soon?

[subtle ravine]

Gilded Crests drop on 9s

[narrow flax]

i see

aight

[subtle ravine]

Sorry my b, Gilded

[velvet vessel]

guys our rotation in execute arms should be spam execute until we have Opportunist proc or 2 stacks of EP and LB?
do we let overpower stacks cap? or not?

[neat yoke]

If you let them cap you waste opportunist, don't you?

[velvet vessel]

I mean overpower stacks

not opportunist

[worldly kernel]

Tried colossus last night, didn’t feel too bad honestly

Don’t think I like it more than slayer though

[neat yoke]

Ah, yeah. I think those you ignore. Just don't ignore pressing OP itself

[unborn oak]

hello i got my hands on the purple egg trinket "Ovinaxs Mercurial Egg", what does the use effect actually do? Should i use it, and how do i know if the sim is calculating with the stationary or "while move" buff? thx in advance

[worldly kernel]

You need to be standing still to get the full effect which you’re never going to be sitting still on pretty much any fight, it’s a little bit of a bait trinket because there are so many other better options for raid and keys that don’t have some sort of gimmick

The secondary is nice though when you’re moving since you’re still maintaining some sort of useful stat but honestly sac brood and one of the mastery trinks are probably going to be better than trying to balance the egg

[zealous sphinx]

Whats the colossus build people running?

[gentle magnet]

quick question, wouldn't the wings of shattered sorrow be better than the crafted cape?

[quick edge]

Sim it

[gentle magnet]

i do not have the crafted cloak

[unborn oak]

^thx

[worldly kernel]

Trinket choice is just my opinion on ease of use someone might have a differing opinion on it but I just don’t like how it’s used

[nova marsh]

Can import it into top gear

Also I love to see a last boss of SoB done perfectly

Shame the key wasn't timed

[wraith cave]

Everyone still playing slayer or switched to collasus

[plush comet]

I main fury but was thinking about learning arms for single target fights is it worth it or not really?

[olive nest]

It’s 3 buttons you got it

💪

[plush comet]

xd

[plush comet]

Rend > mortal > overpower? What are the spenders? I feel like i keep wasting rage

[olive nest]

MS on cooldown OP whenever you don’t have MS and whenever you don’t have either of those Slam

Maintain rend

[dire hinge]

don't worry about rage capping on arms, it's not something we have any concern about in the APL whatsoever

[olive nest]

CS on CD

Avatar on CD

Roar on CD

BS on CD

Pretty chill spec

You’ll like it

[plush comet]

damn thats all?

[olive nest]

Yes

[plush comet]

im so used to spaming on fury

[olive nest]

It’s just as spammy

Just different ability names

[plush comet]

thank you!

[olive nest]

Execute changes things a little bit

The wowhead guide goes more into it than my yapping

[gentle magnet]

so no skullsplitter?

[dire hinge]

definitely still skullsplitter

[gentle magnet]

i did not see it there

[dire hinge]

as Brewjj mentioned, WoWhead's rotation section is your best friend for getting the actual one, versus trying to demonstrate a rotation here

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#rotation-2
Be sure to select the checkboxes above that match the build you're trying to use:

[gentle magnet]

yeah i see it

[astral talon]

is there a macro to throw meat to 1st boss?

on mythic

instnat pickup and throw?

[olive nest]

Yeah you keybind the extra action button and press it

[neon niche]

slackest of em slackers unreal

[astral talon]

smh

bro imtoo lazy for that

xD

[fresh spire]

[sleek remnant]

How's the void pactstone simming higher than sacbrood for me both ST and MT at the same ilvl? :/

[nova sequoia]

Guys, what is the target minimum when you should no matter what press cleave?

[teal fossil]

4

[nova sequoia]

Do you still press cleave during sweeping strikes? even with 4

[gentle magnet]

according to the hekili dude yea

[zealous sphinx]

Im lowkey mad about all those nerfs

[gentle magnet]

arms got nerfed too?

[inland granite]

Yes

dragon roar cap too

[worldly kernel]

Mostly affected In key performance plus like, 2 fights in raid but the damage fall off past 5 is pretty big in dungeons which I don’t understand why they would do that it makes no sense unless there’s some giant unrecognized power spike they’re trying to prevent

[thorn pelican]

softcapped but it still applies to everything

which is most of the damage anyways

[worldly kernel]

No I know but roar is pretty much the big part of your breakdown in a big pull followed by bladestorm, the warbreaker nerf also makes zero sense at all because the damage itself is peanuts compared to its actual use of the application

[nova marsh]

The only nerf that actually hurt us is the BS nerf

Okay and MS but if I mention that I'm gonn go off cuz I'm still pissed about it

[worldly kernel]

I mean fall off past 5 is pretty big considering the types of pulls you need to be doing in 10’s onward

[nova marsh]

yes but again...does that affect the dot?

[thorn pelican]

no

[nova marsh]

Then it's a p minor nerf

[worldly kernel]

I’m going to assume it is its entirety because it wasn’t specifically stated

[nova marsh]

Because it's not specfically stated I highly doubt it does

Also I can't think of any other dot that actually has damage fall off past x amount of targs

[worldly kernel]

If it’s only the initial and not the dot that’s nothing, if it is the dot that is a huge significant nerf

[nova marsh]

if it's the dot too arms basically dies in large aoe pulls

[vapid bay]

Wasnt the dot always uncapped

[thorn pelican]

i dont think dots are ever capped cuz it doesnt make any sense

it would have to like, check all the nearby enemies for dots

[nova marsh]

Yeah like no other dot actually has aoe fall off

It'd make no sense for roar to randomly become the first dot like that

also, that already happens

with dots like Flame Shock

[shadow ibex]

honestly the fact they soft capped TR on use dmg at 5 just shows how fuckin dumb they are

that they dont realize the majority of it is from the dot

some clown fuckin looked at TR doing a lot of aoe dmg and just ok reduce dmg past 5 targets there fixed

without knowing how the ability actually works

warbringer > blunt instruments

[teal fossil]

the dot will be soft capped too

[shadow ibex]

OH HELL NO

[teal fossil]

yep

[shadow ibex]

do they have the tech to even do that

[teal fossil]

its joever

[shadow ibex]

holy fuck

[teal fossil]

yeah they do

look crimson tempest

and spear

[shadow ibex]

aight we gotta stop these fuckin clowns

there aint no fuckin way

[thorn pelican]

🙋‍♂️

my b

aoe capping a dot is omega cringe though and ill die on that hill if true

[teal fossil]

its usually not common for dots to be capped

but unless blizzard is super r tard theyll cap it

they been capping a lot of dots lately

[jovial beacon]

Fury warrior here

Is it time to come back to big stick boy

[dire hinge]

do what you enjoy ¯_(ツ)_/¯

both good

[jovial beacon]

Fury channel dooming rn

[tropic eagle]

Arent they doing that every time tho

Felt like it this xpac, they still pumping

[devout pewter]

They're pumping 10% less, while still 5% ahead. Unacceptable!!!

[nova marsh]

So we're actually fucked

[grizzled mango]

im just a noob, but doin some M+ on my arms war, running this

shouldi be delaying cds to all line up? or just rip em.

I htink big burst is roar, avatar, breaker, bladestorm.

then on the next one, just send the next bladestorm and warbreaker and roar, hope that bladestorms becoming 45sish

[nova marsh]

WB is techincally an ST loss

But yeah just send evreything on CD so long as a pack isn't like....sub 50%

And yeah some builds just run CS instead and have blunt insturments. But like it really dosen't matter

[thick tartan]

Just Run jugger build for m+, i am pretty happy with IT for Higher keys

[wary sphinx]

trying to gear an off spec for my Prot War... what's the fastest way to get a decent 2h weapon? Farm m0's?

[thick tartan]

crafting i think 40k g and you get 619

[grizzled mango]

yeah, ill try it out, ive been playing around with different builds a lot recently, looking at top people in raiderio, and some yt guides and the stuff from here, seems theres a lot of flexible points

[devout pewter]

At that point you can just grind m+ for the weapon since you're instantly inside as tank anyways

Saves 40k

[wary sphinx]

that's what I'm thinking

was hoping there was a non rng way but I guess that's what I'm stuck with if I dont want to spend the g

[devout pewter]

Just pop into arms specc during the dungeon where the bis weapon drops and you're golden 😄

Yeah non rng is pretty hard unless you pay for the craft

[unique hamlet]

I see people running Colossus for m+ how far is it ahead of slayer? I like the play style of slayer better

[devout pewter]

Then play slayer 🙂

[unique hamlet]

i love Reap the storm lol

"if" it procs a lot

[devout pewter]

You'll be easily fine with any specc up to 10s and sometimes a bit beyond. The "best" specc only matters if you're right on the edge, getting to MDI or whatever

So just do what's fun to you and promote that shit for everyone else!

[fleet goblet]

Hi!, for low myth prog, what is better?
2 fury´s or 1 fury and 1 arms (I saw a few RTWF guild playing that way)

[devout pewter]

Fury bombs for anything with small adds iirc while arms just slaps through ST

So a mix seems best, considering the rest of your setup

[minor gust]

It all depends on your raid comp and what you guys need. Are you really lacking add dmg double fury. If add dmg seems overkill arms it up

[primal rover]

Yo guys, is there anyone here that plays arms (preferably high-end mythic) that has some time on their hands to explain a few things to me (in private, so that I don't flood the chat here).
Just swapped to arms as a request and I am struggling imo.

[manic stirrup]

not technically it just is a big loss

but you can make ip for it

[manic stirrup]

yeah dm me ill get back to you in an hour or so when im home

[devout pewter]

You can just ask away here, you're not flooding, I doubt anyone minds right now

[latent moss]

not as big as people think after some changes to the apl

warbreaker was kinda fucked

for a while but it got fixed recently

i dont know the exact percent but its nowehre near 10% as it used to be

[edgy solstice]

was always sus anyway

losing 3 seconds of extra haste = 10% dps loss is insane

[glass ingot]

Hi, what’s better for arms, charged claymore or everforged greataxe?

[edgy solstice]

doesn't matter. craft for mog

axe is cheaper to craft iirc

[glass ingot]

Axe it is then 😁

Thanks

[latent moss]

not really

30% higher haste and cs

uptime is a lot

[edgy solstice]

30% higher haste from what

[teal fossil]

Blunt

Blunt instruments with iftk

30% more uptime on that haste

[edgy solstice]

ohh uptime

[teal fossil]

And obviously the cs itself

[edgy solstice]

ya the uptime was the selling point

and maybe for slayer, it's still the play

[teal fossil]

This wb nerf is pretty irrelevant

Doesn’t matter too much

[edgy solstice]

ya it's whatever

wb likely still gonna be better for colo keys

and you run blunt for slayer ofc

[minor gust]

Feels like they're changing this for the sake of changing things

WB 2yrd range increase and a meaningless soft cap

[teal fossil]

Yeah

The damage on wb is like 3%

Of your total dam

It’s so small

[latent moss]

maybe a rework they make warbreaker a standalone spell

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758086817730920529/1273098382461636689/1272902776497639475-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[manic river]

Okay so there is something I'm not getting right here. We were raiding on princess and got close, but the thing there is a new fury warrior on the group, he has less ilvl and not that good equipment compared to how I'm doing. Arms is suposed to be better at sustained ST likes raid and yet in most tries he is getting very very close to me and in a couple of them got on top by a smal margin, wtf is happening

[minor gust]

600% dmg increase needed

[strong tendon]

Arms pops off during execute so if you arent consistently getting deep into execute phasethe fury will keep up with you particularly if you're close to a 1:30 burst breakpoint.

[teal fossil]

^

[manic river]

But that's the thing in the last try I got into exe fase and still he was super close

I don't get it, I think I 'm getting better

[royal escarp]

no pi on the fury or aug buff ?

[manic river]

With my rotation

[teal fossil]

He’s built diff

[latent moss]

how deep

[minor gust]

Skill and RNG will also play a roll

[latent moss]

into the exe phase

arms needs some time

[strong tendon]

ful AJ stacks time haha

[manic river]

I don't remember without looking at the data but I think we were getting princess close to 20%

[strong tendon]

that's not long enough

you pop off last 10%

[manic river]

Okay so basically that "advatange" arms has over fury at the moment it's just if you get at very end poping exes all the way? doesn't seem that good

[teal fossil]

Link logs

[strong tendon]

Sometimes p3 damage is all that matters. it really depends on the fight. Arms also has significant advantage in 2 target the whole fight, ie, silken court

and yes, he may just be outplaying you or be picked less for mechanics like portals

[restive folio]

I feel so much squishier on Arms than on Fury, is it a huge DPS loss to take ignore pain in m+?

[manic river]

It justs make me feel like the specs are just not equal in general, I'm not going to stop playing arms in any case but man, and I thouhgt I was improving a lot

[dire hinge]

ignore pain doesn't shield you for a lot of damage, but yes you can take it if you want

to make it strong you have to re-cast it multiple times and stack it

also briefly popping into dstance on big stuff 👌

[teal fossil]

No

It’s not a loss if you don’t overuse it

[restive folio]

Hm okay, good to know. Appreciate the advice. I saw collosus has a talent that buffs it so I assume some people run it

[manic river]

From what I've seen people don't take IP with colosus

At least most people

[teal fossil]

It’s not like you are mind controlled to press ip

If you need it to live then press it

[minor gust]

Just gotta remember tho the strength of IP comes from actually using it. If your not making use of it your better off taking the passive healing

Arms is very tanky you just need to be active with your defensives like Dstance and SR

[manic river]

Also to expend excess rage

We generate a lot in this season

[balmy swallow]

is running stat weights still viable?

[dire hinge]

no

[hazy flower]

it doesnt matter

it doesnt contribute towards any DPS increase

[balmy swallow]

is there a way to know what stats we should prioritize more with our current gear then?

[manic stirrup]

haste crit but sim top gear

[dire hinge]

you dont really worry about "stats" so much, you care about the gear. It sounds silly, but it's important.
Use the "top gear" section on Raidbots.com to select from gear you have available to you, then run simulations to determine which one gets you the highest outcome

[white hedge]

find myself overcapping rage like free
is eh
is whirlwind gone?

[dire hinge]

stat weights in a vacuum is heavily discouraged, and even has a massive banner warning against it

[dire hinge]

don't worry about overcapping your rage, that's not a concern for arms and the APL doesn't have any condition in which it worries about your rage hitting max. Just focus on hitting spells in the right order

[balmy swallow]

I really need to start simming properly xd ive been too lazy since BfA

[dire hinge]

never a better time than right now

[white hedge]

oh big thanks

[dire hinge]

this can probably help give direction:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050

it's less intimidating than it visually seems

[balmy swallow]

I tried a few times, in general I sort of ended up freestyling and going with what I thought would be good, never stopped me from doing high end content but I for sure have been missing out

Thanks for the link!

[dire hinge]

always! folks are usually happy to help with arms questions, but simming can be weird at first

it's really neat once you get the hang of it

takes a lot of the guess work out

[balmy swallow]

True

[trim pike]

is there a reason the sims say to skullsplitter after bs?

for the opener

[unique hamlet]

Do you use cleave on 2 targets outside SS?

[nova marsh]

guys do pants exist?

[novel stump]

For mythic+ what is our read on skullsplitter vs. no skullsplitter

[shadow ibex]

do u want an extra button

its better ST and useful rage for colossus

but some ppl just dont like sks

its not gonna make or break a build

[novel stump]

I don't mind the extra button, and it seems to increase my dps in raid encounters

Fair enough

might as well keep things simple and not use it so I can focus more on mechanics and not looking like a fool

[shadow ibex]

in raid u probably should always take it cuz not like u have other options

in m+ its not necessary 100%

[novel stump]

have you considered how metal I look cleaving the single target boss, though?

[nova marsh]

Yes but your damage isn't metal at all

[balmy kindle]

Die by sword >> enraged regeneration and you can't convince me otherwise

[manic stirrup]

enraged regen is consistently better

die by the sword can be situationally insane

[minor gust]

^

[balmy kindle]

Idk it always ticks me off when I accidentally press too much buttons on fury and I just die to thrash due to threat over load

With arms I know I can pop die by sword and not give a f

[terse osprey]

Wowhead or IV for Arms pve?

[balmy kindle]

I recommend looking at some of the builds here instead, if u go on IV or wowhead they recommend taking Dreadnaught

Which is deceptively useless

[terse osprey]

Where do i find these guides you speak of?

[fathom shoal]

#dps-faq

[random wasp]

shadowmeld bud

[minor gust]

wait until you find out the writer for wowhead and IV is the same guy who does the stuff here

[random wasp]

they do prefer cry by the sword than enraged regen so...

[balmy kindle]

Blood elf here

[old urchin]

Zandalari gigachad race

[heady owl]

in execute range what takes prio:
Execute with 3x MoE or MS with 2x EP + 2x LB?

[balmy kindle]

don't ban me pls

[teal fossil]

Execute

But that should never be a choice

Because you are perma spamming execute

[heady owl]

oh duhhh haha

[vital rune]

You guys holding BS for CS every time, or just send it as it comes up?

[shadow ibex]

do you just fill globals with whatever between cleaves when a target reaches exe in aoe

idk feels so disorganized as colossus

[teal fossil]

should execute right

[shadow ibex]

30 rage MS for meh dmg when exe and cleave cost 20

[teal fossil]

sniper execute because that gives stacks

[shadow ibex]

Idk man

[teal fossil]

execute gives 2 stacks with colos right?

[shadow ibex]

Ms crits 2

Exe is 1

[teal fossil]

oh for some reason i thought exec crit is also 2

[shadow ibex]

Nah the ms 2 on crit is even a specific talent

Now buff MS and replace finishing blows with talent that reduces cost by 8

[nova marsh]

Better yet just give us actual new talents

instead of the random splits up we got...the only one that was kinda warranted was dreadnaught

Give us gamba back as arms

[toxic fog]

Does intervene break roots?

[nova marsh]

na

just charge as slayer with Relentless pursuit

[toxic fog]

Ah ok

[nova marsh]

Keep in mind that also has a 30 sec cooldown

[balmy kindle]

Just send it, if it lines up great but u wanna just send it.

If playing slayer In execute phase, u can dump executes then bladestorm to proc mortal strikes as well

[still fox]

Guys whats talents you playing in M+ ? Jugg or WB yes or not?

Whats the best? 😄

[fossil knoll]

im playing colosus, the build i found is great on aoe but very low on single

cant find the balance

[teal fossil]

the balanc is in slayer

[cinder verge]

Anyone struggling to use transmitter in raid?

Half the time I can’t see where the orb or pad is

And sometimes it just spawns in a poison puddle or inside Queen Ansurek during intermission

In Grim Batol the orb floated off the bridge and into open air..

[still fox]

yea i am a sayler fan, but is jugg ok for m+ or sks yes/no? or more aoe?

[arctic hearth]

Kind of depends what dungeon you are doing and what the grp needs.

[boreal quartz]

For more aoe you drop jugg

But ur generally slayer in more prio damage keys

Rather than colossus for big fuck aoe

[tired terrace]

noticed gellyfisk playing colossus for high keys. anyone given it a go? thoughts?

[still fox]

by colossus we wait 10 stacks demo or cast on cd?

[river ridge]

From my brief experience in keys as Colossus, you're pretty much always sending a 10 stack, simply because of how easy it is to build stacks of Colossal Might in AoE. If it's off CD it generally has 10 stacks built to from a previous pull or sometimes the same pull.

[teal fossil]

On cd

[dry ravine]

What’s allowing arms to outperform fury in mythic raids?

[arctic hearth]

St tuning

[versed shoal]

ST

[neat remnant]

Hello ppl.i just started looking into arms stuff and i see merciless bonegrinder is picked for the m+ build however i cant find any info on how the rotation plays around it when it's picked
only thing i remember is from shadowlands that we spammed WW while buff was up
any suggestions please?

[balmy swallow]

Pretty much spam cleave with the buff up

[neat remnant]

that's like what , 2 cleaves only?

no WW at all ?

[dry ravine]

So at this point, just run it on Sikran and Princess?

[brisk slate]

Cleave replaces WW.

[fossil thistle]

Finally

[neat remnant]

i'm sorry i am a bit confused by "replaces" , do we use WW as arms anyway to have cleave "replace" it ?

[worldly kernel]

did more collosus in keys tonight, it still feels clunky but im starting to enjoy it more

cleave replaces WW as an ability when you talent into it

[neat remnant]

OH

good to know

[worldly kernel]

when you spec into it it changes into cleave

[fossil thistle]

Cleave replaces arms as an ability

[neat remnant]

thanks

[versed shoal]

Depends on what your raid group needs i guess

[tired terrace]

Anyone have a link to a good colossus guide m

[hidden lark]

Should we be holding Martial Prowess stacks until 2 all the time and then mortal striking or is there a certain range that we should send it if overpower is on cooldown and you have 1 stack?

[paper dove]

you send it

[sleek remnant]

Guys I'm confused by the sac-brood, it's supposed to be the top passive trinket, but so many trinkets sim higher for me at the same ilvl

[hidden lark]

Thank you

[lusty creek]

what happens in the situation where you are in the execute phase, you cast execute 2 times and then want to cast MS for executioner's precision. in case OP has 2 stacks you want to consume 1 of it before landing MS?

[versed shoal]

Supposed to be bis pre nerf or after the nerf?

[latent arrow]

I feel like colossus fucks

Also jugg slayer fucks, but I can't seem to make the full aoe slayer build work and Idk if I'm doing something wrong 😢

[sleek remnant]

Even after it's still listed as BiS

[versed shoal]

Did they updated the guide after the nerf?

[dawn yacht]

I assume this weapon is trash for us?

[plucky fern]

its okay in ST

worst weapon in aoe

[dawn yacht]

Big tys ^^

[plucky fern]

you are doing everything correct, its just full aoe slayer build doesnt perform

jugg slayer is the way if you want to play slayer in m+

imo

its best ST of all warrior specs, so if you are playing with aoe pumpers or just need ST for specific key, its the play for sure

if you want full aoe then colossus will deliver some insane numbers if you go full aoe griefing build with like blademastes and eb, just be ready to see tank damage on st

[vapid bay]

yea my group has a lot of st and colossus feels great, demolishing packs then afking on bosses

[fossil thistle]

I’m just using M+ heavy AoE slayer a d I’m around 1.1-1.25m overall

Only 610 so not super geared

[balmy kindle]

Slayer aoe is pretty much cleave bs and alot of reap procs

Honestly when I play slayer reap does more damage than cleave

[quiet yacht]

💪🦾

[marble steppe]

whats the warbringer build i saw on the ptr notes

[marsh cedar]

Hi guys, at some point crit is not the best stat anymore right?

[vast helm]

save arms

[brisk slate]

Only way to truly know.

But generally speaking, DR will eventually do you in if you keep stacking one stat, and Arms doesn't have bad stats per se.

[marsh cedar]

Yea that's why I asked, I have 26% crit and now mastery/haste seems to be better.

[brisk slate]

As said, at some point DR will do you in. The only way to know when and what would be best to get instead is to sim your character.

[plucky fern]

at 34% crit haste started to sim better

just hit that breakpoint yesterday and now sim tells me to put some haste gems instead of crit gems

not gonna do that tho because 0.2% dps is not worth the money

talking about m+ colossus

[primal rover]

I think I'm slightly haste starved

every piece with haste just sims crazy for me.

[plucky fern]

jugg st?

if yes then no mystery

[primal rover]

ye

[plucky fern]

i think it will be haste even after dr

[primal rover]

i was just expecting crit to go higher a bit

since i have close to none

[wanton sierra]

hhey bros, i got gucci war wa, its nice... but i want to remove my frame and my target frame since the aura already has it, do uu know

[zenith warren]

does engi actually do anything for raid/m+ since you can use cables without being engineer?

[tranquil sundial]

crit being better than haste is a lie and hasnt been true since SL

before that idk, didnt play

[thick kelp]

Cata arms

Crit crit crit

[plucky fern]

not much, the only benefit you get is nitro boots from wotlk which share cd with dps pots

and jeeves

[regal wharf]

hi yall

[cunning sleet]

hey,
I haven't had any wep drop for me and I don't think im getting a mythic wep drop any time soon so I am just gonna craft a 636 wep. If my main focus is m+, should I craft it without an embellishment? so I can craft another duskweave item later? Or is there a good alternative embelleishment for wep?

[jolly goblet]

in the rotation, do we use MS only with stacks? or just on cd?

[brisk slate]

Would recommend another duskweave item. You'll still want a myth track weapon to replace it with, so the long term investment is embellishments on low budget slots.

However, as with all things gear, it'd be best to sim it.

[cunning sleet]

There is no doubt in my mind that the wep sims much higher for now, because I have a 606 fully upgraded wep. The question is more like, if I am crafting a 636 wep, should I just not embellish it so I can get another duskweave later, or is there another high value embellishment I can get on my wep that isn't ascendance, since I am focusing on m+?

[brisk slate]

Sim the embellishments, rather than the weapon. Recommendation is 2x duskweave.

[plucky fern]

i've been simming embelishments for m+ today a lot, because i have ascendance + writhing currently and i feel like its a total waste for m+, its falling off between packs and then stacks very slowly
so i started to sim other wep embelishment options and blessed weapon grip + one duskweave actually sims the same dps, but in reality it will be more because sim overvalues ascendance a lot (it calculates non-stop fights and good uptime, which is not happening)

so probably will recraft and try that combo

[cunning sleet]

intresting, thanks.

[jolly goblet]

in the rotation, do we use MS only with stacks? or just on cd?

[regal stump]

Gotta be on cd. It's a big waste not to press MS while it's ready as OP can reset its CD for example

[tall flare]

Same my sims want me to grab everything haste