arms

[frosty basin]

I got mythic weapon in vault, and its high on haste. Debating on going weapon and double stat

Is the double stat simmed with full uptime or with a %?

[dire hinge]

A percent, full uptime is impossible

I’d have to check the exact amount but it’s a normally achievable number

[frosty basin]

Most guides say we should go weapon, just no idea what to do

[torpid pasture]

Hey guys, can u tell me what is the best option to sim for m+? Is dungeon slice any good?

[severe haven]

Can always craft weapon

[frosty basin]

Like I said earlier I got a mythic weapon in vault

[severe haven]

Which one?

[frosty basin]

Its the only mythic vault option I have so

[trim skiff]

congrats

[dire hinge]

Disclaimer: There’s no perfect way to sim dungeons, but yes dungeon slice is fine enough

[frosty basin]

ty mate

[trim skiff]

from a 626 wep its still around a 3.5-4% upgrade, so pretty big overall

happy for you

[torpid pasture]

thanks!

[severe haven]

It is big, but you can also craft an embellished 639 this week if you go for it

If you're eyeing another upgrade

I've been unlucky with weapons so I'm doing just that

[frosty basin]

Which enchant are you going for on a weapon if you play both m+ and raid?

[sharp wyvern]

i think i won

[frosty basin]

shit awesome trinket gz dude!

[trim skiff]

plenty of good luck to you for the rest of the season man, congrats

[visual fern]

Simmed statweights 4fun to see how my fury gear sized up for arms

Haste > Str

[minor gust]

welcome to Arms Mr Garms

[visual fern]

(For those reading, stat weights is a dogshit sim - don't do it)

(I'm just fucking around)

[frigid cipher]

i do the same

just check them every now and then

for fun

[minor gust]

Hes lying to you stat weights is the most important info for any big D gamer

[visual fern]

If you know where stat weights is applicable

And how

Has the potential to push you from liker

98 to 99%ile (in play performance, not parse)

[manic stirrup]

play dn

[visual fern]

But most people don't need, don't care, or don't have the necessary critical-thinking sim skills

To do so

Imo

I don't think I even have enough brainpower to maximize it

[minor gust]

Parsing is performance

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-type-gif-24052524

[visual fern]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/M5COwaJqKrgI3aeY4sIQGKWIr64t90nK1VSBqBS6F8A/https/i.imgur.com/PjEFGGB.png?format=webp&quality=lossless

When every fight is on the way to becoming a boss-damage-only encounter for logs

[minor gust]

yeah idk its a weird decision

who actually cares about comparing parses of all classes

if im playing arms im only comparing myself to other arms

[visual fern]

I get it in the sense

You're at the mercy of how many fdk/fury are in your raid

Which is fair

But theres so many more cons, and the application is "pick and choose" instead of uniform across the board

Which is another con in itself

[minor gust]

yeah 100%

[visual fern]

Mages at the top

Look at that

[minor gust]

fucking loser wizzard mains

[rain cipher]

They will do anything to make them at the top 😉

[astral talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/851206644725317692/1288398719468834827/image.png?ex=66f50a50&is=66f3b8d0&hm=02b86541404c06800983cd877d590afd7efd3c6cfcc763c80ad99631f21ed09a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=415&height=314

this is bs 😦

[astral talon]

bro,

wtf

[visual fern]

[thick kelp]

This is the case even once fullbis btw

for slayer

[visual fern]

https://tenor.com/byriu.gif

[visual fern]

https://tenor.com/byriu.gif

[thick kelp]

ALready did this myself on prog

1x arm 1 fury

[visual fern]

HOLY WALLIFE > REVVEZ?

[thick kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965371616269848578/1282715194476466227/powder_that_makes_you_say_holy.gif

[visual fern]

HOLY

[thick kelp]

wtf happened to my gif

[visual fern]

Made me say holy

[thick kelp]

holy

[balmy kindle]

Arcane rework was a mistake

[tranquil sundial]

Im thinking mandate angle

Can get myth legs from first boss, sacbrood is hero track anyways, farmable

[white anvil]

are sims broken or what ?

somehow a 619 skyterror organ is outsimming my sacbrood

aoe and st

i guess its a bit inflated since most encounters wont have perfect organ usage

[balmy kindle]

I would take mandate if I were you gz

[plucky fern]

after nerf sacbrood doesnt sim well for me either

[arctic hearth]

What slayer build are you guys using in m+? Been trying colo for fun, but the ST is so meh :/

[lunar acorn]

do we send roar before avatar ?

[plucky fern]

simmed serenity+blademasters just for lulz in dungeonslice, is this a bait?

its colossus

[thick kelp]

Holy shit im fast as fuck with this speed meta gem

[tight igloo]

Was Sacbrood nerfed? Just got it and it sims lower then then these 2 together

[balmy kindle]

did you like just discover something genius, 4.4% is alot

[plucky fern]

well apparently 40seconds of spamming cleave is pretty good in aoe

it comes with a tremendous loss in st tho

like -15%

but dungeonslice is like half aoe half ST and it still thinks overall dps will be 4.4% more

gonna try that meme build in some lower keys

[teal fossil]

Link the whole sim

[faint cave]

I have sacbrood and treacherous transmitter, should i still get mad queen's mandate? is it no brainer?

[snow flame]

Transmitter is BiS

[gilded stump]

Get the Concoction

[snow flame]

Unless you hate yourself double on use is kinda annoying

[faint cave]

really?

[gilded stump]

[gilded stump]

The guides recommend Mandate and Transmitter

At least some do

[tight igloo]

Is Sacbrood nerfed? I simmed higher with Skyterror instead of it

[snow flame]

Yeah i know

It’s just annoying lol

[gilded stump]

True

[snow flame]

Sacbrood is pretty close to the BiS I think

Haven’t gotten to the sim point to know though

[weak wave]

How much dps gain should 2p and 4p be?

[latent moss]

low

not much

[plucky fern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7oSsMtDEGdZreu2PghnwuP

[teal fossil]

Yeah this build just throws away all your st

[snow flame]

Dungeon slice itself is bait

[teal fossil]

I bet you can get it higher going mbg

Then you can really throw away your st

[plucky fern]

yeah as i said ST will be very bad

[plucky fern]

tbh not sure if that will be even a dps gain with 1.5min ravager

[plucky fern]

how do you sim m+ then

[snow flame]

Just ST

You aren’t gonna get an accurate m+ sim with varying pulls and what not anyways

[plucky fern]

yeah obviously you cant get accurate sims for m+, but you can still get a rough idea of your dps in dungeon scenario

[snow flame]

Eh ST gives you a more accurate sim imo

[plucky fern]

so you sim 8targets ST or you are saying that you just dont sim aoe at all

[coarse glade]

is there any difference between crafted 2h axe ans 2h sword?

[plucky fern]

no they are the same stats, but if i remember correctly they have slightly different crafting reagents

which doesnt really matter

[gilded stump]

Always go for sword/mace as human and axe for orcs

[snow flame]

Just sim pure at

ST

[plucky fern]

idk it just doesnt make sence to me then

[sage igloo]

U could try 3/4/5 etc.. bosses on a shorter time but there's too many variables that it's never gonna be realistic

[plucky fern]

im usually sim dungeonslice and 3min st to compare builds

for m+

you could replace dungeonslice with 5 targets patchwerk i guess but i dunno about ignoring aoe part completely

trash is 70% of keys this season

[quaint cosmos]

do we stack or 4 piece 2x before ms?

[arctic hearth]

Afaik yes

[severe eagle]

how much on average is a socket worth in terms of Ilvl?

[inland quest]

i made a week auras to tell when to execute

if u want guys

https://wago.io/LGCQ-r09Z

[cyan tusk]

Good work

[inland quest]

did you try it ?

[tacit harbor]

Hey guys! Just making sure, we're never using Cleave on single target, right...? Have seen some conflicting sources

[fresh tide]

As long as you don't consume any overpower or tier set stacks it should be ok, but that's a lot of mental overhead

[river light]

Just to confirm(I hope it dont trigger some ptsd) ss doesnt trigger for the Extra ms in BS and ravager correkt? Wowhead guide still has it in thats why I am asking

[unborn moth]

Yo, is it normal that i'm always almost full in rage ? last time i played arms warrior i had to wait sometime to get some rage lul

[latent orbit]

How important is the tier bonus's for Arms?

[neon niche]

there is a small note on #dps-faq
its not much a dps increase on 2p and 4p so theres no need to rush it if u can hold it

same for fury

[latent orbit]

thx!

[neon niche]

"Very mediocre. Should be acquired, but not prioritized over most other players. Dragonflight tier will be disabled at level 80.

Arms
TWW tier bonuses are worth ~3% for Slayer and ~6% for Colossus. There's no inherent bug or flaw, it just revolves around Mortal Strike, which doesn't get used a lot in Execute.

Fury
TWW tier bonuses are worth ~2.5% for Slayer and Thane. It is inherently weak due to depending on Raging Blow resetting itself, which just doesn't happen all that often."

[arctic hearth]

got 619 normal mace and 606 Wild hammer (been sooo unlucky with trinkets...) playing both fury and arms and i've got premium raidbots now to sim it but I still cant decide :p

oh

[rapid bronze]

am I imagining things or does fury feel like ass in m+ and arms performs better pull to pull as colossus

[fading isle]

Is sac good still

[fading isle]

definitely colossus is better in AoE

[elfin violet]

Plus colossus is manly and slayer is for pussy furys

Cant sim that

[quaint otter]

[boreal quartz]

Doing 10% less damage isnt very many

[latent basin]

Is it just me or Double Duskthread lining doesnt work?

nvm it was bugged - just needed to lose some health

[elfin violet]

True men don't care about numbers, they just wanna demolish

[remote ledge]

we just out there

Akd that's manly

[copper oar]

Duskthread+Ascencion is not worth it correct, would be best to either commit to double duskthread or writhing+ascension?

[candid zenith]

Do we get 3rd spark this week?

[scarlet spade]

no, just 2

[plucky fern]

have the same feeling tbh

[scarlet spade]

i mean next week wcan used 3

u can 2 craft items by spark

[daring lance]

is Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg a recommended trinket for Arms? what is the most recommended way of using it? on cooldown?

[neon niche]

align with ur major cds
always pop
never save
zug

as every other on use trinket

[scarlet spade]

Ovi nax's better if singletarget

[cyan tusk]

Haven’t been on yet, but I will.

Stupid question, but is there a way to copy talent string off Warcraft logs.

[inland quest]

okay let me know if it working correctly

[nova marsh]

Blizz if one more weapon drops SO HELP ME GOD

[remote ledge]

im pretty happy

[nova marsh]

GAMING

[latent arrow]

what build for pumping this week m+?

for 9s i mean, so fortified only

[toxic heath]

guys 30% haste in arms is acceptable?

[manic stirrup]

slayer or colossus

both are viable

[quartz cedar]

I've got 30% haste. Sims aren't telling me to get less.

[manic stirrup]

yes

[quartz cedar]

What the Sims did tell me is that kiss of death is my 2nd best trinket

I baked in it's usage via macro so I always use it, but I need a weak aura to tell me to jump before it's over

Anyone using kiss of death? Having 1000+ of every secondary stat for 30 seconds is great.

[teal fossil]

the main problem is that it has a sort of awkward cd

[whole fable]

Is there a specific ilvl where it becomes more viable to swap to Arms from Fury? Been noticing a lot more Arms Warriors in the RWF lately

[quartz cedar]

Boris, I think they switch to arms for single target raid fights. If you look at those arms warriors from liquid profiles, they seem to switch to fury for m+

[manic stirrup]

no specific ilvl

they are good and brought for different things

[dire hinge]

Yup, Arms is better at single target, fury is great for handling burst adds and letting the rest of your raid go more single target focused.

[whole fable]

Ah okay. I was just reminded of the early weeks of Dragonflight where Arms overtook Fury when people reached a certain ilvl

[dire hinge]

it's just a tool applied to a problem

nah you're fine to play whichever one you like more, they're both comparable in most contexts.

[agile crown]

are you guys getting 2 sets of gear for arms/fury?

[dire hinge]

eventually, probably

[agile crown]

kk thank you

[dire hinge]

getting gear to begin with is a bit of the bottle neck at the moment, so most players are likely focusing one or the other, but there's no rule that says you have to hard commit to arms in order to play the video game

[agile crown]

ya im prio mastery haste for now but still having fun on sikran & princess arms

[quartz cedar]

Fury has different stat preferences. That's what I like about arms/prot. They both favor crit/haste.

[brazen barn]

only works for me for 3x MfE, none of the others

[teal fossil]

that wasnt true either

arms with tier set was better than fury with tier set

that was it

so i guess the answer is, whatever 4 pieces of tier gets you

[manic stirrup]

wasnt really an ilvl was with the .5 patch

tier made arms playable but it wasn tbetter than fury until the patch

[teal fossil]

yeah the patch was the biggest

but tier was also pretty big

[manic stirrup]

yeah furys tier was beans

[latent arrow]

i meant a specific build

[manic stirrup]

i think worse than this one

i know but which hero talent

[teal fossil]

idk if its worse than this one

[manic stirrup]

both are good and viable in aoe

[teal fossil]

this one feels like it does nothing

[manic stirrup]

wasnt it like 0.9%

[dire hinge]

all warriors zug

[teal fossil]

at least you felt the df t1 set

[manic stirrup]

yeah you did notice the tier

[teal fossil]

even if it also did nothing

like gameplay wise it isnt too bad

[manic stirrup]

fury was great in the raid even wth a beans set

(like this patch as well)

[royal escarp]

Arm with 4p >> fury with 4p ???

[teal fossil]

on st

[teal fossil]

yeah but we dont scale

we scaled too hard in prepatch

with 43% aura

that they had to take away 3%

[manic stirrup]

slayer is more st colossus more aoe

pick your poison

[shadow ibex]

colossus feels so weird

doesnt feel like youre doing dmg

no procs

just buttons

but you are

[manic stirrup]

could also play this for colossus if you want

first one i linked is a bit of a cook

[shadow ibex]

every other hero spec has some proc or w/e and colossus is just build stacks press buttons that hit harder cuz colossus passives

not complaining just weird going from it to slayer

[manic stirrup]

its different but similar

your executes reset bladestorm cd

[shadow ibex]

50% OP dmg in colossus doesnt feel like its there

but it is

[manic stirrup]

where ms execute and cleave reset demolish cd (less so but still there)

[shadow ibex]

you dont get any special glowy effect or buff just this button does dam

[latent arrow]

why is the first one cooked?

[manic stirrup]

a cook as in a build im working on

[obtuse pollen]

As earthen is there any way to sim the food change? It's likely minimal either way, but stat weights would be weighted off the haste or mastery I already have from food not based on not having it

[manic stirrup]

it has warbreaker and arterial bleed talents which most ppl arent playing

warbreaker for for arterialbleed gives a bit of st back

[shadow ibex]

WB demolish feels like catching a glimpse of another reality for a brief moment

https://tenor.com/view/math-hmm-processing-gif-10273186

make last hit auto crit targets affected by CS tho

[manic stirrup]

make it scale with crit for damage

remove that massive rng component

[nova marsh]

Demolish has gets it's own crit damage modifier

Scaling with crit. Endlessly....so you just run crit

[manic stirrup]

idk if arcane is still like this but in shadowlands your whole damage was did you crit

if you crit you top the meters for that pack by a lot

if you dont crit youre beans

its not that significant for us

but still feels bad when you dont crit

(esp on damage amps)

[nova marsh]

I mean it always will

God slayer not cri tting on 3x marks just feels awful

[manic stirrup]

yeah but moreso that it should

[vapid igloo]

Are the multitarget sims any good right now or is that still WIP

[nova marsh]

Does it happen a lot? na but I've seen it happen

[shadow ibex]

Yea I want chaos bolt demolish

Idc I just want it

Tune other stuff so our dmg remains the same

[nova marsh]

Give arms more crit damage

I want to be able to doubble the damage of normal crits

[shadow ibex]

I mean I think warrior is pretty much the crit Amp class

Arms a bit more than fury but I don't think any other class has as many sources of it as us

[nova marsh]

DH is close

Since they just get crit damage from gear if they didn't change that talent

[shadow ibex]

It's already pretty high and things like opportunist and colossus martial expert or whatever

[nova marsh]

Impale, opportunist, Martial expert...yeah

[shadow ibex]

Yea but even with their crit chance = the required rating still makes it worse than our numerous

Even in final season gear they still have less than us p sure

[nova marsh]

It's really that bad that it dosen't make it to the 10% from impale?

[shadow ibex]

We have nothing but 5-30% boosts thru the various trees

Its should be higher than just impale but you have sharpened blades crit thinking crit boosts in class tree

[nova marsh]

OH

[shadow ibex]

Not even getting to hero spec or

[nova marsh]

I forgot sharpened blades existed for a sec

[shadow ibex]

OP has even more from the DN choice node

[nova marsh]

It's a miracle arms has THIS much crit damage amps and isn't...totally reliant on it

[shadow ibex]

With opportunist OP has like a 60% Amp or something

[nova marsh]

30% dam and 30% crit dam

I find it funny how we've dropped some of the OP talents from DF and op is still cracked

[shadow ibex]

Well the one we drop battlelord doesn't increase its dmg

[nova marsh]

man I kinda miss Blord

[severe crag]

has anyone tried memeing with brutal finish and champions spear. getting like 4.5m+ mortal strikes

[wise cloud]

Any1 running Skyterror's Corrosive Organ?

[shadow ibex]

i did for a few days cuz it was like 20 ilvls over other trinkets

not super impressed by it but its an onuse that doesnt matter when u use really and it has mainstat static

[manic stirrup]

only ever on smolderon

nothing this expansion

roar is too good for regular gameplay

i can run it in a key when i get home but i expect it to be a lot worse

[inland quest]

https://wago.io/LGCQ-r09Z This weakaura will tell you to execute when:
2x stacks of SD
SD about to drop off
AJ >4 sec remaining
3x marked for execution

This is to optimize your execution to not use it at random time

try it guys

[sharp pawn]

hey there got finaly the fk 4pc is it worth tracking the buffs or should i just roll with it ?

[shadow ibex]

[manic stirrup]

#fury

[sharp pawn]

bruh XD

[manic stirrup]

yeah for st

[hot dawn]

Hi lads, im playing fury/prot since beginnin of TWW, but wanted to increase my pool by adding single target dps, wonder if arms is simple or very hard to master

[nova marsh]

Arms is not really hard at all

[hot dawn]

great

[nova marsh]

slightly more complicated the fury, but not hard

[hot dawn]

thank you!

[arctic hearth]

Fury makes me zuggzugg snd forget mechanics

[hot dawn]

[zenith crystal]

I’m just sad they made parses ST only.

[manic stirrup]

only on rashanan

which you play st build anyways for arms

[zenith crystal]

(I was on Fury my guy, I’m in here to not be an embarrassment during heroic prog)

[sharp pawn]

can you share the weakaura ??

[rapid bronze]

is it not possible to sim embellishments on raidbots?

[nova marsh]

Yeah it is

you can import them into top gear and you can also use droptimizier

[rapid bronze]

so I'm trying to sim which item to craft but I don't see an option to add the lining

like to compare making a ring vs making bracers with lining

[astral yarrow]

gear compare

you can also just add the item in top gear and use the + sign to add an embellsihment

[rapid bronze]

oh im an idiot, thanks for that

[nova marsh]

na ur good

[fervent glen]

is it just me, or is the last boss of stonevault a nightmare for uptime for us? every other mechanic forces you off the boss to run off to a portal/drop shit on a corner

[nova marsh]

I think it was added recently

[nova marsh]

I mean this entire season isn't exactly meele friendly

[kind stag]

was practicing some Arms in M+, am i messing up bigtime by not using Skullsplitter that often? i feel like i get more value from mashing overpowers, cleaves and so on, and i even saw some pepos that dont even talent into Sks for M+

or is it only for big prio targets and bosses?

[arctic hearth]

SS sks is pretty juicy, but its a pretty big Dps increase on bosses

Its once every 20sec ish

[kind stag]

hmmm makes sense

[shadow ibex]

@manic stirrup wtf is colossu aoe prio

this is why cleave needsto pop EP

gotta MS but also cleave and here im executing this mob has 2 stacks

FUUUUUU

[manic stirrup]

cleave on cd

keep up rend

[latent moss]

idk just cleave xd

u dont get shit from exe and it devours ur rage bar idk

[shadow ibex]

it feels so weird

[latent moss]

have u tried gellys jugg colossus

[shadow ibex]

im using exe in aoe and popping EP for prio dmg

but idk if thats good

[latent moss]

ye that's slayer gameplay

ethical slayer gameplay *

i wish to time this key gameplay*

[shadow ibex]

fuck it

cleave spam

no more thinking

[latent moss]

colossus gameplay

[kind stag]

still gotta try out Colossus in m+ but it looks fun

praying for demolish crit

[latent moss]

slot machine simulator

lets go gambling!

aw dangit

(demolished didnt crit)

u can get some diabolical numbers on first boss mists

i had an 18 mil 3rd hit

[shadow ibex]

but im tactical

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[shadow ibex]

🤓

[kind stag]

coom

[latent moss]

hi tactical i hate RA fury

[kind stag]

i think gambling is awesome because when you win it feels better

[latent moss]

yeah and when u lose it motivates u

[arctic hearth]

I have suuuper low crit, colo feels meh😭

[manic stirrup]

no

[latent moss]

to go through ur monitor

[manic stirrup]

link i’ll try later

[latent moss]

lemme find

[latent moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/284226322585354241/1288163232350998699/image.png?ex=66f5807f&is=66f42eff&hm=0e5f8c0b9a5b8dac40f8ef2f163a170f7176d64f8caa8316e0ec53c2f6ae6984&

[manic stirrup]

i hate it

[latent moss]

i havent tried it either but no deft experience sounds evil

[manic stirrup]

but ill try

i cant imagine that being good

ive been surprised before though

[latent moss]

idk but he usually knows what he is doing

he cooked sks in s2

idk

legit 0 arms warriors in keys and he was fucking blasting

bonegrinder is ridiculous tho

with colossus

colat mbg cleave is unreal

[kind stag]

idk but this looks badass lol

[latent moss]

had a 7 mil on beta

cleave is unironically u hardest hitting spell

[nova marsh]

Cleave slaps for no reason

[latent moss]

well demolish with all 3 hits ig

[manic stirrup]

issue i see with that is you just have 0 rage constabtly

in execute

like completely afk

[latent moss]

there are very good reasons why cleave fucks

one against many

precise strikes

[latent moss]

critical thinking should help a lot

like A LOT

[kind stag]

more i look at this build

more it looks badass

can i get an import string boss

(lazy)

[latent moss]

prob need pooling @manic stirrup

especially during rava

u can pool by pressinf op instead of exe

its a small loss but overall a gain

115 rage is enough for decent pooling

[latent moss]

not home rn

[manic stirrup]

hmm i see

[latent moss]

also u could try dropping jugg for deft maybe on lower keys

jugg just gains turbo value when bosses actually live

charge weaving as well xd

[kind stag]

if you drop jugg

shouldnt you also drop massacre by default then, even if it makes no sense since you want crit thinking

[latent moss]

no cause u want critical thinking

[kind stag]

idk how storm of swords is like

[latent moss]

bad

[kind stag]

dang

[latent moss]

u dont need rage for cleave op spam

[kind stag]

what about EBlows instead of jugg

[latent moss]

unironically this build seems like a big cook

eblows too weak on st

[shadow ibex]

i fuckin executed in m+ as colossus

so i had to charge weave trash

[latent moss]

yeah same

need to rewire my brain from slayer

[shadow ibex]

sitting at 27 rage

and max EP stacks

[latent moss]

BRO SAME

27 rage

fuark

[kind stag]

done lets go

[nova marsh]

Give arms personal windfury

[lean geode]

In a nutshell, slarms execute phase boils down to "execute until you get opportunist, then OP. MS when you have 2xEP and 2xOP. SkS for rage as needed" correct?

And obviously use cds (aligning ava with CS)

[manic stirrup]

no

massacre should be in all colossus builds, nothing else to really take

[kind stag]

[shadow ibex]

we need a revamped talent

that colossus likes to take

instead of well i guess ill pick the least shit

[manic stirrup]

i hope fatality is changed to some sort of bleed talent

[shadow ibex]

and get rid of spiteful while ur at it

[manic stirrup]

id like left for bleeds middle for ms right for execute

for the capstones

[boreal quartz]

execute is rlly good for colo cdr

[kind stag]

Critical Thinking is kinda goated for colo

you need to crit anyways

[shadow ibex]

tough to afford

[kind stag]

drop 1 bloodborne?

[boreal quartz]

@manic stirrup

like this or

im forgor

[kind stag]

this on slayer?

[boreal quartz]

no

collo

choco is colo sensei i need approval 🙏

[kind stag]

sudden death? not something i see often

so much builds man

i feel like whatever i pick its the wrong choice

[latent arrow]

i love this, so much fun to blast big packs

[boreal quartz]

i mean you can go mass

[kind stag]

i got this for m+ atm

pumpin cleaves

[manic stirrup]

2/2 bloodbourne instead of 2/2 de and i drop sd for massacre but either should be fine

[vapid bay]

so what seems to be the choice wb or cs for m+? i see so many different builds

[manic stirrup]

use arterial bleeds in colossus tree for more st if you want/need it

[manic stirrup]

warbreaker for more aoe, specifically for colossus

as slayer/want to do more st use blunt instruments

[vapid bay]

hmm okay thanks

is colossus much behind slayer

[astral talon]

which embelish goes to weapon?

[kind stag]

in m+ i kinda like colossus more but for raiding slaya is best

[inland drift]

Tried arms in raid and i love it

[livid cloak]

Arms is fun in raid

Rashanan execute for days

[manic stirrup]

for what content

[livid cloak]

Single target content

Colossus is actually really REALLY fun on m plus trash

Cleave and demo feel so good

[lusty tulip]

Building for aoe in m+ is mostly meter padding

Unless you have a real sketch comp

Stronger st is what actually shaves time

[worldly kernel]

I mean there’s no real build where you don’t take some sort of aoe

[lusty tulip]

Obviously you take aoe, but if you sac significant st for aoe as arms

You should probs just play fury

Lots of specs with amazing aoe atm, and even arms does fine on it without stuff like colossus

[half vine]

ret is doing too good with AoE

[worldly kernel]

There’s limited points you can change to go either or and even then they’re good for both, this is probably the only time we have actual good ST and aoe of any iteration maybe besides legion

[lusty tulip]

This was mainly in reference to ppl favouring colossus for m+

[worldly kernel]

I touched it in beta, I didn’t like it. Felt super clunky I said that earlier but I’d give it a try again I can’t really comment how it feels now

[lusty tulip]

I mean, if you find it more fun - go for it

Just think there's very few cases where it's better

[worldly kernel]

I can see in 10+ it can be favorable but even still slayer gives good aoe talents plus you can run more single target stuff on the spec tree and it will still perform better or be on par. I’m guessing they’re very similar damage wise but maybe people like having a big CD to press

I just wish it wasn’t a channel and instead a buff like focused rage but it just giga juices an MS and does some sort of cone aoe (if I were to change it)

[lusty tulip]

I dont see why, bosses/prio targets are the main timesinks in 10+ too

[worldly kernel]

It’s honestly just double affix the jump from a 9 to a 10 is noticeable

[boreal quartz]

such a braindead spec

[inland drift]

SEXY

[astral talon]

why play demolish when slayer does similar dps 😦

even on aoe

[boreal quartz]

bs is cringe

[cyan tusk]

Cuz it’s fun and tankier prob

[boreal quartz]

4 sec bs is cringe

[astral talon]

true

[boreal quartz]

bro demolish nearly killed me 3 times in that key

[astral talon]

lmao

[boreal quartz]

last boss mists on swirl spawn

2nd boss on vulpin (it immuned the stun pog)

[cyan tusk]

A warrior must be willing to die in a blaze of glory

[half vine]

are you even doing it right if demo doesn't almost get you killed?

[boreal quartz]

i didnt die to it

i just almost did

[half vine]

sorry, that was satire

[manic stirrup]

colossus is more aoe slayer is more st

depends on what your dps partners are

im gonna test a few talent setups tonight though so ill see if colossus can rival slayer st

[cyan tusk]

I just base it off of dungeon

Like siege feels terrible with demolish, but good with slayer imo

[latent arrow]

when do i use ss on slayer and colossus builds?

[cyan tusk]

When you need rage

Below 85 rage really

[manic stirrup]

idk i think it’s fine

[latent arrow]

i meant sweeping strikes

[boreal quartz]

also big bonus for colo

sweep is not aids during rava

[manic stirrup]

immediately as you pull on colossus

you want mbg to buff a big collateral damage

so need sweeping strikes to start early

[cyan tusk]

Yeah first two hits on demolish benefit from SS, and last is a conal cleave which is important to know

[manic stirrup]

when it has like 6 seconds left, use ravager

[vapid bay]

is there a nice colo build or should i use the wowhead one

[cyan tusk]

Go on raider.io and find gellfisk

Take his build

[cyan tusk]

Gellyfisk*

[manic stirrup]

first one for more st 2nd one for more aoe

you can switch arterial bleeds and the other talent freely in hero tree

[livid cloak]

Are paladins nutty in aoe? I got gapped by a 620 paladin hard today

[manic stirrup]

you can switch arterial bleeds and the other talent freely in hero tree with dreadnaught and strength of arms

you can switch arterial bleeds and the other talent freely in hero tree with dreadnaught and strength of arms

wtf

[livid cloak]

I was in fury, but still he cranked

[manic stirrup]

wtfwhy did that send twice

[vapid bay]

thanks a lot!

[cyan tusk]

Hard to beat ret pallys that have BIS rn

Especially as arms

[pulsar elk]

anyone know if gateway works on queen to avoid poison?

just curious

i know u can leap, blink, and demonic circle tp through it

[cyan tusk]

Which poison are you talking about

Intermission?

[kind stag]

dayum, what talent setup ya got

[outer forge]

very

[inland drift]

Which raid build for silken court? st or cleave

[unique hamlet]

should you wait to use Demolish till we have 10 stacks of CM?

[nova marsh]

Guys is it based to blame ur isp for evreything

[dire hinge]

depends if they're actually to blame or if you just have a crap modem/router

[nova marsh]

Honestly a bit of both

Century link is a p bad isp

[dire hinge]

that is true

[nova marsh]

I mean it dosen't help when your tank just randomly decides to point a frontal into meele for no reason

[dire hinge]

It's always ethically correct to bully ISPs in america that charge over $50 for gig speeds (or worse, charges more for less than gig speeds, including data caps)

but, you can have hardware issues atop that too

[nova marsh]

The worst part is when century link is the best thing in your area

[dire hinge]

trust, im from a small town in the middle of nowhere and it was a monopoly

[nova marsh]

ye it really sucks

I've seen Xfinity trucks around here setting up shop so hopefully they come out soon

Also...oddly I feel like since TWW I have been having hardware issues for some reason

lots of FPS drops

[dire hinge]

I pray you get a third option that also isn't xfinity, but i recognize you gotta take what options you can at times

[nova marsh]

Did TWW do a big leap in running requirements cuz I was fine in df

[dire hinge]

i noticed a lot of frame drops after installing some TWW quality of life auras (faster dungeon teleport UI options, profession knowlege stuff, etc). I'd look into addon performance auditing to see if that's contributing. I had a memory leak in one of them that would slowly grow from ~40mb of ram to over 1.5GB within the length of a single dungeon run, and upon removal my fps returned entirely

but also, Blizzard Chat Services and/or Cross-Faction guilds have a lot of dps-dropping bugs atm

[nova marsh]

Okay so this isn't just me a thing

I was worried I'd have to build another computer from scratch tbh

[dire hinge]

any time blizzard services restarts you'll drop frames for about 1-2 seconds, depending on how many people are currently online within your guild as it re-estabilishes connections to each person

and cross-faction guilds have another layer atop that, where there's a bug with PVP achievements and you'll get the "diplomat" achievement spam any time someone logs out of a faction of the opposite kind, then logs back in, which also drops frames briefly

[nova marsh]

That shit is incrediably annoying

[dire hinge]

there's addons that supress the achievement visual, but it still drops frames

[shadow ibex]

the frame drop thing is toxic lol

[dire hinge]

yuhhhhhhh

[shadow ibex]

like yo test ur fucking game

[dire hinge]

bricked an 11 NW the other day because of it

[nova marsh]

OOF

[dire hinge]

had chat services restart mid hook aiming

donezo

[shadow ibex]

[nova marsh]

u just got hooked and died

[dire hinge]

that's probalby a skill issue on our part, for not foreseeing i wouldn't be able to move for the next 2 seconds

[nova marsh]

I hate NW

Only fun part is the weapons

[livid cloak]

I like the first boss

Then the whole dungeon goes downhill

[nova marsh]

yeah p accurate

So

Why are we getting nerfed yet again?

[dire hinge]

we're just too strong and beautiful

[livid cloak]

Odyns roar too strong on queen, better nerf

T roar too

[dire hinge]

they've been mitigating Fury's ability to do AoE for the past few weeks, and i think Roar is indirectly just caught for Arms/Prot as well

[livid cloak]

Odins fury

Wow I cannot say things

[sharp wyvern]

someone needs to explain to me why warbreaker is so strong to get nerfed

[dire hinge]

tbf they also nerfed warbreaker (ignore typo of warbringer), and we don't even use that spell really 😅

haha yeah exactly

[livid cloak]

It's just the damage

Which is..unnecessary

The buff still applies

[sharp wyvern]

0 people use this ability we better nerf it

[livid cloak]

Colossus becoming popular, better kill it

[sharp wyvern]

demolish target cap is next

[livid cloak]

Lol

[shadow ibex]

these guys

are fucking clowns

the only thing warbreaker is special for is being uncapped

its been the whole unique thing about it for years

idk they dont play this shit

[livid cloak]

The debuff still is

Just falloff dam after 5

[sharp wyvern]

maybe they are cooking a warrior rework where uncapped warbreaker would be too strong

[shadow ibex]

ik but just we dont play warrior ever changes

[rapid bronze]

The intern in charge of warrior balancing got fired?

[tired pilot]

i mean its still uncapped

just soft capped

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/dudley-dursley-harry-potter-gif-11189703

[rapid bronze]

Why are we the only class catching actual nerfs

And secondary question why are the warrior devs complete cunts

[unique hamlet]

Can someone explain why Ravager is requested over bladestorm? I just exported the Colossus build and jumped into a key and noticed BS was replaced and through me way off

[shadow ibex]

idk

these clowns deadass dont even know the names of warrior abilities

theyve called war breaker warbringer in the past

if that isn't the perfect fuckin summation of their attitude to warrior idk what is

[rapid bronze]

Also in PvP we call it Winbringer not warbringer

[shadow ibex]

cant even be bothered to get a talent name correct

[livid cloak]

More ms and more cleaves = more demolishes

You can cleave and ms during ravager

[unique hamlet]

Touche

thanks

[short spear]

why did they make arms less fun coming into tww

[kind stag]

i cant complain arms has been fun af on colossus

[latent moss]

not playing gellys jugg build

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[short spear]

the base kit is worse to play, colossus is definitely cool to me but slayer is stronger

[devout pewter]

Its still fun, but hey personal preference huh?

ST is kinda cool, especially with shaman in group.
MT kinda meh but colossus is fun

[rapid bronze]

If you want to see what a fun hero talent looks like go play a reaper’s mark frost dk and you’ll realise how hard they phoned in both slayer and colossus

[livid cloak]

Oh really?

[kind stag]

frost DK would be more fun if it didnt have 3 different CDs or breath

[short spear]

ya breath build fdk is not a fun build to me

[rapid bronze]

Not the overall build it’s been like that since DF but the hero talent itself is bonkers fun with great visuals and insane damage

[short spear]

in terms of raw damage im sure fdk is near the top for keys

[kind stag]

breath is one thing that prevents me from playing DK

i cant stand that skill

[short spear]

might have to craft boots and belt instead of a weapon. fucking stil lstuck on veteran track belt and boots

[gusty oxide]

Another ptr dev note where warrior take yet an another slap to the face, target cap granted, but still.

[latent moss]

fury got shot

[kind stag]

so i have to lock in for arms now

[short spear]

man getting nerfed again in aoe because of raid feels really bad

i mostly play fury

[kind stag]

im about to get carried in m+ from now on

[lilac gust]

ya´ll taking in refugees?

[kind stag]

prot is that way

[nova marsh]

why do they hate us?

what did dps warrior do wrong

[kind stag]

its fine im sure warrior will eventually get op shit again

blizz just sucks at balancing tale as old as time

[nova marsh]

This feels like a strike against us

[marsh falcon]

be good for a patch

[nova marsh]

MB

[river ridge]

I'm assuming the changes are to bring the bottom tree talent choices into the damage profile (5 Targets, and than reduced vs 8 of Thunderous Roar & Warbreaker). But its weird that Warbreaker already isn't that good of a talent, and its weird that we're not getting buffs to compensate for some of these changes.

[nova marsh]

I forgot warrior has to be middle of the pack

[marsh falcon]

you arent a caster, stop expecting to be viable

[kind stag]

casting boring

[nova marsh]

Okay viable is a strong word

[marsh falcon]

racist

[kind stag]

classist

[nova marsh]

because even fire mage is techincally viable

[shadow ibex]

i love that they can look at the most inoffensive talent ever war breaker

but fatality, spiteful, battlord all still eat shit

the bottom left corner may as well not exist for arms

[nova marsh]

But it is true that wow is a caster's game

we're just all playing it

[worldly kernel]

Ight ima try collo tonight in some 10’s after raid I’ll see how I like it

[nova marsh]

So has the time come to embrace casters and reject the blade?

[kind stag]

nah

heroic leap carries this class

[nova marsh]

Just be a demon hunter

[trim pike]

why are we catching strays with these nerfs bruh

[nova marsh]

Because we commited a crime of being good for once

[unique warren]

sup

any can send me a talents?

[nova marsh]

WB getting nerfed is just ???

[nova marsh]

#dps-faq

[unique warren]

for m+

ty

[trim pike]

yeah no one was even using WB lol

[nova marsh]

I mean u do in delves

It's great there

[trim pike]

lol delves, such competitive content x)

[gritty shoal]

why skullsplitter m+?

[trim pike]

good for boss dmg

[nova marsh]

Good st

and it's always tyran in higher keys

so fuck it we ball

[gritty shoal]

exhilirating blows not better?

[nova marsh]

No?

Arms, aside from colossus, dosen't really run the MS resets

Fuck Battle lord does a better job of MS resets and it's not really run either

Even colossus dosen't really run the MS resets unfortauntely

[short spear]

i am kinda curious why they nerfed the aoe softcap of warbreaker, it couldnt possibly be doing enough damage on its hit to matter to the point of a nerf

its main purpose is just the damage amp

[shadow ibex]

just kneejerk silly shit

ctrl F 8

[nova marsh]

Arms isn't even doing that good in keys like lmao

Idk ig they saw "well if we nerf fury we gotta nerf arms too

[short spear]

funny enough fdk is barely touched but they are so freakin strong rn

[nova marsh]

FDK is literally stronger then us

even techincally got buffed with the shattering blade fix....I think?

[short spear]

they run breath

idk if shattering blade is used with breath idk how their talents work

[kind stag]

ill rather play nerfed fury than fdk

breath can suck it

[kind stag]

actually impossible to have fun with

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[nova marsh]

Just reroll ret

They're having a great time

[kind stag]

except there is 2 billion of them already

[nova marsh]

Demolish?

[kind stag]

i make a group for a key and its 80% rets

[marsh falcon]

yeah but only 5 of them are adults with functioning brains

[kind stag]

applying

[kind stag]

we in warrior discord brother none of us functioning here

[marsh falcon]

my brain works, not well, but it works

[kind stag]

zugzug

[latent moss]

slayer mortal strike on a valdrakken dummy

[nova marsh]

I have adhd and heard the call of the zug

[latent moss]

[nova marsh]

So I must zug

[nova marsh]

oh lmao

Imagine they nerf IFTK

[slow saddle]

Why this?

[nova marsh]

Because blizz saw us doing good for once

[marsh falcon]

cause fk u for picking warrior

[nova marsh]

and said "LMAO NO"

[sharp wyvern]

to many people played warbreaker

so they nerfed it

[nova marsh]

All 3 of them

[slow saddle]

Mainly the roar?

[shadow ibex]

blizzard typed ctrl f

[nova marsh]

The roar nerf is so stupid

[shadow ibex]

thats it

dude they cant even be bothered to get the fuckin talent name right

[slow saddle]

Wanna make us play spear?

[latent moss]

to shoot fury in the head

[shadow ibex]

you think they know wtf they doing w warrior

[latent moss]

cause it cant be good

fury cant be good in raid ever

[sharp wyvern]

is this how arms is gonna get to use spear ?

[remote ledge]

Where do you see the nerfs?

[latent moss]

murder it

[tropic flower]

yo im something of an arms player myself

hello fellow arms players

[kind stag]

[slow saddle]

Its in the beta what evee thing

I just dont c any reason why it must scale at 5 instead of 8

[nova marsh]

I mean at least spear isn't as bad as DF and shadowlan ds

[slow saddle]

Shadowlands spear was better

Mikanokos

Made spear fun

[rapid bronze]

The thing I’m confused about is why we are the only class catching significant nerfs

[sharp wyvern]

standing in spear was nice

now its just a different looking non moving ravager

[slow saddle]

45 sec spear thay did big dmg😅

Was nice

[nova marsh]

Because blizz took a single minded fury to nerfing us for daring to be decent

warrior dps is either F tier or blizz is salty

[sharp wyvern]

ST arms still ok

w

[slow saddle]

I mean wont change.much in raid. But did we rly need am m+ nerf??

[nova marsh]

Next they'll nerf bladestorm

again

[rapid bronze]

It won’t make much of a difference at all it’s just the principle of it. Like why

[sharp wyvern]

they have to if they want to nerf pad

[nova marsh]

Just do it by another 58% and it's back to DF BS

[remote ledge]

Can you link the blue post I don't find it? It's crazy arms is getting hit

[sharp wyvern]

maybe they revert unhinged to its old form

[nova marsh]

OH NO

[sharp wyvern]

killing slayer

[nova marsh]

And bs in general

[sharp wyvern]

its the only thing they can nerf if aoe dmg is to high in their opinion

[shadow ibex]

did ret or frost dk get nerfed

lol

[sharp wyvern]

what do you think

[nova marsh]

no

[shadow ibex]

thats the funny shit

how does arms get a 10% BS nerf

[slow saddle]

I would play col spear if ms was big enough🤣

[sharp wyvern]

spear + demolish crit

[slow saddle]

Yeah

[fossil mantle]

yo wtf, why are we getting another nerf

[nova marsh]

Blizz really wants us to reroll

[slow saddle]

Gamba roll

[fossil mantle]

the hell is this bullshit

[remote ledge]

Where can we actually call this bs out

[kind stag]

my warrior is neatly stacked i cant reroll no more

[sharp wyvern]

at least this nerf is only bad for mass aoe

[fossil mantle]

who in their right mind thought "Ah yes arms, they are wayyyy too strong right now, especially their AOE"

[kind stag]

im too casual to grind out to 610 in a week

[fossil mantle]

Retri is literally op every damn patch and all they see are updates and reworks, fuck this man

[slow saddle]

This is the issue with having a class tree

[nova marsh]

Paladin is blizzard's child

Warrior is the neglected step son

[slow saddle]

Nono rets are just good at sandbagging

[sharp wyvern]

guys what if they want to nerf all close range melee specs so no one realizes how fucked the dungeons are designed for melee in the MDI so teams only take ret

[nova marsh]

Or the middle child

[sharp wyvern]

i think im on to something

[nova marsh]

MDI teams take meele?

No shot

[slow saddle]

Same

[sharp wyvern]

ret uses magic dmg

and is ranged

[slow saddle]

Mby ret coz utility

[nova marsh]

Ret's a fake meele

[kind stag]

yeh but you gotta be in melee range on ret

[nova marsh]

Dosen't count

[kind stag]

your autos be buildin holy powa

[fossil rampart]

It said on the patch notes sweeping strikes has a procchance update from 0 to 101? Anyone know what that's about?

[nova marsh]

Probally them preparing to nerf sweeping to 50%

[slow saddle]

Hear me out the ms nerf gets.reverted

[marsh falcon]

ret players are fake humans

dont count

[nova marsh]

No they'll nerf it again by another 15%

[sharp wyvern]

no we need more MS multipliers

[slow saddle]

🤣, prob and then give a better multiplyer

[fossil mantle]

no no, we cant have MS dealing more dmg than a final verdict. The nerfs will continue until morale improves

[nova marsh]

They'll buff all MS multipliers

Ret stole all it's ideas from warrior anyways

[slow saddle]

Only ms multiplier should be ep!

[sharp wyvern]

gonna give us a talent that increases final verdict dmg for a nearby ret

[slow saddle]

Or make the op one 10%

[nova marsh]

They're gonna buff MP to 100%

[waxen pumice]

Ret main, coming in to check on yall

[nova marsh]

And then remove tactican from the game

[slow saddle]

I hate mp%

[nova marsh]

Get out of here fake meele

Go talk to the mages

(I'm kidding hi)

[sharp wyvern]

go back to your 17 yards

[waxen pumice]

If yall need key carries I got you ❤️

[sharp wyvern]

only in ST

[normal marsh]

I’m so sad fury getting nerfed, quite liked being the edgy unloved arms warrior player

[kind stag]

unloved warrior player

[normal marsh]

Hey man people love prot

[sharp wyvern]

do they ?

[kind stag]

lets be real people will take veng dhs, bears and bloods over prots any day

[normal marsh]

I mean if they hate prot you probably don’t want to play with them

[remote ledge]

Where do you find those hot fixes?

[normal marsh]

They’ll be the same people who think you need an Aug for 10s

[quick vale]

They want us to play prot

[sharp wyvern]

prot doesnt have a magic dmg buff

useless tank

[nova marsh]

no they don't want us to play prot

[quick vale]

Making it impossible to get invited to M+ without a shield on your hand

[nova marsh]

they want to nerf arms and fury into the ground so we reroll

and bring up the ret numbers

[quick vale]

I’ll be staying arms out of pure spite now

[sharp wyvern]

no blizz wants to get all these fotm rerollers of of warrior so they can buff it later on for the real ones

[kind stag]

THE PLAN

[nova marsh]

See that'd be big brain

[kind stag]

believe

[nova marsh]

That's not blizzard

[gilded abyss]

We're like one of the worst DPS in keys now lmao

[nova marsh]

Holy shit going that far

[sharp wyvern]

so its working you say

[nova marsh]

no I'll go further: we're a pvp spec

[fossil mantle]

Ye and the good thing is now they can say its not all about dps, we go shockwave back so its all about that utility we bring

[kind stag]

for now

:D

[nova marsh]

I ACCEPT MY MEME STATUS

[sharp wyvern]

remember when the worst part of warrior was shockwave being a key stone

[nova marsh]

I ALWAYS WAS ONE!

And the rage econ

And BS doing no damage

And MS doing no damage

[kind stag]

idc man im not a mythic raider really and i dont push for 3k rating usually so honestly i dont stress

[quick vale]

We’ve been through darker days. Reroll colossus and take the dopamine hit from the big numbers.

[sharp wyvern]

MS just needs more multipliers and its fixed

[kind stag]

maybe first few mythic bosses thats it

[sharp wyvern]

[nova marsh]

Look

If I can main Warrior through CN I can main warrior through anything

[sharp wyvern]

raid buff do be nice

[nova marsh]

A druid brings a better one thou

[sharp wyvern]

but in a raid you want it

[nova marsh]

And remeber this is a caster's world

[sharp wyvern]

not talking about m+

[normal marsh]

Yeah I mena you can easily play arms to like 2.7 as is, people doom n gloom but nothing is unplayably bad for waryas rn

[unique warren]

why blizz nerfing arms and other warriors?

lol

[nova marsh]

Because they hate us

[sharp wyvern]

do you think blizz cant have us doing lots of dmg cause of how valuable rally is ?

[normal marsh]

War breaker the talent we definitely have played with for months

[nova marsh]

You mean AFTER THEY NERFED IT?

[sharp wyvern]

i wouldnt be surprised if they think rally is good

[unique warren]

lets demolish blizz

!!!

[nova marsh]

Into the GROUND

[kind stag]

ye

[slow saddle]

Ngl shadowlands rally was INSANE

[nova marsh]

I can't wait to be told I'm trollingplaing warrior again

And that warrior is the worst class in the game

[sharp wyvern]

talking m+?

[kind stag]

my brother tells me that every day

[slow saddle]

I means seems mid atm🤣

[kind stag]

he despises warriors

[normal marsh]

Let them tell you that then do top damage end of key, stay large mr warrior

[sharp wyvern]

warrior is always decent in raid

[nova marsh]

Yes for keys

[slow saddle]

Good at prog

Bad at reclears

[raven talon]

Nothing will come close to Arms in ToS

[nova marsh]

CN begs t differ

[sharp wyvern]

i mean in keys it has always been shit its just part of the warrior fantasy

*identity

[kind stag]

i like warrior for how mobile and cool it is, also leap and charg are just too good, but i admit i couldve picked a better class since i mainly play m+

[nova marsh]

Go frost and breathe stank breath on evreyone

[slow saddle]

Fury had some times where it twas.nice

[sharp wyvern]

2 weeks ago yes

[slow saddle]

Not good but nice🤣

[sharp wyvern]

[kind stag]

would have never quit playing havoc if i didnt have to play inertia or momentum

[kind stag]

i cant physically stand breath

[slow saddle]

Nah shadowlands with first strike

Aa

Blam aggro dead

[sharp wyvern]

its funny how fury always starts of strong every tier and then falls of into the abyss

[slow saddle]

Nerfs off

U mean

[sharp wyvern]

its the same shit every time since vault

nerfs because blizz doesnt realize that tierset and gearscaling are a thing

[slow saddle]

If target nerf to of makes em buff it more for st

[sharp wyvern]

they rather nerf it before people have tier

[slow saddle]

So its always chosen i like

[nova marsh]

it's okay fury will die off entirely in 2 weeks

when evreyone has tier

[sharp wyvern]

doesnt everony have tier now ?

[nova marsh]

the nerfs and fury trying once again at having the worst tier set humanly possible have decreed it as so

[kind stag]

genuinely considering shelving my fury rn, arms is fun and at least its ST is "ok" with AoE being "ehhh"

[nova marsh]

I don't and a lot of others don't either lo

[kind stag]

furys ST is just sad

[sharp wyvern]

at least mythic logs should

[nova marsh]

Well yeah

[kind stag]

0/4

[nova marsh]

But this is mythic logs still extremely close to the RTWF

[sharp wyvern]

ok im blinded by split run loot

[livid cloak]

my arms sims like 60k? ahead of my fury in pure ST, it's not a ton

[sharp wyvern]

i just thought with the 2k rating thing and 2 catalyst charges everyone should be at 3/4

[livid cloak]

like 1.2 mil vs 1.14

[nova marsh]

The omega degens are still in mythic mainly

[nova marsh]

this boldly assumes evreyone has 2k

[sharp wyvern]

with this new rating system