arms

[latent moss]

pack 10 seconds later

3 mil

[narrow dust]

so the sims r fine?

[smoky kayak]

if you have it socketed, yes

[narrow dust]

ty

[smoky kayak]

the trinket is also pretty poop tbh though

[sharp tendon]

Frost dk is not so fun to play and they will get nerfs wait after first race

[nova marsh]

Frost dk is up my ally

But I just don't wonna level

[stray mango]

They got nerfed didnt they? Before the season started.

[smoky kayak]

well we all know you can't play anything after its been nerfed

[sharp tendon]

Yeh but seems not enough furry got nerfd but they can still do crazy dmg like paladins

[strange perch]

will you please adopt me and provide me with a father figure

[sharp tendon]

I like to play warrior dps furry and raid more arms if i think to switch after a hour i always go back to warrior

[strange perch]

i cry

[smoky kayak]

sorry I was just about to leave for the store

[strange perch]

WE HAVE ENOUGH MILK

[sharp tendon]

Warriors just need some good reworks to make stuff interesting again

[strange perch]

You know what the most fun way to play warrior is? Pick 1v1s with really zesty frost mages and experience true joy

[stray mango]

Just need to be like legion again

[sharp tendon]

Did not rly main warrior

[strange perch]

tbf, spell reflect is one of the coolest abilities ing-pvp imo

[sharp tendon]

Pve also sometimes

[strange perch]

timing that on a fatty bolter is super juice

or an MC

you can SR a death coil ye?

[nova marsh]

Technically both dps warrior specs DID get nerfed so

Ig it's time to reroll

[river ridge]

Bring me a peach redbull thx ❤️

[nova marsh]

Ret time

[strange perch]

Peach? really? this is an interesting and uncommon favorite

the fuzz on peaches makes me feel some type of way

[zenith crystal]

This is why people make fun of arms players

[elfin violet]

Guys has anyone tried the Imperfect Ascendacy serum with the cast time? If i macro it with Demolish and i have no GCD on cooldown they get cast together

[strange perch]

agreed

[terse osprey]

Legion warriors were fun!

[stray mango]

Life in legion were more fun.

[terse osprey]

Agreed

[bronze sand]

does the unhinged talent get effected from sweeping strikes?

[leaden oracle]

no. used to but not anymore

[bronze sand]

damn alright ty

[terse osprey]

Idk even if they nerf war i'll prob still play it

[bronze sand]

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-strong-0p1sf-gif-20906166

[vocal gust]

WIll Hekili take tierset bonus into consideration for rotation help?

I'd imagine with 4 piece you'd be throwing more Mortal Strikes more often.

[vagrant ridge]

Hey guys, quick question regarding AoE / m+. When opening, thunder clap -> Roar -> cleave -> ss + Ava + CS, is it worth to slam skullsplitter pre bladestorm to get it on cd?

[grave mulch]

So I know Transmitter sims well for us but is it really annoying to use? especially when moving? Is it just better to farm Brood sac instead dude to there being no complex play with it?

[leaden oracle]

well ideally youd run transmitter and sacbrood together, the ansurek trinket or mark of khadros from GB are good substitutes if you dont want to use transmitter

[leaden oracle]

Sks right after BS

[grave mulch]

I was looking at Sac brood and queens mandate

[leaden oracle]

ye thats good

[vagrant ridge]

Cheers 👍🏻 been running some arms for my GB spam to reduce apm, but arms got nearly as high apm as Fury

[grave mulch]

My train of thought is . If CDS line up pop transmitter. then the boss moves then say if i have to sit on the platform it provides then i lost DPS due to waiting or something

[vagrant ridge]

Longer bladestorm is the only difference really

[vagrant ridge]

Or you cant see it because of 100 particles / pers / players / large boss Model

Or it spawns in poison pools / web

[grave mulch]

^^^ that or alot of people ontop

[vagrant ridge]

Or the orb which is impossible to see

And then it flies out of bounds

[leaden oracle]

i havent gotten my own transmitter to play around with but lots of people have success with it. there is likely a getting used to it curve

[vagrant ridge]

Just a shit trinke to use in general, i tried the first 3 mythic bosses with it snd just gave up

[grave mulch]

Sims great on papaer but putting it into play is a new kettle of fish

[halcyon breach]

You get used to using it yes. Keep in mind the ball/pad always spawns front right of where you're looking, so preplan that for when you're gonna use it

Some fights it can be awkward on, bit generally it's not bad

[vagrant ridge]

Didnt know that, very userul

Thought it was fully random. This allow you to spawn it in a better position

[worldly kernel]

Hero track sac aquired

[sturdy plank]

hi guys. i'm currently testing some Colossus. I am using SkS on CD or? And demolish only with 10 stacks?! Does demolish benefit from SS? or from other CD's? Like CS or others.

[shy dagger]

Is there a wa to track the execute buffs? I was spaming them on sd procs but i just read: execute with three stacks of Marked for Execution, two stacks of Sudden Death, or to refresh Juggernaut

[strange perch]

[manic stirrup]

sks on cd, demolish on cd as well, yes it benefits from ss

if youre starting from 0, hopefully you have ravager up to get you a few stacks

[arctic hearth]

u get 2 stacks when sweeping? (for demo)

[leaden oracle]

you can make some yourself. If you already have a Execute WA, you can add 3 triggers for MFE, SD, and Jugg and have it load when any of those trigger

at their respective stacks/duration left ofc

[manic stirrup]

yes

[worldly kernel]

Yeah we were doing 9’a and 10’s for some guildies last night, ara Kara last dungeon and I managed to snag it, my two trinkets were adventurer trinkets lol

[sturdy plank]

it benefits from CS too? and thank you

[manic stirrup]

yes

[strange perch]

thats fatty boggers tbh

hero track sac

it even rolls off the tongue well

[sturdy plank]

ok thanks man

[worldly kernel]

Saccramento my boi

[arctic hearth]

Dreadnaught vs strengt of arms as colo?

[worldly kernel]

Yeah we got a hero track skarmarac and sacbrood for the group and our mage got a spymasters so we got a huge damage boost

Just hoping my vault has a myth track wep

[arctic hearth]

think i read they are pretty similar?

[safe parrot]

wanted to ask folks about their takes on ignore pain and fueled by violence, cant decide which to use...

[wanton sierra]

fellow north american servers arms, i wish very good luck on vault!! they say if you burst in front of vault you shall get an BIS gear for sure

[latent moss]

transmitter is turbo cancer to play

its simming very close to skarmorak/mark of khadros

and id argue its prob a loss in real situations since u are a) delaying ur cds cause u have to stand in a fucking circle for 3 seconds b) delaying ur cds cause u have to fucking jump 3 times c) delaying ur cds cause u have to find the fucking orb

either way u are delaying cds and losing uptime

in m+

in raid its even worse

cause there are more mechanics and less room to play around

honestly i would just send mandate + mark of khadros/skarmorak

in all content

macro it to avatar and forget

[latent moss]

why not craft one

and the worst part about transmitter

is inconsistency

[manic stirrup]

its really not that bad at all

[acoustic birch]

Amen

[manic stirrup]

it always spawns to your front right

if its an orb or circle

use it just as youre about to pull so tank has a second to group

[acoustic birch]

Mark of khadros set it and forget it baby

[latent moss]

i dont want to think about where is it gonna spawn for 5 more dps

i agree it's not that bad and u can play around it

its just annoying

[acoustic birch]

Is it really that close tho? What’s the actually difference?

[latent moss]

sim it yourself

for me its pretty much tied

[wanton sierra]

i got khadros, skarmorak, ara-kara, madqueen mandates and some delve champion trinks

currently im wearing khadros and ara-kara

but madqueen mandate on ingra maloch (mists) slaps real hard

[dire hinge]

IP got nerfed a bit and is "stackable", but takes a bit of rage and forethought to prepare ahead of time. Generally it's fine to just do whichever one you prefer. FBV is entirely passive so you don't have to manage it, while Ignore Pain can help you live through extremely large, single hits if used correctly.

[wanton sierra]

played mists and mad queen mandate represented around 5% my total da,m

[worldly kernel]

I have the crests for a 636 weapon I’m just waiting to see what’s in my vault before I invest that many crests into a weapon

Or whatever the highest crafting ilvl is

[fringe moon]

it is a sad day..

[worldly kernel]

That’s the gb one yeah ?

[fringe moon]

yeah. It's the dragon that makes you drop a pool of death

[worldly kernel]

Did they change the damage at least?

[safe parrot]

i see, so its basically a preference for on use against a passive trait...what would be your suggestion be? im primarily a raider who does mythics occasionally, mostly just for vaults

[manic stirrup]

the true ethical gamer uses ignore pain

but i dont thats too much work

if i were pushing wf level keys

i would bc youd start to die without it

[wanton sierra]

damn

[fringe moon]

it's great when a pug drops all the pools on top of the stairs on the 1st pull and somebody dies to the dragon roar and keeps dying trying to run back to the group, lol

[dire hinge]

honestly im just running the passive, if i start consistently dying i'd consider swapping as needed

[safe parrot]

Thank you for your input

[serene hollow]

throwback to arms using ignore pain on cd for dps

dumb af but boi was arms tanky

[dire hinge]

despised it

[wanton sierra]

you would garantee tactician proc, 40 rage ip i think... not as defensive as they say... and besides, whhen burstin you will overcap rage anyway

[latent moss]

if u raid go weapon

[minor gust]

Some pretty good M+ tuning coming at reset

SOB raiders no longer hooking you through los is great

[dire hinge]

i wasn't aware that was a thing until a pug tank tried to LoS that pack before the first boss back, and we just got yanked through the terrain

[wild kernel]

Does IP reduce the damage of a hit by 50% regardless or only to the point where the shield is used up?
I’m having trouble seeing the point on arms because it seems like the IP just gets blown through instantly and can’t really be stacked with that cooldown

[teal fossil]

The latter

It’s definitely not very good this patch

[terse osprey]

Damn how long is this maintanance gonna go for?

[wild kernel]

Damn, that’s unfortunate. Hopefully the balance carousel comes around to it soon

[worldly kernel]

12pst

IP still nice to have on some encounters just for some mitigation

[terse osprey]

its almost 2pm here lol

[worldly kernel]

Ye I’m on pst time but I don’t wfh so I gotta wait until 3 lol

[terse osprey]

Im east time so

[arctic hearth]

@ silken court normal - decent spec as colo or would u swap something?

[boreal quartz]

you wanna juggernaut

you can blunt instruments

[arctic hearth]

yeah just cant decide what i remove for jugg

[boreal quartz]

you have bloodsurge** in there

[reef glade]

Yea def no warbreaker ever

[boreal quartz]

like ur build looks turbo awful ngl

[silk spade]

def remove bloodsurge

[boreal quartz]

play full st drop bb for sweep/cleave

[reef glade]

I think dropping 1 bb and that other surge one for both jugg yeah

[arctic hearth]

ok removed surge and bloodletting for jugg

[reef glade]

And not sure if you wanna get extended sweep avatar talent

but prolly not as good to drop stuff there for that

[arctic hearth]

and got blunt

[arctic hearth]

could drop spell reflect

[boreal quartz]

and ideally be slayer

idk

[arctic hearth]

nvm cant

[silk spade]

dont remove bloodletting phil is high

he typo'd

[arctic hearth]

yeah ofc anything is betetr than this

i just wanna try as colo

[reef glade]

Cleave ew

do you cleave 2t?

[boreal quartz]

yes

[reef glade]

ain’t no way

[boreal quartz]

also adds n reaping storm

cleave>slam if ss is down

[reef glade]

Is sks even worth shit without bb

[arctic hearth]

what can i remove to get bloodletting ?

[boreal quartz]

1 in BB

[reef glade]

Blood borne

[silk spade]

1bb probably

[boreal quartz]

also dont be an idiot like me and link a build with dn

thats bad

SOA better

[arctic hearth]

ty for replies

[silk spade]

what's dn

[arctic hearth]

dreadnaught

[silk spade]

pretty sure it's deez nuts

[arctic hearth]

gotem!

[minor gust]

DN is so fucking bad still. I was coping on beta it would be better when they fixed op talents not working with it

[teal fossil]

Did they end up fixing it

[minor gust]

Pretty sure they did

Would have to have Archi confirm

[arctic hearth]

the fury was 1 ilvl below me

im 609 with 619 wep and kinda meh trinkets. fucked up a fair bit (did 2 m+ before i tried this

barely did dmg to adds tho, ppl kited them away 😒

[old urchin]

I’m not sure if it’s worth but I can’t stand it in keys. I drop it for EB (playing colossus)

[ebon hollow]

does anyone else have giga fps problems lately?

no matter if in Dornogal or a dungeon and idk why

[dire hinge]

i'd try disabling all of your addons and seeing if it continues

i had a memory leak in an addon i had installed that slowly grew from 100mb to over 1.8gb of memory within an hour, had to remove it

[ebon hollow]

which addon was that ?

[night vale]

could anyone recommend some higher-end m+ playing arms warrior streamer/yt creator? Its my first xpac as warrior and I find the aoe prio a tad confusing so it would be cool to see how the pros do it 😛

[ebon hollow]

Critcake is usually a god warrior streamer, but idk if he plays arms or fury rn

prolly both

[ebon hollow]

i updated my elvui and it seems to be gone, my latest update before was only last week tho

[bronze sand]

if you do both M+ and raid should you use Duskthread Lining instead of Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension for wep embellishment?

seems like it'll be pretty tough to get Ascension to not fall off in keys

[minor gust]

If you do both craft the weapon

Raid prog is more important than M+ early key IO is not important

[bronze sand]

gotcha, and Ascension is what we use for the wep correct?

[minor gust]

Yes

[bronze sand]

ok ty

[latent moss]

ah hell na

top 3 most busted defensives in the game

[hard kernel]

im so cooked boys. no weapon.

[manic river]

Are heroics items in the vault from 610?

[opal kelp]

623

[gaunt owl]

craft it and grab neck piece ?

[hard kernel]

I dont have 2 sparks.

I opted into cloak/bracers

[subtle brook]

quite the conundrum

[manic river]

I meant hero ilvl sorry

[remote ledge]

I dropped the wep from boralus in +9 and I haven't crafted anything. What do you guys advice me to craft? I love colossus

I want it to be bis for m+, idc about raiding

[latent moss]

raid ascension

m+ duskthread

ascension goes on weapon

[remote ledge]

Okay thank you, updated too late

[latent moss]

duskthread wherever

low impact pieces

like bracers cloak

feet

etc

[junior beacon]

Read the FAQs on M+ talents but noticed on Archon that it seems like a pretty even split for Colossus and Slayer, anyone here have a strong pref? I know I saw Arch in here earlier talking about Slayer being on paper better still

[manic river]

Those stats on the locket 👀

[remote ledge]

But must be 636 or should I do lower ilvl?

[latent moss]

636

90 gilded crests

[manic river]

People are probably going to tell you they prefer Slayer most of the time but colosus ins't bad for M+

ST however not as much

Slayer is tuned slightly higher for now, although Colosus is getting some small buffs on the next patch I think

That +20% damage to the first hits on demolish is goint to be nice with SS

[remote ledge]

Thanks for fast and to the point answer

[latent moss]

[junior beacon]

That's what I thought. I seem to be mostly keeping up with damage but wanted to see if people were genuinely "making the switch" so to speak. Thanks!

[opal kelp]

focusing on crit? How much do you have now?

[manic river]

Colosus for what I've seen myself (not that much experience with it) is a bit more "inconsistent" in the sense that you have more ups and downs depending on what CDs you have up at the time, charged demolish etc, your cleaves do a lot of damage tho

[remote ledge]

Not enough, i have haste neck and a haste ring, unbuffed im around 6500-7000 iirc

[manic river]

Slayer has a smoother damage profile

Also if you like big Bladestoms Slayer is the one using it, Colosus uses Ravager, which gives you more free time cleaving and such

[remote ledge]

Oh just thinking about it, if I plan on crafting bracers, should I go and uppgrzde my hero wep to max? Since I'm not getting a better one soon most likely

[manic river]

Now that I think about it, I have a question for you arms peeps, when some of you don't take cleave..... do you use whirlwind?

I remember using it a lot in DF with the fervor build but now has been forgotten

[manic stirrup]

whirlwind is so dogass

its not even worth pressing

maybe over slam in aoe

but just do st st that point

[manic river]

Funny because outside from the DF tier set dedicated to cleave it was that one who got forgotten in the previous expansion

[remote ledge]

Things come and go

[subtle brook]

do I go BIS belt or tert good neck? is the vers-on-heal-neck eclipsing it? (if I ever win it)

[boreal quartz]

Neither is BIS as it's HC track innit

[manic stirrup]

love vault day

[past abyss]

does anyone abble to share Echo Revvez's weak auras ?

[latent moss]

ig yeah idk

[fast wharf]

treacherous transmitter in vault, ig im doing minigames midfight

[unique hamlet]

Do people really not run cleave?

[subtle brook]

unrelated to warr but my Enh got the worst vault of all time

[manic stirrup]

you should in all aoe builds

[manic stirrup]

lol

[boreal quartz]

me when i complain

[safe comet]

https://gyazo.com/a8a135a8db8c8fbadb93818050fa9041

Vault coming in clutch

Or I could take 610 tier helm and craft 619 tier shoulders and have 4 piece, but I think the neck is much harder to get

[cedar talon]

is macroing slam to charge okay^

[smoky kayak]

you got another catalyst charge this week btw

I'd take neck

[safe comet]

Oh yeah, we do get another. Neck it is

[past abyss]

Guyz, can anyone share Echo Revvez's Arms/Fury WA. Cant find it

[gaunt owl]

go sub to him

pretty sure its one of his perks

[manic stirrup]

jesus what a selection

[boreal quartz]

incredible

[manic stirrup]

if i didnt have champion neck and cloak

would be one of the worst vaults ever conceived

[boreal quartz]

isnt the neck in the BIS sim

no wait im trippin

[manic stirrup]

YOOO BIS NECK

[boreal quartz]

cape after reclear

ig

[manic stirrup]

i try to finesse neck from raid

to go bracers

craft cloak

[boreal quartz]

i mean u start with HC rare neck

or mythic (ideally)

and then also rip cloak from sikran and wrist from some other shit

into socket ur myth tier head or some shit

[limpid oxide]

How in the world is Quickwick Candlestick simming higher for me than Sacbrood trinket at same ilvl

in an AOE Slayer build

[fair topaz]

Haste buff gives you more bleed damage and more cleaves within your unhinged window

[limpid oxide]

sheesh, bloodmallet has it ranked mid-tier too. Didn't take that into acct

[shadow ibex]

pretty awful vault ngl

normal to heroic tier legs or a meathook

[gaunt owl]

unlucky

[shadow ibex]

meathook beating one of current trinkets at least

ritual knife so hot tho

best for sim is pants tho

[night vale]

May be a dumb question, but do I ever bladestorm during sweeping strikes on multi target?

[boreal quartz]

if it comes up during ye

[shadow ibex]

yes

maximizing sweeping globals isnt super a thing

[shadow ibex]

tbh shoulda had 2 mythic slots but spent a lot of time wiping on first boss cuz people eating his circle or charge

[night vale]

Okk, so let's say we make a big first pull. I pop the CDs, go SS -> Cleave -> op -> bladestorm? Basically just follow the prio no matter what?

[shadow ibex]

just gtfo the big fuckin purple jawn its not a buff surprisingly plz

[night vale]

Just wondering if there are any optimizations there

[shadow ibex]

yes

[night vale]

Cool, thanks!

[shadow ibex]

you'd OP twice technically

[night vale]

Ah true 👍

[shadow ibex]

is APL 5 target opener

it cleaves and OPs until it cant anymore

sweeping is up

[fair topaz]

In this specific scenario I would recommend dotting up the pack with thunderclap, maybe tossing in a shockwave and saving SS for after bladestorm

[boreal quartz]

apl is not trying to burst

remember that for m+

[shadow ibex]

few seconds before

[boreal quartz]

its going max long ass sustain

in keys id just rip bs

[shadow ibex]

i guess depends on level

at the lower end yea delaying BS = mobs are dead before you get to it

because the ret pally just casted 78 divine storms or w/e the fuck those losers do

[marsh falcon]

He spittin fr

[unique hamlet]

SoA>Dreadnaught?

[fair topaz]

Dreadnaught is very disappointing unless you have big pulls in high keys where mobs live forever, prio damage of SoA is pretty crazy

[unique hamlet]

Thanks, king

[night vale]

Would you CS pre bladestorm or with SS?

[fair topaz]

If you are pulling a pack where a lot of small trash will die quickly, I would save CS for after BS so it cleaves onto a bigger mob. I would only CS pre bladestorm if you have one big prio target you want to kill asap

[night vale]

Makes sense, thanks again!

[manic stirrup]

wonder how much mastery needed to make deep wounds #1

[woven wasp]

an infinite amount because thats not how mastery works anymore

[manic stirrup]

no no

think about it

[gaunt owl]

the bleed benefit from mastery

just doesnt scale from it like in BFA

not sure if it makes sense

[manic stirrup]

think about it though

[zealous hazel]

do we get spark of omen this week?

[shadow ibex]

Yes

I wish colossus could play BS

Or just no ravager

Too bad that bottom left side of the tree is

[astral talon]

i prefer ravager over bs xD

i wish we could have like 45s cd ravager for slayer

[shadow ibex]

need fatality removed

so we can put some other shit there

[latent moss]

something for aoe

[shadow ibex]

rn its the opposite of free real estate its land we have to pay for

even tho we dont use it

[latent moss]

replace positions of fatality and blord

[cunning sleet]

I was checking some high rio arms warriors, and it seems like some use colossus instead of slayer. What is the tradeof, generally? Isn't slayer higher damage but lower burst?

[latent moss]

and rework fatality into something aoe

[latent moss]

week 1 m+

people trying shit

colossus has more aoe/trash damage

slayer fucks on st

slayer has singificantly more st than colossus in m+

[shadow ibex]

colossus ST is carried by mad queen mandate

[cunning sleet]

Intresting, I thought slayer had higher dps in aoe as well, but much less bursty

[latent moss]

slayer is weak in aoe for both warriors

"weak"

weaker than the other 2

[fair topaz]

I have a hunch that battlelord and colossus as a whole will be more viable when we have more crit and the cooldowns of demolish and CS will align due to constant mortal strike crits

[safe parrot]

so it looks like my choice is down to a heroic track key to the unseeming ring or a champion track mad queen's mandate...im leaning towards the ring since it goes further, its bis for 1 slot, and harder to get...what do you guys think?

[cunning sleet]

Intresting. Thanks.

[latent moss]

not true unfortunately

at least not with full bis idk havent tried 70% crit xd

[cunning sleet]

What does arms offer for m+ that fury doesn't? If someone wanted to push m+, should they always play fury?

[shadow ibex]

style

[fair topaz]

When I say more viable I mean in future patches where we have a lot more crit

[latent moss]

not true

tuning is just low

for colossus

[shadow ibex]

thats fine but in a seasonal game idc about something strong in future patches

[latent moss]

slayer got massive tuning

100% slayer strike

both exe talents 50%

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/its-not-fucking-real-its-not-real-elemental-chart-wolf-of-wall-street-gif-1533739112643931815

[latent moss]

colossus got giga nerfed

[fair topaz]

[minor gust]

at the same time colossus got giga nerfed

[latent moss]

colossus got kneecapped with that 15% ms nerf

and then shot with that 5% precise strikes nerf

[cunning sleet]

Maybe it's for the best, isn't it really clunky?

[manic stirrup]

no

[latent moss]

the only reason its clunky

[cunning sleet]

I tried it in delves a couple of times, if shit moves it break sinstantly

[latent moss]

"clunky"

is cause blunt instruments is clunky

in aoe

[shadow ibex]

its fuckin ass to use

dont let them gaslight

[latent moss]

aoe arms is clunky on both cause of blunt instruments

[cunning sleet]

wtf is that

[fair topaz]

We got handicapped by our own succes in the prepatch, arms was insanely busted and we got punished before the expansion dropped

[minor gust]

I finally did a colossus key

[cunning sleet]

Ah I see what it is

[latent moss]

busted cause of tierset

[minor gust]

tbh it doesnt feel clunky at all

[latent moss]

it doesnt

i just hate how low rage is

[minor gust]

only annoying thing is demolish stopping your auto atk

[latent moss]

compared to slayer

[latent moss]

it doesnt even stop

if u demo during aa

it munches it completely

xd

[minor gust]

yeah feels bad

[cunning sleet]

So the consensus is that style is the only reason to play arms in m+ instead of fury? Crazy suff

Stuff

[manic stirrup]

play what you like

[minor gust]

huh?

[manic stirrup]

theyre close enough it doesnt matter

[minor gust]

both are good you will perform well if you are good at the game on either

play whats more fun

[cunning sleet]

I mean, I understand that but I think people would be less likely to inv someone playing something "suboptimal"

[manic stirrup]

nobody cares what dps warrior spec youre playing

[minor gust]

have high ilvl and good io and its not an issue

[cunning sleet]

The guy I was talking to clearly did, saying fury had more defensives and self healing and etc etc

[minor gust]

I have 0 issues getting into keys rn

[fair topaz]

Fury has more burst aoe damage and shines in lower keys, arms shines for boss/priority damage and higher keys where the bleeds get to work their magic

[cunning sleet]

I see, cool.

[shadow ibex]

arms looks cool

you can have ppl ask if arms is actually good or are u just built diff

[fast wharf]

it seemed to me that as colossus you will end hating your tanks more than what most melee players already do

[manic stirrup]

arms has more defensives

with ip

[fair topaz]

At least we have an excuse when we are not on top of the dps meter

[latent moss]

warpaint

[shadow ibex]

i feel like the stamina from fury might be more effective health than an IP press as well

[manic stirrup]

fury is tankier

but arms has more buttons

[cunning sleet]

The build on wowhead uses fueled by violence

At least it did when I imported it

[latent moss]

y

true

[minor gust]

because most ppl dont press IP anyways when talented

[cunning sleet]

Intresting

[vast hinge]

i bound it to tclap

since its my rage dum

dump

[shadow ibex]

[fair topaz]

Wouldn't arms be a better reactive tank with parry, ignore pain and dstance whereas fury is a better passive tank that is better at living random spells and unpredictable damage?

[latent moss]

me when i want to apply rend to more than 2 mobs

[cunning sleet]

I bound it to my old taunt button since I don't see myself taunting often x)

[latent moss]

and suddenly half of my rae bar is gone

[shadow ibex]

do it as colossus

[latent moss]

fury si better at both

[minor gust]

its my storm of swords role play

[shadow ibex]

so you afk for 19 seconds for rage

[latent moss]

u need 33 seconds

to stack ip

[shadow ibex]

stacking IP is unrealistic

any situation you press it dmg is going out

[latent moss]

nah u did that in df

[shadow ibex]

so there goes the prospect of stacking it

[vast hinge]

hard to decide between mythic track legs which i can turn to tier

[latent moss]

a lot

ataldazar

yazma spears

u had to stack it

[vast hinge]

or Heroic transmitter

[latent moss]

fury just pressed dstance

[latent moss]

myth legs

[shadow ibex]

transmitter is bait

[latent moss]

u can get transmitter from heroic raid or just farm

[shadow ibex]

shit is ass

[latent moss]

skarmorak/mark of khadros

[vast hinge]

transmitter is sim bait?

[latent moss]

no

its just annoying to use

whenever u press it u need to either jump 3 times stand in a cirle for 3 seconds

[shadow ibex]

its really lame in a lot of situations

[latent moss]

or collect an orb

[fair topaz]

Transmitter is blizzard's way of trolling the min max community

[shadow ibex]

sometimes the thing you need to stand on is inside a boss model

or just not super safe to go to right now

i can imagine using it during intermission on queen and getting your orb/platform inside her insta kill circle

[manic stirrup]

sure i guess but also unpredictable damage shouldnt happen

but yes fury is less punishing for mistakes

in that regard

[shadow ibex]

fury you can survive something by virtue of playing fury

stamina +war paint

dont even have to think

[fair topaz]

I actually forgot that fury now also has ignore pain and defensive stance so my point is kind of moot

[vast hinge]

yeah ive found it annoying sometimes it spawns shit in circles

and im like

[shadow ibex]

just survive it because oh those alone

[vast hinge]

yeah nahh fuck that

[shadow ibex]

i got a normal one from time walking used it for a few m+ and bosses

[fair topaz]

Every mechanic is a healer mechanic

[shadow ibex]

and nah fuck that

[shadow ibex]

its p funny in pvp to ER and BS since the bladestorm casts more BTs than you can manually

[fair topaz]

Transmitter is a psyop to get parse hunters booted from their guilds after dying for the xth time chasing their buff

[fair topaz]

Combined with the bladestorm snare that's going to lead to some serious keyboard turning on the other side

[fathom shoal]

we ignore lethal blows(4set) until exec correct?

[vast hinge]

is arms good in +9s this week

[cinder verge]

hmm

so transmitter is a no go?

[shadow ibex]

It's inconsistent

[cinder verge]

its between hero transmitter or a socket

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-kermit-kermit-the-frog-muppets-stressed-gif-17987745

[quick vale]

MQM or a piece of heroic tier which will give me 4 piece

I can get 4 piece from putting a champion chest in the catalyst though

[thick hamlet]

i don't feel so good bros

it's only the 2nd week and im already not getting invites

to +6 keys

[cinder verge]

push your own key

[kind stag]

i dont even get invited to 4s

80+ dpses applying lol

[quick vale]

bros should I upgrade my trinket or chest first?

same ilvl difference in both cases

[astral yarrow]

its one of the best trinkets, but is tuned higher because its annoying to use

[wise cloud]

Is 4 set impactful for arms btw?

[river ridge]

Changes when you press Mortal Strike during Execute phase

Send it on two stacks of Set Bonus

[mortal rivet]

sims say ring but feels weird (have 4p)

[fathom shoal]

i think its x2 stacks + x2EP right

[quick edge]

Trust the sim

[fading vine]

welp time to sim some stuff

[worldly kernel]

myth tier and transmitter, not a wep but still some good items

[livid cloak]

Nice grats

[wanton yoke]

skyhold i need you

is warrior 4 pc good or should i take the 619 trinket

[nova marsh]

You should sim yourself

[wanton yoke]

I did sim but i didnt see option for 4 peice bc i have token for 2k in bag and only 2 peice on

i gain 12k for the larynx but dunno gain for 4 pc

[worldly kernel]

you can create tier in top gear setup

[wanton yoke]

ooo

didnt know that ima go sim it up

[untold pewter]

Any particular reason to craft cloak for the embelishment or just sim it?

I'm thinking to craft feet

[halcyon breach]

Just any low budget slot really works

[untold pewter]

Neat, thanks

[halcyon breach]

It's just general recommendations, where stuff like wrist/cloak typically since they have the absolute lowest and usually no rare items tied to them

[nova marsh]

Blizzard

Are you trolling me rn

This is pay back for no choosing sacbrood last week

[lament star]

so i did the quest to kill the queen on my main but im not seing it on my alts, it should be available as long as if done the campaign right?

[nova marsh]

Irrc you have to do the whole questline on all toons

[vivid sky]

you only have to do chapter 1 of the max level campaign

[lament star]

wonder why im not seeing it then

[vivid sky]

you can skip the leveling campaign by talking to brann, then do ch1 of the max level, then you can talk to the little spider to start the questline towards killing the queen

[lament star]

i skipped the campaign on my alts but that shouldnt effect it should it ?

[vivid sky]

you don't have to do the full campaign on every character

[lament star]

and iirc i picked the quest up on my main in azj' kahet

but im not seeing the "immmportant" marker anywhere on my map for my allts

[dark nacelle]

Can't figure out a way to sim this because me no smart. I have the ascension embellishment on my weapon. Should I pair that with writhing armor band to improve that or should I go for duskthread/dawnthread lining?

[strange perch]

[native obsidian]

No it starts in Dor

And it's not marked as important

Just a regular quest

[lament star]

happen to know the name of the quest off the top of your head?

[native obsidian]

Mmm it's from a spider

A chance to strike or something like that?

[nova marsh]

Our chance to strike

[lament star]

sweet tyty

[nova marsh]

Close enough rlly

Should be like right next to where jania and thrall are

[mortal rivet]

hey there ginger! great learning opportunity. when you're doing "top gear' you can actually type in crafted gear and then select the embelishment when you are at the specific piece (such as when you normal want to look at upgrading a piece in). This lets you do a comparison of what you have as well as crafted embellishments

[dark nacelle]

Oh cool thank you

[wraith ocean]

Hi, in m+ for a single target pull do we press TC or rend?

[manic stirrup]

rend does a little bit more damage

[wraith ocean]

Gotcha ty

[sullen holly]

should i be putting an embellish on my weapon / can i take it off later?

[nova marsh]

Blizz seems to be very intent on making me RP arms

*because of all the FRIGGIN WEAPONS I'VE GOTTEN

I'm convinced necklaces above vet track don't exist

[errant flame]

Is transmitter a trap

sacbrood and khadros better?

[nova marsh]

transmitter is good

But honestly if you find the tasks "annoying" khadros and sac is perfectly fine.

I mean...you can also just...run sac and Khadros

[errant flame]

Yeah want to run sac and khard

double on use doesnt sit well with me

[nova marsh]

Totally up to u really

OLh yeah hell no

[errant flame]

now dont have to worry about it if it drops

[nova marsh]

loot myth track khandros

Checkmate

[light dirge]

hey guys

on execute phase should i be doing EX- EX - MS ?

or just dump into execute

[nova marsh]

The ep loop from df is gone

So it's mostly dumping into exe until you need to refresh dots

Then ms

And throwing ops too. Irrc you just use op as Tacti procs

Or below 40 rage w finishing blows

[devout pewter]

played arms with the old execute style and I got ragestarved so hard I went back to the dungeon entrance

[nova marsh]

With 4pc you send ms with 2x ep and 2x lethal blows (4pc buff)

[devout pewter]

like two ms later you're empty, with barely any recovery

[manic stirrup]

play juggernaut slayer

[devout pewter]

You even hold MS until then, right? in execute

nah, colossus is better (for m+ at least)

more fun, slappin' stuff

[strange perch]

so I picked a 616 Imperfect Ascendency Serum out of my vault and its not even on the trinket cheatshet

am I an idiot?

[nova marsh]

Eh they're about even in keys to me

[nova marsh]

No?

Because those just have trinks for dungeons and raids

[strange perch]

ooo

[nova marsh]

Did it sim well?

[strange perch]

I didnt try it i just figured 5822 strength for 20 seconds every 2 minutes was kinda good

and I was replacing a 571

[devout pewter]

I think i got that from a map in a delve earlier, doesn't sim well for me unless it's short aoe fights

yeah it's that ok

[strange perch]

yeah 616 from delve was just my highest vault thing

and it seemed neat

shoulda simmed it

its a 1.5 second cast that probably kills its use

[pulsar elk]

whats the fastest way to get 100 titan disc fragments u think? dungeons?

tryna get my wep before raid

[devout pewter]

follower dungeons

as tank

[pulsar elk]

sick ty ill try that

[devout pewter]

do something like priory or stonevault maybe even better

the healer is quite good, just gotta be careful, they occasionally suck 😄

[strange perch]

I will say when you pop the serum and av atar and fireblood you turn into a gigantic spider

its kinda neat

[manic stirrup]

follower or normal dungeons

[indigo smelt]

does 4 set change our rotation?

[devout pewter]

the tank just simply sucks in follower dungeons sadly

[devout pewter]

I think so yes... but don't ask me how I only got one set piece so far .D

[manic stirrup]

yes you ms more in execute

the rotation on wowhead assumes you have 4p

[strange perch]

are 2 minute CD Trinkets racist towards avatar?

[devout pewter]

If I understand that right, with 4p set in Execute phase you simply wait for 2-2-2 buff on MS to full send it? sounds kinda sick

[robust ridge]

Outside of execute do you really need to worry about / track the Opportunist buff, or do you find it naturally gets consumed @manic stirrup ?

[devout pewter]

from what I'm reading it sounds like you're just using it naturally

[teal fossil]

It gets consumed natty

[robust ridge]

No worries

[devout pewter]

and only in exe you wait for both stacks apparently, which also occurs naturally

[manic stirrup]

just use your op resests

[robust ridge]

No worries, just meant more around tracking it to prioritise it over MS if the opportunist buff popped up; but I assume that's minor optimisation and MS > OP is fine

[minor gust]

colossus dopamine real in aoe ill give it that

dmg still low for 3rd time colossus in a 10 mists

didnt crit on first boss both times

[shadow ibex]

WB?

[minor gust]

yeah

[shadow ibex]

WB is maximum reverse evolution feel good

[minor gust]

playing it for shenanigans so might aswell go full aoe and play WB

[shadow ibex]

I agree

This close to saying fuck it and slamming bs with the wb slotting

I just hate rav

[minor gust]

8 mil non crit 5 mil crit

thanks first boss

[shadow ibex]

Just get MCM

Ez colossus ST

[minor gust]

oh I do just didnt feel like using it

was playing with an arcane mage so was like you got boss dmg buddy im blastin aoe

[shadow ibex]

I really need to farm skarm or mark

[minor gust]

same

[shadow ibex]

I'm using mcm and ritual dagger

[teal schooner]

Anyone use this trink? Is it annoying?

[shadow ibex]

I got other on use but I like mcm crits

[minor gust]

playing mcm and colossus makes me feel like a gambling addict

[shadow ibex]

Back to sl gamba spec

[minor gust]

1/4 chance baby

[vital rune]

Does 4pc change AoE rotation at all?

[manic stirrup]

what is mcm

[minor gust]

mad queens is what he prob meant to say and my dumb brain followed along

[shadow ibex]

yea

im giving out brain worms

[vital rune]

What's the best thing to spend some valor/crests on assuming everything is roughly the same ilvl?

Wep is highest it can go

[shadow ibex]

high stat budget pieces

[mortal rivet]

tried out arms for ST in raid, damn it feels nice

[nova marsh]

Get a shaman and it feels amazing

[mortal rivet]

the biggest struggle is before execute phase I just kind of feel like i overcap on rage HARd as slayer

[fathom shoal]

overcapping doesnt matter if your following the rotation

unless in exec, never ever should be cappd der

[devout pewter]

Pop everything on cooldown and spam slam to fish for them op proccs! Arms on bosses is awesome

[nova marsh]

It's just a fact of pre exe arms atm

Unless ur running colossus with MS resets

[mortal rivet]

ah yeah exec never capped. trying to make my cds line up better without sacrificing too much time

specifically skullsplitter and thunderous roar, i know BS wont line up with CS

[shadow ibex]

we need a way to make sure last hit of demo crits

[hazy flower]

@manic stirrup damn you guys are 3 healing the worm? How does it feel

Is it tight on healing sometimes

we're about to start progging it

[nova marsh]

I think it's suppose to align evrey second TR

Just send sks on CD

[shadow ibex]

make last hit demo crit any target affected by CS

done

[manic stirrup]

nah its chill

[mortal rivet]

yeah just need to practice it a lot. whats the CD on BS that you should hold Colossus smash for?

[spring island]

Anyone have WA for Rend to pop up with sound when re-applied. Someone gave me theirs once but I cant find it lol

[nova marsh]

It's a personal thing as to what "in a few seconds" is.

But to me that's about under 10 secs

Because really that CD is probally closer to 5-6 taking into account AM

[spring island]

Is colossus the go to for M+ and Raid AoE?

[nova marsh]

Slayer is overall better tuned in almost evrey case but 2 targ cleave

[spring island]

copy

[nova marsh]

However

[turbid drift]

Anyone know a good resource for arms warrior raid and m+ rotation guide? Not sure if wowhead is right or not

[nova marsh]

there's nothing saying you can't run colossus if you like it more and also value the better ulti and free second wind and DR

[nova marsh]

Wowhead is accurate

It's maintained by the same person who does evreything warrior dps related in this discord

[spring island]

Isnt Colossus a bit burstier? Sorry I just came back and trying to get my 70 Arms Warrior to 80 lol

[nova marsh]

Yep

[iron spruce]

Colossus better on court then?

[nova marsh]

It's pretty much pure burst

[nova marsh]

idk I haven't raided. It's 2 targ ye but I can't confirm

I did like one pull of it in a pug

[spring island]

@jade cargo do you still have the Rend Weakaura with sound? I believe you sent it to me a while ago but i lost it lol

[balmy kindle]

Wowhead is alright on the rotations you will be fine on either slayer or Colo for m+ ( both have their niches)

For raids u want slayer

[nova marsh]

so guys

How do yall get into keys?

Farm declines?

[balmy kindle]

Do a grand tour is what I do

Go help peasants with their 2 keys

[untold trench]

I just que and get invited

[balmy kindle]

Work to 3 and so on

[nova marsh]

You fool I am a peasent

I'm not even 610

[untold trench]

You want real and efficient advice?

[balmy kindle]

Only 607 myself but realistically you should be fine 2-4.

Alternatively u can run prot

[nova marsh]

If it's "RuN YoUr OwN kEy" and find a guild....I mean

[untold trench]

Gjennom tank till you are beyond the curve on ilvl and score

[balmy kindle]

Run prot, blow up other peoples keys

[nova marsh]

Look

...I don't have a one hander and a shield is the actual problem lol

And even if I did....getting flamed would be pretty funny

[untold trench]

Use 544 ah ones upgraded till580

[balmy kindle]

I mean tanks can afford to fail upwards

If they curse you so be it, little DPS player will join 30 min Q while you get instant invites

[manic stirrup]

run your own key

[nova marsh]

being a tank is just cheating

[untold trench]

I am not joking, if you want to PuG as DPS efficiently, you first got to become the better option

Tanking will bring you there faster

[manic stirrup]

alternatively get all +2s and go from there

[balmy kindle]

Kitty is correct though

[balmy kindle]

That's how I do it

It's not time efficient but w/e

[nova marsh]

The problem is no matter who I choose, how long I wait, evrey group fails evrey single key I get

[untold trench]

Then you are the problem

[manic stirrup]

youre the common link idk

[nova marsh]

Also ara kara keys don't exist for me which is really fuckin annoying

I just assume evrey key that is failed is immediately my fault no matter what happens anyways

[balmy kindle]

Honestly if you are experienced you can try guiding clueless peeps

Like NW is pretty funny in pugs

[untold trench]

Based on your 100% failrate, that seems logical

[nova marsh]

It's not 100%

It's more like...70%

Feels like a 100% thou

[untold trench]

Key is to get out of the rot. Networking, doing your own key or tanking will be your tools

Or you can chose to do nothing, become part of the rot

[nova marsh]

well rot dosen't get 3k rating

[untold trench]

Sure it does

[dire hinge]

being nice to people gets you invited back even if the key goes sideways

[untold trench]

It always spread upwards with time

[balmy kindle]

Baseg

[nova marsh]

idk I'm just really confused because jesus christ this season feels so much rougher then DF was

[untold trench]

Seems similar to DF s1 to me

Bit easier perhaps

But RLP broke me

[nova marsh]

Even that didn't feel like such an uphill battle to me.

[untold trench]

Just take our advice, then move forward. We believe in you. Chose a strat, and go next always

[rare kite]

df was alot harder, no doubt about it

[balmy kindle]

Warriors are at least good now so I am getting less declines

DF was rough

[nova marsh]

I mean yeah it was

the 600 declines from roughly two seasons (really more like 1 and a half with how much I actually played S4) speak for themselves

I'm starting to think a guild hunt is in order even thou I really would rather not...that shit sucks

espically because I have like....no logs

[balmy kindle]

I mean wow is like job hunting

You need to build a portfolio

More so if Ur class is warrior and not resto shaman / warlock / tank specs

[nova marsh]

or a mage

[balmy kindle]

In my experience mages have too much competition, alot easier to get carried playing warlocks and resto shaman

More so in raids

Bottom DPS as Aff ? It's ok bro u have portal

[untold trench]

Ya know what fixes all your issues?

Networking

[nova marsh]

Friends?

[nova marsh]

This is true

Because mages are basically always meta in some form or another.

Or at least really good

I genuinely can't remeber a single time mages have been complete dogwater trash tier

[balmy kindle]

But realistically you can't change the game so just play what you enjoy (warrior) and live with it instead lol

[nova marsh]

I like arms cuz it's simple and not BM

Also big sword

or hammer

[untold trench]

Paladin is that way 👉 🚪

[nova marsh]

Paladin is as boring as BM

[balmy kindle]

Pala and DKs are like warriors in terms of getting invited

[nova marsh]

I try basically evrey xpack to get into ret, just can't

[balmy kindle]

So it won't fix colos issues

[nova marsh]

Somehow I like enhance better then ret

And enhance....lightingbolt is half your damage

[zinc rampart]

Is slayer or colossus arms better?

[nova marsh]

Slayer is tuned better overall

[manic stirrup]

for what

[strange perch]

I’m just here to say

Arms Warrior is the best spec/class in WoW history.

[minor gust]

"was" then legion ended

[iron spruce]

any thoughts speccing into wrecking throw for the sheild on court?

[minor gust]

no wrecking throw is bad

not worth anymore

[teal fossil]

good thing thats fury warrior

[manic stirrup]

theres literally no way legion was as good as ppl say

[teal fossil]

glad arms would never be shoehorned into execute

[manic stirrup]

when tauri comes out ig we'll see

if

[strange perch]

Legion was good, I hated artifact weapons though. Not having weapon drops was jarring and disturbing and I never want it again

[teal fossil]

on the flip side

youll never parse bad doing optimal rotation just because you didnt get an early weapon drop

[minor gust]

brother that was a fury warrior

[latent cargo]

./deletes message in shame

[minor gust]

no need still an epic clip

[teal fossil]

the clip ruinted warrior for years to come

now blizz devs think thats the warrior identity

[manic stirrup]

i think its good as it

[frigid cipher]

ToS arms was the best arms iteration. Before and after that it wasn’t great

[minor gust]

Execute indentity is cool it just needs to be balanced

[frigid cipher]

Before was FR which only a few liked.
After was fob trauma

🤮

ToS tho

Take me back

[balmy kindle]

Add : getting no weapon drops as top DPS while the bloke who died 30s in raid gets the drop on the kill pull

[teal fossil]

ye

my first tier i was doing horribl

because i wsa stuck with a normal weapon

raiding mythic

then i parsed insane 2nd tier i played

cuz i got max ilevel weapon from vault week 1

[manic stirrup]

why

[digital karma]

does anyone have a weak aura to track imminent demise stacks?

[minor gust]

early tier parses are something special

[teal fossil]

yea

its just vault luck

or gearing luck in general

[manic stirrup]

it looks very similar to how it plays now with a lot less rage and cs functions as op

with eb

[nova marsh]

I drop my key to a 2

2 chest it perfectly.

A good sign perhaps?

[balmy kindle]

I mean 2 is kinda ok , the difficulty kind of goes hard per level

[nova marsh]

Well yeah

But first good sign I've had in a while lmao

How I outdpsed someone 7 ilvls above me is beyond me thou

Is bm actually bad rn?

[balmy kindle]

Warriors are good and our rotation is straightforward is probably why

Your average m+ ape is not some pro mdr player regen

[nova marsh]

true

[outer holly]

but also yeah bm is giga bad in keys

[balmy kindle]

You familiar with BM? BM used to be king of cleaves but somehow it's a st spec now

[nova marsh]

why do I have 50 rogues for a city of threads key?

[teal fossil]

probably just their aoe burst getting nerfed

because beast cleave has been the same for a long time

[dreamy ice]

Can anyone quickly help me with the opener 1) Charge
2) Rend
3) Thunderous Roar
4) Avatar
5) Colossus Smash
6) Bladestorm
7) Overpower
8) Mortal Strike
9) Skullsplitter
10) Overpower

is this really right?

[nova marsh]

Probally not?

Because sks is...really far out from roar

You'd waste like 5 seconds of it, that's like a quarter of roar's duration. Makes no sense.

[torn dirge]

WE BALLIN BOIS! Arms rockin

[dreamy ice]

Thats waht i was saying

What do you think the proper opener is?!??!

[outer holly]

a really easy way to find out the optimal opener is to sim yourself in quicksim

It generates the opener for you so you can just emulate it

[dreamy ice]

True good idea

[manic stirrup]

yes thats right

dont overpower unelss it procced

[balmy kindle]

Key point, u want to use op when it has opportunist due to tact proc

Does a ton of damage esp on crits

[dreamy ice]

i thought you wanted to roar last is that wrong

[balmy kindle]

Someone probably mentioned before, u don't really care for the initial hit for TD roar

So you just send it

[slim hazel]

my vualt give me this tR for arms 😐

is it good ?

[balmy kindle]

Yes

[frigid cipher]

For me mostly the core CS -> MS gameplay. CS being one big damage/crit chance buff that also worked on execute instead of OPs two smaller buffs. Just getting to MS more since it reset on tact. There’s a lot of other little things but that’s the main part of it imo.
I agree that arms is still very similar to what it was just watered down

[bright crow]

How much do we like (Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg)

[balmy kindle]

I have one on heroic track, it Sims poorly

[balmy kindle]

You are lucky but do look at other options in your vault first

[bright crow]

It Sims poorly? Do you think it's simming it wrong?

[balmy kindle]

Honestly to your answer, I don't know

I just let raidbots do the math

[mortal rivet]

why does Mark of Khardos sim so poorly for arms? like as a 526 it somehow sims worse than a 506 larynx

[balmy kindle]

It's probably because arms we dont really care for mastery

[slim hazel]

i have this items too

but i already have champion shoulder set

[balmy kindle]

Try running Sims and see which one you need

[mortal rivet]

so why is it recommended as a viable alternative on wowhead?

[balmy kindle]

Neck looks awesome tho holy

[teal fossil]

Because it’s fine

[manic stirrup]

crit overrated get haste

[balmy kindle]

Probably because if u don't have the other options it's usable

[manic stirrup]

crit isnt ur main stat haste is

[teal fossil]

Larynx also does flat damage

[slim hazel]

how can i sim my vault ? 😐

[manic stirrup]

if youre on slayer

[teal fossil]

Which means it’s better in bad gear

[manic stirrup]

top gear

has your vault options

[balmy kindle]

Raidbots top gear

[teal fossil]

And scales poorly in aoe

[mortal rivet]

ahh so basically it wont be a top option now, but once everything is heroic gear, raw damage loses value unless its absurdity like mad queen's

[teal fossil]

Sort of

But that’s the general idea

[manic stirrup]

mad queens still loses value

its just still really good

[teal fossil]

Though blizzard usually tunes it so a mastery on use is better on aoe than st

Else no one will use flat damage trinkets

The fact that mastery is not our best stat doesn’t matter

[balmy kindle]

Mark is still good tho, gives u flexibility when you wanna play 2 sword man

[teal fossil]

It’s still almost unconditional damage amp

[mortal rivet]

yeah I normally play fury, but brancing out to arms in ST (and prot in keys)

[balmy kindle]

Think it depends on Sims but haste has some bonkers value until certain breakpoints on my toon

[teal fossil]

Holy we breaking out haste breakpoints

Let’s go

[balmy kindle]

I just let raidbots do the math sirs

[slim hazel]

Simc told me neck is better than all of them xD

[balmy kindle]

Any pros here can answer how good is this trinket

[gaunt owl]

depends on your current trinket

[balmy kindle]

Cant beat that stat weight with socket, gg wp

[manic stirrup]

ive never had crit higher than haste on my guy

idk

[bright crow]

I had shamrock shard and the crit candle

Both 603

[balmy kindle]

Running orators and the fang trinket on 606, egg at 610 loses to both by 1-2%

[balmy kindle]

For me I have crit at 22%, haste at 20%

[balmy kindle]

In that case egg is likely better than candle

[minor gust]

haste gaming

get your haste up

[balmy kindle]

How do u hit 33% unbuffed

[minor gust]

you caught me I may have alchemical flask on

27% unbuffed

[trim skiff]

guys, what do you say, move speed blasphemite or crit effect?

[minor gust]

sim it and find out

[trim skiff]

i cannot really decide, sim says its around a 0.2% for crit effect one but move speed one might come out on top in a real situation

[balmy kindle]

If it's 0.2% I think you can trust yourself instead of raidbots

Not significant enough

[trim skiff]

i was wondering about your personal feels if the move speed increase is THAT significant

[minor gust]

well if its truly only a .2% increase like you said I would value move speed more

[manic stirrup]

doesnt matter at all

up to you

[slim hazel]

what do you think about my stats ? should i play slayer or clos ?

[trim skiff]

alright, up until I've all the sockets, I'll probably go move speed one, thanks lads

[nova marsh]

stats do not matter to those

Both hero trees kinda value the same stuff

[slim hazel]

which one is better ?

[trim skiff]

fully unbuffed, getting more haste feels amazing

[nova marsh]

Slayer is tuned better overall, espically for ST

[balmy kindle]

Trust the Sims , but I do personally share the sentiment of others that more haste = better

[slim hazel]

sims show me this xD

[manic stirrup]

stats weights are very outdated

[trim skiff]

If you go for stat weights, those are pretty out of date, as choco said

[nova marsh]

Sim direct gear

It's a lot more reliable

[slim hazel]

i cant see it in site

which one ?

[nova marsh]

I mean more so direct gear comparisons

Use top gear

or droptimizier is pretty good if you don't have an item and want a general feel for what would be big ticket items to get your dps up

[minor gust]

theres a lot of guides on how to sim that can help you out but these two are your best friends. Everytime you get a new piece of gear goto top gear and sim it.

[bright crow]

am I in to deep on crit?

[manic stirrup]

yes

[bright crow]

But the numbas

[manic stirrup]

what about them

[worldly kernel]

whats the move ascendance or double stat

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715

[worldly kernel]

yeah checked, a little torn i'm just gonna sim both but i'm leanin towards ascendance

[dire hinge]

Honestly close enough in performance that it doesn’t super matter, just beware that:

• crafted weapon is slightly lower ilvl
• double stat is prone to health uptime variance

[severe haven]

Does the tier set bonuses add up considerably to the overall dps for arms?