arms

[boreal quartz]

[minor gust]

Poor Colossus no friends and maidenless

[arctic hearth]

Its still true tho :p

[boreal quartz]

I wouldnt know

I topgear

[gusty oxide]

In season 3, when colossus will outperform slayers, only the true will be rewarded

[boreal quartz]

It's not a covenant

[gusty oxide]

Copege

[boreal quartz]

It should be wouldnt it be coo

You swap every 2 weeks

And need to do dailies

[plucky fern]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerith-gainsborough-cloti-gif-27060423

[boreal quartz]

To get back

Also hero energy so u have to pay to change choice node

[minor gust]

Sounds like peak design to me

[boreal quartz]

Itd be a meaningful choice

[arctic hearth]

Tank the ground effect to demolish or no, peak meaningfull choise spec

[wanton sierra]

damn havin a big treat by Gucciwarrior playin some m+ as colossus arms early morning... havin my breakfest watchin this legend

[plucky fern]

why is sim calculating overwhelming rage as as dps loss

is that a sim bug?

[steep lichen]

dont need 130 rage when u should not cap anyways

🤔

[plucky fern]

i was running 1 point just in case i overcap during ravager, was thinking to drop that to pickup 5% movespeed and wanted to know if that is even a dps loss

and sim says its 7k dps gain if i drop it

[quick light]

Hi, probably a repeated question. Is the colossus specialization viable for arenas? Or should I choose another option?

[halcyon breach]

Can ask in #pvp

[quick light]

Oh, thanks!

[halcyon breach]

Arms and Fury chat is mostly PvE

[quick edge]

Are we BS inside sweeping strikes? Have we always this expac?

[boreal quartz]

Unhinged doesnt cleave anymore

[quick edge]

So we want to sweeping strikes first to get the mortal strikes to multi target?

Or are you saying it won't do it anyways so we shouldn't sweeping strikes?

[boreal quartz]

The mortal strikes from bladestorm do not sweep

Anymore (fuck them for changing it...)

[quick edge]

So following the rotation I should bladderwort right after swiping strikes ends is that correct?

Fucking bladderwort wtf

Bladestorm*

[boreal quartz]

You wouldnt wait for ss to end

Since BS is the stronger button you use it before ss

[gusty oxide]

Sweeping after BS

[quick edge]

Ahhh thank you, is wow head not to to date then and should I check icy veins or is there another guide?

[gusty oxide]

Well, you have the opener and the rotation after

SS is coming up more often than BS

[cloud gyro]

I send sweeping strikes on pull in m+ to get the cleave buff in bladestorm/warbreaker/avatar window

[quick edge]

Ahhh I want payingb attention to the identical to st part I thought it said identical to the rotation you were using sorry

So just SS after bladestorm and go into the normal rotation for mt. And CDs before bladestorm

[cloud gyro]

Unless youre playing warbreaker i would always use SS before colossus smash

[shadow ibex]

P sure APL SS before BS unless something changed in last week

[cloud gyro]

If youre playing some super cooked build with warbreaker and without collateral damage

[quasi torrent]

doesnt mean its optimal

[gusty oxide]

it's just a loss of time on SS uptime tho

[shadow ibex]

And according to wow head you'd get to 0 OP charges and a cleave before BS

Iirc

[daring heron]

hate the ss unhinged change

[shadow ibex]

Just really shouldn't have changed it

[cloud gyro]

I dont see the argument for delaying SS till after bladestorm, assuming you wanna CS before bladestorm

[quick edge]

So uh what does Mr critcake do? @daring heron

[shadow ibex]

You also press other stuff before the BS

[cloud gyro]

^

[shadow ibex]

I mean maybe at 8 targets

[cloud gyro]

You just wanna stack up collatteral damage so the windows overlap

[daring heron]

i just dont play arms

[quick edge]

Facts

[shadow ibex]

[quick edge]

Do we know who updates the arms APL?

[halcyon breach]

@quasi torrent does he loves arms

[daring heron]

p sure you just send ss cs bs though and just take the L

[shadow ibex]

Wait until a dev plays arms angle

No way anyone can touch that and think it feels ok

[cloud gyro]

I think its good

Fun to play and performs well

[daring heron]

clap cleave roar ss ava+cs bs

is my feelycraft

[shadow ibex]

Sweeping before BS?

[cloud gyro]

I ss first to get more collatteral stacks

[shadow ibex]

I'm not talking about numbers just how it feels is dumb and bad

[cloud gyro]

If you SS right before avatar your big cleave misses CS window

[shadow ibex]

I would just like the BS casts to sweep again instead of having that knowledge it's wasted buff uptime

It's a "those who know, those who don't" meme p much

[cloud gyro]

Wait am i tripping or did they change the wait collatteral works

p sure it procced off any aoe ability before and not just ST abilities that got cleaved

[halcyon breach]

It's been ST abilities for the past 3+ expansions

You might get it confused with it counting the slam from FoB

[cloud gyro]

aaah thats it probably

[shadow ibex]

Abilities that hit a single target hit 1 more with sweeping. Get cleave buff for each time that occurs

[cloud gyro]

thanks

[shadow ibex]

Fob can sweep but not unhinged I cri

[cloud gyro]

Yeah thats goofy as hell

[shadow ibex]

Tbh I think it's just spaghetti code BS since they had to remove bt cleaves from fury bs

Too lazy to do them uniquely

[quick edge]

Wouldn't it be good to get the overwhelming blades stack on them first with bladestorm

[remote ledge]

hello where can i find the mostly ST build that people are running in m+ pls ?

[cedar talon]

is colossus over slayer inting in m+

[quick edge]

I would copy from logs tbh

[nova marsh]

Bout the same tbh

For pure aoe

[quasi torrent]

who?

[quick edge]

Depends on which dungeon and group comp probably. If you have 2 others aoe specific dps I def wouldn't go Colossus

[fringe moon]

? BS doesn’t sweep MS anymore.

[cloud gyro]

I thouhgt any 2+ hitting target procced stacks for collatteral

confusion was cleared

it was just cleaving the slam from cleave

resulting in stacks

[vital rune]

have you guys been taking Bitter Immunity for any of the season dungeons?

[cedar talon]

ty for answer also in general for m+ do i wanna hold cd for bosses or just dump in trashmobs

[quick edge]

I'm general or like the trash group right before the boss?

[remote ledge]

those from warcraft logs ?

[quick edge]

Yeah probably the best place to pull

[nova marsh]

Not really worth imo

It's more of a pvp thing

Cds super long and I don't think this season aside from Ara Kara (which I haven't done( really needs it

And if it does just...bring a cleanse class

[plucky fern]

the answer for SS dilemma is to play colossus

ravager doesnt care

about the fix

[nova marsh]

Honestly colossus in delves fucking slaps

Being able to basically one shot half the pack with demolish is really really nicr

[plucky fern]

it slaps in m+ too if you play it correctly

[untold trench]

Delves

[plucky fern]

just dont go full aoe cringe builds, demolish and collateral stuff already solves aoe, get massacre, x2 ct, maybe jugg if you are a mad man
for me this setup does the same overall damage as slayer but more tanky and 3 sec shockwave is a beast

[quasi torrent]

@halcyon breach EXPLAIN THYSELF

[halcyon breach]

@quasi torrent

[quasi torrent]

you are being

so rude

denmark at it again...

[vital rune]

As a slayer hater originally, I have come around to it a bit now. When you proc mark/reap often it feels good

[warm olive]

i love seeing the animation of a slayer proc during BS

"holdup lemme stop spinning for this rq"

[scarlet geode]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/blackmoore/Blockbert how to know what the next item upgrade is?

[dire hinge]

i would talk with your team, <Exiles>, to see if they have any rules/guidance on how you should be upgrading.
If they told you to come here to the Arms Discord, I'd check out Raidbots:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/use-raidbots-to-find-your-best-great-vault-dps-upgrade-in-the-war-within-season-346709

[scarlet geode]

Thank you i will Check IT out

[manic stirrup]

no its arguably better

depending on your team

slayer is better st while colossus has more aoe and a pretty lackluster st (especially so if you get bad crits)

[quick edge]

Key word arguably

[cold narwhal]

just did a first m+ on Colossus

it is the way

less dmg on boss but overall a lot higher

[thick kelp]

Yep cuz overall is relevant metric

[cold narwhal]

Well yeah... if both teams do mechanics those with higher overall will finish faster

[gaunt owl]

All mighty DPS meter please bless me with first place as it is the only way to be good at the game

[dire hinge]

luckily trash is what bricks keys right

... right

[vital rune]

Is it bad that I kind of miss the days where that was potentially true?

Some of these bosses are giving me PTSD after doing them enough times

[dire hinge]

it's different, there's pros and cons to it

[vital rune]

Definitely enjoy the changes overall and I'm sure after week 1 bosses won't be as much of a wall

[manic stirrup]

i dont think colossus is that far behind slayer in st

but maybe cope i havent simmed any slayer m+ in like a week and a half

bc colossus mega fun

[vital rune]

That being said, last boss of SV can sit on a cactus. I swear I spend more time running away than on the boss

[manic stirrup]

clear immediately when you get jt

with leap or otherwise

and then enjoy uptime

dip into old pools with a defensive so you dont have to run far at all

[vital rune]

Yeah for sure, been doing that too. Just feels like shortly after/before you had to do pool mechanic too

Not bad by any means, just a minor nitpick

Boss overall is easy

[tired sinew]

hihi for colossus, if i just intend to dabble around and not want to use SkS on a M+ build what should i replace the talent point with?

[manic stirrup]

depends what you already have

probably massacre if you dont have it

or mbg if you dont have that

[tired sinew]

many thanks!

[gaunt owl]

what did you build for Coloscopy ?

gonna do 1 key with it now 😄

[slow saddle]

I mean col without sks where do u get any st dmg?😅

[quick edge]

Arcane mage + colossus arms would be a good pairing

[slow saddle]

Not rly fury and slayer + arcane is bettet

[nova marsh]

But arms is fun

[slow saddle]

Then slayer arms

Is quite good

Colossus was great then ms and op got nerf. Never recovered, now they gave col more aoe ( more dmg from col smash) but what it needed was st

It plays worse than slayer, and does less dmg

[dusty sorrel]

does anyone remember the name of the weakaura that showed how much damage got reflected back with spell reflect?

[neon niche]

spell reflect announcer or something
the current version which is not up to date on wago.io breaks in game
so we are left only with the one posted on #dps-faq which announces it but only for self print or party, raid, instance

[manic stirrup]

wowhead build with 45 second roar instead of blademasters torment. strength of arms over dreadnaught. massacre over mbg

[gaunt owl]

yeah i dont like colossus

i got fucking baited by transmitter telling me jump

while smashing Demolish

nice one

[vital rune]

Anyone else keep getting groups for SV who refuse to let the crystal shatter fall off before blowing up another one?

Or am I just unlucky?

[bleak cradle]

and here i am complaining that nobody is swapping!

[vital rune]

Tale of two warriors

Had someone in a group pop all 3 the other day so I died, proceeds to type "stop dying" in the chat

[neon niche]

? It’s literally that easy stop dying

[mossy perch]

Simply live

Ez

[dire hinge]

early season shenanigans, many folks don't know the impact of the mechanic and just see adds "kill those before boss does [thing]"

This isn't true for everyone, obviously, but I've already seen folks in my communities returning, getting into 7s, and trying to "learn" bosses in those dungeons because they weren't aware of the -10 keystone squish that happened while they were away.

[steep osprey]

how's arms compared to fury ST if i ahve shit arms stats

[vital rune]

On the other hand, Machinists make me feel like a dps god

[gusty oxide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS_3BXSCBDg

I feel attacked by blizzard

[manic stirrup]

stats dont rlly mayter

matter

sim it

[steep osprey]

well im doing way worse on arms

[dire hinge]

bless Eric ❤️

dude's a boon on their socials

[steep osprey]

Am i doing something wrong

did arms rotation change a lot?

is it still MS/OP/Slam/Execute

[dire hinge]

we use all of those spells, but yes there was some important context and rotational changes that come with a new expansion, hero talents, and tier atop it

do you have any logs from raid we can help review in #449510248579858432 or something? Right now we're purely speculating on your performance without any data 😅

[steep osprey]

well now I only have one arms log on sikran and i died lmao

[dire hinge]

but no, Arms vs Fury in pure single target should be relatively close. Arms should come out ahead, but overall in raid there's very few "single target" fights

[steep osprey]

I died here but it was still pretty bad, seems like it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LZPp9DvCgbFRdyqH#fight=12&type=damage-done&source=78

forgot to use my trinket too lmao

[dire hinge]

lots of small stuff, mostly uptime from what i'm seeing.

[worldly kernel]

We pray myth track wep in the vault 🙏

[dire hinge]

i like to use the "compare" feature in the top right for stuff like this. You can find someone with similar ilvl and kill time, and (with some exceptions) mostly identify opportunities for improvement. For example, we can see that on pull your burst is low, and then throughout the opening minute there is large gaps of downtime. If you're not pressing anything, you're doing 0dps, and that massively degrades your performance. As the fight progresses, you even out a bit, so it's probably just something of reviewing the opener and working on the core rotation more

that fight does have RNG aspects of, if you get targeted and have to run out, of course your dps will drop, that's to be expected 👍

[steep osprey]

it's sikran, how am i supposed to have good uptime

lol

he jumps all around

Why is my pull burst low? did I do something wrong?

like rotationally

[latent moss]

its honestly pretty good but

[dire hinge]

team strats help a lot, so does using Charge to get back on the boss as soon as he begins the final 3rd->4th charge, so that you arrive on him after the dash finishes. Looking at your replay, it looks like the boss had finished the dash at 0:21, but your next attack against the boss wasn't until 0:24. Yes, there will be brief downtime on Sikran, but you're responsibile for that 3 seconds of downtime there

[latent moss]

st is annoying to play

st feels a lot worse not sure how much worse it actually is

i wasnt behind slayer a lot

i think

as slayer i would do 1mil-1.1 and as colo it was like 900 i think

[steep osprey]

fair enough

[latent moss]

but i also dont have 636 atm and im 611

i did go crazy on crit tho

felt like i needed it idk

[manic stirrup]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1GNNkchbZma1efqUSbjvCD

idk if thats the slayer build ppl use

but it looks to be about 35k higher st than my colossus build

[hazy flower]

Max st slayer takes jugg

[dire hinge]

Opening rotation is usually:
Charge -> Rend -> Roar -> Avatar+CS+Trinkets+Potion -> Bladestorm -> MS -> Opportunist OP (if procced) -> Skullsplitter -> rotation

Yours had no trinket use, nor any mainstat potion (this is big!), and was:
Charge -> rend -> Avatar -> CS -> Roar -> Skullsplitter -> Bladestorm -> Execute -> MS -> OP

[manic stirrup]

i think jugg in m+ is beans man idk

maybe for slayer it can work

[hazy flower]

I dont like it yeah

But

It does seem considerably higher iirc

[latent moss]

i mean like

u dont have to play around it at all

and it will still barely lose

on aoe

[hazy flower]

Its mostly for st on bosses

[latent moss]

just playing around ur procs is good enough for it

but the st gain

is ridiculous

[manic stirrup]

how do you even take jugg

[hazy flower]

You still got cleave and dots

[manic stirrup]

can u link a build

[latent moss]

drop sks and bb

[manic stirrup]

drop tide of blood 2/2?

bloodbourne

tide of blood wtf

im old

[hazy flower]

[latent moss]

drop sks bb 1 deft mbg

take sd massacre critical thinking jugg

[hazy flower]

^

[manic stirrup]

?

[latent moss]

yeah

that looks right

try to play with skyfury

st is nuts

[manic stirrup]

with sudden deft?

[hazy flower]

Try to play fury*

[manic stirrup]

death

or no?

[hazy flower]

[latent moss]

yeah

u want sd

execute just fucks on arms unlike fuyr

fury

personally i spam exe on pri otargets when they are at 35 or below

its technically less dps

overall

but it kills prio targets faster

obv

[gaunt owl]

where is your nerubian doubling power embellishement ?

[manic stirrup]

ok yeah this jugger build is SIGNIFICANTLY ahead in aoe

loses in dslice slightly and aoe

ill try it

[steep osprey]

ok thanks,

[latent moss]

where is ur doubler xd

[manic stirrup]

dont have

[latent moss]

cinema

based

[broken arrow]

I just tried a similar (maybe the same build) and I too enjoyed executing prio targets. It feels good 😄

[latent moss]

but

@manic stirrup i think u need skyfury for that build

honestly

[gaunt owl]

just do pvp fast to craft one easy 😄

[latent moss]

if u want to spam exe on prio targets

[manic stirrup]

how do you play this

like st?

[manic stirrup]

yeah no sks is especially rough

maybe drop fob for sks?

[latent moss]

ngl i dont really know i never really fucked around with slayer.

but i usually cleave op ms cleave sd etc until prio

hits 35

[manic stirrup]

no bloodbourne means sks is kinda beans though

[latent moss]

then i swap to cleaving exe spam

[latent moss]

nah u got critical thinking

u got infinite rage

execute refunds a fuck ton

colo exe just eats ur rage bar

[rocky dune]

So...am I supposed to weave in MS during execute range? Because i feel like I just go full bore execite

[latent moss]

tbf now that i think about it

[rocky dune]

execute*

[latent moss]

colossus needs skyfury even more XD

[latent moss]

without 4p u ms to refresh rend/dw

with 4p its at 2x lethal blows 2x ep

lethal blows is ur 4p

[rocky dune]

ahh

[latent moss]

if u have opportunist and u are below 80 rage u op

if u are below 85 rage sks

[manic stirrup]

ok ill run it see what happens

[vital rune]

Oops. I've been doing 2x EP MS still

Without 4s

[dire hinge]

that'll be a nice dps improvement for you then 🙂

[rocky dune]

How I feel all my fights look

[vital rune]

[dire hinge]

OP is a little low, but yeah execute should dominate with MS/Bladestorm/OP being pretty close

[latent moss]

im not sure how correct my playstyle is but this is how my overall looks like

i need to get better at rend xd

im STILL used to SD applying it for me

cinema

[dire hinge]

oh are you talking about m+? This screenshot seems to be from a raid, right?

[rocky dune]

yea H Ovi...parsed an 80s...

I've been split between tanking and DPS...but my brood arms parse looks pretty similar...

[manic stirrup]

8 isnt high enough of a key for this build

[neon ocean]

Bosses seem like the deciding factor in a lot of these dungeons that people fail, might have to give arms a go at some point

Just been playing fury so far

Although I'm going to pursue the path of least resistance for obtaining gear, the easier dungeons instead of the really annoying ones

[vital rune]

The real war within was the time spent in LFG all along

[latent moss]

yeah

slayer in general sucks in low keys i feel like

for arm

[true sierra]

Hey! I’m using the Slayer M+(Smoother Dmg) build from wowhead , when i switch to Slayer(Raid) build from the same site how does rotation change should i sim and see for myself?

[shadow ibex]

What's the exe again

It's x2 everything right

[fading isle]

big question

on ST Bosses, does it feel this way

[lament star]

What embellishment is arms running?

[fading isle]

bring back 60 whirlwind, bring back big rage expenders

[latent moss]

4p 2x ep 2x lethal blows

0/2p to keep rend and dw up

[shadow ibex]

So in theory could send with 0 MP

[fresh spire]

you never care for MP but most times it sends with 1/2x stacks because of opportunist spending

Rend is mostly stabialised from using ms with the modifiers but its still dps gain to send when its not up

[shadow ibex]

I got 4pc last night and was trying to stack mp before and felt awful

Infinite rage problemos

[quasi torrent]

yes

[fresh spire]

Just send op when opport up and not over 90 rage

If you was low rage pressed execute twice. Got two procs you could send it without any op. Most times it will have 1/2 stacks

Also never opportunist op when you have two stacks full send execute to force tier

[shadow ibex]

Sometimes I would buffed ms exe exe get two resets and just final exe global into ms

It feels weird man

So much rage

[fresh spire]

Praying they rebuff ms so we send on 2xp ignoring set

Surely nerf execute for it but that's what we all want

Likely can play bl in colossus again if they revert it

[undone aurora]

maybe a noob question but I notice most openers for arms have thunderous roar before avatar, why is that if avatar would buff the damage of thunderous roar?

is it for gcd?

[fresh spire]

The on hit damage is very small compared to the gcds that can be buffed in cs/avatar instead

Most of roars damage is the dot

[undone aurora]

ah okay I see, for some reason I thought it buffed the dot too

[fresh spire]

They do buff the dot but snapshotting doesn't exist so it proactively gets amped after

[cedar talon]

should i use bladestorm off cd in m+ regardless of stacks

[fresh spire]

Send it in aoe

[undone aurora]

also I notice that in openers skullsplitter is p far down in the rotation, can someone explain why

I don't know too much abt the nuance of arms

[cedar talon]

if 3 target or less should i hold?

[undone aurora]

would it not be bbetter to do it sooner for faster bleeds or?

[fresh spire]

It's damage is lower than the alternatives above. Early in fight its competitive vs op/ms on damage but not enough to be better.

While in execute range its worse than execute and mostly used for rage gen

Most times you just end up pushing it after ms

In execute just push skull splitter when your rage is around half

[fresh spire]

Nah send it

[shadow ibex]

Sks feels weird in exe

Idk i would rather that button fuck or something than Gen rage

[agile crown]

old sks was better

dopamine of instant consuming dots + rage

[shadow ibex]

Old was clunky having to rend and dw after

New one still has that clunky. I don't like reapplying rend cuz it ticked out faster

[agile crown]

same thing now they just took the internal timing we had away lol

[shadow ibex]

And idec about the rage

[agile crown]

have to actually keep my eyes on rend dot now instead of sks then reapply

[shadow ibex]

I would trade the rage for something else

[teal fossil]

the main problem with old sks is that your next MS isnt benefitting from mastery

which is very cringe

[manic stirrup]

rip demolish crit

normal hit 12m

[astral talon]

Would be nice if the middle talent in slayer tree improved cleave dmg too 😦

Could have like 5mil cleave hit

[manic stirrup]

+9 stonevault

as colossus

[void cradle]

what build for ansurek?

[manic stirrup]

st slayer build

[void cradle]

heard that thanks

couldnt find it anywhere

[thorn pelican]

no bonegrinder eh

[long echo]

colossus poggers

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/914175811580461106/1287784922995490936/image.png?ex=66f2ceab&is=66f17d2b&hm=687423c4c00da45088cc1a41148ffe28dd62c33c9ff2fbe87ff388d28623dac7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

necrotic 9

[neon ocean]

Damn what kind of gear do y'all have

[long echo]

~614

[neon ocean]

I guess I don't need to ask

[long echo]

i think

[manic stirrup]

colossus already does pretty good aoe they lack st

dropping it for massacre is better st

[neon ocean]

I'm hardstuck at 607, haven't done enough 9's to make gilded weapon and haven't been getting gear from the 9s I have done

[tiny mist]

Guys I wanna press execute a lot

Which spec should I play

And does it suck

[manic stirrup]

slayer

no its good

[tiny mist]

Nice

Also I play prot too, is it gonna suck to gear both

[thorn pelican]

same stat prio isnt it

[tiny mist]

haste vers?

[thorn pelican]

crit haste

[manic stirrup]

haste crit for arms and prot

[tiny mist]

ooooh

I learn every day

Appreciate it guys, I'll make some research now 🫡

[warped solstice]

Haste is great for every warrior spec. Think it's second prio on Fury too.

[tiny mist]

Oh, another question

Assuming I play all 3, what embellishments should I craft?

I've seen a lot of people just craft weapons and I'm scared

[stone saffron]

at this point probably wait and see what's in vault

[vernal briar]

is Colossus better than Slayer now?

[tiny mist]

What would be my options?

This character is kinda fresh ngl, probably gonna have to do lots of m+ tomorrow

[manic stirrup]

FOR WHAT

[vernal briar]

ah, my apologies, M+

[manic stirrup]

theyre so close

play which u like more

[vernal briar]

Slayer is nice for smooth brain

like me

[stone saffron]

if youre looking at a fresh char, I'd follow the wowhead guide for what to craft first. https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/bis-gear#embellishments

[minor gust]

Do you get two collatertal stacks when you SS demolish?

nvm I decided not to be lazy and tested it you do

[nova marsh]

Really?

That's interesting

[manic stirrup]

yes

[nova marsh]

I thought it'd be be cast on st casts

[manic stirrup]

ravager and the ms give 0 as expected but give you double demolish stacks

[minor gust]

I assumed you would cuz the first two hits of demolish are sweepable

slowly comin around with colossus a lil. its pretty fun in aoe

but bossing and executing is torture

[astral talon]

Ok how good or how bad is collosus for m+, I see you absolutely pumping, but its far behind on st, isnt it?

[slim hazel]

this Tr is Bis ?

[nova marsh]

Ik colo isn't execute focused but even with skyfur6 it feels bad

Colo in delves is just amazing thou. One shot half the pack

[minor gust]

shouldnt need to be execute focused to not feel like shit to play

[nova marsh]

Exactly

[manic stirrup]

its not great in st

[minor gust]

need to find a way to get critical thinking in the M+ build

[manic stirrup]

but its good

[latent moss]

need to find a way to tell blizzard

to revert MS nerfs

[nova marsh]

Man i kinda umm

[latent moss]

nerf exe to compensate idgaf

[minor gust]

that too

[astral talon]

Its diff builds for st and aoe for slayer too, but in pure m+ boss scenario is it far behind

[latent moss]

all of these exe curses are because ms hits for fuckall

[minor gust]

colossus st without BL and or EB feels like shit

[nova marsh]

I kinda miss bl

[slim hazel]

Did you see this guys ?

[nova marsh]

Colossus with eb and bl high rolls feels amazing

[minor gust]

gear question = sim. its a solid trinket for ST

[manic stirrup]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ufyHNbcArRgYPbjAm3U6Ac

if you play juggernaut slayer

colossus is significantly behind in st

if you dont play juggernaut its behind but not as significantly

[minor gust]

improved SS instead of collateral

[manic stirrup]

oh yeah

that was a cook

doesnt effect st anyways so not important for that sim

[minor gust]

doesnt sound bad with jugg build

feel like you spend less time cleaving anyways

[manic stirrup]

its just worse aoe bc cleave is still spammed

[minor gust]

its back to that weird situation as in DF idk if its better to cleave or start executing when I can with SS

[frosty pike]

change colo hero tree to all have size increases

then i will play it

[minor gust]

when it goes down to like 4 or less targets

[frosty pike]

i want to be 40-50% larger

[manic stirrup]

yeah its the reason i wont really play it in m+

since colossus is close to as good and i like it a lot more

not planning to push keys this season

[minor gust]

Gelly was cookin a jugg colossus build for a bit but looks like hes stopped

[manic stirrup]

wish there was a way to make warbreaker more takeable

its like 10% better than blunt instruments in aoe but you lose 5% st

400k dps in mass aoe and 50k st dps for reference

already losing dps by playing colossus so hard to play warbreaker

[minor gust]

its probably fine if your in a grp thats constantly doing big pulls

but if your taking it 1 pull at a time no way

[verbal marten]

being a weaponsmith my weapon paid for itself with resourefulness procs from doing orders

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-meme-gif-16107418

[manic stirrup]

would need big boss dam other 2 dps

[minor gust]

just gotta play with an arcane and enhance

[remote ledge]

i feel like im doing very low dmg in boss compared to packs, any idea on why ? (most common mistakes in ST)

[tulip garden]

i cba slayer in m+

[rare galleon]

im seeing a bit of colossus at high keys now. Is it better with 4p than slayer?

[manic stirrup]

they are close enough

play what you like

[tulip garden]

colossus has some quirks(demolish is the worst ability ever coded)

[fervent glen]

it feels SO wierd that demolish is a giant aoe thing. Feels like it should do something extra for single target or have a talent to swap it around like CS

[latent moss]

there is

its not as behind as people thought

after sims were redone

on st

gellyfisk is playing a wb/bleed oriented build

[manic stirrup]

i use the same build

he just has mbg

[nova marsh]

Tbh I don't mind not having WB

CS is nice for prio dam

The only place I REALLY want WB is delves to combine with Demolish to like...one shot half a pack

[manic stirrup]

he has 1/2 def tand mbg

+10 stonevault colossus with warbreaker

[clear frigate]

Now show the boss damage

[manic stirrup]

1st and 4th boss

didnt have cds on pull for first boss

i won on 2nd and 3rd boss but those are kinda scuffed for st damage

and more about cd alingments and shit

[lethal acorn]

My Colossus Arms tied in dps with a Slayer Fury

(Last boss also sent me away for execute phase)

[dire hinge]

while not suuper recommended, you can cheese the send-down mechanic temporarily if you are about to kill the boss

[manic stirrup]

reflect die get rezzed

[dire hinge]

the caveat being: you will 100% die after a fixed period of time because the downstairs add doesn't get handled, and the punishment is you will die

[lethal acorn]

Oh damn, thx for info

[dire hinge]

yeah so to do it: you need to time your heroic leap so that the cast to send you down attempts to target you while you're still in the air

the boss gets confused about it and just skips sending you down, but the downstairs add will still spawn and start your death timer since it's not being handled

but if you're at like, 1-4% of the boss's hp left and the timer is tight, it's technically an option

[acoustic island]

arms noob here. not sure if it's been asked, but does Overpower and Execution's Precision stack by chance?

[dire hinge]

They do yes, but you don't take Overpower's buff into account when determinining when to cast your Mortal Strikes

Before execute phase, you're mostly casting Mortal Strike on cooldown (with some exceptions)
During execute phase, it depends on how many pieces of tier you have:

• with no tier or 2 pieces of tier: use Mortal Strike only to reapply Rend if its about to fall off.
• With 4 piece of tier: use Mortal Strike when you have 2 stacks Executioner's Precisionand 2 stacks Lethal Blows (tier bonus)

[teal fossil]

im actually surprised that we consider lethal blows and not MP

since MP is 25%

and 4p is 10% damage and chance

[lethal acorn]

Proof of Colossus

[manic stirrup]

use cleave more

[lethal acorn]

I use arterial bleed for more hybrid damage + ISS since it's tyrannical

[manic stirrup]

what is iss

[teal fossil]

improved sweeping

[lethal acorn]

Improved sweeping strikes

[teal fossil]

you should still press more cleave

[lethal acorn]

Necrotic has a lot of like 4 or less target pulls so it isn't too bad

[teal fossil]

5% is still very low

[lethal acorn]

I don't cleave unless it's like 4+ targets

Tank wasn't pulling too big tbh

[teal fossil]

i think even with your numbers, one against many is better tahn arterial bleed

[lethal acorn]

Hey cleave is 4th if you don't count my DoTs!

[hard kernel]

doesn't cleave also give a free slam

[lethal acorn]

For sure, I just like doing boss damage

[lethal acorn]

For 2 targets yeah

Not nearly as strong as getting 2 might stacks with a crit ms + ss

[nova marsh]

R u also using cleave in like 3 targ instead of slam?

[lethal acorn]

3 targets I think you still prio ms over cleave

[manic stirrup]

yeah idk why youd go bleed

[lethal acorn]

But you can throw in a cleave if you have extra rage to burn

[nova marsh]

Yes

Instead of slam, not MS

[manic stirrup]

cleave is so so so good for colossus

[lethal acorn]

Bosses are dangerous in tyrannical

I'd rather get the boss down

and not go full mob build

I love hybrid

I still went even with a slayer fury meta pick so it can't be too bad

[strange perch]

I’m so confused. The “bleed” build isn’t exactly mega prio dam

[lethal acorn]

bleed is hybrid

one against many is useless against bosses

I don't want all my eggs in one basket, personally

[manic stirrup]

show the build youre using

[strange perch]

This^

[lethal acorn]

You play colossus?

[teal fossil]

Arterial is very minimal against bosses

[manic stirrup]

yes

[teal fossil]

You lose a too much vs trash for the minor gain vs bosses

[lethal acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1287514767782576138/1287531152470704231/mplustalents.png?ex=66f333d3&is=66f1e253&hm=6c7106e49b98e819c8ee0ed5eadefe7b1e76925cfe882f3f8208193144acede7&

[teal fossil]

Sim bleed vs one against many on 3m patchwork

You’ll realize the st gain is minimal

[manic stirrup]

fascinating

[lethal acorn]

Yeah I can sim it, if it's that bad I can always switch

[strange perch]

There are some very curious choices here

But if you’re happy

I’m happy

[lethal acorn]

I'm almost at 2k io friends

I appreciate the advice but not the sarcasm

[strange perch]

I will agree though, colossus is pretty good/fun

[manic stirrup]

its actually not a very big aoe loss at all to go bleed instead of cleave

ill try it

you definitely need to cleave more though

[shadow ibex]

embrace the cleave

more stacks

[manic stirrup]

even with aertial cleave is still insanely big aoe

[shadow ibex]

and it has buff in tree

may as well use the 15% or w/e it gets

[lethal acorn]

tank pulled small I promise

[manic stirrup]

if youre taking aertial bleed you definitely want skullsplitter though

[shadow ibex]

🤢

[strange perch]

Absolutely yes

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-boo-this-man-mad-angry-gif-16849857

[frigid cipher]

we love skullsplitter

[manic stirrup]

even if you dont like skullsplitter

[nova marsh]

Eh SKS is kinda neat

[manic stirrup]

ur taking a bleed talent

[shadow ibex]

ik its good

[nova marsh]

I don't hate it

DF version is superior thou

[lethal acorn]

I like it in raid, not m+

[shadow ibex]

drop the rage gen and haste the CD again like SL/BFA

[manic stirrup]

having to bleed cs sks bleed bleed every 20 seconds was kinda annoying

[shadow ibex]

i think this iteration is better for sure

but ill trade the rage it gives for some other effect any day of the week

[nova marsh]

True but the burst gave dopamine

Idk I guess I'm an addict

[shadow ibex]

i found it hard to like the burst since it didnt work on raz shield until mega late

it was more a sad reminder

obv was useful in other places but the big super mega dmg inc of the tier it didnt

[nova marsh]

I mean my main experience with DF SKS was in S2 during keys

was genuinely dope watching a mob drop like 30%

[manic stirrup]

was very good for totems/adds in bh and vp

[nova marsh]

This too

Could just make them dead

I do know this version is probally better for the rotation and I do get that, but....still won't stop me from being jealous of prot

with their S3 tier literally being sks but it works on roar

[manic stirrup]

fervid bite is gone

[shadow ibex]

fervid bite was so hot

[latent moss]

bring back fervid bite

[wet roost]

Can Test of Might get some love?! I'm testing it and getting +35% Strength buff windows when running with Spiteful Serenity. 26 seconds of Colossus Smash with 12 seconds of Test of Might.

I get an interesting interaction where cooldown reductions on Demolish lines up the second third and fourth casts with the Test of Might Strength buff... and crit for 3.5 million on the raid boss target dummy.

[dense sage]

anyone has a rend tracker weakaura?

[lament star]

does anyone know if the "Delver's Bounty" expire after reset?

[dense sage]

anyone has a sweeping strikers timer weakaura?

sorry im new to warrior, so trying to set up what to track etc

[nova marsh]

ToM got enough love in DF

Also truthfully spiteful still needs tuning to be really worth it

[nova marsh]

most of the arms warrior WA packages on waigo have an SS timer

I'd reccomend just looking up one and choosing whatever one you like best

[vital rune]

Need a talent that gives you DR per bleed up

[nova marsh]

Do we thou

[vital rune]

Mayhaps

[nova marsh]

man if ur struggling as arms to live Idk what to tell ya

Yeah, we aren't fury, but as long as your healer isn't afk off in Narina and you just press your defensives you'll be fine.

Also wouldn't they just rework the DW healing talent for that

[teal fossil]

DR per bleed up

[abstract vale]

nah we need a dmg buff per bleed up

[teal fossil]

so 4% permanent DR and 6% sometimes

[abstract vale]

revel in blood

[teal fossil]

we love aura buffs

[nova marsh]

or

we could just get our avoidance back

[abstract vale]

and they should bake IP into slam

[nova marsh]

that blizz just randomly said "lmao no

[abstract vale]

to make it feel better

Slam spam

[teal fossil]

macro ip into slam

its like the same thing

[nova marsh]

All it'd do is reduce our ability to spend rage

well

that's already in the trash anyways

But at that point just make IP contribute to AM again

[abstract vale]

please

[nova marsh]

Na

That genuinely wasn't a great playstyle

I depise offensive oGCDS in an already fast paced game

[lost thorn]

I am playing WoW again -- where is my whirlwind ability? i havent played since SL lol

[latent moss]

talenting into cleave

replaces it with cleave

[lost thorn]

ty ty

what is the biggest thing I should know about my warrior, given the fact that I completely skipped Dragonflight. Going from a Shadowlands warrior to now, what are some pearls of wisdom? 🙏

[nova marsh]

Use MS a lot, send your stuff on cd, no it won't align well

I'd look at the wowhead page as a good refresher if ur goin arms

Also #dps-faq exists

[fervent glen]

whoa wait we dont do the classic execute--> execute -->mortal strike anymore?? gota wait for tier as well and just basically spam executes?

[nova marsh]

Yeah we kinda just spam exe atm

Until rend is about to fall off

Then we MS

Or, with 4pc, you stack LB (the 4pc buff) to max and then send it with 2x EP 2x LB

But considering most people don't have 4pc in the second week of a tier, I'd worry more about that when you GET the 4pc

[fervent glen]

damn, i loved the classic 1-2 punch of MS every third hit. execute spam time it is i guess

[nova marsh]

It is pretty nice on slayer

Slayer + Skyfury=...you kinda just keep going

AS long as you throw in the occansional OP

I don't recall if we care about Oppertunist in exe

[manic stirrup]

The Dawnbreaker
Addressed an issue where Rasha'nan could parry.

wallahi

[terse osprey]

I hope Colossus can be a more viable option in pve in time

[manic stirrup]

its good in m+

[terse osprey]

I dont really do keys so lol

[manic stirrup]

well thats half of pve

[nova marsh]

EYOPO

this unironically makes me so happy

[teal fossil]

only mevik is back

[dire hinge]

new expansion/season, gotta mix it up

[nova marsh]

I kinda like jt

[teal fossil]

What’s best cov for arms ST?

[nova marsh]

And exe feels decently beefy...now blizz give us the old sfx back

[nova marsh]

Venthyr

🤮

[terse osprey]

Could i still play Colossus in delves and raids?

[nova marsh]

Colossus slaps in delves

It's honestly amazing for it

Raids...I mean most of the raid isn't st but colo is still behind 8% which is really significant if you're aiming for mythic. If not, it probally dosent matter

[terse osprey]

Im not going for mythic maybe up to heroic if anything

[mental moon]

why do we press thunderous roar before avatar and not after?

[manic stirrup]

yes play whatever you like

[manic stirrup]

the initial hit is beans and you want to maximize good glboals hit in avatar

[mental moon]

but avatar isnt on the gdc so you loose nano seconds

oh but im dumb

k cool thanks

[shadow ibex]

cooking colossus m+ builds is the hero spec fantasy

[manic stirrup]

its pretty fun actually

[shadow ibex]

yea ill take it

[shadow ibex]

dude colossu rage tho

[magic canopy]

still no M+ changes :)

[manic stirrup]

m+ changes for what

[minor gust]

there was some bug fixes

but thats it

[silk spade]

minigame

[sharp tendon]

I did raid last night with guild as arms feels like we have less execute dmg if the boss go 35% hp i know with 4 set we need to spam exe with some op and only use mortal strike when we have also 2 stack of tier set. But in s4 u see ur dps rly go up when boss go 35 % hp now its not feels less enjoyable. Prob something to do with test of might lose

[dire hinge]

if you have logs we can certainly take a look over them and help out if you'd like 👍

your execute damage in single target should still increase your dps a bit when 35% hits, we just don't have that bump of Fatal Mark to prop it up. It's more slow burn increase.

[sharp tendon]

Il send logs after Thursday had massive lag yesterday and did not played optimal on hc portal boss and the egg boss i went furry.

[dire hinge]

yee, doesn't have to be perfect, but offer is there if you feel like something is off. Folks in #449510248579858432 are usually happy to help

[zealous hazel]

is there any m+ arms player than i can watch on yt/twitch?

feels like my ST dmg on boss is really2 low

only doin 7-9 keys

[manic stirrup]

https://www.twitch.tv/itzchocotime

just for you pookie

[zealous hazel]

ill follow you sir

[main creek]

Ahoy ! Maybe i'm dumb but i'm reading the wowhead guide and there are 3 sections : execute, multi target and single target. What's the priority list when we're AoEing but the target is in execute phase ?

[mental moon]

are there any good up to date rend weak auras that actually work? cant find good ones

[paper dove]

somebody know a good Plater Profile for M+? i find the Quazil plater too ressource hungry

[small raven]

Hey guys, thoughts on giving up Wild Strikes for Endurance Training? I'm finding that I'm so squishy in keys, hoping swapping for more stamina is worth it.

[astral yarrow]

If you feel squishy in keys, thats mostly a skill issue honestly. Arms warrior defense is more proactive than fury. If you feel 10% stam helps you, you do more dps alive than dead with wild strikes 🤷‍♀️

[paper dove]

Or play Frost DK and have baseline 1 mil more hp

[steep lichen]

[main creek]

Got it ty

[steep lichen]

(Not legal advice)

On a more serious note its probably the same as 2 target but with execute so keep sweeping strikes up and shit

[manic stirrup]

arms isnt squishy you just have to know when youre taking damage and use your buttons ahead of time

[steep lichen]

How do / do you guys have your defensive stance + weaponswap set up when it comes to action bars

[minor gust]

weapon swap

this aint classic

[boreal quartz]

Is this a classic question

[steep lichen]

no

[minor gust]

no you dont swap to a shield to use shield block if thats what your thinking

[boreal quartz]

I dont swap weapons

It's trolling

[steep lichen]

i play a bit of tank too and its nice if im pugging some m+ and tank just pepegas and dies

to be able to just hop in and finish it

instead of just falling over

[cold narwhal]

Anyone tryed this build?

[minor gust]

thats why you have dbts

never a reason to swap to sword and shield in retail

[zealous hazel]

in M+ ST do we press cleave or slam?

for filler

[minor gust]

slam

[zealous hazel]

so in ST cleave is not worth pressing over slam?

[minor gust]

no

[zealous hazel]

aight ty

[steep lichen]

I literally have had reasons to do so but havent had it set up

[boreal quartz]

Untalent eb pls

Dogshit talent

It does actually nothing + you want dn

[halcyon breach]

If you try to tank something the tank died to, you will die instantly

[minor gust]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[cold narwhal]

I screenshoted this from Raiderio at work didn't get to try it myself yet

[minor gust]

putting on a shield will not save you

[boreal quartz]

Dbts will

[minor gust]

yup

you can Dbts and hold the boss while tank gets brez but thats it

[steep lichen]

not not talking about like raid pve here im talking like low m+ keys etc where some bozo tank stands in some avoidable mechanic and boss is on like 60% hp and u got people still up but nobody to tank and keep aggro and shit

looking to keep the boss off my other DPS

[boreal quartz]

It's not prot shieldblock

You still just fuckin die

[halcyon breach]

You can taunt then use DBTS

And hope you can either ress the tank or somehow stay healed

Even low keys will merk you

[steep lichen]

gonna fucking go home after work and tank a +2 or some shit as arms

😡

[halcyon breach]

knock yourself out

[lusty oracle]

Is arms more chill to play than fury?

[minor gust]

I guess

[sharp wyvern]

Slower pace but more keybinds

Except in execute

[lusty oracle]

Does my set bonus change when I change from fury to Arms. Would like to test it.

[minor gust]

can always take powerful enrage as fury and be as slow as arms

[boreal quartz]

Ye

[lusty oracle]

Ty!

[tight igloo]

how is arms doing in m+ compared to fury?

[minor gust]

for the keys you are doing rn just as good

[small raven]

Disingenous to say arms warriors aren't squishy.

[halcyon breach]

Arms isn't squishy

You can live if you know when to press your defensives

[minor gust]

if you think arms is squishy thats a genuine skill issue

[manic stirrup]

arms one of the tankier specs in the game

[daring heron]

arms aint squishy, but if someone asks me on a stream i'll say arms can use a defensive buff

[jade cargo]

hello

[daring heron]

hi old man todu

[manic stirrup]

as you should

[jade cargo]

how u all doing

[daring heron]

i've failed you todu

im the arms hater now

[manic stirrup]

uncommon critcake L

[halcyon breach]

I think even chiche would for once accept it

[wanton sierra]

biggest todu old warrior soul

[jade cargo]

i am diablo manki now

Barbarian manki

[halcyon breach]

[jade cargo]

WWDD - my dust devils hits for over 500m

huge

[halcyon breach]

Chiche incredibly powerful as always

[jade cargo]

cant afford wow - to much time consuming - wife isnt happy

so diablo it is - can off any time

[halcyon breach]

Don't worry wow isn't in a state where you miss out on anything new

Especially not as an Arms warrior

[jade cargo]

nah - i dont miss wow much - more friends in wow

like u

[halcyon breach]

Miss you too Chiche..

[jade cargo]

i am off for now

good talks

[halcyon breach]

🫡

Godspeed Chiche

Good to see you again as always

[brittle pelican]

hi is demolish a fyr'alath 2.0 or it's not that bad?

[halcyon breach]

It's like fyralath but worse arguably

[manic stirrup]

better bc hasted + can leap to readjust

[halcyon breach]

Fyralath was also hasted

[manic stirrup]

was it

idk i didnt have it

unlucky

[halcyon breach]

It got changed a few months in

[astral yarrow]

It got changed a few months in too late

[quasi torrent]

didnt like casting fyralussy every 2min
now i dont like casting it every 40s 🤯

[brittle pelican]

thanks, easiest reroll in my life

[boreal quartz]

Pre buff fyr

was incredibly aids

[manic stirrup]

phil

do u have a 10

am farming declines atm

[astral yarrow]

he is not NA frog kek

[manic stirrup]

wait really

[halcyon breach]

Noober

[manic stirrup]

ew

nvm

[halcyon breach]

I would never farm declines

Despite being well above average ilvl

[astral yarrow]

I get in to all the 7s i apply to

[thick kelp]

Farming declines from +7 arakaras

deadaf

[halcyon breach]

I only apply to 10s

[manic stirrup]

my io is beans

[halcyon breach]

(Hadn't filled vault pov)

That is indeed a jumpscare warning for a lot I think

[astral yarrow]

I just want one of the 1.5min trinkets

the dps dk in guild that only tanks keys got it yesterday

[halcyon breach]

You can get one in the vault tomorrow

[manic stirrup]

i am playing transmitter skarmorak shard on broodtwister

lol

[halcyon breach]

It's called transmitter

[astral yarrow]

so now im all alone in farming it

[boreal quartz]

Eu and 9

Nein rather

[tranquil sundial]

revvez just built different

[forest hearth]

How is transmitter in most scenarios? What kind of “tasks” does it request

[gusty nymph]

3 tasks. Stand in circle, jump 3 times and grab the purple orb

[boreal quartz]

All are fairly easy

[gusty nymph]

Hard to see sometimes in raid

[forest hearth]

Not bad but I’ve definitely had some existing visibility issues on stuff like broodtwister

[minor gust]

The 4th task is actually to send me $20 on paypal

[forest hearth]

Expecting me to have $20 cmon

Everyone knows warriors can’t read or do math

[minor gust]

[forest hearth]

Also for embellishments, is double duskthread still the move or are we at more of a “sim it and see” situation

[astral yarrow]

depends on where your focus lies

ascendance+doubler for progress raiding and double dusk/dawnthread for keys

[tacit crystal]

understatement

[forest hearth]

Ahhhhhhhhhh got it. Sounds like I’ll need to do some shit with my following sparks

[wary mauve]

How to dhow t6

[thin pilot]

Hello guys , is there an addon or weakaura that tells you when to press spell relfect in dungeon or raid ?

[lusty tulip]

#dps-faq macros and auras

[reef glade]

shenhe detected

[fresh tide]

Return my 5% avoidance

it was unjustly stolen from us

[daring heron]

not my fault blizzard ctrl+F'd "avoidance" and nerfed everything they found

[undone aurora]

when i'm doing M+ as fury I usually will pop cd's kinda partially on each pack like not all at the same time e.g. for a medium pack i'd do like rampage into thunderous roar and my rotation, so for the next pack I can do like bladestorm etc.

On arms should I just like pop all my cd's on a pack as the opener and then just keep popping them as they come off cd?

[thick kelp]

cds on cd

[atomic mountain]

well you have just 1min cd max. if you know that you come faster to boss dont pop them. otherwise pop all

[smoky kayak]

its trash

you can play it, but save yourself the headache and just... don't lol

[undone aurora]

would you say this is an arms ting mainly or is this also smth I should be doing on fury too

like is the all cd's on cd mindset more relevant to arms?

[verbal marten]

nah bro i was on bloodhound and the orbwould just go into the pool of blood

i hate this trinket so much

[shadow ibex]

Its bait

[verbal marten]

idk why they have to do all this extra shit its just an annoying ashes clone

just make it like ashes

[smoky kayak]

it does all the extra shit to justify making it stronger than Mark

otherwise it'd be the same trinket

but yeah it's really just not worth the headache; even if you do it right 9/10 times, a 10% failure rate is too much for me

[untold trench]

No context needed. Cancel crit

[fringe moon]

It needs to be even stronger than it is to offset how troublesome it is to use

[tranquil sundial]

we use mark then?

[stray mango]

Why did you put on wowhead as a bis?

[verbal marten]

because it is

its just annoying to use

[stray mango]

But if is not worth it, its not a bis.

[latent moss]

thats not how it works

[thick kelp]

Stop be noob and use it

lol

[latent moss]

cant wait to replace it

farming mark/skarmorak rn

[thick kelp]

Skarmorak better in ovinax

maybe queen too

[forest hearth]

Sacbrood is a better alternative? Or just sims/bloodmallet list order

[random ibex]

do we think arms will just pull ahead on all fights going forward or will fury always have its place as the better aoe?

[fringe moon]

That’s based on the player, not the trinket.

[smoky kayak]

whether or not its worth is a personal determination, which is why I said the failure rate is too much for me

if it weren't listed on the bis, some egghead would be qq'ing that it sims higher, so we'd really be having the same conversation either way

[stray mango]

LoL

Is colossus arms good?

[smoky kayak]

not as good as Slayer

[stray mango]

I asked because this guy is using. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/74032055?mode=detailed&zone=39#metric=playerscore

[fringe moon]

Try it out and see if you like it. Sounds like for your level of play, both colossus and slayer will be suitable

[stray mango]

How many raid bosses have you killed in heroic?

[fringe moon]

Let’s not turn this into a who’s bigger contest please.

[thick kelp]

wäää this guy did that wäää

guide wrong wäää

cant use my own brain wää

[stray mango]

So, you talk about "my level of play" and im the one turn in who's bigger contest?

[stray mango]

I can use my own brain, but i know the guy who write guides know better than me, thats what a good player try to do, he listen to the guy that knows better.

[stray mango]

How using your own brain turn out to you?

[thick kelp]

idk pretty well ig

dont need to ask dumb questions

and did u think that maybe the guy you linked is just trying shit out ?

like experiment and stuff

u are still allowed to do that

[fringe moon]

I suggest you try both hero specs out and see which fits your play style. Nobody else can tell you how to play your character.

[stray mango]

Thats why im asking the guy that do simcrafts what he thinks about it.

[thick kelp]

And Gellyfisk is a guy known for trying his own shitout for builds for past howmany seasons

[smoky kayak]

fwiw, M+ parses mean absolutely nothing; so many variables make it an extremely bad metric for comparison

Also Colossus is competitive enough in multitarget (which is most of what M+ is), it's damage profile is just spikier, which can make it harder to predict, and it has less ST boss damage

[empty minnow]

Im so keen to try colossus in m+ next week tbh

Looks really fun

[smoky kayak]

just because a player is successful using something doesn't mean they were successful because they used that something though - it's extremely likely that Gellyfisk would have seen similar results regardless of what he played

[bronze sand]

what item do we generally want to craft, the bracers or ring?

[empty minnow]

prolly just sim for ur biggest upg

[smoky kayak]

also worth recognizing that although his trash damage is high

his boss damage is not so much

At least some of which could likely be attributed to playing Colossus instead of Slayer; M+ value multitarget more due to a greater abundance of trash than bosses though, so there's nothing inherently wrong with this - it's just an observation

[thick kelp]

Boss dmg downbad on Tyra week

its joever

[livid cloak]

Man being a guide writer must be exhausting

[smoky kayak]

sometimes

[livid cloak]

Sometimes smashing demolish is fun, sometimes hitting execute a lot is fun

Just play what you want

[smoky kayak]

I mean yeah, absolutely

[livid cloak]

Jugg build fun, standard slayer build fun, colossus mbg on trash is fun

[stray mango]

For me, dealing the maximum damage possible is fun. See a dk behind me in graphs is fun.

[smoky kayak]

• it is true to say that Colossus is not generally as good as Slayer
• it is also true to say that a good player with a good group could still be comparatively successful playing Colossus instead of Slayer
  People (in general) love to look at things in completely stark black and white absolutes, but almost everything in life comes with a caveat and various shades of gray; nothing is ever that simple

[livid cloak]

Catch me on colossus this week until 10s

[livid cloak]

Then play colossus mbg

Highest overall dam

About 150 to 200k less st though than jugg

[smoky kayak]

until you get to a boss and then watch your meters drop

[latent moss]

rage feels so bad

as colossus

[smoky kayak]

if you want to be absolute top on the meters all the time, you'd better reroll

[livid cloak]

I Sim over a mil 1t 5 min on jugg, and like 780ish in colossus mbg lol

And execute feels So bad on colossus

You just sit thete

Waiting

[stray mango]

For what, fury got nerfed.

[livid cloak]

Frost dk

Or prot warrior lol

Colossus prot warrior mega dam

[smoky kayak]

Frost DK, Enh Sham

[fringe moon]

Frost DK is crazy. Was double/triple pulling in GB and packs would just get deleted

[narrow dust]

hey does anyone know if this trinket is simming right cause the sockets are not showing right on raidbots

[primal urchin]

I think the bug fix with prim wave sending out tempests is going to do some of the work for enhance

[latent moss]

enh is cinema

[primal urchin]

but they still probably need an additional ST nerf

[latent moss]

bro does 5 mil on a pack

[smoky kayak]

yes, it's just a tooltip issue