arms

[arctic hearth]

ooh i read that wrong

[lethal acorn]

Well it's 20% bs damage on top of all the other bs amp slayer gets

[latent moss]

its split damage

yeah

that talent will always do the same amount of damage

[fringe moon]

Every boss is tyrannical, so…there’s value in Juggernaut

[nova marsh]

Well yeah

I just don't like the feeling of it being "wasted"

[lethal acorn]

No need to run juggernaut in m+ but I do like executioner's precision for colossus in all content

With ravager up you get to execute twice and let ravager proc it

[nova marsh]

EP is great in keys

[lethal acorn]

and you can just @player macro it since the unhinged mortal strikes come from your character, and not the ravager blade

so fire and forget and position well

[latent moss]

yeah cause u are colossus and u cant press execute 3 times in a row without ravager

[lethal acorn]

That's okay, our mortal strikes are more important

ms/demolish are always top 2 damage and then cleave if add heavy

[latent moss]

now imagine if they didnt nerf it by 20% for no reason

hmm today i will gut colossus for no reason

[nova marsh]

Fuck blizzard

[lethal acorn]

Colossus needs maybe one more buff but it's in a good spot I'd say, at least for dungeons, in raids maybe it needs 2 buffs

[nova marsh]

The demolish dream died for no reason

[latent moss]

it needs qol changes

[lethal acorn]

for sure

[nova marsh]

it needs a rework

[latent moss]

remove target requirement from demolish make it a single hit only

[lethal acorn]

you get used to how it works though, it's like playing a dark souls game for the first time

[latent moss]

yeah but i dont want to think about having to use demolish perfectly to do the same amount of damage as slayer

or in this case

less damage

[lethal acorn]

I don't mind doing the same amount

but the damage should be tied

the benefit of colossus is the tankiness

harder to play but more survivable, and tied in damage

[cunning sleet]

Is there a standard weakaura to use that tells you that you should execute? Or do I have to create it? :(

[nova marsh]

That just isn't how blizz balances most things unfortauntely

[latent moss]

tankiness is nice but not required currently in any content

and most likely wont be

arms is very tanky as it is

[lethal acorn]

in m+ it absolutely is

[nova marsh]

also arms is fine in terms of survability

is it fury? NO

[lethal acorn]

and it's enhanced with colossus

[nova marsh]

but it is fine

[latent moss]

maybe at some point once people tart doing 20-22s

but at that point u will just play fury

[lethal acorn]

It's already nice on 7s

[lethal acorn]

ew, never

I like using my brain

[latent moss]

on 7s arms doesnt even take dmg if u play well

u can dstance so much damage for a minimal loss

[lethal acorn]

And I don't wanna play a rogue/warrior hybrid so I'm playing colossus over slayer

[latent moss]

just say it like that then

[lethal acorn]

or you can colossus and rely on less dstancing

[latent moss]

and do less damage

[lethal acorn]

it feels tied to slayer in keys but maybe it's slightly lower?

[nova marsh]

The 10% less damage is very minimal for demolsih honestly

And dosen't feel like a worth while trade off for the clunkiness

[latent moss]

just dont send ur cds in dstance

[lethal acorn]

I just don't like bladestorm in pve, I can't see anything under it

I love ravager and pressing buttons

[nova marsh]

I mean I don't really have that problem

I can see it but that's more with spear imo

[lethal acorn]

I would never play spear, ew

[lethal acorn]

No problems here :)

[nova marsh]

Fair you've played a lot better then me

Cuz I can't even do most keys higher then a 5 cuz of...pu gs

[lethal acorn]

On an ara kara 7 during last boss exe phase I heroic leaped onto a a puddle and the y axis jank got a sludge near boss counted as my sludge so I couldn't interrupt him when the pull was over so I died during exe phase of the boss and we barely timed it with 10 seconds left

[boreal quartz]

no one doin dam wtf

then again i did prot most keys so far xd

[lethal acorn]

Yeah if you don't main arms spec you won't do as well until you put in more time into the spec

Since they change spec rotations often if you aren't caught up

[boreal quartz]

i main dps warrior bro i just suffer through prot keys

[lethal acorn]

Okay but which spec

[arctic hearth]

definetly! playing testing arms last 2 days, dont get to play 8h a day tho, some dungeons it just clicks and i can do pretty damn good. a lot of the time i do worse than fury for sure

[boreal quartz]

dps warrior

aka both

[lethal acorn]

Ah

I just stick to arms

[boreal quartz]

its just war so playing both is reasonable

[arctic hearth]

u making me want to try colossus more 😒

[lethal acorn]

It's fun but playing around demolish takes brain work

[boreal quartz]

not even that

[arctic hearth]

im having problesm with SS/cleave i think

[lethal acorn]

You gotta time and position the right way or you lose all your damage

[boreal quartz]

eh

[arctic hearth]

as slayer

[boreal quartz]

press on cd and its generally fine

[lethal acorn]

Yeah but target can move out before 3rd demolish hit

[nova marsh]

what problems?

[lethal acorn]

or you can die if you time it wrong and are rooted

[boreal quartz]

then you yell at your tank

as god intended

[lethal acorn]

Haha

[arctic hearth]

idk what to prio, guess i need to read rotation guides again :p

[nova marsh]

There's no difference

just hit SS on CD

[boreal quartz]

ss on cd

cleabe on cd

[nova marsh]

And use cleave on cd.

[boreal quartz]

on 2+ targets no ss

[lethal acorn]

You can't always full send demolish and it isn't even bad to hold it for 5-10 extra seconds since your 10 stacks still help

[arctic hearth]

?

[lethal acorn]

You gotta be tactical with demolish often and I love Colossus because of it

[arctic hearth]

Siege +6

I feel cleave should be way higher here

[boreal quartz]

you should prolly not play juggernaut in 6s

but yea

read the prio again

[lethal acorn]

Slayer should take skullsplitter instead of juggernaut for m+

[boreal quartz]

not even

[nova marsh]

I mean techincally evreyone should take SKS instead of juggie

[boreal quartz]

its a choice depending on what you want

[latent moss]

u are never gonna do good in 6s

as arms

[boreal quartz]

that as well

[arctic hearth]

yeah I was playing sks, got linked this and wanted to try

[latent moss]

jugg is the optimal build

[boreal quartz]

sustained aoe spec in a burst world

[nova marsh]

Anything below like....8s

Arms is pure trash for

Shame pugs are trash

[lethal acorn]

Oh because things die too fast

[arctic hearth]

yeah If i BS after SS

its just too late

[boreal quartz]

if you bs the pack is dead

[arctic hearth]

and i have SS next pack anyways

[boreal quartz]

love arms bs

:DDDD

[arctic hearth]

guess I should send BS first the SS exe the ones that dont die

[lethal acorn]

I'm a ravager fan, personally

[arctic hearth]

been considering it :p

[nova marsh]

I like that bladestorm feels like an actual cooldown

[boreal quartz]

colos main upside is not being locked into bs

i dont like arms bs compared to what fury gets

[arctic hearth]

yeah @ me a colo build?

ill test tomorrow

[lethal acorn]

and being tankier and using demolish root to your advanatge to not get knocked back in niche mechanics

[boreal quartz]

if tankiness is your main goal

[lethal acorn]

I can dm you mine

[arctic hearth]

❤️

[boreal quartz]

thane fury actually cannot die

(nor do damage..)

[lethal acorn]

my main goal is to help my healers :)

[lethal acorn]

I don't wanna play fury :(

[latent moss]

well then

[lethal acorn]

I like thane more than slayer though

[latent moss]

do you really want to help ur healers

[lethal acorn]

But I like colossus the most

[latent moss]

if u dont want to play fury

[arctic hearth]

also should get gtfo since BS makes it hard to see 😒

[nova marsh]

I have just become...really aggressive with defensives.

[boreal quartz]

rava is worse for that sadly

[lethal acorn]

Fury is better vs dot damage but Colossus Arms is good for big burst damage mit

[latent moss]

fury is better for both

ip fell off

[lethal acorn]

We're like disc priests

[boreal quartz]

nah

[lethal acorn]

But for ourselves

[latent moss]

thane fury is a lot better at both

[boreal quartz]

its cope

arms is not squishy

but fury is tankier

[lethal acorn]

Well I can't play Thane as Arms, dammit!

[boreal quartz]

and thane is godmode

[nova marsh]

Thane is made for a tank

Thus why prot uses it

[boreal quartz]

it does a lot of dam on tank

but doesnt on fury

[quaint otter]

[quaint otter]

give fury violent outburst

[nova marsh]

So guys

How does one not throw a key

[quaint otter]

Trying to play with friends

[fiery linden]

should i use my thread to get two piece? would be for pants since i got chest in my vault this week

[quaint otter]

(still bad)

[nova marsh]

All my friends hate me

[lethal acorn]

For bricking keys, probably

[nova marsh]

or don't wonna do keys at all

[lethal acorn]

Kidding

[nova marsh]

Or are bad. Or all three

I meanb

I'd say ya ain't wrong but at this point I genuinely consider any bricked key my fault

I am horrid luck

[lethal acorn]

I would say try to pinpoint what you think is wrong with either your mechanics or your damage

[nova marsh]

Bit of both

[lethal acorn]

And try to figure out your stuff for your spec over time

[nova marsh]

And me being greedy as FUCK with DTBS

This week I've had a funny loop of: get key to +5

+5 key fails

because it's either nercro wake or something else awful

Do the 4, that fails. down to a thre e

gets a good group, climbs again, repeat

[boreal quartz]

weird

[dire hinge]

yee, i've been pugging a lot too. It's to be expected.
It's the start of a new season and many folks are likely learning dungeons still. Even if they run a dungeon on a 5 previously, there's a lot of wiggle room for folks to get carried through, or scuff+recover.

[boreal quartz]

depends on key exp a lot

i did painful 10 GB and now the 8 was turbo piss free

[nova marsh]

I honestly don't feel like I should be failing THIS much

[boreal quartz]

are you comfy in the keys

[dire hinge]

bricked a lot of my keys this week where we get all the way to the final boss and someone just goofs something. It happens and isn't surprising

[boreal quartz]

are you SPAMMING the everyloving shit out of IV

[nova marsh]

I gave up on IV because I genuinely forget it even exists as a defensive

[boreal quartz]

thats uh

not good

[dire hinge]

IV owns

[boreal quartz]

get a WA that shows its cd and make it glow at idk 50% HP or less

and youll use it a lot

[arctic hearth]

should I be delaying cleave to buff it with OP?

[nova marsh]

That and I'm a dumbass who just said fuck it and runs with the deep wounds heal

[nova marsh]

no

we do not care about OP stacks

[arctic hearth]

aa i've been doing that :p

[boreal quartz]

only if you have CD

like the LARGE cleave coming

[arctic hearth]

buffed cleave from SS

next pack

[nova marsh]

do u have said weak aura by any chance lol

[arctic hearth]

2x OP prio or just send?

i try to get the ops at the end of last pack i guess

[boreal quartz]

1 sec

[boreal quartz]

can do it while tank gathers as well

[arctic hearth]

yeah

thanks

[nova marsh]

I have made myself a single goal this xpack

I will loose the reputation of a floor tank

[boreal quartz]

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[arctic hearth]

I guess prio MS over OP after cleave also then

[boreal quartz]

@nova marshif you want a defensive stance reminder as we are at it

[distant epoch]

Imagine hitting bladestorm on that wall of text

[arctic hearth]

OP for rage nothing else

[boreal quartz]

nah cleave>op>ms in aoe

[nova marsh]

Bet thanks

[boreal quartz]

OP doesnt generare rage fwiw

[arctic hearth]

yeah but it doesnt spend and u get a melee inbetween mby

but ok, tclap, cleave, send cds - cleave op/cleave

well SS after second cleave then

[latent moss]

xd

funny 10

i wonder what happened there

[boreal quartz]

i do also wonder

[latent moss]

clappa owns

cant wait to blast clappa on ovinax

[boreal quartz]

@latent moss

https://tenor.com/view/rage-comic-like-a-boss-epic-very-epic-cartercodes-gif-1987316027778534164

[latent moss]

true...

[unkempt fern]

guys

i might be stupid

but why are people taking thunder clap on st figts?

fights*

[arctic hearth]

Afaik its 1 less keybind thing

Vminor dps loss

[unkempt fern]

wdym?

[arctic hearth]

Instead of rend

[unkempt fern]

i see

[hexed mortar]

they can take tclap and reinforced plates instead of having to path through pain and gain and shockwave

[arctic hearth]

I have rend on charge macro atm but usually just tclap

[arctic hearth]

Oh true

[unkempt fern]

oh i see

makes sense

[devout pewter]

I love colossus in m+, but why the hell am I constantly out of rage when I'm basically just using overpower, ms and cleave and a sprinkle of clapping most the time

[lethal acorn]

You have to run ravager

I also put one point into critical thinking for rage issues since bosses live for a bit for exe phase

[devout pewter]

I didn't mention the cooldowns because obviously I use those 😄

[lime plank]

is it worth going into Wrecking Throw for shielding bosses like on Court? 🤔

[devout pewter]

it CAN help but is usually not necessary

[lethal acorn]

You get 10% less damage while demolishing, take 5% less damage from any targets you demolished, take 2.5% less damage in general which stacks nicely with stuff like seasoned soldier, spell reflect, and defensive stance and you also get veteran vitality which synergizes well with second wind, colossus is tankier than people think

[vocal gust]

Hey all is there a way to make Hekili stay hidden when not in combat?

[lethal acorn]

And you get die by the sword to offtank for 8 seconds if tank dies and needs a bres but all arms warriors have that

[latent moss]

ARMS OWNS ALL

FIREDUP ABUSER BAN HIM NOW

[lethal acorn]

Hell yeah

[latent moss]

IMFIREDUP MORE LIKE BUGFIREDUP

[lethal acorn]

[minor gust]

[arctic hearth]

Anyone of you arms chads stream or upload m+/raid?✌️

[astral talon]

[nova marsh]

Guys

Do tanks and healers exist?

[random ridge]

what boss ?

[shadow ibex]

You can't execute ever

Or rage disappears

[latent moss]

liquids kyveza kill

[nova marsh]

Oh my god

it's been two days since I hit 100 declines and now I'm almost at 200

I'mma do a social experiment and see if they'll invite fury

[devout pewter]

pumpin' (it's just normal, but I'm still happy)

[devout pewter]

yeah, did another run after writing that and noticed that pretty much all rage is gone as soon as execute is available.. I guess just never exe outside of sudden death then huh?

[nova marsh]

So

Is arms not allowed to play the game lol

man

Look at this

[fossil mantle]

nah, thats always been the case for m+. Unless warrior dps is disgustingly good, you will always struggle for invites

[nova marsh]

basically evrey class

If u aren't hard meta get fucked

Because evrey single pug is a meta slave who can't see anything outside of S tier

[warped solstice]

Lol is that 5x Brawlhalla 2v2 world champion Boomie? 😂

[fossil mantle]

not really, pugs generally look for one of 3 things - cr, bl or ranged

[nova marsh]

That too

[fossil mantle]

and ofcourse big dps if any specs are notorius outliers

[nova marsh]

so basically yeah, arms and all meele can't play the game unless they have CR or lust lol

Reroll angle?

[fossil mantle]

stay strong king, thats part of the being a warrior

if you want to reroll and want something close to a warr, go for frost or retri

[nova marsh]

Honestly at this rate 1k declines is gonna be really really easy

[fossil mantle]

frost is not really that close to be fair but i enjoy it and I play arms

[nova marsh]

Nothing will ever come close to arms for me tbh

I am a filthy one trick at heart

[warped solstice]

Weird not to get invites too, cuz Shockwave with Rumbling Earth soloes the affix this week.

[nova marsh]

Other classes can do that too

[fossil mantle]

True but its not like an AOE dispacement is something too special, altought colossus shockwave is quite tasty

[nova marsh]

Shammy thunderstorm

[fossil mantle]

its only hunters and priests that have a really hard time with the affix

[nova marsh]

True but that's pretty easy to cover

[fossil mantle]

yea fair. Btw any colossus players with the 4 set, is there a noticable difference in ST or its more of the same?

[warped solstice]

Other classes can do it, but often on too long of a CD to do all of the spawns.

But I guess just bring two classes that can do it. 🤷‍♂️

[nova marsh]

Yeah

It's just been really rough. Like several hours between keys feels awful

Cuz I keep getting garbage keys and noone wants to do them....well

tbh they're all P bad, besides stone vault

If ur group can do the mecha boss they're fine

[astral talon]

When you do m+, do you insta pop all cds or roll normal rotation with sweeping strikes to get as many stacks as possible and then hit massive cleave after bladestorm?

[nova marsh]

Just full send

[astral talon]

Would be so nice if we could get that big cleave right away

[manic stirrup]

yes

guy is cracked at wow

[manic stirrup]

run your own key

[warped solstice]

Almost like reaction time and hand eye coordination from other competitive games translate well to competitive WoW. 😂 Wonder what the dodge read is on Ansurek. I bet she dodges in.

[manic stirrup]

a lot about being a good wow player is just having the time

a pretty good amount of people, if they had the time and dedication could be really good

but yeah being a pro in another game certainly means youre good at video games which generally translates between games

obviously not all fps pros fan become moba pros

but general good habits and skills cross over

[nova marsh]

"Run your own key" until that key gets noone signing up and I'm waiting the same amount of time I would be just to get into a bloody group

That will probally fail anyways

So then I go into pugs to try and reroll it and spend 2 hours getting a group anyways

[rapid bronze]

You just have to take the L with shitty pugs and fill vault and get reps

Not all pugs are disasters

[latent moss]

i feel fps skills translate the best

[rapid bronze]

I think people really psyche themselves up into having bad experiences, I pug KSH every season since SL s2 and I always have more good memories than bad

[latent moss]

since fps games are usually very raw skill wise

[nova marsh]

I honestly just feel so far behind

Like I've accepted i'm not getting week 1 myth track lol

Probally not even anything better then T8 delves at this rate

[rapid bronze]

It’s ok if it takes a week longer to get your first myth piece

10s are really fucking hard

[latent moss]

@slender sonnet agrees

[rapid bronze]

We tried to do a 10 SV yesterday and our bear tank was getting annihilated on every pack

[latent moss]

especially grim batol 10

[nova marsh]

10s?

No I can't even get to 5s bro

[latent moss]

pwar clears

[nova marsh]

It's that bad

[rapid bronze]

You’re a warrior you almost never get into groups unless you’re really ahead of the curve rio wise or apply to low rio groups

That’s why you run your own

And take the Ls when they don’t give io

[nova marsh]

And when literally noone signs up for 2 hours straight as well

Like today might be the most failed keys I've ever done in a row

It's insane

[strange perch]

Even when you are ahead Rio wise. I was 3400 last season and already have multiple 10s done. I spent an hour applying to 6s today to kill some time and didn’t get in lmfaooo

Playgroups are BiS. Puglife is tough

[latent moss]

week 1 rio

classic

[nova marsh]

People just see "KSM IS OBTAINABLE WEEK ONE, THUS EVREYONE SHOULD HAVE IT IF THEY'RE APPLYING

[rapid bronze]

I don’t know what to tell you. Wow players are meta slaves. It’s always your own group or you have a guild. But also keep in mind a lot of groups don’t invite high rio people to low keys because they assume they will rage on the first wipe

[nova marsh]

This is big true

But is 1.4k even that high week one?

[latent moss]

the latter happens a lot more than people think

[nova marsh]

I really don't feel like it is

mb 1.3k

[latent moss]

week 1 rio means nothing

[nova marsh]

yes

[latent moss]

most people just farmed their pieces they dont care

[nova marsh]

week 1 RIO just means you no lifed the game if it's high

[rapid bronze]

I’m 2.1k and I don’t feel like I put in that much of an effort. Score exclusively from pugging, only timed dawn and mists on 9, ran lots of keys for 0 io to get 10s and haven’t completed one yet

I pug at the start of the season because I don’t like guild mplus cliques

Lots of sensitive people at the start of a season

[dreamy tiger]

In M+ using an AoE build, what's the thoughts on more single target focus w/ SS for prio target damage in most pulls vs just going for max dps? Or should I just follow the rotation prio list to maximize dps? Not sure what actually makes the key faster.

[nova marsh]

Following rotation prio will probally get shit killed faster

because you'll just hit more things

[nova marsh]

Yeah the salt at the start of a season is real

even in pugs. But I'm more salty of how much siege I've gotten this week

(Literally 6 of my keys have been siegee

[rapid bronze]

Haha I’ve been lucky I got my first 10 from a 9 dawn and the second from an 8 mists but then ended with 10 SV which was cancer

Before that had a terribly painful 8 grim batol

[nova marsh]

Honestly I don't find SV that bad

It's just that third/mecha boss is a clusterfuck

[edgy solstice]

SV is fun

Timer is tight tho. Tanks gotta giga pull hallways

[flint shore]

anyone got links to embellishment sims? kinda like bloodmallet does

[nova marsh]

The giga pulls are honestly fun

Only did it once so far but honestly kinda had a good time

Probally the star of the show dungeon imo

[slender sonnet]

huh

oh ye

it's funny cause

10s are hard

but 9s are easy

explain that

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/fucking-magnets-how-do-they-work-reaction-gif-13351987

[nova marsh]

Dude

I am literally back down to a 2

how downbad can I get

LOl my tank is literally trolling rn

if I get siege of boralus

Once more time this week I'm just gonna log off lol

[quasi torrent]

logging off is the play

[nova marsh]

My vault is filled

It's trash, like it's really bad

Highest key is a 4 lol

[quasi torrent]

??

[nova marsh]

I am extremely dissapointed lol

[manic stirrup]

you’re getting declined to 4s?

[nova marsh]

Dude I can't even get accepted to a +2

At 601 ilvl and 1.3k rating

Lmao

And KSH and KSM throughout all of DF

Which is like....very bare minium stuff

[manic stirrup]

601 is pretty beans

[nova marsh]

Dude it's fucking week 1 and I've had awful luck overall

And made extremely poor choices too (I'm salty about the weapon)\

[mortal rivet]

You can get 603 from bountiful if you haven’t done those

Basically all my gear came from there and 1 drop from heroic raid

[shadow ibex]

do normal

[manic stirrup]

yeah but ppl are 620

some farming flightstones in piss keys

so why invite you at 601

[nova marsh]

Yeah Ik if I'm not max ilvl week 1 I am already Vastly behind

To be fair I also just got a crap roll on time this week and had basically no days to myself until today

Just all work and appointments

Fuck I just wanted to have fun in keys man

[mortal rivet]

Why not just build up your own key?

[nova marsh]

Because I tried already

[opaque citrus]

if you arent already 619 (like me) uninstall (noob)

[nova marsh]

And that's how that went

and yes IK

My gear is complete and under trash so is my IO for all seasons=no invites

[nova marsh]

God if you aren't 630 week 1 wtf are you doing with ur life?

[gilded stump]

Just tank your low keys

[nova marsh]

I am a trash tank

Like really bad

[gilded stump]

Actually all you need is a "good" key like Ara and Grim

And I'm sure someone is gonna sign up for it

People begged for Sacbrood even if I didn't get it it's insane

[gilded stump]

Stop being trash

Do proving grounds I dunno

[nova marsh]

Also I kinda just

Don't wonna tank

Honestly I'm pretty sure for me even KSM is a completely unobtainable goal until the first month of M+

[tough pond]

im 580 soloing t8 delves.

[nova marsh]

Are you fury or prot

[tough pond]

arms

[nova marsh]

How long each? like 20 minutes?

[tough pond]

15 or so

[nova marsh]

how the actual fuck

[gilded stump]

Delves are super easy dude

[nova marsh]

That just

wasn't my experience

[tough pond]

collossus is good for em

[nova marsh]

and evreyone has said "oh 4s and below are super easy)

[old urchin]

They are

The hard part is getting in

[gilded stump]

And getting out

[nova marsh]

Again that just hasn't been my experience when evrey 4 I get has been bricked

Because I got left in the dust by all the halfway decent players

[shadow ibex]

all you have to do is mouse over a shield and right click

and you can go to like 615 in a weekend p chill

[gilded stump]

Arms slayer should be ok for 4s I dunno man just try harder

Join a community for m+

Make some friends and get them to play

[nova marsh]

I do have friends, they're just bad and can't decide on a spec

[tough pond]

colossus all the way in keys nom

[nova marsh]

LIterally goes into the DK discord for them and gets 5 paragraphs of feedback....they reroll to warlock the next day LMAO

also

what's the new flightstone farm post wax destruction

[nova marsh]

Okay demo is actuiially amazing in delves

[manic river]

We should have gotten thane for arms, furys are not even using it 😔

[random ridge]

WE're so back

[manic river]

Are we?

[devout pewter]

i think we are, but aren't

[balmy kindle]

I think if you are melee chances are you need to spam apply or make your own key .

Of course there's the le troll having a prot set and applying to keys as prot but setting loot spec to arms

[nova marsh]

So

What delves actually are EASY?

The abyss one was piss easy

Then I got to spiral weave and there's hearld of zekir that demolish my hp

Through DBTS

facepalm right

I tried it at 9

That was a mistake

[dire hinge]

9s be a big jump from 8s

[nova marsh]

yeah a really big one holy

Colo feels amazing in delves thou

I was really not ready for that

Wow my gear luck is actually horrible

Had two gets, both of which just straight up weren't upgrades

Ig I try my luck with the RNG box of doom

[balmy kindle]

Fungal folly and mycomancer are the easiest

Followed by sinkhole

[nova marsh]

and waterworks sucks

[balmy kindle]

I don't bother with the troublesome delves since it's near reset lmao, but after the nerfs most delves are doable

Most annoying for me is nightfall sanctum tho, mobs come with immunity that needs to be kicked

And there's these mobs that stab you and do tons of damage

[nova marsh]

Yeah the problem in delves is dealing with extremely bursty damage

[balmy kindle]

If you need to just fill your vault, spamming mycomancer or fungal folly is the play imo

[nova marsh]

Fair fair, probally will tomorrow

Just to make it as quick as possible

[balmy kindle]

The mushrooms get melted by the spores

[nova marsh]

The spores do damage to enemies?

EYO

I think I'm an actual idiot for not realizing that

[shadow ibex]

yea it makes the place super easy

[nova marsh]

So essentially

610 before doing keys

[mystic karma]

sooo why is IP trash?

tooltip says 1.5mil

but when i use and look at buff on bar- does 410k

[hazy flower]

up to 1,5mil

not 1,5mil per usage

[mystic karma]

well not like u can spam and stack it up

[shadow ibex]

ya

just leftover nonsense from prot

since prot has no CD on it

[mystic karma]

hmmmm

[shadow ibex]

you could get it to max but would require using it right off CD and not taking any dmg during that time

[mystic karma]

sounds stupid

[nova marsh]

Loot luck is awful atm

2Dumb question

[balmy kindle]

If it's any solace, don't get too caught up in vault luck

[nova marsh]

Is execute being like half your damage on Rasha'nan p normal?

[balmy kindle]

If u do that u will probably quit the season

[nova marsh]

ngl chief

I kinda wonna quit the season already but...

[ornate mountain]

I’m at 6 dungeons without loot

[nova marsh]

That ksm mount and becoming a better player

[ornate mountain]

Starting to lowkey tweak

[balmy kindle]

Unless you have a dedicated guild that's willing to gear you, it's hard to expect loot luck

Otherwise u just rinse and repeat vault hoping for the best

[nova marsh]

This is true but honsetly I haven't had it this bad in a very long time

[balmy kindle]

Bruh it's like why I never play entire expansions lol

[nova marsh]

I mean I usually get what I want out of a season

then go back to playing warframe ffxiv or now space marine 2

[balmy kindle]

Do note some guys here are the 0.1% ( prog to CE).

Good thing though is this expansion you can ignore raiding and still get good gear (need to find time and progress normal)

Also, anniversary event is coming soon so blizz for once may actually keep me in the game for long

[nova marsh]

Oh yeah ik

I'm not a CE person, I just want 3k keys

then I'm done

[balmy kindle]

I tend to just pug slowly to aotc if possible whilst doing m + up to old 15 for KSM lol 😂, too old for guild prog.

Of course playing Arms warrior mAkes this slow as well

[nova marsh]

I usually like guild prog but tbh this is probally the one season I'm not getting AoTC

Cuz I just....forgot to sign up to my guild and they have better warriors anyways

[fading vine]

How do you guys deal with spaghetting your rotations mid-fight when things get hectic

Is it just a matter of memorising and muscle memory

[nova marsh]

Muscle memory

And weak auras

Eventually you'll just remeber evreything and you'll also just learn to deal with chaos as you get better

The best advice I can possibly give is do evreything in your power not to panic

[paper dove]

the skill comes with time, just keep playing

i still cant believe Arms Warriors have like 1 million less hp than Frost dk's, while also having par if not less Def cd's

[fading vine]

Yeah on the more hectic fights like say heroic princess transition or during the laser on bloodbound I find myself panicking a bit and dropping my rotation really hard as I'm adjusting augh, also are parses purely based on DPS and rotation, etc. or does my gear/enchants contribute too

Sorry if these are super basic questions just getting back into actual raiding and stuff after like 10 years

[nova marsh]

we get dumb questions all the time

[paper dove]

Ofc. Gear and Enchants contribute to damage

[nova marsh]

like I said, just keep calm

[fading vine]

Alright coolio, cheers

[nova marsh]

enchants are also ludicriously expensive atm

[fading vine]

Yeah that's been my main issue, especially the t3 ones (god I hate this rarity crafting system so much) so I've been holding back until I get some substantial or at least like hero-track gear before I fully commit to a piece so I'm barely enchanted or gemmed

[nova marsh]

Same

It's just not worth it

Like authority of the deep is bis, sure, but god DAMN is it pricy

[fading vine]

Yeah I've been cheaping out on t2 deep and even that's like 11k gold which makes me die a little on the inside

[untold trench]

Isn't it around 20k gold only?

[nova marsh]

Yeah but like

[fading vine]

I haven't got a hero track weapon yet I've switched weapons like twice in this last week

(Thank you BT for giving me a crit/haste 2h)

[nova marsh]

What happens when I get a better weapon, which early into the season with a shitty champ track one I WILL? that's 20k gold just....wasted for a dps increase that lasted like 3 days

Sure you can just say buy a wow token but I'd rather just not waste the gold in the first place on gamba

[untold trench]

I see it as an investment towards my next weap. But it all depends on goals and timelines. If ya just chillin', slow pushing HC I see no reason to spend the gold. Tho I'd spend it if I went for HoF with like minded people

[fading vine]

Yeah I'm not hardcore enough to want to push beyond like mythic +4 or +6 at the moment even let alone anything beyond heroic raids but we just hit the harder half of HC Nerubar so after this week's vault I was thinking about committing to some enchants and stuff

[nova marsh]

Also just did nexus princcess

Holy fuck even on normal it's dope

[untold trench]

It do be a good fight. HC was a blast. Wish I would experience it on mythic

[nova marsh]

Yeah like what a cool concpet with the portals

and reaper as a mech is dope af

really scary

[fading vine]

The transition phase feels so hectic on HC but I kind of love it, the aesthetic is so cool

And pizza slice mechanics will always remind me of TERA haha

[reef glade]

its funny how max complained about its tuning being cringe you have to 1 tank and no unplanned deaths can happen ever compounded by everyone basically only having 90% hp as if you go under 10 youre dead but like..

they're 17 ilvls below max ilvl

maybe just feels cringe that a non penultimate/endboss is "nigh unkillable" in the first possible week of gearing but it'll kinda be the same thing on last two bosses

prolly gonna need at least 5 more ilvl or some shit

[nova marsh]

Hence why I don't listen to RWF raiders

Yeah shit's gonna be hard week 1

isn't that...the point and fun of RTWF?

[reef glade]

just maybe kinda sunken cost of "if boss didnt get health nerfed then it was absolutely going to be about requiring more gear and might as well not even raid until next weeks reset" but like that wouldnt exactly be exciting or fun to watch or anything

so bosses have to be like on the cusp of killable week 1 but might just kinda feel like a timewaster for it to be that hard that you have to 1tank this week

unless you splitfarm mythic boes like gigachad huoguo heros

[nova marsh]

Normal raid is over at silken court lol

because people are babies.

And I didn't get a single piece of loot....whelp vault is dope

[untold trench]

If the world's best can do the raid week1, then if nothing else - you know you yourself have a chance to kill the bosses in a months time.
If they get slaughtered and can't do it, you know it will be a rough ride

[reef glade]

yea i mean extending myth track was probably a huge help to that kind of thing this xpac

[nova marsh]

I mean you also know mythic will be nerfed

[reef glade]

not to mention i think there'll be some stacking buff later

but like where rwf killed amirdrassil at like 482 or 483 or something and were only 6 ilvls or so under max

they are still 17 ilvl away from max rn and like 90% of the ppl when they hit those bosses are gonna be like 635+

so that alone will make it way easier

tuning wise

then just however complicated mechanics are for "the average joe"

[balmy kindle]

It's week 2 , your average pug ape is still undergeared and Clueless

[reef glade]

like broodtwister egg breaks are probably insane for an avg ce guild

not sure how powerful the weakaura is at assigning but at the very least you need to have someone committed to remarking eggs

and hope they dont mess up

[nova marsh]

This is true

But god damn one wipe groups are annoying

"Oh we wiped, disband time

Is it fine to craft embellishments on boots?

[reef glade]

think boot/belt/bracer same stat budget pieces

[nova marsh]

Perfect

Huge ilvl

[tacit crystal]

hi swordish :3

[reef glade]

can check if u got similar ilvl stuff or just dungeon journal it

ello :]

[nova marsh]

My luck is trash and I'm srtill using weather crest crafted gear

[tacit crystal]

im going to do a demonic 7 hours of gb into > breakfast > 9 am class

see you in 9

[reef glade]

[balmy kindle]

I blame boosting being a thing

[manic stirrup]

theyre also almost 2 ilvls below a chinese guild

1.7

[reef glade]

ya

they splitfarmed mythic boes

[balmy kindle]

If you check up market rates and you are some high income earner, it's no brainer to just pay

[manic stirrup]

yeah definitely suspect

[balmy kindle]

RWF Chinese guild probably has the entire realm behind them supporting knowing how Chinese works

[manic stirrup]

they are completely smurfing though

they have been known to do shifts on accounts

to play 24 hours a day

[nova marsh]

I'm confused

Oh wait china isn't in DF

[manic stirrup]

idk if they have done that this tier/super recently

[nova marsh]

That's classic nvm

[teal fossil]

the reward for getting RWF in china is insane rn

i think

137k+27k per tier

life changing money

though 137k/40 people isnt really that much

[reef glade]

40?

sheesh

[teal fossil]

Well think about it

20 raiders

Then you have people helping on backend

Then maybe the people who run m+ when the main raiders are asleep

So there’s at least 10 extra in the background+more

[gaunt owl]

Chinese quantity over quality

They have no shot at getting 1st place til they get gud

[manic stirrup]

they are too incosistent

[latent moss]

its funny cause it was a funny key 10 grim batol with godcomp

prot needs a healer more than clappa

[boreal quartz]

Good key

[edgy solstice]

need more grimmy bs

[latent moss]

mf was complaining about taking damage from mega enraged enforcers

other tanks would get overkilled by 2x their max hp

his shield is also turbo ass

[fossil thistle]

How it feels to be in a guild lately

[solemn sundial]

Question is arms better than fury in mythic +?

Or about the same or worse ?

Does anyone knows ?

[fossil thistle]

play game hit with stick enjoy what you like

[brisk slate]

Wouldn't fury have two big sticks to hit things with?

[fading vine]

Why use two stick when one stick do trick

[brisk slate]

Endorphins

[fossil thistle]

Egg sack lee.

Big stick do big trick

[fading vine]

Also lowkey I hate having to maintain two weapons not gonna lie

#lazy

[brisk slate]

More big stick do more trick though

[fading vine]

And the sound of mortal strike/execute spam has been seared into my smooth, wrinkleless brain at this point

But yes jokes aside play whatever you like really

I find arms' playstyle to be more comfy so I go with it

[brisk slate]

Play what you want, one or two big sticks.

On a purely theoretical basis, Arms has more sustained and execute damage, Fury is burstier in general.

[balmy kindle]

That and the pride of 華夏民族 is very real too, if I am not wrong there's quite alot of foreign guilds competing as well in the Chinese RWF

[boreal quartz]

Is there chinese coverage of the race on their twitch equivalent?

[fading vine]

Oh is that what 華夏民族 is wow I'm a failure to my people

[balmy kindle]

I think u can try bilibili

[balmy kindle]

Chinese guilds are notoriously very sweaty on our servers, so it's probably better to not be associated that way 😜 ( I am ethnic Chinese too)

[latent moss]

bilibili clears twitch

[brisk frost]

Has anyone tried Colossus in m+ after the buffs?

[latent moss]

what buffs

[fading vine]

(Yeah not too big a fan either hahahaha)

[balmy kindle]

More on demand burst aoe but I find slayer spamming reap the storm being more consistent

[fading vine]

I haven't actually tried colossus how does it play?

[balmy kindle]

Like been running a cooked build using EB and battlelord on m+

[latent moss]

hooly

main issue with colossus

is that st is ass

[brisk slate]

You build Colossal Might and press Demolish for big dam.

[balmy kindle]

Then go back to stacking

[brisk frost]

These ones

[latent moss]

yeah ik

they are just tiny

they will never close the gap

slayer fucks on st way too hard

[brisk frost]

Damm, I was wishing these would make it closer to Slayer. Now it seems that neither Prot or Arms arent playing Colossus in any scenario 😦

[balmy kindle]

Maybe if they massively buff MS, but then slayer will be strong too

They need to make MS and cleave do something different on colo

[latent moss]

colossus ms is infinitely bigger than slayer which is cool but its not enough

[balmy kindle]

Yeah 20% is not enough

[latent moss]

prot can play colossus to cosplay as a dps

sucks defensively but owns offensively

[brisk frost]

Haha, I have to try it out like that xd

[latent moss]

does a lot of dam

[brisk frost]

I was testing Colossus on heroics before the season, dmg was quite in the same level with slayer but single target was slacking so much. I havent tested it now in m+

[quick vale]

do the colossus changes on PTR make it viable yet?

[brisk frost]

And cd management feels horrible with Colossus, Avatar or something should add Colossus Might stacks or something

[latent moss]

i was talking about prot not arms

[latent moss]

always has been viable

[quick vale]

wasn't it like 5% behind slayer for raid and m+?

[latent moss]

define viable

its ahead in aoe but significantly behind on st

[thorn pelican]

highest rated m+ arms is colossus for what its worth

[quick vale]

yeah I just saw

[latent moss]

means nothing

week 1 m+

[brisk frost]

Does Arms Colossus play Ravager or BS in m+? Especially with the BS nerfs?

[latent moss]

ravager

bs is dogshit

compared to ravager

especially arms bs

[thorn pelican]

ravager feels less shit cuz u can stack it with sweep

and not

be trolling

pumping out sweep cleaves with ravager down kinda nice

[latent moss]

blunt instruments is so clunky

its crazy

[boreal quartz]

Yea but you shall not aoe

Also if you had wb youd do tank st

Lmao

[latent moss]

peak

[thorn pelican]

yeah it really comes down to what ur pulling and what kinda st ur group needs id think

[latent moss]

buff clappa

[boreal quartz]

🎦

[quick vale]

pretty sure BS only gets picked if you're Slayer

[latent moss]

ye cause u have to xd

[teal fossil]

Yeah there is

They weren’t streaming couple hours back

[arctic hearth]

Anyone playing ravager as slayer ? M+

[balmy kindle]

Colo needs to have ms be aoe as well or something, makes no sense that procing reap by spamming ms and cleave is more aoe dmg than lining up demo

[balmy kindle]

If I am not wrong the talents don't work with ravager

[fading vine]

Yeah that's been my biggest beef with slayer :v

I hate being locked into bladestorm

[astral talon]

Wait do we play ravager wirh slayer too?

[fading vine]

I didn't think we could, the talents work specifically with bladestorm don't they

[balmy kindle]

They only work with bladestorm

[fading vine]

U g h

I kind of miss DF arms not gonna lie

For all of the month or so I got to enjoy it

[arctic hearth]

Aaa ic ty

[balmy kindle]

DF arms was ok ( I played season 2) but iirc mortal strike hit like a wet noodle

But battlelord was good so didn't matter mortal strike hit kind of meh

[fading vine]

Ah it was chonking pretty hard by season 4 but then I have nothing to actually compare it off, last time I played before I came back during the last month of DF was half of Shadowlands, and I was prot

[astral yarrow]

MS was optimally dropped outside fully buffed during S3

S4 had the S1 set come back, which had MS synergy, so it became a good button again

or, good is an overstatement, but ya know

[fading vine]

Oooh no wonder wow

[balmy kindle]

Lol so did you guys press slam during s3

Fully buffed, so this probably means the filler is either slam or sos whirlwind

[fading vine]

:3

[astral yarrow]

Yes. Rather press Slam if CF talented than Rend that doesnt need refreshing

[fading vine]

Thank god that wasn't bnet or anything important anyway

[astral yarrow]

:3

[fading vine]

Shhhh

[balmy kindle]

thank god I didn't play that season, must have been pain

[astral yarrow]

Who cares whether you press Rend, TC or Slam as your filler?

I never got that outside the ease of applying Rend in aoe

what you missed out on was pressing Ignore Pain as a dps gain

[balmy kindle]

Ah it was a thing in S2 too

Stacking TOM with ignore pain

[astral yarrow]

Yeah was changed in 10.2 i think

[balmy kindle]

Just never liked pressing slam outside of the crushing assault thingy we had last time

That was cringe as well tho

Omg it procced ! Time to hit slam

[astral yarrow]

there were no procs that made slam better

CF just made it generally a little better with higher crit chance and crit damage

but if you multiplay bad by a million

its still bad

[unborn oak]

What m+ talent build would you guys suggest. I played colossus for the last weeks, st feels bad. wowhead suggests slayer, raider.io says colossus.

[scarlet spade]

hi there is a ot of talk, can not back read. so arms warrior 4 set better than fury?

[balmy kindle]

Better but not much really it's like 2-3 %

[safe jay]

Slayer is great imo

[safe jay]

CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYmZMjZmZmFLLLjZAAAAYw0wMDLDzAjlxMzgZGGz4BYGGAAAAAAAMjZZMGgtAjltBWADYGmQGgN that one feels great

i think its the same as wowhead but not sure

[balmy kindle]

Been testing out on my m+ runs (2-3, progging to 4) , EB and battlelord seems to slap very hard on aoe due to the amount of cleave and Ms you can put out, which leads to tons of reap procs.

And because you are slayer , your ST is not that bad either.

I still take sks, but remove the bleed nodes and mbg for fervour , battlelord and EB

[astral yarrow]

EB is kinda wasted when you want to press cleave anyway

MS just not that good

[balmy kindle]

Maybe so, but it's pretty dank when I keep getting the reset, helps to get in more aoe

[astral yarrow]

It feels good, but it sadly isnt comparatively

[balmy kindle]

True, but it really feels bad to hit OP on aoe tho

Not procing reap the storm feels bad

[astral yarrow]

cleave procs reap 🤷‍♀️

[balmy kindle]

It's 4.5 s cd tho

[astral yarrow]

OP is just a button to press to make your relevant buttons do more dam

So is MS

[teal fossil]

Battlelord can do something but eb is just bad

[balmy kindle]

I just hate those moments when u spend Ur opp OP and cleave and MS is still down

Like in m+ it's pretty annoying

[astral yarrow]

press TC

[teal fossil]

Op gives more damage to cleave than a reap proc

[arctic hearth]

^

[teal fossil]

On average

[arctic hearth]

I usually fill with tc at that point

[teal fossil]

So just press op bruh

And yeah press tc

You need to refresh bleed at some point

May as well be rn

[fossil thistle]

Anyone able to track relentless pursuit CD properly with a weakaura 😐 I can't seem to get it working on my own lmao

[astral yarrow]

you'll most likely have to do a timer start with a succesful charge cast as the trigger

[fossil thistle]

ty

[cloud gyro]

i dropped skullsplitter for battlelord in 10s

i dont think u can play both exhilarating blows and battlelord (it feels weird)

but eb isnt bad when u reach sustained aoe - problem is no boss value

i played with sham in grp tho, so maybe skullsplitter has more value if you dont have skyfury

[astral yarrow]

im very confused how you drop SKS for BL

[minor gust]

hes breaking the system

[astral yarrow]

you can drop SKS for EB though, which is correct, its more sustained aoe

[cloud gyro]

im playing 2x bloodborne 2x deft

[steep lichen]

😠

[cloud gyro]

I had the same thing happen

[steep lichen]

dont know if i can even slam more haste on my stuff

might need to bite the bullet and put sockets on my rings

[cloud gyro]

There was something causing it, but i never figured out what

At some point it just said "ok u dont need haste anymore"

It was not: tier set, trinkets, secondary distributions

[steep lichen]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/drj3a61b822f5vDGhtVraF

i can slam more haste in rings with sockets i guess, but feel like mastery and versa should start being more valuable at this point

but haste > strength?

[cloud gyro]

I had the same thing yeah, I never found out why it happened

[astral yarrow]

are you not playing Sharpen or EP and then talking about EB being a net 0 in ST

[cloud gyro]

I dont understand what ur saying

[astral yarrow]

im mainly asking what cooked build you are bringing to keys if you are talking about dropping SKS for BL and EB being 0 in ST

[cloud gyro]

im not playing EB

CcEAmidFBOBFf5oKuZ7r/WeW7AYYGzMjZMzsZbZZMDAAAADmGGDLDzAjlxMzgZGGz4BYGGAAAAAAAMjZZMGgtYYssNwCYAzwEyghN

swapping warbreaker/blunt depending on dungeon

[astral yarrow]

ah no massacre

now i get where you find the points lol

[slender sonnet]

yes

funny

[plucky fern]

does colossus really not want haste or is that just some wierd results with my gear

i have like 15% haste right now

[thick kelp]

Colossus is big fan of crit and mastery

It really banks on demolish critting

[fast forge]

Im seeing warriors not use transmitter for the ST bosses as arms, any reason why i thought transmitter was bis?

[steep lichen]

can u link ur entire sim im interested

[minor gust]

its the second week man

[steep lichen]

cause mine is fucked but the other way around

[minor gust]

not everyone has transmitter

[plucky fern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4CfvNvgZSjnqR1eM2UAtN7

[steep lichen]

jesus christ 1.42

[plucky fern]

its dungeonslice

[thick kelp]

Dslice

[steep lichen]

o

[plucky fern]

yeah im simming gearset for m+

for st its simple play slayer stack haste crit

[halcyon breach]

Why is there a sudden influx of stat weight sims

[sacred zodiac]

i need stat weights NOW!

[steep lichen]

stat weights are WONKY

[sacred zodiac]

im simming mine NOW!

[mild sierra]

give me back prime pawn

[steep lichen]

im at the point where i dont know if maybe X amount of mastery or versa might be better overall than same amount of haste

or crit

but my stat weights got haste above strength atm so idk

🤷🏻‍♂️

[sacred zodiac]

i remember when i used pawn

[halcyon breach]

Chief I think you should juts go sim droptimiser/top gear then go with that

And don't think more about stats

[minor gust]

Stat weights is useless information

[sacred zodiac]

how are you seeing three people making fun of stat weight sims and deciding to continue thinking stat weight sims are a good source of information

[minor gust]

Theres a reason why it's not front in center anymore on raidbots

[plucky fern]

i know its kinda useless, i already simmed droptimizer and was interested why all the crit gear sims best

[steep lichen]

im not saying its a good source of information im genuinely curious as to why its not kinda

[plucky fern]

ran stat weights out of curiocity

[steep lichen]

even as an extreme rough estimate it seems absolutely worthless

[sacred zodiac]

it's certainly good at what it does

give rough ideas of trends of your current character stats? just that this is quite literally useless

[sacred zodiac]

also the blue read more link in the yellow text (i know hard not to ignore) gives a decent writeup

[steep lichen]

im blue yellow colorblind so i cant see any of that shit

[sacred zodiac]

is that a real thing?

guys wtf does this stat weight sim mean??? should i drop all mastery for strenght??? ?WT F??

[halcyon breach]

I think you should drop all your secondaries and strength for more weapon dps

[sacred zodiac]

true

[steep lichen]

:DDDDDD

[astral yarrow]

i really need reaction privilege whenever this is used

[random ridge]

Guys are we back forreal ?

[sacred zodiac]

nah we're not back sorry

[astral yarrow]

https://wago.io/lu9t_GpAh

[sacred zodiac]

?

[random ridge]

Holy

[sacred zodiac]

ok but why do you have that

[astral yarrow]

i dont

i was just reminded

[random ridge]

Thats bis

[sacred zodiac]

you have that on hand

that is mighty suspicious

emergency meeting

[icy mulch]

Maybe it's not worth asking that.

[icy mulch]

Just saying, some people are just strange.

[astral yarrow]

some would say on foot

[gusty oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/xalatath-xal'atath-feet-wow-world-of-warcraft-gif-17385860347846332910

[steep lichen]

I guess what im trying to do is just be mindful of if the value of something changes a lot in relation to my other secondaries. Im generally not gonna sim every single piece of gear that looks like a sidegrade at best, but i might if i know that mastery is worth a lot more on my stat weights than crit f.ex. when i get a haste mastery piece and i have a crit haste piece f.ex.

[astral yarrow]

too much think

do less think

and let robot think

[steep lichen]

let robot think but think about what make robot think about 🤔

[halcyon breach]

Long story short, as Aagaard said, let robot think

But cheatcode as Arms is that it can use any stat

It just typically prefers crit=haste ish

[gusty oxide]

Yeah, Arms, you take highest ilvl, and you will most likely be fine, you finetune your stats around max ilvl

[halcyon breach]

Though they are all incredibly close to each other in value that unless you have an insane deficit in one singular stat, you're fine with whatever you use

[steep lichen]

when i played other classes back in other expansions you would often get to a point where you suddently value a stat less because at X stat value Y stat value becomes more dps per stat etc

[gusty oxide]

And finetuning at max ilvl usualy means upgrading versatility quite a bit

[icy mulch]

@steep lichen you're going to run into the problem where it will flip flop really easily when it comes to stats. So the "stat weight" will be impossible to tell.

[steep lichen]

i mean my versa and mastery is very low

and im running cursed haste

[halcyon breach]

Yeah, and then you'd just go do a droptimiser for dungeons

One piece of jewelry can fix a lot when it comes to stats

Grim Batol for example is a good dungeon to sim if you don't have premium

Or Dawnbreaker

[gusty oxide]

What trinkets are you using Spotz?

[astral yarrow]

try adding together the secondary stats on bracers versus neck

[halcyon breach]

I will not!! I hate math!!

[steep lichen]

meathook/mark of khadros + arakara

[halcyon breach]

Use Khardros

[astral yarrow]

reeeeeeeeeeee

[steep lichen]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1nqCvsYxQc8ewkNwxWu172

[halcyon breach]

Meathook is dookie

[astral yarrow]

i vote we call it shard, mark and ara ara

[gusty oxide]

Khardros will boost your mastery quite a bit

And call it shard yeah 😄

[halcyon breach]

I vote we call it dn

[astral yarrow]

whats dn

[halcyon breach]

dreadnaught

[astral yarrow]

tier 3 or the talent

[halcyon breach]

X1 and X2 = 1

idk how to do math hate math

[sacred zodiac]

So weird walking in a WARRIOR discord and seeing stupid ppl like @sacred zodiac defending the nerfs. Did i sub to the wrong server? Wtf

[astral yarrow]

hate 🧽

bro that looks like a peanut

🥜

[sacred zodiac]

@daring flicker

🥜

🥜

[daring flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/jueuntro-gif-16919024437599619479

[steep lichen]

did some droptimizers and all the biggest upgrades are mostly pieces with mastery on it

so i guess more mastery = more gooder right now

[boreal quartz]

Doesnt mean anything

Just aquire the items

All stats are good

[steep lichen]

:(

[boreal quartz]

(mastery is fun to have..)

I love morbillion damage crits

[minor gust]

We love our secondary stats

[steep lichen]

i guess the current secondary stat priority is more secondary stats = more gooder

[halcyon breach]

That is what we've been trying to tell you for a while

[steep lichen]

but but but

[gusty oxide]

😄

[steep lichen]

muh inter-ilvl sidegrade without simming every item

[gusty oxide]

Only matters on Myth track gear

before that, just slap highest ilvl

[boreal quartz]

Yea

[steep lichen]

at least i get 4pc next week

[boreal quartz]

At some times one stat beats another but then you just sim

We dont have this get to idk 78% haste then dump into crit

Just all of everything and we cool

[steep lichen]

[arctic hearth]

Colossus wants a bit more crit tho?

[boreal quartz]

No one wants colossus tho

So what's the point